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Jargo
11-01-2002, 07:40 PM
Dear Hasbro,
Just wanted to say thanks for the Dianoga. I know it's still a long way off being released but the pictures I've seen are just great. It isn't how I'd imagined it ending up but I actually genuinely love it. I love the nod to the vintage version and how it basically takes the same shape but the addition of the bendy tentacle is better than i'd hoped.
I love how it fits snugly together despite coming in two sections.
In fact i suppose i want to say thanks for the screen scene sets. I've been banging on for so long about how you should do the trash compactor scene I never thought you'd do it justice like this. The bases are great, the figures of Luke and Han are exeptional (with the exeption of Luke's head which is a little offputting) but the armor not fitting Luke is pretty cool. Hans head looks wicked though. The hair is perfect.
Chewbacca is great despite not having hip articulation, his fur looks really good. I even like the Leia sculpt. The dirt on her dress is mucho accurate. I really can't fault the sets apart from the hiccup of luke's face looking like a blow up doll. The packaging is cool. The interconnectability is cool. I really do love these sets. Please continue to chuck sets like this out if the quality is going to be this high.
How about a destruction of Alderaan set with tarkin, Vader and a new death star gunner and death star trooper at their control consoles. A cool way to redo tarkin with better detail and also get new Imperials out. You always have to have the core character right? so that's where Vader fits in. Just a suggestion. :)
Thanks again anyway.

Darth Sidious
11-01-2002, 08:12 PM
Yes, I agree with Jargo (Great avatar, by the way), thanks Hasbro. You have really done this scene justice, from what I have seen. I love the Dianoga, it reeks of awesomeness. Plus this gives us a chance to get Han/Luke in ST disguise with better sculpsts, etc. Hasbro is great sometimes. Most of the time, actually. I like Habro, what is so bad about them? They add gimmicks, so what? Have fun with them! :D Remember everyone, if it wasn't for Hasbro, this hobby we all enjoy might not exist...

Rogue II
11-01-2002, 08:24 PM
The Trash Compactor Scene looks great, as well as many of the other preview pics we have seen of the 2003 line. Please keep making sets like these and we will continue to keep the Star Wars line at the top of the Movie Toys.

Jayspawn
11-02-2002, 12:00 PM
Star Wars toys are always a hit when new ones show up in stores. So thank you Hasbro for making them!

evenflow
11-02-2002, 01:41 PM
This set is truly amazing. I would love to see other sets like this produced. If possible, could we get an entire dianoga. Please.


I can hope.

rherk
11-04-2002, 03:28 PM
It looks okay I guess. I would much rather have regular resculpts of Han and Luke stormtroopers. Ones I could actually play with and with this set coming out I can safely assume I will not see any. Oh well. Lifes a *****. Can't always get what ya want.

mark2d2
11-05-2002, 06:38 PM
evenflow, we ARE getting an entire dianoga. you need to go check out some more recent pics. :)

at any rate, this trash compactor set is indeed pretty spiffy. way better than even the cantina packs -- and i'm seriously a huge fan of those. keep them coming, hasbro.

also, love the silver artoo. very cool idea.

and thanks so much for finally giving me a sandcrawler after all these years.

there, my sucking up is done.

sith_killer_99
11-05-2002, 07:50 PM
I will save my judgement on the new TC sets 'til they are in hand.

However, my one cent wonder, Silver R2-D2 is in hand, and I do want to say....

Thank you!:D :D :D

Jargo
11-05-2002, 08:17 PM
Personally, I'll take the screen scene sets anytime over a metallised R2. It didn't take much enginuity to chrome the droid whereas it took many hours of careful skill and craftsmanship to resculpt the figures and make the bases. That's a lot of backache and eyestrain to get these sets looking so damn mighty fine and dandy. For whatever bad things i might say about the Hasbro product I really do appreciate the work the sculptors and designers put into these little figures. I've tried design work and sculpting myself with varying degrees of success so i can appreciate how long it takes to work something out logisticaly and gather the reference pics and fine tune the design, and then get the sculpt right. I can appreciate that what was intended for Luke was a fine idea that somehow just didn't quite work. Perhaps time ran out before he was completely finished. I've looked at certain figures many times and spotted parts that aren't of the same finish as the rest of the figure indicating a hurried completion to meet deadlines or something. It isn't an easy task to miniaturise anything. I appreciate that so when i whine and moan it shouldn't be taken as my gospel opinion. Look how much a whined and moaned about the saga figures yet I bought nearly all of them so far. The only saga figures i don't own are Qui-gon, preview jango and clonetrooper and flipping obi-wan. I still don't like the gimmick features and I still don't like many of the poses but the sculpting leaves me speechless on most of the figures regardless. detail is everything y'see.
I'm a collector and I get frustrated and this forum is where my frustration is vented. And the main reason I get frustrated is the lack of interaction between the toymakers and us the fans and collectors. I just don't understand the reasoning behind many of the decisions made by 'Hasbro' which lead to product being released in the way that it is. If i had some way of actively communicating with those responsible I could assuage both my frustration and curiosity regarding the production of these little marvels.
I guess this post isn't so much of a suck up but more of an apology for past behaviour. something I've been thinking about for a long time now. Feeling bad about some of the things I say. I know the heat of the moment is the worst time to pipe up but that's often the only chance I get to say the things I feel. Sorry if I actually hurt any of you hasbro guy's feelings at any time. It's sometimes hard to connect what we say with the fact that there are real people involved in this and you guys have feelings. What we diss is months of your time and energy. your work. I'd be pretty disillusioned if folk did that to me. I'll try to be more circumspect in future. Think before I speak a little more.

