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Beast
02-05-2003, 06:59 PM
Originally it looked like there was going to be 2 Imperial Officer variants and only 1 Rebel Fleet Trooper one. The Saga RFT was re-released with a new sculpt with reddish-blond hair and sideburns. But a new black haired version has turned up. He doesn't have any sideburns like the previous two versions. Also the chin strap runs right alongside the ears. So now that gives us 3 heads for each. 1 from the POTJ line, and 2 from Saga. :)

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

LTBasker
02-05-2003, 07:01 PM
Freaky, I remember Hasbro saying during POTJ that they changed the three head planned to two, I guess since they didn't reissue the POTJ versions on Saga card then they considered that a 'start-over.'

Jargo
02-05-2003, 07:32 PM
Well it took me a couple of minutes to figure out what I was supposed to be looking at in that fuzzy pic. The back of the trooper in question. So he has a different hair color but does he have a different face? Hope some opens one and posts a pic so we can see what it looks like without having to squint to make it out. :p If we are getting a third variant is it going to be a 50/50 split like the endor rebel or just random mixes? Are online retailers going to be aware of all the changes and watch out for them. A lot of places sold the endor rebel as bearded and clean shaven but these look terribly similar in the blister so how they gonna differentiate? Black hair / red hair, pin head / chisel jaw?
I'm just intrigued and a little panicky that I'll never find all of the variants if they aren't sold as such. Out of all the figures this year these variants are top of my list under Bail Organa. you can have all the Jedi you want but I simply must have the rebel fleet trooper variants and the Imperial officer variants. I hate when stuff like this happens and it's a vague thing, a possible maybe that they'll turn up globally.

Need to calm down, it's just a toy, not important Jargo, just a toy, think of a happy place think of a happy place........... :crazed:

mtriv73
02-05-2003, 07:39 PM
I picked up the red haired rebel fleet trooper on a saga card the other day. I hope this one makes it to Maryland soon. I need more fodder for my stormies to mow down. I also got the new Imperial officer and I swear I can't tell much if any difference from the POTJ version.

Beast
02-05-2003, 07:40 PM
Well, he supposedly has a different face. I'm keeping my eye out on Scum and GH for someone to post decent pictures. But the two people that have both mentioned a pointer nose on the reddish-blond haired one. And the lack of sideburns and the chinstrap next to the ears on the black haired one. Hopefully we'll have better pictures soon. :)

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

Jargo
02-05-2003, 08:03 PM
I think this ties in with my post in the sandcrawler thread about hasbro's marketing strategy. What sense is there in just allowing people to discover these things by accident when any serious company would have had a prepared press release concerning it?
Not only do hasbro not say there's going to be a third head variant but neither do they say how it'll be shipped or in what quantities or at which time. We're just supposed to know this stuff by telepathy are we? I just don't get it. Not that I'm complaing about variety in the ranks in any way. I just think it's odd that here's this huge company making millions of dollars and they can't even afford to send a single sheet of photocopied statement or an e-mail to all the major news sites. Or indeed update their own website with the happy news in a timely and informative fashion. Basically I rest my case here and now.
Lovely that there's a choice in the figures but lousy that we have to rely on someones chance find to get to know about it.

Beast
02-05-2003, 08:10 PM
It's not just Hasbro, Jargo. All the toy companies are like this. Mattel being the worst of the lot. They do shortpacked chase figures, and paint variations that they don't announce. And when their found, they don't confirm they are a running change or a chase figure. A lot of people are considering not collection their Masters of the Universe line anymore, due to all the damn variants. I'm one of them, even Hasbro isn't that arrogent and greedy. :)

But really, with the toy magazines and the internet Hasbro really doesn't have to issue a press release. The story will be picked up by the major sites, the magazines will carry it. So it's free advertising for them. Sure, it would be nice if someone would come out and say what and where and when. But most of the time, they seem to let the sites handle their stuff. Atleast Hasbro has gotten better with using their site to showcase new products. Beating out the collector's websites on pictures. :)

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

Beast
02-05-2003, 10:19 PM
Here we go, Rebelscum actually got together a comparison picture of the POTJ Brown haired, Saga Reddish-Blonde, and Saga Black haired versions. Definate different sculpt on all three versions. :)

And Then There Were Three
Mark: Previously unknown, a third version of Hasbro's Rebel Trooper re-pack has surfaced in the latest cases coming out of Hong Kong. Though difficult to notice off hand, the figure joins its re-pack partner, the Imperial Officer, with an all new second head sculpt. The good news is, unlike the Imperial Officer, both heads appear to be shipping now. While investigating cases of the Padme Droid Factory Chase, and Barriss Offee waves, I stumbled across the second version by mistake. According the copies I could find, the Trooper with reddish hair and sideburns (center) has a date stamp of 23181, while the black haired trooper without sideburns (right) is stamped 30061. Shown side by side with the origianl Power of the Jedi version (left), it's clear to see all three figures offer a different head sculpt, though the bodies are identical. With new figure cases heading to U.S. shores, toy fans seeking to add both versions to their collections will want to keep a eye out for each.
MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

Beast
02-05-2003, 10:22 PM
Here's a picture from the back, so that you can see the hair color easier. So it looks like it's going to be a pain to get one of each of these. Oh well, I'm sure that they will continue to ship for a while. :)

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

Jargo
02-05-2003, 10:36 PM
I remember with Episode one figures Action figure digest had a schedule of stuff being released and I used that to roughly base my hunting on. It was before i had an internet connection so it was all i had to go on. But it allowed me to keep up with the releases. These days there are so many erroneous listings floating round it's so difficult to keep track of what's in and what's out of the current 'schedule' like the sandcrawler for example. Surely hasbro could at least offer some sort of tentative schedule on their site. So at least kids using the net for 'homework' could whizz in and see what's due out and save up for it.
I'm not really expecting hasbro to issue a press statement just to put something more concrete up, quarter by quarter tentative schedules with alterations as and when they get made within the company. So you get a really good 'at a glance' chart. So you can look at the month of June say, and see that there's six figures, two deluxe and three vehicles coming out and pretty much be certain that it's fact even though there's a subject to change disclaimer. I'd feel happier hearing it from Hasbro themselves than getting third or fourth hand listings from specialist retailers. I only found out that the third wave of star tours and cantina sets were on hold from John at R2DTOYS. Hasbro hasn't officially said that. But they send word through the distributors fast enough, why can't they pass that on directly to the consumer? Don't we deserve to be kept in the loop?

On the subject of pictures, I agree that they've closed the lid on many leaks but they still don't show enough pics. They only ever post one pic of each figure, no rear shots or figures in a couple of different poses to show where the articulation is. No close ups of accessories. That's what i'm saying about adding some real content to their site and really get us going if we can see the products more clearly. Or if they acknowledge that the pic shows a figure at the halfway point and changes are still going to be made in color or something. Or if they're going to add in some other piece. Maybe even a word from the guys who sculpted the figures explaining why they took a certain approach to the sculpt. Just more to engage us.

No, I'll stop here because it's late again and I'll go off on one and regret it in the morning. I just think they don't do enough when they can. When it's so simple. Do they even watermark their pics? I could just go on forever here banging my head against this particular wall. Going to bed instead. g'night everybody...... :p

Jerjerrod
02-06-2003, 12:13 AM
Well, I can think of a couple of possibilites. One, is that Hasbro purposely did not announce this so that collectors can find out on their own, and interpret it as a great find, or great news. Just like JJB discovered, but they probably didn't think that we'd be angry.

Two, now this is only an assumption, that some of the factory workers decided to stand up for their people, and make a Chinese Rebel Trooper! :D :p If this is true, there's no way Hasbro could've known. :D

Power to the people!! :p j/k

But on a serious note, I think it's great that we have another head variant. Now I can buy one of each and think of them as unique troops instead of a bunch of identical clones. :)

bobafrett
02-06-2003, 01:56 AM
I like the picture of the three rebel troopers laying face down, execution style. Now you just need a stormtrooper standing over them with a blaster pointed at their rebel skulls! :D

Seriously though, I never really thought it made much difference. Remeber the different versions they had of the EPI battle droids? I wasn't going to spend money buying all the different variants of that. Rebel troopers might be a little different though.

Kidhuman
02-06-2003, 09:49 AM
Coll. I havent seen any of the Saga versions as of yet buit will be on the look out for them. Thanks JJB

Jargo
02-06-2003, 11:28 AM
Please don't think I'm moaning about the variants because I'm actually very happy there's a third version. I'm just perplexed at the working practices of Hasbro.
The third variant looks decent. At first I thought he looked exactly like the red haired one but the eyes are slightly different, not the paint jonb but the sculpt. Red hair has bags under his ayes and the black haired one doesn't but is different to the original sculpt. Definatelyt three different heads, just not massively different. There's also very subtle sculpt differences in the noses and cheeks.
I'll occupy my hunting time looking for these variants instead of wasting time on silly gimmicked Jedi.

Jayspawn
02-06-2003, 11:55 AM
The more head sculpts the better. Now thats army building! Thanks Hasbro!

bobafett07728
02-06-2003, 12:43 PM
Are all three of these available on Saga cards, or just the two new sculpts?

evenflow
02-06-2003, 03:05 PM
Damn, i could find the first variation, now i have to find the second one.

Beast
02-06-2003, 05:35 PM
Originally posted by bobafett07728
Are all three of these available on Saga cards, or just the two new sculpts?
The brown haired one, is the POTJ figure. It hasn't been re-issued in the Saga line. The reddish-blonde and black haired ones, are the new Saga versions. :)

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

LTBasker
02-06-2003, 05:46 PM
If you need more of the POTJ Rebel Trooper it is the one being used for the Rebel Trooper 4-pack coming out.

Beast
02-06-2003, 10:08 PM
Here's a nice side by side profile shot of the three RFT's. The facial sculpting differences are a lot more obvious from the side. Especially #2's lack of sideburns. Boba Binks posted this in Scum's forums. :)

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

Jargo
02-06-2003, 10:20 PM
~2 has a straighter longer nose and larger ears, though the chins are pretty much the same. #2 has a more pursed lips look to him while #1 looks more relaxed. But to all intents and purposes without looking reallyhard they don't appear to be any different on the face of it. In a group they'll all just look the same so the exercise is pretty fruitless relly. If they'd changed the arm poses then maybe it might have seemed more worthwhile. The legs are cool but that two handed pose is a killer for trying to get real variation. I'll buy them though, enough that my armies don't look silly and puny but not so many that I end up without room for anything else.. everything in moderation as they say. :)

bobafett07728
02-07-2003, 11:41 PM
That's what I thought Jar Jar, but I am glad you were able to confirm. Thanks.

mark2d2
02-08-2003, 06:06 AM
Cool. Different heads is a great idea.

By the way --- am I the only person who loves the knees on this guy?! I was totally hoping for more figs like this --- great articulation --- but no "ugly" joints. I totally thought back in the day that this leg joint was "the" new thing. Anybody know what happened?

TheDarthVader
02-08-2003, 02:32 PM
I like the knee joints also. I wish more figures had them! (C-3PO)

Jargo
02-08-2003, 05:22 PM
But if Threepio had these kind of knees his legs would end up backwards. :) agreed that a Threepio with knees is a must though. ;)

Beast
02-08-2003, 05:28 PM
Hopefully we'll finally get that C-3PO with knees in the Target Accessory set with Throne that is coming. Diorama builders will probably be snagging them up like crazy though. Since a C-3PO that can sit is so long overdue. Hopefully they'll use the TC-14 body as a base, I hate those spread legged C-3PO's. :)

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

Jargo
02-08-2003, 05:41 PM
Just so long as they use another head b'cuz that TC-14 head has a really horrible back to it. The crown thing is really harshly sculpted and sort of flat. Not to mention the face is a bit 'off'. Looks surprised. Or shocked.
Gripping hands is a must. The hands from Deluxe threepio droid factory are pretty good, cast those in hard plastic and vac metalise the whole thing in glorious shiny gold and with knees that work and a turning waist and man I'd be in Threepio heaven!! :p

Turbowars
02-09-2003, 11:56 AM
C-3PO doesn't need knees like the trooper, because he has a joint that wouldn't matter if it was ugly.

OzOtter
02-09-2003, 12:26 PM
How hard are these to come by? I just read about them today. I don't remember seeing Rebel Troopers in town yesterday.

TheDarthVader
04-15-2003, 10:32 PM
I know that, once again, I have dug up on old post, but could someone post a comparison picture of the imperial officer head sculpts. I would appreciate it greatly! Thanks! :)