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TheDarthVader
12-11-2002, 11:27 AM
I have noticed a considerable error in A New Hope. It concerns the color of Darth Vader's lightsaber. After he kills Kenobi, Luke yells and then Han Solo tells Luke to blast the door. Right after he does, we see Darth Vader walking towards that door with a BLUE lightsaber. It sure isn't red!! Surely he did not pick up Kenobi's lightsaber and ignite it?? That would be stupid. Has anyone else noticed this???? It is on my VHS tapes (not the special editioins).

Brian

The Overlord Returns
12-11-2002, 12:04 PM
That is simply because the technology at the time was poorer. The lightsabers in ANH look crap in general. You can see Lukes fathers lightsaber flip from light blue, to near solid white in some shots. Same thing with Kenobi and Vaders lightsaber....

It is merely a product of the technology of the time. It is still puzzling to this day that GL didn't go back and fix it during the special editions....

mini-rock
12-11-2002, 12:29 PM
On both my laserdiscs (original & SE) it's white, but I know what you mean. I almost wish the OT was made after the PT so it would fit in better with the prequels. I hope these little yet annoying things are fixed for the Archival release.

JediTricks
12-11-2002, 05:12 PM
I believe the white blades are because the rotoscoping wasn't done properly on that scene or the one where Obi-Wan's saber appears to fizzle out or the one where Luke practices against the seeker ball. Also, some of those shots were made with reflective tape on the set and may have been missed entirely by the rotoscope team who might have assumed they were already done.

TheJediCharles
12-12-2002, 01:24 PM
Well, it's hard to call this a considerable mistake when you probably didn't see it until you 45,378,725th viewing.

I believe there was a problem with adding the color to this shot because the doors close, but at any rate, it was deemed small enough to blow off.

There's very many such 'blow offs'. It doesn't denote poor quality, it just reminds on how massive an undertaking all these special effects can be to make. They have to sort of pick their priorities in order to make it on time.

Jedi Learner
12-13-2002, 01:16 AM
Of course, why it wasn't fixed in the Special Edition is beyond anyone's guess. You'd figure they could have spent just a minor amount of time adding color to the blade (probably less than five minutes) and fixed the problem. I mean, the SE's were the perfect opportunity to make corrections such as these, and it always amazes me how much Lucas (who has a reputation as being very detail-oriented) still chose to "blow off."

Beast
12-13-2002, 01:21 AM
He's mentioned before in interviews, that he chose not to correct any of the small filmed errors that were made in the movies. Such as flipping the shot, or charecters moving around during angle changes. Perhaps he considers the lightsaber mistake to be somthing that doesn't need fixed. It fits with his idea of the movies as modern serials. :)

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

Arrogant Arse
12-13-2002, 09:53 AM
I know this is way off this topic, but JediTricks mentioned it. What is rotoscoping?:confused:

JediTricks
12-13-2002, 05:37 PM
Rotoscoping is basically when a drawn piece of animation is added into a frame of film.

SW_Loyalist
12-22-2002, 12:48 AM
Jedi Learner, while it may amaze you how many things Lucas seems to have 'blown off', it may be time to review the saga again, this time reminding yourself to see how much he got RIGHT...THEN compare the proportions in an honest and objective light. Then follow that up with how many of those so-called errors were even noticed when you first saw the films... or secondly saw them... or even thirdly... or even EVER until someone else pointed them out to you. THEN come up with your final, still honest, appraisal of the error vs. well done factor.

Just because your eyes are now almost trained and coached into being drawn straight to what's wrong, you'll see how they were a totally forgivable aspect of the Star Wars films.

Forgivable, dare I say, to the point of not complaining about it.

;)

JediTricks
12-22-2002, 04:50 AM
Ben's blade fizzling out in ANH has bothered me since I was 7 or perhaps even younger, and several people who aren't SW fans have asked me why some of the blue lightsabers turn "yellow" in ANH. I disagree that it's only those looking for errors that find them. ANH and ESB are great movies and did tons of business, but I remember as a kid lots of people badmouthing the Yoda puppet one minute and then treating him as a holy sage the next, the thing about Star Wars is that - at least with some - these errors are not only accepted without lessening the quality for many, but for some it even adds a bit of charm.

SW_Loyalist
12-22-2002, 10:32 AM
Originally posted by JediTricks
I disagree that it's only those looking for errors that find them.

I wouldn't say that they're not ever noticed, but I maintain that those that are looking for mistakes are the only ones that harp on them.

I never said the films are perfect, but I'll repeat to my dying day the petty examples of FX errors are not worth complaining about.


Originally posted by JediTricks
these errors are not only accepted without lessening the quality for many, but for some it even adds a bit of charm.

Yea. But for the vast majority of viewers (and by that I mean the kinds that didn't become totally absorbed in SW like those of us here) who would tell you they really liked the films could not point out a single solitary error whatsoever.

That's my other point. I know it's not a popular thing to bring up with hardcore fans that they're vastly outnumbered by less analytical viewers and their more easy-going and apparently satisfied views. But hey, I'm incabable of emersing myself to the point of pretending it away in favor of thinking since hard core fans found a boo boo or two that they're somehow justified on harping on them to the point that it almost seems forgotten that we're only talking about movies.

But, I do like the charming approach to errors. Anything besides bellyaching about them.

My God... anything.

JEDIpartner
12-23-2002, 01:36 PM
I have to admit that I saw the title of this thread and though... "nooooo... really??!!"

There are actually quite a few "errors" in this film as well as every other film in the series. The colour thing IS a bit annoying, though. I seriously hope, though, that this does not prevent you from enjoying the film from this point forward... :D

TheJediCharles
12-23-2002, 03:11 PM
he he he

Yea, I thought that too.

JediTricks
12-24-2002, 04:01 AM
Here's the thing, if Lucas hadn't gone back and retouched the CT, then the errors would remain minor issues for the most part, but when he went back and "fixed" certain FX issues in '97 (I know he started earlier, but let's simplify things ;)), he left a huge window open for all the issues he didn't fix. The one that's bugged me for the past 20 years now has never been approached by Lucas even though several similar issues were addressed in the SEs - this being the vast number of matting problems with the Rancor. If you're going to go back, drop a small fortune to repair these movies under the guise of "saving them for posterity before they were lost" and you demand changes, leaving some mistakes alone seems like just asking for trouble.

As for "but I maintain that those that are looking for mistakes are the only ones that harp on them", I disagree. I remember being 8 years old and having conversations with all my friends about why Obi-Wan's saber fizzled out in ANH, it was something that stuck out to us then, we certainly had a less-discerning palate at the time (which is the ONLY excuse for our enjoyment of Yahoo Serious' "Young Einstein" ;)) and I certainly don't remember actively looking for this stuff. And it wasn't just me and my ilk either, a few times our group would get into arguments with other cliques at school over things they thought were wrong that we didn't (like my "forcefields" excuse for the composite matte lines on the space vehicles).

TheDarthVader
01-31-2003, 04:43 PM
Has anyone noticed that Lando hits his head in Jabba's Palace in ROTJ? It occurs as either han solo or chewbacca is being led from the center of Jabba's palace into the dungeon.

Beast
01-31-2003, 05:06 PM
Hmm, Jango Fett hits his head in AOTC's. One of his clones, a Stormtrooper hits his head in ANH. And Lando Calrissian hits his head in Jabba's Palace. Oh my god, Lando's a clone!! It all makes so much sense now. :eek: :D

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

stillakid
01-31-2003, 06:15 PM
Originally posted by mini-rock
I almost wish the OT was made after the PT so it would fit in better with the prequels.

You know, it was within his power to make the Prequels fit in with the OT. EGAD! :eek: Not that!

Well, the story doesn't, so why bother with the fx? :sur:
(sak ducks and runs for cover)


;)

(peeks back in...)
Oh, and rotoscoping specifically has to do with the laborious process of tracing the edges of an element that one wishes to add to a background plate. It's all about the edges. :)

TheDarthVader
02-02-2003, 02:56 PM
Yes, Lando is a clone :) haha!!