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Lman316
02-24-2003, 01:57 PM
I do realize that this could be posted under the "Illogical Moments" thread, but I couldn't find the argument about this one (it's probably in there, but that's a lot of text :p). I have, however, seen this is on other forums and threads recently - so I hope this doesn't get merged right off...

I have heard that people are either upset, or just didn't like the fact that 3PO's body just somehow managed to find the only open spot on the conveyor belt. That it was stupid and/or convenient that that's how it happened.
Well, I would like to offer that 3PO didn't just happen to find an open spot there, but rather that he knocked the droid out of the way.
I just recently watched my Episode 2 DVD twice in a row and both times, I distinctly saw C-3PO knock into a battle droid. It was in the right hand part of the screen, but I saw it twice. And it just looked too close to be the shoulder segment of the droid that was next in line...
I paid close attention to this part because of the things people were saying about it. I could be wrong, but what I see is the droid being pushed out of the way - you just don't see the whole thing being moved...

End...:)

Fulit
02-24-2003, 02:05 PM
I just kind of hate the whole deal, I mean why would Artoo push him off in the first place, what, is he trying to get him killed? He has to know 3PO doesn't have boosters. Just roll by him and let 3PO stay on the ship. The whole 3PO becoming a battle droid thing just seemed like a cheap excuse to include 3PO in E2. He served no purpose other than to say stupid things like, "It's a nightmare!". Well, how does a droid have nightmares?

Lman316
02-24-2003, 02:09 PM
I found the whole thing to be "cute"...amusing. It brought a smile to my face with most of what 3PO was doing. Especially the lines in the arena: "This is such a drag" and, "I'm beside myself." They're not meant to be serious, but again, it made me smile a bit. It was just supposed to be a bit of fun....

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Fulit
02-24-2003, 02:29 PM
Now, "what a drag" and "beside myself" were funny, I like "bad" puns like that. Maybe it's the very animated look during the "nightmare" comment that I don't like, you can tell 3po is majorly cgi when that big stupid looking robot is carrying him.

2-1B
02-24-2003, 02:44 PM
I hate that scene, and I hate Threepio's goofy lines in the arena. I just hate Threepio overall - I don't like him in the OT, I don't care for him either way in TPM, and I just despise his presence in AOTC. :)
There are other things I don't like about AOTC, but the Threepio gubbins is the only thing I actually hate. :)

mini-rock
02-24-2003, 07:00 PM
Originally posted by Lman316
I do realize that this could be posted under the "Illogical Moments" thread, but I couldn't find the argument about this one (it's probably in there, but that's a lot of text :p). I have, however, seen this is on other forums and threads recently - so I hope this doesn't get merged right off...

I have heard that people are either upset, or just didn't like the fact that 3PO's body just somehow managed to find the only open spot on the conveyor belt. That it was stupid and/or convenient that that's how it happened.
Well, I would like to offer that 3PO didn't just happen to find an open spot there, but rather that he knocked the droid out of the way.
I just recently watched my Episode 2 DVD twice in a row and both times, I distinctly saw C-3PO knock into a battle droid. It was in the right hand part of the screen, but I saw it twice. And it just looked too close to be the shoulder segment of the droid that was next in line...
I paid close attention to this part because of the things people were saying about it. I could be wrong, but what I see is the droid being pushed out of the way - you just don't see the whole thing being moved...

End...:)

Funny, I posted the same thing in the Classic Trilogy section last night. Great minds.:D

Regarding the scene I remember everyone in the theater laughing their arses off during that. I did see this one "large" man wearing a bath robe (it was supposed to be a Jedi robe) and holding a Qui-Gon Jinn lightsaber, put his head in his hands during those scenes like the 5th time I saw AOTC. Not everyone is going to like all parts of these movies, and that's cool. I liked it though, and still do, just like Jar Jar Binks at the end of TPM.

"No givin up General Jar Jar. Meesa thinka somthing." - Tarpals

"Hands up!" - Battledroid

"My give up. My give up." - Jar Jar

Still cracks me up everytime.:D

stillakid
02-24-2003, 07:58 PM
Originally posted by Fulit
Now, "what a drag" and "beside myself" were funny, I like "bad" puns like that. Maybe it's the very animated look during the "nightmare" comment that I don't like, you can tell 3po is majorly cgi when that big stupid looking robot is carrying him.

There's nothing at all wrong with comedy within a story. But the way it's done can either make the moment or ruin it. The comedy should arise from the inherent flow of the story. It shouldn't be forcefully concocted in order to go for the cheap and easy laugh.

Case in point, Han's line in ESB. After he slices open the Tauntaun, he says, "I thought these smelled bad...on the outside." I can still hear the chuckles resounding through the audience. That's a prime example of humor which arose from both the inherent nature of the character and naturally from the logical action of the story.

Far different is the AOTC scenario of Threepio's head getting lopped off for no reason, him just happening to get in the proper place in line in a droid factory at the precise place where heads are assembled...all for what? So that the character could utter those easy jokes 10 minutes later.

Yeah, funny. ha ha.:rolleyes:

mini-rock
02-24-2003, 08:57 PM
Originally posted by Fulit
Now, "what a drag" and "beside myself" were funny, I like "bad" puns like that.

Yeah, that was classic.:D

JediTricks
02-24-2003, 10:11 PM
The whole scene was tacked on at the last moment, right? That's what I remember Lucas & co saying on the DVD.

The only thing I really didn't like about the 3PO/BD switch was the over-the-top way 3PO gets the body switch. It was just too much and way too CG. 3PO didn't need to get knocked off and go on his mini-adventure just to get on the conveyor belt - it took too much of my attention away from the other stuff and had too light a payoff.

Beast
02-24-2003, 10:18 PM
Originally posted by JediTricks
The whole scene was tacked on at the last moment, right? That's what I remember Lucas & co saying on the DVD.
Yeah, the entire droid factory section was added later after Lucas saw the cool designs for the factory from the one shot where Obi-Wan looks down and sees it while spying on Geonosis. :)

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

mini-rock
02-24-2003, 11:49 PM
Originally posted by JarJarBinks
Yeah, the entire droid factory section was added later after Lucas saw the cool designs for the factory from the one shot where Obi-Wan looks down and sees it while spying on Geonosis. :)

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks


I remember that from the DVD. Glad they did add it. It turned out perfect.:)

stillakid
02-25-2003, 12:55 AM
Originally posted by JediTricks
The whole scene was tacked on at the last moment, right? That's what I remember Lucas & co saying on the DVD.





http://ter.air0day.com/index.php?script=attackoftheclones
Christopher Lee leaves. NATALIE and HAYDEN arrive to rescue Ewan McGregor.
First, there is a short MEGA MAN GAME.

:D

Pendo
02-25-2003, 03:28 AM
I don't mind the whole head swap thing on the conveyor belt. What is do hate is that stupid thing when R2 knocks 3PO off the ledge, and the droid catches him and is swinging him around, etc. It is totaly stupid and unnecessary and looks pretty fake too, especially because 3PO can hold onto the droid :rolleyes:.

PENDO!

Beast
02-25-2003, 03:41 AM
Well, R2 knocked him off the edge because he couldn't see. C-3PO wouldn't get his shiny metal butt out of the way, and R2 tried to bump him to get him to move. I don't think he knew there was a drop off. Besides, Lucas prefers R2 to C-3PO. That's why poor C-3PO get's knocked around and damaged in the movies so often. :)

I don't have a huge problem with him holding onto the droid. His hand's arn't supposed to be as unarticulated as the costume makes them. And he did hold the small comlink in ANH, so Anthony Daniels can hold onto things. Besides, it's no more silly then Luke getting sucked out a vent and being able to grab a weather vane in Empire. :)

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

mini-rock
02-25-2003, 04:08 AM
Speaking of ESB if you remember R2 also tries pushing Luke forward on Bespin when he was following Boba Fett. R2 let out a couple "beeps" and Boba came back & fired on Luke. So what he did in AOTC wasn't the first time. I thought R2 pushing 3-PO off in AOTC was another nice connection to the OT.:D

Beast
02-25-2003, 04:15 AM
Yeah, hell. R2-D2 almost got Luke killed in that scene. Beeping and whistling and bumping him. If he would have bumped him a little harder, Boba would have had a clear shot. Man, I never realized how evil R2-D2 really is. :crazed: :D

Besides, look at how R2-D2 is built. His eye is on a curved dome. He can't see down all that well. He's looking upwards. So it's not like he could tell there was a drop-off when he was bumping C-3PO. He can't look down unless he pivots his body. :)

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

mini-rock
02-25-2003, 04:22 AM
I agree with your last statement. Also I believe his attention was focused on finding Padme at the time, he prety much goes with her everywhere. And considering he hasn't spent much time with 3-PO, I don't think the friendship is quite there yet.

mini-rock
02-25-2003, 04:34 AM
Here's when R2 first beeps, and Luke tries to quiet him.

mini-rock
02-25-2003, 04:40 AM
Hearing the noise Boba comes back and opens fire on Luke then takes off. That's when R2 starts pushing Luke forward, and Luke has to physically push R2 back with his hand.

mini-rock
02-25-2003, 04:48 AM
And here's 3-PO at the end of ANH.

stillakid
02-25-2003, 11:18 AM
Originally posted by JarJarBinks
Besides, it's no more silly then Luke getting sucked out a vent and being able to grab a weather vane in Empire. :)


Um, yeah, it is.

mini-rock
02-25-2003, 01:19 PM
Originally posted by JarJarBinks
Man, I never realized how evil R2-D2 really is. :crazed: :D

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

Yeah, he's a little shiitake mushroom isn't he.:):D:p:crazed: