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Jedi Law Student
06-03-2003, 12:36 AM
This topic might go under that Collecting Ethics thread.

I went to Wal-Mart tonight, mainly to look for a particular CD. But, as always, I stopped by the toy aisle first. They had the assortment that I've gotten used to seeing every time I go there. Destroyer Droid, Jango Pilot, Lott Dodd, Jedi Council Yoda. Then, something caught my eye: that newer Saga packaging. It was the package for Darth Tyranus, Geonosian Escape. That's right. The package. The bubble was open and the figure was removed! The first new figure in the store in a long time... stolen!! A Wal-Mart employee walked by about then, and I pointed it out to her. She said she sees it at least once a day.

Well, I won't list the expletives and imprecations that come to my mind when I think about whoever did this. Needless to say, I am pretty disgusted by it. Has anybody else seen this?

mini-rock
06-03-2003, 01:01 AM
Yeah, I saw it quite a bit when I worked loss prevention when I was younger. It's sad really, I mean, how bad does someone need a Star Wars figure? It's not like someone stole bread to feed their family. No, a Star Wars figure. Truly pathetic.:rolleyes:

jjreason
06-03-2003, 01:02 AM
The first though that came into my mind was: you missed a case. That's the only way that card would be in the store, as the new cases don't contain 2002 figures, I don't think. Totally beside the point.

That is a shame, but take heart. That store is getting new figures, so don't hesitate to check back there often.

JangoFart
06-03-2003, 01:04 AM
I remember back when POFT2 came out in 1995, this was the rule; not the exception. For the first almost year after POTF2 came out, the scalpers, buttholes, or whoevers used to buy up what they could afford and then tear the cards on ALL the others. And, I'm not talking about some minor mark; they'd tear it from the J-hook to the bubble on ALL of 'em.

At least in your case it was probably some punk kid who was stealing for a thrill.

J

Mandalorian Candidat
06-03-2003, 01:11 AM
Stealing a SW figure...that's pretty low. I remember once seeing some skank-o wiping bum crack schmear on a figure bubble to make it unpurchaseable.

I don't know what's worse.

Master ToNone
06-03-2003, 01:41 AM
maybe it was some young (<10) who couldn't afford it or didn't even realize he stole it.

best he not be trained in law however...he seems to have dark side tendencies.

What is an "imprecation?"

remember what is a "reasonable" inference. Unlearn what you have learned young padawan. :crazed:

Jedi Law Student
06-03-2003, 03:10 AM
Master ToNone, I should've been a little more precise. From the opened package and missing figure, I reasonably inferred that a larceny had been committed. However, at the very least, we know that the crime of malicious mischief had occurred. One commits malicious mischief if he or she intentionally damages or destroys another's property. Hope the legalese clarifies things. :crazed:;)

But seriously, the reason I fear that an older collector did this rather than a "youngling" is because of the figure chosen and the precision with which the package was opened. I can't prove it. It's just a gut feeling, that's all.

Anyway, it is nice to see that a 2003 figure made it to retail. Now I'll have to check back more often.

BTW, an "imprecation" is a curse.

Jargo
06-03-2003, 07:33 AM
I've lost count of packages I've seen opened and the accessories removed. 12" figures torn apart for them. Vehicle exclusive figures missing from their little prison cell window boxes. I can't really complain though because back in the late seventies and early eighties as a kid i stole figures from a store on a fairly regular basis because we couldn't afford them. Something i now pay for in guilt ridden sleepless nights.
But the practice of removing items is widespread. As for the tearing of the j hooks, I've seen parents with kids desperately trying to get a figure from the back of the peg and pulling the wrong side which tears the hooks, just yanking them off the pegs. It's not so easy to do now they added strong plastic to the hooks but some parents just won't take no for an answer yank yank yank they go and rip rip rip goes the card.
I'm not bothered because I open everything and sometimes i've managed to get discounts for shop worn goods. But it's an annoying sight to go to a rack of figs and find half of them lying on the floor or scattered about with the cards torn.
Unfortunately the parents I see are the spawn of the ME ME ME generation of the eighties. Passing on the same ethics and values to their offspring. Hardly anybody has any sense of common decency anymore. Willful damage seems to be the norm these days and people just don't see that they're doing wrong.
I actually long for the days when stores held all the stock back in a stockroom and you had to ask them to go get something for you. Self service is all well and good but some people take it a little too much to heart sometimes.

Kidhuman
06-03-2003, 07:56 AM
It is a shame that happens. People stealing. I saw it alot like mini-rock working loss prevention. Hold your head up though, at least you are getting new stuff. That means more is on the way for you.

kool-aid killer
06-03-2003, 08:08 AM
I remember working at a local Kmart a few years ago and having a store security guard ask me to pass by the Star Wars toys and when i did there was a kid who was just looking around trying to act "regular." I walked back to the front of the store to talk to my friends and minutes later as the kid and his mother left (she had been in a different part of the store) the building the security guard asked me to go outside to get the kid with him. It turns out this kid had at least nine Episode 1 figures down his pants. He had mutilated the cards and thrown them behind other toys. The good thing was that i already had all of the ones he tried to steal. And him, his mother apologized and said he was grounded with no tv.

InsaneJediGirl
06-03-2003, 10:09 AM
I've seen it happen alot,mainly with POTF2 figures.However,when the Saga Yoda was ultra-rare I saw one with the package ripped open..no yoda,no lightsaber.Whats amatter with these people?Its a $5 piece of plastic.If your going to steal something,go for something a bit more expensive.

jedi master sal
06-03-2003, 01:41 PM
Heres something to think also, if it was at Wal*Mart why not just put it on layaway? I do that if I don't have the money for a figure. Then you can go back and pay for it at leisure, without worry of missing it!

I learned this lesson when I hid (Yes hid and it was the only time I ever did it) some Naboo guards (the red ones that are HTF) only to come back the next day and find that they were gone. If I would have just though about layaway I would have had that many more to add to my collection.



EJ, thanks for being honest about stealing figs. I did this once too. I remember it like it was yesterday. It was back in the eighties at a toy store called Children's Palace, (sad to say does not exist anymore). I picked up a Biker scout. I really loved that figure. It was my favorite look for a trooper at that time. So I proceeded to open it up and put the package back. When my mom and I got to the door the manager stopped us. He asked for the figure and I just gave it back. He took my mom aside for a minute (which I later learned that he said I would be banned from the store if I was caught again).

Thankfully I had a very cool mom that understood my fanaticism for SW. She didn't punish me because she knew I was embarressed enough by being caught and also that I didn't want to be banned from the store.

bobafrett
06-03-2003, 04:09 PM
I got caught stealing Star Wars figures from a KB toy store in the 80's. the bad thing was, I had the money to purchase most of the figures. I remember thinking I was going to be sent to a boy's home, and the kids there would find out I was sent there for stealing Star Wars figures and I would get beaten up. Fortunately, since I had no criminal record, I was given a warning in juvenile court. My dad on the other hand almost beat the life out of me. He held me up with one hand, veins bulging from his forehead, and threw me against the wall, and the only thing I could think was "Wow, that's just like the scene on the Tantive IV, and my dad is Darth Vader". I've taken a straighter course since that time. I do see now how upsetting it is when you arrive at the toy isle to only find your favorite figure snagged by a five finger discounter.

vorronsalive
06-03-2003, 05:55 PM
I am proud to say that I have never stolen a star wars figure or any other item from a store (Given the fact that I am 17, so I was too young for vintage and old enough to know better when POTF2 came out). Other than that, I was just plain scared to steal because I thought I was going to get caught and have to fear not only the store manager, but the wrath of my parents. Even when I would go to the nearby comic shop with friends I would never steal. In there I knew I could have gotten away with it, but with a conscience like mine, I would have simple folded under the pressure because of fear and would have gone back to the shop and given back the item.
But I still do get ticked when I see new figures out, and when there's only one or two, both are damaged beyond recognition. This has happened to me many of times already this year and after a while, you sort of get used to it, but like many say, at least it is a sign that more figures are probably on their way.

LusiferSam
06-03-2003, 09:37 PM
I've seen this years ago in lager cities. The smaller town I am from different version of this. Somebody stole the package and left the figure. I saw this about three times. Always the same store and it was not always toys. It also happened to some makers and a box of crackers.

Brainiak76
06-04-2003, 05:44 PM
it was prob a lil kid!! i hope it wasnt an adult because thats even more pathetic!! neways one time my friend got caught stealing porn at a mag store (but we were under age so..) hahaaha

sith_killer_99
06-04-2003, 06:23 PM
WOW, what a hive of scum a villany. I didn't realize I was surrounded by so many hoodlums. I'm shocked, shocked I say, to find that gambling is....

Um....nevermind.

But seriously, I have one that beats these stories. I went to a Target a while back and found a WWF ring set with the ring apron pulled out. The package was in good shape, they had pulled the apron out through the hole in the front. BTW, this was the ONLY ring apron set on the pegs. I decided to be a stand up guy and took the package up to the customer service desk. They thanked me and put it behind the counter. The very next day the package was sitting out on the pegs again, all by it's lonesome, just waiting for some unsuspecting parent to buy the thing for their kid. Talk about corporate greed.:rolleyes:

Yeah, yeah, I know, what if there was just some mistake and it was put back out by accident. But if the empolyee actually cared about customer service (which is where they were working...a customer service desk) then they would have marked the item or ensured that it was taken care of properly.

As for myself, I have never stolen from a store. Now my sister on the other hand...

Turbowars
06-04-2003, 10:06 PM
I have never seen any open SW packages, but have seen those cheap 4.99 12" GI-Joes placed into a SW 12" figure box.I concider that stealing. As for myself, I have never stole toys, but I have a tendentcy to drive off with other peoples cars. I go for the late 60's and yearly70's muscles cars.:rolleyes:

Teeska Mon Eebon
06-05-2003, 07:01 PM
Yeah that ranks up there with stealing pokemon cards and ditching sunday school.....

jedi-cpa
06-06-2003, 04:53 PM
I bought a snowspeeder at wallys, and when I got it home I realized the DAK fig had been picked right out of it.

Ethics...it's stealing, no two ways about it.

Hellboy
06-06-2003, 08:00 PM
Probably a month or so ago I saw a 25th anniversary Han and Chewy missing just their weapons. The item was with several other SW toys and was on clearance for about $3. I was rather upset because I would have bought it had it been complete but at least the theif had a sense of humor. Without showing any visable signs of being opened not only were the weapons gone but Han and Chewy were arranged in a rather interesting position. Without getting graphic lets just say Chewy was sitting on Han's lap. :eek: Just imagine the look on a mothers face when her 12yr. old runs up with his SW toy and says "look at this one mom". I thought about giving it to an employee but ended up leaving it as is. I guess I should have been mad at the missed opportunity to spend some more $ on SW toys but instead I left the store slightly amused.