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2-1B
07-09-2007, 11:07 PM
The whole "permission to speak, sir" was very campy and cartoonish...very much in line with a cartoon/movie like this.

El Chuxter
07-09-2007, 11:49 PM
From what I'm hearing, the cartoon movie was more developed, and it was little more than a 90-minute toy commercial. "Hey, kids, Optimus Prime is dead! Buy Ultra Magnus instead!"

Mad Slanted Powers
07-10-2007, 12:36 AM
I was looking through Michael Bay's credits, and I don't think I've seen one of his movies before.

I liked it when Beavis & Butt-Head used the term "Transformer" to describe a transvestite or transsexual.

Tycho
07-10-2007, 01:18 AM
Watch this! - before it gets taken down (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpBx97ZktTA)

It's a good portion of the final battle in Transformers put to some good heavy metal music - the best kind of music for Transformers.

If you haven't seen the movie yet, it's kind of full of major spoilers.

But it's totally awesome for the Autobots.

The picture quality isn't great, but it's really liveable for a cell phone or digital cam that someone shot in the theater (that's obvious). But there are a few YouTube vids from Transformers and I think they are just so awesome!

Check out Ironhide in this clip! The double-blasts into the ground on his acrobatic dive is sweet!

figrin bran
07-10-2007, 01:33 AM
Unfortunately, I'm not really into Matrix-y style flips. Don't tell me that they all do that! At least vary their fighting styles! For instance, Megs should be no frills fighter where everything he does has a purpose and done with brute force. Even though he's not in the film, save all the gratuitous flipping around for Hot Rod!

Even though I know what all the characters look like, i can see where everyone is coming from when they say that it's hard to follow who is fighting who. How about they put some graphics at the bottom like they do for sports broadcasts? :p

Ironhide vs. Brawl or something like that.

Mad Slanted Powers
07-10-2007, 01:39 AM
Unfortunately, I'm not really into Matrix-y style flips. Even though I know what all the characters look like, i can see where everyone is coming from when they say that it's hard to follow who is fighting who. How about they put some graphics at the bottom like they do for sports telecasts? :p

Ironhide vs. Brawl or something like that.Well, they sort of did that when they introduced many of the Decepticons, or they were reporting in or something. Their name would appear in some Chinese looking language and then get translated into English. However, by the time the fight came later, I couldn't remember all that, and when not camouflage mode, I didn't know who it was.

Tycho
07-10-2007, 01:48 AM
Figrin, did you watch the link to the battle that I posted above?

In fact, most of the movie is put to rock videos on YouTube now.

It is awesome! I'm watching these over and over with tears of joy in my eyes.

El Chuxter: have you seen these vids yet?

figrin bran
07-10-2007, 02:27 AM
Yes, i did watch. that's why i said i didn't like all the flipping around though i'll admit that Ironhide(i think that's him) flipping to avoid the missiles was pretty cool. I've seen clips of Prime vs. Bonecrusher on the highway before and while that scene looked pretty good, please don't tell me that's the highlight of the film!

Qui-Long Gone
07-10-2007, 09:23 AM
Unfortunately, I'm not really into Matrix-y style flips. Don't tell me that they all do that! At least vary their fighting styles! ?

Haven't seen the film yet, and I couldn't figure out what it was about the clips I hated....it's the flips....the Matrix worked because it was the Matrix but once that moron Tom Cruise started fighting like that in Mission Impossible 2, that sort of action sequence lost its credibility and entertainment value...

I always liked the brute fighting of the cartoon. It was like demolition derby for robots...

Mad Slanted Powers
07-10-2007, 09:35 AM
I always liked the brute fighting of the cartoon. It was like demolition derby for robots...Well, there is plenty of that as well. And being in the middle of a city results in total carnage.

El Chuxter
07-10-2007, 12:09 PM
I just watched that clip, and it really doesn't make me want to run out and see this. I'll definitely be seeing Order of the Phoenix first. Perhaps twice.

darko666
07-10-2007, 01:12 PM
It's a good portion of the final battle in Transformers put to some good heavy metal music - the best kind of music for Transformers.

that wasn't Heavy Metal. more like crap rock.

bigbarada
07-10-2007, 04:49 PM
shock-value action like Megatron ripping Jazz in half,

Is that what that was? I remember some random, abstract metallic shapes moving around on a building top, but I had no idea it was the death of a major character.

I was wondering why I didn't see Jazz at the end of the movie.

Rebo's_Guitarist
07-10-2007, 05:32 PM
Man this movie was awesome. Being born in 83 I kinda missed out as well, but I was still pretty fond of them growing up as a kid. I knew all the major players and had a few of the figures, my cousin had Soundwave and he was the coolest. I hadnt really followed in past maybe 6 or 7 years of age, and when I saw the first bit of the movie I was hooked. I was on the edge of my seat the whole way through as it brought back everything I remember of Transformers as a child. Not being involved in TF the last 18 years didnt set me up for disappointment like it may have for some die-hards. I didnt care about the acting. I didnt search for inaccuracies. Awesome movie, awesome, awesome, awesome.

