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Banthaholic
03-23-2003, 09:24 AM
Another great issue. We get introduced formally to Durge, and a bit more on the ARC trooper. This issue sets place on one of the moons of Naboo, with many dead gungans, check it out!

preacher
04-04-2003, 08:46 AM
The issue begs for one question to be asked...

Why was Jango used for the clone template - and not Durge in the first place?

Did you notice the similarity in Durge's helmet and leg bracers with Darth Vader's?

Could Durge be the source of some of Vader's apparel?

El Chuxter
04-10-2003, 02:15 PM
I was actually disappointed with this issue. I mean, the guy takes a saber to the chest and a blaster to the head and laughs it off? How are they going to off this guy before E3?

And I'm beginning to fear the "Clone Wars" comics, toys, and cartoons will all be nothing more than "Anakin and Obi-Wan vs Durge and Asajj Ventress."

Poor little Gungans. :cry:

Bel-Cam Jos
04-11-2003, 10:47 AM
Even though I have not yet read any Clone Wars era comics, I hear that the Smuggler's Flight Pack and Desert Sport Skiffs will be making appearances, plus a Glow-In-The-Dark Anakin with Grappling Hook Arm feature!

If anyone was worried about how SW would continue after the films are all released can relax. It's all in good hands! :p Just say "How can Hasbro turn this into a Batman-style toy?" and multiply that idea by 3720!

[DSS]Pedr0
04-18-2003, 09:27 PM
EMpire # 7 was kinda lame, altho Boba Fett is THE MAN!!!....Star Wars:Republic #52 was wicked as hell!!

Darth Jax
04-21-2003, 10:53 PM
so, i'm behind a bit in my comics (hey, the playoffs are on). but personally they can't kill of Durge quick enough. it's one thing to be one with the force and difficult to hit with a blaster or quick with a parry of a lightsaber. it was like watching little kids play, "missed me" or " shot bounced off and hit you, you're dead now." come on, nobody is supposed to be invincible. even with as intimidating as he was maul got taken out pretty easily by obi.

as for why durge wasn't the model of the clones instead of jango, you don't want an army that powerful. the goal is to drag the war out so palpy can weed out all the unbelievers and have time to hunt down the jedi. if you had an army of durge's they'd be invicible since neither blaster nor lightsaber nor poison gas seem to harm him. watch him get killed off by the common cold like in 'war of the worlds.'

Tycho
05-05-2003, 04:14 AM
The background on Durge better be pretty good.

OK, he's 1000 years old, and he was "hibernating" all this time?

I have some ideas:

1) he was carbon frozen - a way for this technique to return to mind for Vader's generation (hence something Vader would think of, and Fett appreciate).

2) Durge's misfortune had something to do with Jedi, Sith, and Mandalorians.

PROBLEM: what became of the Mandalorians after Ulic Qel Droma's defeat? Most fell to the Beasts on Onderron's Dxun Moon, right? Mandalore himself was killed there.

- the tomb there was where Freedon Nadd, King Omin, and other Dark Siders from that line were interned by Master Arca. The Jedi drove the ancient Mandalorians back to there, a place the Mandalorians knew of because of Exar Kun's journies there. They figured the Jedi wouldn't follow them into the Dxun Moon's dangerous ecology. Exar originally found the tomb there and opened it up, and then, 3,000 years later, Darth Bane would return there as stories and legends about Sith artifacts on Dxun resurfaced probably in the Empress Teta System, where Ulic had once ruled the Krath Faction, and they were then carried by the rising Sith army to the battlefields of Ruusan, until such time that only Bane escaped destruction there.

When Darth Bane arrived on Dxun, were the Mandalorians gone?

Did some escape?

Did they fight for the Sith during the 100 Years' War during the last great war that tore apart the galaxy before the reformation of the Republic, (I guess the time that Sio Bibble spoke of)?

How were they found by the Sith again? What were they doing before Lord Kaan's time?

If the Mandalorians fought for the Sith, where was Durge during this battle? Could he have fought for Lord Hoth and felt betrayed by the Jedi? Was he already an enemy of the Mandalorians?

When was he released? He had time to know that the Mandalorians made a comeback, had a schism with the Death Watch, and that a new recruit, Jango Fett, made it to the top of the ranks of those loyal to Jaster Mureel?

Durge is much too old to be part of the Death Watch. He was around 1000 years before they ever existed.

Does Durge hate the Clones because they are Clones of Jango (as a rival bounty hunter), or because Jango was of the Mandalorians?

Does Mandalorian code still swear allegiance to the Sith's version of order (since the time of Ulic Qel Droma?)

Where was Yoda during the time of the 100 Years' War? Wasn't Yoda born afterward? He wasn't around during Darth Bane's expected lifetime, but born afterward - and after Lord Hoth died, and the Jedi Order had to be reformed as well. (No Jedi "lords" and no multiple apprentices.)

Darth Jax
05-05-2003, 10:12 PM
tycho don't forget that there was carbon freezing in shadowhunter.

i've read all the info you summarized above, but only in summary form myself. are any of those tales available in comic form? and a final question for ya, do we know that jango is a mandalorian and not simply wearing the armor ala jodo kast?

Tycho
05-07-2003, 03:10 AM
Yes, Jango is a Mandalorian Warrior. He was trained by Jaster Mureel.

He took Jaster's armor, after Jaster died. He saved it as a monument to the man who saved his life when his farming family was killed on Concord Dawn by the Death Watch, a splinter faction of Mandalorians who turned to evil. (The traditional Mandalorians at that time were like a mercenary rescue squad, not assassins or soldiers-for-hire.)

Jango had willed Jaster's armor (and legacy) to his son, hence why Boba wears that armor.

Comic: Jango Fett: Open Season

-also explains his history with Dooku.

The previous Sith history was all layed out in comics: Tales of the Jedi comics to be precise.

The Golden Age of the Sith
The Fall of the Sith Empire
Tales of the Jedi
The Freedon Nadd Uprising
Dark Lords of the Sith
The Sith War
Redemption

read in that order.

Darth Jax
05-07-2003, 09:38 PM
thanx for the info tycho. now i got me some comics to hunt down since i only began reading them for info on the clone wars.

Tycho
05-08-2003, 12:05 AM
The Hyperspace Wars take place during Naga Sadow's reign over the Dark Lords of the Sith (Golden Age of the Sith / Fall of the Sith Empire), and he is most positively the most interesting character.

The brother and sister (Daragon twins) are just hapless young adults caught up in the middle of the whole thing. Their story is interesting, but you won't find this epic.

-5000 years before ANH


The saga of Ulic Qel Droma, Nomi Sunrider, and Exar Kun, and The Sith War, is an epic greater than the Classic Trilogy IMO. The Mandalorians enter the wars here.

It takes place 4000 years before ANH, but is dependent on the establishment of an underground Sith Order within the borders of the Republic, so the earlier stories do help with background. But THESE, these stories and the legend of Ulic Qel Droma and Nomi Sunrider are truly epic. You'll like the start, but while it's entertaining, it will seem unimportant.

The next part, The Freedon Nadd Uprising is truly awesome, and it is the HARDEST PART of the story TO FIND. Try ordering direct from DarkHorseComics.com! They might have made a trade paperback (TPB) out of it, but this part of the series was only 2 issues. They are so critical and cool though!

Then Dark Lords of the Sith and The Sith War, and Redemption will just have you floored! They so much needed to do action figures from this series, I swear!

Janzeke Khan
05-16-2003, 11:48 AM
Tycho you are the master.

[DSS]Pedr0
05-16-2003, 11:55 AM
I HAVE A FEW OF THOSE AND THEY R GREAT!! I NEED MORE COMICS DAMNIT!!

Janzeke Khan
05-16-2003, 01:24 PM
Is there a seris to Tales of the Jedi called Tales of the Jedi?

Tycho
05-16-2003, 04:40 PM
Not really. I wasn't following the series at it's initial release, but got interested in starting from the beginning about the time Dark Lords of the Sith was being released.

Before that, there were I think 5-7 books that Dark Horse put out, each advancing 1 of 2 stories.

The first 3 or 4 told the tale of how Master Arca sent his (three) apprentices, Ulic Qel Droma, Cay Qel Droma, and Tott Doneeta from Arkania to Onderron to mediate the Beast Wars. It was called "Ulic Qel Droma and the Beast Wars of Onderron," or sometimes "Star Wars: Beast Wars."

The next 2 or 3 comics told the story of how the pupil of the ancient Jedi Master Thon (a dinosaur like beast that walked on all fours and looked like an alien triceratops) was killed by space pirates upon his return from an assignment given him by his master. He was Andur Sunrider, and his wife, a Force-Sensitive, one Nomi Sunrider, witnessed her husband's murder with their daughter, and Nomi picked up her fallen man's lightsaber and slew his attackers with a Dark Side attack. She returned to Master Thon to complete her husband's assignment, but was convinced to stay and train to become a Jedi. I don't know exactly what Nomi's story was subtitled.

However, Ulic and Nomi's stories would be bound in what I read, a trade paperback (TPB) called "Knights of the Old Republic." Which would lead into a separate piece, the 2-part (2 issue) Freedon Nadd Uprising, which brought Ulic and Nomi together as they fell in love against the backdrop of the Sith's returning and the rise of Exar Kun.

The story continues then in Dark Lords of the Sith, as Ulic is tempted to leave Nomi by a Sith Witch who lures him to the Dark Side, where in its service, he eventually conquers the Mandalorians and uses them to attempt to take control of the entire Republic, inclusive of a devastating attack on Coruscant itself.

These are great reads written by Kevin J. Anderson.

[DSS]Pedr0
05-16-2003, 08:33 PM
thnx 4 the info