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bigbarada
06-13-2002, 09:25 AM
Just watched the movie again yesterday and noticed something puzzling that I never thought about before. While Obi-Wan is snooping around on Geonosis he gets within 20-50 feet of Count Dooku twice! Once in the hallway and once while spying above the conference room, where he is actually within line of sight of Dooku!

Now seeing as how Vader sensed Obi-Wan's presence on the Death Star and Luke's on Endor; do you think Dooku sensed Obi-Wan on Geonosis and just kept quiet about it? Or did he just not sense him at all?

lunchymeatball
06-13-2002, 09:36 AM
Maybe in his arrogance (which all dark lords tend to have) 1 Jedi was not anything to worry about especially since he (Dooku) thought that he was more than a match for Yoda.
I just think that we werent meant to notice it as Obi Wan needed a reason to contact coruscant.

Jonna
06-13-2002, 09:43 AM
I don't know........I think that it was just another inconsistancy in any sort of logic that it might have. I think that Dooku would have been able to sense him (in reality), but perhaps that just did not work as well in George's vision.

Jedi Clint
06-13-2002, 10:07 AM
He may have sensed a tremor in the force created by Kenobi, but as their "paths have never crossed before" he might not have known what or who he was sensing.

bigbarada
06-13-2002, 10:22 AM
I had thought about posting it in the "illogical moments" thread; but decided that it wasn't so much an 'illogical' issue as a 'more going on than we're led to believe' issue.

Who knows, maybe Dooku sensed a Jedi presence and used the Force to guide the Geonosians to discover him? Then played ignorant to help convince Obi-Wan to join him. Them Sith are shifty, they is.:)

lunchymeatball
06-13-2002, 10:26 AM
Maybe you're right BB, but I think Dooku will prove to be a cool customer in EP3:evil:

Darkross
06-13-2002, 10:34 AM
Originally posted by bigbarada
I had thought about posting it in the "illogical moments" thread; but decided that it wasn't so much an 'illogical' issue as a 'more going on than we're led to believe' issue.

Who knows, maybe Dooku sensed a Jedi presence and used the Force to guide the Geonosians to discover him? Then played ignorant to help convince Obi-Wan to join him. Them Sith are shifty, they is.:)

Perhaps...since had he attacked Obi-Wan then he certainly would never be able to convince Obi-Wan of his plan. Dooku knew this and knew that Obi-Wan was there. You don't see Dooku asking Obi-Wan for his name anytime. Obi-Wan knew who Dooku was and thus perhaps Dooku knew of Obi-Wan through Yoda.

Dooku: "You disappoint me Obi-Wan...Yoda spoke so highly of you!"

lunchymeatball
06-13-2002, 10:37 AM
Good point Darkross, to expose Obi would have admitted alliegance to the bad guys.

DeadEye
06-13-2002, 11:13 AM
Maybe he did sense him, and that's why the Geonosian was spying on Obi-Wan and the Jedi Starfighter. How else would the droidekas have found him if Dooku hadn't told them to look?

MikeAndTheBots
06-13-2002, 02:38 PM
I don't think he sensed him. He was too pre-occupied with making deals and such. When Vader senses him on the DS he's just kind of walking around (i think, I haven't seen ANH in a while) plus, sensing a jedi would be easier for vader since there were so few of them (ok two) and it would seem odd. You also can't be one's apprentice for years and not know their (for lack of a better word) "aura".

DeadEye
06-13-2002, 03:11 PM
Perhaps you're right.

darthvyn
06-13-2002, 04:23 PM
i think it doesn't matter whether he sensed him or not, seeing as though if obi-wan hadn't gone to geonosis and been captured, the jedi would not have used the clones to rescue him, as sidious had planned ("everything is going according to plan") so, he probably DID sense him, but didn't do anything, because he needed the jedi to know about what was going on, so they would use the clones. that was a long sentence.

saladin
06-14-2002, 07:03 PM
Since this was part of palpy's plan, the war, maybe he had to wait for the right time, or he didn't want to scare the leaders of the guilds off from allighing with him.

JediTricks
06-15-2002, 04:19 AM
I still don't think Force-users can sense other Force-users unless they have some sort of familiarity. The Emperor didn't sense Luke's presence on Endor when Vader did, Qui-Gon didn't sense Maul on Tatooine (he turned towards Ani and saw Maul bearing down on them), nor did Qui-Gon or Obi-Wan sense Maul when he appeared on Naboo. And none of the Jedi sensed Palpatine at Qui-Gon's funeral or on the landing pad or the many other places they've been standing next to him.

MasterYoda
06-15-2002, 02:12 PM
I think Dooku felt the presence of Obi-Wan, but I also think he knew he was already coming. Again this all seems to fit into Palpatine's plan. Dooku had to be discovered so the Clone Army could be justified when the fighting began. Dooku on the other hand saw no reason to acknowledge the presence of Obi-Wan. I am sure if he would have said something it would have scared the Neimoidians out of the Allegiance with the Separatists. (Remember is was the Jedi that screwed them up in TPM.)

As far as being able to sense other Jedi. Yes I think familiarity has something to do with it, but the Sith are yet a different story. For thousands of years the Sith have roamed biding their time for the right moment to strike. Of course they have perfected the ability to hide themselves for other Force users. Hide or Die you know my choice.

Yoda makes several comments in AOTC that the Sith make the Force cloudy this also may be why some cannot feel the presence of other Jedi. Who Knows?

jawaboy
06-15-2002, 03:03 PM
I'm not sure they can always sense people with the Force all out of whack. Even Yoda can't sense things, even with Palpy sitting in front of him.

MikeAndTheBots
06-15-2002, 05:08 PM
Originally posted by jawaboy
I'm not sure they can always sense people with the Force all out of whack. Even Yoda can't sense things, even with Palpy sitting in front of him.
But then again, Palpy has to have something, maybe some magic crystal or a little magical frog that makes his force-ness dissapear to others. There's no way the entire council could be in his room and not know that he is strong with the force. It'd actually be funny if I was right...

MasterYoda
06-15-2002, 11:21 PM
It would be kinda of funny if you were right, but I have read in books of Jedi healing, calming and sense enhancing skills things we have never seen in the movies. What if there is a Jedi cloaking ability (making ones self hidden in the force) that we don't know about?