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AT-AT Man
06-22-2002, 01:31 AM
what a great movie, Speiberg has not lost his touch, i thought he night have, cause of AI, what a horrible movie. well anyway i love his new one, 10 out a 10 stars, great flick, go see it.

Imperial Monarche
06-22-2002, 01:35 AM
i just saw it too, and i was about to come to the forums to start up a thread about this movie. that was a very well made movie and kept my attention all the way. it just proves my point that steven spielburg cannot make a bad movie, even A.I. was good. i must be the only one that thinks that. but anyway, excellent movie.

QLD
06-22-2002, 02:42 PM
I am going to see this tonight. I have heard nothing but positive things about it.

derek
06-22-2002, 10:29 PM
does anyone know why it is titled "minority report"? who or what are the minority and what are they reporting?

RooJay
06-22-2002, 10:35 PM
I saw it last night and I loved it! I think it's one of Spielberg's best! To answer your question derek, Minority Report refers to the fact that the precognitions of future crimes come from a group of three psychics or PRECOGS, one female and twin males. When they have precognitions they do not always agree. One may not see events that the other two see, or may not see them the same way. Being one differing view out of three, that precog's view would be in the minority. Thus it would be disregarded as the "minority report" and generally disregarded for reasons you'd be better of discovering while watching the film. Try it, you won't be disappointed!

DeadEye
06-22-2002, 11:30 PM
Is there violence/fight scenes? Does anyone die?

2-1B
06-23-2002, 02:02 AM
What a terrible trailer! :crazed: I was not at all impressed by the way they cut together Cruise and Farrell's clips, and that music that they played is overused.

But I still plan to see it anyway. :D

QLD
06-23-2002, 08:43 AM
Dangit! I was going to see it last night. But at 8:30, the 9:30, 10:40, and 12:45 shows were all sold out. Ugh.

Eternal Padawan
06-23-2002, 04:03 PM
It's awesome. Definite twisting going on at the end. Very cool. And the DareDevil trailer was pretty sweet too. I may have to reverse my stance on that film...

DeadEye
06-23-2002, 05:27 PM
I agree. I saw Minority Report today and thought it was awesome. It was great to finally see Neal McDonough again. He'd be my first choice to play John Rassick if they made a movie of Battle of the Force. Neal has been in:
-First Contact, where he played Lt. Hawk
-Ravenous, where he played Reich
-The X-Files, where he played Knowle Roer
-And now Minority Report, where he played Fletcher.

And as for DareDevil, I think this explains it all:
http://www.pvponline.com/archive.php3?archive=20020622

saladin
06-23-2002, 07:48 PM
one of the best of the year, i mean just whoa, it was great

DeadEye
06-23-2002, 08:31 PM
I was surprised how much sex was in this movie. :eek:

derek
06-23-2002, 08:41 PM
thanks for explaining that roojay.:) but i still don't like the title.


well if E.P. likes it, it has to be worth seeing.:) i'm glad it is good, cause i wasn't impressed by the trailer. and i still don't like the title. at least it's not something corney like "FUTURE SEE-ERS"


i saw the daredevil trailer on the apple.com site, and i thought it looked prety cool, but i know nothing about dare devil, so i have no preconceptions.:)

LTBasker
06-23-2002, 09:13 PM
Could be Attack of the Psychics. ;)

DeadEye
06-23-2002, 09:38 PM
Make sure to check that link I posted on Daredevil, it's hilarious.

wedgeA
06-23-2002, 11:40 PM
Awesome film, best of the year along with Insomnia. Brilliant visuals, and I loved the neo-noir plot. That factory sequence is incredible. As one of the enlighted few who thought AI was brilliant:), I think SS has made up for the The Lost World.

Eternal Padawan
06-24-2002, 09:13 AM
derek, speaking of the title "Minority Report", one of the girls (she's black) who works in the box office had a promotional button on and a guy came up to buy a ticket saw the button and goes:

"So, Minority Report, is that like a black thing or something?"

;)


Deadeye, don't forget McDonough's work on Band of Brothers! and the cartoon was pretty funny. That's every comic book store I've ever walked into.

Caesar, the music they used in the trailer was from another movie wasn't it? I'm always catching trailers using other movies music before the film gets it's own...

LTBasker
06-24-2002, 09:33 AM
Don't wanna know how that guy's pop and popcorn were treated... :evil:

DeadEye
06-24-2002, 10:04 AM
I think McDonough will eventually get some power....he has potential. He's the "John Rassick" kinda guy. :D

I've never seen Band of Brothers...I was in Germany when that show was on.

master jedi
06-24-2002, 02:25 PM
If they would have elaborated on a few things in the movie I might have liked this movie.

DeadEye
06-24-2002, 03:27 PM
The only thing I didn't understand is, why did Lamar betray Anderton?

wedgeA
06-24-2002, 11:03 PM
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Because Anderton was going to investigate that woman's "drowning", and he eventually would have found the truth. The Leo Crow vision takes place almost immediately after Anderton talks to Burgess.

AT-AT Man
06-25-2002, 12:20 AM
hey wedge, how could you think AI was good, and The Lost World bad, i just don't see it, AI sucked, and the Lost World was like awesome. well anyway everyone is entitled to an opinoin

DeadEye
06-25-2002, 09:41 AM
Correct.