You can tell it's late here, I get very rambling and chaotic when I'm tired. Anyway, just wanted to record all of that before I forgot.
Thanks for listening to me though.

InsaneJediGirl
11-06-2002, 09:18 AM
I'd like to thank Hasbro in advance.The 2003 year looks great,from the recent GalacticHunter rumor list.Multi-Packs I am extremly looking foward to the most,especially the Jedi pack with Wookie Jedi!:cool::D:cool:

I also like the Death Star Trash Compactor set.The Dianoga is awesome,and probably the main reason I'll be picking up this item!:crazed:

OzOtter
11-07-2002, 05:53 PM
I think Hasbro do a great job with their collector oriented product. I understand that distribution can be tricky with such items, and that is where my frustrations truly lie. That hasbrocollectors thing seemed to be the way around it. What ever happened to that?

Beast
11-07-2002, 06:07 PM
The contract Hasbro has with Lucasfilm kinda killed that. According to the contract, Hasbro can't do direct sales to consumers. That's what caused the Muftak and Kabe set to get delayed so long, they had to get special approval from Lucasfilm to to offer the figure.

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

Jargo
11-09-2002, 05:41 PM
I'd also like to say thank you to Hasbro for the POTJ deluxe sets. I absolutely love Luke and the Bacta tank. That to me is the pinnacle of what the deluxe sets should be about. Same with Leia and sail barge cannon. A truly lovely piece of work. The Bacta tank may not do much but it's the accuracy in scale and the detail that works. Such a simple design but it dominates as a piece on display. The figure of Luke is excellent and i especially like the way whoever crafted him took the time to add in nipples..... cute. :)
Leia is great too, i love how the flesh wrinkles up as she's bent over to the one side - just love the details.
I was going to buy a few bacta tanks to do a diorama but sadly space limitations and the onslaught of the saga deluge precluded that from happening. But FX-7 is another item to say thank you for. Again it isn't a figure that does a terrible amount but those little arms are something to behold. I liked it so much i modelled my FX-7 avatar after the toy rather than the film reference shots. In fact I use the figures more than photos since the work has been half done in semi-cartoonising the characters. If it wasn't for the figures I wouldn't have been able to do so many avatars, so thanks on that score too. :)

Ook
12-06-2002, 02:19 AM
Damn fine job on 12" Zuckuss.

Jerjerrod
01-20-2003, 01:36 PM
Dear Hasbro,

For once, I would like to start a thread where collectors can thank you for a job well done, instead of complaining.

Thank you for your decision to make both Antilles and Dodonna.

I forsee that this decision will act as a turning point for your company's popularity.

P.S. Keep it up with the changing of the management team. :D j/k

Jerjerrod

Jargo
01-20-2003, 02:00 PM
Actually Jerjerrod, I started an identical thank you thread a wee while back when the trash compactor sets were announced. Perhaps it might seem incongruous considering the bashing I've been giving Hasbro lately but at the time I was genuinely happy that the sets were as good as they are. I believe that once the action features are dropped I'll once more be a happy and contented collector. There are things I genuinely like about the Hasbro team, I don't damn just for the sake of it and I praise where I think praise is due. The decision to make the top two choices from the fan's choice poll was the only real solution when all things are taken into consideration. Although I'm still slightly sceptical about the whole process I will admit to being somewhat pleased with the outcome provided the figures don't have action features when we finally see them. That is my primary beef with the Hasbro star wars line and I'm sorry but as long as the action features continue so will my adverse reactions and opinions.

