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Jayspawn
11-21-2002, 12:54 AM
I'm curious as to how many James Bond fans are here. I'm looking forward to "Die Another Day" this Friday.

I have not seen all of the 007 movies but I'd have to say that "The Man with the Golden Gun" is my favorite of them. Francisco Scaramanga (Christopher Lee) has to be my favorite villian too. I'm not sure who my favorite Bond is. Probably Sean Connery, Pierce Brosnan and Roger Moore are tied for second with me right now.

Anybody else? Favorite movie? Villian? Girl? Car? Bond?

James Boba Fettfield
11-21-2002, 08:38 AM
I was always partial to Oddjob. I liked when he would throw his hat and it looked so non-threatening.

The Overlord Returns
11-21-2002, 09:01 AM
DR. No wil always be the coolest Bond Villain..........

And Goldfinger will always be the ultimate Bond film...

any movie that can get away with a female lead called "***** Galore" is tops with me!


P.S. I can't believe you can't say ***** on this site. Come on, what if I was talking about a cat???

Mandalorian Candidat
11-21-2002, 09:35 AM
Actually it's Pooooshy Galore. You have to say it with that hybrid scottish-english Connery accent. :)

I probably won't see DAD until it comes out at the $ theatre. I'm really turned off by Halle Berry and all the hype piled on her by the MGM/UA PR machine. Plus that Madonna song blows chunks. I do hope the film is good, though.

As for my favorites...

Movie: 'Goldfinger'
Villain: Toss up between Christopher Walken, Christopher Lee, and Donald Pleasance
Henchman: Jaws
Girl: Cary Lowell
Car: Aston Martin from 'Living Daylights'
Bond: Connery (Take that Trebek!)

Edit

I'll also throw in my two favorite theme songs.

Rock-based: A View to a Kill by Duran Duran
Nonrock-based: License to Kill by Gladys Knight

OK, OK. I know it's a cop-out, but I can't choose which one I like more. :)

bobafett07728
11-21-2002, 11:30 AM
I probobly won't see Die Another Day this weekend. . .but I will see it. I have seen them all up to this point, and don't plan on stopping now. As for my favorites. . .

Favorite Movie - I still have to go with Goldfinger. . .its just a classic!
Favorite Bond - Sean Connery. . . simply the best. . .
Favorite Villain - Blofelt. . .simply because he spans over numerous films
Favorite Henchman - tossup between Jaws and Odd-Job
Favorite Bond Girl - why do we insist on asking THIS question. . . 97% of them friggin' rule!!!!!! I refuse to dignify this question with an answer
Favorite Bond Girl Name - now THIS I can see answering. . . Holly Goodhead, with Ms. Galore & Plenty O'Toole battling for runner up.

I'm hoping the movie is great. . .and Pierce keeps up with his quality portrayal of 007. Too Bad Q isn't around though.

The Overlord Returns
11-21-2002, 12:05 PM
my personal fave Bond girl is still the FIRST bond girl.....honey...aka..Ursula Andress.........

Pendo
11-21-2002, 01:45 PM
I'm a big Bond fan. Went to see DAD last night and I must say it's the best bond film in a long time. OK, it aint nothing compared to the old movies, and I still feel that GoldenEye is the best Brosnan Bond film but it really had some of the elements that the older movies had. I felt like I was a child watching them again :).

There were a few elements I didn't like about the movie such as Gustav Graves parachuting into Buck Palace - how CORNY!!!

Anyway, here's my 007 faves:
Bond- Connery
Movie- Goldfinger
Bad Guy- That one who is across between Blofeld and Oddjob. What's his name again???

...Oddfeld ;)

Henchman- Jaws
Girl- Ridder and Ms Galore
Location- Cuba
Car- Aston Martin DB5
Gadget- Ejector Seat :D

PENDO...
DANNY PENDO! ;)

wedgeA
11-21-2002, 02:45 PM
Film: Either Goldfinger, followed closely by Thunderball.
Villian: Either Gert Forbe from Goldfinger or Sean Bean from Goldeneye.
Girl: Michelle Yeoh from Tomorrow Never Dies
Bond: Connery, but Brosnan is close.
Theme: Tie between "For Your Eyes Only" and "A View to a Kill" (dance into the fire!!)

As for DAD, I am hoping it will be good, I loved the first two Brosnan films, but I was hugely disappointed by The World is Not Enough. In fact, the only worse films in the franchise are the Dalton ones (IMHO).

JediTricks
11-21-2002, 10:32 PM
Originally posted by Mandalorian Candidat
I'm really turned off by Halle Berry and all the hype piled on her by the MGM/UA PR machine. Plus that Madonna song blows chunks. I do hope the film is good, though. I feel the same way about all that, but I'll be seeing it next week or the week after at regular price 'cause I'm a sucker. ;)

I'm a big fan of Bond, favorites have never been my strong point though. I can't decide on ANY of the categories here, the music especially since I play ALL the songs at least twice a week.


Originally posted by wedgeA
I loved the first two Brosnan films, but I was hugely disappointed by The World is Not Enough. In fact, the only worse films in the franchise are the Dalton ones (IMHO). While I too was very disappointed by TWINE, I feel very differently about the Dalton films, especially Living Daylights. To each his own, of course, but I feel that TWINE was right down there with View to a Kill and the 2nd half of Moonraker; while Living Daylights is up near the top and Licence to Kill (the first Bond picture I saw on my own) is somewhere in the middle with Octopooshy ;) and Live and Let Die.

scruffziller
11-22-2002, 07:56 AM
I hear that Halle Berry just kills the movie.

Pendo
11-22-2002, 07:59 AM
Originally posted by scruffziller
I hear that Halle Berry just kills the movie.

Well because I'm in love with Halle I wouldn't say she killed the movie. I think the movie could have been done without the character, but Halle Berry was, IMO, perfect in the role.
Perhaps the movie would be better without the character, or a smaller role for the character (Bond needs a sex interest), but I think Berry was perfect for the role.

:)

PENDO!

Jayspawn
11-22-2002, 10:49 AM
I was a little put off when I heard Halle Berry was in the movie. But why not, Bond has to nail 2-3 women per movie. So Halle won't be the only one.

wedgeA
11-22-2002, 02:36 PM
JT,

Funny, there seems to be two extremes regarding Dalton. I am one of those who feel that he, along with his "inner child" Bond performances, nearly killed the franchise. However, some fans I know feel that he is actually the closet to Fleming's original character, and put him near the top. Actually, they also feel that License to Kill is the better of his two. I have not seen it, as I was so turned off by The Living Daylights.

Jayspawn
11-22-2002, 04:01 PM
While Dalton is not my favorite Bond, I kinda liked "License to Kill."

The papers gave "Die Another Day" 2 1/2 stars. But the papers wouldn't know a good movie if they saw one.

QLD
11-22-2002, 10:23 PM
Surely Halle Berry is TONS better than Denise Richards was. She was freaking PATHETIC!!!!!!!!!

JediTricks
11-23-2002, 02:42 AM
Originally posted by Quite-Long Dong
Surely Halle Berry is TONS better than Denise Richards was.That is saying very little. That's like saying eating brussel sprouts is tons better than eating your own foot. ;)


As for Dalton, he had a more serious tone and was new, I think that's what put a lot of folks off, he was the cold character that every other Bond is accused of being by the woman he's currently with. I'm not sure I understand the "inner child" reference though wedge. But to me, that coldness just made it feel like the version of Bond in For Your Eyes Only. Plus, The Living Daylights had cool gadgets and reasonable villains and a plot to go along IMO, so I don't understand how it gets so badly bashed by so many. Then again, many 007 fans hate OHMSS but besides being too long (TLD is also guilty of that crime), it seems like a fairly good Bond pic despite Lazenby's shortcomings.

Oh well, Dalton makes a better bad guy anyway, see the Rocketeer as proof.

wedgeA
11-23-2002, 04:54 AM
JT,

The inner child reference is actually inaccurate, I merely use it as a reference to Dalton trying to make Bond a much deeper character than he should be, and in my opinion, failing at that. I believe Brosnan referred to it as "method Bond" when he took over the role. Sorry, it was the best pseudo-witty reference that I could think of.

As for Die Another Day, at least it was better than the last one, but not by much. Overall it was disappointing, the action scenes were clumsy and uninspired, and the plot was horribly developed. The villian stunk as well. I thought the scene with Q was brilliant though, and the sly reference to one of Cleese's most famous films was classic. The franchise needs to go back to using action directors. Using more respectable directors may sound good, but in the end, they have no effect on the dramatic quality of the films, and the action scenes come off as amatuer.

Imperial Monarche
11-23-2002, 08:04 AM
Die Another Day was perhaps Brosnan's best James Bond, but Goldfinger is the best. what movie was christopher lee the bag guy? I mean, is that guy like the bad guy in the three biggest movie franchises of all time (Star Wars, LOTR, James Bond)

Jayspawn
11-23-2002, 11:31 AM
Christopher Lee was the villian in "The Man with the Golden Gun" He played Francisco Scaramanga. One of the best Bond movies.

Jayspawn
11-25-2002, 02:00 PM
I saw Die Another Day and thought it was pretty good. And it wasn't poisioned my Madonna's cameo. The action scenes were pretty good. One of my favorite parts was when the person on the snowmobile smashed into Bond's invisible Astin Martin. Zao was a pretty good bad guy too.

JediTricks
11-25-2002, 07:23 PM
wedge, I see what you're getting at, but I felt like Brosnan pulled the same stuff in Goldeneye and I forgave both... though it took about 3 years for each film for me to forgive, I'm fickle that way. ;)

As a kid, I really enjoyed Roger Moore's 007, but by the time I hit double-digits, the character felt really thin because I felt like "how many men can one man kill without reacting psychologically some way and still remain a protagonist the audience can enjoy watching?", so a little colder Bond was needed, one who could turn his charisma on and off as needed. And of course, there is always a balance, too much of it and it's a character study, too little and it's a video game - TLD never felt like it pushed too hard in either direction for me.

2-1B
11-26-2002, 02:19 AM
I liked Die Another Day. It was a fun movie, very entertaining. MUCH better than the last movie, but I guess that isn't saying much . . .

Anyway, I didn't mind Halle Berry, I thought she did just fine.

Michael Madsen was cool to see. :D

I REALLY liked Miranda Frost, she was a nice addition. I never heard of the actress who played her, I'll have to check into some other films she's done . . .

Jayspawn
11-26-2002, 09:54 AM
The actress who played Miranda Frost is Rosamund Pike. She's done some TV work but thats about it. "Die Another Day" is her big screen debut. I'm sure she'll have more now.

Michael Madsen was good. I rolled my eyes when I heard Halle Berry was casted but I thought she did great.

scruffziller
11-26-2002, 02:04 PM
Finally saw it. I thought it held its own and was one of the better ones that we have seen. TWINE and DAD were better than Goldeneye and Tomorow Never Dies. So hopefully they will continue to improve. I liked this one and the last one about the song. Madonna's song was very wrong for the movie. Too techno for Bond. TWINE's song is THE best Bond song ever!!!!!!
The only problem that I had with the movie is that it seemed very cookie-cutter Bond. But it did have a great deal of stimulating moments such as the sword fight which was excellent.

JediTricks
01-03-2003, 05:22 AM
I finally spied Die Another Day (hah! a pun! ... anyway) and was seriously disappointed in this film both as a fan of adventure/action films and as a fan of 007. Madonna played her part fairly wooden, but it wasn't particularly offensive -- I wish I could say the same for Halle Berry. For me, she's totally unbelievable and uninteresting in this film, I don't even find her attractive here so Ms Oscar-winner isn't even on par with Denise Richards' horrible turn as a Bond-girl. Jinx is played flat and wimpy and bland, and more than that, this disposable part has been written up into a full partner player for Bond; rewritten from TND's Wai Lin into a character that they want to spin-off into its own franchise! Bah humbug to that idea - damn MGM suits.

As for the rest of the film, it suffered long before Jinx made the scene. Having Bond in a concentration camp for 14 months was not only ridiculously excessive, but also made for unbelievable Bond-writing -- I could buy at most 4 months (and of course Bond gets out of prison a year and a half later and is still in such good shape that he can take down several guards and swim half a mile in the freezing water... right), but this felt like a subtle way to have Bond out of the picture during Sept 11th as well as add some totally-foreign-to-the-series drama - not to mention possibly the most unattractive opening credits for a Bond movie, even worse than TWINE's! Madonna's song sucked too, sounded like she didn't put half a lick of talent into making that dog, just put it in a computer and spit out a high-ticket tune. The cinemtography really made me unhappy at times, the Matrix-wannabe stop-speed-up/slomo crap was gimmicky and overused and seemed to be in the film in the most arbitrary of ways (though "arbitrary" certainly describes many other things about this film as well), and then there were these facial close-ups that simply felt out of place especially in reaction shots.

Action scenes like the surfing were too stupid, so many opportunities and characters were wasted, the directing and cinemtography was not to my liking, the gadgets kinda sucked (the cloaking device on the Vanquish was especially obnoxious), there was an offensive amount of product placement, and the characters were generally too stupid (like MI6 wouldn't have done a background check on Mirand Frost, shyeah!). And darn them to hell for making a henchman with a cool name like "Mister Kill" and then not using him!

Some reviewers have said that with DAD, "James Bond is dead", but I disagree, I think he just wasn't in the film. This is not the note I want Brosnan to exit upon, nor is it the film that should be celebrating 40 years of 007.

Jayspawn
01-03-2003, 09:54 AM
Wow JT, thats pretty harsh.

JediTricks
01-04-2003, 03:18 AM
I wish I didn't feel that way, I've actually come to like nearly every 007 film except View to a Kill - there's something so wrong about that film - but for me DAD was really that frustrating.

Jayspawn
02-01-2003, 11:47 PM
I've not seen it, but I was curious what everybody thought of "On Her Majesty's Secret Service" w/ George Lazenby as 007? I've heard good and bad things about it. Is Lazenby the inferior Bond?

scruffziller
02-02-2003, 08:49 AM
However I thought that DAD captured alot of the classic Bond feel that alot of these past ones had been lacking. And in saying that, I DO believe that was their intention to do that, unfortunately many people were not very receptive.