And thanks for clearing that up.

bigbarada
06-25-2002, 01:15 PM
I liked both AI and The Lost World, abeit for different reasons. Both great films; but I think AI was a lot better.

I haven't seen this yet as the trailer immediately made me think of an updated THX-1138; but I guess I can check it out. On video.;)

I do want to see Lilo and Stitch, though, while it's in the theaters.

wedgeA
06-25-2002, 02:27 PM
AT AT Man,

I hated the Lost World because its thrills were based upon characters making stupid decisions. For example, the guy who goes off to do his business alone. If I was on an island full of dinosaurs, I would not anywhere alone, especially if you would be in a position where you could not defend yourself. I would have taken five guys with shotguns with me, even if it was embarassing.

Secondly, the Vince Vaughn character did horrendous things that threatened the group, ie stealing the TRex, removing the guys ammo, etc, and was seen as a hero. Also, the whole idea of keeping the T-Rex alive in SD. It betrayed the idea of the first film that dinosaurs had no business existing in today's world, instead saying that they should be protected like an endangered species, etc.

As for AI, I thought it was visually stunning, and the performances by Osment and Law were top notch. I normally hate sappy tear jerkers but I thought that the emotion in this movie seemed very real. I also liked the fact that it showed both the beauty and horror of human nature. Finally, I really did like the ending, I felt that it was very appropriate, as the ultimate irony(?) that David becomes the "Adam" for the new civilization, and the last link to humanity. Overall, one of the most intelligent and substantive summer films in a great while.

master jedi
06-25-2002, 04:34 PM
There are 2 things I don't have clear about this movie:
-Who kidnapped and killed his son?

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-Could he only see out of one eye because he took the bandage off before 12 hours? or was it close enough for the 12 hour to be over that it didn't really make any difference?

derek
06-26-2002, 01:29 AM
deadeye,

did you used to post here as "pink trailor trash"?

the reason i ask is that person was also an army "brat" in germany about the same time as you and the same age.

just wondering.:)

Eternal Padawan
06-26-2002, 08:19 AM
mj, they never say who took his son.

I'm not sure about the eye thing, but he looked as though he had full use of both of them later in the film. If that eye was bad, Speilberg would have made that clearer. He's not careless about such details.

Lost World is one of Spielberg's bottom five. It might even be the worst movie he's done, but I'd have to watch Hook and 1941 again...

RooJay
06-27-2002, 01:03 AM
Originally posted by DeadEye
I was surprised how much sex was in this movie. :eek:

:confused: I don't recall seeing any sex in it at all. Am I just blanking?

Beast
06-27-2002, 08:47 PM
Just saw this movie earlier today, and I just have to say that it's one of the freshest Sci-fi movies in sometime. I hate cookie cutter sci-fi movies. Just like A.I., this movie was a huge breath of fresh air. I can't wait for the 4th Quarter DVD release. After seeing the A.I. DVD, I just know that it's going to be great. I really wish Spielburg would do an audio commentaries though. :(

Maybe I can get thru the eye surgery scene when it comes to DVD. I'm majorly squemish when it comes to stuff like that. I had to actually look away during that scene in the movie. It just makes me completly uncomfortable and ill. :eek: :dead:

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

DeadEye
06-27-2002, 11:54 PM
Pink trailor trash? I'm not him...he's merely my clone.

There was a LOT of sex in that movie...
1. Agatha said Anderton's son "Made love to a pretty girl named Claire...asked her to be his wife."
2. In the scene when Fletcher (the awesome Rassick-wannabe McDonough) released the spiders and Anderton hid in the bathtub, there was an overhead view showing everyone in the building. One guy smoked a cigarette on the toilet as the spiders scanned him, and a couple engaged in a...vigorous mating ritual.
3. At the hologram fun world place, some guy was getting it on with a bunch of holochicks.

Beast
06-28-2002, 12:17 AM
I just have to say somthing, about what DeadEye just posted:

1. How is that "sex", it's only talking about making love. It's certainly not gratuitous. It's not as if we are assaulted with quick cut flashbacks of what Agatha is seeing. :crazed:

2. So, he's smoking a cigarette on the toilet, that's not sex either. And I wouldn't call that a mating ritual. It was more of a case of them knocking each other around. I took it as expanding upon two messages of the film. 1. That the cops don't care at all about privacy. 2. That they don't care about anything but stopping the murder. Here this guy and his wife are fighting, and they ignore it. :)

3. A quick shot of a guy fully clothed, in a holochamber with a holographic woman ontop of him, is alot of sex? I just don't get it, the movie is rated PG-13, and they deal with adult issues. What's wrong with 1 mention of making love, and 1 shot of a holochamber.

I guess it's just another case that bloodshed, violence, and murder is ok at the movies, but not somthing as natural as sex. :confused:

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

RooJay
06-28-2002, 01:17 AM
I'm with JJB, I still don't recall any sex in the movie.

