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Beast
02-17-2003, 02:21 AM
Just wanted to head off any argument that might start on these forums regarding the Snowtrooper we are getting. Rebelscum's forums have been hot with complaints about him. So after finding info, I wanted to make sure it was seen. Sorry for the new thread, but it does address a seperate issue then just the figures being up and praise/complaints about them.

As many of you know, back when we were discussing what we hoped we would be seeing I mentioned the chance that it could be the SnowTrooper: Infanty Officer that appears in the head of the AT-AT. That is the one that we're getting, but I noticed on other forums that people were complaining about his holster and lack of beltpouches on his belt. Well, someone over in GH's forums attached a bigger picture of the Infantry Officer.

The picture appears to be from that big Star Wars Chronicles book that came out a few years ago. The picture clearly shows other differences, beyond the better made mask and insignia. That this version of the SnowTrooper doesn't have belt pounces and has a holster. Which means there is a good chance that he could also not be wearing the kneepads and boots seen on the basic Troopers. Which makes this new SnowTrooper, highly movie accurate. :)

SnowTrooper: Infantry Officer Decipher Card (http://www.sirstevesguide.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=221748)

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

LTBasker
02-17-2003, 04:36 AM
We've got three infantry versions: vintage, POTF2 and Deluxe, while they're not too recent, the Officer doesn't change significantly enough to be unacceptable, it's not like the pouches and such would be useful.

Overall, the figure is gimmickless and neutral, for that I'm very thankful. This year is the year of the officers. Snowtrooper, Imperial Officers, Captain Antilles, General Dodonna....

kdp100
02-17-2003, 07:52 AM
And there was the Millennium Minted Coin Snowtrooper, too - slightly different from the POTF2 & Deluxe versions.

Jargo
02-17-2003, 08:57 AM
Quite frankly I don't really care. After so many gimmicked figures this a real breath of fresh air to me. I really don't care if I end up with an army of officers, I'm grabbing this figure in the bucketload. It's acurate to the movie, the right height and it's a great figure, and he comes with a splendid accessory with the action feature where it should be. The mask on this new version looks somewhere between the hard mask of the officer and the soft cloth one of the grunts. It could be used for either. There's a possibility at some point in the future that hasbro could tweak this and add the pouches, remove the insignia and shove it out again to really build the army. Just a minor tweak and there's two figures from one. Great. I'm all for that. Just give us a matching general Veers. ;)

coy5
02-17-2003, 09:12 AM
I've thought that the new snowtrooper looked good from the get-go and now that jarjarbinks has shown us this comparison(from the thigh up) I think this figure is a bad mo fo. Emperor Jargo, Rock ON, give us veers with removable armor.

Kidhuman
02-17-2003, 11:08 AM
That is a good looking figure. I love it. I always like the snowtrooper better than the regular stormtrooper. They look better and all. Bring it on. I usually only buy one of each, but him......I will go with EJ....bucketload.

Beast
02-17-2003, 12:22 PM
I know, I love the figure also. I just saw the complaining and arguing over the lack of belt pouches, kneepads, and basic trooper boots on the other forums and wanted to head it off here. After seeing that picture over at GH, it clinched the fact that the Infantry Officer was wearing a slightly different costume then the others. :)

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

Jerjerrod
02-17-2003, 03:45 PM
Hey, that's a great pic of the Snowtrooper Officer. The only difference is that Hasbro made the skirt open up like an arch, which I don't like, and the real thing has a squarish opening.

dr_evazan22
02-17-2003, 05:28 PM
I haven't seen a pic of the new Snow Trooper/Officer... Can one of you guys post a pic?

I'll be there buying a bunch of these as well. I should take a bunch of my Hoth toys outside now and get some pics...

Beast
02-17-2003, 05:37 PM
Well, there was a picture posted in the "They are Up!!!" thread. I'll just link to that so we don't have to waste server space with another post. :)

New SnowTrooper Figure (http://www.sirstevesguide.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=222670)

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

badtaste
02-19-2003, 02:05 PM
Good work!

I discovered something else, The plating on his chest is the same as on the at-at commander , and the same as on the bounty hunter Dengar (?). The snowtroopers helmet is the same as the at-at commanders and at-st drivers helmet. His sholder plates ar the same as dengars sholder plates but upside down. This makes Snowtroopers looks like clones from Dengar...

