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derek
11-16-2001, 07:27 PM
o.k., i thought i knew what was going on with anakin's saber, and after seeing the first two trailers, i came to the conclusion that anakin would begin the film with a graflex styled saber with a green blade. at the end he would loose his saber when captured and possibly pick up another jedi's saber, thus the photos of the blue blade he has vs. count dooku.

but now the third trailer has been released, and there is a very quick shot of anakin about to decapitate a tusken raider with a blue bladed saber. this is of course anakin's revenge for his mother's death. this will probably take place in the middle of the film.

anyway, unless ILM is playing a joke on us, and plans to change the saber colors before release, i'm stumped on this one.

derek
11-16-2001, 07:56 PM
all righty, i just re-watched all three trailers, and i'm now of the opinion that the saber anakin starts the film with is the very same one given to luke in episode 4. the green saber we see anakin with is the one he picked up in the arena from a fallen jedi; it's not of the graflex variety. (look closely at the trailer when he's being shocked). and it's speculation, but some way he loses the green saber, maybe when being shocked, and then later aquires someone's blue saber to fight dooku.

it's interesting that anakin and obi wan will both begin the film with blue sabers.

Wolfwood319
11-16-2001, 11:48 PM
Actually, if you look at an original copy of ANH, not special edition or any of that, the lightsabre Luke uses is almost white, whereas the blades Anakin are using are really almost a regal blue.

derek
11-16-2001, 11:53 PM
i chalk that up to crappy effects more than anything else. luke's saber is blue, as seen in "empire". at the least, lucas hadn't decided what color his saber would be in episode 4, but empire settled this.

and now after looking closer at the new trailer, anakin's episode 2 saber may not be the episode 4 saber. the episode 2 saber has a black ring around the center, like vaders does, but the emitter tip is chrome colored. oh well.:(

Tycho
11-17-2001, 01:16 AM
I don't think we'll see any ANH lightsabers in this film.

The ANH lightsabers look cheap and less impressive or refined as the sabers built with the resources of the Temple. This is in regard to qualities expressed withing the fantasy context of the film (personally I love the classic lightsabers and think they look awesome). However those lightsabers don't have fancy red buttons from the 'fancy red button factory' etc. and look like they were built from more primative stock.

That makes me think the ANH lightsabers were built on the run, and they got lucky they had focusing crystals, or whatever it takes. I think it would be interesting if the famous ANH/ESB Skywalker lightsaber was constructed out of parts removed from R2D2 and C-3PO.

As to AOTC, I think Obi-Wan has a blue saber throughout the film.
Remind me where, if anywhere, we see him use a green one.

With regards to Anakin, remind me where (before Geonosis) we see him using a green lightsaber. I think he borrowed that one AFTER he's chained up to be sacraficed to the reek monsters. Probably from just some random fallen Jedi, or if Dooku was Qui-Gon's master, for some reason the lightsaber could've been his, though I doubt it's the exact one. The second blue lightsaber Anakin uses is likely Obi-Wan's, borrowed from his master when Obi-Wan is injured by the Count. Bythe way, the comic and novel JEDI QUEST which was specifically authorized by Lucasfilm to tell the tale of Anakin's first mission with a lightsaber, specifically states Anakin creates a BLUE blade. It does not look like the ANH Skywalker lightsaber, though.

Will he use two lightsabers at the same time even? Hard to say. I actually question that for 3 reasons:

1) Anakin loses his original blue lightsaber that slew the Tusken Raiders when he's captured. Otherwise, he wouldn't have needed the green one in the first place. This blue saber is now out of the film.

2) We see in the Dark Side Lightning scene, Anakin seem to lose the green saber he's using after the arena scene. Well...technically it shuts off, and next, we know in a following scene he's only fighting with another blue saber - presumably Obi-Wan's. That is about so many seconds later in the movie, right before Dooku almost finishes him, and Master Yoda settles the score.

3) If Anakin loses his arm, that could explain how he still ends up with only Obi-Wan's blue one. (the green one getting cut off). It would be a testimony to his strength (or rage) if he continues to fight with only one arm. However, I can't see that in any of the trailers, so I doubt that, too. But TFN was reporting Anakin WILL lose an arm. Obi-Wan's TPM saber will be returned to him, and Anakin may have to yet build another new one, or surrender his old one if he leaves the Jedi Order.

If Anakin leaves the Jedi Order and marries Padme at the end of the film, necessity might require him to build a new lightsaber to protect himself and his wife, and the ANH Skywalker lightsaber may be built from unconventional parts (such as from Threepio and R2) on Naboo (off screen) between Episodes 2 and 3.

Without the resources of the temple, hence the different style and look.

What's the deal with Obi-Wan's ANH lightsaber: I think it's probably an Episode 3 plot point. Maybe he even throws away his TPM lightsaber he thinks killed his padawan. Then Obi-Wan builds his ANH offscreen, between 3 & 4.

