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El Chuxter
04-07-2003, 06:15 PM
http://survey.greenfieldonline.com/wi/p3637019/ctl.asp

I'm not sure if everyone got this or not. My fianc&eacutee got a link to this but I didn't. Didn't stop me from filling it out, though. :) Basically, what it boils down to is "Would you be willing to pay $10 a year (or $60 a year, depending on the question) for the use of starwars.com?" Most of the "cool features" are currently available for free, and it really burns my bearskin to think they might start charging for exclusive Clone Wars comics and such.

Take the survey. Let George know he's already getting enough of your hard earned dough!

James Boba Fettfield
04-07-2003, 06:27 PM
My lord, that survey was boring. I barely could keep my eyes open for all of it. I told it I would not pay money for anything, though some of those features were cool sounding.

RooJay
04-07-2003, 06:31 PM
I'd be willing to bet that all of us are going to answer the exact same way. Hopefully they'll get the point.
...and I was always told that there were no such thing as stupid questions...:rolleyes:

DarthChuckMc
04-07-2003, 06:36 PM
"Would you be willing to pay for exclusive content?"

NO

"Why not?"

Why should we pay for something we should get for free?.

derek
04-07-2003, 06:37 PM
i'm not paying for any of that monthly or yearly stuff. they should look upon their website as advertising for the film, not a way to milk the fans.

they couldn't keep the storyboards, script or even the film off the net, do they think "exclusive" video would be the same?

Jargo
04-07-2003, 06:46 PM
Yeah i took the link from one of the other sites and told them plainly and simply that they were barking up the wrong tree, why pay for something that will end up on other media for free, i.e. once some mug payed and downloaded the content it would be circulated round the net faster than Catherine Zeta Jones turning on the false tears at an Oscar ceremony.

The only content that interested me was the cut scene and the select images but frankly the select images should be a part of the website content same as the databank. And this charging for content would exclude kids whose parents can't afford to subscribe to stuff. Not to mention college kids with low budgets, etc. etc.
It just creates a two tier fandom and that isn't a good idea. There's already enough of that with phrases like 'super collector' and 'uber collector' being bandied around at certain fan sites.

Exclusive and subscription only content is just bad. No way i'll ever pay out.

Deoxyribonucleic
04-07-2003, 06:47 PM
I'm not paying for any of those features. The only thing that remotely sounded good was the never before seen pics, but they'd surface elsewhere anyway. And ya, as el chuxter said, most are already on there and free!

:rolleyes:

Darth Jax
04-07-2003, 07:37 PM
if you want to have exclusive out-takes i'd rather you send them to me on DVD, that i'd pay for. the rest can easily be found for free or soon would as soon as their added to the website. and how about the redundancy of the questions.

darthvyn
04-07-2003, 07:45 PM
i have hardly even BEEN to starwars.com since they instituted the LARGEST pop-up ad usage of any site i've ever SEEN! and now, they wanna try to make people pay for that crap???

Q: what is holding you back from saying you definitely want to subscribe?

A: lucas is rich, and i am not...

JediTricks
04-07-2003, 10:06 PM
(This questionaire varies between $10 and $20 a year, and discusses lower prices like $5 a month.)

So let me get this straight, I already paid for the Ep 2 DVD, years of SW fan club membership, and countless Lucasfilm books for this level of info and now Lucas wants to charge me to download MORE of this stuff that he's been sitting on for years? What kind of bullspit is that?!? He's a billionaire, the site is there to advertise HIS products, and most of the things mentioned in the questionaire are things that should have been released on the DVD and in books and other SW merchandise already. If Lucas goes with this, I think it'll be such a slap in the face of every loyal fan.

Exhaust Port
04-07-2003, 11:37 PM
Originally posted by JediTricks
He's a billionaire, the site is there to advertise HIS products, and most of the things mentioned in the questionaire are things that should have been released on the DVD and in books and other SW merchandise already.

He didn't get to be a Billionaire by giving away stuff for free. Of course the Star Wars website is there to advertise his stuff. Star Wars is his and no one elses. He's not going to advertise Lord of the Rings from there or the Matrix.

I think the Lucas group is trying to bundle stuff in an excessable fashion and charge a small fee to reach that market that doesn't buy the DVD's, books and other merchandise. There's nothing wrong with that. I don't like it either but the internet is still evolving and a lot of the things that we've become acustomed to over the last 5-10 years won't exist as we know them in the future. Remember when all porn was free? There was no Sales Tax? Music was shared freely?