DeadEye
06-28-2002, 09:46 AM
#1, JJB is right. Now, in Resident Evil they showed a flashback...why??!!! :frus:

#2, I didn't say the guy smoking was having sex with his toilet or anything. I just mentioned him to help you remember the scene. And the guy and the girl in bed were at least ABOUT to engage in something.

#3, The holochamber. I just thought it was a bit much.

So this movie was fairly mild. But more and more movies nowadays, especially PG-13 movies, are having way too much sex in them. That belongs with porn, people!

derek
06-28-2002, 06:57 PM
dead eye,

knowle roar from the x-files was played by adam baldwin.
you should check out band of brothers. ask your clone "pinky" if he's getting the DVD set for christmas.:)


as for the movie, to quote damon waynons, "HATED IT!"

sorry jar jar, but this movie couldn't of been more of a cookie cutter. it's just a jean claude van damn film with a bigger budget.:) but if you lked it, then it was your money well spent.:)

the whole plot of the film, involving cruise being framed was not possible. if the pre-cogs see the future, no one could be framed because the future didn't happen that way. it would be technically impossible for someone to be framed for murder. anyway, how would the false images be placed in the female pre-cog's head?
and some loser gets a cell phone call asking him if he wants to be a murder victim and he accepts the offer? i know, his family was gonna get "taken care of" but come on!

and we were told early in the film that the pre-cogs only saw murders, but then cruse is draging the female pre-cog around and she's seeing everything.

and the whole concept of giving someone a life sentence for somethng they never did is insane.

i hate to say it but "time cop" was a better movie and it sucked.
and the old man who killed himself at the end would of really killed cruise and then killed himself. oh, he became an honorable man after killing the pre-cog's mom, and framing two people for murder? yea right! man what a lame film. A.I. was better than this and it too sucked.

and dead eye, if the "sex" in this film bothered you, how do you even watch regular TV?;)

Beast
06-28-2002, 07:24 PM
It could have been possible, for someone to feed the precogs false images. That's what Cruise thought had happened. But it wasn't, he actually in the original timeline of events he did shoot and kill that guy. But since he knew that he ended up killing that guy, he could change that future, and not kill him.

The guy probably had a huge debt, or major problems that his family was suffering. It's just like those people that get life insurance, and then commit suicide, so that it looks like they were murdered, or was killed in an accident. They care so much about their families, that they will sacrifice their own lives, so that they have a better life.

What you are told, is that they see that the strongest. They are kept from human contact, cause they can pick up other things also. That's why the investigators can examine the area around the murder. Just murders are the easiest to see, because like they said, it causes a big distortion.

Of course the idea of a life sentance for a crime that you haven't even commited yet is insane. But they use the pre-cogs visions of the future, as if the crime had occured. That's why they record them and have a trial before they actually go after the people. They are judged and convicted, for what they would do, if they weren't stopped.

He was always an honorable man, he was doing what he thought was right, so that noone else had to die. That woman wanted her daughter back. If he would have allowed it, then stopping crimes before they happen, would have been impossible. She was the key, and the 2 males needed her to function. He killed the cop, to protect the secret, and keep pre-crime from being taken away. Sure, he wasn't a just man, but he was doing what he thought was right for humanity. :)

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

wedgeA
06-28-2002, 07:36 PM
derek,

couple of points:

1) The images of were not really false when Agatha had them. Cruise was not framed, he would have actually killed Crow in that manner. They were proven "false" later, since he was the first person who knew the future ahead of time and had the oppurtunity to change it.

2) Also, we are told that the only crime that pre-cogs could see were murders, not that murders were the only things they could see.

3) I thought the idea of why people were given "the halo" was explained well, that just because their act was stopped does not absolve them of their culpability. Besides in the real world, even in this country there are people who are wrongfully imprisoned. That was the whole idea of the film, that the "perfect system" wasn't.

Otherwise, sorry you did not like the film, I'm not saying you're wrong in your opinion, but I think that there are some alternative points to your complaints.

RooJay
06-28-2002, 07:36 PM
Originally posted by DeadEye
#1, JJB is right. Now, in Resident Evil they showed a flashback...why??!!! :frus:
Because Resident Evil is a horror, and horror films are generally expected to have a sex scene in them somewhere! :D Not that it's needed in horror films either. In my opinion, if it doesn't help propel the story, then a sex scene is totally unneccesary and pointless. Wasn't Resident Evil rated R? :confused:

#2, I didn't say the guy smoking was having sex with his toilet or anything. I just mentioned him to help you remember the scene. And the guy and the girl in bed were at least ABOUT to engage in something.

#3, The holochamber. I just thought it was a bit much.
Ok, I see what you mean about those two scenes. It's just that they seemed so much tamer to me than most of what is shown in movies nowadays. I honestly didn't see a problem with them at all.

