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Tycho
03-30-2003, 04:58 AM
The Star Wars Insider on Episode 6 is just awesome!

In the years I've subcribed, this magazine keeps impressing me just when I think they've done all they can!

But let's get back to Endor!

What cool stuff in the article about changes, lost scenes, different takes, etc.

1) Luke hanging from the upper grates in the pit, and then dropping off into a kick in the Rancor's eye would have been awesome!

They have the footage, they can still add this in if they redo the Rancor in CGI, which I wouldn't mind.

2) Vader choking out Royal Guards that try to block his way to Palpatine when he's told to remain on the command ship is just awesome! At least we'd get to see the guards do something, but they're nothing next to a rebellious Sith Lord!

3) Had Abbadon: the old idea for the captial of the Empire and Palpatine's lair being deep in the planet's molten lava core. I think this strongly points to Anakin finding Palpatine there (on Coruscant, in it's molten lava core, and fighting Obi-Wan Kenobi there). This has been a concept since probably 1980 or earlier!

4) Wedge flying a TIE Fighter to cover the Tyderium as it tricked it's way past Piett and the shield? It could have been cool, but you had to figure out a way to then get him back to be Red Leader, and it just doesn't work. I like Wedge where he's at!

5) Han trying to open the shield doors by chaining them to Chewie's AT-ST and instead, ripping the legs off the AT-ST?! That would have been hilarious!!! - and so "Solo" of him. I guess when that doesn't work, he tries calling them on the commlink like he does in the final film.

6) Moff Jerjerrod ordering the Death Star II to fire on Endor, destroying the planet, but scuttling both the Rebel Fleet with the Empire's in his final selfish attempt to defeat Admiral Ackbar! That would have been cool! (of course Jerjerrod blows himself up like Tarkin did, because Calrissian and Antilles had already laid the golden eggs in the Death Star's reactor core!)

7) Luke throwing his lightsaber away, only for Vader to get it, have both lightsabers when he taunts Luke about his sister, and then having Luke Force-rip his saber back from Vader while he shouts "NO!" defiantly and ignites it for his attack. So even his Force ability is shown to be getting more powerful than his father's! That'd been so cool!

8) Having more shots of Leia modeling in her slave bikini! I wouldn't have minded a half-hour of this extra footage being left in the film!

9) The Insider's report on why Return of the Jedi is cool including Admiral Piett's, Oola's, Lando's, Wedge's, and Ian McDiarmid's playing the part of Palpatine (then and now) as being the great contributions that they were! The supporting cast of heroes and villains was so good!

10) Interviews with all the Ewoks! And finally the respect they deserve is paid to them! Yub-nub!

11) The notation that The Battle of Endor is still about the largest space battle ever filmed! - especially with real models! And it still rocks!

I still want them to just add footage of the B-wings fighting. That's all I ask. I wished Hobbie and Janson were still young enough to be in the picture in that final battle. A tribute to Rogue Squadron, but oh well.

12) Seeing General Madine fight would have been cool, too - to see another Corellian in action, as well as make him half-as-cool as General Riekeen. Dadonna and Riekeen should both have returned for Jedi anyway. With them, plus Madine, and Ackbar in command with Antilles and Calrissian leading the fighters, it really would have felt like a Rebel Alliance. (Riekeen was Alderaanian and Dodanna was Coruscanti I think).

Anyway, Return of the Jedi is an under-appreciated movie in the Star Wars pantheon, and I truly remember now how much I thought it rocked!

Luke Skywalker became a Jedi Knight in that movie! What is cooler than that?

2-1B
03-30-2003, 01:29 PM
Is this in a new issue? :(
I got a letter saying my subscription is up, but I assumed I still had time to get my payment in.

Do you have the ROTJ storybook?
I do, and it has a pic of Luke hanging from the grating. :)

Tycho
03-30-2003, 04:31 PM
I had the storybook when I was a kid. I remember. The new Insider cited that source for the picture. The scene was finished with Mark Hamill, but they couldn't finish the effect with the stunt double and the creature.

Indeed it would have been cool.

Rogue II
03-30-2003, 04:42 PM
Some of those cut scenes are discussed here (http://www.cinescape.com/24/Editorial.asp?aff_id=24&this_cat=Cut+Scenes+Archive&action=sub&type_id=226200&cat_id=229561&list_type=name) . I think it shows some pics of the Jabba's palace scenes, Palpatine's throne room, Vader vs. the Guards, and Madine's cut footage. It also describes the cut sandstorm scene.

Wow, Wedge was to escort the shuttle? I don't understand how...TIEs don't have hyperspace.

I'm going to have to pick up this issue.

TheDarthVader
03-30-2003, 09:43 PM
Too cool! I, too, got a letter stating that my subscription was up. I hope they still mail me this issue! :)

JEDIpartner
04-01-2003, 09:09 AM
I just got mine yesterday. I'm still poring over all of the articles. That 100 JEDI secrets article was really good... nice poster, too! I framed the last poster they sent (the one of the galaxy with all the planet's positions) and put it above my display area. I love it!

Anakin2121
04-01-2003, 02:50 PM
Originally posted by Tycho
5) Han trying to open the shield doors by chaining them to Chewie's AT-ST and instead, ripping the legs off the AT-ST?! That would have been hilarious!!! - and so "Solo" of him. I guess when that doesn't work, he tries calling them on the commlink like he does in the final film.

