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OriginalBryGuy
08-07-2002, 12:53 PM
Pop ups suck. I was sad to see sirsteves go to that level.

Jonna
08-07-2002, 12:54 PM
What pop-up??? I completely missed it! What page is it on???

DarthBrandon
08-07-2002, 12:57 PM
Originally posted by OriginalBryGuy
Pop ups suck. I was sad to see sirsteves go to that level.

Pop ups suck, I agree with that, but sirsteves has to have sponsors to keep this site running. Without them it would be way too costly to support. :)

DarthBrandon
08-07-2002, 12:57 PM
Originally posted by Jonna
What pop-up??? I completely missed it! What page is it on???

It's on the opening page Jonna.:) It only stays on for a couple of seconds and then it goes into the left hand corner of the screen.

2-1B
08-07-2002, 01:02 PM
I don't like it,
but I won't squeeze Steve's shoes over it. We've talked about it before, they know we don't like it so I'm sure it's done out of strict financial necessity. :)

Beast
08-07-2002, 01:05 PM
It's not as bad as some sites. I know some sites that actually spawn multiple new windows to try to sell you stuff. This may not actually be Sir Steve's fault though. Remeber that SSG is part of a larger company, and he has said in the past that they are the ones that work out the advertising deals. :)

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

OriginalBryGuy
08-07-2002, 01:06 PM
I don't like it,
but I won't squeeze Steve's shoes over it. We've talked about it before, they know we don't like it so I'm sure it's done out of strict financial necessity


Pop ups suck, I agree with that, but sirsteves has to have sponsors to keep this site running. Without them it would be way too costly to support.

I totally understand. I just think a lot of sites have been doing just fine without pop ups. All pop ups do is make people want to come to the site less, and if that happens neither the site, or whatever it's promoting gets viewed.

Ads in and of themselves are fine, and I see the needs. Pop ups...are a little too blatant in my opinion, and unecessary.

billfremore
08-07-2002, 01:07 PM
Funny, I've never seen it.
I just loaded up the main page again and it wasn't there.

What's the pop-up for?

Beast
08-07-2002, 01:09 PM
It was for those new toys, Galidor. With the lil pieces that connect so you can change the figures by added new arms and stuff. :)

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

billfremore
08-07-2002, 01:11 PM
Hmmm...

I still don't see it, no matter how many times I reload the page.

"Some pop-up just moved past my leg"

"Where?"

Jonna
08-07-2002, 01:12 PM
Originally posted by billfremore
Hmmm...

I still don't see it, no matter how many times I reload the page.

Hit your computer and maybe that will fix the problem.

billfremore
08-07-2002, 01:14 PM
You mean a hard or soft boot?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA AH!!!!!!!

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

I kill me! :D

Beast
08-07-2002, 01:14 PM
It's gone for me also, won't pop back up. Sir Steve was just on-line, so he may have nuked it when he first saw the thread complaining about it. Give him a little while, and I am sure he will post some info. :)

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

OriginalBryGuy
08-07-2002, 01:40 PM
Again, I understand advertising being a needed necessity, but there's no reason a pop up be used instead of a static graphic on the front page ever. Sirsteves front page has a lot of white space - use it.

:D

JEDIpartner
08-07-2002, 02:12 PM
I've seen the ad, which was animated, but it never came up as a pop-up for me. Personally- I don't care if it's just ONE pop-up. I hate it when you get one, close it out, get a second one, close IT, and get like three more afterward. Now THAT'S annoying.

JediTricks
08-07-2002, 03:12 PM
I haven't seen it yet, but SSG's popups lately have been only 1 per day so this is probably the same thing.

Anyway, Saga is the wrong section for this, so I'm moving it to... um... decisions decisions... MISC! (it was a toss up between MISC and Comments/Suggestions)

billfremore
08-07-2002, 03:13 PM
Say JT maybe we could have a new section called "Pointless Threads"

Nahh, that thing'd be full in a couple of hours :D ;)

SirSteve
08-07-2002, 03:20 PM
It only shows up once every 3 hours and disappears after it does it's thing. They are called "eyeblasters" and they are what the major companies want to use.

Keep your comments coming though.

OriginalBryGuy
08-07-2002, 03:27 PM
It only shows up once every 3 hours and disappears after it does it's thing. They are called "eyeblasters" and they are what the major companies want to use.

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Heh heh. Eyeblasters...is that what their calling Pop Ups now? That's like asking a teen today how she likes wearing bellbottoms and her coming back with, "Uh...these are NOT bellbottoms, they're Flairs!"

Didn't George Carlin do a whole stand up routine on euphemisms?

Beast
08-07-2002, 03:28 PM
Thanks for the info, Sir Steve. Atleast it's only once every 3 hours, and is confined as far as I can tell to the front page. So most of us poor souls that spend all of our time in the forums will hardly ever see them. :D

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

OriginalBryGuy
08-07-2002, 03:30 PM
Say JT maybe we could have a new section called "Pointless Threads"

Nahh, that thing'd be full in a couple of hours

Wow, did you go to joke school for that one?

Beast
08-07-2002, 03:33 PM
Originally posted by OriginalBryGuy
Wow, did you go to joke school for that one?
Yes, he was our class validvictorian. :)

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

billfremore
08-07-2002, 03:34 PM
Originally posted by OriginalBryGuy


Wow, did you go to joke school for that one?

Yes.
Yes I did.

Funny wasn't it? :p

Pendo
08-07-2002, 03:34 PM
It doesn't bother me! If it helps to keep SirSteve's up and running then I'm all for it. I wouldn't survive without this site so I think I can handle one little pop up.

PENDO!

SirSteve
08-07-2002, 03:35 PM
Oh yes, sorry, forgot to mention that but they are only on the home page.

billfremore
08-07-2002, 03:36 PM
Great!
But I swear if see one of those damn online casino ones...

it's NERF™ bat time! :D

SirSteve
08-07-2002, 03:42 PM
Originally posted by billfremore
Great!
But I swear if see one of those damn online casino ones...

it's NERF™ bat time! :D

:)

We tend to stick with toy related ads.

Beast
08-07-2002, 03:42 PM
If I ever see one of those Bill, I will help you beat Sir Steve with the NERF™ crotch bat. You can handle the crotch missle. :D

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

billfremore
08-07-2002, 03:49 PM
Originally posted by SirSteve


:)

We tend to stick with toy related ads.

Good, otherwise me and Jar Jar are coming after you with an all out NERF™ assault :D ;)

Jonna
08-07-2002, 03:52 PM
Jar Jar please do not talk about crotch missles. You're scaring the children!

hango fett
08-07-2002, 04:03 PM
i have yet to see any ad. but those casino ones ARE a pain!
h.

JangoFart
08-07-2002, 04:43 PM
Chalk up my vote in the "Hates It" category!

At the VERY LEAST get the dang thing out of the MIDDLE of the page!!

ugh....


