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LadySith
06-21-2002, 10:31 PM
Seems the place Hasbro *really* stinks on their 12" is the females. I can't think of a single one that's worth a darn. And the prototypes of Zam make me think that she'll be the worst yet.

The annoying thing is that they have a perfectly good 12" female body in the GI Jane, but they hardly use it!

The best female bodies out there are the 12" Dragon female (ala Danger Girl) and (perhaps better) Cy-Girl "Perfect" body, which even has interchangeable breasts! Yes, I mean you can alternate between the "whoa" size and the "Ohmighod" size. And she even has nipples!

Tycho
06-22-2002, 07:02 AM
Let's not take this thread down the wrong road (without my help, at least). :D

Actually, the figure Lady Sith is speaking of actually is customizeable as she described. I've seen it in the Entertainment Earth category.

I somehow doubt Hasbro is going to do this though:

Count Dooku with Lightsaber!
SuperBattleDroid with Blaster Cannons!
Padme Amidala with Nipples!

No, it just does work right. But let's quit while we're ahead now. This is a family site and families with morals all agree they should keep far away from my influence. Let's not discuss every female figure detail to this degree any further (yes I've seen the Playboy dolls...:rolleyes: )

Back to Star Wars women figures, they're not THAT bad.

Leia ANH was cool if you got one with her hair done right.
Leia Hoth was a good body.
Leia Boussh Disguise was awesome, and I do like her hair and face.

I like FAO Schwartz Slave Leia and R2 best. The lack of articulation actually helped her look more real since she was less clothed and every joint would otherwise show.

As to the Fashion Figures, I haven't opened these, but it is the costumes (and the stands included) that I appreciate of these:

Leia Ceremony is cool
Padme purple "Return to Naboo" rocks!
The Red Senate Gown is elegant.
The black travel decoy looks alright.

Her Battle of Naboo 2-pack (with Qui-Gon figure) looks great. Haven't opened that either.

The Beautiful Braids (Tatooine) one is good enough for me and she looks very nice.

Theed Throne and especially Sabe "Ultimate Hair" did not need to be barbie dolls. Especially Sabe (with NO blaster!) Too bad they were marketed as girls' toys instead of gender neutral. She might've had the gun then.

Now Aurra Sing had NO reason to be a barbie doll. That was a big mistake! She has to be an action figure!

The Padme Handmaiden could have been as well.


Guess that's it. What do you all think?

I'm hoping they don't use a barbie for Sy Snootles. It just wouldn't look right. Ya thinK?

QLD
06-22-2002, 02:09 PM
I have thought that pretty much all of the female 12" figures look horrible.

Darth Cruel
06-22-2002, 03:00 PM
Hasbro does need to work on their 12" females. I do not want to collect the fashion line, so I would like to see some quality 12" females with good articulation, and poseability whether they are dressed for combat or Royal duties.

chris
06-23-2002, 05:40 PM
All of them look horrible, that's why i dont buy them.

Jayspawn
06-23-2002, 11:50 PM
I agree Tycho. Most of the Hasbro female 12' figures look like Barbie dolls. They don't even look real (or even good for that matter). The first Princess Leia 12' was pretty good. The one in white. I WON'T buy them if they look at all like 'Barbie' dolls.

libuse
06-27-2002, 07:24 PM
I love all the 12 inch leia's so far except for the hoth leia, only cos i like my leias to look like a pretty princess and not some butchy
looking doll. So they in my opinion have been doing great in making the leia's. The hoth leia is not pretty. the padme - Queen 12 inch dolls look great. I wish i had the naboo fighting padme which i never saw in stores.

Tycho
06-27-2002, 08:43 PM
Libuse,

that Padme (in the 2-pack with Qui-Gon) was very hard to come by.

It was a Japanese exclusive originally, because stores here did not want to carry it.

People were first ordering it from overseas for $80.oo or more, plus shipping.

Then they had too many of them and offered them to Factory 2 You stores at a cut rate. Those stores subsequently sold them in the US for $20.oo a piece.

Now the internet, E-bay, and online stores like Entertainment Earth are the best places to find this. You'll need a credit card, or a way to send them a check or money order.

Keep in mind, they probably paid less than $20.oo for it when you watch what they're going to charge you for it.

I traded a MOMC R2 Leia Holo for it (which I got for $1.98) and took those R2s to Comic Con where I saw the small carded figure being sold by dealers for $80.00. So I made a deal with them on MY TERMS. :D Even if the 2-pack was worth $20.00 (or R2 was) paying $1.98 for it was well worth it!

InsaneJediGirl
06-29-2002, 08:55 PM
I'd have to agree about the female figures looking like crud.Either they come out looking like Barbie or a giant Bobblehead.:rolleyes:

Jedi Juice
06-29-2002, 11:07 PM
I don't really collect the 12" figures, but I do get the ones that I think are really neat, such as Mace and Jango. Other than that, though, I mainly collect the basic collection.

JediTricks
06-30-2002, 10:18 PM
The 1/5th scale heads are a problem with all the SW figures (since they're on 1/6th-scale bodies). However, the female figures have been pretty heinous, bodies that have less range of motion and less ability to hold accessories. I would gladly give up rooted hair for an actual female 12" action figure instead of some ridiculous half-breed action figure/fashion doll.

Jedi Juice
06-30-2002, 10:21 PM
Amen to that!

mini-rock
07-01-2002, 11:21 PM
I hope Hasbro doesn't go the barbie route with the female Jedi (if ever released). I don't see why they would, but IMO they need to get moving & get some female Jedi out.

MR

K M Toydarian
07-02-2002, 03:40 AM
I agree, I would love to see Luminari and I know they can do the costume up nice, but it would be useless on their "doll" body if she can't pose like her action figure!

N-2PF
07-02-2002, 10:15 AM
Originally posted by JediTricks
The 1/5th scale heads are a problem with all the SW figures

No, you're wrong. Padme.JPG shows the correct size. Amidala.JPG shows your problem. If it would be a 1/5 head on a 12"-body it looks like B. If you rescale the original head from "1/5" to "1/6" it would look like C - a manga comic girl - but no right scaled Natalie.

N-2PF
07-02-2002, 10:19 AM
Here's the doll's head size compared to the head of the actress.

mini-rock
07-02-2002, 11:41 AM
Adi Gallia, Depa Billaba, Shaak Ti, Luminara Unduli, and Aayla Secura are what I'd like to see before we get another male Jedi.

Tycho
07-02-2002, 04:25 PM
Thanks for the comparison pics N-2PF, now what I didn't understand was : Do any 12" females violate example A?

Who?

To all of us, it would seem Zam Wessel is a candidate. Unfortunately.

N-2PF
07-02-2002, 06:36 PM
Zam fits fig A (http://www.sirstevesguide.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=123872) (Authentic scale)...

N-2PF
07-02-2002, 06:44 PM
...but her helmet:

derek
07-02-2002, 09:19 PM
N-2PF,

those are some good comparison photos, but the problem is, the entire doll body is too tall. natalie is a small person. if her doll were in 1:1 scale, it would be almost 6 foot tall.

those barbie bodies should be almost an inch shorter than they are.:)

here is a side by side compairison of the episode 1 amidala with a dragon female figure. notice how much larger hasbro's head is. this is what jeditricks is refering to about her head being too big.:)

JediTricks
07-03-2002, 02:56 AM
Originally posted by N-2PF
Here's the doll's head size compared to the head of the actress. Good job on all that photo work. However, I think that's a bit misleading though. The doll body seems to represent a woman about 6' tall, while Padme is only 5'3" tall. In your padme.jpg, compare the shoulders and hips of actress Natalie Portman to the doll, the scale issue goes beyond height there.


Nicely done Derek, that's a great example of the scale problem. :cool:

N-2PF
07-09-2002, 09:17 AM
Chatting with Andy by Michael Sullenger from Rebelscum


MS: Fans are excited about your new 12" offerings utilizing the G.I. Joe body, which has more articulation and proportionality. Do you have similar plans for your female 12" action figures in the future?

Andy: Where it makes sense. We're still working on the product line for 2003 and focusing on 2002 right now. But certainly for the future, if they continue to sell well, we'll utilize similar tools for the female 12" action figures if it makes sense and are available. With G.I. Joe, there's more male bodies to use with the history of that line. But we'll certainly look into it for the females as well.

derek
07-11-2002, 02:24 PM
i read this, and was very disapointed by both the quality of the question and hasbro's answer.

here is what i would of liked to see:

derek: with the up-coming 12 inch wave, collectors are both excited and disgusted at the same time. the 12 inch dooku looks to be very well done, continuing where hasbro left off with the superb jango fett. however, not one person, except for some dork named "spitweet" at rebelscum's forums has had anything positive to say about zam weisel.

hasbro has a decent female body that was used for their GI Jane pilot and nurse. why wasn't this figure body used for zam, and will it or something better be used for padme?

hasbro dork: you are correct derek! what have we been thinking? we are going to recall all those zam weisel figures, shrink her head, make her an actual cloth top, and put it all on a Jane body.:) as for padme, she too will have a jane body and a realistic headsculpt.:)

****end fictious interview****

notice in the actual interview, hasbro left themself an out regarding the quality of the 12 inch female body. "when it makes sence" and "if they sell well" was their reply.

well did it make any sence for aurra sing, zam, or sabe or padme (battle outfits) from E1 to have barbie bodies?

and how do they really expect to sell any of those zam figures, except for the one i'll buy to try to kitbash with?