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derek
08-20-2002, 11:05 PM
i have not seen this new eddie murphy film, nor did i plan to, but it looks like i'm not the only one who thought it looked stupid. this film cost $90 million to make, along with $20 million in advertising costs and grossed a whopping $2 million in it's opening weekend.

this has got to be a record for the worst opening of a big budget film in history. looks like eddie murphy will have to make 'the klump's" parts 3-10 to make up for this one.

i thought this film would tank, but not this bad.

Patient Zero
08-20-2002, 11:07 PM
I wonder? Is this even worse than Final Fantasy. I don't remember the numbers for it.

derek
08-20-2002, 11:08 PM
i just checked box office mojo, and final fantasy made $11 million in it's opening weekend, and grossed $32 million in the U.S.
those aren't great numbers, and i think FF bankurpted it's film company, but that was basically a cartoon with no stars in it. and i've heard the animators wasted a lot of money on unnecessary stuff.

but with "pluto nash", this is a big budget hollywood film starring a bankable movie star. i don't know what happened here. again, i thought it looked dumb, but i thought the same thing about "xXx" and that made big bucks, so what do i know.:)

Patient Zero
08-20-2002, 11:13 PM
I was disappointed with it, however I do not think that it was bad enough for the company to go bankrupt. Whoever make Pluto Nash should be taken out to some dusty back road and shot.

JediTricks
08-21-2002, 01:49 AM
I wanted to see it even though the posters and trailers were crap (I blame whomever was in control of promoting this film, the promotions for it were attrocious, textbook way of how to NOT advertise your film).

Does anybody actually have anything to say about the film itself? (Details, not just a broad generalization)

TylerD
08-21-2002, 02:06 AM
I haven't seen it, and I don't plan to. If you like Eddie Murphy, rent Holy Man, or Bowfinger - I really enjoyed those movies. I wonder what Water World (Kevin Costner) got opening weekend. I heard that is was the movie to gross the lowest earnings, compared to its cost.

JediTricks
08-21-2002, 02:50 AM
I thought Bowfinger was funny, but not really because of Murphy.

QLD
08-21-2002, 03:16 AM
I heard this movie was completed over a year ago, but they let it sit on the shelf for a while, and finally released it.

It looks like it is hooooooooorible.

derek
08-21-2002, 09:15 AM
waterworld made $21 million it's opening weekend. it wasn't near the flop the media was hoping for, and eventually made it's money back, i believe.

but it's clear the studio didn't think pluto nash was any good. they "only" spent $20 million to advertise a $90 million film, while a low budget flick, like master of disguise($16 million to make) had an advertising budget of $32 million.

someone at warner bros. got fired over this, i bet/:)

billfremore
08-21-2002, 09:58 AM
Waterworld cost $175 million to make and it grossed $88 million domestically. It made $225 million worldwide so yes it did make it's money back.

Final Fantasy was a real big stinker, it cost $137 million to make and it took in $37 million domestically and $74 million worldwide.

So I'm pretty sure Pluto Nash won't be the biggest flop ever.

Rogue II
08-21-2002, 10:06 AM
I am still hurting from watching Waterworld. I can't even look at Kevin Costner anymore.

My wonder how they can market Pluto Nash as the "Summer's biggest comedy" with Austin Powers 3 being out.

Mandalorian Candidat
08-21-2002, 10:35 AM
I thought the biggest flop ever was Heaven's Gate by Michael Cimino. It pretty much ruined his career.

As for Pluto Nash, I could tell by the trailer that the funniest parts of the movie were in that same trailer, a la MIIB. At this point in his career I think Eddie Murphy should stick to what he does best: evaluating the feet of Hollywood Blvd. transvestite streetwalkers in his car.

billfremore
08-21-2002, 11:07 AM
Heaven's Gate was pulled from the theaters 3 days after it's release. It cost $44 million to make and it took in $1.5 million in those 3 days.

Not necessarily the biggest flop ever but it was an amazingly quick fall for Cimino who had such huge success with The Deer Hunter 2 years before.

icatch9
08-21-2002, 11:23 AM
I haven't sceen this movie and don't plan to. Still did you know that they are haveing a contest around this movie. I don't know a whole lot about it, but the winner gets a trip to space camp or something like that or and this is the kicker 100 akers of land on the Moon. How cool is that? I'd take the Moon land. I mean how many people actually own land on the Moon. You know how much that will be worth in the future? Imagin getting free land in Beverly Hills in 1850. Same thing. In 100 years that Moon land could be worth millions :D.

I'm being a bit sarcastic, but I'd still take the moon land. It's a very unique prize and something not to many people have :). Oh, the contest is real. Ask your local movie theater for details :).

El Chuxter
08-21-2002, 11:39 AM
Being something of an Eddie Murphy fan (especially his Honeymooners routine :D), I'd like to see it. I planned all along to check it on when it's available to rent, and it looks like everyone else did as well.

BTW, Waterworld rules! :)

stormie
08-21-2002, 01:16 PM
I just didn't understand the advertising of this film. All the promos were awful, and there really was not much advanced hype. Hype (though false) might have boosted the opening numbers. Too bad, because I really like Eddie Murphy. I've seen several trailers for Eye Spy, with Eddie Murphy and Owen Wilson, and that movie looks quite funny.

scruffziller
08-21-2002, 02:46 PM
I will not bother to see it.

hango fett
08-21-2002, 03:44 PM
i think eddie knew this was going to be a flop and decided to do eye spy to get his carrer back on track. but nothing can help his carrer more than if he did more nutty professors! he said so himself that he loves being all those charaters!
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TylerD
08-22-2002, 01:57 AM
I, too, would like to have my own piece of moon...

JediTricks
08-22-2002, 02:53 AM
Originally posted by Mandalorian Candidat
At this point in his career I think Eddie Murphy should stick to what he does best: evaluating the feet of Hollywood Blvd. transvestite streetwalkers in his car. Hey now, there are no transvestite streetwalkers on Hollywood blvd! The actual female streetwalkers are on Sunset blvd and the transvestite streetwalkers are on Santa Monica blvd in West Hollywood. Common knowledge people, come on! ;)


The studio apparently has been sitting on Pluto Nash for nearly 2 years, but I've been seeing a few good non-industry reviews of the film lately (though reviews from a year ago sound like it was reworked a lot, never a good sign).

Eternal Padawan
08-22-2002, 08:31 AM
I'd go see any movie that did that horrible opening weekend. You can't judge a movie by what the Lannies of the world think is good stuff. Both MIIB and xXx did some serious bank. The former was a tired rehash of a mediocre first film, and the latter is seriously on my crap list for the year. So big B.O. doesn't mean anything.
Some other huge stinkers in the past were Hudson Hawk (one of my fave underrated films!) and Waterworld (I agree with El Chuxter :D) and more recently, Monkeybone, which barely cracked a million opening weekend. While not a great film, it had it's merits and got good reviews.

It doesn't cost me anything except time, I might go check out Pluto before it leaves theatres and come back with an honest assessment.

ROLLO!

SQueek
08-23-2002, 01:12 AM
bad movies to me always look so obvious. after one preveiew, somtimes even a poster, i can say that movie will be bad, and it will! if i can so easily do this why cant anyone in the film industry?

JediTricks
08-23-2002, 02:48 AM
SQueek, sometimes that's not the fault of the movie, but instead the fault of the crappy studio's advertising & promotions department. "Never judge a book by its cover" should be followed by "...especially if an entertainment executive is involved". :D

Eternal Padawan
08-23-2002, 09:14 AM
Originally posted by SQueek
bad movies to me always look so obvious. after one preveiew, somtimes even a poster, i can say that movie will be bad, and it will! if i can so easily do this why cant anyone in the film industry?

Yes that is often the case, but sometimes it isn't. The only way to give a movie a fair shake is to watch it from beginning to end. I'm not saying go blow $10 on a film you think will be bad, but when it comes to cable or video or whatever, check it out. Even the worst films have a nugget in them. A line of witty dialogue. A clever camera angle. A nice action sequence. You can't say good or bad things about ANY movie until you've seen it. You can't listen to reviews, because who says a film critic has any more idea what makes a good film or a bad film than you? I often disagree with film critics about movies.

Like JT said, it's usually not the film makers, it's the film MARKETERS that make it look bad. Or make a bad film look good. One of the most telling comments at out theatre when we all see a new trailer is "looks like all the funny parts are in the trailer" THAT usually ends up being true. Serving Sara was the most recent one to garner that assessment...

ROLLO!

Lowly Bantha Cleaner
08-23-2002, 11:49 PM
LBC's news you can use (and advice too!);)

"If you can only see one movie for the rest of your lifetime, make it 'The Ad-ventures of Plut-o Nash.' "

Prince Xizor
08-27-2002, 08:12 PM
The studio and Murphy knew this movie sucked big time. The Studio (Universal was it?) did not release this movie for critics before national release which is a universal sign that the movie sucks. Murphy also did no promotion WHATSOEVER for the movie. Not Leno, Today, Letterman, Radio shows, nothing. I bet he wishes that they never released it.

As far as biggest flops ever, Wasn't Last Action Hero a giganto flop?

QLD
08-27-2002, 08:14 PM
Last Action hero did a decent box office I think, though most people hated the movie.

Of course, Ishtar was a flop as well. ;)

derek
08-27-2002, 10:56 PM
"Last Action Hero", which i liked a lot, made $14 million it's opening weekend and grossed $50 milion in the States. With overseas box office, rentals, vhs, DVD, cable and tv revenues, it probably made it's money back, which "Pluto Nash" never will do:)

Eternal Padawan
09-01-2002, 09:42 AM
I'm back! I went and saw this the night before it left theatres permanently. While it's not the worst movie ever made or even as big a crapathon as xXx, or Kung Pow or Collateral Damage, there was absolutely nothing remarkable about it. Sometimes I wanted to give it a chuckle out of pity, because the rest of the country panned it so badly, but it just wasn't funny. It had quite a cast of supporting players that just weren't given anything to do. Some of the rare highlights:
Randy Quaid looked to be having a good time playing Pluto's outdated BodyGuard Droid.
John Cleese (the only part I DID laugh at...) as the harumphish British hologram chaffeur of a hijacked futura limo. "Dear lord. he's going to get her drunk and have his way with her!"
and to a lesser extent Jay Mohr as the Polish -turned -Italian -by -way -of -Scotland lounge singer. I inadvertantly laughed at the "You are a freak." "You have no idea." line.

Other than that, I think you can skip this one. Just know it's not the crappiest film of all time like everyones making it out to be.

ROLLO!

JediTricks
07-27-2003, 10:31 PM
Well, nearly a year later, I finally saw this. Rented it on DVD. And I enjoyed it! Though the score was oftentimes wildly inappropriate and felt like the hand of Warner Bros' execs, I found it to be a fairly entertaining film. Nothing spectacular except for the sets & art direction - which were pretty good IMO (except for the hotel/casino near the end) - but an entertaining romp through a thoroughly-developed futurescape. The comedy is a little light, but the movie could be described that way as well -- that certainly wouldn't make it bad.

I dunno, if this film had better advertising and none of the negative buzz about how long it was shelved for, I think it would have made its money back from just US theaters and overseas market.

Anakin2121
07-28-2003, 09:48 AM
Well, on another note, the largest failure in cinematic history was the 1995 pirate film Cutthroat Island -- which I actually saw. :p The movie cost between eighty and a hundred million dollars to make, and grossed no more than ten million worldwide!!!

JediTricks
07-28-2003, 09:53 PM
Actually, Pluto Nash beat Cutthroat Island's record. It cost approx $90 million, they spent another $20 million advertising it, and its worldwide gross was only $4.4 million. Cutthroat Island made as much on its US opening weekend as Pluto Nash made altogether at the box office, making Pluto Nash the new record holder there.

BTW, I caught Cutthroat Island on TV a while back, seemed entertaining enough to me. Again, not great, but entertaining. Its IMDB rating is 5.1 (at 2,200 votes), pretty high compared to a lot of movies held in such low regard. By comparison, Pluto Nash has a 3.9 (but also over half the votes), and Waterworld has an almost respectable rating of 5.3 with 13,000 votes.

InsaneJediGirl
08-08-2003, 10:23 PM
"Gigli" or whatever that is would have to be the biggest flop now.I think it barely took in or just over a million this weekend and Sony pulled all promo spots.Didnt see that one coming:rolleyes:I'm sure not as costly to make as Pluto Nash though.

hango fett
08-08-2003, 10:47 PM
ugh...gigli looks 100% pure.......crapola on a stick. i would rather throw up than watch that movie...
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JediTricks
08-09-2003, 01:17 AM
"Gigli" or whatever that is would have to be the biggest flop now.I think it barely took in or just over a million this weekend and Sony pulled all promo spots.Didnt see that one coming:rolleyes:I'm sure not as costly to make as Pluto Nash though.
Gigli made like $3.8 million and cost $54 million, but spent $22 million on advertising (2 more than Pluto). That's way more than Pluto Nash.

mabudonicus
08-12-2003, 11:51 AM
I can't recall the name, but there was a kevin costner film (NOT waterworld) that onlymade 17,000 dollars at the box office... no other figures, though... anyone know the film to which I am referring??
And Gigli..... even that guy with the golden voice couldn't make that movie seem anything more than crass and stupid.... a lighthearted "romance finds you" film about hit-men, both played by actors who have troubles even playing themselves?? The director saying it wasn't "the worst film I've ever seen?".... I saw an interview yesterday where affleck said he wanted to get deeper into production, behind-the-scenes style stuff.... wonder what prompted THAT??