J

QLD
08-07-2002, 04:47 PM
Man, the wrestling site I go to is sooooo bad. Like 15 pop ups every time you load a page. And they even started a premier membership, so people could pay to not have pop ups. I refuse to pay to read about wrestling, or anything else on the internet really, so every article I read, 15 pop ups appear. They have cornered off half of their content to premium members, And they constantly moan about how they have to keep adding more to keepthe site up. I know they need money, but christ, if there is more ad then site, I think it better to just go ahead and close. Because there is no site on the internet we can't live without.

Beast
08-07-2002, 04:48 PM
Middle of the page? It spawned in the upper left hand corner for me. Odd, oh well...if it keeps the site running and isn't to distracting, I don't much care. Besides it only appears every 3 hours, goes away after a few minutes, and is pretty small. I've seen pages with alot more irritating pop-ups. :)

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

SirSteve
08-07-2002, 05:36 PM
When it starts, you can hit the "X" to close it out. If you miss it, it will close by itself in 30 seconds or so.

Everyone complains about paying for features on an Internet site but when hosting fees are $1,000 a month + graphic work + programming + travel expenses to bring you coverage of shows + ohh.... it doesn't matter. I guess if you can't hold something in your hands (or make a buck when you sell something like ebay does), it's hard to get someone to pay for something.

We try very much to balance out the ads and when a major company wants to advertise, it gives us the opportunity to take that money and bring you new/updated systems, as well as pay the bills to keep the site going.

Beast
08-07-2002, 05:41 PM
I understand Sir Steve. Many people don't understand exactly how much a site like this costs to keep running. Seriously guys, would you rather that Sir Steve had to make the Forums a subscription service just to keep the site going? Keep up the good work Sir Steve, alot of us do appreciate what you have to do to keep this site up and running. :)

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

SirSteve
08-07-2002, 05:43 PM
Originally posted by JarJarBinks
I understand Sir Steve. Most peopel don't understand how much a site like this costs to keep running. Seriously guys, would you rather that Sir Steve had to make the Forums a subscription service just to keep the site going? Keep up the good work Sir Steve, alot of us do appreciate what you have to do to keep this site up and running. :)

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

We just bought another server JUST for the forums as they are really growing. That's another $400 a month assuming we don't go over our bandwidth limit. Plus, it will also make room for an upcoming feature to the forums. :)

Pendo
08-07-2002, 05:44 PM
I'd be happy if Sir Steve had 50 popups on his main page as long as it kept the site up and running! Popups are easily closed so it doesn't bother me, and the money helps fund for my favourite forums :). Would you rather have no popups but have to pay to use this great place, or get this place for free and get a small popup appear?


Originally posted by SirSteve
Plus, it will also make room for an upcoming feature to the forums. :)

NEW FEATURE?!? :D Any hint as to what it is Sir Steve?? I'm looking forward to it ;).

PENDO!

Beast
08-07-2002, 05:48 PM
Originally posted by SirSteve
We just bought another server JUST for the forums as they are really growing. That's another $400 a month assuming we don't go over our bandwidth limit. Plus, it will also make room for an upcoming feature to the forums. :)
An upcoming feature to the forums? Don't just tempt our tummy with the taste of nuts and honey, give us another hint. Could this be that new forums software that allows you to add multiple attachments to each post? :D

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

SirSteve
08-07-2002, 06:09 PM
No on the multiple attachments but you are close. Let's just say it has to do with pictures...

The new version of the forums is soon to be out with a butt-load of new features! Hopefully it'll be out within the next few months.

Beast
08-07-2002, 06:14 PM
Oh, the expanded personal profile pages with the ability to upload a picture. Glad to see that making a comeback. That should make people that wanna show off their faces happy. I'll choose to remain the mysterious Gungan though, thanks. :D

A butt-load of new features? Wow, that could be alot of new features depending how big of a butt you're talking about. Are we talking about a Cartman butt, or a Starvin' Marvin one? ;) :D

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

SirSteve
08-07-2002, 08:07 PM
Originally posted by JarJarBinks
Oh, the expanded personal profile pages with the ability to upload a picture. Glad to see that making a comeback. That should make people that wanna show off their faces happy. I'll choose to remain the mysterious Gungan though, thanks. :D

This will be in the new version but that's not it either. We are getting off topic here so if you do a post somewhere else, I may give you some details on the new features coming up.

rynobot
08-07-2002, 09:34 PM
Originally posted by SirSteve
When it starts, you can hit the "X" to close it out. If you miss it, it will close by itself in 30 seconds or so.

Everyone complains about paying for features on an Internet site but when hosting fees are $1,000 a month + graphic work + programming + travel expenses to bring you coverage of shows + ohh.... it doesn't matter. I guess if you can't hold something in your hands (or make a buck when you sell something like ebay does), it's hard to get someone to pay for something.

We try very much to balance out the ads and when a major company wants to advertise, it gives us the opportunity to take that money and bring you new/updated systems, as well as pay the bills to keep the site going.

I don't know SS, you looked pretty well off to me hanging out with rap stars and all. ;)

hango fett
08-07-2002, 09:45 PM
sir steve, will the new forums let me back as hango fett? the last time you re-did it i couldn't log back in!
h.

Lowly Bantha Cleaner
08-07-2002, 09:46 PM
I have no complaints about pop-up ads. I understand that they pay the bills so I wouldn't hesitate about using them. If they really bother some people, they can always click the little X in the top right corner as soon as the ad pops-up. It takes just a few seconds.

A new version of the forums? Just because it is August doesn't mean you have to change them. I like these forums just the way they are. But if you are trying to incorporate new features onto the site that would improve the overall quality, then be my guest. I have no beefs with that.

SirSteve
08-07-2002, 11:53 PM
Originally posted by hango fett
sir steve, will the new forums let me back as hango fett? the last time you re-did it i couldn't log back in!
h.

yes it will. It's just an UPGRADE to these forums. Will will continue to maintain this user database for future projects so no more starting over!

hango fett
08-08-2002, 08:57 AM
thank you! i really didn't want to get 1270 post back.....
thanks again!
h.
BTW when will this upgrade happen?

Beast
08-08-2002, 09:16 AM
Originally posted by hango fett
BTW when will this upgrade happen?
If you would have read Sir Steve's posts in the thread, he says that he's hopeful it will be available in a few months time.


Originally posted by SirSteve
The new version of the forums is soon to be out with a butt-load of new features! Hopefully it'll be out within the next few months.

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

scruffziller
08-08-2002, 09:41 AM
You may hate pop ups, you may hate commercials on TV, and you may hate junk mail but it is essential to the stability of the economy. Those things help pay your bills. You may not see it that way because you initially only think of it as what it is doing at that point for you, but for someone else it is providing an interest and a business dealing connection. Internet businessmen, back me up here.

hango fett
08-08-2002, 09:47 AM
sorry, JJB, i forgot about that post...i read it, just really fast..:rolleyes:
HF.

OriginalBryGuy
08-08-2002, 12:26 PM
You may hate pop ups, you may hate commercials on TV, and you may hate junk mail but it is essential to the stability of the economy. Those things help pay your bills. You may not see it that way because you initially only think of it as what it is doing at that point for you, but for someone else it is providing an interest and a business dealing connection. Internet businessmen, back me up here.

There are also many people who would pay a premium not to get any of it.


Everyone complains about paying for features on an Internet site but when hosting fees are $1,000 a month + graphic work + programming + travel expenses to bring you coverage of shows + ohh.... it doesn't matter. I guess if you can't hold something in your hands (or make a buck when you sell something like ebay does), it's hard to get someone to pay for something.

We try very much to balance out the ads and when a major company wants to advertise, it gives us the opportunity to take that money and bring you new/updated systems, as well as pay the bills to keep the site going..

Steve, the site is great, but it's not the ONLY site out there. Welcome to the internet. We aren't asking you to spend that much on us in the first place. And you're right, we can easily go somewhere else to get news/info.

My only gripe in the first place was the popup in the first place. Make a static graphic instead and all is fine.

Do I really have to give you a long list of how popups actually decrease web traffic or does that even matter?

Exhaust Port
08-08-2002, 01:28 PM
Originally posted by scruffziller
You may hate pop ups, you may hate commercials on TV, and you may hate junk mail but it is essential to the stability of the economy. Those things help pay your bills.

Commericals and pop-ups pay the bills of the service providers not the users. We still have to pay for our own computer, electricity, ISP, etc. whether or not we visit a site utilizing pop-ups. Now if someone could come up with a system that would allow for pop-ups/commericals that gave the internet service to the users for free (similar to broadcast TV) than I'm sure there would be a lot less complaints.

Junk mail doesn't pay anyone's bills, its just a nusance that drags the US PS down. It's pure evil just like tele-marketers.

SirSteve
08-08-2002, 01:33 PM
Originally posted by OriginalBryGuy


There are also many people who would pay a premium not to get any of it.



Steve, the site is great, but it's not the ONLY site out there. Welcome to the internet. We aren't asking you to spend that much on us in the first place. And you're right, we can easily go somewhere else to get news/info.

My only gripe in the first place was the popup in the first place. Make a static graphic instead and all is fine.

Do I really have to give you a long list of how popups actually decrease web traffic or does that even matter?

They are doing what they are supposed to, getting your attention. It's a month long campaign. Look, we only have ONE pop-up. Not 5 and only on the home page. We even have it set for once every 3 hours. You can turn it off as soon as it starts. Sure, you could go some place else but if it were not for these ads paying the bills, you indeed WOULD be going someplace else. Unlike some other sites, I am not loaded and therefore have to have ads. Even StarWars.com has pop-ups. I am not looking to make a profit, just pay the bills and put any left over money back into the site.

billfremore
08-08-2002, 01:53 PM
Yeah!
So everybody get off Steve's back! :D

I for one would rather not have to pay to be here so I'd be willing to put up with more pop-ups just to avoid it.

Fine site you got here Steve, keep up the good work!* :D

* Yes I'm sucking up, no need to tell me

darthvyn
08-08-2002, 01:55 PM
Originally posted by SirSteve


They are doing what they are supposed to, getting your attention. It's a month long campaign. Look, we only have ONE pop-up. Not 5 and only on the home page. We even have it set for once every 3 hours. You can turn it off as soon as it starts. Sure, you could go some place else but if it were not for these ads paying the bills, you indeed WOULD be going someplace else.

yeah, it's really not that bad AT ALL!!! compared to other places. i really don't see what all the kaffuffle is about...


Originally posted by SirSteve
Unlike some other sites, I am not loaded and therefore have to have ads. Even StarWars.com has pop-ups. We are not looking to make a profit, just pay the bills and put any left over money back into the site.

and starwars.com has those GAWD-AWFUL flash ads that are huge, and pop up above the thing you want to read, and you can't get rid of!!! i hate those things... i don't think i've been back to starwars.com more than three times since i saw that one!!!

JediTricks
08-08-2002, 03:38 PM
I was just coming to this thread to mention how annoying StarWars.com's popups are. For a site owned by a billionaire that's advertising his products which means the site makes him money just by existing, I don't understand why EVERY SINGLE PAGE over there needs a huge pop-up advertisement for something usually totally unrelated to SW.

hango fett
08-08-2002, 05:58 PM
amen, jeditricks! they are very annoying and it's right when your trying to find something!!!
:frus:
h.

darthvyn
08-08-2002, 06:35 PM
Originally posted by JediTricks
I was just coming to this thread to mention how annoying StarWars.com's popups are. For a site owned by a billionaire that's advertising his products which means the site makes him money just by existing, I don't understand why EVERY SINGLE PAGE over there needs a huge pop-up advertisement for something usually totally unrelated to SW.

i thought the only useful pop-up on that site was the one with the frontpage, where you could type in your zip code and get a list of theaters playing the movie. other than that...

thhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhrrrrrrrrrrrppppp!!!!

plasticfetish
08-08-2002, 10:07 PM
Originally posted by JediTricks
For a site owned by a billionaire that's advertising his products which means the site makes him money just by existing, I don't understand why EVERY SINGLE PAGE over there needs a huge pop-up advertisement for something usually totally unrelated to SW.


ummm ... there is a reason WHY he is a "billionaire".

Besides, get used to it guys ... the age of the "free" Internet is over. Within 5 years and an increase in the average connection speed, you can expect the Web to be as ad saturated as television (if not more so). The only thing we can hope for is ads that aren't too obnoxious ... perhaps even clever.

Exhaust Port
08-08-2002, 11:06 PM
The internet has never been free. We've all been paying $20-30 a month to use it.

There is nothing wrong with the occasional pop-up but the line is crossed when you're bombarded by pop-ups entering and exiting a website. With my 7 year old computer I'm often dragged down to a standstill for minutes while the CPU tries to get through the onslaught. I would hope in the future the internet is controlled better with specific outlines/guides if not as far as laws governing these advertisement attacks. I really hate it when some sites decide to link or use porn pop-ups. No warning and you've got some 18 year old naked on your screen. Thank goodness I don't have any children wanting to use the internet.

plasticfetish
08-08-2002, 11:48 PM
Originally posted by Exhaust Port
The internet has never been free. We've all been paying $20-30 a month to use it.

With my 7 year old computer I'm often dragged down to a standstill for minutes while the CPU tries to get through the onslaught.

I really hate it when some sites decide to link or use porn pop-ups.

Yeah, All true. All great points. I stand corrected.

We pay our provider for "access" to the Internet. Whether there is anything there to look at or not depends on whether someone can afford to publish content. I should correct my statement ... the age of "free" content is over. Think about all of the sites you may have gone to or shopped from 4 years ago and count how many are left. This site is unique in that it succeeds because everyone here WANTS it to.

The problem of an "older" computer vs. the newer "flashier" Internet is an important one. I'm on an early pentium laptop right now ... I get swamped by flash and avalanches of javascript all the time. (By the way, good for you for keeping and using your "older" computer. I don't believe in throwing away computers, there's always a use.) You can disable third party extensions in your browser settings ... but you may miss out on content.