My only complaint is that Megatron shouldnt have been a jet. I dont know if he ever was way back when, but I always remember Starscream as the jet.

Even still, I loved it, 100%

preacher
07-10-2007, 05:59 PM
For the heck of it I watched one of the G1 transformer cartoon episodes. Plague of Insecticons

The afore-mentioned G1 episode has physics flaws much like the flaws there were in Bay's transformers. Case in point. At the climax of Plague of Insections. Schrapnel harnesses the power of lightning as a weapon. Spike says something like, rubber tires are insulation and the lightning can't hurt you when you are rolling on them. MEP. WRONG. Its the fact that a car behaves like a faraday cage that prevents protects the autobots. The car still grounds, but the occupants are protected because the lightning travels around the car. If the autobots were zapped by Schrapnel they still would have been electrocuted and the lighting would have arc to ground, but spike would have been safe.

I think many of you have hit the nail on the head as far as "suspending disbelief" being the key to enjoying the movie.

By its very nature. Transformers mytholody is rediculous. But its fun. If you are expecting realism. You won't find it. If you go in there expecting to find plot holes and campy dialogue like you would find in the cartoon, it won't be an enjoyable experience.

Megatron and Starscream sucked though. And the masturbation joke should have never seen the light of day. Totally inappropriate for a family film.

Droid
07-10-2007, 08:48 PM
I won't post a link because of the swearing, but go on over to YouTube and watch the Rude Awakening of Optimus Prime. It is a take on what Optimus would really have thought when they brought him back from the dead in the old cartoon. It is really funny.

darko666
07-10-2007, 09:10 PM
ha, a friend of mine showed me those videos a few months ago. the Rude Awakening of Optimus Prime is ridiculous. Shockwaves Burden is funny too.

Tycho
07-10-2007, 09:48 PM
"You've run this organization right into the ground, HOT ROD!"

"Who the F is Wheelie?"

Kidhuman
07-11-2007, 12:32 AM
"Who the F is Wheelie?"

Wheelie say find friend today

JediTricks
07-11-2007, 07:02 PM
I'll probably go see it at the Vista as I could just walk over there.
Er, sorry Figgy, looks like they already pulled it for Harry Potter. Whoops! First they pulled Die Hard for TF in only a week and a half, and now the same with TF for Harry Potter, good for the Vista finally showing some gumption with first-run.

JediTricks
07-11-2007, 07:28 PM
The whole "permission to speak, sir" was very campy and cartoonish...very much in line with a cartoon/movie like this.Bullmonkeys! You're saying that only because of WHO said it. If it had been one of Capt. Lennox's men saying it to him instead, it'd be neither campy nor cartoonish - unlike Lennox's line to Sam about being a soldier now which was unintentionally campy.


Well, they sort of did that when they introduced many of the Decepticons, or they were reporting in or something. Their name would appear in some Chinese looking language and then get translated into English. Yeah, their language looked really not-TF at all, and then it'd flippy flip into text. Dunno why they bothered with that, should have been verbal communications over radio just to give them a hint of a personality - why would any Transformer have a mouth if they communicated by text?


However, by the time the fight came later, I couldn't remember all that, and when not camouflage mode, I didn't know who it was.Yeah, but did it really matter? They weren't characters, they were just generic baddies. Granted, it was nigh-impossible to tell the robot baddies from the robot good guys when they'd fight, but that wasn't because we didn't know their names.


the Matrix worked because it was the Matrix but once that moron Tom Cruise started fighting like that in Mission Impossible 2, that sort of action sequence lost its credibility and entertainment value...Yeah, totally agree, MI2 did so much wrong it was painful and that was way up there in its flaws!


I always liked the brute fighting of the cartoon. It was like demolition derby for robots...Hmm, I always remember the cartoons as them shooting at each other from behind large rocks or debris.



Is that what that was? I remember some random, abstract metallic shapes moving around on a building top, but I had no idea it was the death of a major character. Yeah, Bay totally screwed up the direction of that scene! Couldn't tell who was flying or why that well, kinda generic lumps and they say a few lines that you can barely make out and there's no slomo or close-up or weight of any kind made to Jazz's death. Then again, Prime doesn't really seem to care at the end of the film either, he pays it lip service while he gamely holds the halves but it feels hollow.

figrin bran
07-11-2007, 10:30 PM
Er, sorry Figgy, looks like they already pulled it for Harry Potter. Whoops! First they pulled Die Hard for TF in only a week and a half, and now the same with TF for Harry Potter, good for the Vista finally showing some gumption with first-run.

it sure didn't help that i've been pretty sick the past few days...

until QLG mentioned it, i had forgotten all about MI2 and its Matrix-y fights. wow do i ever regret seeing that film in the theaters!

bigbarada
07-11-2007, 11:36 PM
Yeah, Bay totally screwed up the direction of that scene! Couldn't tell who was flying or why that well, kinda generic lumps and they say a few lines that you can barely make out and there's no slomo or close-up or weight of any kind made to Jazz's death. Then again, Prime doesn't really seem to care at the end of the film either, he pays it lip service while he gamely holds the halves but it feels hollow.