Originally posted by JediTricks
I wish I didn't feel that way, I've actually come to like nearly every 007 film except View to a Kill - there's something so wrong about that film - but for me DAD was really that frustrating.

Now JT, to take Devil's Advocate of your feelings on DAD:D, what good can you say of the film? And something detailed.....not just a "well this was okay or that was kinda cool...." please?

However for me, the worst Bond was Tomorrow Never Dies.
That movie is one boring long hum with drool coming out of mouth because I don't know where I'm at.

JediTricks
02-02-2003, 08:16 PM
Jayspawn, I feel that Lazenby brought NOTHING to the film, he's plain white toast with big ears, but the film itself is not too bad provided you keep in mind that it's more Dr No than Goldfinger... and it's badly paced... and wayyyyyy too long... and Telly Savalas is impossible to believe as Blofeld. ;) It's an adequate spy movie but not really cinematic James Bond, though I still think it's better than DAD, VTOAK, and Thunderball.


scruffziller, I'm hard-pressed to remember liking much of anything about DAD, some of the stuff I started to like was quickly warped into stuff I didn't enjoy. Hmm... what was "ok"? The name "Mister Kill". :D Some of the Bond vs Zao car battle. Bond's sleeper contact in Cuba. Still thinking... nothing, sorry. There was not much about this movie I would have liked if it wasn't Bond, there was not much about this movie I did like as a Bond fan, I felt this film was dreck. Hell, I can even find a few brief nice things to say about TWINE and that film ranks right near the bottom of my personal 007 list.

scruffziller
02-03-2003, 04:53 PM
What about the sword fight??

JediTricks
02-03-2003, 06:20 PM
I was going to put that as "the first half of the swordfight", but reflecting upon that statement after I had typed it out yesterday, I felt it wasn't so much a "like" as a "didn't dislike" so I erased it. I'll be able to say more about the film when it comes out on DVD I guess.

General_Grievous
11-19-2006, 03:50 PM
I want to breathe some life back into this thread not only because of Casino Royale but those new nifty Ultimate James Bond Collection DVDs. There are four volumes, two of which are out now, the others will be out by Christmas. I just picked up the first one, which includes "The Man with the Golden Gun", "Goldfinger", "The World is Not Enough", "Diamonds Are Forever" and "The Living Daylights". I've seen all the Bond movies and I've always wanted to own them. Now I have a chance to. They're two discs per movie, which means the whole collection will total forty discs. This first box set was a must buy for me, since it includes "Goldfinger" and "Golden Gun", two of my favorite Bond movies. Anyway, thought I'd give my opinions on the Best of Bond questions on the first page of the thread.

Best Bond: Connery, with a tie between Brosnan and Craig for second.

Best Movie: Goldfinger

Best Villain: Gotta give it to Blofeld, simply for staying power. He was the best in "You Only Live Twice" with his scar.

Best Henchman: Tie between Jaws and Oddjob

Best Bond girl: Anya from "The Spy Who Loved Me"

Best Car: The Aston Martin (I think) from "The World Is Not Enough"

Best Song: "A View To A Kill" by Duran Duran

If you can't tell, I'm in a Bond state of mind right now. :D

JON9000
11-19-2006, 10:01 PM
no more DVDs until I have an HDTV, an HD-DVD player, and HD DVDs to buy.

I think the films should be available separately. I only like about 8 or so, and some, like "Diamonds Are Forever", I downright loathe.

JediTricks
11-20-2006, 06:10 PM
I bought 2 DVD box sets 2 rounds ago, they are incomplete though but do cover a good range of films, to the point where I'm only longing for "From Russia with Love" and "The Living Daylights". They did a good job with the DVDs extras, I watched just about all of 'em and enjoyed it immensely. I wish they'd offer the films as individuals though, I'm not going to shell out another $70 for another boxed set which I already have some of the films.

Tycho
11-25-2008, 01:19 AM
I rented 9 Bond movies to start with and I'll be reviewing them in this thread.

I've never seen most of them.

I looked up James Bond on Wikipedia and got a list of all the movies:

1 Dr. No
2 From Russia with Love
3 Goldfinger
4 Thunderball
5 You Only Live Twice
6 On Her Majesty's Secret Service
7 Diamonds Are Forever
8 Live and Let Die
9 The Man with the Golden Gun
10 The Spy Who Loved Me
11 Moonraker
12 For Your Eyes Only
13 Octo*****
13a Never Say Never Again*
14 A View to a Kill
15 The Living Daylights
16 Licence to Kill
17 GoldenEye
18 Tomorrow Never Dies
19 The World Is Not Enough
20 Die Another Day
21 Casino Royale
22 Quantum of Solace

* This one isn't officially counted according to Wikipedia.

These are the ones Blockbuster had available - and I'm limited to 9 rentals at a time anyway.

I'm going to watch them all in order if I can. I did see Casino Royale the other night and as I understand it, it's sort of a prequel when Bond first gets his "00 status."

jonthejedi
11-25-2008, 05:02 AM
You can just skip all the Roger Moore's...or review them last. They're high-camp & not very good spy thrillers. I love the two Daniel Craig Bonds, and take the comparison to the Bourne movies as a supreme complement. Craig seems to fit Ian Flemings description of Bond even better than Connery.

Rocketboy
11-25-2008, 08:21 AM
I did see Casino Royale the other night and as I understand it, it's sort of a prequel when Bond first gets his "00 status."I've understood that the Daniel Craig Bond movies are more of a reboot a la Batman Begins rather than prequels.

Tycho
11-26-2008, 02:09 PM
I finished From Russia With Love.

It was entertaining. I finally sort of connected with a hero-interest in Sean Connery's James Bond. It took me a little while whereas I usually like a Harrison Ford, Ewan McGreggor, or Christian Bale character almost instantly.

The motorboat chase with the flaming oil drums at the end was cool. I wanted to do a scene like that for the ending of my novel, only it would be set on the Mississippi River and the US Coast Guard and organized crime would provide the pursuit craft.

I saw stuff like Miami Vic and the boat chase in Venice in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. Actually the whole Bond thing is just like Indiana Jones - or rather Indy was a 1930's era copy of Bond (Lucas and Spielberg have even said so, and that was part of the humor in having Sean Connery in a Jones movie).

Meanwhile, speaking of Sean Connery in Jones movies, the helicopter strafing was just like the WWII fighter plane strafing (but I don't know why Bond took forever to assemble his rifle). And the jet-setting: Venice, Paris, Belgrade, Instanbul - mirrored in Indiana Jones' adventures though Jones takes place in a more interesting era as so much was happening in the world in the earlier half of the 20th Century.

Bond's spy gadgets in Russia With Love weren't that impressive - the exploding briefcase (had an Oscar Goldman action figure from Kenner with one of those for the Six Million Dollar Man collection - remember those?). But I guess the whole thing gets crazier down to the car that turns into a submarine.

But overall I'm glad I saw this one. S.P.E.C.T.R.E. is campy but fun. I totally see it as COBRA in GI Joe lore. Oh - and I noticed how in that era they portrayed lesbians as evil (like the gym teacher from hell).

But the gypsy girls fighting in skimpy little outfits also had lesbian undertones to it that were far better.

As the Russian agent, the "Bond girl" in this one was far more wholesome than they've become in later years. Kudos for change with the times, as I am very appreciative of the ascension of the slut in Hollywood film culture. Where would we be today without Denise Richards?

Anyway, I think I'm going to watch From Russia With Love a second time before I move on to the next movie. Since I'll be viewing some of these out of order (just because Goldfinger and Thunderball, etc. were checked out when I went to Blockbuster) I hope it won't mess me up and I will understand everything. I think that's the case as I've heard that Casino Royale is the first to-be-continued Bond film ever.

Jedi_Master_Guyute
11-26-2008, 03:38 PM
I picked up all of the Bond boxsets when CR came out and watched them all over the last year and a half. The Connery era is pretty solid, aside from "Diamonds are forever" which is pretty bad. But Connery is a pretty fantastic bond as he has the demeanor, attitude, and capability to do the action and whatnot.

The Moore era is largely hit or miss. Flicks like "moonraker" are SO BAD while "Live and Let Die" and "Man with the Golden Gun" have their great moments. My biggest problem with the latter was easily the worst Bond girl ever in the films franchise. But Moore, despite being campy, does have a great flick with "The Spy Who Loved Me" and "For Your Eyes Only" were two fantastic Bond entries. "A view to Kill" wasn't too shabby either.

The Dalton era is really solid for the most part. "The Living daylights" is sorta jumbled, but it comes together at the end and I LOVED "license to kill" as it unleashes bond with some revenge and uses Felix Leiter a bit, which was great to see.

Brosan starts off strong with "Goldeneye" but it all falls from there. Each one of his movies got progressively worse and "Die Another Day" is SO. AWFUL.

I LOVE Daniel Craig as Bond. I thought "Casino Royale" was awesome and I also really liked "Quantum of Solace." I know some folks complain about the lack of gadgets and whatnot, but it interjects the series with some seriousness and more realistic action sequences. :thumbsup:

Slicker
11-26-2008, 03:48 PM
I LOVE Daniel Craig as Bond. I thought "Casino Royale" was awesome and I also really liked "Quantum of Solace." I know some folks complain about the lack of gadgets and whatnot, but it interjects the series with some seriousness and more realistic action sequences. :thumbsup:I wasn't the happiest when they announced Craig but after watching CR and QoS I like him a bit more. The one thing that got me was the lack of gadgets. These movies are almost like National Treasure with James Bond.

Jargo
11-26-2008, 06:35 PM
Daniel Craig's bond is much closer to the bond of the books. but i think that's a conscious decision to move Bond away from the lame quips and cartoonish superhero image. Connery i think looked the most like Bond is described but Daniel is a close second. Roger Moore ruined bond and timothy dalton was really too wet for the role. brosnan was too smooth and the lazenby bond was a bit weird.

it's a shame the whole thing didn't start with Daniel. i'd like to see more literal book to screen versions of past bond movies.

Rocketboy
11-26-2008, 09:38 PM
I'm just glad that Jason Bourne's success on the big screen made the Bond guys realize how much of a cartoon James Bond had become over the years.

Tycho
11-27-2008, 01:21 AM
I started You Only Live Twice and I'll update this post when I've gone further than the teaser of the space capsule capture and the theme song. I just realized I'd left my computer online while I watched From Russia With Love for a 2nd time. It was pretty good on the 2nd viewing.

Meanwhile I like the music from You Only Live Twice better already - and I like the fine Asian girl they feature in this movie (though the Russian girl was very nice, too!).

Tycho
11-28-2008, 11:15 PM
You Only Live Twice is awesome and far better than From Russia With Love.

I wonder if each successive Bond movie will try to top the previous one.

In any case, I wonder if Slicker is having such an awesome adventure in Japan?

Why do they call him Bond-son? I think in Karate Kid they called him Daniel-son.

What's the cultural significance of that?

The Japanese bath girls are awesome. It would be so cool to go to Japan just to take a bath if I knew it was going to be like that.

I like Bond's "Little Nely" helicopter. With as much weaponry on it as an F-4 Phantom, LOL.

Does that girl drive an Aston-Martin? Where in Japan is there room for high-speed car chases?

Asian girls are hot.

Asian girls driving suped-up sports cars are even hotter.

The Sumo-Wrestling match was a cool way to establish the movie's setting.

I like Tiger's spymaster outfit.

Lord Malakite
11-28-2008, 11:47 PM
Why do they call him Bond-son? I think in Karate Kid they called him Daniel-son.

What's the cultural significance of that?

Its san Tycho, not son. ;) The following quote explains the cultural significance of it.


While family members, spouses and lovers sometimes call each other by their given names, they are otherwise used only rarely, even among close friends; most people call each other by the surname plus the suffix -san (Tanaka-san). An exception is schoolgirls, who often call each other by the first name, plus the fond diminutive suffix -chan. Even within the family, there is a marked tendency to avoid the use of names in favour of titles like "older brother," "younger sister" and so on. It is not uncommon for people, particularly older people, to be unsure of their friends' given names.

Indeed, even so the use of the suffix -san (さん), meaning roughly "Mrs., Mr., Ms., Master, Miss, Mistress." is customary in addressing a person by name. This suffix is used with both surnames and given names, and failure to use it is called 呼び捨て (yobisute, literally "throwing away the name") and is considered exceedingly rude. The respectful equivalent of -san is -様 (-sama), and the fond diminutive equivalent is -chan (-ちゃん). Young boys and younger men are often addressed as -kun (-くん、君).

Tycho
11-29-2008, 12:52 AM
Thank you Malakite-san.

That was very interesting. It's cool to learn other culture's customs - sometimes they are curiousities and sometimes they have superior ways.

For example, the title Darth. I would consider it most polite if people refered to me as Darth Tycho, for example. :D

Anyway, I started watching Diamonds Are Forever. Thus far it is not as interesting as You Only Live Twice which is my favorite Bond movie thus far.

Bel-Cam Jos
11-29-2008, 09:32 AM
Not much of a comment on the films, but I liked how in QoS the titles of the newest location weren't in the same font, but one close to the style of that particular country/area. The London one got run over by a car (sort of).

El Chuxter
11-30-2008, 01:34 AM
I saw what, as far as I know, was all the Bond movies, in the previous packaging, for $4 each at Big Lots tonight. I'm thinking of going back and scoring some, but don't know which to get, as I can't afford them all, and I still haven't watched a damned Bond flick.

Daniel Craig I don't consider to be Bond. The guy looks like he was run over by a truck and then crapped on by a horse. He cannot physically play the same character as Pierce Brosnan and Sean Connery. I'd change teams for those two. Daniel Craig can make gay men change teams. I once heard that Perseus tried to kill him, but had to use a mirror.

JediTricks
11-30-2008, 02:06 AM
I rented 9 Bond movies to start with and I'll be reviewing them in this thread.

I've never seen most of them.

I looked up James Bond on Wikipedia and got a list of all the movies:

1 Dr. No
2 From Russia with Love
3 Goldfinger
4 Thunderball
5 You Only Live Twice
6 On Her Majesty's Secret Service
7 Diamonds Are Forever
8 Live and Let Die
9 The Man with the Golden Gun
10 The Spy Who Loved Me
11 Moonraker
12 For Your Eyes Only
13 Octo*****
13a Never Say Never Again*
14 A View to a Kill
15 The Living Daylights
16 Licence to Kill
17 GoldenEye
18 Tomorrow Never Dies
19 The World Is Not Enough
20 Die Another Day
21 Casino Royale
22 Quantum of Solace

* This one isn't officially counted according to Wikipedia.

These are the ones Blockbuster had available - and I'm limited to 9 rentals at a time anyway.

I'm going to watch them all in order if I can. I did see Casino Royale the other night and as I understand it, it's sort of a prequel when Bond first gets his "00 status."From the ones available, the following are lesser entries: You Only Live Twice, Diamonds are Forever, Moonraker (well, the last 40 minutes anyway), Octo*****, and Never Say Never Again (which is a remake of Thunderball from a different production company but with Sean Connery back in the lead role). "From Russia With Love" is one of the most underrated, and one of my absolute favorites - lots of real spy material, lots of fun, decent action on a good scale. It and "Dr. No" are the most true to the original Bond.

From the ones they don't have, do yourself a favor and see Goldfinger, The Living Daylights, License To Kill, Goldeneye, and Casino Royale - that will give you a real overall taste for the whole series with the various actors and styles and budgets. I can loan you all of those but Living Daylights on DVD, and I can loan you Living Daylights on tape.

Make sure to see "From Russia With Love", "The Man with the Golden Gun" (Count Dooku is the bad guy), and "The Spy Who Loved Me" (the original Boba Fett is in this as a tertiary good guy). Perhaps also "For Your Eyes Only" (General Veers is the bad guy, this one is more true to the spy genre and less fun, but a good thriller and great locales) & "You Only Live Twice" (Bond becomes a ninja, it's got some charm even if it is a little one-note).


Casino Royale isn't a prequel exactly, it's more like a reboot, starting over with the first Bond story (which was coincidentally the only one never made into a movie).



You can just skip all the Roger Moore's...or review them last. They're high-camp & not very good spy thrillers. I think you're selling them short, especially For Your Eyes Only which is a pretty darn solid spy story, and Octo***** which is a little weak and gets lost in the trappings but does focus strongly on spy elements.


I love the two Daniel Craig Bonds, and take the comparison to the Bourne movies as a supreme complement. Wow, that's just sad to enjoy the Bourne comparison, that series is a Bond knockoff that lacks the depth, characterization, and focus on spy trade of the original - the comparison to Bourne is what kept me from going to see the new movie. I mean, where in Bond would a foot chase for 20 minutes solid take place? That's just cinematic action for action's sake, it kills time.



You Only Live Twice is awesome and far better than From Russia With Love.

I wonder if each successive Bond movie will try to top the previous one.

In any case, I wonder if Slicker is having such an awesome adventure in Japan?

Why do they call him Bond-son? I think in Karate Kid they called him Daniel-son.

What's the cultural significance of that?

The Japanese bath girls are awesome. It would be so cool to go to Japan just to take a bath if I knew it was going to be like that.

I like Bond's "Little Nely" helicopter. With as much weaponry on it as an F-4 Phantom, LOL.

Does that girl drive an Aston-Martin? Where in Japan is there room for high-speed car chases?

Asian girls are hot.

Asian girls driving suped-up sports cars are even hotter.

The Sumo-Wrestling match was a cool way to establish the movie's setting.

I like Tiger's spymaster outfit.Oh man, we've just entered crazytown! You Only Live Twice better than From Russia With Love? Wow.

Kissy Suzuki isn't driving an Aston Martin, it's a Toyota 2000GT.



BTW, the start of Diamonds Are Forever is a continuation of "On Her Majesty's Secret Service", I won't spoil that though in case you want to watch Bond do nothing interesting for 2 hours in an Alpine Chateau.



Daniel Craig I don't consider to be Bond. The guy looks like he was run over by a truck and then crapped on by a horse. He cannot physically play the same character as Pierce Brosnan and Sean Connery. I'd change teams for those two. Daniel Craig can make gay men change teams. I once heard that Perseus tried to kill him, but had to use a mirror.Craig looks like a mangled Euro-thug that Bond would be beating up, and he shifts from interesting to stone-faced way too often. Oh, and he gets the hottest girl in Casino Royale WAY too early... and ditches her to go to Miami!

Jargo
11-30-2008, 03:51 AM
you crazy. Dan Craig is gorgeous even with his jug handle ears and icey blue eyes. They should have dyed his hair though. including his eyebrows.

that aside, i think the main reason i like dan's bond more than any other is that he gets hurt. he's not infallible. reading the books it's very clear that bond is all too human and at times gets seriously hurt. However, the naked torture scene in casino royale does lead me to wonder how bond could remain a ladies man afterwards.... perhaps he's just a cunning linguist.

JediTricks
11-30-2008, 04:18 AM
He looks like the ugly stick was beaten with him.

They all got hurt, if you look for it, they just didn't brood about it or get so stupid that they let themselves nearly die over it. Dr. No makes it clear that Bond getting shot and laid out for months at a time is no good for these movies.

Tycho
12-01-2008, 02:01 AM
I've been away at my brother's and watched as much as I could of The Man With The Golden Gun.

I'm not particularly liking it that much. The Louisiana sheriff that's linked up with Bond is craptastically cliche.

Miss Goodnight is nice though. Why Bond threw her in the closet and went for the other girl (the assassin's) is only a rational choice given the context of his mission (and I guess he'd already been with Miss Goodnight). But she's a great catch. The Assassin (Dooku) agrees at any rate.

His third nipple is disgusting.

The car that got a pair of wings is mildly amusing, but not a greatly impressive "Bond movie moment" for me.

I'm going to try and finish this film tomorrow.

Oh, the Fantasy Island midget annoys me, too.

But Rodger Moore looks more like I pictured James Bond, though Connery plays the character much better with more class IMO.

Tycho
12-02-2008, 08:08 AM
I finished The Man With The Golden Gun and am watching The Spy Who Loved Me.

I've seen the skiing scene before - but done for another movie. Was it Austin Powers or does Bond do that more than once? I remember him parachuting off the ski slope and landing in a submarine. Not sure which movie that is.

The shark in the tank is totally Dr. Evil. I think this is the movie where Bond gets that submarine car I like. Hopefully that's coming.

The Soviet agent chick is hot. Anyway, this one looks like fun. I'm going to continue watching it here in a few minutes. I went to bed for about 5 hours when I last left off with the film.

pbarnard
12-02-2008, 11:26 AM
I've seen the skiing scene before - but done for another movie. Was it Austin Powers or does Bond do that more than once?

George Lazenby does it one time.
Rodge Moore at least 3 times.
Pierce Bronson at least once.
I think even Sean Connery did it.

Tycho
12-02-2008, 04:43 PM
The Spy Who Loved Me is an excellent and exciting Bond film. Along with You Only Live Twice, they are my favorite Bond films thus far.

I love the Lotus-submarine-car! That was a great underwater battle sequence that started above ground with the helicopter chase and everything.

That Jaws guy keeps showing up, too!

The Egyptian desert scenes are quite exotic and then the underwater base for mayhem exists in the same film, giving it an extreme variety in environments.

The train ride was exciting, too. There are a few fights on trains in the Bond films, but this was the best thus far - when Jaws got thrown out the window!

Also, I still dig the ski scene. Rodger Moore is a great James Bond!

DarthQuack
12-02-2008, 06:49 PM
Just came down to my dads and brought a couple Bond movies with me...starting them from the beginning since I've nevered watch any of the old ones before...really enjoyed Dr. No, now onto From Russia with Love and Goldfinger.

Tycho
12-02-2008, 10:23 PM
Moonraker was awesome. The whole influence of Star Wars upon movies can be clearly seen here in this 1979 Bond film with laser battles in space and even a "Red Group" amongst the space marines.

Venice shows up a lot in Bond movies, btw. And Jaws got a girlfriend! (I'm starting to like him - as he becomes Bond's ally in this movie).

A lot of the Bond movie villains want to employ genetic selection and destroy the rest of humanity in a sort of Noah's Ark effect of one kind or another. What gives?

Anyway, I really enjoyed Moonraker.

Tycho
12-03-2008, 11:25 AM
For Your Eyes Only was really good. I like the movies as they mature into modern standards for filming and special effects. More sharks were cool as well, though now the Bond movies have had enough of them.

The return of "Dr. Evil" with the cat was fun at the beginning. The Bond girl was kind of plain, but nevertheless, attractive at that. Sheena Easton's title song For Your Eyes Only was nice as well. The Man With the Golden Gun (the song) is still stuck in my head.

General Veers (Julian Glover) is the ultimate villain in For Your Eyes Only. The target is a tracking device that can display the logistics of the Royal Navy's fleet deployments. I like how the target was more realistic in this movie, versus another plot by some nutcase intent on selective genetics to be used repopulating the world after the terrorist caused some holocaust or another.

So I'll add this one to my favorite Bond movie list, which includes:

You Only Live Twice
The Spy Who Loved Me
Moonraker
For Your Eyes Only

I'll be watching Octo***** today, and maybe Never Say Never Again.

Tycho
12-04-2008, 02:23 AM
Octo***** was very good and exciting with cool stunts and gadgets.

B.S.!!! - that Bond could hang on to that airplane though.

The whole movie was a circus right down to that last brawl with the girls attacking the compound.

I think Rodger Moore was experiencing his age when no one would give him a ride into the Air Force Base in West Germany.

There's always a train. But putting the Mercedes on the tracks was an interesting touch. Could a car really have the right width to its chassis to do that? Lucky Bond. Just lucky. But that's why the movies are known to be campy. The minature fighter jet in the back of the elephant wagon was a surpise. That was pretty cool.

India and Germany (West and East) were nice new locations I hadn't seen used in a Bond film yet.

He looked like Captain Kirk (Search For Spock) in the red outfit fighting the Indian swordsman on the train (it may have as well been a Klingon). As Rodger Moore aged, he could pass for William Shatner.

I thought he was going to talk the bomb out of destroying itself ;)

Octo***** was 1983 - the same year as ROTJ and after Indiana Jones had established himself (Raiders of the Lost Ark - 1981 I think).

How has Rodger Moore's career been? I like him as Bond - a lot.

JediTricks
12-04-2008, 03:53 AM
The Spy Who Loved Me is an excellent and exciting Bond film. Along with You Only Live Twice, they are my favorite Bond films thus far.

I love the Lotus-submarine-car! That was a great underwater battle sequence that started above ground with the helicopter chase and everything.

That Jaws guy keeps showing up, too!

The Egyptian desert scenes are quite exotic and then the underwater base for mayhem exists in the same film, giving it an extreme variety in environments.

The train ride was exciting, too. There are a few fights on trains in the Bond films, but this was the best thus far - when Jaws got thrown out the window!

Also, I still dig the ski scene. Rodger Moore is a great James Bond!
One of my favorites, easily my favorite Roger Moore 007 flick. It's got everything! Glad you dug it.


Moonraker was awesome. The whole influence of Star Wars upon movies can be clearly seen here in this 1979 Bond film with laser battles in space and even a "Red Group" amongst the space marines.

Venice shows up a lot in Bond movies, btw. And Jaws got a girlfriend! (I'm starting to like him - as he becomes Bond's ally in this movie).

A lot of the Bond movie villains want to employ genetic selection and destroy the rest of humanity in a sort of Noah's Ark effect of one kind or another. What gives?

Anyway, I really enjoyed Moonraker.Wow, and then you said that.

Venice only shows up twice in the Bondverse, first in From Russia With Love, and then in Moonraker. Oh, and in Casino Royale, I forgot, I don't really count that one as 007 yet. It's a big separation of eras though.

The funny thing about Moonraker is that it wasn't supposed to be, the end of the credits in The Spy Who Loved Me say that James Bond Will Be Back in "For Your Eyes Only", but they bumped that to cash in on the Star Wars craze.

That's the last time you see Jaws, sorry.

Narcissists always think they're the best thing since sliced bread and everything else needs to be cleansed. Think about the era, it's not long after WW2, the idea of Hitler's ubermensch - the genetically pure master race taking over the globe - really tried to happen. So it's an easy jump for 20, 30 years later to take that to a further extreme.



For Your Eyes Only was really good. I like the movies as they mature into modern standards for filming and special effects. More sharks were cool as well, though now the Bond movies have had enough of them.

The return of "Dr. Evil" with the cat was fun at the beginning. The Bond girl was kind of plain, but nevertheless, attractive at that. Sheena Easton's title song For Your Eyes Only was nice as well. The Man With the Golden Gun (the song) is still stuck in my head.

General Veers (Julian Glover) is the ultimate villain in For Your Eyes Only. The target is a tracking device that can display the logistics of the Royal Navy's fleet deployments. I like how the target was more realistic in this movie, versus another plot by some nutcase intent on selective genetics to be used repopulating the world after the terrorist caused some holocaust or another.

So I'll add this one to my favorite Bond movie list, which includes:

You Only Live Twice
The Spy Who Loved Me
Moonraker
For Your Eyes Only

I'll be watching Octo***** today, and maybe Never Say Never Again.FYEO was the first Bond movie I ever saw, I was 6 years old, and it was very exciting, but I was freaked out by the dead guy in the Lotus and its self-destruct scene. The underwater stuff was really exciting to me as a kid, and set off my "little submarines are awesome" thing.

Never Say Never Again actually takes place counter to this movie, they came out in the same year. The opening scene with Bloefeld being killed was a dig at the writer of the other film.


I still can't believe anybody could have Moonraker on their favorite 007 list. That movie, while HUGE at the box office (Mad Magazine renamed it Moneyraker, it was the reigning 007 champ until '95), is just so hard to stomach for the second half.




Octo***** was very good and exciting with cool stunts and gadgets.

B.S.!!! - that Bond could hang on to that airplane though.

The whole movie was a circus right down to that last brawl with the girls attacking the compound.

I think Rodger Moore was experiencing his age when no one would give him a ride into the Air Force Base in West Germany.

There's always a train. But putting the Mercedes on the tracks was an interesting touch. Could a car really have the right width to its chassis to do that? Lucky Bond. Just lucky. But that's why the movies are known to be campy. The minature fighter jet in the back of the elephant wagon was a surpise. That was pretty cool.

India and Germany (West and East) were nice new locations I hadn't seen used in a Bond film yet.

He looked like Captain Kirk (Search For Spock) in the red outfit fighting the Indian swordsman on the train (it may have as well been a Klingon). As Rodger Moore aged, he could pass for William Shatner.

I thought he was going to talk the bomb out of destroying itself ;)

Octo***** was 1983 - the same year as ROTJ and after Indiana Jones had established himself (Raiders of the Lost Ark - 1981 I think).

How has Rodger Moore's career been? I like him as Bond - a lot.I'm not entirely surprised that you liked this one, especially given your other choices. And it does work for the most part, there are exciting spy elements abound, though the pacing and setting are a little cheesy.

That airplane scene, the stuntman IS hanging onto the plane, so it isn't that far-fetched.

The train tracks in Europe are narrower than they are in the US, the width is based on the width of a carriage, and they really did use a regular Mercedes for that scene on the train tracks.

This was the 2nd 007 film I saw in life, and the miniature jet in the horse carriage blew me away, but the rest of the film was hit or miss (I did like the tv watch :p).


Moore's career was pretty big before 007 in the UK, but afterwards he was too old and used mostly as a cameo, but he still has the occasional significant part. But he had the longest run as Bond, that carried his career a long way.

Tycho
12-04-2008, 08:21 AM
The TV watch is available technology today. Amazing how far things have come. But I still haven't gotten my SUV to turn into a submarine.

Never Say Never Again was a great movie and very exciting. It proves Sean Connery really rocks in the role of Bond. I like how he was sent to "rehab" as it could be called - and he was allowed to show his age for this movie. But he also shows that James Bond still "has it," too. His age never lets it slow him down.

More sharks. These looked like the real deal, too. They must have had some experienced trainers - but the sharks seemed to be trained, too. They went where the script called them to go.

And did they really jump a horse off a building?

Kim Bassinger was hot. The sex-slave auction scene was tantilizing in a Joran Van der Sloop sort of way.

The car chase (with Bond on a motorcycle) had some really nice pacing and stunts to it. Empire Strikes Back's Irvin Kershner knows how to film a movie! I'm not sure the total story behind this (I heard it's a remake of Thunderball which I haven't seen yet as it was rented at the time I picked up my Bond movies at Blockbuster) but I don't know if the original Thunderball will even come close to being as good.

But I guess it's also Sean Connery - so that will be fun.

I'm going back to the video store today and we'll see what other Bond movies I'll pick up. I'm definitely liking the more modern ones though - for the better effects and stunts - as well as better music and girls.

Tycho's list of "essential Bond" now includes:


5 You Only Live Twice
10 The Spy Who Loved Me
11 Moonraker
12 For Your Eyes Only
13 Octo*****
13a Never Say Never Again

I liked more Rodger Moore movies, but Sean Connery is just awesome in the role.

Lord Malakite
12-04-2008, 01:05 PM
I'm going back to the video store today and we'll see what other Bond movies I'll pick up. I'm definitely liking the more modern ones though - for the better effects and stunts - as well as better music and girls.
While you are there see if you can pick up the other "Casino Royale (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casino_Royale_(1967_film))" Bond movie from 1967. Like "Never Say Never Again", it isn't considered part of the official MGM Bond franchise. And if that isn't enough, you can also pick up one of those cheap dollar store DVD copies of the Climax! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climax!) television show episode of Casino Royale (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casino_Royale_(Climax!)). I think I've heard that the Climax! episode of Casino Royale might even be one of the DVD bonus features on the 1967 Casino Royale movie, so you just might get a 2-for-1 deal there.

Tycho
12-04-2008, 08:01 PM
Thanks for the tip. Blockbuster didn't have the old 1967 Casino Royale - they're just stocked full of the new one of course.

This is what I picked up this time:

1 Dr. No (Connery)

3 Goldfinger (Connery)

14 A View to a Kill (Moore)

17 GoldenEye (Brosnan)
18 Tomorrow Never Dies (Brosnan)

19 The World Is Not Enough (Brosnan)

I guess Timothy Dalton comes after Brosnan?

In any case, I know I'll like the Sean Connery films and I've heard Goldfinger is the best Bond film ever. We'll see.

I know Denise Richards is the Bond girl in The World Is Not Enough and she's always turned me on!

I'll be watching "Dr. No" tonight.

JediTricks
12-05-2008, 04:14 AM
The TV watch is available technology today. Amazing how far things have come. But I still haven't gotten my SUV to turn into a submarine.The TV watch was available like a year after that film. Now, the TV watch won't be available anymore because the digital switchover in February. Still, it was rad for the time.


Never Say Never Again was a great movie and very exciting. It proves Sean Connery really rocks in the role of Bond. I like how he was sent to "rehab" as it could be called - and he was allowed to show his age for this movie. But he also shows that James Bond still "has it," too. His age never lets it slow him down.Wow. I remember seeing it as a kid, and feeling like it was kinda "whatever", that feeling hasn't changed in 25+ years. Every time I try to think of scenes I liked from it, I end up thinking about the nifty Greek car chase material from For Your Eyes Only instead. :p


The car chase (with Bond on a motorcycle) had some really nice pacing and stunts to it. Empire Strikes Back's Irvin Kershner knows how to film a movie! I'm not sure the total story behind this (I heard it's a remake of Thunderball which I haven't seen yet as it was rented at the time I picked up my Bond movies at Blockbuster) but I don't know if the original Thunderball will even come close to being as good.It's a remake of Thunderball, but I cannot picture you liking Thunderball, it's got horrible pacing problems and there's just too much dawdling. Still, you liked this, Octo*****, and Moonraker, so there's no accounting for taste. The bike scene was kinda cool, and the exploding pen thing was a good way to end it.

I fear you're going to end up liking A View to a Kill. :crazed: If that was the case, I'd have to stop telling people I know you. :p



While you are there see if you can pick up the other "Casino Royale (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casino_Royale_%281967_film%29)" Bond movie from 1967. Like "Never Say Never Again", it isn't considered part of the official MGM Bond franchise. And if that isn't enough, you can also pick up one of those cheap dollar store DVD copies of the Climax! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climax%21) television show episode of Casino Royale (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casino_Royale_%28Climax%21%29). I think I've heard that the Climax! episode of Casino Royale might even be one of the DVD bonus features on the 1967 Casino Royale movie, so you just might get a 2-for-1 deal there.WTF? Why would you subject him to that travesty of the '67 Casino Royale farce? Why would anybody do that to anybody interested in 007??? It's so off-book it's painful, and Woody Allen makes a bad James Bond. And poor David Niven proved here he wasn't the right choice for Bond back when they wanted him (but I think them wanting Cary Grant was a bad call too, and I think he's awesome).



Thanks for the tip. Blockbuster didn't have the old 1967 Casino Royale - they're just stocked full of the new one of course.

This is what I picked up this time:

1 Dr. No (Connery)

3 Goldfinger (Connery)

14 A View to a Kill (Moore)

17 GoldenEye (Brosnan)
18 Tomorrow Never Dies (Brosnan)

19 The World Is Not Enough (Brosnan)

I guess Timothy Dalton comes after Brosnan?

In any case, I know I'll like the Sean Connery films and I've heard Goldfinger is the best Bond film ever. We'll see.

I know Denise Richards is the Bond girl in The World Is Not Enough and she's always turned me on!

I'll be watching "Dr. No" tonight.Dalton comes before Brosnan, after Roger Moore.

Denise Richards is largely what's wrong with The World is Not Enough, Christmas Jones is one of the poorest-realized Bond girls ever (and that's REALLY saying something) and then Denise can't even live up to that material. Teri Hatcher is a better Bond girl in Tomorrow Never Dies, and she's no great actress.

With your proven tastes, I absolutely cannot predict what you'll like here. I'm guessing you won't like Dr. No because it is a little raw. You'll probably like Goldfinger but find something outlandish to complain about. After Moonraker, I bet you'll mostly like A View to a Kill. Goldeneye I can't imagine you NOT liking. Tomorrow Never Dies I suspect you'll have mixed feelings about but like more than dislike. And The World is Not Enough I bet you won't like all that much but I'm giving 50/50 odds that I'm totally wrong there. :p

After these, you'll need to see Thunderball, On Her Majesty's Secret Service, Live and Let Die, The Living Daylights, License to Kill, and Die Another Day. Of those, I recommend just The Living Daylights and License to Kill, the rest is lesser material in my book and as well I doubt they'll fit your tastes (you might like Die Another Day for surface reasons).

Tycho
12-05-2008, 05:30 AM
Dr. No is going slowly. I watched 1/2 and had to stop and rest. I'm not sure if I'm tired or it is just slow. However, like Casino Royale (Craig's Bond) it feels more real and less "gadgety and campy." That's cool for a change, but Bond is gadgety-and-campy in its appeal to me.

But we're back in the Caribbean where Ian Flemming kept a home and set a lot of his stories - presumably because he was bored sun-tanning and wished he was a British secret agent.

I want to eat some Cracker-Jacks with my James Bond movies....

pbarnard
12-05-2008, 09:49 AM
But we're back in the Caribbean where Ian Flemming kept a home and set a lot of his stories - presumably because he was bored sun-tanning and wished he was a British secret agent.

Because he really was an intelligence analyst with during the WWII. Also the name of the place was Goldeneye in Jamaica I believe. I believe he moved back there because his parents were stationed there as diplomats.

Lord Malakite
12-05-2008, 11:28 AM
WTF? Why would you subject him to that travesty of the '67 Casino Royale farce? Why would anybody do that to anybody interested in 007??? It's so off-book it's painful, and Woody Allen makes a bad James Bond. And poor David Niven proved here he wasn't the right choice for Bond back when they wanted him (but I think them wanting Cary Grant was a bad call too, and I think he's awesome).

Well Tycho seems to want to get the enire Bond experience. For better or for worse the "unofficial" '67 version of Casino Royale is still Bond, be it in name only. You have to take the good with the bad. Hmm... those sound like future, be it crappy, Bond titles ("007: For Better Or For Worse" and "007: Be It In Name Only").

Where was I going with this? Oh yes... I remember now. Besides that there are a few plus things Tycho could probably get from the '67 version of Casino Royale. For starters, it'll give him at least one (or maybe two if the Climax! episode if also on there) "unofficial" versions of Casino Royale to compare/contrast to the more current "official" Casino Royale. You know Tycho likes that sort of thing (and will most likely do it with "Never Say Never Again" once he sees "Thunderball"). ;) Plus you can also play the game "spot the actor/actress who is also in an "official" Bond movie". The '67 version of Casino Royale is littered with them. :D And while he probably wouldn't get this from just watching the movie in of itself, you got to admit that for a crappy movie that the "behind the scene" drama that was unfolding (if you've ever read or listened to commentary about any of it) as it was being filmed was juicy enough to probably make an interesting movie out of in its own right. :D

Tycho
12-05-2008, 01:39 PM
Thanks for the insight Malakite. :)

I'm liking Dr. No. It is much more realistic, like the Daniel Craig films. But I'm proceeding with it slowly. The tarantula didn't scare me. I'm afraid of a lot of bugs, EXCEPT spiders. I like spiders for some reason and have handled tarantulas

Lord Malakite
12-05-2008, 03:07 PM
No problem Tycho. And if you ever do get through all the movies you can always check out the following 007 video games I've listed below. While I wouldn't exactly say that these titles are by any means "the best" video games the 007 franchise has to offer (or even "the worse" for that matter), I think that they will appeal to you in that they have "original" stories made just for the game. They aren't video game adaptations of the movies' stories.


Agent Under Fire (2001, Electronic Arts: Nintendo GameCube, PlayStation 2, Xbox)
Nightfire (2002, Electronic Arts: GameCube, PlayStation 2, Xbox)
Everything or Nothing (2004, Electronic Arts: GameCube, PlayStation 2, Xbox)
GoldenEye: Rogue Agent (2004, Electronic Arts: GameCube, PlayStation 2, Xbox)


Of these four "original" games I think "Everything or Nothing" will be the one that you'd like the most as it has closest/heaviest tie-ins to the style of the movie franchise. Instead of writing the game's story themselves Electronic Arts hired screenwriter Bruce Feirstein to do it. Feirstein wrote the Bond film "Tomorrow Never Dies" and co-scripted the Bond films "GoldenEye" and "The World Is Not Enough". Electronic Arts also hired several actors to model the game characters after, as well as to use their voice talents. Pierce Brosnan, Judi Dench and John Cleese reprise their roles seen in the Bond films. The game also features well-known actors Willem Dafoe, Shannon Elizabeth, and Heidi Klum as well as actor Richard Kiel (Jaws from the 007 films). "Everything or Nothing" is also the second James Bond game to have its own original theme song but the first to be sung by a well-known singer: R&B artist Mya, who also has a part as a Bond girl in the game. The soundtrack was composed by Sean Callery, best known for television's "24" and "Nikita". The soundtrack features a new rendition of the famed James Bond theme by Callery.

I'm not quite certain how you'll take "Goldeneye:Rogue Agent". "Goldeneye: Rogue Agent" tries to cash-in on the success of the 007 "Goldeneye" movie/video game (more so on the video game than on the movie) by having a similar title. With that said though it has nothing to do with the movie "Goldeneye". Basically in this game you follow the exploits of a corrupt former 00 Agent (known by the name "Goldeneye" because of his robotic gold eye) who decides to render his "secret agent" services to the highest bidder (usually classic Bond villains like Goldfinger and Dr. No) for the pursuit of riches/power. In other words, in this game's story you are the "villain" equivlent of 007.

JediTricks
12-05-2008, 03:11 PM
Well Tycho seems to want to get the enire Bond experience. For better or for worse the "unofficial" '67 version of Casino Royale is still Bond, be it in name only. You have to take the good with the bad. Hmm... those sound like future, be it crappy, Bond titles ("007: For Better Or For Worse" and "007: Be It In Name Only").I disagree, it's an offshoot of the Bond legacy, cashing in without actually adding or adhering to anything that made Bond what it is. I could have happily lived my life as a Bond fan without ever seeing that film, it is utter junk far beneath the name James Bond. Do you take any of the post-Goldeneye N64 games as Bond, like Agent Under Fire or Nightfire? Heck, Everything or Nothing was a complete film basically, but I don't hear cries to take that into account (though I'd highly recommend it over '67 Farce Casino Royale). And Casino Royale is full of self-indulgent jokes referring to stuff long out of date.


Plus you can also play the game "spot the actor/actress who is also in an "official" Bond movie". The '67 version of Casino Royale is littered with them. :DNobody wanted to hear Ursula Andress' real voice, it turned out. :p


And while he probably wouldn't get this from just watching the movie in of itself, you got to admit that for a crappy movie that the "behind the scene" drama that was unfolding (if you've ever read or listened to commentary about any of it) as it was being filmed was juicy enough to probably make an interesting movie out of in its own right. :DI am familiar with that stuff, and no, it doesn't make an interesting movie. In fact, I'd argue the film is far worse since so many players are left not giving their all. The film is an utter mess.

JediTricks
12-05-2008, 03:14 PM
No problem Tycho. And if you ever do get through all the movies you can always check out the following 007 video games I've listed below. While I wouldn't exactly say that these titles are by any means "the best" video games the 007 franchise has to offer (or even "the worse" for that matter), I think that they will appeal to you in that they have "original" stories made just for the game. They aren't video game adaptations of the movies' stories.


Agent Under Fire (2001, Electronic Arts: Nintendo GameCube, PlayStation 2, Xbox)
Nightfire (2002, Electronic Arts: GameCube, PlayStation 2, Xbox)
Everything or Nothing (2004, Electronic Arts: GameCube, PlayStation 2, Xbox)
GoldenEye: Rogue Agent (2004, Electronic Arts: GameCube, PlayStation 2, Xbox)


Of these four "original" games I think "Everything or Nothing" will be the one that you'd like the most as it has closest/heaviest tie-ins to the style of the movie franchise. Instead of writing the game's story themselves Electronic Arts hired screenwriter Bruce Feirstein to do it. Feirstein wrote the Bond film "Tomorrow Never Dies" and co-scripted the Bond films "GoldenEye" and "The World Is Not Enough". Electronic Arts also hired several actors to model the game characters after, as well as to use their voice talents. Pierce Brosnan, Judi Dench and John Cleese reprise their roles seen in the Bond films. The game also features well-known actors Willem Dafoe, Shannon Elizabeth, and Heidi Klum as well as actor Richard Kiel (Jaws from the 007 films). "Everything or Nothing" is also the second James Bond game to have its own original theme song but the first to be sung by a well-known singer: R&B artist Mya, who also has a part as a Bond girl in the game. The soundtrack was composed by Sean Callery, best known for television's "24" and "Nikita". The soundtrack features a new rendition of the famed James Bond theme by Callery.

I'm not quite certain how you'll take "Goldeneye:Rogue Agent". "Goldeneye: Rogue Agent" tries to cash-in on the success of the 007 "Goldeneye" movie/video game (more so on the video game than on the movie) by having a similar title. With that said though it has nothing to do with the movie "Goldeneye". Basically in this game you follow the exploits of a corrupt former 00 Agent (known by the name "Goldeneye" because of his robotic gold eye) who decides to render his "secret agent" services to the highest bidder (usually classic Bond villains like Goldfinger and Dr. No) for the pursuit of riches/power. In other words, in this game's story you are the "villain" equivlent of 007.WTF? You read my post before I finished writing it? ;)

Heidi Klum was shockingly bland in Everything or Nothing. I don't mean her acting, it's not surprising a model would be a bad actress. But her face was nearly featureless, I guess it just didn't translate well for the game. Still, a good game and a good Bond story for the video game set.

No game will ever outdo N64's Goldeneye 007 though, that was the first time one really FELT like Bond.

Lord Malakite
12-05-2008, 04:02 PM
No game will ever outdo N64's Goldeneye 007 though, that was the first time one really FELT like Bond.
I won't argue with that claim, as that is also my personal favorite. ;) Of the 4 games I mentioned I never once said that any of them were by any means "the best" or "the worse" Bond games ever made, I simply stated that they were, from a story perspective, the most original. :p

If I had to rate the games (from "GoldenEye 007" in 1997 to "From Russia With Love" in 2005) on the actual game quality I'd have to go with the following order (from best to worse).


Goldeneye 007 (Rare)
Everything or Nothing (EA)
From Russia With Love (EA)
Nightfire (EA)
Agent Under Fire (EA)
The World is Not Enough (EA)
GoldenEye: Rogue Agent (EA)
Tomorrow Never Dies (EA)
007 Racing (EA)


I can't really comment on Activision's "Quantum of Solace" as I haven't tried it out or seen it in action yet, but based on what the reviews I read are for it I'd say that my current impression of the game would probably place it either just above or just below "GoldenEye: Rogue Agent".

Tycho
12-06-2008, 12:40 AM
I finished Dr. No and liked it a lot. It's a much more realistic Bond film. That said, it's slower than most, but Sean Connery is a class act!

I really liked it and it introduced S.P.E.C.T.R.E. to fans and James Bond alike. Also Bond starts carrying a Walther.

It was a much more rugged spy-thriller than later films where Bond never messes up his hair or his tuxedo.

I've started Goldfinger and am loving that one too. It is far more campy of course (thank goodness he didn't have a remote-controlled golf ball. I was expecting that). But the Aston-Martin was introduced, even if chronologically speaking, Casino Royale marks its debut in "the prequel."

Anyway, I'll be watching more Goldfinger later. I was interrupted and decided to do some other things before I return to it.

I am renting these Bond films. If I am so inclined - I'll rent them ONCE more (they're 99cent rentals except for Casino Royale). But these rentals will happen at a later date. If I enjoy them again, I'll be buying either all the movies (in the box sets) or just the ones I like. (There will be a list of the ones I like when I'm finished. Dr. No is being added to that list and I suspect Goldfinger will be as well.)

Connery is my favorite Bond thus far, but I like the Rodger Moore movies tremendously - and at least for a short while, I liked more Rodger Moore titles, but Connery is catching up.

I have some Pierce Brosnan movies that I'll be watching this time, too.

Tycho
12-06-2008, 03:58 AM
So I finished Goldfinger. It's got to be one of the all-time BEST Bond films there is!

This was a great movie and I know WHY it is an old classic.

Goldfinger is a great villain and has a truly genius plan that's original from most of the other SPECTRE plans for world domination or whatever. The Aston-Martin rocks as the best Bond car (even over the Lotus).

Tycho's list of "essential Bond" now includes:


1 Dr. No
3 Goldfinger
5 You Only Live Twice
10 The Spy Who Loved Me
11 Moonraker
12 For Your Eyes Only
13 Octo*****
13a Never Say Never Again*

I'm watching A View To A Kill next.

In total, I've seen 11 (well, I should count Casino Royale, too):

1 Dr. No
2 From Russia with Love
3 Goldfinger

5 You Only Live Twice

7 Diamonds Are Forever

9 The Man with the Golden Gun
10 The Spy Who Loved Me
11 Moonraker
12 For Your Eyes Only
13 Octo*****
13a Never Say Never Again*

OC47150
12-06-2008, 06:36 PM
You can just skip all the Roger Moore's...or review them last. They're high-camp & not very good spy thrillers. I love the two Daniel Craig Bonds, and take the comparison to the Bourne movies as a supreme complement. Craig seems to fit Ian Flemings description of Bond even better than Connery.

As a long-time Bond afficiando, I can say Roger Moore only made two Bond movies worth watching: The Spy Who Loved Me and For Your Eyes Only. Three others are okay: Moonraker, Octo and Live and Let Die. It almost killed the franchise twice with his other outings: Man with the Golden Gun and A View to a Kill.

Connery's is still the best. Craig is enjoyable, as well as Brosnan, but the gadgets played too big of a role in his movies. It was refreshing in Casino Royale to see less gadgets and more story.

You can't go wrong with any of the Connery classics.

That said, my personal favorite is From Russia with Love. Lost track how many times I've seen it. It's very true to the novel, too (one of my all-time favorite books, too).

I had the opportunity to see Goldfinger on the big screen this summer and I have a new appreciation for it. It was interesting to see the advertisements in the golf shop and they were dated 1964!

OHMSS is underrated. It's a good movie. I often wonder what it would've been like if Connery had starred in it. Again, IMO, George Lazenby should've done a second Bond movie.

I (finally!!) have them all on DVD. Found LALD at Big Lots for $4 just in the last few weeks.

Tycho
12-06-2008, 08:46 PM
I'm liking A View To A Kill. The music is great along with the subtle orchestrations of the DuranDuran theme music.

The firetruck chase was recently borrowed for Terminator 3.

The whole skiing scene in the beginning where Bond gets away in an iceberg submarine is what I remembered from way back when.

Christopher Walkens is growing on me as a villain - I didn't think much of him when this started, but he's doing a good job. I almost finished the movie but took a phone break and felt like posting when I got done.

The horse racing actually (and surprisingly) interested me. When the obstacles were remote-controlled and Bond's stallion met the challenge.

I really like Rodger Moore in the role. He's the James Bond I think of first I guess. He shows some age in this movie, but his stunt double might have the moves - like in the shoot-out at the estate house. Wow - that blonde girl that works for the city of San Francisco is HOT! The black villainess has a body on her, too. I'm sure Bond will have slept with both of them by the time this film is over.

He was really heroic rescuing the girl from the elevator fire. That was a good scene. A View To A Kill will make my cut for being amongst the best Bond films.

Now OC47150, "The Spy Who Loved Me" and "For Your Eyes Only" were both great Bond films, too. Great picks - especially TSWLM!

Tycho
12-07-2008, 01:21 AM
I loved Goldeneye. They amped up the thrills and seeing 006 in action with 007 at the beginning was very cool.

Pierce Brosnan is very good. But I think it's the character of James Bond that is written very well.

The plots are hokey and campy in a lot of ways, but that's the genre. Still, Bond is written consistently and he's very likeable.

Slicker
12-07-2008, 03:19 AM
I was waiting until you got to Goldeneye. I've seen a good number of the Bond films but I absolutely LOVE Goldeneye. I'm a big fan of Brosnan as Bond so I may be a bit biased with this one. I really think the sheer awesomeness of the game for N64 helps a LOT too.

Tycho
12-07-2008, 07:41 AM
Yes, Goldeneye rocked. I'm going to watch Tomorrow Never Dies next.

I think I'm likely to rent ALL these movies again (they're mostly $0.99 rentals) but with the films at like $5 for most of them, buying the box sets seems like a very realistic possibility. I'm really into James Bond now.

I just purchased "A View To A Kill" TWICE on iTunes: John Barry 's instrumental was beautiful, as well as the awesome and very well-known DuranDuran song. I'm playing it constantly. For the moment, that's my favorite Bond music.

Anyway, I have seen at least over 50% of the Bond movies now - probably more (I didn't calculate it) and am already dreading the day I'll have seen them all. Thus I'm planning to rent them again. :rolleyes:

I'm trying NOT to collect stuff I don't need now - but if I'm going to watch these a lot, I might as well own them. Thing is: Dark Knight comes out on Tuesday, so we'll see if Bond holds my interest then or I'm all-about Batman for a while.

Lowly Bantha Cleaner
12-07-2008, 12:43 PM
Like Tycho, I was late getting into the Bond fold. My aunt took me to see "Tomorrow Never Dies" sometime around Christmas in 1997 and I thought it was a good movie, but was never enthralled by it or motivated to seek out the other Bond movies.

It wasn't until 2005-2006 when the Encore family, the only movie channels that we subscribed to on satellite, was playing about 3 Bond movies a day, and had Bond marathons every once in a while that I became interested. My dad was more of a fan than I was, and started watching a few with me and before I knew it, I owned three box set special edition DVDs and was chomping at the bit to see Casino Royale.

Still haven't gotten off my keester to see Quantam of Solace. I am waiting for my brother to come in for the Holidays to see it.

Just a few comments after reading other reviews from this thread:

"The Spy Who Loved Me" is an acclaimed Bond film by critics, and is often cited as Moore's best Bond, but it never sparked the same feelings in me that a few other Bonds did. "For Your Eyes Only" is Moore's best IMHO.

Brosnan seems to be swept under the rug due to the buzz Craig has generated. He is often cited as the most versatile Bond, since he had the charm (Connery), the humor (Moore), and the right amount of seriousness and dedication to his job (Dalton). I still think Connery is the gold standard but I appreciate the job he did and how he revived the franchise that once went 6 years without a picture. I was quite surprised that producers didn't try everything they could have to lure him for a 5th movie.

Roger Moore's offerings are both the best and worst of the lot. I think "A View To A Kill" and "Moonraker" are plain silly and showed Moore's age. Never liked "Octopu$$y." I mentioned my feelings about "The Spy Who Loved Me" above. I really liked "FYOE" and "The Man With The Golden Gun (even though critics didn't)."Live and Let Die" was meh for me.

Tycho, I am glad you are saving "On Her Majesty's Secret Service." I don't think that film is appreciated until you watch others unfold so that you can truly understand the personal conundrums a super spy faces due to his profession. Some people dislike the movie, I for one think it is one of the best.