Jargo
02-19-2003, 02:40 PM
Actually matey, when they were filming the bounty hunter scenes for ESB they wanted a new bounty hunter added and the night before they filmed the scene they had to hurriedly cobble together a costume for the actor playing what would come to be known as dengar. They simply used leftover snowtrooper armor and resprayed it purple-ish. You'll notice also that Dengar has stormtrooper leg armor which is actually bound onto his legs because his legs are too fat for the armor and it probably kept popping off.

Yeah the snowtrooper helmet is the same as veers and the AT-ST drivers. Just a nice sort of continuity within the OT movies. It's a pity they're trying too hard to do the same with the PT movies. But the difference is that the PT is wholey contrived rather than organic. The OT grew up out of sheer invention and the PT is there just for the sake of being there. No matter how nice it looks or what it adds onto the saga it'll never truly work because it's too self conscious. Too self aware.

I digress... Dengar, yes the inference being I suppose that they were trying to make out that he was renegade Imperial or specialist imperial with all that imperial armor. And if he wasn't it was his ability to hunt that made him useful and allowed him to escape being vaporised for wearing stolen imperial armor. How else did he get away with wearing a suit of armor like that on the bridge of the Executor and stand not two feet from the scourge of the galaxy? That's either a very brave man or a very stupid one. I've always imagined that dengar was indeed very stupid but very dogged in his hunting which is how he achieved his reputation as a good hunter. I don't buy into the Han solo EU story that he and Dengar raced against each other though. Far too contrived.

Snowtrooper still looks really good. got my orderin' finger ready to punch that button and bring home an army of them. :D

stillakid
02-19-2003, 03:18 PM
Originally posted by EMPEROR JARGO
Yeah the snowtrooper helmet is the same as veers and the AT-ST drivers. Just a nice sort of continuity within the OT movies. It's a pity they're trying too hard to do the same with the PT movies. But the difference is that the PT is wholey contrived rather than organic. The OT grew up out of sheer invention and the PT is there just for the sake of being there. No matter how nice it looks or what it adds onto the saga it'll never truly work because it's too self conscious. Too self aware.



Very nice summation. Thanks! :)

Hellboy
02-19-2003, 05:15 PM
This is what I like about this forum. People pointing out the things they like about a figure intsead of always complaining. Granted it isn't always that way here but it is better than most other sites.

The pictures are a great example of how close this figure actually looks to the movie version, thanks for the comparison Jar Jar. This is probably the figure I'm looking forward to the most and plan on buying many to fill my Imperial ranks.
:)

sith_killer_99
02-20-2003, 06:11 AM
Yeah, I was suprised to hear complaints about this figure. I love it. It's probably my favorite new figure in a long time. I am glad to see this thing, but then, I have always been partial to Imperial bad guys.:D

And Bounty Hunters.;)

mtriv73
02-20-2003, 07:40 AM
I hope hasbro packs these at more than 2 per case. It sounds like a lot of people will be army building with them. I think it looks great and will buy at least 2.

SNAYSON
02-20-2003, 11:31 AM
BRING IT ON. READY TO BUY UP A LOT OF THE NEW SNOW TROOPER FIGURE!

badtaste
02-20-2003, 04:36 PM
The mask on this new version looks somewhere between the hard mask of the officer and the soft cloth one of the grunts.


Huh? what do you mean with that? Is there a difference in the softness of the mask too?

Beast
02-20-2003, 05:02 PM
Originally posted by badtaste
Huh? what do you mean with that? Is there a difference in the softness of the mask too?
Look at the link the decipher card I posted in my first post. It shows a shorter face mask sort of mask. And it seems to be more ridged then the basic Trooper masks. The basic Troopers have a large plastic mask that comes down well over the top of their armor. Let me attach a picture, that will help. :)

SnowTrooper: Infantry Officer (http://www.sirstevesguide.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=221748)

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

Jargo
02-20-2003, 08:18 PM
Well I cobbled this together which shows the whole costume of both officer and grunt. I think in actuality the masks on the grunts are just crumpled versions from much running about and turning of heads during the shoot but the officer is a fresh from the costume room mask which hasn't yet been crumpled. it appears that the mask was made from soft vynil plastic which tends to crease up when mobile (like when you move your head around). used this stuff in theater set design and it's dreadful stuff to keep pristine.
The big difference in costume is the rank insignia and the pockets/holster, then theres the boots which on the grunts have a more strapped look and some dirt details.
Also just noticed that the gauntlets on the officer are different somehow, it's more like armor plate on the forearms of the grunt but complete forearm coverings on the officer. There's not that much difference really and hasbro could still slightly alter the new snowtrooper to make a new grunt. Not that big of a deal really.