If they were going to kill an Autobot in the first movie, why Jazz? Why not one of the less popular Autobots like Bluestreak or Red Alert?

I think it was added in because the movie didn't adequately develop Megatron as a villain, so they needed some ill-conceived "quick fix" to show the audience how tough he was.

They didn't really develop Starscream either, he just shows up about 2/3rds of the way into the movie completely out of the blue.... literally.

Finally, I for one am really sick of the "oh, we've had one of these massive chunks of alien technology sitting around for decades now and it gave us the ideas for stealth fighters and microwave ovens and longer-lasting lightbulbs" type of storyline. But I guess well thought out plotlines and originality are too much to ask from a Michael Bay film.

JediTricks
07-13-2007, 10:50 PM
You're right, they needed Megs to kill an Autobot to show how dangerous we were supposed to believe he was because they completely failed to build him as a credible threat or as a character. As for why Jazz, 3 out of 5 of the Autobots are generic so it didn't matter who it was but of them, Jazz *does* the least so he's the most expendable.

Good point about alien tech leading to developing ours in these things, that is so insulting to human achievement, and just lame in general.

2-1B
07-14-2007, 03:53 PM
Bullmonkeys! You're saying that only because of WHO said it. If it had been one of Capt. Lennox's men saying it to him instead, it'd be neither campy nor cartoonish - unlike Lennox's line to Sam about being a soldier now which was unintentionally campy.

I wasn't really defending Bumb's line there, just saying that I already thought the movie was really goofy and dumb so I didn't think it was out of place.

If the movie had something serious going for it before that, then yeah it would have seemed effed up but like I said in another page, when that police car starting screaming at the kid about eBay I pretty much took the whole movie as a joke. lol

figrin bran
07-15-2007, 03:51 AM
I finally watched it tonight. I'll post more thoughts in the coming days but right now, my initial impression is that although it wasn't the disaster of epic proportions that i've been expecting, that doesn't mean it was a decent film. There were very few, if any, elements that had a real TF feel to it...more thoughts to come...

Tycho
07-15-2007, 04:24 AM
My presumably sophistocated cousins saw it - he's a doctor and she's a research specialist. They were not really Transformers fans before. But they loved the movie!

My cousin said she too loved BumbleBee and wants a 2009 Camaro.

(I know if I ever drive it, I'm sure I'll talk to it and say things like "Autobots: Roll out!" when I don't think anyone will catch me.)

mabudonicus
07-15-2007, 10:14 AM
I'm getting dragged to this turkey on "cheap tuesday" so expect a lengthy tear-apart session wednesday :beard: Iso & Baws

I have a BAD feeling about this

2-1B
07-15-2007, 11:06 AM
I have a GOOD feeling about this upcoming review. :D

figrin bran
07-15-2007, 02:14 PM
My presumably sophistocated cousins saw it - he's a doctor and she's a research specialist. They were not really Transformers fans before. But they loved the movie!

My cousin said she too loved BumbleBee and wants a 2009 Camaro.

(I know if I ever drive it, I'm sure I'll talk to it and say things like "Autobots: Roll out!" when I don't think anyone will catch me.)

being a doctor doesn't mean anything as far as "sophistication" (for someone who uses that word quite often, you'd think you could spell it correctly! :p) is concerned. i know someone who's doing their residency and one of their favorite ways to unwind at home is to play Halo.

Rocketboy
07-15-2007, 03:14 PM
I'm getting dragged to this turkey on "cheap tuesday" so expect a lengthy tear-apart session wednesday :beard: Iso & Baws

I have a BAD feeling about thisOh, I can't wait!

2-1B
07-15-2007, 04:23 PM
Me neither ! Now I'm kinda worried that ducks will actually like it a little bit though...i'd hate for that to take the bite out of his review. :crazed:

Wednesday should be a fun day on the forums. lol lol lol

figrin bran
07-15-2007, 05:33 PM
i'm looking forward to that review as well!

That prologue was really, really weak. It wouldn't been a perfect opportunity for a Fellowship of the Ring-ish styled prologue on the Autobots/Decepticons conflict on Cybertron and it would've established Megs as this all powerful conqueror. Instead we get Megs as a robotic Encino Man who is filled with rage, or so we're told.