So this movie was fairly mild. But more and more movies nowadays, especially PG-13 movies, are having way too much sex in them. That belongs with porn, people!
Agreed!

wedgeA
06-28-2002, 07:37 PM
JarJarBinks,

Curse you and your rapid typing skills!! Beat me to the punch in almost everything I said!! I would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for that meddlin' Gungan!!

derek
06-28-2002, 07:41 PM
jar jar,

i forgot to mention the other cop he shot in cold blood.:) thanks for reminding me.:) but, honorable, the old man wasn't. it was all about "him", not humanity. he was killing these people to protect his interests, not to save humanity. at least that's how i saw it.:)

and how are false images of the future palced in a psychic's head? did the old man wisper in her ear while the pre-cog keeper was on his lunch break? ;)

Beast
06-28-2002, 07:51 PM
Originally posted by derek
jar jar,
i forgot to mention the other cop he shot in cold blood.:) thanks for reminding me.:) but, honorable, the old man wasn't. it was all about "him", not humanity. he was killing these people to protect his interests, not to save humanity. at least that's how i saw it.:)

and how are false images of the future palced in a psychic's head? did the old man wisper in her ear while the pre-cog keeper was on his lunch break? ;)
He was honorable, because he wanted to help humanity. He wanted to stop murders from taking place, so that people wouldn't have to live in fear anymore. Sure, he wanted to make sure he stayed in control of it, and that noone else found out that there were flaws to the system. He was justifying his actions with, "The good of the many, outweighs the good of the few, or the one." Sure it's from Trek, but it fits this situation. He knew that saving all those innocent people that got killed every year, was more important then a couple murders, and framing Cruise. :)

The same way that they can be pulled from the precogs heads, and displayed for the investigators. They just would create a false memory, likely in a holographic manner, and then upload it to the precogs. They are in a sleep like state, and some of the visions seem very dreamlike, so they would think of them as real vision. I have to watch the movie again, but I know that Tom mentions how he thought it was done. It's just slipping my mind at the moment. :)

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

derek
06-28-2002, 07:56 PM
wedge A,

if cruise were to murder the guy he thought killed his son, it would of been a "crime of passion", not pre-meditated as the pre cog's labeled it. they wouldn't of had the 36 hour heads up like they did, but only minutes, like in the opening scene, but that would of ruined their plot holed filled film, because they were doing a bulding to building search and never would of found him.

there is no way cruise's murder could of been pre-meditated, because he didn't know the guy he was gonna kill.
i have no problem with a film that makes you think, actually i prefer them, but when i have to make up stuff to fill the holes, that's where i draw the line.:)

and how his wife broke into the "death row" prison and liberated cruise with just his eye was beyond corney.

derek
06-28-2002, 08:00 PM
jar jar,

basically you're saying that you think socialism or communism is honorable because it looks out for "good of the many over the good of the few"?

Beast
06-28-2002, 08:05 PM
Derek, the reason that the pre cog's saw the murder so far in advance, is because it was pre-meditated. But not by Cruise, by the old man. He set the events in motion, that led the timeline twords Cruise killing Crow. The reasons they could see it so far in advance, is because Cruise was set up to kill him. The old man was the puppetmaster, pulling everyone's strings.

Sure it's a secure area, but there is minimum security in the "lifers" prison, because all the criminals are kept on ice, in the halo tubes. Plus with the eye scanners, they don't expect anyone to be able to break in, without alarms going off. Anyone there, should belong there. So it's not horribly far fetched, that she would be able to go in and rescue him, without attracting attention. :)


Originally posted by derek
jar jar, basically you're saying that you think socialism or communism is honorable because it looks out for "good of the many over the good of the few"?
We arn't talking about systems of goverment though. This was benefitting all of mankind. No more murders, no more familes loosing loved ones. No more pain and suffering for victim's famalies. No more father's and mother's having their children murdered. He was trying to do what he thought was right for humanity. Was it the right thing, no. But it was right in his eyes.

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar BInks

RooJay
06-28-2002, 08:10 PM
Originally posted by derek
and how are false images of the future palced in a psychic's head? did the old man wisper in her ear while the pre-cog keeper was on his lunch break? ;)

You may note that NO false image was ever placed in Agatha's head at any point during the film. She was the minority report. The other two precogs foresaw a murder (the drowning of Agatha's mother by the John Doe who was stopped and arrested), Agatha did not see that murder. Her vision, being the minority was discarded as false. When the actual murder was to take place all three precogs saw the same vision, which was then disregarded as an echo of the first vision, even though we in the audience know it was actually a completely separate vision of a completely separate event. True, it makes the head hurt to think about it, but it's all there, plain as day if you're paying attention.;)

RooJay
06-28-2002, 08:20 PM
Originally posted by derek
wedge A,

if cruise were to murder the guy he thought killed his son, it would of been a "crime of passion", not pre-meditated as the pre cog's labeled it. they wouldn't of had the 36 hour heads up like they did, but only minutes, like in the opening scene, but that would of ruined their plot holed filled film, because they were doing a bulding to building search and never would of found him.

there is no way cruise's murder could of been pre-meditated, because he didn't know the guy he was gonna kill.
i have no problem with a film that makes you think, actually i prefer them, but when i have to make up stuff to fill the holes, that's where i draw the line.:)

and how his wife broke into the "death row" prison and liberated cruise with just his eye was beyond corney.

I think JJB makes an excellent point about how Cruise was simply set up to murder by Max von Sydow's character. If you think about it that way, it's easy to see that Cruise's character is simply the "gun" used by von Sydow's character who does the actual murdering. The fact that the precogs don't see this could be explained as there is such a long distance between the time the "trigger" is pulled and the life is taken (which is what mainly causes the precognition in the first place). On the other hand, it can be said that Cruise's character did premeditate the murder of his son's killer. There are several scenes in the film, and several lines of dialogue that indicate that he has always contemplated killing his son's murderer if he were to ever find him. According to his mindset at the time the crime is predicted, Anderton is indeed planning on murdering his son's killer. Bakes your noodle to think about it, don't it?

wedgeA
06-28-2002, 10:09 PM
One question I did have regarding the Crow vision is that it seemed to be a paradox, as the vision was created by Anderton discovering Crow and his "deeds" and killing him, however Anderton's journey to find Crow began with his discovery of the vision. Hmmm....

Also, RooJay is right, Anderton stated that every day since his disappeared, he thought about what he would do to the man who took him.

derek
06-28-2002, 10:44 PM
roo jay,

the "false positive" or false image that i refer to was the image cruise found of himself commiting a murder. this image could not exist unless it was faked.

following your theory, all that took place was the old man contacted crow and told him to go to a certain room at a certain time and he would be shot. there is no way the pre-cogs could of seen a murder because no murder could take place unless cruise had a reason to be drawn to that room.

for cruise to end up in the hotel room and commit the murder, he had to see the false future which was somehow implanted in the female pre-cog.

wedge A,

your question is the answer in itself. the whole movie colapses upon itself because of the huge hole in the plot.

thinking about killing a hypothetical person is in no way the same as a premediated homicide.

by the way, did anyone notice who the hotel clerk was that cruise pulled the gun on? that's his cousin. he was also in mission impossible 2.:)

RooJay
06-28-2002, 11:41 PM
Originally posted by derek
roo jay,

the "false positive" or false image that i refer to was the image cruise found of himself commiting a murder. this image could not exist unless it was faked.
Yes, it could, and it did. The premonition was of Anderton killing the man who kidnapped and killed his son, which is what he was supposed to have believed. It was a vision of him killing his son's murderer in revenge for that act. It was only the fact that he knew about the murder ahead of time that allowed him to changed what was supposed to have happened and uncover the real truth.


following your theory, all that took place was the old man contacted crow and told him to go to a certain room at a certain time and he would be shot. there is no way the pre-cogs could of seen a murder because no murder could take place unless cruise had a reason to be drawn to that room.
No, what took place was that Anderton was in danger of uncovering the minority report, which would've proven that the system was not flawless as it's creator needed it to seem to the public. In order to keep that secret, Lamar Burgess arranged for Anderton to be set up; a scheme that would certainly kept the secret silent had it worked. Anderton did have a reason to be drawn to that room, he was searching for the understanding of how he could be led to commit a murder, and exactly who the man he is supposed to murder is.


for cruise to end up in the hotel room and commit the murder, he had to see the false future which was somehow implanted in the female pre-cog.
There was no "false future", but I believe the problem to which you refer is called a paradox, not a plot-hole.


thinking about killing a hypothetical person is in no way the same as a premediated homicide.
It can be, if you actually plan to kill that person should the event ever present itself.

But hey...that's just my take! I loved the movie, and think it's one of Spielberg's best. I even think it's one of the best films of the last couple of years!

2-1B
07-05-2002, 02:27 AM
:cry: I missed all of the discussion because I waited to see the movie. :cry:

It was good. I don't like Tom Cruise, so take that into consideration when I am not floored by the movie. :D But it was entertaining for the most part, I think the storyline was pretty cool and it obviously provoked discussion here! :)

Peter Stormare as the eye doctor was fantastic!

C'mon Binsky, did you turn away when Fett was decapitated? Or when all of those Geonosians were gutted? Watch out for ESB, there are Tauntaun entrails and a hand severing that might gross you out. :rolleyes:
Wait a minute, there wan't even an eye surgery scene ! ! ! They showed the guy with his eyes widened . . . for all you know, he was checking for glaucoma - but you didn't watch it, huh? :D

Colin Farrell was teriffic, I think he has potential. :)
Hey Eternal Padawan, he's appearing in Daredevil as well, playing Bullseye (? not sure who that is, as I have no ideas about the comic either, other than Affleck being blind. :) )
About that trailer music, I don't know where it's from but I've heard it before . . . I wish the studio would have stayed away from it . . .

Mike Binder as Crow, I was surprised to see that guy in the movie. I know him only from his comedy - so I was impressed by his brief work as the crazy desperate guy seeking death by cop.

I didn't care for Fletcher.

Oh, how delightful was Max von Sydow ! thanks to the make up in The Exorcist, that guy seems TIMELESS to me! :happy: Or maybe it's his great acting, either way I think he's awesome.
Ah, no - I do not see how you can call that character honorable in any way . . . IF he was so concerned with protecting the system, he should have killed Anderton to keep it going. Instead, he killed himself, knowing the "honorable" goals he set out to accomplish would be ruined. He craved power and prestige . . . and Civil War pistols :p . . . by the time he killed himself, there was no hope for his personal future. He screwed the system with his own selfishness.
A wretched character, made more so by a brilliant actor. :happy:

I actually didn't care much for the ending. Remember the scene in which Anderton is added to the prison population? I had the feeling that they were ending the movie already, leaving things on a down note. Anderton, the good guy, wrongly imprisoned by the system he lived to advance. It felt pretty eery.

On page 1 I posted how much I hated the trailer - and I hate it even more now. Honestly, the trailer itself did not intrigue me, and I had no inkling to see it based on that alone. The film is much much better than the trailer implies. Of course, if I was a pre-cog myself, I would have known that beforehand. :)

Am I mistaken in recalling Farrell's line form the trailer as "I have a warrant in my pocket that says murder" ? ? ? :confused:
In the movie, he says "otherwise" instead of "murder" . . . I'm not sure why they had to manipulate the scene that way . . .

Beast
07-05-2002, 03:04 AM
Originally posted by Caesar
C'mon Binsky, did you turn away when Fett was decapitated? Or when all of those Geonosians were gutted? Watch out for ESB, there are Tauntaun entrails and a hand severing that might gross you out. :rolleyes:

Wait a minute, there wan't even an eye surgery scene ! ! ! They showed the guy with his eyes widened . . . for all you know, he was checking for glaucoma - but you didn't watch it, huh? :D

No, that stuff doesn't bug me at all. I just cant see people messing with eyes, or close-ups of eyeballs. It just grosses me out. And I have a really high gross out factor. I love horror movies like Re-Animator 1&2 and the Hellraiser series, except for the 5th one, stank on toast. But I can't stand anything to do with eyes in movies or real life. God forbid I ever need glasses, they will have to knock me out. Yeah, sounds weird huh. Love to be scared, and see be ripped to shreads, eviserated and eaten in films like the above, and Hannibal. But start examining eyes in a movie, and I get really disturbed. I don't know why, I just am. :)

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

DeadEye
07-05-2002, 11:46 AM
Same here, Jar Jar! Black Hawk Down was plenty violent, but the one part I couldn't bear to watch was when Maddox was driving a Humvee and the windshield shattered, sending the glass shards into his eyes.

conli olper
07-06-2002, 02:32 PM
*dont read this post if you havent seen the film*

i cant believe the only way they could think to wrap up the loose ends in this film was to make von sydow's character utter a totally ridiculous tongue slip. surely they could have thought of an intelligent way clue in aderton's wife. i havent read the book, but with philip k dick's rep, id be disappinted if he actually used the old 'we'll find out how she drownd. er, good, only i never said she drowned' in his novel. as if it couldnt get any worse, the actual ending was just spielberg at his most idiotic. those last few scenes/shots felt completly at odds with the rest of the film. i wish spielberg had the guts to occasionally do away with the sentimental drivel he insists on injecting into every one of his films. that said, the first hour or so was cracker.

to the person who said they looked away in the eye op scene, you didnt have to because you didnt even seen anything. another thing i didnt get was they introduced a little back story in that aderton had locked away the dude doing his eye swap op, and then they didnt go anywhere with it! the guy gets his revenge...by doing a great job giving aderton his new eyes! er, did i miss something here? maybe the the moldy old sandwich, but if that was his half-assed attempt at getting some payback on anderton, then why even bother having his russian wench put a fresh one in there. that is all.

Jedi Juice
07-08-2002, 12:04 AM
If anyone already asked this question or if it's already posted, I'm sorry, but:

Do we know who killed John's son? I don't recall if the answer was given in the movie, but please enlighten me. Thanks.

I really enjoyed the movie, and it was really nice since I had no idea what the movie was about. All I knew was that Pre-Crime could prevent homicides and other killings from happening before the act.

Anyway, have fun.

scruffziller
07-08-2002, 06:09 AM
Originally posted by master jedi
If they would have elaborated on a few things in the movie I might have liked this movie.
Uh Oh you are starting to sound like my little brother. I suppose you didn't like Ronin or the Ninth Gate as well.

die-jarjar-die
07-08-2002, 06:42 PM
Ok where to start?????

Hmmmmmm........IMHO I feel Philip K Dick would be turning in his grave at the end result of this movie!

*****SPOILER ALERTS**********************************


















I was bitterly disappointed with the ending of this movie. Up to the revelation in Leo Crowe's room I had been thoroughly enjoying the movie & was still in high hopes that Spielberg was onto a winner......perhaps that was my first failing!

As the LOOSE story threads began to finally weave together ( which I had no problem with as PKD used this technique extensively in his work) the extremely disappointing revelation dawned on me;

"Rollo Tomasi", I whispered to my girlfriend. A nod of agreement and we sat back to see if indeed we were precogs.....

Yes, annoyingly we were. The movie had somehow evolved into LA Confidential, which although it is a SUPERB movie, it is only 5 years old and thus still quite fresh. How did the writer think he could get away with blatantly plagerising that plot device?

As another poster mentioned "Would PKD have used such a device to tie the film together?" In answer I would say NEVER!!!!!

But I cant say all bad things about it. The direction was excellent, the sets, costumes and SFX were superb, truely capturing that film noir style. The vehicles concept reminded me alot of the vehicles described in many of PKD's novels, which I thought was a lovely touch.

Superb casting, well done all concerned, Colin Farrell is gonna shine one of these days! Not bad for someone who first appeared in BBC television drama!

I would have preferred to have seen Ridley Scott direct this picture. Out of the 4 PKD adaptations I have now seen, his was by far the MOST impressive and removed from the traditional constraints of movie cliche. BLADE RUNNER. No happy ending, a lot of plot qustions left unanswered..... If only this had been the same way with Minority Report! Unfortunately it AGAIN suffered from SS's sentimental indulgence. All plot pieces HAD to taken to conclusion and a horrendously unnecessary epilogue.

I personally would have preferred the film to have ended with Anderton killing his sons killer, not revealing the knowledge that it was all a set up, being incarcerated and the film ending with the secret conspiracy not revealed in anyway shape or form for Anderton's discovery of his own crime and his subsequent search for the clues that would in the end lead him to the scene of his crime would be sufficiently dark enough in story and tone, also befitting PKD's style of writing. The audience would have left the cinema wondering why Anderton had been set up, hopefully realising, as I had, that in order to save PreCog, Anderton would have to be removed from the equation, proving that PreCog worked absolute and none were exempt from its touch, guaranteeing its nationwide success.

RooJay
07-09-2002, 04:51 AM
Originally posted by Caesar
Peter Stormare as the eye doctor was fantastic!


Is he ever anything but? ;)

I, too, hated the trailer. Fortunately I had a sixth sense about this one, and had a feeling it was gonna be a good one! Thankfully, I was right!

I, for one, was not bothered at all by the sentimental touch of Steven Spielberg (can't think of an instance where I have been); I'm one of those wierdos who goes to the movie to have a good time, and hopefully have my spirits lifted and my emotions stirred. True, sometimes it's good to see the bad guys win, but I have a preference for having things the other way around. I see bad guys win all the time in the real world; movies should be meant for escape n my opinion.

Eternal Padawan
07-09-2002, 10:09 AM
I agree die-jar-die. It would have been more profound for the protagonanist have to make the choice of sacrificing himself for the good of the Pre-Crime unit. Rather than having the bad guy do it.

DeadEye
07-09-2002, 10:54 AM
It should have ended with Leo Crowe. Instead, it drags on for another thirty minutes...:frus:

But I prefer to have all the plot holes tied up. I don't like having things left unanswered. If you want something that doesn't answer squat, go watch the X-files...:p

pthfnder89
07-09-2002, 11:44 AM
Originally posted by DeadEye
It should have ended with Leo Crowe. Instead, it drags on for another thirty minutes...:frus:

But I prefer to have all the plot holes tied up. I don't like having things left unanswered. If you want something that doesn't answer squat, go watch the X-files...:p

Ugh, I stayed with that show just out of sheer loyalty. By the time they finally decided to give us all the "answers" we wanted, it's like they had completely forgotten the question.:rolleyes:

I liked Minority Report although it's definitely not without it's flaws. I don't mind a movie that leaves you with certain questions, as long as it's well done and not simply sloppy scriptwriting on the filmmakers part.

DeadEye
07-09-2002, 01:11 PM
I just wish the movie had more action to it. It was dull!

die-jarjar-die
07-09-2002, 04:45 PM
Wow...thanks Eternal Padawan, glad to have someone that agrees with me.....:>

Don't get me wrong, it was a superbly made film, I can't knock that aspect and their vision of the future was top notch..very CYBER PUNK.

I really enjoyed the majority of the film, in fact i was really enjoying it right up to the point where he catches up with the future, its just after there that I started to shift in my seat and groan at the realisation of where the movie was headed. All the while throughout I had been pleasantly surprised at the way the movie was panning out and thought theyd captured some sense of PKD's story development.......

It was then the ground fell out from under me. I do agree that most films need to be tied up and all questions answered, but it had appeared that this film MIGHT have broken away from that and provided us with a challenging piece of filmmaking........

In fact I think I would have preferred this for an ending:

Anderton, upon learning that he has indeed been set up by the very people he not only works for but admires, flees Washington, vowing revenge. He visits Baltimore, his old cop haunt. Under the floorboards of his old apartment lies an arsenal of weapons, the like we've never seen before in a SS movie. Armed to the teeth with grenades, guns, semi autos and battlefield tactical nukes, Anderton returns to PreCog HQ and begins to take his vengeance. He sneaks into PreCog HQ and uncovers secret files that show that it was not only Max Von Badguy that set him up but all his closest chums were in on it (a promise of free bubblegum, or something). Unplugging the weirdo kids in white gunk, so they cant forsee his next movements, Anderton calmly wanders thru HQ dishing out Digital Justice to all that deserve it. Finally after mucho guns and death he finds himself face to face with Max Von Baddy.

"You want a Minority Report? Report this MO-FO!!"

and blows him away. Turning to the baldy brit blond chick, who by now has emerged from the white stuff and forgotten to get dressed properly, he scoops her up in his arms, looks lovingly into her eyes. He turns, reaching for something on the desk. Facing her again he hands her an ice cream cone overflowing with raspberry ripple ice cream.

"Now thats what I call a sticky situation" she giggles...

FADE TO BLACK

JON9000
07-15-2002, 02:36 AM
About the whole crime of passion problem...

A crime of passion occurs when someone is brought instantaneously into a rage and kills practically before they have a chance to consider what they are doing. The killer acts in an almost reflexive manner.

Tom Cruise had almost as much time to think about murder before committing it as the poor guy at the beginning of the movie. The would be murder of Crowe was not a crime of passion.

In a summer of films that invite you to walk in and turn off your brain for a few hours, I appreciate something a little more sublime.

And as far as the sexuality- I remember the days before PG-13 was even a rating and nudity would occur in PG rated films. I agree with Jar Jar on this one. Incredible acts of violence seem to be alright (think Jango's head rolling) but God forbid we see a woman's naked breast.

Anyway, I hope the flick does really well and convinces Spielberg to make more hard edged flicks in the future and certainly more based on Philip K. Dick novels.

I recommend this movie to everyone as long as they know what they are in for.

Jedi Knightrider
07-22-2002, 11:17 AM
Originally posted by DeadEye
I agree. I saw Minority Report today and thought it was awesome. It was great to finally see Neal McDonough again. He'd be my first choice to play John Rassick if they made a movie of Battle of the Force. Neal has been in:
-First Contact, where he played Lt. Hawk
-Ravenous, where he played Reich
-The X-Files, where he played Knowle Roer
-And now Minority Report, where he played Fletcher.

And as for DareDevil, I think this explains it all:
http://www.pvponline.com/archive.php3?archive=20020622

EDIT: Sorry, didn't know that Derek had addressed this issue.

Neal McDonough played Special Agent Comer, and I agree, he's awesome.

Adam Baldwin played the part of Knowle Rohrer. He's cool too.

Jedi Knightrider
07-22-2002, 11:25 AM
Originally posted by DeadEye
#1, JJB is right. Now, in Resident Evil they showed a flashback...why??!!! :frus:

#2, I didn't say the guy smoking was having sex with his toilet or anything. I just mentioned him to help you remember the scene. And the guy and the girl in bed were at least ABOUT to engage in something.

#3, The holochamber. I just thought it was a bit much.

So this movie was fairly mild. But more and more movies nowadays, especially PG-13 movies, are having way too much sex in them. That belongs with porn, people!

In Deadeye's defence, they actually were in the process. This is really the only "sex" that is in the movie, however.

Anyway, as this is my first time posting in here, you might have guessed that I just saw it last night. I thought it was incredible. Really cool premise, really cool effects, really cool cinematography. I liked the idea of a "Who does it?" instead of a "Who done it?" murder mystery.

Jedi Knightrider
07-22-2002, 11:41 AM
Originally posted by derek
the whole plot of the film, involving cruise being framed was not possible. if the pre-cogs see the future, no one could be framed because the future didn't happen that way. it would be technically impossible for someone to be framed for murder. anyway, how would the false images be placed in the female pre-cog's head?

SPOILERS.......











Anderton found out about the missing data stream from Agatha. He went to Lamar about it, and as soon as Lamar put events into place to frame Anderton was when the pre-cogs saw him commit the murder. This isn't like the murder was envisioned two years in advance, it was going to happen in a day and a half.


Originally posted by derek
and some loser gets a cell phone call asking him if he wants to be a murder victim and he accepts the offer? i know, his family was gonna get "taken care of" but come on!

We don't know what's going on in the life of this man. Maybe he's dying of an incurable disease and has no life/health insurance. Maybe this is the only way he sees for his family to be taken care of.


Originally posted by derek
and we were told early in the film that the pre-cogs only saw murders, but then cruse is draging the female pre-cog around and she's seeing everything.

She's the most talented of the three, and they keep her doped up all the time. All they use her for is premonitions of murders, nothing else. That's all the equipment is set up for.


Originally posted by derek
and the whole concept of giving someone a life sentence for somethng they never did is insane.

True. But, might that be the idea they are trying to get across?


Originally posted by derek
i hate to say it but "time cop" was a better movie and it sucked.
and the old man who killed himself at the end would of really killed cruise and then killed himself. oh, he became an honorable man after killing the pre-cog's mom, and framing two people for murder? yea right! man what a lame film. A.I. was better than this and it too sucked.

"Time Cop" was better? Lamar isn't becoming an honorable man, he's taking the easy way out. There's nothing honorable in suicide to avoid punishment.

RooJay
07-22-2002, 06:48 PM
My sentiments exactly, Jedi Knightrider!

kadamontaga
08-15-2002, 08:01 PM
I don't get it.

It was a great movie and I really enjoyed it, but i don't understand something...

What was the point in setting up anderton?

It seemed to me that Lamar Burgess had got away with the murder and the matter was closed. So why bother setting up Anderton?

I'm missing something.
I'm not stupid though.

derek
08-15-2002, 08:59 PM
cruise's character got set up because he was snooping around in the female precog's mother's death, and because he found that her minority report, which showed the actual murder, was missing.

i still claim that the whole movie crumbles because it was impossible to set up anderton, that is, fake the future. cruise never would of ended up in that hotel room if he hadn't seen the murder he was going to commit. some call this a paradox, but i call it crappy writing.:)

kadamontaga
08-16-2002, 09:52 AM
Well, the little sonic gun things were cool.

Lets concentrate on those for a while. Give our brains a chance to cool down.