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icatch9
07-15-2002, 02:54 PM
Has anyone noticed that a lot of movies are comeing out on DVD/VHS very fast? The news on the main page lists almost all of this years "Summer Blockbusters" comeing out on DVD befor the holidays. Sure, I understand that they want to cash in on the gift giveing season, but why now. Why wasn't this practiced years ago when DVD's boomed and even longer ago when VHS boomed. We had to wait for more than a year to get TPM on VHS and even longer on DVD. Now with AOTC we'll only have to wait 4 months.

Jar Jar, I'm sure you'll be all over this one :)

Thanks all.

Beast
07-15-2002, 03:17 PM
It's just the nature of the beast. Especially with the bootleg market now adays. If they were to wait as long as they used to, they would loose massive sales to bootleggers. It's a sad fact today, that with the proliferation of the internet, and the ease of access to bootlegs, or the ability to download them off the net. It not only hurts DVD sales, but also box office receipts.

This is the only way that studios can compete, and it's really slitting their own throat also. If a movie comes on DVD fast, it means that less people are going to take the time to see it in the theater. That's why you'll never see somthing like Titanic in Box Office reciepts again. Just look at all the people that posted here, about have a download, or bootleg of Episode 2 before or just after it came out. :(

The fastest turn around so far has been Resident Evil. It opened in March, and the DVD release is in July. That's about 4 months. Star Wars comes out November 26th, so that is about 6 months. Reign of Fire has a November 13th release date already, and it just opened at the theater. Lilo & Stitch, Disney's summer blockbuster, is due out in December. Typically Disney releases their Summer BlockBusters in Febuary. :)

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

Jek Porky 2002
07-15-2002, 04:04 PM
Only 2 years ago TPM was released 11 months after it's cinema release, I can remember when Jurrassic Park was released in summer 1993 we had to wait untill Xmas time 1994 for the video, times are changing!

pthfnder89
07-15-2002, 04:18 PM
Originally posted by Jek Porky 2002
Only 2 years ago TPM was released 11 months after it's cinema release, I can remember when Jurrassic Park was released in summer 1993 we had to wait untill Xmas time 1994 for the video, times are changing!

Not always. It didn't just change now that DVD is here either; in the 5-6 years before DVD, movies were being released on VHS more and more quickly every year. One problem was that a movies release was dictated by the studio and/or filmmaker. Which basically meant that they would release it when they darn well pleased and when they could make the most money off of it.

Nowadays, the same is still true obviously, but as JarJAr pointed out, digital bootlegging is seriously freaking out the Hollywood execs, and thus, they are in a hurry to get legitimate copies out to the consumer much more rapidly.

Also, the studios used to have a much different agreement with the video rental stores. The old structure was something like this:

-the movie would be released on VHS at a price of $99 or so
-this was because rental stores were the primary customer, so they buy a couple copies at this price and make the money back from the rentals, then
- after it's been available to rent for around 8-12 months, the studio drops the price to $15-$25 and retail stores begin to carry it for purchase buy the average consumer

But then Bloackbuster comes along, and runs nearly every other rental company out of buisness, which is fine with the studios except that Blockbuster overextends itself and goes bankrupt. In order to dig themselves out, they create a new structure with the studios like this:
-the studios give Blockbuster practically unlimited copies of the tapes and DVDs for free
-and for EACH RENTAL, the studio gets a percentage

That's why all of a sudden Blockbuster starts the whole "If we don't have it in stock, it's free" campiagn. They can afford to do that because they get the tapes for nothing.

Dar' Argol
07-15-2002, 04:24 PM
Not only all of the above info, but the technology has changed. Its easier now to sned movies to a DVD format. Expecially AOTC, since it was an all digital format to begin with. Not only that, but the promoters for these movies fell that they can make more :greedy: off thew movie if it is released not too long after it gets out of the theater. Since it is still fresh in most ppls minds 6 months from now, it should make more :greedy:.

The thing I do not understand is what in the heck is taking Monsters, Inc and Ice age soooooo long to get to DVD. Monsters, Inc has been out of the theaters now for what, 18 months???? What's the hold up?!?!?!?

JON9000
07-15-2002, 04:36 PM
Hafta disagree with you Jar Jar when it comes to receipts being seriously affected by downloading, at least at this point. I had no intention of seeing a compressed small screen AOTC. Got to see it on the big screen, and I think I'm not alone of this- the experience in the theater is just a major part of the whole thing. Going to the movies is a social thing. Teenagers drive the market because for kids going to the movies is on a very short list of things to go out and do.

