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Daye Azur-Jamin
12-17-2002, 03:29 PM
What's up with the "cave" on dagobah?

Beast
12-17-2002, 03:46 PM
It's not been explained in the movies yet, but the EU has explained it. I don't buy into the story though, as there could be an actual story behind the tree in E3. :)

Much of Yoda's history is unknown. Just prior to the dark times that accompanied the fall of the Republic, Yoda trained the Gannathan royal King Empatojayos Brand in the ways of the Force. Another student of his was the powerful and stern Qu Rahn.

During those times Yoda figured in stopping a swath of destruction cut by Dark Jedi from Bpfassh. One of these dark siders had gotten as far as Dagobah, were Yoda bested him in direct confrontation. The Bpfasshi Jedi died, his dark Force absorbing into and twisting a nearby tree -- forming a dark side nexus. It is believed that Yoda chose Dagobah as his hiding place due to the dark side energies emanating from the tree. From a distance, Force-users like the Emperor would not detect Yoda since the master's bright light side presence would be canceled by the Bpfasshi dark side presence.

http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/yoda/eu.html

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

The Overlord Returns
12-17-2002, 03:53 PM
I once posed a theory that the "cave" was actually the remains of the shaft where darth maul met his end. of course, this meant that Dagobah was actually naboo, something I still think could be done, but I doubt it now. One of the main reasons I felt this to be the case, was due to the fact that the cave seems to have constructed walls. I swear Darth Vader passes under an arch way that does not look natural.

I'm wondering if we won't see a final showdown between Dooku and Yoda on dagobah in ep 3??

Emperors_Hand_2211
12-18-2002, 08:50 AM
I feel if we get any closure on the cave it will be the final showdown between Yoda and Dooku. I hope this is the case as it would tie things together nicely.

scruffziller
12-18-2002, 01:48 PM
Originally posted by The Overlord Returns
I once posed a theory that the "cave" was actually the remains of the shaft where darth maul met his end. of course, this meant that Dagobah was actually naboo, something I still think could be done, but I doubt it now. One of the main reasons I felt this to be the case, was due to the fact that the cave seems to have constructed walls. I swear Darth Vader passes under an arch way that does not look natural.

I'm wondering if we won't see a final showdown between Dooku and Yoda on dagobah in ep 3??

Man that is an interesting concept on the shaft where Maul fell.:)
When the EPS 1 trailer first came out and showed the Gungans riding through the mist, I thought it was Dagobah.

TheJediCharles
12-23-2002, 03:01 PM
I kinda figured it's one of two things.

Either it's a pre-existing phenomenon that Yoda sought out to live near in order to help conceal his presence there. The Darkside stuff in the cave might have sort of drowned out and neutralized any way of using the Force to detect him there.

Also, I thought it could have not been anything there at all, but just a sophisticated test Yoda created that was no more than just in Luke's mind. He did say there was nothing in there other than what he took with him. That sounds like Luke was being escorted by Yoda into his own psyche to be not only evaluated in how he would respond but even provide what he was to respond against. Probably Yoda didn't even set up what Luke would imagine he'd find. That was totally presented by what was foremost on Luke's mind, which obviously turned out to be revenge against Vader. The answer given was two-fold; one is he was heading for self-destruction and that killing this foe was almost killing himself, hinting that he was his father. But, apart from all that, this was no special cave at all. The only thing special about it was Yoda training at the mouth of it using all his means with the Force to teach Luke as much as he could as soon as possible, probably not unlike a mind-trick, using this arbitrary hole in the ground as a distraction from Luke's own feelings so they can be tested in their most raw and true light.

That's how I see it.

Dar Basra
12-23-2002, 07:19 PM
OBI-WAN: That's no cave. That's a space latrine!

SW_Loyalist
12-23-2002, 09:22 PM
It's too big to be a space latrine.

Wait... *snif snif* I think you're right.

stillakid
12-23-2002, 09:55 PM
Originally posted by TheJediCharles
I kinda figured it's one of two things.

Either it's a pre-existing phenomenon that Yoda sought out to live near in order to help conceal his presence there. The Darkside stuff in the cave might have sort of drowned out and neutralized any way of using the Force to detect him there.

Also, I thought it could have not been anything there at all, but just a sophisticated test Yoda created that was no more than just in Luke's mind. He did say there was nothing in there other than what he took with him. That sounds like Luke was being escorted by Yoda into his own psyche to be not only evaluated in how he would respond but even provide what he was to respond against. Probably Yoda didn't even set up what Luke would imagine he'd find. That was totally presented by what was foremost on Luke's mind, which obviously turned out to be revenge against Vader. The answer given was two-fold; one is he was heading for self-destruction and that killing this foe was almost killing himself, hinting that he was his father. But, apart from all that, this was no special cave at all. The only thing special about it was Yoda training at the mouth of it using all his means with the Force to teach Luke as much as he could as soon as possible, probably not unlike a mind-trick, using this arbitrary hole in the ground as a distraction from Luke's own feelings so they can be tested in their most raw and true light.

That's how I see it.

Very nice! I was thinking the same thing, but you said it quite eloquently. I'll second this motion as the most likely explanation that makes sense.

TheJediCharles
12-24-2002, 08:01 AM
Thanky, stillakid.