And Sean Connery never did a skiing scene.

Tycho
12-08-2008, 02:19 AM
Quantum of Solace was just awesome! One of the best Bond movies easily!

There was so much action and a great story. Daniel Craig is the most physical / action packed Bond ever!

Slicker
12-08-2008, 02:36 AM
Way to put the same thing in two threads.

I'm gonna go and see Quantum of Solace again tonight.

jonthejedi
12-08-2008, 04:08 AM
Lazenby aside, OHMSS IS definitely one of the best Bonds. I really dug Telly Savalas as Blofeld.

OC47150
12-08-2008, 06:47 PM
Craig's gotten beat up more in the first 20 minutes of his two movies than Roger Moore did in all of his!

JediTricks
12-08-2008, 08:13 PM
I won't argue with that claim, as that is also my personal favorite. ;) Of the 4 games I mentioned I never once said that any of them were by any means "the best" or "the worse" Bond games ever made, I simply stated that they were, from a story perspective, the most original. :p

If I had to rate the games (from "GoldenEye 007" in 1997 to "From Russia With Love" in 2005) on the actual game quality I'd have to go with the following order (from best to worse).


Goldeneye 007 (Rare)
Everything or Nothing (EA)
From Russia With Love (EA)
Nightfire (EA)
Agent Under Fire (EA)
The World is Not Enough (EA)
GoldenEye: Rogue Agent (EA)
Tomorrow Never Dies (EA)
007 Racing (EA)


I can't really comment on Activision's "Quantum of Solace" as I haven't tried it out or seen it in action yet, but based on what the reviews I read are for it I'd say that my current impression of the game would probably place it either just above or just below "GoldenEye: Rogue Agent".I gues I should get From Russia With Love then, I was initially interested but just faded when it came out.



I finished Dr. No and liked it a lot. It's a much more realistic Bond film. That said, it's slower than most, but Sean Connery is a class act!Dr. No is also dirt cheap compared to the rest of the movies, even From Russia With Love has significantly better production values.



I've started Goldfinger and am loving that one too. It is far more campy of course (thank goodness he didn't have a remote-controlled golf ball. I was expecting that). But the Aston-Martin was introduced, even if chronologically speaking, Casino Royale marks its debut in "the prequel."Uh, no, the Aston Martin makes its debut in Goldfinger. Casino Royale is not a prequel, it does not take place in the past.



As a long-time Bond afficiando, I can say Roger Moore only made two Bond movies worth watching: The Spy Who Loved Me and For Your Eyes Only. Three others are okay: Moonraker, Octo and Live and Let Die. It almost killed the franchise twice with his other outings: Man with the Golden Gun and A View to a Kill.Yes, it almost killed the franchise by burying it under a mountain of box office money. It cost $13mil and made nearly $100mil. Yes, it made less than Live and Let Die, and half what Spy Who Loved Me made, but it still made lots of cash which guaranteed another Bond flick.


Tycho loved View to a Kill and then Goldeneye. Wow, what a contradiction in films.


Stupid DVD sets are a pain now, they contradict the previous sets so you either buy them again or buy individuals. I'm just gonna wait until Blu-ray and buy them all again there.



I just purchased "A View To A Kill" TWICE on iTunes: John Barry 's instrumental was beautiful, as well as the awesome and very well-known DuranDuran song. I'm playing it constantly. For the moment, that's my favorite Bond music.The only instrumental Bond I own is from Tomorrow Never Dies, the soundtrack is better than the film. :p But I have all the main themes on CD up to The World is Not Enough (Madonna broke Bond themes when she did Die Another Day as a lazy dance tune).


Anyway, I have seen at least over 50% of the Bond movies now - probably more (I didn't calculate it) and am already dreading the day I'll have seen them all. Thus I'm planning to rent them again. :rolleyes:You're over 3/4s in, I believe.


I'm trying NOT to collect stuff I don't need now - but if I'm going to watch these a lot, I might as well own them. Thing is: Dark Knight comes out on Tuesday, so we'll see if Bond holds my interest then or I'm all-about Batman for a while.If you're going to buy Bond sets and you're not going to get a blu-ray player for your HDTV (which I don't get at all, but that's your thing), then check out the internet, the Bond box sets vol 1-3 are $30 each on Amazon, and they're great DVDs, lots of good extras.



Brosnan seems to be swept under the rug due to the buzz Craig has generated. He is often cited as the most versatile Bond, since he had the charm (Connery), the humor (Moore), and the right amount of seriousness and dedication to his job (Dalton). I still think Connery is the gold standard but I appreciate the job he did and how he revived the franchise that once went 6 years without a picture. I was quite surprised that producers didn't try everything they could have to lure him for a 5th movie.The producers fired Brosnan after he did the video game Everything or Nothing. They misused him, his movies kept getting worse and worse with each iteration, because the writers they were getting got worse and worse. Die Another Day was a tragedy. And Brosnan was getting older, so they felt they wanted a younger Bond to carry the torch - naturally they get the guy who was pushing 40 and looked like an old shoe??? The funny thing is, there's this younger pic on IMDB of him where THAT version of Craig might have been able to pull off something like Dr. No, but that was from 2001 and he still looks like a cheap thug in other pics from that movie (it was Tomb Raider, which I didn't see).


Roger Moore's offerings are both the best and worst of the lot. I think "A View To A Kill" and "Moonraker" are plain silly and showed Moore's age. Never liked "Octopu$$y." I mentioned my feelings about "The Spy Who Loved Me" above. I really liked "FYOE" and "The Man With The Golden Gun (even though critics didn't)."Live and Let Die" was meh for me.When was the last time you gave Octo***** a watch? I used to feel it was a complete waste, but watching it recently, I noticed it does have some spy material that works, and while it's played a little silly, it's not generally ridiculously over the top except for a few bits.


"On Her Majesty's Secret Service." I don't think that film is appreciated until you watch others unfold so that you can truly understand the personal conundrums a super spy faces due to his profession. Some people dislike the movie, I for one think it is one of the best.I think Bond fans are far too generous with this one. It's got horrible pacing and is stagnant, so the crux of Bond's story ends up taking a back seat to an overblown silly world domination plot that's not even fun and takes far too long to get there. And Lazenby's Bond is just the wrong notes IMO. This is one of those movies that they could remake and it'd be good, but the movie they made is only good on paper.

Tycho
12-09-2008, 03:10 AM
Tomorrow Never Dies had a great story and a lot of awesome action sequences - and the sets and props were awesome!

Watching that made me want to even watch it over again!

The World Is Not Enough is starting to suck by comparison. The foreign girl in TWINE is by far one of THE hottest Bond girls I've ever seen. Then Denise Richards...is just so ANNOYING! And I love Denise and always thought she was hot - but I'm not into her character in this movie at all! If she just posed for the camera in her tight little shorts, it'd make me smile. But she just has no place in this movie - debuting in the middle of Khazackstan as a nuclear scientist. Yeah - right.

The boat chase after the assassin in Q's new speeder was fun though.

Still it can't compete with the helicopter chasing Bond on the motorcycle in Vietnam and the awesome sets designed for the stealth ship - not to mention that cool plot about the media mogul - which might've been over-the-top, but nevertheless, very creative.

OC47150
12-09-2008, 08:05 PM
Here's a cool Bond website to check out.

http://www.mi6.co.uk/mi6.php3

The World is Not Enough is Brosnan's weakest outing. The plot isn't the strongest, when compared to Goldeneye or Tomorrow Never Dies, and Denise Richards is just not believable as a nuclear scientest. She definitely ranks up there with Tanya Roberts as one of the worst Bond girls.

Tomorrow Never Dies is a great one, too. I don't view Michelle Yeoh as a Bond girl but more of a partner. She can hold her own.

Dr. No was made on a $1 million budget. FRWL was made with $2 million.

I've seen the latest 2-disc sets on the Bond movies being sold separately at Wal-Mart, for about $15. I'd like the get the first 3 for the extras. If not, I'm satisfied with the set I have. And yes, how the discs were previously sold were a pain in the butt. Die Another Day was released separately then four months later added to the box set. Doesn't make sense to me, and it took me a while to get the movies from the third set.

If you haven't checked them out, Tycho, you need to watch James Colburn's Derek Flint movies, Our Man Flint and In Like Flint. Without Flint, we wouldn't have Austin Powers.

Tycho
12-09-2008, 09:20 PM
I finished The World Is Not Enough and was surprised by several of the plot twists the story took after I'd last posted.

I was surprised to find I liked it more than I thought I would - and the end fight on the submarine off the shores of Turkey was a pretty cool finale.

But yeah, Tomorrow Never Dies was a stronger story and better film for Pierce Brosnan. Still, he's a good Bond, too.

Now I've never seen Lazenby or Dalton, so I have to track down those.

OC47150
12-09-2008, 09:48 PM
I think you'll like both of them, Tycho. Just remember: Dalton's a trained Shakespearean actor.

I can't remember if it was on the Bond site or on Wikipedia, but I found the plot of the third movie Dalton was supposed to do. It had an interesting plot. Too bad it never got made.

Tycho
12-10-2008, 01:39 AM
Why did they switch from Dalton to Brosnan?

OK: Connery and Moore got too old. Did Dalton? Did Brosnan? (for when they switched to Craig?)

Tycho
12-10-2008, 03:30 AM
Now I've seen most of the James Bond movies. In bold is what I have left to watch:

1 Dr. No
2 From Russia with Love
3 Goldfinger
4 Thunderball
5 You Only Live Twice
6 On Her Majesty's Secret Service
7 Diamonds Are Forever
8 Live and Let Die
9 The Man with the Golden Gun
10 The Spy Who Loved Me
11 Moonraker
12 For Your Eyes Only
13 Octo*****
13a Never Say Never Again
14 A View to a Kill
15 The Living Daylights
16 Licence to Kill
17 GoldenEye
18 Tomorrow Never Dies
19 The World Is Not Enough
20 Die Another Day
21 Casino Royale
22 Quantum of Solace

OC47150
12-10-2008, 07:10 PM
Why did they switch from Dalton to Brosnan?

The Bond franchise has been plagued with legal problems from the very beginning (the McClory issue, for one). One of these issues sprang up after License to Kill. Dalton was signed to do a third movie but got tired of waiting for the camera to roll and was released from his contract.

By the time the legal issues were resolved, it was the mid-90s and Brosnan was available to be Bond.

Tycho
12-11-2008, 08:40 AM
Thanks OC47150.

I picked up the last "more recent" Bond films I haven't yet seen:

15 The Living Daylights
16 Licence to Kill
20 Die Another Day

But I wasn't able to find:

Thunderball
On Her Majesty's Secret Service
Live and Let Die

I will though. But first I'll watch what I got. I'm now very likely to buy the complete set of Bond movies. I'd definitely watch most of these more than once.

I could watch Goldfinger, The Spy Who Loved Me, Moonraker, For Your Eyes Only, Never Say Never Again, A View To A Kill, Goldeneye, Tomorrow Never Dies, The World Is Not Enough, Casino Royale, and Quantum of Solace all over again - right now.

Bond is the bomb!

Lord Malakite
12-11-2008, 02:37 PM
Well, I found the 1967 version of "Casino Royale" (http://www.amazon.com/Casino-Royale-David-Niven/dp/B00005JL0I) for you to purchase Tycho. If the regular edition isn't good enough for you there is also the special 40th Anniversary (http://www.amazon.com/Casino-Royale-Anniversary-Ursula-Andress/dp/6302470021/ref=pd_cp_d_0/190-8105731-4148133?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-41&pf_rd_r=1P86KZ39SQS0RMQKT2BM&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_p=413864101&pf_rd_i=B00005JL0I) edition. After looking at several websites regarding the "extra features" of the two DVD versions, the 40th Anniversary edition has the better extras overall, but the regular edition is the only version that includes the 1950's Climax! TV show "Casino Royale" episode. Let the torture begin.:D

OC47150
12-11-2008, 09:10 PM
Tycho, check Big Lots/Odd Lots. I found LALD for $4 a couple of weeks ago. At that time, Big Lots had all of the movies, through Die Another Day.

JediTricks
12-12-2008, 08:55 PM
Tomorrow Never Dies had a great story and a lot of awesome action sequences - and the sets and props were awesome!

Watching that made me want to even watch it over again!I liked TND, but it's more an "experience" movie than a story movie. The opening scene is exciting as all get-out, the BMW scenes are great, but the drama is never really delivered upon, and the 3rd act misses every note. Fun to watch, but not to think about. :p And Michelle Yeoh seems not really in the Bond universe, but visiting from a different one (which is essentially accurate, I suppose).



The World Is Not Enough is starting to suck by comparison. The foreign girl in TWINE is by far one of THE hottest Bond girls I've ever seen. Then Denise Richards...is just so ANNOYING! And I love Denise and always thought she was hot - but I'm not into her character in this movie at all! If she just posed for the camera in her tight little shorts, it'd make me smile. But she just has no place in this movie - debuting in the middle of Khazackstan as a nuclear scientist. Yeah - right.I don't care for Elektra King, she's all over the map in terms of conveying the character, and she's only moderately appealing as a "Bond Girl". But didn't I warn you constantly that Denise Richards sucked in this? :p Hard to believe anything could be so bad, right?


The boat chase after the assassin in Q's new speeder was fun though.Everything up to the opening credits is pretty good. I also liked the BMW in this film, it kicked butt and had a great fight even if it was too much of a set piece.


Still it can't compete with the helicopter chasing Bond on the motorcycle in Vietnam and the awesome sets designed for the stealth ship - not to mention that cool plot about the media mogul - which might've been over-the-top, but nevertheless, very creative.Really, the TND Stealth Ship worked for you? I thought it was rather pale compared to most big set pieces for 007 films. The plot about the media mogul was based intentionally on Rupert "Fox News" Murdoch. :D



The World is Not Enough is Brosnan's weakest outing. I actually felt TWINE was stronger than TND. Bond connects with Elektra on a more fascinating level, the film is less tongue-in-cheek, Bond runs a gamut of emotional material, it goes to more interesting places (though the use of them and the cinematography is less than great), there's more and stronger action scenes, and the ending is more exciting. But my point was really to say that TWINE is head and shoulders better than Die Another Day, possibly the most offensive Bond movie to date by sheer laziness and bloat.



Why did they switch from Dalton to Brosnan?

OK: Connery and Moore got too old. Did Dalton? Did Brosnan? (for when they switched to Craig?)Dalton was signed to do another film, but the poor performance from License to Kill and a few other issues caused a large delay in getting production together on Goldeneye, and by the time they were ready to announce it, Dalton felt too much time had passed and he didn't want to continue (he claims he was too old, but I think he wanted the role to be darker and the producers wanted Bond to be more balanced, this was a problem they went head to head on with The Living Daylights and there's an alternate cut out there with Dalton playing a darker version of Bond). It didn't hurt that the producers had wanted Brosnan for years and nearly signed him a decade earlier until he discovered his tv contract wouldn't allow him to do it at the time, but now was free.


The Bond franchise has been plagued with legal problems from the very beginning (the McClory issue, for one). One of these issues sprang up after License to Kill. Dalton was signed to do a third movie but got tired of waiting for the camera to roll and was released from his contract.

By the time the legal issues were resolved, it was the mid-90s and Brosnan was available to be Bond.Dalton announced he was quitting only a few weeks before Brosnan was revealed, I believe the wheels were already in motion there.



Well, I found the 1967 version of "Casino Royale" (http://www.amazon.com/Casino-Royale-David-Niven/dp/B00005JL0I) for you to purchase Tycho. If the regular edition isn't good enough for you there is also the special 40th Anniversary (http://www.amazon.com/Casino-Royale-Anniversary-Ursula-Andress/dp/6302470021/ref=pd_cp_d_0/190-8105731-4148133?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-41&pf_rd_r=1P86KZ39SQS0RMQKT2BM&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_p=413864101&pf_rd_i=B00005JL0I) edition. After looking at several websites regarding the "extra features" of the two DVD versions, the 40th Anniversary edition has the better extras overall, but the regular edition is the only version that includes the 1950's Climax! TV show "Casino Royale" episode. Let the torture begin.:DThis thing is like the SW Holiday Special in sheer crapitude.

El Chuxter
12-13-2008, 02:08 PM
What? Woody Allen doesn't work in a Bond flick? You're joking, right? That'd be like saying Tim Allen wouldn't be a great ShamWow carnie guy.

OC47150
12-17-2008, 08:42 PM
A little OT, but has anyone other than me read the new Bond novel that came out back in the summer, Devil May Care? I wanted to get some other fans' opinions on it.

The Fleming Foundation hired Sebastian Faulk to write a new novel, which he did but in Ian Fleming's writing style. It's set in the late 1960s.

Tycho
12-27-2008, 03:28 PM
So I've continued my James Bond movie marathon and have finished the Timothy Dalton films. He was not my favorite Bond by a longshot, (perhaps the one I liked the least), but the stories were decent.

The Living Daylights was a better movie than License to Kill, but LTK did make me emotional in my wanting revenge for what they did to Felix. But he lived with only a leg bit off by that shark? I mean how? Why didn't he drown even if the shark forwent eating the rest of him?

Anyway, I've now seen all the films except those I put in bold:

1 Dr. No
2 From Russia with Love
3 Goldfinger
4 Thunderball
5 You Only Live Twice
6 On Her Majesty's Secret Service
7 Diamonds Are Forever
8 Live and Let Die
9 The Man with the Golden Gun
10 The Spy Who Loved Me
11 Moonraker
12 For Your Eyes Only
13 Octo*****
13a Never Say Never Again*
14 A View to a Kill
15 The Living Daylights
16 Licence to Kill
17 GoldenEye
18 Tomorrow Never Dies
19 The World Is Not Enough
20 Die Another Day
21 Casino Royale
22 Quantum of Solace

I have Die Another Day out on rental but left it at my cousin's by accident. I'll watch it later this weekend. I like Pierce Brosnan's portrayal of Bond, but I've heard this is not his better outing.

Now if I were recommending Bond films based on the ones I have seen:

1 Dr. No
3 Goldfinger
5 You Only Live Twice
10 The Spy Who Loved Me
11 Moonraker
12 For Your Eyes Only
13a Never Say Never Again*
14 A View to a Kill
15 The Living Daylights
17 GoldenEye
18 Tomorrow Never Dies
21 Casino Royale
22 Quantum of Solace

I guess I really like just over half of them. That's a good showing with how many there actually are.

OC47150
12-27-2008, 06:41 PM
License to Kill capitalized on the Miami Vice/cocaine wars of the late 80s. It's was timely.

You need to see Dalton in Hot Fuzz, Tycho. He had a great time playing a bad guy in that movie.

The part where Felix had his leg taken off by a shark was originally introduced in the Live and Let Die novel.

Spike TV showed the Bond movies this week. I still think the storylines from the 60s Bond movies hold up well today. The 70s ones, particularly Live and Let Die, looks really dated.

Tycho
12-27-2008, 09:21 PM
They really like to put sharks into the Bond films. Capitalizing on Jaws, no doubt.

I mean I'm fascinated by sharks, too - but every movie?

Indiana Jones did snakes, bats, bugs, crocodiles, rats, ants - that sort of thing.

Bond did have a tiger, a crocodile, elephants, camels - yeah. OK. Bond checks out. But there just were a lot of sharks.

JediTricks
12-28-2008, 09:08 PM
T, you have done well to save those for last, they're what I'd classify as the weakest.

Sorry you didn't like Dalton's Bond. It's one of my favorites, he's colder and darker and really gets the job done. But I see The Living Daylights in the middle of your list, so I suppose something worked about that one for ya.

People have survived shark bites before.

OC's right about Dalton in Hot Fuzz. Dalton has this great, understated ability to play almost every part he gets into. His work in The Rocketeer was really good too, although not funny like in Hot Fuzz (ugh, his comeuppance still makes me wince). It's too bad he doesn't get more parts.



The 70s ones, particularly Live and Let Die, looks really dated. Even Bond's suit in the film looks really bad. Diamonds are Forever and Live and Let Die pretty much reek of '70s. Spy Who Loved Me gets a pass because it tones down the cheesy fashions and camera styles a little, and is a lot of fun. Moonraker I don't remember one way or the other in this department, it was silly in its own rite.



License to Kill capitalized on the Miami Vice/cocaine wars of the late 80s. It's was timely.In hindsight, I enjoy the film more because it's a personal tale for Bond and Dalton really makes a meal out of the film, but as a kid it was a bit boring that Bond didn't go anywhere besides the tropics. This was one of the first films I went to by myself, no parent, and I enjoyed it but didn't love it the way I had other Bond films. Side note, LTK is one of the only films to sport a surgeon general's warning about smoking - they must have been talking about the main women in the film, 'cause they're both HOT! (Carey Lowell went on to be an ADA on Law & Order, but she wasn't particularly sexy there, though that'd be a hard act to follow anyway since her character replaced Jill Hennessy's, and she was way cute).



They really like to put sharks into the Bond films. Capitalizing on Jaws, no doubt. Riiight, ok then. Jaws (the book) = 1974. First Bond film with significant sharks = 1965. Good call there, sport.


I think there may be some subconscious choice to use sharks in Bond films not just because they're cinematic and scary, but also because they are cold, deadly killers just like Bond. That may be a stretch though.

Tycho
12-29-2008, 11:30 AM
I know Bond can be an assassin if the mission requires it, but I have not really seen him portrayed as really cold-blooded except now, with Daniel Craig - especially in that embassy killing that Casino Royale opens with.

I think past Bond movies have kept it on the lighter side, perhaps in hoping to keep audiences liking the character.

Daniel Craig has played a harder, meaner Bond. I can like the change.

JediTricks
12-29-2008, 08:39 PM
Dalton's bond is a pretty cold killer in both his outings, though some of them get thwarted by circumstance.

I love that moment in The Spy who Loved Me where Roger Moore has confronted Jaws' partner at the apartment roof, the stubby little bald killer is hanging onto his tie, and Bond smacks it out of his hand. That was a great scene, that was where Moore really grabbed the more direct piece of Bond's character - he's got this look on his face that says a lot in such an elegant moment.

Lowly Bantha Cleaner
12-30-2008, 02:06 AM
When was the last time you gave Octo***** a watch? I used to feel it was a complete waste, but watching it recently, I noticed it does have some spy material that works, and while it's played a little silly, it's not generally ridiculously over the top except for a few bits.


Moore in a clown getup, knife throwing silent identical twins, Bond swinging across the jungle with a Tarzan yell in the background, and an earlier Bond girl who played a different role with a cadre of all female physical bodyguards who seem to overpower everyone all while wearing hideous leotards are just some of the zany things in this movie. But I still don't think it is that bad.



I think Bond fans are far too generous with this one. It's got horrible pacing and is stagnant, so the crux of Bond's story ends up taking a back seat to an overblown silly world domination plot that's not even fun and takes far too long to get there. And Lazenby's Bond is just the wrong notes IMO. This is one of those movies that they could remake and it'd be good, but the movie they made is only good on paper.

The editing in this movie was done by John Glen, future director of 5 Bond Movies and was supervised by Director Peter Hunt who was a former editor himself. I heard the fight scenes were edited as such as to maximize the skill and ferociousness of the new Bond, which is something that Lazenby had a leg up on Connery.

The plot is far fetched, but what about the next movie DAF and the plot to melt the Earth from space or TSWLM with someone who was trying to destroy the Earth so he can build an empire from the sea or Moonraker, which almost had the same exact plot? It was no more unbelievable than those.

Lazenby for his first acting movie role, did I thought a marvelous job considering his only talent up to that point were commercials. Critics panned it back in the day, but many cite this Bond as being one of the best and certainly overlooked because many expected Connery part 2 with George, the box offices were down from earlier Bonds (but certainly profitable) and the length of the movie, the longest next to Casino Royale I think.

JediTricks
12-30-2008, 02:58 AM
Moore in a clown getup, knife throwing silent identical twins, Bond swinging across the jungle with a Tarzan yell in the background, and an earlier Bond girl who played a different role with a cadre of all female physical bodyguards who seem to overpower everyone all while wearing hideous leotards are just some of the zany things in this movie. But I still don't think it is that bad.First off, the clown makeup bit is good spy material, it's not at all played for cheap laughs, it's actually very dramatic. The knife-throwing twins didn't phase me at all, in fact I think that came across as a good pulpy spy novel type of device. The previous Bond girl was a little odd, but she had changed a bit with age, and previously played a smaller character. The all-female army was one of those things I have to give you, they're in ridiculous '80s getups and they come off silly against their opponents, this is one of those things I think plays better in a book than seeing it. The Tarzan yell is silly too, but brief (unlike the gorilla costume later on), none of this compares to Moonraker but we're not trying to find the bottom level. :p


The editing in this movie was done by John Glen, future director of 5 Bond Movies and was supervised by Director Peter Hunt who was a former editor himself. I heard the fight scenes were edited as such as to maximize the skill and ferociousness of the new Bond, which is something that Lazenby had a leg up on Connery. Here's the thing, Glen is a good director and editor, but OHMSS was his first outing and I don't think he had found the voice of cinematic Bond yet. Hunt had edited the first 5 Bond flicks, but had never directed ANYTHING before OHMSS. This, coupled with an unfamiliar actor in the lead role, I think ends up hampering the choices made.


The plot is far fetched, but what about the next movie DAF and the plot to melt the Earth from space or TSWLM with someone who was trying to destroy the Earth so he can build an empire from the sea or Moonraker, which almost had the same exact plot? It was no more unbelievable than those. I've never heard anybody say DAF was a great Bond flick, but at least its plot to blow up the world and TSWLM's were fun over-the-top material (and, loathe I am to use this term about them, more believable). And citing Moonraker here, what's the point? It's not like most fans are gonna say "oh, that's a great film, I see your point!" ;)


Lazenby for his first acting movie role, did I thought a marvelous job considering his only talent up to that point were commercials. Critics panned it back in the day, but many cite this Bond as being one of the best and certainly overlooked because many expected Connery part 2 with George, the box offices were down from earlier Bonds (but certainly profitable) and the length of the movie, the longest next to Casino Royale I think.You are very generous. Lazenby's skills are sorely tested at nearly every turn, and while he does a fair job keeping up, he's no Bond in the role IMO. Everything's on his sleeve and nothing's in reserve, he feels out of place in the part. He's awkward too, in acting style and in the way he looks and moves. There's a reason his career has gone the way it has since then, and it ain't the "Bond Curse".

Lowly Bantha Cleaner
12-30-2008, 12:56 PM
Here's the thing, Glen is a good director and editor, but OHMSS was his first outing and I don't think he had found the voice of cinematic Bond yet. Hunt had edited the first 5 Bond flicks, but had never directed ANYTHING before OHMSS. This, coupled with an unfamiliar actor in the lead role, I think ends up hampering the choices made.

I'll concede that point. This was his first directing gig and he went on to do bigger and better things. OHMSS was certainly an epic Bond in scale and production and shouldn't have been filmed by an amateur, but I will concede some leeway for a rookie.


I've never heard anybody say DAF was a great Bond flick, but at least its plot to blow up the world and TSWLM's were fun over-the-top material (and, loathe I am to use this term about them, more believable). And citing Moonraker here, what's the point? It's not like most fans are gonna say "oh, that's a great film, I see your point!" ;)

What I wanted to say was that OHMSS plot line is no different from many other Bond movies, and if you consider it silly, then the whole lot of the movies are silly. Sometimes the plot are so wildly unbelievable, that they are hard to swallow, but I feel that Blofeld sold the "angels of death" scheme pretty well.

Moonraker was praised by critics when it first came out but you and me see that this movie has not stood the test of time.