I do, however, agree that piracy drives the product to VHS/DVD formats faster.

Beast
07-15-2002, 04:41 PM
Originally posted by Dar' Argol
The thing I do not understand is what in the heck is taking Monsters, Inc and Ice age soooooo long to get to DVD. Monsters, Inc has been out of the theaters now for what, 18 months???? What's the hold up?!?!?!?
Monsters, Inc. originally opened in theaters October 28th 2001. The DVD release is coming on October 17th. So it's a little less than a year for it to be released. They wanted it as a holiday release on DVD, but since the film release was so delayed, they choose to wait and release it this year. The DVD release of Ice Age is November 26th, the same day as Star Wars. Here are specs for both:

Monsters, Inc.:
The definitive 2-disc Monsters, Inc. will SRP for $29.99, and will include...

Disc One - the fullscreen Version of the Film (1.33:1) specially reframed for standard TVs, a Widescreen Version of the Film (1.85:1) enhanced for 16x9 televisions (original theatrical aspect ratio), Dolby Digital 5.1 Surround EX, a Dolby Digital 5.1 Surround EX sound effects only track, THX-certified with THX Optimizer, audio commentary by the filmmakers (Director Pete Docter, Co-Director Lee Unkrich, Executive Producer John Lasseter and Executive Producer and Screenwriter Andrew Stanton)

Disc Two - (divided into two worlds: The Monster World and The Human World), outtakes (including Company Play), a performance of Put That Thing Back Where it Came from or So Help Me (written, choreographed, produced, directed and catered by Mike Wazowski), For the Birds (the 2001 Oscar-nominated Pixar animated short film, the music featurette If I Didn't Have You (performed by Billy Crystal and John Goodman) and an exclusive sneak peek of Finding Nemo (Disney/Pixar's new upcoming feature)

Ice Age:
The other upcoming title is Fox's Ice Age: Special Edition (11/26 - SRP $29.98). This 2-disc set will include both anamorphic widescreen and full frame video, along with audio in Dolby Digital 5.1. Among the extras will be audio commentary by the directors, The Making of Ice Age documentary, the HBO First Look special, "Sid on Sid Silhouette" on scenes, 6 deleted scenes with director's audio commentary, a multi-angle animation progression, Scrat interstitials, the Sid character development featurette, the Blue Sky featurette, the Bunny animated short, a design artwork gallery, 3 set-top games, 2 DVD-ROM games, DVD-ROM "printables" of characters and more, international clips, trailers, TV spots and Easter eggs.

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

Beast
07-15-2002, 04:49 PM
Originally posted by JON9000
Hafta disagree with you Jar Jar when it comes to receipts being seriously affected by downloading, at least at this point. I had no intention of seeing a compressed small screen AOTC. Got to see it on the big screen, and I think I'm not alone of this- the experience in the theater is just a major part of the whole thing. Going to the movies is a social thing. Teenagers drive the market because for kids going to the movies is on a very short list of things to go out and do. I do, however, agree that piracy drives the product to VHS/DVD formats faster.
Your forgetting though, that those big box office takes, come from people that see a movie multiple times. Back when the Star Wars films originally came out and somewhat with Episode 1, if you wanted to see the movie again, you had to actually pay the money and go see it again. Finding a decent bootleg for a cheap price for E1 was still tough. It also wasn't as easily found for download online, as Episode II is. So yes, people do still see them in theaters, but the bootleg issue does affect ticket sales, because you don't get the repeat veiwings that you used to, back before bootlegs and downloads became so commen. :)

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

bigbarada
07-16-2002, 11:28 AM
I used to just assume that a quick DVD/VHS release was something the studios did to help recuperate from a dismal or disappointing box office performance. I guess the market is changing enough that that no longer holds true. Which is good for people like me, if I didn't know that Ep2 was going to be released on DVD by the end of this year, I would have made it a point to see it a few more times when it was playing in the local theater here. (I watched it three times, I saw Ep1 eleven times since I expected the wait for the VHS to be a few years).

JEDIpartner
07-16-2002, 01:40 PM
The studios also know that when a film is fresh in the minds of the consumers, they will most likely buy the film... especially if it was good or generated good buzz.

icatch9
07-16-2002, 02:04 PM
Best Buy should set up at movie theaters and take pre orders for the DVD of new movies. At this rate movies will be on DVD a week after the film is released.

I understand that this helps recover some of the money lost to bootlegs and downloads, but not those or even a DVD with 5.1 dolby can recreate the experience of a Star Wars movie in a actual theater :). I'm sure many will agree with that.

