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derek
01-04-2003, 07:34 PM
i'm watching Cops right now, and this episode is featuring the tampa police department, who is conducting drug stings on city streets.

i can understand police enforcing drug laws and arresting individuals whom they witness engage in illegal activity, but i think it's crazy that the police can actually stand on a corner and offer drugs to people, and then seize their cars and offer to sell it back to the person they just arrested. believe it or not, i'm seeing this happen on TV!:eek:

i understand that people shouldn't be out buying drugs and they must suffer the consequences if they are caught, but how is it possible or even legal for the police to actually sell citizens real drugs and then arrest them for it? and the confiscation of someone's car, just to boost city revenues, is crazy. this sounds like something the mob would do.

Beast
01-04-2003, 07:44 PM
Well, it's really no different then a prostetution sting. If people are going to be stupid enough to do their dealing in public, then they deserve what they get. And I've seen the same confiscation of the car, and making the person pay the impound fees immediatly for that as well. :)

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

sith_killer_99
01-04-2003, 07:46 PM
I agree!

I feel the whole thing is entrapment. Not to mention that these guys are in possession of illegal substances themselves!:eek:

The prisons are over crowded and there are dealers out there with connections to bigger dealers who should be caught. You don't bust them by setting up the buyer on the street. You get them by buying from the dealers!

It's this kind of lame police work that allows dealers to go on selling!

derek
01-04-2003, 08:08 PM
I feel the whole thing is entrapment. Not to mention that these guys are in possession of illegal substances themselves

i agree. if drugs are going to be illegal, and the police make an arrest, the drugs should be used as evidence and then destroyed. i'm not trying to take the side of stupid people, whether they are looking to buy drugs or sex, i just don't think the police should be allowed to temp people into breaking the law.

Beast
01-04-2003, 08:16 PM
How is it tempting them to break the law? They are down there actually looking to buy drugs. If they didn't buy from the cops that are looking to bust them, then they would be buying from the actual pushers. It's not like they are having a huge sale on drugs, and people that wouldn't normally buy some, get tempted to make a purchase. :rolleyes: :)

MTFBWY and HH!

Jar Jar Binks

derek
01-04-2003, 08:27 PM
i just think there is a huge difference between a police officer asking someone, "hey you wanna get high? don't forget to bring a towel", as opposed to actual police work which would involve stopping the drugs at the source. these stings are like shooting fish in a barrell. it makes the cops look extremely lazy, generates income for wasteful city governments, overcrowds our justice system and lets the real criminals get away. i think police resources could be better spent on more important issues, rather than arresting idiots.:)

jobi
01-05-2003, 01:51 AM
the Cops weren't impounding the cars. They were seizing them. That means they were now the property of the Tampa P.D. That was a little jacked up. One of the cops was talking crap too. He was telling the guy that all the stuff he did to his car like rims and stuff were a waste cause Tampa P.D. owned it now. It was a nice 300ZX too. Impounding I can understand but SEIZING??? That's just plain wrong.

sith_killer_99
01-05-2003, 08:40 AM
Yeah, what right do they have to seize a car from someone who just bought illegal drugs. I can understand if they were selling illegal drugs, because then the case can be made that the drugs were used to finance the purchase of the car.

This makes as much sense as saying that if I were 19-20 and I owned my own home (it could happen) then get busted drinking (underage) in my home the police can seize it.

I think this whole thing sounds like mob/mafia tactics. But what can you expect from Tampa FL. P.D.! These guys rank right up there with the Chicago P.D. and L.A.P.D.

FLAUSA:rolleyes:

jjreason
01-05-2003, 02:07 PM
I don't know about Florida, but "seized" doesn't always mean "take colour of right to". Seized can simply mean to take for use as an exhibit in court. Seizures of legal, or legally owned properties MUST be monitored for continuity to have any evidentiary value in court. Once the trial is complete these exhibits are returned to the rightful owner. We can't just keep them. If they are a danger to the public (unregistered firearms for eg.) an application must be made to the courts to have the article destroyed. Even drugs.

derek
01-05-2003, 02:17 PM
jjreason,

i see you're in canada, so things may be different up there, but in the states, seizing and selling cars is the newest trend in american law enforcement. the cops on the show last night were almost proud they were taking ownership of these people's cars, and on the spot, were telling them they could buy it back from the city. this is just another way for corrupt government officials to boost city revenues.

