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The Overlord Returns
11-15-2002, 04:54 PM
Jefferey Jones, noted hollywood character actor arrested on rather serious charges:

http://cnn.com/2002/SHOWBIZ/Movies/11/15/actor.arrested/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2002/SHOWBIZ/Movies/11/15/actor.arrested/index.html)


Funny thing is, this very serious arrest will not get nearly the level of attention the Winona Ryder shoplifting fiasco did.

Jargo
11-15-2002, 05:00 PM
Well duh! Winona has ladybumps and goes shopping, what did this guy do apart from **** off a kid? BOOOOOOORING! let's watch Winona on tape again, she wears see through!!!! :crazed:

El Chuxter
11-15-2002, 05:35 PM
That's sick. He really and truly is the Evil Overlord of the Universe (or whatever it's called). Howard, you wanna take this guy out of commission?

Deoxyribonucleic
11-15-2002, 05:40 PM
I almost ran over that guy many years ago when I lived up in Seattle. He walked right out in front of me with groceries in his arms, I slammed on my brakes and we both just kinda looked at each other dumbfounded. It was rather a weird moment as I thought, "Hey, that's the guy from Beetlejuice!"

For some reason this story is reallly surprising to me!

LTBasker
11-15-2002, 05:50 PM
Yeah, I think it's because he's a quasi-famous guy that was in more quiet roles. Truly odd...

Jedi_Master_Guyute
11-15-2002, 06:33 PM
You make me get out of bed...you have me make a phony phone call to Edward Rooney? the man could squash my **** into oblivioin and then, you deliberately hurt my feelings. :D

The Overlord Returns
11-15-2002, 06:46 PM
You know.......for some reason it doesn't seem that odd to me. I actually heard it briefly on the news this morning getting ready for the ole daily grind, and I have to say, surprise wasn't my initial reaction.

Perhaps it was his tendencyu to play rather creepy types.........

Still, I really enjoyed his performances....too bad he turned out to be of the scum of the earth.

Jedi Master Silas
11-15-2002, 07:20 PM
Sexual abuse a child..have kiddy porn in your home and folks dont take notice....steal a bow and some clothing and boy ol' boy you get nailed to the wall by the public and the media! Go figure...whats the world coming to???

I have my own opinion about sexual abusers and /or child abusers....I cant post it in here!

Deoxyribonucleic
11-15-2002, 08:20 PM
I just heard on the 5oclock news here in LA on Channel 7 that Paul Reubens AKA Pee Wee Herman, is being investigated for the exact same things as "The Principal" hmmmmm?

He went into the police station today for questioning. I wonder if someone messed up the news or if this s**t is just rampant????

James Boba Fettfield
11-15-2002, 09:50 PM
Their cases are related. They both had allegations brought against them by the same person, except Reubens has yet to have charges brought against him unlike Jones.

Jargo
11-15-2002, 09:59 PM
Over here there's been a really hard hitting long term campaign to get these perps into the criminal justice system archives. Tons of arrests in co-ordinated country wide raids. This includes several top celebrities and several not so top celebrities. if britain and the US are sharing their knowledge base of perps and perps sites that peddle kiddy porn, it wouldn't surprise me if there were a lot more people we recognise being banged up to rights. Anyone who would do that to a child or support that being done to a child deserves far worse than public humiliation and exposure as a sad and heinous individual. I'm not terribly fond of kids as many will have gathered but i would never NEVER harm a hair on any childs head. They annoy me but at the end of the day those annoying kids are our future. if we allow the scum to mess with them we screw up our future before it's begun so to speak.

I've known of cases where child sex abuse has been with babies. I used to do some work with the child protection unit of the police and I have to say the graphic details of what some of these perps do to kids to get their sordid kicks would make your hair stand on end and your blood boil. I only helped in the respect that i worked for an agency that employed roleplay actors for training purposes. My job was to take the place of a child in training where an interview would have taken place after abuse allegations had been laid. So I had to become a child who had been abused for the sake of training police opfficers to deal with that situation. I was given comprehensive casenotes taken from real cases, names were removed but all the other facts were real. all the specifics of what happened and how often and who with. It was the most disturbing work I've ever done getting into the mnd of a child with a shattered life and shredded innocence, I wept every night for months afterwards.

This sort of case is all too common these days. all too common. A clampdown will do society good but unfortunately drive the real perps who build the websites and take the photographs into even more secrecy and even further underground. It's really a vicious circle. Like a dog running round trying to bite its own tail.

jjreason
11-16-2002, 09:33 AM
I've unfortunately seen the destructive effects these types of allegations (both founded and unfounded) can have on the home. I truly pity the child(ren) involved and its (or their) family. I also pity "Ed" in a weird way, as the allegations always wind up on the front page. He's guilty to us already. If and when the trial comes to pass, were he to be aquitted, would there be a thread started? Unlikely.

The bottom line is this: people with different sexual preferences don't feel like it's wrong for them to be turned on by their subjects. As sick as this is, I've been TOLD by superiors to deal with these people as though I understand how they feel, and to question them under the premise that what they've done is normal. It's tough, especially after having interviewed a child and his or her parents about some horrific event. Ive seen homes of victims destroyed in mere weeks by allegations such as this and the parents' inability to cope with what's happened. Imagine watching your 5 or 6 year old child trying to annwer a defence lawyers difficult questions, or seeing pictures they've drawn about what's happened to them. It tears at my heart. I fully support any and all properly conducted investigations into these heinous crimes, regardless of who has to be brought into the open and exposed for what they are.

Jargo
11-16-2002, 10:27 AM
Good points JJ, I apologise for being so hasty in judging but as I said, Doing the work I've done and being given some of the facts that wouldn't normally reach the public ears I know how vicious these abuses can be, Jeffrey may be innocent but considering the apparent evidence of materials found on his premises it seems unlikely at this stage. There was a case here recently where Jonathan King, the man who discovered Genesis (the dour prog rock group) was found guilty of child abuse over a long period, Gary Glitter of glam rock fame was also found guilty of long term child porn use. 'Stars' seem to think themselves above the law at times and high profile cases are good because they get in your face, you can't really escape them or brush the subject under the carpet. It's true what you said about the way it affects families whether the allegations are founded or not. I also (having slept on this) wonder if this isn't a forced allegation. It's so easy to target someone who has been in the public eye and accuse them of some crime of abuse. Michael Jackson knows all about that. What is the situation with this kids parents? Are they the ones pushing the charges? Is it simply about money? It's so easy to jump to conclusions and condemn kangaroo court fashion but given a nights thinking time, reason kicks in and the other sides of the coin start to figure in the equations. One would hope that he's innocent and these allegations are unfounded, But that won't as JJ said remove the dirty smear of the case. Jeffrey will always now be remembered as that guy who faced child porn allegations. I can't see his career being very healthy from this point on. And the kid and his family will also be tainted with this, if they are wrong then they will be smeared with a 'cry wolf' stain. That isn't easy to live with in a community. And if Jeffrey is guilty then this kid will be plastered all over the media, adding further trauma to what he may be going through already.
The one thing I do know is that around eighty percent of child abuse is conducted by people who know the child in question very well.

The Overlord Returns
11-16-2002, 11:47 AM
Originally posted by jjreason
were he to be aquitted, would there be a thread started? Unlikely.

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Actually, being the thread starter for the news of his arrest, IF he were found not guilty, I would definitely post the information for discussion. I have always enjoyed his work, and a part of me, though it is looking very doubtful, hopes he is NOT GUILTY.

However, with reports that they've been investigating him for a while, and the pile of evidence mounting, it seems that he is, indeed, guilty.

In Toronto, when a pedophile is released from prison, the neighbourhood he is sent to is notified that he is there, and there are rather strict laws enforced as to where the pedophile can and can't go. It's a good system, but flawed of course. There is always a rare case of re offending when the chance arises. In fact, a pedophile was just sent here to my neighbourhood in Parkdale, one of the more, umm, colourful regions of Hogtown...


As for Paul Reubens....this news really doesn't surprise me.

Lowly Bantha Cleaner
11-16-2002, 12:05 PM
This guy Jeffery Jones is from my neck of the woods--born in Amherst, New York here in the Western part of New York (so is Rick James) I was quite surprised to here the news. It seems like he has fallen on hard times lately, not appearing in the roles that he was accustomed to in the 1980's (Howard the Duck, Ferris Bueller, Beetlejuice). Maybe that was his coping outlet. Who knows? I'll never understand the things some Hollywood types do to continually get in trouble and their faces in the tabloid, like MJ, Robert Downey Jr., Paul Ruebens, Gary Busey, etc.

QLD
11-16-2002, 12:14 PM
I think child porn is a lot more widely rampant than we care to believe. I think if everyone in the country was exposed, we would all be surprised by the names on the list. I bet there would be tons of politicians, religious types, celebrities, etc.

R. Kelly, Pee Wee, Rooney, Downey Jr., who's next!

There is just no excuse for it.

jjreason
11-17-2002, 01:49 AM
The fallout of a full disclosure would absolutely blow everyone's mind, no doubt about that. Jargo's post included a factoid: 80% committed by people somewhat known/close to the victim - in my experience it's been even higher than that. I can't think of a complaint that's come into our office about an allegation such as this where the child didn't know "whodunnit".

SIDEBAR:

Id also like to attach an amendment here re. my last post, I referred to people of different sexual orientations in one sentence and then in the next declared Ive been told to treat these people as if they're normal. I don't mean to offend anyone, my shot was against those preying on weaker persons.
Enjoy your sexuality, wherever it may lead - but victimizing someone weaker for gratification is reprehensible.

JEDIpartner
11-17-2002, 10:56 AM
Jeeps! Jeffrey Jones got really Fat!

There's nothing worse than a fat perv.

Jargo
11-17-2002, 01:41 PM
Um, a violent one? One that never gets caught? One that terrorises and traumatises children over countless years and hides behind the safety net of the Catholic church?

2-1B
11-17-2002, 02:23 PM
Originally posted by JEDIpartnr
Jeeps! Jeffrey Jones got really Fat!

There's nothing worse than a fat perv.

:rolleyes:

:mad:

QLD
11-17-2002, 06:39 PM
I'm fat, and I am perverted. But I don't look at freaking kiddie porn!

Does that mean that there's nothing worse than me?

Geez JP, I don't know what you have against fat people, but you have been a little heavy handed on the comments lately.

scruffziller
11-18-2002, 07:46 AM
Originally posted by The Overlord Returns
You know.......for some reason it doesn't seem that odd to me. I actually heard it briefly on the news this morning getting ready for the ole daily grind, and I have to say, surprise wasn't my initial reaction.

Perhaps it was his tendencyu to play rather creepy types.........

Still, I really enjoyed his performances....too bad he turned out to be of the scum of the earth.

I agree. He just seemed like that person that if this happened you wouldn't be surprised. I could say the same for Pee Wee Herman. I could say the same for alot of celebs that this has happened to. Can't really say there have been anyone I wasn't surprised by. There is just always an evident "vibe" that you got from them.

JEDIpartner
11-18-2002, 09:28 AM
Originally posted by Quite-Long Dong
I'm fat, and I am perverted. But I don't look at freaking kiddie porn!

Does that mean that there's nothing worse than me?

Geez JP, I don't know what you have against fat people, but you have been a little heavy handed on the comments lately.

I don't believe I said "fat people were perverts..."

Neither did I say "I hate fat people", "There's nothing worse than a fat (accountant, lawyer, garbage man, secretary, teacher, etc...)"

I don't believe I have EVER said anything against fat people (except for Rick McCallum)...

I merely made a comment about Jeffrey Jones... not you and not any other person who is fat. I just hadn't seen him in light years and he really changed.

Actually... I live in Cleveland, Ohio and many of my friends and relatives are fat. It's just a fact around here... we're a midwest town with loads of big people!! I always hung out with the fat kids and the geeks in school because they were "stripped". By that, I mean "without pretention" and REAL. They knew what it was like to hurt and didn't hurt other people's feelings because they KNEW this. I would ALWAYS rather hang out with the "REAL" people than the so-called "popular" people who were so bloody shallow. So... don't EVER suggest that I have a problem with fat people or ANY type of person of a height, weight, shape, colour, race or occupation different to me. A person who isn't on the up and up is a person I have a problem with.

People talk about Rick McCallum's weight and George Lucas's weight around here all the time... why single me out?

Sorry if I offended you... seriously.


p.s.- by "perv" I meant someone who acts on their thoughts in a criminal way... not someone who is "freaky". jeez...

Dave_Cameron
11-18-2002, 10:05 AM
Hey JP, I wouldn't worry about it. I could see that you meant nothing by your comment. It's too bad some of the people here can't just take the comment for face value and not read into things. You're a good guy and those of us who really know you know that you are just as much of a pervert as QLD.

QLD, I don't post here very often, but I do sign on and read the forums. I didn't see JP getting heavy-handed in any of his recent posts. If nothing else JarJar has been posting some things that look pretty provocative. Even those aren't that bad. Can't we call just get along?

JEDIpartner
11-18-2002, 10:15 AM
thanks for the back up there. I seriously meant NOTHING by that... it was just a simple comment. YIKES!

I guess it's just like the "real world". you can't say anything without offending SOMEONE! :(

Jedi Drew
11-18-2002, 01:52 PM
Hey JP-I don't think that your posts have been "Heavy Handed." There are just some people that don't like others opinions or think that they "Know It All." Now thats my opinion. Please let's all try to get along and not start a flame war. :eek: :eek:

The Overlord Returns
11-18-2002, 01:55 PM
I can't believe people are arguing about what kind of "perv" is worse....

Jargo
11-18-2002, 03:51 PM
Who's arguing about that? If you mean me then I was just commenting on a statement. Nothing hostile intended but the fact remains that there is something worse than a fat 'perv' as I said above. And that's a 'perv' who goes unchecked.

The other part of this argument is only down to an offhand comment being read the wrong way. Blown out of proportion.

Jedi Drew, care to elaborate on those who think they 'know it all'? If that comment isn't incitement to flame war then i don't know what is. Of course there are some people here who don't like others opinions. If we all agreed on everything we'd all be like the Stepford wives - zombie morons. The fact that we don't all agree is actually a healthy thing. The fact that some people can't take even the slightest amount of critism without throwing a big hissy fit is what's wrong here. It's a forum which means place of discussion and debate. Which obviously means differing opinions which makes a conversationand dialogue that much more interesting and dynamic than all agreeing and having threads that say so. Threads in which everyone agrees with each other die a hasty death so i for one would rather have it this way with strong opinions and disagreements.

JEDIpartner
11-18-2002, 04:35 PM
... I have a feeling he meant someone like "deadeye".

QLD
11-18-2002, 08:24 PM
I apologize, I should have kept the matter private, and not brought it into a public forum.

Thank you, move along, nothing to see here.

:)

JEDIpartner
11-18-2002, 09:08 PM
we're pals again... :)

Life is good...

2-1B
11-19-2002, 01:24 AM
A flame war with JP ? Oh puhhhhlease. :D

I think JEDIpartnr is the coolest damn person in this joint, I just thought it "shallow" to rip on a dude's fatness in the midst of serious concern over his horrendous (alleged) crimes. As if that had anything to do with said allegations . . .

I love you JP ! :happy:

JEDIpartner
11-19-2002, 09:03 AM
Awwww... thanks C!! You're pretty damn cool, yourself! By the way... that picture is pretty creepy! :eek: Rick looks like he's enjoying that hand a little too much and it appears he is preparing to move it a little further south! :evil: :eek:

Jedi Drew
11-19-2002, 09:48 AM
I'll take the 5th on this issue. Let's all get along. :) :)