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Darth Sinister
11-06-2002, 06:19 AM
Which once again proved that the bias media lost more than the Democrats did. These people have tried every way under the sun to cast a bad light on the Republican party while at the same time sweeping all negative issues pertaining to the Democrats and Democratic interest groups under the rug.

There was no way Jeb Bush was going to be re-elected...the good people of Florida have had enough they said. It should be now apparent to the Democratic party that the media is no longer their go to source for political brainwashing. That they may actually have to do something useful for the country instead of attacking everything Republican.

Rogue II
11-06-2002, 06:52 AM
I was listening to the radio this morning. The new Maryland Governer is the first Republican to hold that position since Spiro Agnew.

Woo Hoo! GOP!

derek
11-06-2002, 07:24 AM
now is the time for the republicans to ram their adgenda thru the senate. the heck with bi-partisianship. if the "people" don't like it, they can vote them all out in 2 years.

Old Fossil
11-06-2002, 08:15 AM
This country's going all to hell.

Patient Zero
11-06-2002, 09:01 AM
Going...Going...Gone!

I vote for ideas not people. I couldn't care less what gang they belong to. My question is: Where did all the good ideas go?

Exhaust Port
11-06-2002, 09:10 AM
Now they can pass any idea at any time with no voice of opposition. Why doesn't this sound like a good idea. I have this feeling we'll see a big swing back the other way after 2 years as voters try to bring some balance back to the government. You can't put all your eggs in one basket.

I'm with you Jonna, I vote for the idea not the person. We're totally screwed locally as the incumbant Congressman got re-elected. His big claim to fame is his goal to shut down our little local airport and develop it. Sadly the last family farm was recently sold off and developed so the airport is the only "green" space in the entire city. God, the last thing we need is another strip mall or housing development. I'll miss the trees but he only sees them cluddering up the view of our newest Jiffy Lube. What a chump!

scruffziller
11-06-2002, 09:46 AM
YES!!!!!!!!!

QLD
11-06-2002, 10:29 AM
Georgia has it's first republican governor in over 150 years.

stillakid
11-06-2002, 10:53 AM
Originally posted by The Ghost of Jonna
Going...Going...Gone!

I vote for ideas not people. I couldn't care less what gang they belong to. My question is: Where did all the good ideas go?

The beginning of the end:
Kennedy vs Nixon (http://www.museum.tv/archives/etv/K/htmlK/kennedy-nixon/kennedy-nixon.htm)

After that, it became more important to look good than to have sound ideas for governing. But, as any post-30 year old woman will tell you, looking good costs money.

In order for a candidate to get money in his election account, he has to go to people that have money and convince them to hand some of it over. The people most likely to do that have a lot of money and generally aren't inclined to just give it up. They want something in return.

Those "somethings" are programs and laws designed specifically to increase their own bank accounts, at the very least, replacing the money that they gave to the candidate in the first place. Call it an "investment" if you will. Republicans do this under the cover of "trickle-down" economics, otherwise known as Socialism.

Of course, neither system ever worked in practice as those with power and money are loath to give it up once they have it.

In any case, this system of politics we have which now thrives (in most cases) on who has the biggest election campaign fund pretty much shuts out real people with real ideas for improvement and change. Corporations and powerful (read: rich) individuals who want to stay that way can buy a candidate or party into power and exact repayment through policies that protect their hoarded cash.

Are the Dem's immune from this? Not necessarily. By necessity they too have to "earn" large amount of cash from rich benefactors. They too are somewhat "expected" to "help out" those who gave at the office. The difference is that their programs have more to do with helping people other than themselves and the super-rich Skull and Bones (http://www.bilderberg.org/skulbone.htm)-types. But again, the money thing locks those with genuine ideas out of the picture.

Where have the ideas gone? They're still around, but they're not allowed in the door anymore. :(

JON9000
11-06-2002, 10:59 AM
Originally posted by Darth Sinister
It should be now apparent to the Democratic party that the media is no longer their go to source for political brainwashing.

I never really understood this... I know NPR is liberal, and so is the NY Times... but...

I hate to be the one to break this to the world, but FOX news is very conservative, and believe it or not, Rush Limbaugh is a part of the mainstream media as well.

I would advise all of you between the ages of 18 and 24 to fill out your draft card, and all Iraqis to duck and cover. Just a suggestion...

:)

Lord Tenebrous
11-06-2002, 12:08 PM
Originally posted by JON9000


I never really understood this... I know NPR is liberal, and so is the NY Times... but...

I hate to be the one to break this to the world, but FOX news is very conservative, and believe it or not, Rush Limbaugh is a part of the mainstream media as well.


There would be nothing wrong with this if they'd just openly admit it. But they're all guilty of journalistic malpractice.


http://www.fair.org/extra/0210/inspectors.html


Perhaps it's fair to say that Bush has already politically brainwashed the media...

The Overlord Returns
11-06-2002, 12:20 PM
HI - Larious....

Darth Vellner
11-06-2002, 12:28 PM
Re: Re: Republicans regain control

It's a good thing!

The Overlord Returns
11-06-2002, 12:30 PM
Originally posted by Darth Vellner
Re: Re: Republicans regain control

It's a good thing!

How so?

Rogue II
11-06-2002, 02:17 PM
Originally posted by JON9000


I never really understood this... I know NPR is liberal, and so is the NY Times... but...

I hate to be the one to break this to the world, but FOX news is very conservative, and believe it or not, Rush Limbaugh is a part of the mainstream media as well.

I would advise all of you between the ages of 18 and 24 to fill out your draft card, and all Iraqis to duck and cover. Just a suggestion...

:)

The few radio people like Rush Limbaugh and G. Gordon Liddy don't nearly measure up to the number liberals members in the media.

You are supposed to have your Selective Service card filled out when you reach 18. But still, there is pretty much no chance of a draft.

sith_killer_99
11-06-2002, 02:59 PM
I never registered with Selective Service!:eek:

But that's because I am Active Duty Army. I entered the a Army at 19, joined at 18 (delayed entry).

Given the poor treatment of the military under the Clinton regime, it is safe to say that I vote Republican...for the most part. ;)

derek
11-06-2002, 03:50 PM
I vote for ideas not people

what ideas would those be? your idea is that reality is up to your own personal intrepretation, so technically, you could pretend the democrats are still in power!:crazed: (that's a joke, don't take it personally, or worst yet, haunt me or something):)

all those who think "this country is going to hell", need to remember that the majority of republicans are spineless weasells like trent lott and psychos like john mc cain who only care about keeping their power, and in mc cain's case, abolishing free speech. they aren't going to do too much to upset the apple cart. things will stay close to how they are, or were.

the republicans were in control of the white house, senate and house in 2001 and really didn't do much. and don't get me started on their wasted opportunities since they took over congress in 1994.

in my opinion, if they don't shut down the IRS, or at least totally revamp our system of taxation, they will have failed. and i'm betting on failure.;)

stillakid
11-06-2002, 04:15 PM
Originally posted by Darth Vellner
Re: Re: Republicans regain control

It's a good thing!

Yeah, if you're rich! :)

...or believe in cop-killer bullets...

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...or maintaining oil as our #1 source of energy...

...or keeping the poor poor, and the wealthy wealthy...

:)


EDIT: YES, that was an improper and unintentional typo! Thank you for catching that. I humbly withdraw that part of the statement.

derek
11-06-2002, 04:20 PM
Originally posted by stillakid


Yeah, if you're rich! :)

get ready for two years of this class warfare stuff, big time!!!
we're gonna see the dems in all their mean, ugly glory now. they're going to war, and their main goal is to scare grandma, the soccer moms, and minorities into believing that george bush is the second coming of adolph hitler.

The Overlord Returns
11-06-2002, 04:22 PM
LOL!!

He's not nearly as smart as Hitler was.

Nexu
11-06-2002, 04:35 PM
Stillakid, get your facts striaght. The liberals are the ones that think it's OK to kill babies, for the most part.

The Overlord Returns
11-06-2002, 04:36 PM
perhaps he meant "not" aborting babies.

Hasbro'sBountyHunter
11-06-2002, 05:37 PM
Republicans take control, eh? Welcome to Bush's America! :D

Lowly Bantha Cleaner
11-06-2002, 05:51 PM
Time for me to see the silver lining in the cloud.

