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Jek Porky 2002
10-29-2002, 03:50 PM
I just had to post this, because yesturday I was watching The Simpsons Haloween Special XII, and in a spoof of Harry Potter Lisa conjures up 2 English men, one was the, posh stuck up smug slimey rich womaniser, who says things like "rarther" and "I say", and the other one was a rough drunken cockney with bad teeth, who say things like "'ello love", and it really annoys me!

We are not all like that in fact there is probably no one like that in the country, the majority of the population hate the upper class!

Also I was watching a program called Ace Lightening, about and English kid who lives in America, but he would be the stereotypical Southerner, who pronounces words like bath and path as barth and parth, but that's not what annoyed me, it was the fact that his 'dopey' english mum was making smoked kippers and scotch eggs for his American friends, I mean, I've never even heard of smoked kippers, let alone eaten them!

I hope at least someone has read this and taken it all in, because we are not pompose, stuck up, cowards, with bad teeth and stupid pronouciations of words, because very few of us are!:frus:

And another thing, we do have pizzas, Hamburgers, hotdogs, fries(although we do call them chips), potato chips, and a whole load of other fast food, infact as a country we probably eat too much of it!

Boba Rhett
10-29-2002, 04:08 PM
Pompous, stuck up, cowards, with bad teeth you may not be... but you obviously have absolutely no sense of humor. :)

darthvyn
10-29-2002, 04:16 PM
Originally posted by Jek Porky 2002


And another thing, we do have pizzas, Hamburgers, hotdogs, fries(although we do call them chips), potato chips, and a whole load of other fast food, infact as a country we probably eat too much of it!

i'm insulted that you think all americans eat is unhealthy foods! why the outrage! :D :crazed: :crazed: :confused: :crazed:

man, i know those stereotypes aren't what all english people are like... but they are stereotypes - and they were way before the simpsons. anyway, the simpsons does quite a good job of making fun of almost everyone that lives in america... they also did it to australia in one ep. - "bullfrogs! that's a funny name for 'em... i'd'a called 'em CHASWASSITS!"

don't let it get to ya... otherwise, you might be like one of them stuck up brits! :sur: :D

Jek Porky 2002
10-29-2002, 04:31 PM
Don't get me wrong, the Simpsons is hilarious and I can take a joke, I love Austin Powers and anything like that, but some things on TV do seam to be really serious as if we really are like that, that's all, and in films the Englishman is always the villain or the love rat who stand women up at the alter!

Oh, and one last point, Don't pay any attention to Hugh Grant and Liz Hurley, god knows where they grew up, with there accents! They are exactly what English people are not!

And also I don't think America eats too much junk food at all, sorry if it came across that way, I don't mean to offend.

Or, in the words of Hugh Grant...

"A-a-a- and or-orlso, I-I er, don't... think America e-e-eats too mach jonk food at orl, I-I'm terribly sorry if it came across that way, I most deffinatly don't mean to offend!

darthvyn
10-29-2002, 04:36 PM
i was just kidding about the junk food thing, man. and i do eat too much junk food - yesterday all i had was domino's buffalo chicken kickers and breadsticks for lunch, and taco bell for dinner... so no, i wasn't offended in the slightest. IT'S TRUE!

and yeah, hugh grant and liz hurley are actual HUMAN charicatures of english people that ARE supposed to be taken seriously as english people - even I'M insulted by THAT notion!

odb
10-29-2002, 04:38 PM
I wouldn't worry about our stereotypes Jek, the Americans have got far worse stereotypes, a small example:

The hillbilly from the deep south.
The American who thinks irony is a vitamin
The loud, brash, stupid stereotype....

Need I go on,

I think every country gets a stereotype that annoys them (Germans with no sense of humour) and amuses others.

If people believe the stereotypes they see on the Simpsons then they're dumber than Cleteus.

QLD
10-29-2002, 04:41 PM
Yeah.....just look at the French.....no, really....just look at them......

;)

Boba Rhett
10-29-2002, 05:14 PM
I once threw a fire cracker at Canada.

They surrendered to me 34 seconds later. :sur:





J/k ;)

kadamontaga
10-29-2002, 05:23 PM
Actually, I've got crooked teeth.

kadamontaga
10-29-2002, 05:24 PM
And my girlfriend says "barth". No really, she does.

LTBasker
10-29-2002, 05:30 PM
Originally posted by Jek Porky 2002
I just had to post this, because yesturday I was watching The Simpsons Haloween Special XII, and in a spoof of Harry Potter Lisa conjures up 2 English men, one was the, posh stuck up smug slimey rich womaniser, who says things like "rarther" and "I say", and the other one was a rough drunken cockney with bad teeth, who say things like "'ello love", and it really annoys me!

Just wanted to point something out...

The person who conjures up the drunkard was one of the twin sisters in front of Lisa. Lisa did conjure up the other one like you said however since it was her conjuring it up it was more of something she wanted in a guy, which is why I think he was the same brit from the episode when a gypsy shows her her future and he's her boyfriend in the future. Not sure if that's true though because it's been awhile since I've seen that episode. Anyways my main point is that in the episode about her future it was more a stereotype then, even though it was her future which was probably more in her mind than realistic for her at least, and so there was really no stereotype being played out but really just all part of her wanting a guy like that.

Not raggin on ya or anything, just pointing that out for fun. :)

Patient Zero
10-29-2002, 05:39 PM
Originally posted by LTBasker



Not raggin on ya or anything, just pointing that out for fun. :)

Because 'raggin' on you is fun!;)

Jedi_Master_Guyute
10-29-2002, 06:18 PM
Stereotypes usually represent a teeny tiny portion of the population. There are hillbillies, but not everybody who lives in the "backwoods" are like that. There are snooty French folks, but not every French citizen is one. I don't take offense to any of the American stereotypes though, they don't bother me. Plus, Simpsons is great with doing that. I was watching "Bart Vs. Australia" today (after Darthvyn mentioned it) and it kills me how everybody had Fosters beer cans or the how the police were using boomerangs. Just a way to poke fun!! Enjoy it! :D

187-Maul
10-29-2002, 06:37 PM
I don;t know why the stereotype german has no humour (I haven't even ever head of that) and I've never met someone like that
just watch german tv and you'll see that germans have a lot of humour (although it's often not that good:D )

as for the french, I have met A LOT of french people here who are just plain a**holes but I guess every country has people like that

I don't really mind stereotype-people descriptions either, but I hate it if people summarize people from one country and say everybody is like the one person they're talking about

sith_killer_99
10-29-2002, 07:40 PM
Chips....hahaha, they call French Fries...Chips.:D

JK

But seriously, it's too bad about Liz Hurley not being like all Brits...what a babe.

In all seriousness, most of us know that these are stupid stereotypes. Besides, noone would laugh if the stereotypes were like...Jargo...JK;)

Jargo
10-29-2002, 07:47 PM
Stereotypes are just a way for advertising agencies to sell to certain groups of people. By using images of hugh grant-esque people they can easily and instantaneously conjure up a feeling of class and elegance and sell you something as 'luxurious' by using images of lower class people they can pass something off as less then acceptable. They only do this because people have a self awareness that means they recognise in images - or stereotypes themselves, or how they believe they come across themselves, or perhaps aspire to be that sort of person or not. It's just pidgeon holing for the sake of ease of recognition. It would perhaps be easier to have ordinary bloke from lancashire appear in something like Frasier as Daphnes uncle but because Jayne Leeves is actually not from Lancashire and plays a charicature of someone who is, they choose to play it that way to get the biggest effect. Ordinary people from lancashire aren't going to seem as real or hyper-real as someone faking the accent.
The Simpsons is double parody within parody, it pokes fun at itself while the characters within poke fun at stereotypes. The Simpsons is a higher class of social satire than anything currently on TV. It's the only show that regularly has me laughing. more often than not I'm laughing at a place where there isn't a gag. The subtext is what makes The Simpsons fun.

None of that really makes sense does it? sorry, just took some pain killers and they made my head go swimmy half way through.

As long as there's no personal insult why fret? It's only like any of the guys here having a laugh with you. There's intercontinental satirical missiles flying round this place all the time, lost count of the times we've got into the 'funny spelling' war. It's not serious, just let it wash over you, water off a ducks back old bean. chocks away, chin chin tata toodlepip I say! Top hole! What a wizard prang...... :rolleyes: :D

Lowly Bantha Cleaner
10-29-2002, 10:13 PM
My favorite English stereo type comes from the Simpsons. It occurs during the Mr. Burns Casino episode, and Burns was entertaining proposals for design and construction of the casino.

One man proposed the casino "Brittania," an English theme casino with union-jacks all over and everything English. The best part was even the waitresses who work at the casino are genuine English. We then see a pale, red-haired, no teeth, wrinkled lady, wearing a tight union jack adorned bathing suit, holding a tray with drinks. She then says to Mr. Burns in a cockney English accent "Fresh-en your drink guvnor?"

As far as American stereotypes are concerened, I know that many nations see our citizens as loud-mouth, crass, uneducated, obnoxious oafs and judging my opinion based on the majority of the youth in our nation, I'd say that is a dead-on analysis.

Not to knock our great country and I know I am making a bit of an overgeneralization, but we seem to have a sheepish populace that can tolerate too much of the world's problems but can't tolerate long lines at the airport, at the drive-thru, high taxes, etc. We also seem to react to things by not utilizing much of reason, logic, or intellect. Also, it seems that we have no coping skills, or sense of responsibility, for many of our citizens like to blame their personal problems on others, and we often like to "snap" when the pressure is too great, grab a gun and shoot others who we feel are responsible for our burdens.

Deoxyribonucleic
10-29-2002, 10:28 PM
I LOVE the English, especially since half the cast of each OT SW was English :)

2-1B
10-30-2002, 05:17 AM
"Chocks away old bean."

Indeed. :happy:

JON9000
10-30-2002, 01:35 PM
I met a good number of English folk while I was in London and did notice some differences in culture. I also noticed some negative stereotypes toward Americans.

First, sex is nowhere near the big deal over there that it is here. There is nudity everywhere on TV and it is not considered obscene, merely humorous. The media is different as well. The newscasts tend to focus very much on world news and foreign affairs, as opposed to here, where before 9-11 you hardly saw anything because we could not be troubled. There also seems to be a sense of relaxation there that is not present in the US. I suspect it is due to having more free time. I also observed a lot of drug use in the London clubs, often in much more open conditions than you would find in the states.

As for negative stereotypes, we seem to be regarded as ignorant, self absorbed, materialistic philistines- good in war, useless in intellectual pursuits. I do not agree.

I have to say I loved my trip and everyone in London was very pleasant, indeed I met people from all over the world while I was there and they were all nice.

Jargo
10-30-2002, 02:42 PM
Funny thing is, if you ask someonme in London where a place is that you're trying to get to, the answer nine times out of ten is: "sorry, I'm not from round here, just visiting..." London is a city made up of migrants and visitors. very few native londoners to be found since the Yuppie boom stole much of the real heartland of london for 'apartment complexes' the size of postage stamps. There are many East enders who never go uptown to the city itself.
Strangely, my only preconception of Americans for a long time was of portly middle aged couple wearing loud colors and carrying a ton of camera equipment round their necks while wandering round my City saying things like "isn't that quaint, is that for real?" when referring to a ponderous cathedral that's stood for several hundred years. The stereotyping is enforced in that way because those same sorts of tourists still cram the cities each summer. Clueless and thick and gullible. Having said that, I've personally met and befriended many other Americans who were quite the opposite and so down to earth they could have been born here. I think it's down to what a persons expectations are. how they react to anything nrew and strange. If you set out as a tourist you're going to come across that way, if as a visitor you just sample life and relax and settle in with the vibe of a place then no-ones going to notice you. But the touristy folk who talk too loud and constantly take photos are going to become a pain and will therfore be remembered longer, burning an indelible shape into the subconsciousness of the nation that gets labelled 'an American'.
I used to say I'd never visit the states because there's too much violence there, with the way things are going there's more here these days. So one day I'd like to hop over the big blue pond and visit a few states. The cooler ones, preferably without the large house spiders thank you Dar'Argol... :D I'd like to see NY city and drive across the Golden gate bridge, in factr a friend was visiting NY city and said the place didn't seem right until he got a taxi ride and he realised we only ever see the lower parts of buildings on TV so seeing NY city from a taxi made him feel right at home......
As far as the language barrier is concerned, who cares, it's not like there's a whole new language to conquer, like you'd get going to Moscow or something, it's just a different shade of the same thing, not a problem at all.

Jek Porky 2002
10-30-2002, 05:33 PM
Originally posted by EMPEROR JARGO
It would perhaps be easier to have ordinary bloke from lancashire appear in something like Frasier as Daphnes uncle but because Jayne Leeves is actually not from Lancashire and plays a charicature of someone who is, they choose to play it that way to get the biggest effect.

Has anyone from England noticed that Daphne's supposed to be from Manchester, and has a really strong Northern accent, but her brother has got a really strong cockney accent! To an American there would be no difference, but to an English person it would be like someone from Australia having a brother or sister with an American accent, OK bad example, but you know what I mean!