*Perhaps this thread could be merged with the existing one El Chuxter?*

El Chuxter
01-20-2003, 03:27 PM
Originally posted by EMPEROR JARGO
*Perhaps this thread could be merged with the existing one El Chuxter?*

SHAZAM!! Consider it done! :D

Definitely a good idea for Hasbro to make both of these fellows. It shows there may be hope for them yet.

I got the Trash Compactor sets yesterday, and they are awesome. Excellent job there, Hasbro.

2-1B
01-20-2003, 03:34 PM
Hasbro, thank you for making both Antilles and Dodonna, and I thank you in advance for going ahead with Yarua. :D

Please? :crazed:

sith_killer_99
01-20-2003, 03:50 PM
Jargo, I like my little one cent silver R2-D2 he was a lot cheaper than my $40.00 Dianoga.

I pretty much threw away the rest of the garbage that came with my trash sets. (pun intended;) )

I may display these in my SW room, on the far side of the room.

Personally, I'm with rherk, I would have rather seen Luke and Han get the full on CT Stormtrooper approach with newly sculpted helmets on their own cards.

Stormtrooper Han, stike 3, we may never see him on a card.:cry:

What's that?

Oh, this is the Thank You Hasbro thread! OOooops :evil:

Thank you for:

Troop Builder sets (Stormtrooper, Rebel Trooper, Clone Trooper and Sandtrooper)
Troop Builder Accessory sets (even if they are Target Exclusives)
Cantina Sets (even if they are Wal-Mart Exclusives)
8 (possibly more) out of 22 Fan Choice poll figures.
Great Vehicles and Ships from POTJ and Saga lines (even if many were Store Exclusives)

:Pirate:

Jerjerrod
01-21-2003, 01:26 AM
*Perhaps this thread could be merged with the existing one El Chuxter?*

So THAT's what happened to my beautiful and emotional thank Hasbro letter! Found it! :D

As for "trashed" Han, I think he still looks great. He has a mean 'looking down' face going on.
Here's a pic from Galactic Hunter:
http://a9.cpimg.com/image/B3/37/16064179-ac1b-00DE0190-.jpg

bobafrett
01-21-2003, 11:26 AM
I really enjoy the Trash compacter sets! Thank you for those! I bought 2 of each, one to open and play with. I think the Han in that set is by far the most accurate sculpt I have seen.

Anybody know what is going on with the second set of the Cantina sets? I really like the first group, even though I hate Wal-Mart.

Jargo
01-21-2003, 06:09 PM
Apparently they're due 'soon' so they must still be on retailer lists as part of a shipment for next month or something. Seems a lot of stuff due in january is shoved back a bit to February. Hopefully they'll still make it. Hope so I have mine on pre-order from an e-tailer.

Jerjerrod
01-22-2003, 05:35 PM
Originally posted by Jerjerrod
As for "trashed" Han, I think he still looks great. He has a mean 'looking down' face going on.
Here's a pic from Galactic Hunter:


Ooops. As I said before, here's the new "trashed" Han. The link didn't work before.

coy5
01-25-2003, 06:12 PM
I agtee that hasbro gets a well deserved: THANK YOU! Sure, sometimes figures are made that do not accomodate everyone, but many times these figures are neccessary for them to make as so that they can get feedback. Can't wait for the 2003 line to come out. Keep up the good work Hasbro.

Jargo
01-25-2003, 09:20 PM
But do they hae to make so many lightsaber slashing figures just to get the one opinion off people. Surely one lightsaber slash is as good as the next one and we can judge it by just the one figure having it. Same with the quickfire action and the missile firing arms and the flipping figures and the.....

You take my point.

I'd like to say thanks to the guys who do the real work sculpting the figures. I have no beef with them besides a couple of minor face sculpt hiccups. My beef lies solely with the management team who organise and brutalise the toys in production by insisting that so many have been featurised and gimmickised. I feel for the sculptors seeing their work trashed and having to listen to so much of a backlash of anger about a trashed figure. Their work is lost whenever a figure has a gimmick. I used to enjoy sitting down with a figure and trying to find the marks of the sculptor in the figure, maybe a finger nail mark or a place where the tools dug in harder and you could see which kind of tool left the mark or something. Now I just either don't bother or the figure is so mangled by a gimmick and sloppy factory production standards you can't tell much of anything. I miss the joy of sculpt. I hope one day the toys will get back to some sort of joy for me. I'll continue to take joy in the older stuff but the new stuff is totally ruined for me. So sorry sculptor guys, your best work might pas me by these days as i leave eighty percent of the product on the pegs.

Jerjerrod
01-26-2003, 02:39 AM
Yeah, EJ, when that time comes around again, maybe they'll call it "Power of the Jedi", where they focus on the sculpt, realism, and toy quality. :D

No, but seriously, I think there might be a "rebirth" for that line. It's not impossible, right? Look at the past order of releases:

1. Power of the Force - great

2. -Shadows of the Empire subset plus EU - ok

3. Power of the Force w/FF, CommTech, and Flashback - greater

4. -Episode 1 - ok

5. Power of the Jedi - even greater!

6. -Saga - ok (plus CloneWars which might be good)

7. Next, in 2004: Power of the Jedi - GREATEST!!

Maybe!?! Yes?? No?? What do you guys think?

Jargo
01-26-2003, 02:13 PM
Power of the collector should be the next line. :D hasbro put forward a whole raft of designs for figures with various proposals asking which we prefer - gimmick or no gimmick, preposed or neutral, soft goods of molded plastic, articulation or statue etc. And then we the collectors vote out the unwanted elements until what's left is a range of product that we chose the options for, then there will be less griping because we helped make the decisions. fan's choice polls are piffle, I'm talking a worldwide referendum questionaire. Let everyone fill in an online questionaire about their personal preferences regarding the figures and how they are made. Hasbro gathers that info and collates it and translates it into a chart of good and bad points rated from 1-100. the lowest being 1. That means the characteristics of the figures we least like would be low rated and hasbro then ditches the low rated characteristics and concentrates on the higher rated ones. So for example if the action features are rated at just twenty that's a bad rating and they drop the action features from the figures. if articulation was rated at 63 then that would be the area to concentrate on etc.

Hasbro hasn't done this and it's just indicative of how little they care despite their protestations to the opposite. If they cared they'd actually do some real market research rather than rely on hearsay from the convention circuit. Hasbro UK managed to get a questionaire regarding their site users together to send out via E-mail and it worked a treat, gathering some real info about the people who buy the products in the UK. Hasbro US are just apathetic about the whole collector thing. It's all soundbites and spin but little positive action regarding the collectors. Is it any wonder then that with a lack of positive action there's a negative reaction?

power of the collector would be the best line yet. Ask the consumer don't dictate is one of the guiding principles of good business practice the world over but somehow that's escaped the attention of a certain toymaker company. :happy:

Jerjerrod
01-26-2003, 10:02 PM
Which shows it's pretty darn useless that Hasbro UK is actually collector friendly because in the end, Hasbro still releases the same figures worldwide. On the other hand, if Hasbro US will listen to fans as well, then we'll get somewhere. Or, they can just let their UK team take over all the decisions.
Btw, EJ, can't we just create a questionnaire page on our own here at SSG and send it to Hasbro? Whether they want it or not, we'll shove it in their faces. :D

Off topic, can anyone tell me when the "Kenner" brand was taken off Star Wars action figures and replaced with "Hasbro", was it because Kenner license expired, or was it because Hasbro bought Kenner?

Jargo
01-26-2003, 10:55 PM
Hasbro UK has listened to the collectors and has attempted to rectify some of the distribution problems, also bringing some of the exclusives into the UK for distribution to specialist stores. Might not be perfect but there's more stuff coming in because they know we want it. That wouldn't have come through without the two webchats or the questionaire. It's not a perfect set up but seems more two way than what hasbro US is prepared to offer in real terms. Sure they're a small team with a lot on their plates but it only takes one person to write a questionaire form and e-mail it out to all hasbro star wars members. Then have the damn thing printed and copied to hand out at the convention circuit and then to compile the results when they've all been sent in. One person. is all it would take. Lord knows it takes them a year to make a decision anyway.
they got 18,000 votes for this last fans choice poll. 18,000 voices voting one way or the other. and that was just a simple matter of pick one of five. Give those same 18,000 people a real say and a real chance to let theitr votes be counted for something more important. Not just one poxy figure but the whole line.

I couldn't tell you on the Kenner rebrand thing. Certainly they still had kenner on for a good while after the big boys swallowed the little boys. Could very well have been the license thing now you mention it. makes sense really. But seeing as I don't have the real answer I'll shut up. :p

Jerjerrod
01-27-2003, 12:06 AM
Whoa! 18,000 votes? :eek: $$$Cha-Ching!!$$$ Imagine all the money Hasbro can make, if fans were happy?

"Hasbro, look, you're throwing away a fortune." :D

Adam
01-28-2003, 12:55 AM
I'm sorry for the length, but I have a lot of thank you's to give.

Dear Hasbro,

Thanks for these figures from last year. I like them a lot.

Preview Clone Trooper - But more articulation next time, ok?

20th Aniv. Vader and Obi-Wan set - Awesome sculpts, but more articulation again.

Bespin Luke :Coulda done with out the lightsaber slash gimmick and some tweaks to his articulation, but a nice figure overall.

Bespin Chewie: Not much to say. Good figure

Endor Rebel Soldier: Same.

Nikto Jedi Knight: He's a one pose wonder, which is bad, but he looks good doing it. But again, lets get some articulation going.

Kamino Escape Jango Fett: I actually like the "gimimick on this one.

Yoda version 1: It may be that it took me forever and a day to find him, but I like this figure quite a bit.

Kit Fisto: Again, gimmick kinda holds it back a little, but sine he can hold his saber with both hands, I likes him.

Anakin Skywalker Tattoine Attack: Same as above.

Dexter Jetster: for his awesome sculpt

Watto: Sculpt. I also think that I'm the only person that likes the motion wings.;)

Red Clone Trooper: Nothing to add. The turret was actually a nice addition as well.

Clone Trooper Pilot: It doesn't really need that much articulation, but it couldn't have hurt. Looks good though.

Clonetrooper with Speederbike: The Speeder bike just plain rules. The subtraction of the break apart gimmick is great. The trooper on the other hand would have done well without his grenade chucking action. The removable armor was actually done well, which suprised me. The fixed handle bars are great, but why no wrist articulation on the right hand?

Padme Pilot: I wasn't going to get this figure at first, but got her for Christmas. I ended up liking her. The gimmick is not too intrusive, but its been my opinion from like age 6, that gimmick like "quick draw action" suck. They just do.

Nexu: Just cool.

Trash Compactor Screen Scenes: woulda been downright PERFECT if they were articulated more. Still awesome sets.

Darth Tyranus Geonosian Escape: This is a nice one. I'm not usually a fan of flapping capes(ie Besping Vader), but it was done well here. The left arm is gravy. The right arm needed ball jointing though. While the leg gimmick is better than the 1st Dooku's, it still sucks. Normally I complain if a Jedi/Sith figure can hold his saber with two hands, but this one is excused because of the lightning AND if you give me a Hanger Conflict Tyranus with good articulation and no gimmicks down the road. ;)


On the off chance that someone read this who works on Transformers: Armada looks at this, here are my comments on that line.

Thank you for:

Supercon Optimus Prime - Every TF should be articulated this well. EXCELLENT JOB.

Red Alert - Has decent articulation and gimmicks that do not compromise the figure. Again, good one.

Scavenger - I would have preferred legs instead of the stomping gimmick, but it is kind of neat. The electronic sounds are annoying though. The only TF I haven't taken the batteries out of is Super Base Prime since his trailer cant transform without it. Speaking of..

SuperBase Prime - I appreciate the fact that you fixed the problem with his arms. Unfortunaly, I bought him before that but it can be fixed with an xacto knife. The cab - It looks good. I realize it can't really be more articulated because of super mode, but more thought could have been put in it. Base mode - I'm not a fan of bases (unless they're big like Fort. Max, or Metroplex.) so I'll say you could have not done it at all and used the extra room inside for what a trailer is supposed to do. Hold stuff. Super Optimus Prime - Without the inclusion of the base mode, it could have been possible to give him some leg articulation and have the room inside for storage. The little gun that pops out on one side is cool, but why not the other side as well? Same thing goes for the missle launcher on the left leg. Why doesn't the left leg have one? His face should have looked more like Prime as well.

Megatron - When I first got him, I thought I would hate him, but he actually turned out ok. He would be exceptional if he had knees and could walk.

Starscream - Alt mood. Bleech. Why is the nose curving down? That looks.. wrong. His sword is a cool idea, but doesn't since his arms are not articulated enough to use a sword. The nullrays are nice throw back to G1, but it would be even better if they were removable and could be held in screamer's hands.

Demolisher - Cool TF. his head should be able to turn though.

Cyclonus - Everything except the arms are no good.

Blurr - The arms and legs coulda been better. Alt mode is good though.

Street Action Team - Perceptor is cool. More gestaults!(Minicons and regular TF's)

Street Speed Team - Alt modes look very nice. The robot modes look nice, but they fall apart way too easily.

And thrrrppt! for these stinkers!

Hot Shot - Why was his cool looking prototype canned for that.. thing we got? I like his gimmick and the way he looks over all, but his arms just kill the figure. His engine shoulda fit in his hand for a gun like the 'toon as well.

Sideways - His robot mode is terrible. The headmaster like gimmick is a good idea, but it looks bad here.


I'm looking forward to the Armada prototypes that have popped up recently! They look very nice! (Except for the Beast Wars repaints. BAAAD Idea imo.) And can't wait for Unicron!