Sadly ... porn is, has always been and will probably always be the number one money maker on the net. At least it's not the spy cam pop up.

I personally consider unwarranted pop ups to be a kind of invasion of my hard drive. It's a substandard way of advertising and I think it ultimately generates a dislike for whatever product is being promoted. Much in the same way that I personally hate those Carl's Jr. ads that involve people loudly eating awful food ... I would starve before I bought one of those hamburgers.

JediTricks
08-09-2002, 01:52 AM
Originally posted by plasticfetish
ummm ... there is a reason WHY he is a "billionaire".

Besides, get used to it guys ... the age of the "free" Internet is over. Within 5 years and an increase in the average connection speed, you can expect the Web to be as ad saturated as television (if not more so). The only thing we can hope for is ads that aren't too obnoxious ... perhaps even clever. Well, he's got 3 bil and yet all those pop-ups are driving people away from SW.com.

As for the popup situation, it is getting worse and the pop within a pop situation is just totally frustrating. This is why I use Netscape, which has easily-turned-off Javascript and Style Sheets.

scruffziller
08-09-2002, 09:41 AM
Originally posted by OriginalBryGuy


There are also many people who would pay a premium not to get any of it.



Thus filling in the gaps where the revenue will not be generated.

Originally posted by Exhaust Port


Commericals and pop-ups pay the bills of the service providers not the users. We still have to pay for our own computer, electricity, ISP, etc. whether or not we visit a site utilizing pop-ups. Now if someone could come up with a system that would allow for pop-ups/commericals that gave the internet service to the users for free (similar to broadcast TV) than I'm sure there would be a lot less complaints.

Junk mail doesn't pay anyone's bills, its just a nusance that drags the US PS down. It's pure evil just like tele-marketers.

What I mean by it paying your bills is that it all comes full circle. The company that you work for that gives you a job is probably doing something right now in the form of advertising that is making somebody annoyed right now. But on the other hand it is establishing business with the other people that are not annoyed but are recognizing it for its purpose. You can't get a date unless you ask, doesn't mean you may not get slapped or turned down. You can't please everyone. If we all did this and did not look at the big picture then nothing would ever get done. Now Exhaust Port, right now you are benefitting from telemarketers. I was a telemarketer for 5 years. Because I was, I got enough money to buy this computer and internet service and you have the joy of talking with me on these forums:D :kiss: (just joking about the kiss). Now the junk mail, and telemarketing, if it is nothing more than a nuisance than a way of establishing business then why is it still being done?:rolleyes: 2 words, MONEY TALKS.

OriginalBryGuy
08-09-2002, 09:50 AM
They are doing what they are supposed to, getting your attention. It's a month long campaign. Look, we only have ONE pop-up. Not 5 and only on the home page. We even have it set for once every 3 hours. You can turn it off as soon as it starts. Sure, you could go some place else but if it were not for these ads paying the bills, you indeed WOULD be going someplace else. Unlike some other sites, I am not loaded and therefore have to have ads. Even StarWars.com has pop-ups. I am not looking to make a profit, just pay the bills and put any left over money back into the site.

You're just not hearing me. If you allow one and think it's ok, then that just paves the way for more. Pop ups get our attention yes, but they also make people click on the ad accidently instead of clicking on the links they want to. It's intrusive, and lowbrow because the implication is a site that uses pop ups is going to know people are going accidently click it, hence hits, hence you get paid at the expense and distaste of your visitors. Sad....very sad.

I'm not saying stop pay the bills. You have to if you want to keep the site running. Just find a way to do it without any pop ups at all. It can be done. That's how I run my site! Otherwise you're only hurting yourself and driving people away.

scruffziller
08-09-2002, 09:59 AM
Originally posted by OriginalBryGuy


You're just not hearing me. If you allow one and think it's ok, then that just paves the way for more. Pop ups get our attention yes, but they also make people click on the ad accidently instead of clicking on the links they want to. It's intrusive, and lowbrow because the implication is a site that uses pop ups is going to know people are going accidently click it, hence hits, hence you get paid at the expense and distaste of your visitors. Sad....very sad.

I'm not saying stop pay the bills. You have to if you want to keep the site running. Just find a way to do it without any pop ups at all. It can be done. That's how I run my site! Otherwise you're only hurting yourself and driving people away.

Winning the war does not mean that you will be unscathed from death and destruction.

OriginalBryGuy
08-09-2002, 10:06 AM
Winning the war does not mean that you will be unscathed from death and destruction.

Dogs barking can't fly without umbrella...

I'm sorry, what "war" are you talking about. We're talking about annoying popups...

Exhaust Port
08-09-2002, 10:08 AM
I agree that a company must advertise to keep itself in the public eye but some seem to cross the line quite often. Online companies are somewhat different than their brick and mortar counterparts in that most are forced to advertise on the internet exclusively. I personally respond better to the embedded advertisements similar to those found on this site than the pop-ups. Some advertisements push the limits with their frequent pop-ups.

As much as I enjoy your presence on the forums I don't think that can justify telemarketing to me. Agreed that salaries paid to those employees finds its way into the marketplace keeping the economy going. No matter what it provides the economy, I find it to be a huge annoyance. My favorite sentance is "Please put me on your no-call list."

scruffziller
08-09-2002, 12:13 PM
Originally posted by OriginalBryGuy


Dogs barking can't fly without umbrella...

I'm sorry, what "war" are you talking about. We're talking about annoying popups...

As the Joker said, "You can't make an omlet without breaking some eggs."

The omlet=Paycheck. Broken eggs=consumers(perhaps yourself) annoyed by select methods of advertising.

The war................... everyone's financial well being.


Originally posted by Exhaust Port
I agree that a company must advertise to keep itself in the public eye but some seem to cross the line quite often. Online companies are somewhat different than their brick and mortar counterparts in that most are forced to advertise on the internet exclusively. I personally respond better to the embedded advertisements similar to those found on this site than the pop-ups. Some advertisements push the limits with their frequent pop-ups.

As much as I enjoy your presence on the forums I don't think that can justify telemarketing to me. Agreed that salaries paid to those employees finds its way into the marketplace keeping the economy going. No matter what it provides the economy, I find it to be a huge annoyance. My favorite sentance is "Please put me on your no-call list."

Yes I do agree that there are times when advertising is to an extreme, but the only thing I can think of is when you would visit an "adult" site and so many pop up adds pop on the screen that you can't even look at the site you went to and interferes with your functionability of the medium they are using to show you their ad in which it becomes useless to you, if you want nonstop advertising you would watch the Home Shopping Network. You want to use your computer for other things. Also where telemarkerters are calling you nonstop tying up the phone to the point where the use of the phone is useless because you can't use it for anything else but for a telemarketer to call you. As a matter of fact the DO-NOT call list and those CALL MANAGER features for your phone are the best thing to happen to telemarketing. For one it helps us to channel our funds into calls of people who WILL listen. Cutting phone expenses and saving time by finding the people who will buy; faster, more money faster. It made my job easier. I could let the person go if they said that or if the message came on told you to hang up. Nothing is more fun sitting at a desk all day, getting paid $9-$10/hour, talking to the homies while you just keep switching calls that you don't talk to anybody. Heck our own manager at our company had that on his office phone. You'd think he would not just to support others like him. You know, one for the cause!! Woo hoo!!! Not so. Plus too, how can a person enjoy the product or service we sold him or work to make the money to buy it if he is on the phone 24/7 talking to telemarketers. Bottom line there has to be a balance. Some just draw the line a little thicker than others. I for one honor advertising in any method as long as it does severely interfere with the usefulness of the medium I am using.