And Qui-Gon's lightsaber? In a Star Wars Tales satire, paralleling Pulp Fiction, Mace Windu told Yoda he had the lightsaber and planned on giving it to Anakin. Yoda did not respond politely to that. Why was it even in there? In Star Wars Tales? It had nothing to do with the Pulp Fiction spoof that was going on, so I think it was a plant to sneak a hint and a reason for paying attention to the EU in, so fans would chase clues to Episode 2 (such as in Jedi Quest, which has other important details besides Anakin's lightsaber).

derek
11-17-2001, 03:05 AM
the saber anakin begins the episode 2 with is a combination of luke's graflex and vader's original trilogy saber. all three have the "windshield wiper" hand grips. and the "activator" area, the band around the middle of the hilt is black, just like vaders saber, but the emitter is chrome, where as vader's was black.

i was assuming the blade for his saber was green based on the breathing trailer and the unlikley event of lucas giving both jedi the same colored blade.

there are numerous photos of anakin's saber, and collectstarwars.com posted a real scan of anakin's saber a while back. GNT reposted it here in this section. anyway, it looks just like vader's saber, very OT, unlike obi-wan's or qui-gon's.

Magnolia-Fan
11-17-2001, 10:14 AM
Just for reference. Here are a couple of images of anakin using his saber and a couple of sabers that Anakin is known to have built.

In the first Anakin image, we see the base of the handle. Note that it has the windshield wipers like the other two. Also note, the winsheild wipers dont start at the very bottom like Luke's, but start just a little way from the bottom like Darth's.

In the second Anakin image, we see the business end of the handle (albeit, not very well). It appears to have the same shape as the other two sabers, and based on the reflection on it from the blade, I beleive it to be chrome, not black.

My guess? I think it is the Luke saber, but they built a new prop handle for this movie instead of using the original.

I mean, why wouldn't they? They built a new Yoda for Episode 1...

Magnolia-Fan
11-17-2001, 10:23 AM
Originally posted by derek
..."activator" area, the band around the middle of the hilt is black, just like vaders saber, but the emitter is chrome, where as vader's was black.

...there are numerous photos of anakin's saber, and collectstarwars.com posted a real scan of anakin's saber a while back. GNT reposted it here in this section...


Could you put up a link to the location of this photo? I cant find it.

ki-adi mundi's bro
11-18-2001, 07:46 AM
his in, the trailer forbidden love, looks almost exactly like lukes! at the begging when anikan is saying just beign around her is so...intoxicating, look at his lightsaber and look at obi-wans. he has his old one from tpm..

Magnolia-Fan
11-18-2001, 11:33 AM
Here's another photo from the trailer. I can see the black band around the middle that was mentioned above, but not very well.

Does anybody have a better photo?

derek
11-18-2001, 03:58 PM
check out the new trailer where obi wan and anakin are talking about padme:"being around her is intoxicating" and you can see the saber hilt. and the real scan photo GNT posted is on another "anakin episode 2 saber" thread i started a while back. scroll down and you should see it.

Magnolia-Fan
11-18-2001, 09:33 PM
Found it.

Thanks Derek.

Here is the realscan mantioned above along with two ANH sabers for reference.

It certainly looks like the Vader saber.

GNT
11-18-2001, 11:58 PM
I think its an earlier version of Vaders lightsaber meesa thinks :)

Fixer
11-20-2001, 11:10 AM
Sure does look like Vader's. The only major difference being the silver rather than black emitter end.

Boy, George just makes old Obi look worse and worse. So are to infer that the saber that Ben gives Luke in Ep 4, never was his father's to begin with? The whole "your father wanted you to have this when you were old enough..." speech is crap?

Or does Uncle George think the general audience won't notice (or care about) the switcheroo?

I'm guessing the latter, at this point. But you'd think he'd have to know that fans are gonna notice!

Sounds like a perfect Jedi Council question.

JediTricks
11-24-2001, 05:25 AM
I heard Anakin loses his Ep 2 saber in the film.

Co Jo-Da
11-26-2001, 12:18 AM
Now do we know for sure that Anakin's saber is BLUE at the beginning of AotC? If he does have a BLUE saber in the beginning than that explains the Tusken Raiders scene.

So for the GREEN saber that turns into a BLUE saber in the Count Dooku fight at the end of the film. Both Anakin and Obi-Wan have to escape the arena to chase Count Dooku to the hanger. During the course of their escape they grab what ever saber they can get and keep on the Count. During the fight Obi-Wan will get knocked out leaving Anakin to fight him alone, so he grabs Obi-Wan's GREEN and fight Dooku (who has two red sabers) with both sabers. As the battle goes on Dooku will lose one of his sabers and Anakin will lose the BLUE one, after a few more minutes of fighting Dooku will defeat Anakin by droping a crane on him.

PloKoon2385
12-06-2001, 08:57 PM
I have a predicament. I went to see Harry Potter with my family, just to see the preview for AOTC. It wasn't shown. I tried downloading it, it won't let me. Can someone email the trailer to me? Please.......I am dying here...........
TheFly2385@aol.com:)

Magnolia-Fan
12-06-2001, 09:37 PM
Originally posted by PloKoon2385
I have a predicament. I went to see Harry Potter with my family, just to see the preview for AOTC. It wasn't shown. I tried downloading it, it won't let me. Can someone email the trailer to me? Please.......I am dying here...........
TheFly2385@aol.com:)

Try www.movie-list.com