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cfawcett
03-11-2003, 07:29 PM
http://www.figures.com/databases/action.cgi?setup_file=ssnews2.setup&category=starwars&topic=27&show_article=60

Why is this fake/custom figure being billed as an actual prototype?

Cj

Jason Coulston
03-11-2003, 08:13 PM
That is a most excellent question! I was thinking maybe it was a hoax or joke, but then I realized it wasn't April 1st.

R. Jason Coulston

JangoFart
03-12-2003, 11:12 AM
Like Hasbro had that kind of design back then. That is a cheap, albeit nice, custom that has tricked even grumpy old Thrawn.

Until I see something from Hasbro saying "Yes, this is real," I won't believe and neither should any of you.

You telling me that Sansweet missed this in his books? Please.....

J

bobafett07728
03-12-2003, 11:17 AM
I have seen figures similar to this on dreaded eBay. At least they claim that it is a custom. Hey it's nice. . . but I doubt Kenner had any plans to do this figure, and it looks to good for a 'kit-bashed' prototype.

bobafett07728
03-12-2003, 11:18 AM
BTW. . . the article does say ". . . if it is real." Give Thrawn some credit guys.

Jason Coulston
03-12-2003, 11:23 AM
A good friend and trusted expert in the area of vintage Star Wars collectibles and prototypes emailed Thrawn to let him know it was a custom/fake. He was asked by Thrawn to "prove it" or something to that effect.

I'll prove it right now. The figure has production dates stamped on to the back of its legs. Do we need to go into a lesson about prototypes and hardcopies from the vintage line?

R. Jason Coulston

cfawcett
03-12-2003, 11:36 AM
I emailed Vince Viard. This figure looks like his work. Check it out here:

http://bobafettkitbashed.50megs.com/

Sure enough he writes me back that this is indeed his figure. It is 100% guaranteed a custom.

Cj

cfawcett
03-12-2003, 11:39 AM
You telling me that Sansweet missed this in his books? Please.....

Well, just because it's not in Sansweet's book doens't mean it's automatically a fake. There's lots and lots of stuff not in Sansweet's book. Check out http://www.toysrgus.com/ some time to see tons of stuff.

Cj

JediTricks
03-12-2003, 11:49 AM
Originally posted by Jason Coulston
I'll prove it right now. The figure has production dates stamped on to the back of its legs. Do we need to go into a lesson about prototypes and hardcopies from the vintage line? Kenner did have some protos and test-shots that had printed markings: http://www.toysrgus.com/images-unpro/jslot-boba.html

And as for Hasbro not confirming the existance of this stuff, that's not an accurate judge on this stuff, this wouldn't have been the first time they said something didn't exist when it did. Remeber the role-play color-change lightsaber from Ep 1 that SSG put up a while back and Hasbro still denies exists even though they used the exact same mold for the Mace Windu role-play saber that was just released.

Jaff
03-12-2003, 11:51 AM
It's a fake for sure, the detail is way different from the other vintage figs, even the POTF line. The only figs from the SW christmas special was the wookie family. Stuff like this just creates rumor, and creates confusion. However the custom is nice. I wonder if I made a custom and advertised it as a prototype would anyone bag that idea. Looks like it worked for the Boba Fett:confused:

Jason Coulston
03-12-2003, 11:57 AM
According to the photography, this is "one of two" in existence. By the time Rocket-Firing Boba Fetts were being finalized, they were inches from being released to the public. It was at the final stages of design/release.

If this "Holiday Special Fett" is only 1 of 2 examples it wouldn't have a date stamp. This early on, we would be looking at a hardcopy, painted hardcopy, or first shot. None of these early-phase development pieces would have date stamping.

Although . . . I'm glad you're using the archive for reference!

R. Jason Coulston

JediTricks
03-12-2003, 11:58 AM
I'm not saying it's not a custom, I'm just pointing out that there are no set rules like the date-stamp thing or Hasbro not admitting it exists to prove this wasn't the real thing. Thrawn did preface the article with "...if it is real" as well.

Oh, and I didn't look that reference up, someone sent it to me in response to this.