I personally won't be paying extra for content on the internet as I don't care that much to see something new. Over time a lot of this premium information makes it to the market place anyway through books and DVD's. Of course, I'll have to buy the book and DVD to watch it so it won't be much different that paying for the service online. I just perfer to have a book on the shelf.



If Lucas goes with this, I think it'll be such a slap in the face of every loyal fan.

Fans who spend hundreds if not thousands of their own dollars on small plastic statues of movie characters? Just because you buy a new Chevy every year doesn't intitle you to free tires.

If GL offered a tour of the ILM model storage facility but charged $10 you don't think there would be a line around the block? Man I would pay $30 or more to see all that stuff. They're just looking to provide a similar service digitally through their website.

How many people here paid to see the traveling Smithsonian Star Wars exhibit? Did you walk in with all your SW figures and demand to be let in for free because your a loyal fan?

Lord Malakite
04-07-2003, 11:40 PM
The only thing I would consider paying for on their site is the exclusive internet action figures (which I doubt they will make anymore of).

JediTricks
04-07-2003, 11:57 PM
Originally posted by Exhaust Port
I think the Lucas group is trying to bundle stuff in an excessable fashion and charge a small fee to reach that market that doesn't buy the DVD's, books and other merchandise.

You really think that is Lucas' motives here? I don't, he's certainly not talking about allowing all the stuff he's put in the DVDs and books to be online, just the trimmings he held back from those things that we already paid for expecting such items within.


Originally posted by Exhaust Port
Fans who spend hundreds if not thousands of their own dollars on small plastic statues of movie characters? Just because you buy a new Chevy every year doesn't intitle you to free tires.
Not all fans buy action figures. I'm talking about ALL fans, the ones who paid over $100 for the SW Chronicles book, the ones who paid a premimum $20 for the Ep 2 widescreen DVD when they could have spent $10 less for pan-n-scan, the ones who faithfully sat through endless FLASH ads for The Mummy Returns and other dreck while waiting for their Ep 2 Select images to load.


Originally posted by Exhaust Port
If GL offered a tour of the ILM model storage facility but charged $10 you don't think there would be a line around the block? Man I would pay $30 or more to see all that stuff. They're just looking to provide a similar service digitally through their website. I don't think it's the same thing at all. You went into that exhibit and saw real things in your face in ways never presented before just as the ILM model storage facility tour would be - a few internet photos of these things wouldn't be anywhere near as satisfying, and consider that you also have to pay your ISP for the time it takes to download this stuff.

RooJay
04-08-2003, 01:34 AM
A few of thoughts:

1- If you guys hadn't mentioned anything about pop-up ads I never would've known the Lucasfilm website had 'em! Pop-Up Stopper is AWESOME!

2- While it's not outside the realm of possibility that George Lucas came up with this whole idea by himself just to try and stick it to us fans, it's much more likely that he had nothing to do with it at all. Lucasfilm is a pretty big corporation, and I sincerely doubt Lucas would take time out of his schedule for something like this. Surely he has people in his marketing department who are really the ones to blame for this.

3- I'm with JT - seeing the stuff in internet pics and seeing it in real life are completely different experiences, and don't compare on any level!

Tonysmo
04-08-2003, 03:05 AM
Couldnt they just provide us with a CD in our Star Wars magazine subscription? Wouldnt that be sorta the same thing, a lil something to make us happy for something were all already paying for anyhow? Even if it was every other magazine.. I think that would be a better deal.. I coudnt see paying that much.. maybe 10 bucks for a YEARLY subscription..

Exhaust Port
04-08-2003, 09:13 AM
Originally posted by JediTricks
You really think that is Lucas' motives here? I don't, he's certainly not talking about allowing all the stuff he's put in the DVDs and books to be online, just the trimmings he held back from those things that we already paid for expecting such items within.

The preliminary reviews of the DVD's have always given specifics on what extras are included within. Are you saying that after buying the discs you found that those items were missing or did you assume you'd get more than advertised? It's a strange arguement to say that a fan is getting screwed by not getting "everything" the first time around when they made their purchase. "I paid for a ticket to Star Wars back in '77 I want to be able to watch the next 5 movies for free. I assumed the whole story would be included the first time."