I never understood that scene. It wasn't Han inside of the AT-ST, because the doors opened a second later and Han was already there, pistol drawn, in his normal clothes. Was it one of the Rebel soldiers in disguise, or did they revive one of the AT-ST drivers that the Ewoks knocked out, put a gun to his head, and make him say what he said?

JediTricks
04-01-2003, 07:22 PM
Originally posted by Anakin2121
I never understood that scene. It wasn't Han inside of the AT-ST, because the doors opened a second later and Han was already there, pistol drawn, in his normal clothes. Was it one of the Rebel soldiers in disguise, or did they revive one of the AT-ST drivers that the Ewoks knocked out, put a gun to his head, and make him say what he said? A lot of people have this misconception about that scene. It is Han in the AT-ST, the set-up and editing of the bunker scenes don't show that the control room we see receive Han's message isn't right inside that bunker, the bunker doors only lead to a corridor which ultimately ends up under the shield generator control room which is a ways off. In the script, here's what it says about the AT-ST pilot's line:

HAN/PILOT (VO)
It's over, Commander. The Rebels have been routed. They're fleeing into the woods. We need reinforcements to continue the pursuit.Also, why would Han set those charges for such a close time that everybody has to flee if he was right next to the doors? It's because he set up the charges in the building under the generator dish.

Anakin2121
04-01-2003, 08:43 PM
Thanks! That actually makes a lot more sense now!! :)

Something else I always wondered about the OT -- who was it that shot C-3PO on Bespin? The shooter had a very unique voice, yet when 3PO is revived, he's like, "Stormtroopers? Here?" :confused:

scruffziller
04-02-2003, 09:10 AM
It was Stormtroopers

Tycho
04-02-2003, 12:19 PM
On the AT-ST issue: It was just decided not to shoot the "exciting scene" where Han climbs down from the AT-ST cockpit, then rushes back to the shield bunker doors.

Likely this might be because they were never planning it to go that way: If Han HAD ripped the legs off Chewie's walker by tying a chain to the shield doors (see what he gets for missing staff meetings on Hoth! Should've known that wouldn't work! heh-heh-heh) he'd be able to almost walk out of the AT-ST cockpit, if he wasn't humorously turned upside down in there, so he'd fall out of it, LOL.

So they used what footage they had with Harrison, and really didn't need to show more. It was understood that he was inside and then got out of the AT-ST.


Still would've loved to see the humor in him ripping the legs off the thing with that tire-chain trick! It goes with the "I think I've got it!" part where Han manages to just put more doors between him and the generator control room. Leia's expression says it all, laughing. I loved those moments in Star Wars. You have to admit, it was primarily in Empire Strikes Back when Han actually KNEW what he was doing - since there he was mostly flying or rescuing Luke.

I gotta love Han Solo!
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Threepio's shooter on Cloud City:

Hmmm. I always wondered that too:

Clone Troopers have New Zealander accents.

Stormtroopers have American accents (Han Solo accents in my theory - if they are Clones).

Some Stormtroopers are drafted, or conscripted for mandatory military service, so they are definitely NOT all Clones, though some could surely still be.

Boba Fett: Hmmm. Really good one. Boba has a New Zealander accent in AOTC. Your accent you learn from your parents and environment, sometimes one moreso than the other, and you keep it all your life in many cases, to some degree.

In ESB Boba has an American accent through the helmet's electronics. This could be "in the SW universe" a synthesized voice through the helmet, and under it, Boba's actually talking with a New Zealand accent. Or he could have lost the accent over the years. Lama Su might've influenced the way he talks too, as might've Dooku, so in that more gruff tone than Jango's, could be indicative that Boba was talking to 3P0 without his helmet on. The voice does not sound electronically enhanced, right before 3PO gets shot.

What's the truth?

It could've even been a commissioned Imperial Officer.

I wish I knew. I've always wondered.

A comic in Star Wars Tales recently showed it to be Boba Fett, his helmet off! They used an approximation on a younger Jango (younger by what? only 5-7 years for Boba's age compared to his fathers, by the time of ESB) but why Boba let Lando see him without his helmet, I have no idea. Possibly because the SW Tales story took into account that Lando once got the drop on Fett and disarmed him, in order to rescue Han from a time when Boba captured him, when Han was about 24. Lando is 2 years older than Han, btw, so very close to Boba Fett's age. There's still some connections there. I wonder if Lando is supposed to be a somewhat genetically altered Jango Fett clone? That's why he's not afraid of Boba?

JediTricks
04-03-2003, 12:18 AM
I had a theory that it was Boba Fett who shot 3PO from a while back. Here's a post that I made that dealt with it, the original thread is lost though: http://www.sirstevesguide.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=6112#post6112

Anakin2121
04-03-2003, 02:28 PM
I've just realized, it's entirely possible that maybe Boba Fett or an Imperial Officer was sitting in a chair, packing heat, with a squad of stormtroopers simply standing behind him, maybe standing guard. 3PO might have seen and startled the officer, who shot him, but had a clearer memory of the intense image of the stormtroopers that stood behind the officer.

JEDIpartner
04-03-2003, 02:36 PM
Originally posted by Tycho
On the AT-ST issue: It was just decided not to shoot the "exciting scene" where Han climbs down from the AT-ST cockpit, then rushes back to the shield bunker doors.

Did you mean "exiting" or "exciting"?

JEDIpartner
04-04-2003, 10:30 AM
the reason I ask is... it could work either way! :D

Tycho
04-04-2003, 03:39 PM
I wrote exciting, sarcastically.

OC47150
04-24-2003, 04:57 PM
It is one of the better issues of the Insider. I like the anniversary poster. Another good one for framing.