I'm planning on seeing AOTC a 5th time this week :). The original one last time :)

2-1B
07-17-2002, 12:44 AM
double post - please delete :(

2-1B
07-17-2002, 12:44 AM
Blockbuster is a joke, they died around here within the past few years - another chain came in and blew them away. I'm glad, because I hate Blockbuster. :)

DarthBrandon
08-11-2002, 12:41 AM
Originally posted by JarJarBinks

Your forgetting though, that those big box office takes, come from people that see a movie multiple times. Back when the Star Wars films originally came out and somewhat with Episode 1, if you wanted to see the movie again, you had to actually pay the money and go see it again. Finding a decent bootleg for a cheap price for E1 was still tough. It also wasn't as easily found for download online, as Episode II is. So yes, people do still see them in theaters, but the bootleg issue does affect ticket sales, because you don't get the repeat veiwings that you used to, back before bootlegs and downloads became so commen. :)

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

I think it goes both ways JarJarBinks, I've seen ATOC a total of four times at the theatre and probably twelve plus times on a burnt CD/DVD, I still intend to buy the DVD when it comes out. I've paid my money at the theater a total of four times, I think that is enough and I'm not the only one who has done it this way. I don't think most people who saw Episode II did it through their computers, I think they seen it at the movies and then down loaded it later. I hate watching movies off the net because it takes away the quality of the film, I'd rather see it first at the movies. I also understand that if most people did it the other way, that is to down load it, and not go to the movies, then I can see it being a problem. :) :D

Eternal Padawan
08-11-2002, 10:13 AM
bigbarada got it sort of right. The studios used to look at the BO a film made as it's sole means of recuperating the budget of the film. They saw the video after market as something of a bonus, but didn't reflect into the over all scheme of things. Then movies started doing better business in video sales than they had in the theatres, so now the studios look at the overall lifespan of the film, Theatre, Home Video purchases/rentals, payper view, Cable rights, and broadcast rights. That's why you read about a major broadcaster (CBS, NBC, etc) buying the rights for a major hit, years in advance of it actually being shown. The TV guys think it's cheaper to pay for the film at todays rates than wait four years for it to wind its way down the presentation food chain.

So looking at this overall view, the studios think it's better to strike while the iron is hot abd the film is still fresh in peoples minds from the original theatrical run. So the time between theatre and hove viewing is shriveling.

Caesar, I hate Blockbuster, too! Remember their standard policy of charging a late fee no matter whether you brought it back on time or not? I quit going there because of those stupid little cards. I can't believe they got away with that for as long as they did, and I can't believe how many people just blindly paid the late charges without thinking about it.

ROLLO!

bigbarada
08-11-2002, 12:04 PM
Maybe it's just me, but I've noticed that directors and producers seem to have two versions of every film nowadays. They have the theatrical release and the "real version" that ends up on DVD. I'm almost positive that directors make scenes that they know are going to be cut from the theatrical release just so they can have some bonus footage to add to a DVD and justify a Special Edition re-release. Not that this is necessarily a bad thing, for movies like LOTR this is acceptable, since so much of the book can be put back into the movie that way.

I think in a few years the theater going experience will fade as many big blockbusters will start going straight to DVD. I hate going to a movie theater personally, too many kids and impatient teenagers who not only cannot appreciate a good story, but are hellbent on ruining the experience for everyone else. Much better to watch the movie in my own home where I control the environment and don't have to put up with someone else's juvenile delinquents. So I think it is a great idea to start releasing films on DVD/VHS almost immediately after their theatrical release.

scruffziller
08-11-2002, 03:54 PM
Because they're really bad.:rolleyes: Conan O'Brien (looks at slide of Judge Dredd poster) "Now this art piece is called QUICK TO VIDEO.":D :crazed:

RooJay
08-12-2002, 08:27 PM
I hate Blockbuster too. I used to manage stores for them. I have not set foot in one since the day I quit. The time I spent working for that company was one of the worst times of my life.

Beast
08-12-2002, 08:38 PM
I hate Blockbuster also. I only went there to take them up on their free LOTR's deal. As soon as I'm done getting my 10 week rentals I am going back to Hollywood video, or Family video. I'm suprised that Blockbuster is still getting away with their late fee scam that they got busted on once before.