Not all fans buy action figures. I'm talking about ALL fans, the ones who paid over $100 for the SW Chronicles book, the ones who paid a premimum $20 for the Ep 2 widescreen DVD when they could have spent $10 less for pan-n-scan, the ones who faithfully sat through endless FLASH ads for The Mummy Returns and other dreck while waiting for their Ep 2 Select images to load.

..and sat through traffic to get to the theater, stood in line to buy tickets, sat through coming attractions to watch the movie. Congradulations! You paid money and got the items you mentioned. Why are you intitled to more than what you bought? Your fooling yourself if you think buying a $20 DVD is going to lead to bigger intitlements down the road. It doesn't, you just get what you bought, a very nice DVD.


I don't think it's the same thing at all. You went into that exhibit and saw real things in your face in ways never presented before just as the ILM model storage facility tour would be - a few internet photos of these things wouldn't be anywhere near as satisfying, and consider that you also have to pay your ISP for the time it takes to download this stuff.

Agreed, seeing items face to face is a lot nicer. But arguing that since any other method is less interesting that LucasArts should give it away for free is ridiculus. I would pay good money for a nice book cataloging the model inventory, perhaps even a CD of images. LucasArts has decided to venture into a pay site that they could release new images/information to those that join. There's nothing wrong with that. If you want the stuff put the money down. Instead of buying 2-3 figures you could have access to their service for an entire year.

Instead of being thankful that you've been given a lot of information/images on their website for free for all these years, you complain when they start to charge for the premiums.

Jargo
04-08-2003, 01:51 PM
Originally posted by Tonysmo
Couldnt they just provide us with a CD in our Star Wars magazine subscription? Wouldnt that be sorta the same thing, a lil something to make us happy for something were all already paying for anyhow? Even if it was every other magazine.. I think that would be a better deal.. I coudnt see paying that much.. maybe 10 bucks for a YEARLY subscription..
Why not just make a new DVD with all the outtakes and trimmings? Why not just publish a book full of on set and production images? There are fewer people browsing the net than there are book purchasers and DVD purchasers. Reaching people via new real world products is sure to be more lucrative than getting a few measly bucks for subscription to dodgy downloads. If keeping the website free means suffering pop up ads i'll suffer thanks. The content SW.com has had thus far has been enough for me, teasing and enticing in the lead up to the new movie, i think that's enough.

Deoxyribonucleic
04-08-2003, 02:19 PM
Originally posted by EMPEROR JARGO
Why not just publish a book full of on set and production images?

That's a good idea! I think someone mentioned above that they'd rather have a book, a real live "thing" than downloadable images off the internet. I agree, I would prefer a real book to the internet any day for things like this!

Vortex
04-08-2003, 02:39 PM
Ya know, I took that survey too and nothing really interested me in their "bonus" items. Lucasarts has a way of rehashing and redistributing "exclusive" material and there's no guarentee that any of that stuff won't show up at some later date.

And I don't pay any sites for their content, but to me if Starwars.com did that, it would feel too much like an "adult" site where its pay-per-veiw for the good stuff.

I feel more sorry for the kids that surf that site and if their folks wouldn't foot the bill for them.

InsaneJediGirl
04-08-2003, 03:12 PM
I took the survey...load of crud.I really dont go to starwars.com,since starwarz.com is much better in my opinion.I wonder if starwars.com has realized vintage issues of Bantha Tracks are already online for free?

sith_killer_99
04-08-2003, 09:29 PM
I just got an e-mail from Starwars.com, it was a "poll" to test the waters for charging a fee for "added features".

Among the added features were no pop-ups for subscribers, added content, submit questions to Lucasfilm staff, etc.

I said there was no way I would pay ANY fee for the site regardless of "added features".

Then they started asking questions like "do you subscribe to any internet sites", "how much do you spend on them each month" and "which ones".

What a load of junk! Lucas is trying to find new ways to rip us off, IMO. There is no way I would pay for this stuff. What, doesn't he make enough money from his pop-up sponsors? :rolleyes:

Anyway, I just thought I'd mention it and see what everyone else thought.

On a side note, they did have a few good questions.

Did you see Star Wars in the theater during it's original release?

yadda yadda yadda.

Prince Xizor
04-08-2003, 09:46 PM
A PAY SITE!?! What a crock.

A magazine article I read recently mentioned the salaries of many differant celebs, and Lucas was on their for like $300 million, or something like that. Is $300,000,000 not enough for you George? Do you need to squeeze some more bucks out of us poor addicted saps?

Kidhuman
04-08-2003, 09:53 PM
Thats a ton of trash. I would never pay for any internet site. I could care less about Pop-ups and if I can ask Lucas a question. I can find out info on this board quick enough without having to pay for it.

PoggleTheGreater
04-08-2003, 10:58 PM
Didn't this site used to be a pay site?

JediTricks
04-09-2003, 01:10 AM
Originally posted by RooJay
While it's not outside the realm of possibility that George Lucas came up with this whole idea by himself just to try and stick it to us fans, it's much more likely that he had nothing to do with it at all. Lucasfilm is a pretty big corporation, and I sincerely doubt Lucas would take time out of his schedule for something like this. Surely he has people in his marketing department who are really the ones to blame for this. You could be right about that, but I think to go so far as to email everybody in the SW.com database, I think they had to at least mention it to Lucas - it's sorta like if I emailed everybody in the SSG database to poll them about what they thought if we started charging to read the forums without asking Steve his ok.



Originally posted by Exhaust Port
The preliminary reviews of the DVD's have always given specifics on what extras are included within. Are you saying that after buying the discs you found that those items were missing or did you assume you'd get more than advertised? But the specifics of the extras didn't mention these missing scenes that Lucas cut out, so how would I have known they existed at all?


Originally posted by Exhaust Port
Congradulations! You paid money and got the items you mentioned. Why are you intitled to more than what you bought? Your fooling yourself if you think buying a $20 DVD is going to lead to bigger intitlements down the road. It doesn't, you just get what you bought, a very nice DVD. "congratulations" - I'm so sick of that graduation card destroying our langauage. ;)

I didn't bother with the Ep 2 Select Images or the Behind the Magic CD-Roms, and there are lots of other SW resources I didn't buy. But why make books like the Lucasfilm Archive book and then hold back certain items only to have them appear later? Why make a DVD with a "deleted scenes" section and then hold back some only to release them later?


Originally posted by Exhaust Port
Agreed, seeing items face to face is a lot nicer. But arguing that since any other method is less interesting that LucasArts should give it away for free is ridiculus. I would pay good money for a nice book cataloging the model inventory, perhaps even a CD of images. LucasArts has decided to venture into a pay site that they could release new images/information to those that join. There's nothing wrong with that. If you want the stuff put the money down.That's not what I was saying, I'm saying we already BOUGHT these books and CD-ROMs and DVDs that were supposed to be definitive collections as well as shelling out $30 for a Fan Club membership to help round that out, and now Lucasfilm is considering making a subscription service to cover even more of this stuff "you didn't know about" that should have been covered in the books, CD-ROMs, DVDs, and Fan Club magazines that the SW fans have already been paying for.

When you said before "Just because you buy a new Chevy every year doesn't intitle you to free tires", you missed what I was saying. To work with your metaphor, I'm saying we've already bought the Chevy and the official car cover and the Chevy-approved trick tires and the custom Chevy paint job, that Chevy should have come with a gear shift knob and more than half its lugnuts. Chevy shouldn't turn around after you've bought the car and offer to lease you those lugnuts.

We already have Star Wars subscriptions to something permanent that you can look at in your hands at any time - the Insider - so why should the website hold stuff back from those books, DVDs, CD-ROMs, and the Insider just so they can charge yet more money? Because they can? Of course they can, but should they treat Star Wars fans like walking dollar signs - especially in such an overt way?


Originally posted by Exhaust Port
Instead of being thankful that you've been given a lot of information/images on their website for free for all these years, you complain when they start to charge for the premiums. That's totally unfair. I've enjoyed the site for what it was up until now and I've not complained about buying the books, DVDs, etc.; what bothers me here is that they're taking some of what WAS free on the site and turning it info pay-site content (select images, chats, video diaries from the set) as well as taking those elements that they neglected to put in those books, DVDs, etc., and charging a subscription fee to view them in an inferior, online manner.

JediTricks
04-09-2003, 01:19 AM
SK99, your thread was the same topic as this other one, so I merged 'em. If anybody has a complaint about the new title, post here with a better one.


Originally posted by PoggleTheGreater
Didn't this site used to be a pay site? No, SSG/Figures.com briefly considered using a subscription service for an enhanced version of the Collectors Database, but never actually ended up going through with it.