Jedi Master Silas
01-05-2003, 06:03 PM
I have to support the procedure 100%. None of you are in the law inforcement world are you? I worked on a K-9 unit 5 years and let me say this...DRUGS KILL! HELLO! Drugs are evil they destroy neighborhoods, lives, KILL CHILDREN! Come on now...I rank the devastation of drugs to the acts of terrorists. Anyone can have an opinion so what do you all who dont think this tactic is right propose we do to help fight the war on drugs, and yes it IS a war. I'm very interested in seeing what you think law enforcement should do to slow the drug flow? Ever seen a 4 year old with a bullet in his chest? Oh he just got his heart removed by bullet from a drug deal gone bad. Have you ever seen a neighborhood go to hell because of pushers and sellers dealing from the street corners? Have you personally ever been a victim of random crime because of drugs? Everyone can sit comfy on there couches and say law enforement are wrong but when YOU loose someone you love just because they where in the wrong place at the wrong time or some idioit wacked out on drugs with a gun or a deal gone bad or overdosing, consuming a bad drug you will say why WHY...then think back to that episode of cops.

JediDBM
01-05-2003, 06:18 PM
I thought they could only seize it if it is proven that the car or property was bought with drug money. Like houses and property of drug dealers, everything that was suspected of being bought with drug money could be seized. But not just some dumb shmow buying a dime bag

sith_killer_99
01-05-2003, 06:28 PM
Um, yeah, I do have personal exeprience. My cousin died right before Christmas last year from shooting up. Her friends left her in the Hospital parking lot because they were afraid to take her in. They were all hopped up on drugs. Her condition was causes by a dirty needle from what I understand, something to do with the cotton sticking to the needle. I don't understand the science behind it and I could be mistaken.

I have another cousin who went away for a couple of years for dealing, pot. He had his house and all of his cars seized by the police.

I support hitting the dealers and hitting them hard I also support taking their property.

What I don't support is seizing the property of some guy out on the street buying a dime bag or an eight-ball.

I believe it is a waste of time to bust casual users (go to the source). If this guy was driving a hot car he is not some crazy strung out addict. He's more than likely a recreational user.

Would my cousin be alive today if she had been busted and had her car seized. NO!

History has proven that this does not work, addicts like her keep going until they sober-up for good or die. You can't force someone to stay clean and sober.

Did my other cousin turn his life around after he lost everything and served his time. YES!

The moral is that dealers are the problem. If you take care of them there will be noone buying.

But what do I know, I'm just speaking from personl observation and experience, and everyone has different experiences.

BTW, speaking of addiction, I quit smoking Jan 27th 2002. I was only able to do so because I wanted to, not because society or anyone else wanted me to.

derek
01-05-2003, 06:50 PM
so what do you all who dont think this tactic is right propose we do to help fight the war on drugs, and yes it IS a war. I'm very interested in seeing what you think law enforcement should do to slow the drug flow?

though i have never used them, as an advocate of individual rights and freedom i think all drugs should be legal. but with that said, i don't think our government is really serious about stopping the flow of illegal drugs into our country. it's been called a war, but if so, we're losing badly after shooting ourself in the foot.

so what would i do?

1. invade and occupy countries like columbia and mexico, who's governments allow the production and transportation of narcotics to flourish.

2. treat foreign and domestic drug lords as terrorists and hit them with military strikes via laser guided bombs or sniper assasinations, as seen in the harrison ford film "Clear and Present Danger".

3. build a fence from the texas gulf coast to the pacific ocean and staff it with military personell, as it has been documented that the mexican army has, numerous times, escorted drug runners across the mexican/U.S. border, even shooting at border patrol officers. these soldiers would have shoot to kill orders at anyone crossing illegally, via the air or the ground.

4. execute all dealers, regardless of the amount sold, after a speedy military trial at the cuban guantanimo bay military base.

until these things are done, i would hesitate to call our current "war on drugs" a war. if the "war on terriorism" is conducted like our failed "war on drugs", we're in trouble.

or, we could legalize drugs. i don't seem to recall the last gang war fought over cigaretts or alcohol.

Turbowars
01-05-2003, 09:12 PM
AMEN DEREK!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Kill them ALL!!!! Well said. If the US really wanted to stop drugs from coming in they could.

CloneTrooperMace
01-05-2003, 09:41 PM
I watch that Cops!! BAD BOYS BAD BOYS WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO WHEN THEY COME FOR YOU. :D ............

Fulit
01-05-2003, 09:53 PM
I think the word "drugs" is bandied about a bit too loosely here. I would not support execution of "drug" dealers, nor would I support property confiscation or entrapment of "drug" users. That term is way too broad. Heroin, cocaine, ecstasy, that is one thing, but I think marijuana should be excluded, since no one has ever "O.D.'ed" on it. The argument could be made that inncocent bystanders are shot over marijuana deals, and this may happen, but if it were legalized and government-regulated, like ALCOHOL, which is legally and socially acceptable, (despite killing far more people each year), there would be no need for dealer wars over marijuana. I don't want to come off as some dopehead "legalize it" hippie here, but I definitely think a decriminialization towards cannabis would free up law enforcement to tackle the serious drugs that people can overdose from. Far too much money is spent on a jack-booted, war-like approach, and far too little money is spent on education and treatment.

All I'm saying is, don't lump everything into one giant category. And it is ridiculous to declare war on something that can't fight back, like a drug. The WAR should be against people who misuse dangerous drugs for their own financial gain, not the drugs themselves, that is stupid. How can you wage a war against a plant that's been growing naturally on the earth for millennia?
The WAR should also be against ignorance of the effects of dangerous drugs.

Jedi Master Silas
01-06-2003, 03:45 PM
Drugs are illegal...people who chose to use them or or have them know the law. I think drugs are commonly accepted in our society that everyone forgets they are illegal...you have them you pay the price. I just dont have sympathy for anyone who uses becasue they can stop...they know the price they will pay if caught. THEY make the choice to use and risk their worldly items. Those are good ideas Derek but who will fund that? How can we justify invading Mexcico and Columbia? I agree with you but how would do that? The idea of the wall is great...would the US budget the cost of manning it 24-7? I like the shoot to kill idea...make sure the people know that if you try to cross your getting shot. But see that makes me think of the issue at hand...let the people know if they use drugs they will loose their car, house etc. I still support the idea. What about the drugs that are brought in by sea or air?

Sith killer. Recreational use is STILL illegal. It doesnt matter if you some junkie or rich its still illegal. Someone who is wealthy should be smart enough to know that if he gets caught there goes his house or car.
Yes dealers are a problem but if people wouldnt buy there would be no dealers.
Your said your cousin went away for years for DEALING pot . So he was a dealer. He lost his car and house...I think thats justice.
You said DEALERS should be punished..and your cousin was.
EVERYONE has a choice...you play you pay.

Thats a shame about your cousin that passed away..I'm sorry to hear that SK.

I have these opinions from live experiences and being in the middle of the drug problem. I'm very passionate about the subject....so sorry if anyone is offended with my opinions.

sith_killer_99
01-06-2003, 06:21 PM
Let's look at this from a different angel.

What is more productive for the war on drugs.

Spending numerous manhours setting up a sting that brings down a dealer and gets real drugs off of the street.

or

Setting up a sting operation to bust buyers and seize their property, meanwhile real drug dealers a putting junk out on the street.

Does anyone see the hypocrisy here?

Busting buyers simply does not get drugs off the street.

derek
01-06-2003, 06:23 PM
Those are good ideas Derek but who will fund that

there is plenty of wasted money in our government that could easily fund these things. if we stop paying off countries like palestine, isreal, north korea........(the list goes on and on) we could easily fund this.


How can we justify invading Mexcico and Columbia? I agree with you but how would do that?

if the "war on drugs" is a real war, then these countires who support the drug trade are our enemies. if i were president, i'd tell these countries you have one year to crack down on drug lords. by cracking down , i mean totally putting them out of business. if the mexcian or columbian(or any other country involved in the drug trade) can't do this, or refuse, we flat out tell them they will abide by this, or we'll do it for them. just like we've told sadam, disarm, or we'll disarm you.


The idea of the wall is great...would the US budget the cost of manning it 24-7?

the U.S military would assume this cost. i'd man it with troops currently stationed in south korea, germany, japan and any other foreign country where they shouldn't be.

Turbowars
01-06-2003, 06:34 PM
Are you running for office derek? ;) You have my vote!

plasticfetish
01-06-2003, 07:38 PM
Originally posted by derek
the U.S military would assume this cost. i'd man it with troops currently stationed in south korea, germany, japan and any other foreign country where they shouldn't be.

Super idea! We can draft everyone between the ages of 18 and 32 to fight this war ... that would keep them off the streets where those drugs are lurking and get them into the jungles where they can do some good for our country of poorly educated, drug dependent neurotics.
(mmm ... did I say that out loud?)
And since we're paying for this with our magical bag of money that never empties ... why don't we send our army of miracle workers and law bringers all over the globe to clean things up for the good old US? (OK fine, Canada can help too if they want ... though the CIA (http://www.odci.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ca.html#Issues) makes it look like they may be next on our list.) Once we've tidied up everything south of the border (and that should take, what ... a few weeks?) we'll move over to Asia and put their silly little drug thing out of business.

Gosh ... let's get cracking ... oh, I forgot it was all a baaaaaaaad dream.

sith_killer_99
01-06-2003, 08:00 PM
I support the idea of the U.S. Military on the boarders, I do not support the idea of us going over there to "take out the bad guys".

This seems too much like the "Big Bad United States" trying to impose their own beliefs and values on another culture. That is wrong. Lord knows we are having a hard enough time getting support for legitimate reasons. Bush is already being called a war monger by some, a very sad state of affairs.

Our government makes laws to govern our own country. They have no right to go to someone elses country and tell them how to live.

I say that this is a line we must draw. Protect our own boarders.

Saddam, Osama and N. Korea are very different and complex issues. Issues in which Americans have lost their lives.

As to any idea of the US pulling out of S.Korea, I say he** no, lest we have another uncontrollable Middle East crisis on our hands. The Korean penninsula is a key and vital point to maintaining the delicate balance of peace in that region.

Fulit
01-06-2003, 08:33 PM
There have always been people that use certain plants for recreation or whatever, and there always will be. Pass whatever silly laws you want, there will always be a demand for it. It is simply not reasonable to think that there will be a day when no single person on Earth wants to consume something someone else thinks he shouldn't.

So drugs are illegal. Who made them that way? In the 1930's the United States made marijuana illegal because of a successful lobby and propaganda campaign against the cannabis crop. The reason? The hemp from the cannabis crop is a natural and strong fiber and was the synthetic nylon-producing DuPont's biggest rival. A successful propaganda campaign was launched, whereby it was falsely stated that people, especially the black community, were freaking out on pot and raping and killing. So you see, Jedi Master Silas, the roots of this particular drugs illegal status are steeped in greed and racism. Can you call that just?

Every bit of this is historical fact, you can look it up. Just because something is illegal doesn't always make it so evil. Alcohol was once illegal, remember? You couldn't imagine America parting with its liquor now, could you?

Cocaine was made illegal for similar reason relating to a propaganda scare about "coked up Negroes" assaulting white women. Before this, it was sold in the corner pharmacy along with codeine and other narcotics which are highly addictive and controlled for obvious reasons.

Don't lump all drugs into one word category, "drugs". There are many differences. And I wouldn't trust that the government always does the right thing concerning it. I used to know people that got seriously messed up drinking overdoses of over-the-counter cough syrup, and it's certainly not illegal. Now they have destroyed livers.
:dead:

derek
01-06-2003, 08:39 PM
Originally posted by plasticfetish
Super idea! We can draft everyone between the ages of 18 and 32 to fight this war ... that would keep them off the streets where those drugs are lurking and get them into the jungles where they can do some good for our country of poorly educated, drug dependent neurotics.
(mmm ... did I say that out loud?)
And since we're paying for this with our magical bag of money that never empties ... why don't we send our army of miracle workers and law bringers all over the globe to clean things up for the good old US? (OK fine, Canada can help too if they want ... though the CIA (http://www.odci.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ca.html#Issues) makes it look like they may be next on our list.) Once we've tidied up everything south of the border (and that should take, what ... a few weeks?) we'll move over to Asia and put their silly little drug thing out of business.

Gosh ... let's get cracking ... oh, I forgot it was all a baaaaaaaad dream.

i appreciate your scarcism, but remember, i'm for the legalization of narcotics, i'm simply replying to JMS regarding what a true "war on drugs" should be. our current "war on drugs" is a feel good policy about as effective as applying a band-aid on a massive gunshot wound.

Jedi Master Silas
01-06-2003, 10:26 PM
Originally posted by sith_killer_99
I support the idea of the U.S. Military on the boarders, I do not support the idea of us going over there to "take out the bad guys".

This seems too much like the "Big Bad United States" trying to impose their own beliefs and values on another culture. That is wrong. Lord knows we are having a hard enough time getting support for legitimate reasons. Bush is already being called a war monger by some, a very sad state of affairs.

I totally agree with you Sith Killer.
I agree that we disagree and about the the seizure of homes, cars etc.......I dont think I would change my mind at all but I respect your opinion.

I think putting our soldiers on the borders is great idea. It would lower the amount of drugs that come into the country and it would keep more people from entering our country illegally.

Derek which narcotics do you want legalized???? And why?

derek
01-07-2003, 03:08 PM
Derek which narcotics do you want legalized???? And why?

i am a student of a philosophy called "Objectivism". www.aynrand.org this philosophy is one of freedom and individual rights. as an advocate of freedom and personal responsibility , i don't believe any narcotics should be illegal, as i believe the purpose of a proper government is to protect us from criminals who initiate force against it's civilians, not to protect us from ourself and our poor decisions.

so to answer your question, all of them. but i would have no problem with restricting the sale of these products to minors, and i am in favor of severe punishment for public intoxication and the death penalty for any narcotic based DWI where an injury is involved.

while i do think drugs should be legal, i don't in any way advocate their use, for the same reasons i don't use alcohol or tobacco. they are all harmful and irratonal, and impair one's ability to think and act as a rational individual.

Jedi Master Silas
01-07-2003, 09:20 PM
Are you kidding????? Thats the craziest thing I've ever heard if I'm understanding you correctly. So your including morphine,codeine,valium,haldol,hydrocodone,propoxy phene, and what about the ever popular killer oxycodone. If thats the case , no disrespect Derek, thats one of the most F'd up things I've ever heard.

derek
01-07-2003, 10:54 PM
If thats the case , no disrespect Derek, thats one of the most F'd up things I've ever heard.

sometimes freedom is a hard pill to swallow, so to speak.

QLD
01-07-2003, 10:56 PM
what do we do about the kids who sell drugs to the police officers? :eek:

Turbowars
01-07-2003, 10:57 PM
Does anyone know who Strike was?

Jedi Master Silas
01-07-2003, 10:58 PM
Strike what?

Jedi Master Silas
01-07-2003, 10:59 PM
Oops..I tryed to delete this sorry...

Turbowars
01-07-2003, 11:12 PM
Strike manufactured Ecstacy and was busted. While he was in jail he wrote 3 books on how to produce Ecstasy. The proceeds went to his two sisters college fund. Strike said he knew his sisters education could not be taken away as a million dollar home or $$ sport cars could be. There's more to the story, but sometimes drugs pay. LOL J/K

jjreason
01-07-2003, 11:51 PM
I don't agree with fabricating evidence to force something into illegality (the story about the coked up negroes is on my mind here) but when you've had to wrestle a 135 pound guy with all your watchmates and he's already tried to throw knives at you, AND you know he's half decent when not on the rock, you just HAVE to see that cocaine is evil. The effects it has on mind and body are devastating, the cycle of abuse leads people to the deepest and darkest pits of desparation. These people are extremely dangerous, and will do anything (Im not being loose with that either) for cash. People deal in other people over cocaine debts. As a police constable I can tell you if I had the choice, Id drive 2hrs to stop one ounce of coke coming into town before walking down the block to "seize" a pound of pot. You need to consider how the rats act when they're under the effects, and coke is the worst.

Jedi Master Silas
01-08-2003, 03:51 PM
*Shacking my head at Turbowars*:sur:

Turbowars
01-08-2003, 05:55 PM
Originally posted by Jedi Master Silas
*Shacking my head at Turbowars*:sur: Hey, I didn't make it up. It was on Nightline or MSNBC. It's a true story and now the guy is back in jail where he belongs. I was joking about it paying.

Jedi Master Silas
01-09-2003, 12:49 AM
I know Turbowars;)

webhed
12-09-2007, 07:14 AM
I have to support the procedure 100%. None of you are in the law inforcement world are you? I worked on a K-9 unit 5 years and let me say this...DRUGS KILL! HELLO! Drugs are evil they destroy neighborhoods, lives, KILL CHILDREN! Come on now...I rank the devastation of drugs to the acts of terrorists. Anyone can have an opinion so what do you all who dont think this tactic is right propose we do to help fight the war on drugs, and yes it IS a war. I'm very interested in seeing what you think law enforcement should do to slow the drug flow?

Yes, alcohol kills... cigarettes kill... and more people die from prescription drugs than all illegal drugs combined!

MARIJUANA DOES NOT KILL, SO WHY IS IT ILLEGAL???

WHAT SHOULD THE PILICE DO? FIRST, STOP SELLING DRUGS AND TAKING BRIBES!

THE GOVERNMENT BROUGHT HEROIN AND COCAINE INTO OUR COUNTRY, TO PROFIT FROM IT TO PAY FOR WARS. IN 1970 THERE WERE 300,000 ADDICTS IN THE US... NOW THERE ARE OVER 4 MILLION!

ON YOUTUBE LOOKUP: In Search of the American Drug Lords - The CIA and The Mob

DRUGS ARE EVIL? MARIJUANA IS EVIL??? ALCOHOL IS ANGELIC???

The Fremont Police Sell Drugs!

I have been given and sold marijuana while driving a taxi in fremont, later to find out it was the police… I realized this after they tried to buy weed back from me later.

They even offered me meth for free, saying they found it on the ground at bart.

I never sold weed to them, nor accepted the meth.

Fremont, California Police are corrupt!

Slicker
12-09-2007, 07:10 PM
Are you retarded? Maybe you smoked too much...

plasticfetish
12-10-2007, 12:30 AM
Oddly enough, though I'm tempted to assume that this will go badly very soon, webhed is sort of on topic, so...

Tycho
12-11-2007, 02:42 PM
If the police are selling drugs, you might want to buy some.

You see, with LSD or PCP, you only get 3 letters. And I think there's what? TCH or something in marajuana?

With the LAPD or SDPD you can get 4 letters, plus a courtdate, handcuffs, and even a jail sentence. It's a much better bargain if you ask me. Plus you may get to go for a ride in one of those cool black and white cars with the shinning lights on top.

Get a bargain. Buy drugs from cops.