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InsaneJediGirl
11-15-2002, 06:23 PM
I know this was written way back in April 99,but as I rediscovered the article today,it brought up a question:Whats with Starwars Geek Bashing?I posted the article,although most likely know it.


By Mitch Albom
For years, the most insensitive people I know have been screaming that we need to get rid of the street people. I finally agree.
Not the homeless people. Not the poor people who have real reasons for sleeping on the sidewalk.
No. The street people I have in mind are sitting outside Mann's Chinese Theater in Los Angeles, and soon will be doing the same at the Zeigfield Theater in New York and dozens of other movie houses around North America. They will go weeks without bathing, sleeping against walls. And for one reason:
The new "Star Wars" movie.
It is called "The Phantom Menace." It does not open for a month. By that point, these people will be in a mouth-frothing frenzy. Thanks to that wonderful invention the Internet. Luke Skywalker groupies all over the world have been E-mailing one another since last year, counting the hours, making travel plans, getting all goose-bumpy.
When the first preview of "The Phantom Menace" appeared, they stormed the theaters, paying $8 to watch the two-minute trailer, then leaving before the movie began in order to race home and E-mail other geeks about the life-altering experience.
Now they are lining the streets, with pillows, potato chips, and (hopefully) toothbrushes, taking a month out of their lives to sit in breathless anticipation of a film about make-believe spaceships.
Take us, Lord. We're done down here.
All this for a movie?
Did you know there are already nearly 7,000 Web sites devoted to this "Star Wars" movie? In message boards you can find testimonials from people who have seen the previous films hundreds of times. They know every line. They worship George Lucas, the director. They collect every piece of minute trivia about droids, sand people and Jabba the Hutt.
And now they are on the move. One site organizer who lives in Australia wrote about the trip to America the way our forefathers must have gushed about the New World:

"I am running around in circles, up and down walls, I am WAAY excited! In just over 48 hours I'm booked on a plane leaving for Los Angeles....
"While I'm flying across the ocean, Ayaz will update the site should any big news hit the 'Star Wars' universe....
"I might have to explain to the flight attendants why I keep babbling, 'Invasion!' ...'Wipe them out, all of them!' ...Wooohoo! ...Episode One, here I come!"
OK. Somebody get me the stun gun.
Now, the frightening thing isn't that there are loonies like this Aussie out there. It's that there are so many. And, what's worse, the American media are buying into this as if they owned stock in Lucas' production company.
USA Today is printing a regular Star Watch item, listing how many days until "launch" of the film. And those "infotainment" shows can't get enough of this stuff. Countdown to Darth Vader! Can you wait? By the time May rolls around, there will actually be hundreds of thousands of spectators, reporters, publicists, salesmen, merchandisers, photographers, men, women, children of all ages, swirled into a pulsing, heaving, sweaty mania over The opening of a movie.
The opening of a movie?

Money for nothing

Let me ask the people on-line a question. Do you think George Lucas gives a fraction of a damn about you -- the way you do about him? Do you think the actors who played Han Solo and Princess Leia have any interest in your interest? Do you think they're going to dub you a Jedi Knight one day and make all your problems go away?
The move is not a religion. It is not symbolic. The purpose of "Star Wars" films is 1) to make money and 2) to make more money. This latest installment cost $115 million -- more than twice the amount the United States sent to Kosovo recently for relief efforts. The producers are hoping to make back close to $2 billion.
None of that will be given to the people on-line.
Maybe the saddest part of this whole thing is how many of these "Star Wars" sheep are young people in their early 20s. Isn't that the most exciting time in life? When everything is possible?
Instead, their lives are so empty that they spend days in front of computers, E-mailing strangers about a movie.
The critics were right. We should scoop up these pathetic people, send them home to Mommy and Daddy, tell them to start over, giving them a life.
Repeat after me: Darth Vader is not real. R2D2 is battery-operated. And the only thing The Force is interested in is your eight bucks.

First,why Starwars Geeks?Lets compare to the World Series or the Superbowl.Fanatical Sports..uh..people deck out everything they
possibly own in team colors,including themselves.The proceed to buy tickets,fly across
country,etc..Is that any different that what some(most?) Star Wars fans would do.So,why is it
just the "geeky" fanatics/subjects that get picked on and not others?

Albom mentions Lucas doesnt care about the fans,but do the players/owners/operators of other
hobbies care about their fans?No,maybe a few select persons/groups/whatever care at the most.Again,whats the difference?

Can anyone explain why?:confused:..Maybe I just have WAY too much time on my hands:crazed::D

QLD
11-15-2002, 06:34 PM
Because your average Star Wars fan is a lot smaller than your average footall fan?

I happen to be a huge sports fan as well as a Star Wars fan. If I had to choose, I would choose sports. But I don't, so I enjoy both.

To an extent I agree with some of the things mentioned in the articel, and find them humorous, even though some of those things are directed at me. I'll be honest, I don't tell everyone that I am a SW collector, because, well, there is a certain stereotype that goes along with it.

Did anything I say fit in here? I don't know! :crazed:

But I know I shoved my fair share of geeks in lockers, and also was the receiver of many insults as well. I just accept it as part of the hobby, not that it makes it right.

Anyway....I am really babbling now.....

I'll go before I say something else stupid....

Jedi Master Silas
11-15-2002, 07:05 PM
No one has a problem with my or my husbands SW obsession. Peopl who havent seen our house but have heard about it ask to see "The Star Wars rooms". We've never been abused for our love of SW. People make fun or what they dont understand maybe thats the case here. Who knows.

Exhaust Port
11-15-2002, 09:29 PM
I think you hit the nail on the head with your comparison to sports fans. There's a strange line that is crossed as seen by some when you're seen as a fan of a movie vs. a fan of a sport. The 2 genre's are completely different but have many similar habits between the 2 fans. So why is there a stigma against the perception of SW fans? Is there really any bashing going on?

I don't really think so. With the amount of coverage that the SW entertainment world gets just shows how popular it is. Just going to the SW movies show how diverse the audience is. The SW fan/audience has crossed nearly every ethniticity out there and having done so, made it nearly bash proof. Of course bash proof might be a bit of a stretch but it's not that far off.

These SW bashers that love to make themselves the center attention each few years are quite in the minority. So compared to any other group of fans out there I don't feel that SW is any more of a target than the fat guy painted up in his favorite team colors at the football game.

As you said Jedi Master Silas, a lot more people are genuinely interested in seeing ones SW collection than say your Dr. Who, Star Trek or Hot Wheels stuff.

Wolfwood319
11-16-2002, 12:46 AM
I think the biggest ironic thing about this, as people have brought up, is the sports comparison. I've met a lot of Star Wars fans, and most of them seem to be cool, down to earth people who love Star Wars.

But I've met these sports fanatics, that are sad. Ex-High School football players who work dead-end jobs, who still talk about the "glory days" of their state championship run, or what-not. But that not gets criticized to the extent that Star Wars fans receive.

Oh well though...

LTBasker
11-16-2002, 01:37 AM
I think the biggest thing about it on the SW fans and Sports fans comparison is that there are countless sports fans out there who will sit in the freezing cold at games with their shirt off drinking cold beer with paint all over them.

Well the closest thing that's even been done to that in SW fandom is girls wearing a Slave Leia costume, but how can you complain about that? :eek: :D

Darth Cruel
11-16-2002, 02:19 AM
I laugh at people who bash me as a Star Wars geek. There are worse things to be. Like Democrats and Republicans. Now THERE are the groups of people who need to be bashed.

Of course I am kidding. I do not condone nor tolerate intolerance. The only people I am intolerant of are the intolerant.

robman71
11-16-2002, 05:51 AM
Now, the frightening thing isn't that there are loonies like this Aussie out there. It's that there are so many. And, what's worse, the American media are buying into this as if they owned stock in Lucas' production company.
USA Today is printing a regular Star Watch item, listing how many days until "launch" of the film. And those "infotainment" shows can't get enough of this stuff. Countdown to Darth Vader! Can you wait? By the time May rolls around, there will actually be hundreds of thousands of spectators, reporters, publicists, salesmen, merchandisers, photographers, men, women, children of all ages, swirled into a pulsing, heaving, sweaty mania over The opening of a movie.

Hmm...Can anyone see the irony here. Seems this guy is trying to make a buck, by bashing those making a buck.

Jargo
11-16-2002, 08:46 AM
Do you enjoy your hobby? does your hobby satisfy you? Does your hobby cause harm or inconvenience to anyone else? Is your hobby violent? Can you fit your hobby around your life rather than the other way round? Does your hobby continue to throw up new aspects after all this time?

What the hell was all that about Kosovo? So the salaries of sports stars isn't sickeningly gross. A movie costs $115,000,000 and they're complaining when sports stars take an annual income of something in the region of $40,000,000, Add up all the salaries of sports stars and this guys report is just picking fault where there is no fault. When was the last time there was a riot at a star wars event? When was the last time anyone got hurt while watching one of the movies? When was the last time an actor in a star wars movie was arrested for murder or child abuse or any other terrible crime that sports stars seem drawn to. We as star wars fans might be meek, we're certainly no worse than the sports fan reeling off stats' going back a hundred years. Or the sports fan who goes to every away game and buys every team shirt there's ever been, We star wars fans are meek but definately not geeks. We just have more decorum and better sense than to go drinking while getting our entertainment. Star wars movies offer the exact same rushes that a sports match does. The chemicals in our brain react just the same. But you never hear of darth vader fans beating the crap out of luke skywalker fans after a screening of ESB. Sports fans on the whole are savages and nothing more. I'd rather boil my own head than spend time with football fans. Unruly heathens..... ;)

Exhaust Port
11-16-2002, 09:02 AM
Originally posted by EMPEROR JARGO
But you never hear of darth vader fans beating the crap out of luke skywalker fans after a screening of ESB.

Boy that would have been hilarious to watch though. NERD FIGHT!!!!!

Jedi_Master_Guyute
11-16-2002, 11:02 AM
hahahhaha Yeah, there would have plastic lightsabers, blasters and pocket protectors flying amok!!

Anywho, I really don't mind for those who crack on my SW obesession. Most of my friends have known about my SW obsession ever since we've been friends. It went from the point of jokes here and there (which were usually funny, i must admit) to wanting to see all the toys i had. If somebody is giving me guff over SW, i just do the Jedi Mind trick motion and say, "You will not make fun of me for loving Star Wars" and while they're laughing at me, I knee them in the groin and run very fast the other way. :D

QLD
11-16-2002, 11:17 AM
Yeah but soccer (football) isn't a real sport. ;)

2-1B
11-16-2002, 12:51 PM
Mitch Albom is just bummed that nobody sat in line for a month to read
"Tuesdays with Morrie" :rolleyes:

dirtybones
11-17-2002, 11:09 AM
I'll be honest, I don't tell everyone that I am a SW collector, because, well, there is a certain stereotype that goes along with it.

What is the sterotype that goes along with being a SW collector? All my friends and family know that I collect SW, and almost all of them have helped with the growth of my collection in one way or another. So do they also fall into this " sterotype " your talking about?

Dar' Argol
11-17-2002, 02:30 PM
Originally posted by dirtybones
What is the sterotype that goes along with being a SW collector? All my friends and family know that I collect SW, and almost all of them have helped with the growth of my collection in one way or another. So do they also fall into this " sterotype " your talking about?

I think the sterotype he is referring to is that all SW Geeks, (Hey, I'm a GEEK and I know it:D), are pathetic losers who live at home/alone and take this stuff too seriously. Think if you will about the "Classic" image of a Comic Book Collector and this is about the same, just insert a lot of SW stuff in that image.

ME, I don't care. I was a Geek/Dork in high school, and now I have graduated to FREAK!:crazed: I will always be a geek and I don't care. Nicest thing you could ever say to me is how much of a freak/geek I am. I take that as a compliment:D

BTW, did anyone figure out what we are called??? Like Star Trek has Trekkies, Star Wars has . . . . . . . . . ????

Jargo
11-17-2002, 03:43 PM
Star trek also has Trekkers, don't forget them or they'll get antsy :) Warsies? Warsers? Warts? I don't think there is anything you could do with star wars other than 'fan' Star wars fans are in a league of their own and above the need for a stupid tag. We simply - exist.... :happy:

Darth Cruel
11-17-2002, 07:20 PM
You mean TrekkIES. I was one of those for a short time as well. But that was a long time ago.

scruffziller
11-18-2002, 06:37 AM
I think the difference between a sci-fi fanatic and a sports fanatic is the way they are percieved by the public. Since sports is associated with being "active" physically, people are more apt to imitate it by exercising doing it keeping fit, even though there is a large amount of them binging beer. So sports is seen as being seen as socially acceptable because its heros are real life people with more "physically pleasing" goals than the life of a "sci- fi geek." How many activities in the sci-fi fanatics' world constitute rigorous cardiovascular excerisise that lead to a trim physique that would give an edge in the dance club scene.

Jargo
11-18-2002, 07:20 AM
Dance club scene? what does that have to do with anything? Trim physique? So all star wars fans are fat are they? You seem to take the POV that the dance club scene is cool and the only scene that is cool. Well that's subjective opinion. Each scene is cool to the people who dig it respectively. Hero worship is dangerous, following one sports star is obsession just the same as following say Carrie Fisher or Natalie Portman. Or Anthony daniels or Ewan McGregor. The difference is that sports fans tend to be more pushy and throw their weight around far too frequently when things don't go their way. Sci-Fi fans are more civillised and sedate. Sport is all brawn and not much thought. Following Sci-Fi increases your imagination and your knowledge of the world about us. How many people can talk about quantam physics without knowing it after watching star trek? the concept of hyperspace, black holes micro singularities, particle transference, antimatter containment problems.
Sports are basically pointless shoving of small round balloons from one end of a field to the other. hardly highly skilled work, hardly food for the brain. Racing is pointless in any form. Mindless pursuit.
My brother is a massive Formula one racing fan and acttually went and bought part of one of the crashed cars. He drops everything to watch a race even if it means staying up until four in the morning to watch it live. He idolises Ayrton senna(sp?) and has a collection of miniature racing cars all over his pad. Wheras Although I would say I was a die hard fan of 25 years i would certainly not drop everything just for star wars or any other sci-fi. I have the smarts to be able to keep a grip on my interests and not let them control my life. Sports fans don't seem to be able to do that and will bang on and on and on about their sport at the drop of a hat, true compulsive obsessives. Sports fans are dull as dishwater, boring as hell.
Sports fans display all the attributes of primitive man and can hardly be called advanced human life whereas Sci-Fi fans have become enlightened about life the universe and everything and will surely be the ones who survive to inherit the earth. Intelligence over strength. Sports fans are vanilla people who will follow blindly just because they have a need to follow something.

Jedi_Master_Guyute
11-18-2002, 07:41 AM
Ok, this is kinda gettin' wacky here. Somehow we ended up talking about the dance scene and how sports fans are mindless idiots. That's kinda overgeneralizing if you ask me.

What ever happened to the idea of just doing something cause you enjoy doing it? I don't mind that people enjoy watching sports more than I do because odds are, i love SW alot more than they do. I like to watch sports given I have the time to and that some of my favorite teams are playing. So, If i enjoy watching sports and love Star Wars, am I mindless Sci-Fi geek?

Just do what you like and don't give a rats a-- what other people think of you. :D

scruffziller
11-18-2002, 08:24 AM
Originally posted by EMPEROR JARGO
Dance club scene? what does that have to do with anything? Trim physique? So all star wars fans are fat are they? You seem to take the POV that the dance club scene is cool and the only scene that is cool. Well that's subjective opinion. Each scene is cool to the people who dig it respectively. Hero worship is dangerous, following one sports star is obsession just the same as following say Carrie Fisher or Natalie Portman. Or Anthony daniels or Ewan McGregor. The difference is that sports fans tend to be more pushy and throw their weight around far too frequently when things don't go their way. Sci-Fi fans are more civillised and sedate. Sport is all brawn and not much thought. Following Sci-Fi increases your imagination and your knowledge of the world about us. How many people can talk about quantam physics without knowing it after watching star trek? the concept of hyperspace, black holes micro singularities, particle transference, antimatter containment problems.
Sports are basically pointless shoving of small round balloons from one end of a field to the other. hardly highly skilled work, hardly food for the brain. Racing is pointless in any form. Mindless pursuit.
My brother is a massive Formula one racing fan and acttually went and bought part of one of the crashed cars. He drops everything to watch a race even if it means staying up until four in the morning to watch it live. He idolises Ayrton senna(sp?) and has a collection of miniature racing cars all over his pad. Wheras Although I would say I was a die hard fan of 25 years i would certainly not drop everything just for star wars or any other sci-fi. I have the smarts to be able to keep a grip on my interests and not let them control my life. Sports fans don't seem to be able to do that and will bang on and on and on about their sport at the drop of a hat, true compulsive obsessives. Sports fans are dull as dishwater, boring as hell.
Sports fans display all the attributes of primitive man and can hardly be called advanced human life whereas Sci-Fi fans have become enlightened about life the universe and everything and will surely be the ones who survive to inherit the earth. Intelligence over strength. Sports fans are vanilla people who will follow blindly just because they have a need to follow something.

I was only referring to stereotypes/generalizations that the article is based on.

mabudonicus
11-18-2002, 08:36 AM
Anyways, leats get back to the real issue- what the hell do we calls ourselves?? There's gotta be a good term thaht doesn't have the word "geek" in it...
I too am a Hockey fan, SW fan and a huge Metal fan, and participate in all those areas, and I don't hate Metal whilst watching SW, or feel ashamed of SW whilst yelling "Go Leafs", it's all good, there's no identity crisis within, anyways.
Indeed, just do whatever floats yer boat, and Ferget em if they can't take a joke.
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

scruffziller
11-18-2002, 08:46 AM
I should generalize my listings from dance club scene to "pick up scene where the desirable people are". In my experience, there are not very many "desirable" women waiting in the line to see SW or at any convention. And even so, I met a very desirable girl who was an equal fanatic than I about various subjects of the like and yet I had no luck with her because she knew she could find someone better looking than me.

James Boba Fettfield
11-18-2002, 09:01 AM
Wait, so it is wrong for the author of the article to bash Star Wars fans, but it is alright for someone to bash sports fans? Stop generalising everyone because of what they like and dislike. Believe it or not, but there are sports fans who are also Star Wars fans. Sports are more than people simply putting Ball A into Hole B for the score. There is strategy involved. By criticizing the fans of other interests that you feel are not high enough to your standards, then you have become no better than the man who wrote the article that started this thread.

dirtybones
11-18-2002, 10:09 AM
Originally posted by James Boba Fettfield
Wait, so it is wrong for the author of the article to bash Star Wars fans, but it is alright for someone to bash sports fans? Stop generalising everyone because of what they like and dislike. Believe it or not, but there are sports fans who are also Star Wars fans. Sports are more than people simply putting Ball A into Hole B for the score. There is strategy involved. By criticizing the fans of other interests that you feel are not high enough to your standards, then you have become no better than the man who wrote the article that started this thread.


I think it's funny that G.L. has put his to cents on this whole topic in AOTC. The "football" game that is being played by robots on one of the big screens in the bar that Obi-wan and Anakin walk into looking for Zam. The way I look at it, I get to have two of my favorite things in one helping.

JEDIpartner
11-18-2002, 10:38 AM
My partner has been getting on my case about my collection as it is not displayed in a "proper" case and continues to grow. Not one to smart back to him, but he has NO hobbies... where I have a couple (Star Wars, Music, Writing...)

His friends come over and make an occasional comment or two. I remind them that they spend more money on Cigarettes and Alcohol in one year than i do on my collection. One even went so far as to say, "Yeah, but your stuff is everywhere in this room. At least with my cigarettes, I can throw them out when I'm done!"

:confused:

Throw them out when you are done?? At least what I have spent my money on isn't a disposable or temporary thing. I have "something" to show for it in years to come rather than just (basically) throwing my money into the rubbish bin. I don't make any wisecracks about "his unhealthy habit" (or the fact that he hasn't a drop of common sense), but I end up having to take his "abuse".

I don't think that MOST of the people I know bash me for liking Star Wars. It's usually the people who don't recognise the fan or hobbyist in themselves who take cheap shots at us.

The Overlord Returns
11-18-2002, 12:26 PM
The interesting thing here, is seeing how many "SW Geeks" actually buy into this geek status that's thrust upon them by the media. Despite the fact that we seem to have to bash things that others enjoy in order to make ourselves feel better, we also seem to believe the stereotypes placed upon us.

I have never hidden my star wars fanboyishness. Any girl that's gone out with me learns about it pretty damn quick. Why bother? Eventually it is going to come up...and if they are so shallow that they make a judgement about me based on one thing I like, well what the hell would I want them around for?

Personally, I am a pop culture junkie in general. I love film as a medium, ditto for comic books and music. I'm about as obsessive about music as John Cusacks character in "High Fidelity" (add to that the fact that I bear a slight resemblance to Cusack, and everyday it seems someone turns to me and says: you're just like john cusack in that movie!...ugh). I know it has surprised many a person when they discover that not only can I describe, in detail, the reasons for why Vader stopped Fett from shooting at chewie, and then turn around and discuss the fine points of "Hamlet", or the latest developments in world politics. Sure, for one moment they thought "geek".....next minute I throw on a track from "The Beta Band", and they're saying "cool".

The point is, everyone is a fan of something. I will profess my love for star wars as vocally as my fondness for Iggy Pop, or my sad Sack Toronto Maple Leafs. Ditto REAL football and Formula 1....

And for those who say sports are all brawn and little brain, that could not be more incorrect. Any athlete that excels in their sport has to be able to calculate angles, timing, when to shoot. There's a hell of a lot of skill involved, physically and mentally. You don't get to be a Gretzky, or a Jordan, wothout having a brain.....

Interesting little note. In Toronto, the big "movie squats" that happen before the release of a new sw film are rather intricately planned. They are actually an organized charity. The members who want a reserved spot pay for their ticket, and donate for a childrens charity. While the line is waiting, donations are sent in to support those who are sacrificing their time and energy for this.....It's a brilliant idea, and certainly is a nice way to do some good while being an obsessed fanboy ;)

Exhaust Port
11-18-2002, 12:28 PM
I love the cigarette/alcohol comparison. That's how I exactly look at my collection goods, as equal if not less value of a cigarette/alcohol habit. I honestly spend less than others that smoke and I haven't damaged my health in the process.

JEDIpartner
11-18-2002, 07:18 PM
precisely!

JON9000
11-18-2002, 07:32 PM
I'll go out on a limb and agree with the author that sitting on a corner waiting for a month to see a movie is a "monumental waste of time," to quote William Shatner. I anticipated the film as much as the next fan, but I had many other things to do.

Those poor devils sitting on the corner were probably doing it for the attention- I saw them all over news shows and the E channel. That really is worshipping the trilogy. Sort of like the worshippers of the Juggernaut in India, throwing themselves beneath the wheels of the massive cart transporting the idol of the god as a testament to their faith.

In spite of this, the author seems to know a lot about the SW universe- characters, actors and the like. I think he is a self hating SW geek. Mitch, say it: "I love Star Wars and I am not ashamed!" Welcome to the fold!:crazed:

Jargo
11-18-2002, 08:03 PM
I think people missed the irony of my posts somewhere down the line. My some of you are very touchy about this whole issue. Stop taking it so seriously and playing into the hands of those who knock your interests. I couldn't care less about whether or not i'm percieved as a geek or not. I probably fit the description quite well, but at the end of the day i've never bothered with what anyone else thinks about me. That's their affair, if they want to bust a gut getting irate about it then let them. i'll sit back and enjoy what i do and enjoy what i've got thanks for asking. I stopped being bothered about whether or not i was fashionable and hip a long long time ago. I decided to be me instead. I like being me more than trying to be like someone else or pleasing someone else or impressing someone else.
At this precise moment in my life I have a lot of time to spend and a lot of money to spend on my hobby. When that ceases to be I'll just adjust my life accordingly. I'm obsessive by degrees. The more frre time i have the more I indulge, the less time the less I indulge. I don't take my hobby to work with me, I don't take my hobby anywhere else with me, I don't let it invade my life to the point that people tell me to shut up about it. My point about sports fans would be that they can't seperate their hobby from their life. Sure not all sports fans are like that but the majority are. Unable to take control of the hobby and letting the hobby control them. There are star wars fans like that too. There are clubbers like that, anglers like that, gun enthusiasts like that. See, singling out star wars or sci-fi fans is just wrong. The obsessive behaviour of a couple of people is what this guy was getting at in his report and that's true of sport fans waiting in line for tickets to a match, or a following of tennis fans who camp out at Wimbledon every year to get center court tickets for the finals. That kind of behaviour can be applied to any collective who go that one step over the edge of sane reason. They're all geeks in one shape or another.

mabudonicus
11-18-2002, 09:14 PM
waitaminute.... that was IRONY???
Sorry Jargo, I guess it just seems so, well, out of character




Actually, if all of us got a dollar for every missed kernel of irony, we'd all be rich.... Rich geeks, that is..
Nah, seriously, man, Jargo's right. I would probably be mistaken for a "stoner", headbanger or hippie before anyone called me a geek... and other than "headbanger", which is close, I would take offense at any attempt on ANYONE's part to categorize me with a classification that has obviously negative connotations, and would likely proceed to advise them that they could shut up at that point since they obviously had nothing of any real value to tell me besides media buzzwords and convenient pseudo-intellectual reflections which are nothing more than regurgitated opinions from startv or whatever.
Any generalization about any group of people is bound to be wrong and generally useless, and the whole SW geek label is about as useful as saying that all Russians, say, are evil.. an allusion which served for a long time to enforce certain points of view that made a lot of people feel good about harbouring notions that had absolutely no factual basis, but which were necessary in order to further certain ulterior agendae..
Lessons over, and the only stereotype which is actually, irrefutably true is LANNY.
DIS-MISSED!!!!!
WOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

InsaneJediGirl
11-19-2002, 07:49 AM
Hm,Maybe I shouldnt have used sports as an example?:DI wasnt bashing(nor trying to sterotype) sports fans,considering most people enjoy sports to some degree.I do agree with Jargo though,that singling out one group of fans of some hobby is wrong.There are "geeks"(or really obessive people) in probably every hobby known to man;)

mabudonicus
11-19-2002, 07:57 AM
Yeah exactly, but it is weird that someone who really loves fine wine isn't called a "wine geek" , just cause it's something that is respected by joe average; the media gives it a legitimacy.
Same as guys who love cars, or football......
Seems only the stuff you'd require imagination to appreciate harners the title "geek", which is funny, cause imagination, despite what the media tells ya, is not for sale, and if you don't have any all you can do is envy bigger and better numbers (IE more horsepower, better 0-60, older vintage, higher,more respectable price, more limited quantity), since envying/enjoying bigger and better ideas is just outright impossible for these types, the dupes etc.
Dammit, I gotta stay away from this thread, it makes me feel so olympic:):):):):)......

Jargo
11-19-2002, 07:59 PM
I'm laughing my butt off right now at the thought of an olympic mabudon :D Going for Goooooooold!!!! ;) How many geeks does it take to change a lightbulb? Ten, one to do the changing and eight to discuss how the lightbulb should have been changed if... and one to build the website dedicated to lightbulb changing.

Patient Zero
11-19-2002, 08:03 PM
Originally posted by EMPEROR JARGO
I'm laughing my butt off right now at the thought of an olympic mabudon :D Going for Goooooooold!!!! ;) How many geeks does it take to change a lightbulb? Ten, one to do the changing and eight to discuss how the lightbulb should have been changed if... and one to build the website dedicated to lightbulb changing.

Shut the hell up! I run that web-site!
:mad:

Dar' Argol
11-20-2002, 11:40 PM
Originally posted by EMPEROR JARGO
I'm laughing my butt off right now at the thought of an olympic mabudon :D Going for Goooooooold!!!! ;) How many geeks does it take to change a lightbulb? Ten, one to do the changing and eight to discuss how the lightbulb should have been changed if... and one to build the website dedicated to lightbulb changing.

Hmmmm . . .. . and I think I posted about said lightbulb changing. I will have to go and retrive it for all to enjoy:DIts funny, cause it reminds me of this place at times:rolleyes:

Ahhhh . . . . . here we go, I found it. Now just replace "Internet Mail List Subscribers" to Geeks, or SSG, or whatever:D.



Q: How many internet mail list subscribers does it take to change a light bulb?

A: 1,222

1 to change the light bulb and to post to the mail list that the light bulb has been changed;

28 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and explain how the light bulb could have been changed differently;

14 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs;

149 to write to the list administrator about the light bulb discussion and its inappropriateness to this mail list;

111 to post that this list is not about light bulbs and to please take this email exchange to litebulb-list;

112 to defend the posting to this list saying that we all use light bulbs and therefore the posts are relevant to this mail list;

309 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, where to buy the best light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs work best for this technique and what brands are faulty;

26 to post URLs where one can see examples of different light bulbs;

15 to post that the URLs were posted incorrectly and then post the corrected URLs;

4 to post about links they found from the URLs that are relevant to this list which makes light bulbs relevant to this list;

32 to link all posts to date, then quote them including all headers and footers and then add "Me too";

13 to post to the list that they are unsubscribing because they cannot handle the light bulb controversy;

18 to quote the "Me too's" to say "Me three";

5 to suggest that posters request the light bulb FAQ;

43 to ask "What is a FAQ?";

6 to ask "Didn't we go through this a short time ago on Usenet?";

141 to ask "What's Usenet?";

9 to argue whether it's "lightbulb" or "light bulb";

Another 9 to condemn those 9 as [EDITED]-retentive;

177 to demand that cross posting to illuminati-l about changing light bulbs be stopped.





WOW, didja see how I uesed the "edit" button . . . . . . . . he he he:rolleyes: ;) :D

plasticfetish
11-21-2002, 02:51 AM
I dunno ... I've always considered myself more of a "nerd" than a "geek". The word "geek" is so limiting ... "nerd" on the other hand is universal. (huh? what?)

So, I just got around to reading this guys article ... every day it's been ... "oh no, I'm not reading that."
Now, all I want to know is ... what high school paper did you pull this from? Wait ... that's not being fair to some of the better high school writers ... errr ... what Jr. High ... errrr, no ... who is this guy? I've been reading junk like this for decades. What a lame pile of cliché nonsense. What's the next brilliant slice of biting commentary from Mitch ... "Hey guy's Batman's just a comic book character! Go get a life." Oooof. Anyway ... old article yes, old tired subject yes-yes.

Back to the "nerd" thing. I realized a long time ago, that most of my friends and the people that I genuinely got along with where either obsessive or weirdly passionate about something that the average Richard or Jane wouldn't possibly give a potty about. I've other friends that are Sci-fi fans, I've friends that are into old culty B-movies, I've friends that are obsessed with old Italian scooters,I've friends that collect toys, I've friends that collect records, I've friends that are into old cars and hotrods, I have one friend who collects vintage electric fans ... there's a lot of people out their that are passionate about a lot of things that don't have to do with the birth-school-job-death order of things. I'd have to agree with JON9000, if Mitch isn't a closet fan ... then he's just missing that part of the/his brain that understands FUN. Some people don't have it. They can't get into hobbies or diversions and they can't understand why anyone else would. Folks ... those people are what, in my little world, WE call "squares".

When I was a young teen ... sometime back in the early '80s ... my little group of friends and I used to be into things like computers and comic books and roll playing games and video games and science fiction movies. Now, largely I would suppose it's people like my old friends and I that Mitch is trying to get work from. Hey ... good luck Mitch ... (you boring twit).

Exhaust Port
11-21-2002, 10:19 AM
Originally posted by mabudon
Yeah exactly, but it is weird that someone who really loves fine wine isn't called a "wine geek" , just cause it's something that is respected by joe average; the media gives it a legitimacy.

I think they prefer Wine-O (sp?) or just plan alcoholic. ;)

mini-rock
11-22-2002, 11:29 PM
Short story. I just had my cable installed in the new house I just moved into. The cableman was here for a few minutes and then asked me if I lift. I said I used to be a bodybuilder, but now I just lift for fun. Eventually he came in and saw my theater room which has my entire 12" Star Wars figure collection set up in the rear of the room. He asked "Are those yours?" I said "Yup!" He said "You don't look like the kind of person that is into Star Wars." So I said "And WTF does a person who is into Star Wars supposed to look like?" Just joking around of course. He couldn't get his words out when he tried to apologize, and I told him I was just kidding. I even had a smile on my face when I said it, but that didn't matter b/c he left the paperwork and told us to go ahead and mail it in and was out the door in less than 90 seconds. I didn't intend to scare this guy, but I have to admit it was kinda funny to see him run outta my house after he thought he had ****ed me off.

I'm a geek, and I don't care who knows I collect Star Wars figures. I wear my Jedi shirt proudly to the gym, and anywhere I feel like for that matter.

Exhaust Port
11-22-2002, 11:52 PM
That's funny mini-rock. :D