The 'Xir
04-09-2003, 01:23 AM
I haven't seen or taken the survey yet, but I'd agree to pay for the site if they offer members HUGE!!! discounts on things like toys and collectibles! And I'm talking like $1 for figures $5-$7 for vehicles, $2-$5 for posters, less than $10 for DVD's and half price for big ticket items say like statuets and other official prop replicas!
whadda ya guys think of that?

plasticfetish
04-09-2003, 02:53 AM
Originally posted by Exhaust Port
Remember when all porn was free?
Porn, what is this porn you speak of. We do not know porn ...

Yes, I remember that week. Wasn't it the 4th week of October 1994? I can't think of many sites like that one (or this one for that matter) that've switched from being free to pay and then survived. I mean fine, it's eyecandy and eyecandy should cost something ... but it's also generating interest in his other products and projects which we all know we're going to pay for anyway. Pop-ups I can handle ... a monthly subscription I don't need. What's the deal, is Lucas looking to pay for a real robot body that's going to host his brain after he dies? Maybe if there was a little more skin on that site people would pay ... better be quiet before someone jumps on that idea.

Lord Malakite
04-09-2003, 08:34 AM
Originally posted by plasticfetish
I can't think of many sites like that one (or this one for that matter) that've switched from being free to pay and then survived.

I know what you mean. The only one I can think of is ign.

Prince Xizor
04-09-2003, 01:54 PM
Originally posted by Lord_Malakite
I know what you mean. The only one I can think of is ign.

And it amazes me that IGN was able to do it, considering that almost everything they offer is available free somewhere else, like gamespot.com.

El Chuxter
04-09-2003, 02:04 PM
Originally posted by JediTricks
SK99, your thread was the same topic as this other one, so I merged 'em. If anybody has a complaint about the new title, post here with a better one.

How's about "From the Mean Streets of LA to a Camel's Hump: The Autobiography of a Wall Street Broker"? No? Okay, yousa point well seen. :)

I don't think everyone received the poll. I still haven't gotten a copy outside the one my fianc&eacutee forwarded me, and I have several friends who haven't either. Hmmmm. . . .

Adam
04-09-2003, 09:33 PM
I have a horrible feeling that this deleted scene is the only one I was interested in seeing - the Droid Controller ship raid..

JediTricks
04-09-2003, 10:20 PM
Originally posted by The 'Xir
I haven't seen or taken the survey yet, but I'd agree to pay for the site if they offer members HUGE!!! discounts on things like toys and collectibles! And I'm talking like $1 for figures $5-$7 for vehicles, $2-$5 for posters, less than $10 for DVD's and half price for big ticket items say like statuets and other official prop replicas!
whadda ya guys think of that? Oh yeah, if it was something like that, I'd be in for sure, but that's a subscription where you actually get something tangible to show for it by saving money when buying toys you'd buy anyway. Ideally, this would be what the official Fan Club would offer, but with all the management changes and the way the FC buys merchandise, it's simply not feasible.


Chux, my poll ended up in my SPAM box, so you may wanna keep an eye out for it there.


You know what else sucks about this from a different point of view? I'm not ravenous for official Ep 3 news, but if I were, this would seem like such a gyp because an almost identical level of advertising/news about Ep 2 was on SW.com totally for free.

I dunno, I guess I've said everything I have to say on this issue. But I still think charging people a subscription fee to see something that is advertising a brand where the whole point is to pay money to see a movie or buy merchandise based on the movie seems wrong to me.

Exhaust Port
04-10-2003, 08:22 AM
Why is everyone getting so up in arms over this? They asked that fans fill out a survey and answer questions about pay sites. Most have gone and completed the survey and said that they wouldn't pay for anything. Then they come here and complain that someone would even have asked about a pay SW site. What's the harm in asking? If you don't want it, then you don't pay. Move on.

JediTricks
04-11-2003, 01:23 AM
I think people see it like if Lucasfilm got far enough to hire an outside firm to do this level of polling, the prospect seems be pretty likely that it will happen.

Deoxyribonucleic
04-11-2003, 11:03 AM
Looks like he's going to need money for his new locations for ILM and other Lucas Film businesses in san fransisco ;)

plasticfetish
04-11-2003, 02:29 PM
You mean San Franlucas.

Deoxyribonucleic
04-11-2003, 02:35 PM
Originally posted by plasticfetish
You mean San Franlucas.

Woops, yes, that's what I meant :)

Or how 'bout San Franlucasland ;)