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White-Bread
11-07-2001, 10:10 AM
Hey everyone... this is actually my first time here. I kept wanting to come here and read what you all have to say but it just kept slipping my mind. Anywho...

My co-workers and I were having a discussion about the Phantom Menace the other day and we seemed to have some varying opinions about it. I personally thought it was good, but it could have been better. I don't really know how it could have been better... outside of eliminating Jake Lloyd and Jar-Jar. But my main thought was... it seemed like Lucas was trying to appeal to the younger generation as opposed to those who "actually" grew up with Star Wars Trilogy. This made no sense to me at all. What Lucas doesn't realize is that the following he got with IV, V and VI are a little older now. Sure kids today know about Star Wars and have probably seen all of them over and over again. But I don't think they can appreciate it they way we do. Maybe I am just rambling on about nothing... but does anyone feel he tried to please the wrong crowd?

To finish... I will cite an example from the film. --- The scene where Anakin is fine-tuning his Podracer... he has all of his friends come running around him. (Poor acting here by the way)
And in this scene Jar Jar gets his tongue stuck in the binders. The thing that sticks out most in my mind is the children laughing in the theater.

Let me know what you think.

JEDIpartner
11-07-2001, 11:16 AM
My overall thoughts on the film...

It was a very entertaining opening chapter to a marvelous saga. I am sad that it was surrounded by so much hype that people were disappointed. I believe that, had this been any other film, such things that had disappointed people would have been overlooked. No, it isn't the finest jewel in the crown, but I will gladly take this over most of the other dreck that has come out over the 16 years that passed between ROTJ and TPM.

bigbarada
11-07-2001, 01:15 PM
I agree with JediPartner, just because this film was labeled Star Wars it was held to a level of scrutiny that no movie should be. GL is mostly concerned about telling a cohensive story, he could care less about appeasing the fans. Which if EU is any indication, 'appeassing the fans' is a very bad idea.

El Chuxter
11-07-2001, 02:26 PM
Worst Star Wars movie yet! However, it's still in my all-time top ten.

I don't think Jar Jar needed to be eliminated, but he should've been toned down or used less often. C-3PO is a much funnier character, but he's in only one funny scene here.

master jedi
11-07-2001, 02:56 PM
I think it's one of the greatest movies of all time. I think Lucas should have spent more time with the actors though.

The 'Xir
11-07-2001, 05:16 PM
I also think It was a great addition to the SW Saga, and now that I've been able to soak it in, personally I can't tell you that one SW film is better than the other! Because I've always looked at it as one big story, and each part has equally valuable qualites that lend to the overall greatness of the saga! As well as each part/movie having it's lesser qualities too, but still lend to the overall greatness of the saga!
As far as addressing the younger crowd, I urge you to wait for the other movies to come out! Because if you think about it ANH was more of the kids movie, and then ESB was more for adults and then ROTJ blended both!
Nowadays I think people forget that, and revere the original trilogy as a whole, but then haven't been able to see TPM as a part of that whole, so they judge it as a stand alone against the original trilogy! And alot of the bad feelings or dislike of TPM is born out of that! Go figure!
Peace and MTFBWY...Always! The 'Xir :)

ki-adi mundi's bro
11-07-2001, 05:19 PM
welcome here, white-bread! youll have fun here!

i agree with mater jedi. he hardley talked to the actors unless it was important...

Eternal Padawan
11-07-2001, 08:23 PM
I liked El Chuxter's impression of the Comic Guy on Simpsons:D

"Worst Star Wars movie. Ever."


So, when saddled with the choice of Phantom Menace or Battle Beyond the Stars. I'd go with the former.:p

master jedi
11-07-2001, 10:33 PM
When you say it was 'the worst star wars movie ever' do you mean that you thought the others suck too? It sounds like it to me.

Dferguson
11-07-2001, 11:52 PM
I thought it was a great movie
really enjoyed it . I liked the hype since this was my first SW movie excluding the SE's in my lifetime i wasnt born during ANH was out but I really like jar jar didnt bug me at all
and this really bugs me about people dissing Jake Llloyd I think he was only 8 or 9 when the movie was filmed. I would like to see any other 8 or 9 year old act when at that age better than Jake

JediTricks
11-08-2001, 04:09 AM
Welcome aboard Whitey. :D

As for myself, I didn't love Ep 1 as a Star Wars movie, nor did I love it as a movie by itself. I don't much like it, there are elements I like, but there's just so much slop around it that the movie suffers greatly. I totally agree with you about Lucas pandering to the kiddies here, as if he's done with the current generation of SW fans and needs to get the next generation of kids hooked.


You guys, how does the hype have anything to do with the movie? Really? And if you are fans, how do you know the hype affected the general public?

White-Bread
11-08-2001, 08:49 AM
I couldn't agree with you more... I don't really think the hype had anything to do with my opinion of the movie. Was it talked about too much before it's release?... maybe, maybe not.

In a reply to the comment about Jake Lloyd, and trust me this is just a shot in the dark... but I have seen a number of kids who have had a better ability to act. Of course, only one comes to my mind right now... Haley Joel Osment. I have only seen one movie with him in it (The Sixth Sense) and he was unreal. His acting ability FAR exceeds that of lil' Anakin. Of course... this is my opinion and everyone is entitled to what they think.

But on the basis of my original post let me bring up this. Think back to when we are first introduced to Boss Nass in TPM. (This relates to another post I read about Who's your favorite Gungan?) The part that sticks out in my mind about him is his weird dialect. AND the fact that he does that thing where he shakes his head and makes that absurd noise. But anyway... I liked him as a character... though I don't think he needed all the nonsense.

I can't remember offhand but I am almost positive there are no languages other than English used in TPM (please correct me if I'm wrong). Look at ANH and ROTJ. We, the audience, were exposed to GL's idea of alien communication. In ANH we had Greedo talking in some jibberish to Han Solo. And then in ROTJ we listened to Jabba the Hutt speaking in another foreign dialect. I think this was intentionally avoided in TPM because subtitles can take a person's attention away from what's happening on screen. When these different languages are removed I feel that a certain level of originality and creativity are removed as well. I thought it was amazing in Ep. IV, V and VI that Lucas came up with these different forms of communication and exposed us to them.

( I just remembered... Sebulba spoke in another language... there goes that theory.. but please refresh my memory of any more!!!)

El Chuxter
11-08-2001, 10:42 AM
Sebulba, Wald, and either Fode or Beed (anyone able to distinguish those two?) speak Huttese (the same language spoken by Greedo and in Jabba's palace).

Ody Mandrell speaks Spanish. Why, I don't know.

I believe some of the background Gungans speak a non-Basic language.

And if you wanna get really geeky, Artoo and the Pit Droids speak two different droid languages, and the Wookiee senators speak Shirywook. :)

stillakid
11-09-2001, 02:07 AM
TPM was a poor work of filmmaking on it's own and as a part of the greater whole. Lot's of plot holes in and of itself and in conjunction with the other three films.

The acting was poor on the whole. I was particularly disappointed in the terrible acting from Jake Lloyd, Sam Jackson, and Liam Neeson. Just dreadful. Liam looked like he was bored senseless most of the time and Sam had no idea how to act in front of a bluescreen.

For excellent quality kid acting, check out the performances given by a growing up Eric Lloyd, seen in several films but most notably in Heart and Souls. Once you've seen just how well a kid can act, you'll see just how terrible Jake did.

While the CG is getting better, in most cases it is still easy to pick out who is wearing a rubber mask and which characters weren't really there. The differences are too jarring to allow total immersion into the story. The hardware, like spaceships, look great, but organic entities don't cut it yet.

The dialogue was utilitarian and lacked that clever familiarity that we all were fond of hearing in the original trilogy. Everybody knew a Han Solo type guy from high school, etc. There was nobody in TPM to relate to.

The adult oriented A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back really hit home across the generations, but the kid centered ROTJ started rubbing people the wrong way. TPM went way way way over the line to try to please the kiddies with the toilet humor and the banal and simplistic plot devices and dialogue.

There were a few redeeming qualities, like the overall production design and the music, but overall just not the kind of Star Wars film everyone on the planet was hoping to see.