They still have a noon return time, so people either have to take it back the night before, or they have to try to get it in before they go to work. Ensures the stores get them returned early, and if people don't get them back on time, they can screw them for full rental price per day late. :mad: :(

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

bigbarada
08-12-2002, 11:46 PM
Well, if you wanted a free copy of LOTR, you could have just test-driven a Kia. I saw the add last night, a really funny sequence where a couple driving a Kia through the forest is pursued by black riders. Although, I am sure there is more to it than what the commercial was letting on, like maybe checking your credit to see if you are even capable of buying a new car (which I am most definitely not). But it definitely sounds like someone in the high levels of Kia is a big LOTR fan.

Beast
08-13-2002, 12:01 AM
Well, to take a test drive you also have to be able to drive. I have a medical condition that can cause leg spasms down the lengths of my legs. The one time someone tried to teach me to drive, it spasmed and locked up on the gas pedal. I killed a poor sapling that day, as the car went across someones lawn before I could pull my leg off the accelerator. :)

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

2-1B
08-13-2002, 03:52 AM
Originally posted by bigbarada
Well, if you wanted a free copy of LOTR, you could have just test-driven a Kia. I saw the add last night, a really funny sequence where a couple driving a Kia through the forest is pursued by black riders. Although, I am sure there is more to it than what the commercial was letting on, like maybe checking your credit to see if you are even capable of buying a new car (which I am most definitely not). But it definitely sounds like someone in the high levels of Kia is a big LOTR fan.

Meh, they probably just give you a Fullscreen copy. :D

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Rollo and other anti-Blockbusterites - yes, you're very right about their late fees, I heard a figure on a financial radio talk show the other night, and while I can't recall specifics stats I do know they make a good chunk of their overall income on those late fees - I want to say somewhere around 17% but I can't be certain.

JJB - Family video is the exact chain I was referring to, they came in here . . . 6 . . . years ago and Blockbuster packed up. Their store was turned into a Pappa John's (YUCK :dead: ) but I just noticed that Blockbuster is now BACK: they opened a newly built store on the same street as their old one. :rolleyes:
I won't go in there.

I like Family Video, they're pretty funny - "Family Video, where the kids' movies are always free."
I like to tack on to the end of that, " . . . and the porn's in the back." :crazed:

Eternal Padawan
08-13-2002, 08:16 AM
Speaking of late video returns. I went into this local video rental chain and rented a movie. They were closing for a holiday on the day I was supposed to return my video, so I asked the guy behind the counter whether the return policy was different. He said to bring it back the day after (the day they reopened). So I returned it "a day late" and the next time I went in they tried to charge me a late fee. I explained what had happened and that their clerk had told me there was no late fee.

Their response was "Oh. That guy doesn't work here anymore."

They couldn't fathom my argument that regardless of whether he was working there NOW, what he had told me WHILE HE WAS AN EMPLOYEE, was that there was no late fee on account of the store closing. Their position was that since he no longer worked there, anything he had ever said, EVER is invalidated at the moment of his separation from the company. :confused:

I told them my position was that there are other rental places who aren't complete dimbulbs and never went there again. They closed all their stored within six months. I like to think I was responsible. :happy:

ROLLO!

RooJay
08-19-2002, 05:44 PM
Nowadays I only buy, and never rent.

On the topic of fast video/ DVD releases (and by the way, if you don't yet have a DVD player...get with the program, OK? ;) ); I've always tended to believe that if TPM had been rereleased to theaters rather than being released on video when was, and if the video weren't released until at least four months after that, the movie would've thoroughly trounced Titanic's box office record. Maybe I'm wrong. We'll never know. I much preferred when movies weren't released for home viewing until at least a year after; gave us a lot more time to view it in the theater as was intended.

Eternal Padawan
08-20-2002, 08:46 AM
They did a rerelease of TPM for some charity thing about six months after it's initial release and it did dismal business at the B.O.

ROLLO!

icatch9
08-20-2002, 08:53 AM
It did dismal becasue it was out only in limited theaters and they didn't even promote it. I thought it'd come back out during the xmas season to push the toys. They didn't do that and it stopped at $400 million and change. Oh well. I too think if it had been released in the theaters with a proper ads it would have done very well and sunk Titianics record. Beside who even likes Titanic anymore anyhow?

RooJay
08-21-2002, 06:21 PM
Originally posted by Eternal Padawan
They did a rerelease of TPM for some charity thing about six months after it's initial release and it did dismal business at the B.O.

ROLLO!

How much were the tickets to this charity screening? That could well have been a factor. I have to admit to never having heard about this; I probably would've paid to see it again if the tickets were regularly priced. ;)