LusiferSam
03-12-2003, 12:10 PM
Boy I'm glad I'm not the only one to think this figure is a bootleg. Just look at it, take at good look, and you can see its a bootleg. Like Jaff said the detail is too different and like Jason Coulston said there's a date on the one leg. Had this been post a few weeks later it would make a great April fool's.

Jason Coulston
03-12-2003, 12:13 PM
As I mentioned earlier, a good friend emailed Thrawn asking about it. I have this actually, which is exactly what was posted in RASSCV:

I e-mailed "Grand Admiral Thrawn" saying it was a custom and got a reply back asking for "proof". I wrote a pretty extensive e-mail in response detailing the reasons why it is a custom. We'll see what he says.

cfawcett
03-12-2003, 12:22 PM
JT, I agree with you that Hasbro saying anything about this stuff isn't a guarantee. *Especially* when it comes to vintage. I mean, come on, it wasn't even Hasbro back then. They don't have a clue about what went on then with the exception of the few employees there that came over from Kenner *and* were around 30 years ago (which I can count on one hand).

But I disagree about the date stamp. There are some rules. First, you never fire up an injection mold and make 2 pieces. It just doesn't happen like that. Second, there is a definete progression of things (wax, hardcopy, then firstshot.) So, this thing is not some initial concept figure - if it were it wouldn't have dates.

Now, the only way something like this comes about legimately is if Kenner decided to kit bash an exisiting Fett. But then that puts the time frame of this piece around 1979, *after* they had the regular Fett mold running. Which begs the question of why they would want to go back and make Holiday Special figures (from a TV show over a year old). Answer? They wouldn't.

Cj

JediTricks
03-12-2003, 12:23 PM
Again, I'm not speaking for Thrawn here, but all of the SSG reporters who put up news/pics of new stuff that's previously unheard of get more than a few "that's bogus" type emails - I remember a few emails from that unreleased CD Luke Bespin a while back that was later cobbled into Saga Luke, I also recall a few "those are custom figs" emails about the authentic SW Kubricks. It's hard to authenticate stuff like this from after-the-fact emails when there are so many people saying things like that on both sides of the issue.

icatch9
03-12-2003, 12:27 PM
Date Stamps, Sansweet, Gus Lopez, Vince Viard, do we really need all these heave hitters to prove this is a custom/fake? There are three things in the photo that tells me it's a fake.

1. Real Wookie Braides
2. Real Cloth Cape
3. Highly detailed head with seperate Antana

If this is a Holiday Special Fett that means it would have been desighned the same time as the wookie family and several other late issue figs from78-79. Do any of them have this sort of detail? No, even the casual collector can tell that. This fig ever out does POTF figs. This is a custom/fake and the maker of it is laughing in his own spolies right now.

cfawcett
03-13-2003, 07:33 AM
So, can we get that thing removed from the site? Even with the "if it's real" disclaimer, it's terrible for a well-known web page like this to spread disinformation like that. Thrawn, can you please remove the figure, or put it in a proper place for customs?

Cj

Jason Coulston
03-13-2003, 08:55 AM
Agreed.

Misinformation like this is bad for the vintage collecting community. Down the line, knowledgeable folks like CJ are going to have to explain this piece to newer collectors that saw the article and are convinced it's real. It also gives scammers yet another window of opportunity to capitalize on eBay.

R. Jason Coulston

Banthaholic
03-13-2003, 08:10 PM
Good points Jason Coulston, I'm in agreement.

JediTricks
03-14-2003, 12:45 AM
I'll see what I can do there; but in the meantime, let me point out that this was an accident on the site's part, there are other big SW sites out there who several times in the past year have posted customs as real Hasbro prototypes knowing full well before they went up that they were customs.

Billy Boy
04-26-2004, 05:21 PM
Well at least Vince's custom is a cool one! =

http://bobafettkitbashed.50megs.com/whats_new.html

Bill :cool:

Kidhuman
04-26-2004, 07:16 PM
NOt a bad looking custom.

TheDarthVader
04-26-2004, 08:58 PM
That looks like an awesome custom. Great work comments to whomever made that fett.

evenflow
04-27-2004, 03:59 PM
I would have loved to have seen a Holiday Special Boba Fett with his big Dragon type creature.

DarthQuack
07-09-2010, 06:17 PM
Billy Boy....oh where are you......