Jargo
10-30-2002, 08:05 PM
She's got a brother? Oh I am so far behind on that show. I know her Dad has got the right accent.
I think the funniest fake English accent is Dick Van Dyke in Mary Poppins "Muuuury Pappins" :D


What are you lookin' at me like that for? What's wrong with a grown man watching mary poppins? Shut up and quit laffin'!




just a spoonful of sugar makes the medicine go down, the medicine go down.......... :rolleyes:

gibbspaulus
10-31-2002, 07:22 AM
How about David Boreanazeazisaz's oirish in Angel?

Lowly Bantha Cleaner
10-31-2002, 09:03 AM
Watching the movie musical "My Fair Lady," you get a smattering of different accents from Eliza Doolittle's character in the beginning (Audrey Hepburn) "Jus' you wait Enry Iggins' Jus' you wait!" To the sophisticated Henry Higgins (Rex Harris) and to the father of Eliza "Wit' a lil' bit of luck."

Of course a major story line throughout the movie is Higgins trying to make a lady out of Doolittle and to do so, he must first fix her cockney accent.

And if you want major fake accents see Robin Hood with Kevin Costner or even funnier yet, Enemy Gates in which Jude Law's character, a Russian, speaks with an English accent as well as Ed Harris's character, a German, speaks with an American accent!

Exhaust Port
10-31-2002, 09:53 AM
Ok, here are my English stereotypes:

Very large sense of history, almost to the point of being obsessed. Not only does the country have about 1000 years of history on it's soil but the level of preservation is something that we're greatly missing here in the States. The amount of restored (and working) aircraft and trains at Duxford and the British Railway Museum alone are incredible. Also the depth of published reference material is almost sickening. Name a top, no matter how specific, and the British have researched it and produced a 100 page hardcover book about it.

Friendly folks too. In my couple trips to the island I've always found assistance with the locals. Of course the first thing out of there mouth is always "Oh, your American!" As if there were shocked that I was blending in with the other folks so well until I opened my mouth and did speak quite right. The B&B's have always been a blast. Spending a few days with a local family has been a great way to find out about the local history (and every point on that island has history). "On this street corner, a great king once relieved himself." Leave it to the British to keep track of that.

British food. Blah. Thanks but no thanks. I don't know how many of you wake every morning with a Traditional British Breakfast but you can count me out. You thought everything here in the States was deep-fried? That's nothing, the British deep-fry their toast! Lucky for me there is enough American-ized food available that you can avoid the native stuff.

Humor. Well the British seem to be full of it. Sure most of the world is aware of what the British think is funny thanks to the Monty Python TV shows and movies. Your domestic television is full of it as well. My personal favorite was waking to The Big Breakfast every morning. Funny stuff.

How America is viewed: Violence is everywhere. I remember watching some European videos and America was the backdrop for a lot of the locations. Each of the video's revolved around violence in America. All that most Europeans see from the US is exported movies and news broadcasts. No wonder thats all they think happens over here. But again, it's just a stereotype. Even talking to some of the locals you get this impression that they all think we live in that kind of world over here.

About us being introverted: Can you blame us? We have a big freakin' country here. We can fit most European countries in Texas alone. We have the size and diversity of the entire European continent and it can take a lot of our energy just keeping our own ducks in a row let alone worrying about the rest of the world. A 4 hour car ride will get you a cross most of the countries over there. A 4 hour airplane ride and you'll make it over 2/3's of the mainland US. Plus we're not near anyone. Yeah we got Canada to the north (but their basically US Jr.) and Mexico to the south. It's nothing like Europe where your practically living on top of everyone else.

Jek Porky 2002
10-31-2002, 06:11 PM
I'm sorry to brake this to you exhaust port, but the Big Breakfast was taken off the air in June because of falling ratings, a damn shame! And yes I have to admit, you can't beat a good fry-up, but not every day, that would be disgusting! But on a Sunday, mmmmmmmmmmmm!

And another thing if you thought Monty Python was good (I didn't, I thought it was waaay over the top), you'll love some of the new stuff!

Peter Kay's Phoenix Nights
That Peter Kay Thing
The Office
The League Of Gentlemen
The Royle Family

Well Americans may not understand The Royle Family and The Office, but British Comedy is at it's best at the moment!

Oh, you're my wife now!

Lowly Bantha Cleaner
10-31-2002, 09:17 PM
Originally posted by Jek Porky 2002
Well Americans may not understand The Royle Family and The Office, but British Comedy is at it's best at the moment!


I was addicted to the old Britcom, "Are You Being Served?" with Mrs. Slocumb and the other characters. I used to watch it on PBS on Saturday Nights but they've since taken it off their programming.

Talk about your English Stereotypes, you had your gangly bald headed chap with weird sideburns (their character names escape me), a wheelchair bound old coot that had a penchant for employing hot young female nurses to take care of him (something straight out of Benny Hill?),a mustachioed high-class prim and proper Englishman, your cockeny server girl, and a wise-cracking server man with bad teeth!

Exhaust Port
10-31-2002, 10:32 PM
Yeah, I heard that The Big Breakfast got pulled this summer. To bad, it was fun to watch.

As for your list of other British humor shows, I haven't seen any of them over here. One other show that I've watched some that's pretty good is Red Dwarf. I haven't seen it enough to be hooked but I definately watch it when I come across it.

A question for the English here, of all the crap that we watch over here, what American TV makes it across the pond to your tele?

Jek Porky 2002
11-01-2002, 05:21 PM
Pretty much everything (I think), let's see, we've got:
The Simpsons
Futurama
Friends
Will And Grace
Frasier
Ally McBeal
South Park

And in the day time are the not so popular ones like:
Nikki
Jessie
Veronica's Closet
Allthough I imagine they are not even that well known in America either! That's all I can think of now.

Oh but, I know it's old, but Channel 4 have been re-running Cheers in the day time, and I love it! I'm really getting into it, and I was really suprised to find out that it only finished in 1993, I though it finished waaaay before then!

Deoxyribonucleic
11-01-2002, 06:09 PM
"Jessie"...is that the show with Christina Applegate?

What is and who plays in "NikkI"?...never heard of it

Do you guys get reruns of M*A*S*H over there too?

Jargo
11-01-2002, 09:03 PM
Suddenly Susan, endless re-runs of Columbo, Hart to Hart, Murder she wrote, Quincey MD, Taxi.
We have the shield, Martial Law, the west wing, buffy, angel, Turks, Oz, the sopranos, fresh prince of bel air, CSI, law and order, millions of crime reconstruction programmes overdubbed with british voices on the narration. My personal favourite has long since bitten the dust. Americas Top ten with kasey kasem Is that how you spell it? Anyway, loved that show and his annoying arm flick of complicity. oh yeah, forget diagnosis murder with the Dick Van Dyke performing seal troupe. That guy had all his damn family involved in the show.! As far as comedy goes you can't beat the Simpsons or King of the hill. Futurama sucks. About as funny as root canal work.

2-1B
11-02-2002, 12:44 AM
Jargo, you forgot Six Feet Under ! :crazed:

Jargo
11-02-2002, 09:17 AM
:eek: oops. But i suppose since they shifted it to pay TV on cable and us plebs who still oly have Terrestrial airial TV and can't get the reception from satellite or get the local authorities to sanction the laying of cable don't count, Six feet under is no longer on my mind and I hated the first season finale anyway......

Exhaust Port
11-02-2002, 09:40 AM
Boy you guys are subjected to quite a bit of crap from the US. On behalf of everyone here I would like to apologize for sending you Nikki, Suddenly Susan, Murder She Wrote, etc.

Jek Porky 2002
11-02-2002, 09:50 AM
Three more:
Family Guy
24
Third Rock From The Sun

While we're at it, lets see exactly how many British comedys there are at the moment, well from the past 5 years:

Phoenix Nights
That Peter Kay Thing
The League Of Gentlemen
The Office
The Royle Family
Spaced
I'm Alan Partrige
The Book Group
Coupling
Barbra
Absoloutly Fabulous
My Family
Linda Green
Celeb (absolute crap!)
The Fast Show
Dr. Terrible's House Of Horrible
Rock Profile

That's all for now, but I'm sure I've forgot loads. I bet non of them have made it over the Atlantic, not because they're crap or anything, but because nearly all English comedy is only aimed at the British, and there is an old saying that Americans don't find irony funny, and they are nearly all based on ironic situations, whereas American comedy is kind of aimed to be funny to everyone! Don't get me wrong I'm not saying it's crap, far from it!

britcit3
11-08-2002, 08:02 AM
I was unaware of any electronics companies making stereos of ANY type in Britain.

BC3

mabudonicus
11-08-2002, 09:29 AM
Just gotta point out, since this thread was about birtish stereotypes, why the 2 instances of Canada bashing:)??
I guess now we know who threw that firecracker..... oh, and we weren't surrendering, either, that 34 seconds was how long it took us to get the back bacon off the stove and grab a beer, you guys weren't there when we got back to the border......
And US JR??? Exhaust port, tsk tsk, we're anything BUT usa jr.!!! I prefer we be referred to as "Mexico with sweaters and toques", which is what we are under the current free trade arrangements:):):)!!!!

The Overlord Returns
11-08-2002, 09:59 AM
Originally posted by Boba Rhett
I once threw a fire cracker at Canada.

They surrendered to me 34 seconds later. :sur:





J/k ;)

Funny....because we stormed your capital and destroyed it.......Making Canada the ONLY nation to succesfully invade the United States....

Not a joke. :)

The Overlord Returns
11-08-2002, 10:17 AM
Originally posted by Exhaust Port

About us being introverted: Can you blame us? We have a big freakin' country here. We can fit most European countries in Texas alone. We have the size and diversity of the entire European continent and it can take a lot of our energy just keeping our own ducks in a row let alone worrying about the rest of the world. A 4 hour car ride will get you a cross most of the countries over there. A 4 hour airplane ride and you'll make it over 2/3's of the mainland US. Plus we're not near anyone. Yeah we got Canada to the north (but their basically US Jr.) and Mexico to the south. It's nothing like Europe where your practically living on top of everyone else.

LOL....... this a damn funny post, and typically american.

First off, yes it's a somewhat large country, but, not nearly the largest. You've got us, you're bigger neighbour to the North. Then you have Russia. Number 1 in size. On top of that, Brazil, china, and Australia come close to rivalling you. Now, Canadians, living in a larger sized country, are nowhere near as introverted and nationalistic as Americans.

As for the US jr jab......... I'll just pat you on the head and let you have your delusions ;)

QLD
11-08-2002, 10:46 AM
I like Canada.....Terrance and Philip rule!

:crazed:

vulcantouch
11-08-2002, 12:25 PM
(peggy hill's proposed title for a travel article :crazed: )

Jargo
11-08-2002, 02:00 PM
"You're an uncle **** uncle ******!" Terrence and philip rule all right :D

How did this get from english stereotypes to a ****ing contest between Canada and North America?

The Overlord Returns
11-08-2002, 02:03 PM
LOL... Last time I looked Canada was IN North America...... ;)

Well.......I'm not being overly serious in my replies....but Americans seem to have this idea in their head that we're just this lesser version of them up here........

I've had americans seriously ask me if I ride by dog sled through the streets of Toronto.

And I've had several chuckles when I see american tourists getting off airplanes at Pearson airport in the middle of July with snow skis and parkas on.... HI - Larious.

They know nothing about Canada.......yet claim it's a "mini" usa.....

JON9000
11-08-2002, 02:14 PM
Canada's a beauty, eh? Molson and ice curling!!! Take off hoser!

I've always wondered, what's a hoser anyway?

The Overlord Returns
11-08-2002, 02:23 PM
Originally posted by JON9000
Canada's a beauty, eh? Molson and ice curling!!! Take off hoser!

I've always wondered, what's a hoser anyway?

A hoser is essentially your stereotype of a Northern ontarian. It would be on par to your southern stereotypes in the US.


Oddly enough...Molson is considered a sub par beer here. Yet it must taste like heaven to americans....considering the beers you're offered down there ;)

Jargo
11-08-2002, 02:44 PM
Canada's not seperate then? So it's what - like a franchise sort of thing...? on lease from the real America....? Just a hobby province someone forgot to put back in the cupboard after use....? What?

The Overlord Returns
11-08-2002, 02:47 PM
Originally posted by EMPEROR JARGO
Canada's not seperate then? So it's what - like a franchise sort of thing...? on lease from the real America....? Just a hobby province someone forgot to put back in the cupboard after use....? What?

North America is a CONTINENT. Canada is a Nation within that CONTINENT....much like the USA is a Nation within the CONTINENT.

God I really hope your taking the p!$$ here..........

Jargo
11-08-2002, 02:51 PM
:evil: hehehehehe

The Overlord Returns
11-08-2002, 02:57 PM
Originally posted by EMPEROR JARGO
:evil: hehehehehe

sigh...........despite the fact that you're getting a laugh at my expense....I'm relieved...........

mabudonicus
11-08-2002, 04:55 PM
You're relieved?? I though it was him taking the... ohh, never mind... I like that "america's hat" comment, I haven't seen much of that show, but there's gems in there to be sure....
Stereotypes of many kinds are pretty funny overall.....
Hey, T.O.R., you never responded to my "mexico with sweaters and toques" comment, I'm disappointed!!!
Yeah, the one stereotype that is incorrect as far as us Canadians go is the "mini-USA" one... I for one see our country and culture as, in many fundamental ways, at least, almost diametrically opposed to the one existing south of the border... sure, many Canadians wish we would just switch to the more powerful American dollar, get the TV feed striaght from the major us networks and extend honourary citizenship to anyone who's been on TV for longer than the usual 15 minutes of fame, but there's a lot of dedicated types here too, who love OUR country just as much as our neighbors to the south love theirs, but for different reasons, in different capacities, and with different end results overall....
Okay, lectures over, read chapters 2 through 4 and be prepared to discuss them in class tomorrow....
Sorry, I love my country, man:):):):)

The Overlord Returns
11-08-2002, 05:10 PM
Well...I've never been to Mexico, sadly, so I couldn't comment.


We are vastly different from The US, but we do share some qualities....

In general, while being proud of our nation, we aren't jingoistic about it. All though the popularity of poppies this year seems to indicate a vast suuport for the memorial of fallen canadian soldiers in the great wars.....

Jargo
11-08-2002, 06:42 PM
Fish have no knees. That's not what I said but it'll do as a replacement. :)

Jek Porky 2002
11-09-2002, 01:57 PM
I don't know why, but there's something aboat Canada, that makes me want to go there, and I don't know why eh!;)

jeddah
11-09-2002, 04:58 PM
Originally posted by Jek Porky 2002
And another thing if you thought Monty Python was good (I didn't, I thought it was waaay over the top), you'll love some of the new stuff!

Peter Kay's Phoenix Nights
That Peter Kay Thing
The Office
The League Of Gentlemen
The Royle Family

Well Americans may not understand The Royle Family and The Office, but British Comedy is at it's best at the moment!

Oh, you're my wife now!

Too true, Jek. I think that we're currently experiencing living in a nursery of legends, esp with LOG and Peter Kay. (I'm seeing Peter Kay on 27th Nov at the BIC, here in Bournemouth). Nostalgia TV trips on Ch4, and Beeb2 always romanticise Morecambe and Wise, Fawtly, Monty and Delboy, and there has been a barren Steppes for a long time with our airwaves polluted by homogenous unremarkable sitcoms. Thank God for Steve Pemberton, Mark Gatiss and Reece Shearsmith, not to mention jeremy Dyson, Stephen Merchant, Ricky Gervais and Eddie Izzard.

I think America will 'get' (both literally and humour-ally) the Office and League of Gentlemen, but not for some time, perhaps. I don't agree that humour is particular to certain cultures; if you laugh you laugh :)

I wouldn't have included The Royle Family, but that's just personal opinion. I hate soaps and as far as I see it the R F is a soap with a few laughs. Good on you for mentioning the others and did you know a feature length film of LOG is in the offing? :):):):)

What JON9000 said earlier is a very accurate summation in my opinion of England re sex, drugs etc but whoever thinks that we deep-fry everything is way off. :)

jeddah

jeddah

Exhaust Port
11-09-2002, 10:41 PM
League of Gentlemen sounds really familiar and may have begun showing here in the US. Of course with cable it's hard to tell what show is coming from where.

Jek Porky 2002
11-10-2002, 08:40 AM
I think it was shown in America for a short while, but obviously it wasn't very popular.

I'm soooooooo jealous of you jeddah, how the hell did you manage to get hold of peter kay tickets? Also I did know about the League film, can't wait! And also did you know that Reece Shearsmith is going to be starring in his own series, called TLC starting tommorow at 9.30 on BBC2!

Pendo
11-10-2002, 09:09 AM
Aswell as a LOG film, there are talks of either a movie for "The Office" or a 3rd series. The don't know what to do with it! I think a movie would be interesting!

PENDO!

Jargo
11-10-2002, 09:38 AM
We've completely forgotten to mention such comedty greats as the smack the pony team, There was SPACED, Absolutely, Rab C. Nesbitt and tons more off the wall comedy sketch shows that didn't conform to the accepted comedy norm. I won't bother with the dreadful sitcoms like that thing with Ardal O'Hanlon as thermoman...... :rolleyes: but we do have one good sitcom in My family. Oh, and let's not frget Gimme gimme gimme. Tacky lewd and bawdy and unopologeticaly crap. Oh yeah and there's the Goodies from the 1970's. Anarchic humour that just defies description. Kitten Kong still makes me laugh even after all these years. And the tomato ketchup dispenser 'gunfight' fight is hysterical. Sure there's more topical comedy and peter Kay is right on the nail with his take on life but you can't forget that if it wasn't for the trail blazers like the Goodies and the Monty Python team and the comic strip gang we wouldn't have got the comedy we have now. Five go mad in dorset is my favourite 'The Comic strip presents:' episode. We wouldn't have got Absolutely fabulous without the comic strip. Oh yeah, there's other old sitcoms like Rising damp and the rise and fall of Reginald Perrin, Porridge, Dated as hell but they still hold their own if they're reshown because the talent is real. The scripts were excellent and sharp as a knife. Even the two Ronnies and Morecombe and Wise are still funny. Funny is as funny is. A joke is a joke is a joke. The performers clothing dates but the gags don't. With the exeption of the sexism that was rife in the 70's. And the racism. But good comedy isn't actually knocking, just affectionately making use of stereotyping. The only sort of humour that's offensive is where the comedian actually believes his material and lives by it. Like Bernard manning did. That's not comedy that's nasty.

QLD
11-10-2002, 10:09 AM
I LOVE Absolutely Fabulous!

Pendo
11-10-2002, 11:39 AM
Why hasn't RED DWARF been mentioned as a good comedy yet??? That's one of the best :)!

PENDO!

Exhaust Port
11-10-2002, 12:17 PM
Agreed. It's hard to catch on a regular basis over here (at least for me) but it's always enjoyable.

jeddah
11-10-2002, 12:37 PM
Pendo, Where did you hear about The Office's possibility of a third series or made into a film? I think that may be wishful thinking :( in the way that some Sweeks are convinced Georgie boy is going to make episodes 7-9 :cry: Ricky Gervais said (on one of his many recent TV appearances since the series finished) that it had taken him 10 years to write and he was loathe to do anything else with it other than perhaps a Christmas Special.

To be honest, I hope they leave it alone as it is. We don't need more episodes diluting it unless they are original and fresh. Let's leave it as the Fawlty Towers of recent times, I say! :)

Jek, I heard he was performing down hear in Sept so a load of us bought tickets and a crowd from work are going. He was great just talking on Parky the other week so I am absolutely over the moon. Check out ticketsonline to see where he is performing near you and when. :) The show is called "My Mother wants a Bungalow" or something.

I am not sure if I want to watch that TLC programme. Will Reece sell out? Who knows, Steve Pemberton is my fave but I must admit I love Mrs Levinson, Papa Lazarou and Stella :D

Have you seen the League of Gentlemen LIVE at Drury Lane? If not, get it. It is fantastic. They really spoof off "Go Johnny Go Go Go Go Go!" which is hilarious.

jeddah

Pendo
11-10-2002, 12:54 PM
Originally posted by jeddah
Pendo, Where did you hear about The Office's possibility of a third series or made into a film? I think that may be wishful thinking :( in the way that some Sweeks are convinced Georgie boy is going to make episodes 7-9 :cry: Ricky Gervais said (on one of his many recent TV appearances since the series finished) that it had taken him 10 years to write and he was loathe to do anything else with it other than perhaps a Christmas Special.

I read it somewhere on the Internet, can't remember where. I'll try and find the info again :).

PENDO!

edit: this is where I read it (http://forums.mediauk.com/showthread.php?threadid=21513&perpage=15&display=&pagenumber=4) (scroll down to the 5th post by someone called Servakiss). This person got it from "The Sun".

jeddah
11-12-2002, 08:19 AM
Thanks Pendo

:)

jeddah

Jek Porky 2002
11-12-2002, 04:46 PM
Originally posted by jeddah
Have you seen the League of Gentlemen LIVE at Drury Lane? If not, get it. It is fantastic. They really spoof off "Go Johnny Go Go Go Go Go!" which is hilarious.

Yes, I've got everything that they've done on DVD, I thought that Tish was the funniest on that, and I'm glad they brought her into series 3!

BTW, The Christmas Special is out on DVD- 25th November!