InsaneJediGirl
08-09-2002, 12:36 PM
I havent had a problem with this pop-up.Anyways,I normally just click the popup off before the image/text can load.

If it helps pay SSG bills,its fine with me.At least there are not 3 flashing banners per page.:rolleyes: Those are annoying.

OriginalBryGuy
08-09-2002, 12:50 PM
As the Joker said, "You can't make an omlet without breaking some eggs."

The omlet=Paycheck. Broken eggs=consumers(perhaps yourself) annoyed by select methods of advertising.

The war................... everyone's financial well being.

I respectfully disagree. You can make a paycheck without popup ads. It's been done. As said before. Lots of white space on sirsteves front page. Use it.

scruffziller
08-09-2002, 01:05 PM
Originally posted by OriginalBryGuy


I respectfully disagree. You can make a paycheck without popup ads. It's been done. As said before. Lots of white space on sirsteves front page. Use it.

Yea I can swallow that........... Can it be flashing and have sound effects GOODY GOODY!!!!!!:crazed:

2-1B
08-09-2002, 01:07 PM
And as stated before, advertisers really like to use a pop up sometimes . . . so is a site owner supposed to force the "white space" onto a sponsor that doesn't even want it? That's just foolish. :stupid:

I don't see what the big deal is. It's not like I'm paying to use this site - if I were then I might justify a 5 page debate on how awful it is. But it's free so I could care less. It took me all of 0.4 seconds to click off the Master Replicas ad, and I'm just as successful with this current one (I've not even seen enough of it to tell you what they are advertising).

If people are clicking on a single pop up (not a myriad of junk) by accident, I would suggest to them that they exercise greater care in their clicking. ;)

billfremore
08-09-2002, 01:21 PM
Just get a program that doesn't allow pop-ups.
Problem solved.

I can't believe this discussion has gone on this long.

Beast
08-09-2002, 01:37 PM
Well, you know what Star Wars fans do best most of the time Bill. They are masters at complaining and nitpicking. I offer this challenge to OriginalBryGuy, go and make your own website. Make it as good as this site is, and as popular, and show me how you pay the bills for running it. Same with the people that complain about the figures. Make them yourself, and show me how you would do so much better. :rolleyes: :D

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

OriginalBryGuy
08-09-2002, 01:46 PM
Well, you know what Star Wars fans do best most of the time Bill. They are masters at complaining and nitpicking. I offer this challenge to OriginalBryGuy, go and make your own website. Make it as good as this site is, and as popular, and show me how you pay the bills for running it.

What is this, some kind of needless attack? JarJarBinks, I can't believe you've posted more then 4,000+ times yet resort to this type of thing. Honestly, have you even been reading my posts at all? I'm not against Steve or his site, and a simple complaint about popups is nothing new, nor is it a nitpick.

If you must check out my site.

http://www.originalplots.com

It still needs lots of work, but I have gotten a couple mentions in USATODAY thankyouverymuch. The only flash advertisment I have is for the site itself, so bring it.:D

It also doesn't deal with Star Wars so it's obviously not as popular, but it should still be around long after Episode III comes out - and without any popups.

scruffziller
08-09-2002, 01:47 PM
Thanx Jar Jar for bringing that all into perspective.

OriginalBryGuy
08-09-2002, 01:49 PM
I can't believe this discussion has gone on this long.

And how does it get any shorter when you post things such as that?

scruffziller
08-09-2002, 01:59 PM
Originally posted by OriginalBryGuy


What is this, some kind of needless attack? JarJarBinks, I can't believe you've posted more then 4,000+ times yet resort to this type of thing. Honestly, have you even been reading my posts at all? I'm not against Steve or his site, and a simple complaint about popups is nothing new, nor is it a nitpick.

If you must check out my site.

http://www.originalplots.com

It still needs lots of work, but I have gotten a couple mentions in USATODAY thankyouverymuch. The only flash advertisment I have is for the site itself, so bring it.:D

It also doesn't deal with Star Wars so it's obviously not as popular, but it should still be around long after Episode III comes out - and without any popups.
The animation off to the side grabs my attention.:)

OriginalBryGuy
08-09-2002, 02:04 PM
The animation off to the side grabs my attention.

How very correct you are. And you'll notice how it's NOT a popup. It can be done. Thanks for helping me illustrate my point even more scruffziller.

Beast
08-09-2002, 02:04 PM
The site is plain but ok, but yes the side bar ad is annoying as hell. And I can't close it, like I can the sporadic SSG pop-up ad. And yours is always running, not just every 3 hours. :happy: :D

Plus it's nowhere's near as complex or expensive to keep running monthly as Sir Steve's site is. Again, you are comparing apples to oranges. :)

If you wanna give your site a giant forums, as well as a huge database, and start getting a few millions hits, then you have a right to complain that you can do it better and cheaper. :D

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

OriginalBryGuy
08-09-2002, 02:09 PM
The site is plain but ok, but yes the side bar ad is annoying as hell. And I can't close it, like I can the sporadic SSG pop-up ad.

Plus it's nowhere's near as complex or expensive to keep running monthly as Sir Steve's site is. Again, you are comparing apples to oranges.

If you wanna give your site a giant forums, as well as a huge database, and start getting a few millions hits, then you have a right to complain that you can do it better and cheaper.

Being jealous won't help you. Points for living up to your name tho.

Folks, JarJarBinks is losing his sanity, and obviously doesn't get what I'm trying to say at all. Also note I made clear my site not only needed work, but wasn't going to be as popular before Binks's lame attempt at a responce. See, what he's trying to do is create the idea that I'm trying to say my site is somehow "better" then sirsteve's to make me look bad. That's just not the case. I'm trying to illustrate that sites (and you can view them anywhere) can live without popups.

My simple point from the beginning.

Web sites can survive with no pop ups. Learn it. Know it. Live it.

Beast
08-09-2002, 02:20 PM
Jealous, how am I jealous? Now who's lost their sanity. Seriously, you act like you know best for this site. Sir Steve has to pay the bills, and if he can do it in a way that isn't overly annoying, cool.

If you're going to attack my sanity, I think you need a more convincing argument then the one you are trying to use. It wasn't a lame response, you seem to think you know better then Sir Steve how to run a website.

You sir, are simply paranoid. All I said was that the bills Sir Steve has for running this site are alot more then you are paying to run that one. And if he has to have an occassional pop-up ad to keep the site free and up and running, then good for him.

At least it's a small pop-up and not actually opening new ad windows like many sites that I know. Yakface.com has 2 spawning windows now, so that is a hell of alot worse then a minor pop-up that only shows up every 3 hours.

Finally, maybe your website or other websites can survive without pop-ups, but maybe not all of them can. Whatever pays the bills, as long as it isn't to annoying and forces me to look at them. :)

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

OriginalBryGuy
08-09-2002, 02:29 PM
Finally, maybe your website or other websites can survive without pop-ups, but maybe not all of them can.

Welcome back to the real debate of this whole thread. You say some can't live without popups. Whatever. Great. If that's what helps you sleep at night.

I on the other hand disagree. Popups are the no better then e-mail spam in many peoples eyes. They detract from overall look of a site.

One click to close a popup window is one added click it takes for the viewer to get to the information they want, pure and simple.

Beast
08-09-2002, 02:40 PM
I never left the real debate of the thread, and you seem to be the only one with any real complaint about the minor pop-up on Sir Steve's site. Everyone else has either not even noticed it, not cared, or just accepted it. :)

You can disagree all you want, but it's not stopping people from getting to the info they seek. The pop-up appears, and then shrinks down to a small window in the top left-hand corner. It even disapears after a while. I'm sure that Sir Steve would gladly accept that you pay the same ammount that the pop-up generates, and then you won't have to see the pop-up and the bills still get paid. :)

Comparing it to E-Mail spam is one of the silliest thing I have ever read on this site, and that is saying somthing. E-Mail is sent to you, you are forced to look at it and delete it. That is a hell of alot different then the minor pop-up Sir Steve is using. Or does your E-Mail only get spam every 3 hours, and then close it after a while? ;) :D

Seriously, if one added click is turning people off from the info they seek, then I feel bad for america and humanity. Are people that lazy then they can click all day looking around on the net, but a minor pop-up ad sends them into a tizzy. :rolleyes: :p

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

Exhaust Port
08-09-2002, 03:14 PM
In the defense of OriginalBryGuy, I really liked his site. There is a lot to be said for the "less is more" style of design. It's something we're seeing less and less of now-a-days as people are tacking on more and more garbage to their sites to make it flashy and eye-catching. I wish more would return to this style and concentrate on the content not the "flash."

Now I don't know squat about building/maintaining websites but there are more than one way to skin a cat it seems. SSG is a great site that provides quite a cornacopia of information for free and it only has one occasional pop-up. It's not the end of the world just a lot of people are concerned that a trend has started. I remember many early sites that started with the one occasional pop-up that soon turned into pop-up hell. Nothing turns away visiters quicker.

OriginalBryGuy
08-09-2002, 03:22 PM
Does anyone else feel this torment? haha..


..you seem to be the only one with any real complaint about the minor pop-up on Sir Steve's site

Am I? Really? Are you absolutely sure about that?:rolleyes:


I'm sure that Sir Steve would gladly accept that you pay the same ammount that the pop-up generates, and then you won't have to see the pop-up and the bills still get paid.

Where does stuff like this even come from. Again, quit trying to turn the debate into me vs. Steve. It's just not going to happen and no one is fooled. It's obvious Steve is going to leave the popup whether we say 'yea' or 'nay' about it. That's NOT THE ISSUE OR MY POINT HERE.:rolleyes:


E-Mail is sent to you, you are forced to look at it and delete it.

So when I open a page and a popup ad appears that page isn't forcing me to see the ad? Hmm....the comparison doesn't sound so silly to me at all.


Seriously, if one added click is turning people off from the info they seek, then I feel bad for america and humanity

It's actually been proven that people will stay less at a site if it takes longer to find what they're looking for. One popup isn't that big of a deal, but it still adds clicks. Star Wars sites are a dime a dozen so the less you have to go through to get information the better.


Are people that lazy then they can click all day looking around on the net, but a minor pop-up ad sends them into a tizzy.

No. People are annoyed with popups in general. But hey, you're right, why listen to what I say at all? Here's some links I'm sure you'll enjoy.

http://www.maestroawards.com/EN_art_36.shtml

http://news.com.com/2010-1078-281493.html

http://techupdate.zdnet.com/techupdate/stories/main/0,14179,2876398,00.html

Those are just a few examples....

To Sith Lord, a heartfelt thanks!

bigbarada
08-09-2002, 03:46 PM
As far as pop-ups go, SSG's is minor and I rarely even notice it. Last time I checked it was selling some RPG book or something. Shows how well that ad works for the company doing the advertising. I only really pay attention to the ads on the top of each page (mainly because they are the first things to load up). Although I really hate those seizure-inducing flashing ads, since they make it impossible to even concentrate on what I am reading (not on SSG that is, but on several other non-pop-up sites I visit).

Nothing annoys me more than an all out assault from pop-up ads, which is why I no longer visit SW.com (that site has no useful or interesting info on it anyway).

That first link is some good advice OBG. I can't stand it when the site I visit screws around with my Back button or right mouse key. Whenever I find myself in a site like that, I make it a point to never visit it again. (Just like those disgusting Carl's Jr. ads that make me want to vomit. I used to eat there regularly until I saw those commercials, now I avoid it like the plague) I'm planning on taking Web Page Design classes in the Spring, so I will have to read through those articles more closely. Should be good advice to remember in the future.

All in all, SSG isn't that bad with one pretty tame ad. However, if it gets worse, I'll be one of the first to complain. (I know some sights, like Elfwood, use a donation system to pay the bills. The donations are completely voluntary, though, so I'm not sure if that would work for a site like this.)

OriginalBryGuy
08-09-2002, 03:51 PM
All in all, SSG isn't that bad with one pretty tame ad. However, if it gets worse, I'll be one of the first to complain.

Yes, yes, yes!! That's what I'm talking about. I just want to make sure SirSteve is aware of it before it gets any worse. I'd hate to see the site get bogged down with popups.

JediTricks
08-09-2002, 07:19 PM
Originally posted by OriginalBryGuy
Lots of white space on sirsteves front page. Use it. Just my 2 cents, but I think SSG has the absolute maximum amount of ads the page will accept. There are 9 standard non-pop ads on SSG's front page already (not counting Sponsor News), yet it's relatively balanced and doesn't look as much like a racecar as many of the other non-purchase sites I've visited lately. There are thousands of visitors on this site every day, a week ago there were HUNDREDS of thousands of visitors on this site all trying to cram their way in through the bandwidth at the same time to see the SDCC coverage. In order to let hundreds of thousands of visitors in at the same exact time, you need a potent network with either super-high-quality bandwidth or TONS of semi-reliable bandwidth, a fast server with tons of RAM, and robust programming that can stand up to the barrage - all of which costs a lot of money for a site that directly sells nothing. It is a juggling act to keep a site like this going, this is one of the reasons why I've repeatedly turned down offers to do other sites. And of course, the more ads you have, the less effective each one becomes which means the ad revenues go down which means you have to refocus your advertising less you go under and can no longer bring news to the readers

I'm sorry you don't like the pop-up, I haven't seen it personally so I can't comment on it, but from what everybody's descriptions on this thread have been, it sounds relatively harmless compared to most others in just this genre at this level of website.

While there are a select few who would pay to not get popped-at (though this alone makes me wonder why they don't just get Netscape with Javascript that's easily deactivated), the consensus of webmasters I have talked to about this is that offering this type of service would not only put additional strain on their servers and programming sorting out who gets the pop and who doesn't, but also alienate the bulk of the readers who didn't want to pay to visit a site. You think one little popup is bad now? Try going to a site like SW.com where they have a popup on each page and then the site decides to offer this "service" as a basic ransom against all the non-payers. Or how about those freemail places that did this very thing and then turned around and said "your money doesn't cover some of our pop-ups, sorry", unfortunately the situation is very 'damned if you do and damned if you don't' for webmasters... luckily, we surfers DO have a free option, turn off javascript.


This isn't a thread that should require bickering you guys, in this case, SSG doesn't seem to need much defending, Steve made his points and OBG seems to feel that it's not that bad as it is, but it shouldn't get any worse. That's fine because as long as I've been a reader here (twice as long as I've been a reporter), SSG has never had a pop-up situation worse than this that I've seen and I doubt it ever will.

SirSteve
08-09-2002, 07:47 PM
There will only be 1 pop-up/pop-under/eyeblaster, just on the home page and we cookie it so you don't see it every time you visit the page. Right now, eyeblasters are what the bigger companies want to pay for. My name is on the site so I will always make sure it is user friendly. Sure, the site would technically survive without the eyeblaster but it would back up our plans to roll out the new systems by several months or so. So, it was my decision. Do I accept the Lego campaign and put the money into the new/upgraded systems and have them online in a few months or do I say no and hopefully get them done by sometime next year? That is literally the case. I made the call to go with it. Why? To bring you guys (and gals) the best possible DB and Forums we can.

Period.

Lord Malakite
08-09-2002, 07:59 PM
Originally posted by SirSteve
There will only be 1 pop-up/pop-under/eyeblaster, just on the home page and we cookie it so you don't see it every time you visit the page. Right now, eyeblasters are what the bigger companies want to pay for. My name is on the site so I will always make sure it is user friendly. Sure, the site would technically survive without the eyeblaster but it would back up our plans to roll out the new systems by several months or so. So, it was my decision. Do I accept the Lego campaign and put the money into the new/upgraded systems and have them online in a few months or do I say no and hopefully get them done by sometime next year? That is literally the case. I made the call to go with it. Why? To bring you guys (and gals) the best possible DB and Forums we can.

Period.

Just as long as it dosen't get as bad as the ign video game websites' advertising/money problems, I'm happy. :) You can't even look at their message boards without paying $20 for it. :(

rynobot
08-09-2002, 08:55 PM
I hate pop up ads but ave yet to see Steves since I go stragiht to the forums. I hate ESPNs pop up ad, but its something I live with and I'm even an ESPN Insider meaning I pay ESPN for the inside scoop.

SirSteve
08-09-2002, 10:17 PM
Originally posted by rynobot
I hate pop up ads but ave yet to see Steves since I go stragiht to the forums. I hate ESPNs pop up ad, but its something I live with and I'm even an ESPN Insider meaning I pay ESPN for the inside scoop.

You get the inside scoop here for FREE! ;)

bigbarada
08-09-2002, 10:42 PM
I just saw the new one for the first time, and while it is more intrusive than the last one, it is still not a big deal. Not like that Game Boy Advance Wars game on SW.com that made you sit through an entire animated sequence of some girl coming up through the floor before even giving you the option to close it. That ad, by itself, was the main reason I quit visiting that site.:mad: Another really bad site, pop-up-wise, is ezboard (Jargo, Starfig and Mike Troxell can sympathize with me on this one) lately they have had a new one that pops up so big you can't close it or minimize it or anything. I have to Alt+F4 it to close it down. That one really sucks.

Oh well, it could be worse. No offense to your site OBG, but I think comparing your situation to SirSteve's would be like comparing Wal-Mart's daily maintenance fees with the local grocery store down the street. Two totally separate categories. Like I said, no offense to your site, I like it; but this is the big leagues we are talking here, kid.:p:D:D;)

plasticfetish
08-10-2002, 04:07 AM
Originally posted by SirSteve
There will only be 1 pop-up/pop-under/eyeblaster, just on the home page and we cookie it so you don't see it every time you visit the page. Right now, eyeblasters are what the bigger companies want to pay for. My name is on the site so I will always make sure it is user friendly. Sure, the site would technically survive without the eyeblaster but it would back up our plans to roll out the new systems by several months or so. So, it was my decision. Do I accept the Lego campaign and put the money into the new/upgraded systems and have them online in a few months or do I say no and hopefully get them done by sometime next year? That is literally the case. I made the call to go with it. Why? To bring you guys (and gals) the best possible DB and Forums we can.

Period.

That's a pretty respectable reply. This is certainly a first for me. In 8 years on the Web, I've never seen a person that runs a site of ANY kind offering up an explanation as to why they decided to publish an ad.

Over the years I have noticed that the quality and volume of this site has increased a great deal. If it requires a few "glaring" pop-ups to continue that trend ... then, so be it.

... aaaaand, is this ever true ...


Originally posted by Exhaust Port
There is a lot to be said for the "less is more" style of design.


Not to mention ... in this age of costly bandwidth, less is also more affordable.
The "best" advertising is the kind that gets you when you're not looking. The kind that creeps into your life and you don't even know or care if it's there. Unfortunately, This is a situation where design has nothing to do with it. It's all about pleasing the SPONSOR ... and the sponsor is KING.

So, go buy Legos!

:]

SirSteve
08-10-2002, 12:21 PM
Ok, how about this? We just made it so you only see it once every 24 hours! Does this make everyone happy now?

Jek Porky 2002
08-10-2002, 12:25 PM
Thanks Sir Steve, we didn't get it removed, but at least you listened and did something for us!

Pendo
08-10-2002, 12:31 PM
I say keep it at 3 hours (or whatever it was on)! That way SirSteve's will be getting more money to fund the site! Would you rather have one little pop up and a cool site, or no pop ups but a rubbish site? I'm all in favor of SirSteve's pop up!!!

I think SirSteve should put on about 50 pop ups on the main page for just one day and see how many people like that? Then when it's back to just one pop up people would appreciate it ;).

PENDO!

QLD
08-10-2002, 12:37 PM
NOOOOO STEVE!!!!!!!!!!

YOU MUST MAKE EVERYTHING AS I WISH!!!!!!!!!

THIS WILL NOW BECOME QUITE-LONG DONG'S STAR WARS GUIDE!!!!!!!!

ALSO YOU WILL SEND ME 5000 DOLLARS!!!!!!!!!!

AND THERE WILL BE LOTS OF POP UP ADS THAT WILL ADVERTISE MY GREATNESS!!!!!!!!!!!

THIS I COMMAND!!!!!!!!!!

Steve.......Steve.....STEVE!!!!!!......awww....com e back....hey.....awww come on....

rynobot
08-10-2002, 01:15 PM
maybe Steve should convert the front page to an ad for the first 10 seconds your there. ;)

SirSteve
08-10-2002, 11:55 PM
Originally posted by rynobot
maybe Steve should convert the front page to an ad for the first 10 seconds your there. ;)

Interesting idea... just like commercials...

:greedy:

hango fett
08-11-2002, 03:17 PM
thats the best idea i have heard yet! hehe! *thinking to myself*do it and i will run away and join the dark side*end thinking*
J/K! it's your site and you can do what you want! but i am gratefull that you take what we like into considerastion!!!!
thanks a million!
YF. 1300 post!
ps. send me 5000 dollars too!

scruffziller
08-11-2002, 03:39 PM
Or Sirsteve could just charge us for this site instead of using these ads.

rynobot
08-11-2002, 03:47 PM
if he charged I wouldn't come here, but if puts ads on the front page I don't care, because I never go to the front page.

Beast
08-11-2002, 03:48 PM
Originally posted by scruffziller
Or Sirsteve could just charge us for this site instead of using these ads.
Yeah, that will go over so much better with visitors to the site, then a small ad will. :crazed: :p

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

Thumb Wars
08-11-2002, 09:05 PM
the ads never really bothered me because i could click them off and that was it. unlike some other sites i have been to, when you close one, 4 others pop up in its place. very frustrating!!! SirSteve, i have no problems with you ads and i for one am very glad you do have people who will pay for ads. this way you can still deliver a kick butt site to all of us, without any charges!!

thanks again SirSteve!!!!

OriginalBryGuy
08-11-2002, 10:00 PM
Bigbarda ignorantly said: No offense to your site OBG, but I think comparing your situation to SirSteve's would be like comparing Wal-Mart's daily maintenance fees with the local grocery store down the street. Two totally separate categories. Like I said, no offense to your site, I like it; but this is the big leagues we are talking here, kid.

That's what you call adding insult to injury. Evidently you didn't read my post responding to JarJarBinks lame attack. You're obviously no better in that regards then he was so in stead of repeating myself I'll let you go back and read it.

I'm not comparing my site to Steve's. I'm illustrating the point that a site can survive without popups. And to make your comment about my site sound even more ridiculous I'll quote Sirsteve himself.


SirSteve said: Sure, the site would technically survive without the eyeblaster but it would back up our plans to roll out the new systems by several months or so.

Really? So after all this Steve just proved my point out! In response to that, I've enjoyed Steve's for a long time and I'd wait however long I'd have to for any updates to the site if it meant no popups. If he's accepting them he's rushing things. His decision, but he doesn't have to. I'm pretty content with the site so far.

As far as my site goes, Bigbarda, I believe it's a damn good one in it's own rights. Thousands visit and enjoy what I have to say. I've been quoted in USATODAY twice, and interviewed for other papers too. I'm doing just fine in a big league of my own. :D I'm not trying to compare my site to Steve's, you and JarJarBinks are, and that's just sad, and stupid. Maybe when you guys into "A" league at all, you might have something more intelligent to say other then half-truths, misinformation, and slander. :rolleyes:

Beast
08-11-2002, 10:14 PM
Who is being slanderous? I see that you quoted Big Barada as "Ignorently" saying somthing. You also called him and myself sad and stupid. BigBarada is exactly right in this situation, you are saying that because you run a site, you know better how to run this one. Anyone can make a webpage like yours, it's not anything special. Try running somthing like this, and then prove us wrong.

Who cares if the site could survive with or without it, it speeds up improvements to the site that make it better for everyone that comes here. Just because you want to wait half a year or more for somthing that Steve can have up in a month or two with the lil pop-up ad, doesn't mean everyone should be forced to.

Like I said, your site is ok. But it's not anything that can't be done by anyone else. It's just a standard webpage layout template like you can find on those free webpage servers all over the net. It's nothing special, but you seem to think that it gives you some sort of insight on how a large website like this works.

So what if thousands visit your site, or you have been quoted in USA Today. Rubbing that stuff in our noses like it's supposed to show that you know more then the rest of us. Millions of people have their own webpages. You're no more in a league of your own, then anyone else on this site.

You may consider yourself part of the "A" league, but the fact that you have to whip out web credentials just makes you another egomaniac on the web. And I would suggest that you watch who you are calling less intellegent, as well as who you are throwing those accusations at. Because it just makes you out to be nothing more then a jackarse. :)

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

bigbarada
08-11-2002, 10:30 PM
Jeepers, OBG, it was just a joke, relax dude! I didn't know you were so sensitive about your site. (What's that called? Server-envy? :D Okay, kidding again. :rolleyes: Geez, when will I learn to shut my stupid mouth?:stupid:;) )

Anyways, I hardly ever notice SirSteve's pop-up anymore. I guess my mind is so used to closing pop-ups before they have a chance to upload, I just do it automatically. And just because we have one pop-up now doesn't mean that we will be bombarded with 50 pop-ups next week.

Dar' Argol
08-11-2002, 10:31 PM
Ok, this has gone on long enough. It is one thing to "debate" a subject but when you start slandering other forumites for their opinions, that's a little far. This seems like a very petty thing to be arguing about! So SirSteve has a pop-up ad on the main page, its only ONE! And its helping pave the way for a better forum. I can see if SirSteve had multible pop-ups, then that would be a issue. But he doesn't. Besides, its his site that he has put out for us. What he chooses to do is his perogative(sp). And what you choose to do with yours is your deal. Leave it at that. The more you demean someone to get your point arcoss, the more your point is demeaned. I have my own opinions on this, but I am not going to put them here and then close it, that is not fair. So that being said . . . . . . . wait for it. . . . . . . . .wait for it . . . . . . . .

OriginalBryGuy
08-12-2002, 01:12 PM
Sirsteve,

Your comments were appreciated. Thanks!

2-1B
08-12-2002, 02:37 PM
meh, I'll take a pop-up if it means speedier improvements.

scruffziller
08-14-2002, 09:21 AM
This is a first. I have never seen a thread that was closed reopened.

OriginalBryGuy
08-14-2002, 09:49 AM
This is a first. I have never seen a thread that was closed reopened.

History made? Write that one down in your record books.

SirSteve felt the forum should be reopened for additional comments on this subject. The moderator was in error.

Dar' Argol
08-14-2002, 08:56 PM
Originally posted by scruffziller
This is a first. I have never seen a thread that was closed reopened.

Its happened before:rolleyes:. Besides, we Mods are not gods, we are just regular guys tacking on keyboards just like the rest of you. I felt this thread was on its way down and with all the recent closings in this area I felt it was better to nip it in the bud. But if SirSteve felt I was in the wrong, then so be it. Its his place and I will abide by his rules and wishes:D

hango fett
08-15-2002, 06:27 AM
i didn't know you could reopen posts! thats pretty cool! but thanks to whomever did (sirsteve?) reopen it, because this is a cool little contraversy.
h