You are very generous. Lazenby's skills are sorely tested at nearly every turn, and while he does a fair job keeping up, he's no Bond in the role IMO. Everything's on his sleeve and nothing's in reserve, he feels out of place in the part. He's awkward too, in acting style and in the way he looks and moves. There's a reason his career has gone the way it has since then, and it ain't the "Bond Curse".

Lazenby is no remarkable actor but you won't get me to say he did a poor job in his role as Bond. I think the word on Lazenby from critics of the movie is that while he was no Connery, he did an admirable job all things considered. Connery would not have done better and here is why. Connery is not known as an emotional actor but rather as a sophisticated gent (such as 007) and/or a hard nosed tough guy (The Untouchables). I can't imagine Connery pulling off the final scene better than Lazenby.

And from what I have read, Lazenby blew his acting career during the filming of the movie with his partying ways, cavalier attitude towards the producers, and from of course, choosing to give up on his role of Bond even though he had a movie left to do. Broccoli put out the word to executives that having George on your set was nothing but trouble and essentially blackballed his career.

Tycho
01-04-2009, 04:02 PM
Die Another Day was interesting but not the best. There was just too much CGI effects that looked fake and the impossible surfing scenes. It could have been salvaged by more realism.

The North Koreans proved a good adversary and the bad guys were interesting with their face-n-race changes. The traitorous M16 agent was hot, too: Miranda FROST. Hehe. Halle Berre did a nice job with her role as an NSA agent.

Much of it was predictable. But the hovercrafts were cool. I guess the showdown of ultimate trick cars had to happen at one point. I think the director knew how over-the-top he took that by leaving Ferraris and Lamborghinis burried in Korean rice paddies.

Well, now I've found all the James Bond films that 2 of the Blockbusters I've visited have. There's only 5 or less films I haven't seen yet.

I'm either going to rent them, or get them when I buy box sets of the films. I think I've decided I want to own all of these. James Bond is not my top action hero or hero-fantasy, but his adventures ARE very enjoyable to follow - if only as an indulgence in gratuitous sex and violence if anything.

Oh and the sword fight between Bond and Graves? Someone ought to edit in lightsabers and their sound effects and that would play really well. Haha.

OC47150
01-04-2009, 06:51 PM
Die Another Day was interesting but not the best. There was just too much CGI effects that looked fake and the impossible surfing scenes. It could have been salvaged by more realism.

Michael Wilson admits the invisible car was just too much. Since it was the 40th anniversary movie, it was cool to see gadgets from Bond movies past incorporated in Q's workshop.

I enjoy DAD, but like the North Korean parts more than the Iceland.

preacher
01-05-2009, 12:38 AM
Dalton's bond is a pretty cold killer in both his outings, though some of them get thwarted by circumstance.

I love that moment in The Spy who Loved Me where Roger Moore has confronted Jaws' partner at the apartment roof, the stubby little bald killer is hanging onto his tie, and Bond smacks it out of his hand. That was a great scene, that was where Moore really grabbed the more direct piece of Bond's character - he's got this look on his face that says a lot in such an elegant moment.

Don't Forget Your Eyes Only JT! He shoots the square rimmed glasses killer. The killer loses control of his car and crashes into a stone rail and then Roger Moore kicks the bumper of the car and watches it drop like a lead baloon. No retarded quips. No goofy smiles. Just a single Cold-hearted bad-mutha.

OC47150
01-05-2009, 07:42 PM
Don't Forget Your Eyes Only JT! He shoots the square rimmed glasses killer. The killer loses control of his car and crashes into a stone rail and then Roger Moore kicks the bumper of the car and watches it drop like a lead baloon. No retarded quips. No goofy smiles. Just a single Cold-hearted bad-mutha.

And that scene in FYEO is the closest Moore's Bond came to being a cold-blooded killer.

JON9000
01-06-2009, 09:12 PM
I have the first volume of the Bond Blu-rays. Dr. No and Live and Let Die are nothing short of revelations in this format. For somebody who watched these films 25 years ago on VHS recorded from TBS on LP speed, man, it is really something. I really cannot believe the cleanliness of the transfer and the beauty of the images. Pretty miraculous, and the movies are a lot more enjoyable.

Die Another Day is good right up to the Q scene- then it just goes to heck.

I really want to get volume two. Volume 1 was a gift, and I like it, but the V2 movies are far superior.


And that scene in FYEO is the closest Moore's Bond came to being a cold-blooded killer.

And incidentally my all time fave.


Even Bond's suit in the film looks really bad.

Take a look at Bond coming out of the airport in NYC at the beginning of the film with the black leather gloves and the double breasted suit. This look is not far from, indeed, is quite close to, the modern pages of GQ. This outfit would look quite dapper today. Solitaire's gear, on the other hand... (although I still love her with all my heart).


I'm liking A View To A Kill. The music is great along with the subtle orchestrations of the DuranDuran theme music.

John Barry gets a lot of respect for his Bond scores, and I think they have a lot more character than those by the other Bond composers. What fascinates me about them is how easily the main titles are so mutable- they can transition easily to more sensual music or accompaniments to the action parts. My favorite score is probably for OHMSS (except for the christmas tree song- truly a nightmare.)

El Chuxter
01-06-2009, 09:59 PM
The first one I plan to watch is For British Eyes Only, with the nefarious Mr. F.

JediTricks
01-09-2009, 04:51 PM
I'll concede that point. This was his first directing gig and he went on to do bigger and better things. OHMSS was certainly an epic Bond in scale and production and shouldn't have been filmed by an amateur, but I will concede some leeway for a rookie. IMO, the movie has to stand on its own without an asterisk, without a justification for why it's lesser-than. An audience without that information isn't going to judge the movie with that forgiveness, there's no such thing as an "A for effort".


What I wanted to say was that OHMSS plot line is no different from many other Bond movies, and if you consider it silly, then the whole lot of the movies are silly. Sometimes the plot are so wildly unbelievable, that they are hard to swallow, but I feel that Blofeld sold the "angels of death" scheme pretty well.It's silly in a different way though, in a "why would they go to this much trouble with such a weak delivery system as their final gambit?" It just doesn't come off cinematically at all, it has to be explained rather than seen. There's not much weight in watching Bloefeld explain his trick and hypnotizing women, it comes off goofy. That's the thing, the movie was trying to be true to the novel and character yet playing some of it so corny by showing stuff that just doesn't work off the page. The ending is like this, one side tragic the other side like straight out of an Austin Powers film.



Die Another Day was interesting but not the best. There was just too much CGI effects that looked fake and the impossible surfing scenes. It could have been salvaged by more realism.

The North Koreans proved a good adversary and the bad guys were interesting with their face-n-race changes. The traitorous M16 agent was hot, too: Miranda FROST. Hehe. Halle Berre did a nice job with her role as an NSA agent.

Much of it was predictable. But the hovercrafts were cool. I guess the showdown of ultimate trick cars had to happen at one point. I think the director knew how over-the-top he took that by leaving Ferraris and Lamborghinis burried in Korean rice paddies.
Incredibly generous opinion of this turkey.


Well, now I've found all the James Bond films that 2 of the Blockbusters I've visited have. There's only 5 or less films I haven't seen yet.

I'm either going to rent them, or get them when I buy box sets of the films. I think I've decided I want to own all of these. James Bond is not my top action hero or hero-fantasy, but his adventures ARE very enjoyable to follow - if only as an indulgence in gratuitous sex and violence if anything. Might as well save yourself the rental fees and just buy the boxed sets that are out now.



Michael Wilson admits the invisible car was just too much. Since it was the 40th anniversary movie, it was cool to see gadgets from Bond movies past incorporated in Q's workshop. The invisible car wasn't too much as a concept, the way they implemented it was ridiculously cheap. The technology is nearly here, but it's not gonna look THAT good.

I didn't care for the nods, it was too self-referential for me.


I enjoy DAD, but like the North Korean parts more than the Iceland.That's the thing, the first 5 minutes are kinda interesting if you ignore the surfing, but once you get to Bond's capture, it nosedives into this wildly uneven mess.



Don't Forget Your Eyes Only JT! He shoots the square rimmed glasses killer. The killer loses control of his car and crashes into a stone rail and then Roger Moore kicks the bumper of the car and watches it drop like a lead baloon. No retarded quips. No goofy smiles. Just a single Cold-hearted bad-mutha.Yeah, that's not a bad scene either, but it's not as cold-hearted, you can see Bond is angry there, he's getting revenge. In the apartment roof scene I was mentioning, Bond really acts cold-hearted, he could just as easily let the guy live as die, he has little reason to kill him, and his action is really cold.



I have the first volume of the Bond Blu-rays. Dr. No and Live and Let Die are nothing short of revelations in this format. For somebody who watched these films 25 years ago on VHS recorded from TBS on LP speed, man, it is really something. I really cannot believe the cleanliness of the transfer and the beauty of the images. Pretty miraculous, and the movies are a lot more enjoyable.I didn't even know they were on Blu-ray! I just looked it up, too expensive for my blood, Amazon wants $80 for the first 2 volumes, 6 films, it's not a bad price but for boxed sets of movies I already own, it's a tough pill to swallow. I don't even have an HD TV or high-end audio system yet, so for now I'm passing.

Also, the amazon reviews say the packaging is horrid, holding discs in with foam adhered to cardboard and the middle disc is loose, that's totally unacceptable.


Take a look at Bond coming out of the airport in NYC at the beginning of the film with the black leather gloves and the double breasted suit. This look is not far from, indeed, is quite close to, the modern pages of GQ. This outfit would look quite dapper today. Solitaire's gear, on the other hand... (although I still love her with all my heart).I'll have to take a look again, I don't remember it being anything of the sort.

You can't take a shot at Solitaire's wardrobe, it's meant to be unusual.



My favorite score is probably for OHMSS (except for the christmas tree song- truly a nightmare.)I don't get this, OHMSS's score is pretty popular with fans, but to me it's kinda hung on the bizarre choices of music from Louis Armstrong which feel so very badly out of place.



The first one I plan to watch is For British Eyes Only, with the nefarious Mr. F.I just watched all of those episodes, the joke is that they're NOT a parody of Bond.

El Chuxter
01-09-2009, 04:58 PM
But they're still funny. :)

Costco had the BluRay boxed sets on sale (one of their "instant rebate" things since they technically don't run sales) right before Christmas. I don't have or plan to get a BluRay player, so I passed.

JediTricks
01-09-2009, 07:03 PM
But they're still funny. :)Oh, definitely!

JON9000
01-12-2009, 11:51 AM
I didn't even know they were on Blu-ray! I just looked it up, too expensive for my blood, Amazon wants $80 for the first 2 volumes, 6 films, it's not a bad price but for boxed sets of movies I already own, it's a tough pill to swallow. I don't even have an HD TV or high-end audio system yet, so for now I'm passing.

I don't get this, OHMSS's score is pretty popular with fans, but to me it's kinda hung on the bizarre choices of music from Louis Armstrong which feel so very badly out of place.

They were $50 apiece at Costco for Christmas!

I got some Kubrick movies and Bladerunner as well. The Dark Knight is incredible, as is POTC. All I really want now is Iron Man, the Departed, and vol 2 of the Bond movies.

I have a soft spot for that Armstrong song, and its symphonic versions on the soundtrack.

JediTricks
01-12-2009, 04:11 PM
That is a good price. I don't have Costco unfortunately, and it sounds like it was clearance. I'll keep an eye out for cheaper aftermarket prices.

I got blu-ray Bladerunner for xmas, and Batman Begins. I already own TDK and Iron Man on it, as well as Wall-e, which is the extent of my blu-ray library so far. :p

It's not a bad Louis Armstrong song, I just don't get why it or any of those pieces are in a Bond movie, it's a bad fit for my tastes. Those are the only tracks in my Bond playlist that I had to delete after a couple listenings (everything from Die Another Day on is absent).

El Chuxter
01-12-2009, 04:14 PM
That is a good price. I don't have Costco unfortunately, and it sounds like it was clearance.

Nope, Costco just runs killer deals on DVDs before Christmas.

Lowly Bantha Cleaner
07-10-2010, 03:45 PM
The latest Bond movie, the 23rd in the series, has had the plug pulled on it, due to financial issues.

http://www.filmshaft.com/james-bond-23-abandoned/

Tycho
07-10-2010, 05:37 PM
I didn't read the article you linked to yet (time is short at the moment, so I'm just on SSG for a second) but that's ashame. I just recently bought ALL the James Bond movies and watched Daniel Craig's prequels first, and then have watched the Sean Connery films through Thunderball.

The last is an excellent movie and the whole underwater armies fight against SPECTRE is an incredible (and for its time) a great original battle scene.

It has its similarities as a prelude to some of what's been done in GI Joe vs. COBRA. (Not the new Joe movie specifically, but back to the 80's cartoons.)
I think watching the Bond films will also inspire me to buy the Austin Powers movies, perhaps Ace Ventura: Pet Detective films, and the Major League movies. (There's a logical explanation but it's an unecessarily long one - just explain it away as me being crazy and it'll go easier for those of you reading this.)

Anyway: You Only Live Twice is on deck for the Bond film I'm watching next.

Rocketboy
07-10-2010, 09:36 PM
Reports of Bond's death may have been slightly exaggerated.

MGM's financial troubles have forced EON Productions to only suspend development of the Bond 23 until MGM is sold (or the Bond rights are freed up to a new studio).

The good news: Daniel Craig and attached director Sam Mendes haven't abandoned Bond and both are ready to go once this financial mess is resolved.

JimJamBonds
07-11-2010, 11:08 AM
I also heard that Bond XXIII was already put on hold, and its now 'killed.' The question is how soon until MGM is sold, if its too long Craig and/or Mendes may jump ship.

OC47150
07-11-2010, 12:12 PM
Here's another take on the matter.

http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/17678/james-bond-in-suspended-animation

Dead? No, but delayed. The Bond franchise is too profitable to just die. It will be back, but it might be a while. We waited six years between Timothy Dalton and Pierce Brosnan, right?

I hope Daniel Craig is patient and sticks around. He's signed for a total of three or four movies.