Maybe this is a good thing for Democrats. The GOP has controlled the Supreme Court for years, they’ve won 4 out of the last 6 Presidential elections, and by and large, they’ve controlled the Congress since 1994. For the next two years, Republicans will be running the government. They have no one to blame for bottling up any of their programs, Tom Daschle can no longer be painted as "Mr. Obstructionist."

Once the American people see the true agenda of the Republican Party--namely the:
* overturning of the Clean Air Act. Oh, and I hope you have an arsenic filtering system for your drinking water.
*an end to Roe vs. Wade (whether you are pro-life or pro-choice, this statue is a compromise to the abortion issue).
*band-aid reforms for Medicare, Social Security--namely keeping programs solvent for the immediate future and not fixing or correcting or instituting a mechanism to correct it--also in the cheapest possible way.
*Oil executives are probably partitioning Alaska as we speak. Polar Bears and seals are probably being clubbed to death and sold, disguised as tuna.
*Gun manufactures’ lobbyists are probably writing bills that scale back background checks that prevent convicted felons, the mentally ill from getting firearms, weakening the Brady Bill, and the reinstitution of once illegal semiautomatic firearms.
*Corporate lobbyists are rallying for additional tax cuts—probably the same companies who through loopholes, were able to pay $0 in federal taxes in the late 1990’s. Can you blame them? I mean I’ve heard that some executives had to sell 1 or 2 of their worldwide luxurious 5 mansions because of the current state of the economy.
*The cementing of the growing national debt. Under the Bush tax cut (which currently expires in 9 years, but once the GOPers assume power, it will be made permanent). Government revenue has decreased dramatically. Well, does that mean Bush or the House of Representatives held the line on spending? No, they in fact increased it. Meaning our debt burden is on the rise. Our national debt is now at $5 trillion and growing. The average American pays 22% of their taxes just to pay interest on the debt. That’s billions and billions of dollars that could go to Medicare, Social Security, Veterans, etc. With additional tax cuts, this percentage would almost certainly grow after the GOP takes power.

I may be exaggerating a little bit about the above statements. The sad part is that I am exaggerating only a bit. What I typed, by and large, will actually happen.

Say what you want about liberal reforms and ‘The Great Society’ of LBJ, those programs actually saw results. Poverty declined from the mid to late 60’s and into the very early 70’s. And economic well-being for the Average American is the greatest reason why we may have a low/high crime rate, teenage pregnancy rate, high-school drop-out, etc. Remember the Reagan years? We saw the greatest gap between the haves and the have-nots, this country has ever seen. It was no surprise we saw high gang-violence, rising crime, growing abortion and AIDS rates, the birth of the Rust Belt, things we never really saw before. I just hope that we don’t return to that life again.

Don’t get me wrong, I am blaming the loss on Democrats. They failed to fire up their base. They never went on the offensive when it came to the war, the tax cuts, they shied away from those debates. They were on the defensive when they should have went on the offensive. They shouldn’t have tried to stand so close to the president on many of the issues, but instead offered a healthy alternative to his choices.

And I don’t detest all Republicans. I come from a family of 8 and I am only one of two nonregistered GOPers in the family (my own twin was a Republican but “saw the light” and switched to the Independence Party.) I just hate their leadership and the cesspool of lobbyists they swim with. Democrats are just as guilty, but teachers, unions, and everyone else in their base seem more palatable to me. And I do like John McCain, Christopher Shays, Guliani. They seem to realize to be the only GOPers who realize that money, the root of all evil, is the key to winning elections and that perhaps our elective system, budget process, appropriations system is in dire need of reform.

2-1B
11-06-2002, 05:56 PM
I don't buy into the idea of a biased media -- people like Rush, Hannity, Mike Reagan, and Savage all like to talk it up but when I actually bring myself to watch the rather boring CNN I fail to see it . . .

Maybe the "mainstream media" actually is pretty biased and get SOME people to fall for it, but I think the number of people being led around by talk radio would be much higher.

Meh . . .

2-1B
11-06-2002, 05:57 PM
LBC, I find baby seals much tastier than tuna anyway ! :crazed:

Boba Rhett
11-06-2002, 05:59 PM
Eh? Mainstream media is and probably always will be biased and I highly doubt that they aren't leading more people around than radio is.

QLD
11-06-2002, 06:02 PM
you should read the book BIAS. It's a look at the liberal bias in news. I found it an interesting read. Some of it seemed very accurate, and some did not. It was written by Bernard Goldstein, who used to be on Sixty Minutes, and other news shows.