EDIT: just checked the figure pic again and it seems hasbro got the two snowtroopers completely muddled up. The figure appears to be baed on the oficer but the arms are from the grunt. A hybrid trooper. Unfortunate, most unfortunate is this. Not a great big glaring mistake but still - not right. The officer as you can see should have gloves over the forearm armor and this figure has the armor over the gloves and forearm like the grunt. But unlike the grunt the armor is covering the whole forearm not sitting on top like plate armor. Unless there's a third costume difference i'd say hasbro tooksome artistic license here. It's still bloody nice as figures go though. Just technically inaccurate for either the grunt or the officer. :)

Beast
02-20-2003, 08:27 PM
Excellent job locating a full body picture of the Infantry Officer version, Jargo. Yep, just like I thought. No kneepads and a different style of boots then the basic grunt. You could be right about the mask, but the ones on the basic grunts look a bit longer then the one on the Officer. I don't know. Regardless, well done EJ. :)

Edit: I don't know Jargo, look at his right hand. You can see that the armor is over the gloves. It's correct, just doesn't look like it at first. You can tell that the piece sticks out straight, while his hand is slightly back from the armor piece.

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

jjreason
02-20-2003, 08:34 PM
That is a super cool pic. Makes me think I should start saving pics like that on my PC when the pop up.........done. A whole new folder! Thanks, Jargo!! I'm gonna order 4 of these I think. That way they won't out number my more-gruntlike Snowtroopers. I can't wait to get them.

JJR

Beast
02-20-2003, 08:43 PM
Ok, I see what Jargo's getting at now. I was messing with the image in photoshop. The figure does appear to have those gauntlet type pieces on, but it's just hard to see in the Hasbro pic. I wish we had a secondary image, instead of just the one that Hasbro posted. :(

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

Jargo
02-20-2003, 09:02 PM
Now that's what I've been saying, hasbro really should throw up more than one angle of these figures. Front back and sides. Let us really see the whole deal. Cut down on some of the arguments at least.

JJ I'm a picture magpie. I save so much to my PC it's groaning. Half my disk space is images. It's like "well you never know when someone will ask for an obscure image like this..." :rolleyes: :p

Beast
02-20-2003, 09:07 PM
I'm with you on that, I wish Hasbro would show more. Stick up the figure design sketches too, like they do with the Fan's Choice stuff. Don't just tease us, give us everything. :)

That's cool Jargo, I have pretty much the same thing on mine. Apperantly not enough, cause I don't think I've ever seen the full body picture of the Snowie Officer before. Thanks. :)

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

badtaste
02-21-2003, 03:03 AM
Originally posted by EMPEROR JARGO
Well I cobbled this together which shows the whole costume of both officer and grunt. I think in actuality the masks on the grunts are just crumpled versions from much running about and turning of heads during the shoot but the officer is a fresh from the costume room mask which hasn't yet been crumpled.


I think these are to differend masks because the shape at the edge is differend, The officers one is more round and the grunt's one's are more square. De texture on the mask is differend too. The one of the officer is shiny.

Do you see the sholderplates? The officers ones are upside down, just like dengar's, but Hasbro didn't notice that either.
Another mistake are the silver buttons on the side of his helmet, Hasbro's version is missing this. This is indeed a hybrid trooper, but a cool one.

He's so sinister...

Beast
02-21-2003, 03:21 AM
I don't think they did the shoulderpads wrong, we just can't see if they have the ridges at the top or bottom in the picture of the figure. The picture they posted, seems a bit washed out, so it's hard to tell details. As for the silver buttons, the one from the head of the AT-AT obviously has them.

But that picture of the SnowTrooper: Infantry Officer that Jargo posted, doesn't appear to be sporting them. Maybe they were a last minute addition, and Hasbro was going by a copy of Jargo's picture and didn't see the one from the head of the AT-AT. Easily added with a dab of paint though. :)

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks