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El Chuxter
05-20-2003, 07:29 PM
Inspired by the "Neo vs Luke Skywalker" thread, here's a place for us to discuss and debate which character could whoop which other character.

I'd suggest using real knowledge of the characters, and not references to the lousy "Marvel vs DC" mini-series from a few years ago. We all know that was a popularity contest. Wolverine beating Lobo? Puh-leeze! I like Wolvie as much as the next guy, but Lobo would mop the floor with him easily.

How about each "battle" lasts a week or so?

First of all, I will throw out this rather interesting match-up:

Spider-Man vs. Batman

My thoughts on this are that it would definitely be an interesting fight to watch. Spider-Man has super powers, whereas Batman has none. Spider-Man has been at the game for a few years (I'm guessing 6-8 comic book time), picking up all his skills during that time. Batman has been superheroing as such for 11-12 years now (according to official info from DC) and prior to that trained, in a variety of disciplines, relentlessly to reach human perfection. Spider-Man is a scientific genius but not a great tactician; Batman is nearly Spidey's equal in scientific knowledge, but a far better tactician. Though neither would kill, Batman is more likely to fight dirty when necessary. . . however, either one would immediately put himself in harm's way if it meant saving an innocent life.

I'd say this would be a long, drawn-out battle, but I'm going to have to go with brains on this one. Spidey definitely has Bats outclassed in raw brawn, but Batman's training include using an opponent's strength against him, leaving them on more equal footing. So, IMHO, Batman would win, but not easily.

Darth Jax
05-20-2003, 09:05 PM
i'd go with bats. both use accessories (batman his utility belt with endless gizmos and spidey his web fluid). batman's arsenal of tools and toys should keep him relatively web free until spidey's out of juice. then it'd just be hunting the wall-crawler down.

batman has the technical skills edge over spidey. about equal with scientific knowledge (being able to use the tools/items in any battleground). spidey has the strength edge but batman has taken on plenty of ultra-strong foes and triumphed (although bane did manage to take the bat out). agree with EC that spidey's sense of right and wrong might temper the way he fights, while batman is more willing to bend those 'rules' to come out on top. i've never really been a big spidey fan, but bruce is cool.

AT-AT Man
05-20-2003, 09:13 PM
I think that spiderman would destroy batman. I mean all Batman is, is a guy in a *** costum with a cape, acseories, and a little side kick.

Spiderman on the other hand is a real super heo. I mean, he has the ability to create webs, he's got a cool costum, and can kick butt on his own, without the help of a side kick.

Thats just my little oppinion, so don't anyone get all harsh on me. you can ell i'm more of a marvel guy. I'm not a big fan of DC.

dr_evazan22
05-20-2003, 11:59 PM
Thank you Mr AT-AT! Spidey would kick Bat-rear-end! In fact Spidey would probably be smart enough to avouid fighting. Don't forget that Spidey fought Firelord, who had the Power Cosmic, and was able to stop him. There are lpenty of others that Spidey's fought and won against. No contest.

I'm a bit of a MArvelite also, w/ less respect for DC characters.

I could see a different match up for Bats: Bats vs Punisher. I think it would be cool to see how Bats would've handled the original Hobgoblin.

jjreason
05-21-2003, 01:51 AM
Bats vs Daredevil has always had me interested. I don't think it's fair to pair up Spidey with Bats, even though Batman has all the ammo you say at his disposal, Spidey can leap like 30 feet in the air, lift a car, move faster than fast, is warned when danger is nearby.... I don't think Batman could hang in there. Bats would have to ambush him by getting the Spidey sense to go off on something entirely different (grenade or boomerang) and then blindside him with knockout gas or something. Not that Bat's couldn't do that, but Spidey's real tough to hit, and never gives up.

Spidey it is.

Eternal Padawan
05-21-2003, 07:55 AM
Spiderman. He can spin a web, any size and catch bad guys, just like flies. Oh, but he can't "create" webs as AT-AT man believes. When he was sixteen he created a super complex bonding compound in his bedroom that 3M would kill for, but didn't sell it and make billions. Instead he puts it in little cartridges on his wrists and shoots "webbing". Only in the Movie (and Cartoon, and maybe Ultimate Spidey) can he produce it himself.

What can Bats do? NaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNa
NaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNa
NaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNa

And maybe Batdance.

Alfred would put the moves on Aunt May with his english charm and wit and sophistication and she'd be putty in his hands.

Mary Jane would answer the door in a skimpy shear robe that would accidentally fall open when she bent down. Robin would stand there dumbstruck with drool on his face. Then MJ could do anything she wanted to the little ankle biter. Hit him on the head with a brick or give him milk and cookies. Whatever.

But Spiderman with his super human strength, speed and skill, along with his staggering intellect and spidey sense, would eventually realize how serious an opponent the Dark Knight was and get down to business. After that it's adios Caped Crusader.

El Chuxter
05-21-2003, 01:43 PM
I think Mary Jane vs Robin is a more interesting match-up, EP, and you nailed it on the head. ;)

AT-AT Man, you shouldn't say mean things about Robin. Really really cool X-Men don't rip off the costumes of mediocre heroes. :p

I also remind everyone that Batman has held his own against foes like Bane and Solomon Grundy, both of which are probably Spidey's equals in strength. But you're right, Spidey is definitely more agile, so whoever wins, it'd be one heckuva showdown.

Rogue II
05-21-2003, 02:15 PM
Batman would definately win. It is common knowledge that Batman carries Bat Shark Repelant, I'm sure he also carries some sort of insecticide that will finish off Spidey. A spider web of any size can't stop that.:D

Eternal Padawan
05-21-2003, 06:21 PM
Well, Bane (thanks to the Venom serum) is only as strong as humanly possible, if you were maxed out on adrenaline and whatnot. Spidey can lift traincars. We're talking pounds vs TONS. Spidey could flick his finger and cave Batty's skull in.

So Spider-Man. Duh.

dr_evazan22
05-22-2003, 01:04 AM
I asked the guys at the comic store today b/c I couldn't believe the first couple of posts. Well, w/out hesitation, they all say Bats would beat Spidey's butt! And for pertty much the same reason you guys said!

Needless to say, I cancelled all my subscriptions there and will find another store to spend my moiney in. :P

Eternal Padawan
05-29-2003, 02:16 PM
Hey! Where's the new showdown? And will this be a round robin tournament?

El Chuxter
05-29-2003, 02:46 PM
Hmmm. . . I guess it is time. I'll reserve my own judgment on this for a while to see what everyone else has to say (though the winner is clear in my mind).

Daredevil vs Snake Eyes

Eternal Padawan
05-29-2003, 03:00 PM
Pshaw. Snake-Eyes. Easy. And Twice on Sunday.

Beast
05-29-2003, 03:14 PM
Gotta be Snake Eyes. Since he's a silent Ninja, Daredevil's going to have a hard time locating him before he strikes. :)

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

Eternal Padawan
05-29-2003, 03:35 PM
Right. I mean let's look at DD's powers. Heightened senses? Well, how many of those are actually useful? He can smell farts let several city blocks away? He can taste the tobasco sauce more than us? He can read regular print with his sensitive fingers?
So basically he can hear really well. And he's on olympic level athlete.

Snake-Eyes is a NINJA. Mammal. Flips out. Kills people. Wails on Guitars. NINJA trumps "works out alot" every time.

dr_evazan22
05-29-2003, 08:24 PM
I'm not voting one way or another just trying to be the devil's advocate (insert everyones collective groan), but doesn't DD kick Ninja butt all the time? He has the heightened senses, he was trained by Stick (the same guy who trained the TMNT), and they're Ninja's!

I didn't know that Snake Eyes plays guitar... (The image that appears in my mind is the beginning of COPS where they show some cops playing in a band). SE is also the one that doesn't talk right? Maybe after DD he can take on Black Bolt?

Beast
05-29-2003, 09:48 PM
Originally posted by dr_evazan22
I'm not voting one way or another just trying to be the devil's advocate (insert everyones collective groan), but doesn't DD kick Ninja butt all the time? He has the heightened senses, he was trained by Stick (the same guy who trained the TMNT), and they're Ninja's!
Stick did not train the TMNT, but the character of Splinter was based on the character of Stick from DareDevil. Sorry, just had to make that small comment. There are a whole bunch of little DD injokes in the original Mirage TMNT. Like the cannister of ooze in the original mirage comics struck a blind kid before it went into the sewers. :)

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

Darth Jax
05-29-2003, 09:50 PM
gotta go with joe on this one. skill for skill they might be closely matched, but as soon as snake eyes pulls out his uzi, it's all over but the crying. heightened senses or not ben affleck is not neo and doesn't stop bullets in mid-air, instead he uses his chest to collect them as shrapnel.

dr_evazan22
05-30-2003, 12:11 AM
Originally posted by JarJarBinks
Stick did not train the TMNT, but the character of Splinter was based on the character of Stick from DareDevil.

I never knew that:sur: ! I was just kidding around:crazed: !

Thanks!:)

jjreason
05-30-2003, 02:13 AM
Daredevil was trained by Stick and Stone. He has whooped 10 cans of Ninja *** every Sunday since he was 19, and 11 cans on welfare weeks. Daredevil is superhuman - and would take SnakeEyes apart like my little brother would a DQ Blizzard - in record time.

Snake Eyes is a Viet Nam vet - read "near 60 years old".

Ladies and gentlemen, your winner by knockout - DAREDEVIL!!!!!

Eternal Padawan
05-30-2003, 09:43 AM
I would like to make a distinction between evil ninja flunkies in pajamas who get their butts handed to them by the gross and heroic ninjas who can take out whole Banana Republic armies single handedly and then go out for Orange Smoothies... Daredevil has defeated the former, true, but Snake-Eyes is the latter.

El Chuxter
05-30-2003, 03:07 PM
Let's examine the facts:

Strength
Snake Eyes: Near the peak of strength for someone his age and size, but is at least in his 50s.
Daredevil: Olympic-level athlete in his prime.
Point: Daredevil

Agility & martial arts prowess
Snake Eyes: Ninja master and heir to the title of Arishikage Grand Master with extensive training in various other fighting forms. Said to be the deadliest member of a team made up of the best of the best of the best of the US military.
Daredevil: Extensive ninja and martial arts training. Possibly superhuman agility.
Point: Snake Eyes

Weaponry
Snake Eyes: Currently carries sword, several knives, throwing stars, Uzi, pistol, grenades, and nunchuka. Also has a famous collection of spike-knuckle trench knives.
Daredevil: A cane that becomes a staff and/or a pair of nunchuka.
Point: Snake Eyes

Girlfriend
Snake Eyes: Scarlett, a ninja and counter-intelligence specialist for GIJoe. Genius level IQ, marksman, master of disguise, and said to be the second deadliest Joe. Also happens to be a drop-dead gorgeous redhead. :happy:
Daredevil: Elektra, also a ninja. She would be a good opponent for Scarlett. . . outside of the annoying little fact that she's dead.
Point: Snake Eyes

Costume
Snake Eyes: Changes almost weekly, though always black with a wicked looking mask and weapons all over.
Daredevil: Dark red, though in the past has worn goofy-looking grey armor and, initially, bright yellow spandex. :eek:
Point: Snake Eyes

Weaknesses
Snake Eyes: Left horribly scarred and mute after protecting Scarlett from a plume of burning jet fuel by blocking it with his face.
Daredevil: Blind as a bat. Also becomes confused whenever insurance-hawking ducks shout, "Aflac!" :crazed:
Point: Snake Eyes

Musical ability
Snake Eyes: Totally wails on guitar, usually after killing someone. Was once asked to join GNR, but killed them instead.
Daredevil: Can't even play chopsticks.
Point: Snake Eyes

Overall winner: Snake Eyes
I do, however, think DD would put up more of a fight than a lot of y'all seem to think.

scruffziller
05-30-2003, 03:32 PM
Originally posted by JarJarBinks
Gotta be Snake Eyes. Since he's a silent Ninja, Daredevil's going to have a hard time locating him before he strikes. :)

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

Yea especially if Daredevil has to rely on sound to see Snakey would wipe the floor with him.

Eternal Padawan
05-30-2003, 03:53 PM
Originally posted by dr_evazan22

I didn't know that Snake Eyes plays guitar...

:) (http://www.realultimatepower.net/) Clearly, you've never dropped a spoon...

Eternal Padawan
06-05-2003, 11:16 AM
Ooh! What's with clicking on that peculiar looking smiley in the post above? ;)

And where's the next showdown?

Eternal Padawan
06-11-2003, 07:55 PM
Bruce Wayne rip offMoon Knight vs Bruce Wayne rip offNight Thrasher.

(We'll assume Marc Spector didn't die and then find out he was immortal.)

El Chuxter
06-17-2003, 07:27 PM
Urgh. I'll just say that if Ross Perot were due north of this fight, he'd refer to a giant sucking sound from the south. :)

I think, all things considered, Marc Spector would take down Night Thrasher, who no one remembers the secret identity of.

Given the interest in this one (:D), here's the next showdown, a massive team vs team melee:

The Uncanny X-Men vs The Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles

The Father Figure: Professor Xavier vs Splinter

The Slightly Homicidal Unofficial Leader: Wolverine vs Raphael

The Stiff-As-A-Board Official Leader: Cyclops vs Leonardo

The Scientific Genius: Beast vs Donatello

The Wisecracking Teen: Jubilee vs Michaelangelo

The Not-Quite-A-Team-Member: Banshee vs Casey Jones

The Token Hot Redhead: Jean Grey vs April O'Neil

Discuss. :)

Beast
06-17-2003, 07:36 PM
Wow that's a toughie. Because the X'rs actually have mutant powers and the turtles are ninjas. The turtles are also more grounded in reality then the X-Men. Yes, I know they are both mutants. But the TMNT arn't shooting laser beams and stuff. Damn, this is tough. A nice one though. I'll have to put some serious thoughts on it. :)

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

jjreason
06-18-2003, 09:23 AM
Um......the X-Men. Ninja's may wail, but they ain't superheroes. We're beating a dead horse here, guys: Superheroes smoke Ninjas in their sleep. I would like to see Vision vs. Martian Manhunter - both green, both mass changing, both hyper powerful.....probably a tie.

El Chuxter
06-18-2003, 12:37 PM
Okay, my thoughts, and I'm assuming all showdowns are truly one-on-one, with winners participating in a free-for-all.

Round 1: Professor X. Though Xavier and Splinter would almost immediately realize they shouldn't fight, that isn't much fun. :) Splinter is a master ninja, and Xavier is limited in mobility. Both are elderly (or close to it) for their species. Xavier's advantage would (obviously) come from his telepathy. Nothing against Splinter, but--although his ninja disciplines would make the job slightly more difficult--Xavier would have no problem beating him with his mind.

To prove it's not anything against Splinter and I still like him, I skip ahead a few showdowns for round 2:

Round 2: Michaelangelo. Jubilee would win this if it were a coolness contest, but it's not. Her strength is average, her combat ability very limited. One of her only advantages is in the other room fighting Raphael, the other (her fireworks) would be next to useless against Mikey's shell. With his fighting prowess, Mikey would triumph over poor Jubilation rather easily, though he wouldn't actually hurt her since he'd recognize her coolness. And he'd have some serious hurt feelings from her mastery of quips. :)

Round 3: Leonardo. Cyclops is only as good as his optic blasts, which are, granted, powerful. Leonardo has proven time and again he can dodge most slower-than-light beams, and even if he doesn't, his shell would absorb most of the impact. Skill wise, Cyclops is no match for Leonardo.

Round 4: Wolverine. This is a tougher one to call. They're evenly matched in speed and strength, and Raphael is probably a better combatant overall. But Wolvie's healing factor would make all the difference in this showdown. As both score occasional hits, Raphael would be weakened, but Wolvie would quickly recover. Over time, Raphael would succomb to his injuries, and Wolverine would use his shell to light the match for his stogie.

Round 5: Donatello. Beast has an advantage in terms of agility and strength; Donatello has the upper hand in speed, durability, and combat skill. Intellectually, they're a pretty even match. Since Beast has no shell and his reach is much shorter, Donatello would score more hits until he finally wins.

Round 6: Casey Jones. Banshee has the ability of flight and a nasty sonic blast, which would seemingly give him a clear upper hand. But I think Casey's nuts enough to just barrel on through Banshee's scream, and in close quarters, Banshee stands no chance.

Round 7: Jean. This isn't even worth discussing why. :D

So we're left with Professor X, Wolverine, and Jean Grey vs Leonardo, Donatello, Michelangelo, and Casey Jones. Though the Turtles' side has a slight numerical advantage, any of the three X-Men in question is probably able to take down the entire competition by himself (or herself), so I have to award overall victory to the X-Men.

Darth Jax
06-18-2003, 09:11 PM
The Father Figure: Professor Xavier vs Splinter

this one's a draw, neither would actually fight.

The Slightly Homicidal Unofficial Leader: Wolverine vs Raphael

logan dominates, simply knocks raph onto his back and laughs when he can't right himself.


The Stiff-As-A-Board Official Leader: Cyclops vs Leonardo

while i give cyclops style points for his choice in eyewear, everyone realizes the straight-arrow do-gooder isn't much of a force on his own. gotta give leo the upper hand here.


The Scientific Genius: Beast vs Donatello
either fighting or engaging in an intellectual debate think the big blue guy carries the day here.


The Wisecracking Teen: Jubilee vs Michaelangelo
jubilee loses to michaelangelo. gambit vs mikey would've made for a much more interesting match.


The Not-Quite-A-Team-Member: Banshee vs Casey Jones
casey being the reason i liked the turtles has to emerge victorious here


The Token Hot Redhead: Jean Grey vs April O'Neil
no contest - it's jean all the way.

the mutant powered x-men function much better as a team, individually more of their weaknesses are exposed. all in all, a fairly even match when broken down into separate bouts.

Eternal Padawan
06-25-2003, 01:03 PM
Wait. There are 4 ninja turtles, and like 50,000 X-Men.

That's like asking who would win in a fight between the Paquonoke Municipal Sherriff's Office and the U.S.Marines.

Bel-Cam Jos
06-26-2003, 05:40 PM
Originally posted by Eternal Padawan
Wait. There are 4 ninja turtles, and like 50,000 X-Men.

That's like asking who would win in a fight between the Paquonoke Municipal Sherriff's Office and the U.S.Marines.
Easy. Paquonoke has the better coffee. :zzz:

But what about Cable vs. Fugitoid? I'd go with... the one with the guns, super strength, and mean personality. Fugitoid. :p

Eternal Padawan
06-27-2003, 06:29 PM
SHHHH...You're not supposed to say Cable anymore! Rob Liefeld may want his cut!

I'm not sure who Fugitoid is, but I think just about anyone can take PayTV...

Bel-Cam Jos
06-28-2003, 12:43 PM
SHHHH...You're not supposed to say Cable anymore! Rob Liefeld may want his cut!

I'm not sure who Fugitoid is, but I think just about anyone can take PayTV...
Sorry. I forgot the hatred for him. :rolleyes:
Fugitoid was intor'd in the original Mirage TMNT series (#7 or #8, if I recall correctly) in some zapped-to-the-future story (the guys end up back in time with Cerberus the Aardvark, too). He's a robot with (again, if I recall correctly) self-esteem issues, kinda like the robot in the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Universe trilogy, whose name escapes me (Henry? Harold? Albert? Gordon? Gertrude? :p ) at the moment. So, moodiness beats out brute strength and powers in my book! :D

El Chuxter
08-07-2003, 02:52 PM
How about. . . .

The Silver Surfer vs Optimus Prime

Eternal Padawan
08-07-2003, 05:27 PM
Well, Optimus is 20 foot tall advanced military robot with centuries of impeccable courage and leadership abilities under his (metaphoric) belt.

But Norrin Radd wields the power cosmic.

Surfer has a nifty new ashtray for Galactus in .08 seconds.


(Sorry Optimus.)

El Chuxter
08-07-2003, 05:33 PM
Well, by my reckoning, Optimus is at least forty feet tall if he's an inch (his head measures at least six feet tall, and the typical comic character is at least six heads tall). And he has the most powerful weapon in the universe inside him, specially created to wipe out planet-eating baddies, so I think it'll be a bit more of a fight than you think.

Surfer still wins, though.

That is, of course, if either stops philosophizing long enough to actually fight. :)

gsr-jedi
08-07-2003, 07:08 PM
Optimus, slow from years of fighting inept giant robots, is defeated by the more powerful and more agile Silver Surfer. So I'm voting for Silver Surfer.

Darth Jax
08-11-2003, 07:01 PM
surfer wins only until played by vin diesel. then he must perish.

and the android with low self-esteem from hitchhiker was marvin.

Jedi_Master_Guyute
08-12-2003, 02:32 AM
surfer wins only until played by vin diesel. then he must perish.

and the android with low self-esteem from hitchhiker was marvin.

Damn, you beat me to the Vin Diesel comment!! Curses!! :crazed:

I would have to say i would need to see the specs on Optimus before this fight. If he would've had an oil change, tune up and some maintenance on him, it would be a tough match for Silver Surfer. :p Though, i think Silver Surfer would win this one. :D

gsr-jedi
08-15-2003, 12:41 AM
I was thinking today about the upcoming JLA/Avengers series, and got to thinking about possible match-ups we could see in this. So if El Chuxter doesn't mind, I'd propose the next match up to be

Batman vs. Captain America

I'm still thinking about this one for now.

Bel-Cam Jos
08-15-2003, 11:31 AM
I was thinking today about the upcoming JLA/Avengers series, and got to thinking about possible match-ups we could see in this. So if El Chuxter doesn't mind, I'd propose the next match up to be

Batman vs. Captain America

I'm still thinking about this one for now.
I think this match-up is much closer than the previous ones.
* Fighting skills: about the same. Problem; Cap fights fairly, so slight edge goes to Bats.
* Accessories: Cap has his shield. Bats has Lots O' Stuff. Edge goes to Bats.
* Costume: sorry, no contest. Edge to Bats, unless it's the black leather movie costume.
* Sidekick: Bats has killed off/disillusioned too many Robins with his aloofness, so Bucky's honorable demise gives Cap the edge.
* Secret identity: what DID Steve Rogers do again? Millionaire playboy philantropist is a hard title to recite, but Bruce Wayne is the difference.

So, final total: Captain America wins! How? The votes were counted in... in... binary code. (Thought I'd say some infamous state, eh?)
Seriously, I think Cap has an honorable streak and fights not out of personal vengence, so his calmness wins the day.

Jedi_Master_Guyute
08-15-2003, 02:55 PM
I'd have to give this one to Bats. I think he's a much better fighter and w/ his accessory belt alone, he could do numerous things to Captain America and not even have to break a sweat. If he did though, he would just regulate the Captain. :D

gsr-jedi
08-16-2003, 12:20 PM
I think I gotta give the edge to Batman on this one. I think Bats fighting abilities, are greater than the Cap, Capt. America is stronger and faster. I think Batman's edge comes from the fact that he is more willing to fight dirty compared to Captain America, and all his gadgets are his greatest asset.

jjreason
08-18-2003, 01:01 AM
Cap wins, provided no gadgets enter the fray. Hard to say all suited up.

We are, after all, talking about one well trained, very strong REGULAR man vs. an augmented man (via Super Soldier Serum). Superpowers win, people - same as ninjas lose. It's the comic book way.

El Chuxter
08-18-2003, 01:13 PM
Batman all the way. Captain America is just a punk. Sure, he has super strength, but Bats has taken down many that are stronger (Bane, Killer Croc, Solomon Grundy, etc).

And as we all know from the theme song:
When Captain America swings his mighty shield
All those who chose to oppose his shield must yield!

However, Bruce wouldn't choose to oppose Cap's shield. He'd just choose to put the smackdown on Captain America.

Cap is such a punk, I can never think of him speaking in any voice other than Patrick Warburton's.

Bel-Cam Jos
08-19-2003, 04:52 PM
Captain America is just a punk. Sure, he has super strength, but [blah, blah, blah]

And as we all know from the theme song:
When Captain America swings his mighty shield
All those who chose to oppose his shield must yield!

However, Bruce wouldn't choose to oppose Cap's shield. He'd just choose to put the smackdown on Captain America.

Cap is such a punk, I can never think of him speaking in any voice other than Patrick Warburton's.
I think you're thinking of US Agent, Chuxter. He was a punk, especially as the "new" Cap. I always imaged Robert Redford's voice as Cap's. Besides, Patrick's already a superhero: The Tank. (Wha-?! He's not The Tank? Who then? The Brick? The Tic-Tac? The Trick? Whatever... ) I thought this was an ultimate geekfest, not a COMPLETELY RUIN AN HONEST PERSON'S REPUTATION AND LIVELIHOOD WITH SENSELESS AND VICIOUS PERSONAL ATTACKSfest... :p

Eternal Padawan
08-20-2003, 09:59 PM
I think Bruce Wayne has more internal motivation to beat up on anybody he comes across. He watched his parents die in front of him and then CHOSE to train his mind and body for YEARS and YEARS in order to exact vengeance.

Steve Rogers, on the other hand...

"Hey Steve. Do you hate Nazis?"

"Boy, I sure do! Who doesn't?"

"Well, then drink this..."


Where's his motivation 50 years later?

Batman can just tear Steve a new over and over and over.

gsr-jedi
08-25-2003, 10:15 PM
Here's one Wizard said would happen:

Superman vs. Thor.

I got to go with Supes on this one, the super speed would be his biggest advantage.

darthvyn
08-27-2003, 01:16 AM
I think Bruce Wayne has more internal motivation to beat up on anybody he comes across. He watched his parents die in front of him and then CHOSE to train his mind and body for YEARS and YEARS in order to exact vengeance.

Steve Rogers, on the other hand...

"Hey Steve. Do you hate Nazis?"

"Boy, I sure do! Who doesn't?"

"Well, then drink this..."


Where's his motivation 50 years later?

Batman can just tear Steve a new over and over and over.

BUT... is it "regular" cap or "ultimate" cap we're talking about? if it's regular, it could go either way, but ultimate cap would mop the floor with bats...

El Chuxter
10-21-2004, 03:12 PM
Hmm, I never answered the last question here, and Tycho's new thread inspired me to do so.

Thor is a god. Period. Case closed. Superman would cause him more pain and suffering than he's accustomed to, but Thor would take him.

And this has nothing to do with playing favorites, because I hate Thor.