2-1B
11-06-2002, 06:31 PM
QLDawg, and what is Bernie Goldstein's bias? :crazed:

Old Fossil
11-06-2002, 06:40 PM
Isn't it interesting that the publisher of BIAS prints books spouting right-wing propaganda, to the almost total exclusion of other points of view?

When one speaks of a biased media, that bias has many different aspects. Go to a bookstore's politics/current events section, and you will see that probably 75-80% of the dead trees lining those shelves are full of nothing more than rightist rhetoric, with little or no true scholarship to back up their figures. But that malarky is what SELLS.

The only real bias in the media -- whether it is books, or televsion, or radio, or whatever -- is towards PROFIT. If it's sensational, if it's what the folks want to hear (as opposed to what they NEED to hear), give it to 'em, and tally your profits at the end of the day.

Lord Tenebrous
11-06-2002, 07:12 PM
Sounds like we need some term definement.

Mainstream media (or the formal term, mass media) consists of several mediums, including television, radio, Internet, magazines, movies, newspapers and books.

With media comes ownership, and by the end of this year, we will most likely see co-ownership by one source of several mediums. This can be dangerous if the owners are not held accountable for their actions.

Not all mediums are about profit. Newspapers are high profit makers, but others like books, movies, and especially the Internet only have several profitable ventures each year. Low profits generally means more advertizing. Profit is based on success. The Washington Post was bankrupt in the 30's, bought for $800,000, and it is now worth $6.7 billion.

News is something not previously known. Somebody telling their views isn't news. News is what we would like to know about the world around us, and for that reason, news holds interests to at least one group of people.

And news, or more specifically journalism, is the art of fact and the act of holding both the subject of news and the provider of news accountable. It is a journalist's job to uncover the hidden truth, especially that hidden by the powerful.

The use of sensationalism in media, particularly in news, is called "yellow journalism". While some of its features still exist, the practice is far from accepted. :)

JON9000
11-06-2002, 07:52 PM
Originally posted by Rogue II


The few radio people like Rush Limbaugh and G. Gordon Liddy don't nearly measure up to the number liberals members in the media.

You are supposed to have your Selective Service card filled out when you reach 18. But still, there is pretty much no chance of a draft.

Maybe I am showing my own bias or don't read enough, but NPR and Salon.com are the only sources I've seen that come close to Limbaugh and his ilk and Fox news. I can name other sources of "Conservative" media (Washington Post- which I read), but I see no need to get into a pi55ing contest over it.

as for the last sentence, are you quoting Robert McNamara or JFK? ;)

sith_killer_99
11-06-2002, 07:54 PM
I tend to follow these old sayings:

"Figures don't lie, but liars can figure."
"Believe half of what you see, and NONE of what you hear."

Republican? Democrat? Independant? People are people, and as such you will find corruption within all political parties.

I take the issues and the politicians as they come, one by one.

Lord Tenebrous
11-06-2002, 09:02 PM
The Washington Post...conservative?


Obviously you don't realize that, for quite some time, it was the only newspaper to take Watergate seriously.

And don't try to tell me that Carl Bernstein and Bob Woodward were liberals. They were journalists assigned by the Post to report, beginning with arrests within the office building.


Care for another spin?

JON9000
11-07-2002, 11:12 AM
I am not sure what you are suggesting- do you think the WP is another so called liberal source, a conservative source, or right down the middle?

My ultimate point is that I do not believe there is some vast left wing conspiracy in the media, and I do not take kindly to certain individuals on the right suggesting anyone with a philosophy that leans toward the democrats has been brainwashed.

Darth Sinister
11-07-2002, 11:33 AM
Ok, not all the media is bias....just networks like ABC, CBS and NBC although they seem to be at least trying to even themselves out. For example: When the Bush twins were out partying and living it up, these networks really let them and the President have it....like father, like daughters they said....the apple doesn't fall to far from the tree they said.

However, when Chelsea was getting boozed up and stumbling around Oxford and almost got kicked out.....what did you of that, NOTHING!! No jokes about her wonderful family man father or anything negative about her. Why? Because that would put their main man Bill in a negative light.

This is just one example of many, and I have to go to work. These 3 major networks are what most people watch....most people don't sit around and listen to Rush or radio at all. Biggest joke of all time....Gore takes Florida....10 min before the polls closed. These networks didn't even give Texas to Bush that quick...nuff said.

Lord Tenebrous
11-07-2002, 11:53 AM
Perhaps this quote shall clear something up...



At a time when nearly half of eligible Americans don't vote, the news media have steadily reduced their coverage of government and elections, leaving citizens vulnerable to negative and misleading political advertising that fills the airwaves instead.

From the recent book News About the News, by Leonard Downie Jr and Robert Kaiser of, you guessed it...the Post.



So yes, the media has failed in that respect. But to blame them is also to blame yourself for not doing something about it. Who has encouraged the Democrats to find new, stronger leadership? And who has encouraged the Republicans to re-endorse bi-partisanship?

I don't vote because I can never find enough evidence to support any candidate. It's a bitter situation, seeing both sides with terrible shortcomings. Luckily, I've positioned myself wisely, completely disjointed from politics, and ready to do what I must, in the name of truth alone.

To quote Dooku in a cut scene:


The Republic cannot be fixed, m'lady. It is time to start over.

The Overlord Returns
11-07-2002, 12:03 PM
Originally posted by Lord Tenebrous
Luckily, I've positioned myself wisely, completely disjointed from politics, and ready to do what I must, in the name of truth alone.



I hope someone doesn't mis interpret this statement.....

Curious, by quoting Dooku, are you asserting your resolve to start a separatist movement in the U.S.? Or am I reading too much into it ;)

plasticfetish
11-07-2002, 02:58 PM
"Republicans regain control"

Well, it's about time. After they had lost it to the Democrats, who had it for a while after they had stolen it from the Republicans who had wrestled it away from the Democrats, who fondled it a bit, after they had borrowed it from the Republicans who had taken fairly good care of it, but didn't notice that it had slipped out of its pen at night, which was just like years before when it had gotten away from the Democrats during a rain storm ... but they tied a rope around its collar and held on to it for a while ... and then later lost it to the Republicans in a card game.

I'm just glad that we'll finally get that "chicken in every pot" we were promised, right? (Though I'm not sure I really like boiled chicken.)

The Overlord Returns
11-07-2002, 03:04 PM
Originally posted by plasticfetish
"Republicans regain control"

Well, it's about time. After they had lost it to the Democrats, who had it for a while after they had stolen it from the Republicans who had wrestled it away from the Democrats, who fondled it a bit, after they had borrowed it from the Republicans who had taken fairly good care of it, but didn't notice that it had slipped out of its pen at night, which was just like years before when it had gotten away from the Democrats during a rain storm ... but they tied a rope around its collar and held on to it for a while ... and then later lost it to the Republicans in a card game.

I'm just glad that we'll finally get that "chicken in every pot" we were promised, right? (Though I'm not sure I really like boiled chicken.)

HI - Larious!

Lord Tenebrous
11-07-2002, 03:42 PM
Originally posted by The Overlord Returns


I hope someone doesn't mis interpret this statement.....

Curious, by quoting Dooku, are you asserting your resolve to start a separatist movement in the U.S.? Or am I reading too much into it ;)



Oh dear, here comes that political correctness. I mean everything I can within the boundaries of society, namely the ethics of journalism. I'm peaceful, but I'll always seek to protect the access to truth. :)


And I like the Dooku line. It shows that, despite the sinister nature of Dooku's Rebellion, nothing lasts, and once corrupted enough, reform becomes the next step in the cycle. Both American politics and journalism need major changes from their current state of decay. We need to make choice and truth valid to the public again.

The Overlord Returns
11-07-2002, 04:42 PM
Originally posted by Lord Tenebrous




Oh dear, here comes that political correctness. I mean everything I can within the boundaries of society, namely the ethics of journalism. I'm peaceful, but I'll always seek to protect the access to truth. :)


And I like the Dooku line. It shows that, despite the sinister nature of Dooku's Rebellion, nothing lasts, and once corrupted enough, reform becomes the next step in the cycle. Both American politics and journalism need major changes from their current state of decay. We need to make choice and truth valid to the public again.

You won't get any PC rhetoric from me...........was just worried it might come from someone else....

and I agree with pretty much everything you've said, to which I owe you a thanks...as it eliminates the need for me to type!