DarthBrandon
07-15-2007, 06:19 PM
Rocketboy said he couldn't wait so here's my take on the movie:

Again, I will say I had no intentions on seeing this film, but when you have a kid that is nine & wants it as part of their birthday present you can't really say no. So let's get started: I walked into the theatre with my son (popcorn candy etc in hand) & spotted my brother-in-law/best friend with his wife sitting three rows from the top. He waved me up & we went & sat down, I thought to myself as the movie began to start, so far so good, my buddy is hear & so is my son so I'll get it from the kids point of view & from an adult point of view. I must point out that my best friend (Shaun) knows about as much as I do about Transformers, we grew up with it. (not die hard fans or collectors either)

As the movie starts were introduced to the war on Cybertron, nothing really shown at all, just a little intro to let you know that there are Autobots & Decepticons & the Allspark (power over mechanical life) in this movie. We then journey to the next scene where the film basically focuses on humans for the rest of the film while the Decepticons (what little we are introduced to) & Autobots take a backseat in their mini war. It’s a big mistake to make the humans the main characters of the story. This really begins to show Bays true film making skills, hot half naked chicks, lots of explosions, master-(figure out the rest), Autobots (Bumblebee) trying to help Sam Witwicky get laid, WTF is this lame ***** carp. Geeze took my best friend to tell my son that Master (figure out the rest) meant up to no good, so he'd be quiet & watch the rest of the carpola film. This Bay action extravaganza (Pearl Harbor, Armageddon) & that's just what it is, resembles nothing of Autobots & Decepticons from when we were kids & beyond, this is a hyped up bay version filled with all the perverse & over the top antics that all his movies have had in the past. (just say Bad Boys II with Robots in it) Still can't understand the need for E-bay (mentioned at least a dozen times) or the fact that all our technology has to come from aliens, that's been locked up for over a hundred years with some secret Sector 7 watching over it (done at least 100 times), give us humans some dam credit for gods sake. How much of the military played a factor in any of the Tranformers story in the cartoons or books/comics we read as kids. I'd have to say slim to none. The first battle between the Decepticons & the Military was horrible IMHO, just there for the smash em & blast em effect that all his movies have. The Twinkies thing on Air Force one was just a lame attempt at a comical stab at Bush & as if they couldn't see GB robot around Air Force one along with the Autobots outside the kids room. Terrible just Terrible. We learn the Megatron (who's not in the movie until the 3/4 mark just like Starscream) crash landed about a hundred years ago & froze up in the Arctic is now re-located a few short steps away from the Allspark & it will take these glasses to locate him & the Allspark. Totally different from the cartoon (space battle, both crash land on Earth Millions of years ago, to awaken during our time trying to fight to get back to Cybertron, not about the Decepticons taking over Earth) this is rubish, another thing that's off the wall is the glasses, the glasses were not what lead the Decepticons to the Allspark, it was the humans as usual (not like that wasn't coming,lol). So now we have the Decepticons at the Dam with Starcream (who looks great while flying & transforming, but looks nothing like Starscream in robot mode) attempting to break in while Megatron is conviently being thawed out (didn't see that coming.lol) while the Autobots are following the Humans game plan, which I might add is to go into a heavily popluated city with Megatron & company in hot pursuit of the Allspark. (Brilliant writing so Mr. Bay can blow up some more stuff & kill a few more humans in the process) So now were in the city with what were told is Megatron (doesn't look or sound anything like him in either mode) chasing after the Allspark with Starscream at his side (anyone notice no bickering between the two of them or Starscream looking for his chance to take command), not sure why these characters & more didn't have more time to develop. (Must be because the humans took up 90% of the show) So now we have Megatron kill Jazz by ripping him in half on top of the building like he was nothing (must have been done to show how bad he is because his character development was really lacking), Bumblebee is missing a leg & the autobots are getting their butts handed to them until the humans step in a blow some stuff up along with hot chick driving the truck while tripod Bumblebee shoots for her. The kid is being chased by Megatron who can easly tear Jazz apart, but can't catch this super fast kid who can be squashed like an ant by the all powerful Megaton. Optimus saves the day (kid) just in the nick of time to take the Allspark into his chest & somehow Megatron appears to be dead from this or some other blast. (not sure how any blast could kill them being that they can survive entry into Earth while not in a ship. Totally Lame IMHO) The only thing I like about this, was that my son loved it (didn't know anything about the show or anything like that), my best friend thought it could have had a better story with less focus on the kid getting laid & more character develpoment. My favorite characters were Prime & Bubblebee along with the rest of the Autobots, I may have liked the Decepticons if they had more character development & resembled themselves a little more, what little the Autobots had was my reasoning behind my liking them more. As a kid & liked Prime, Bumblebee & Megatron along with Starscream & Soundwave.
This was anything but Tranformers for Shaun & I, seemed like Bad Boys II with robots in it, other than that I hope if someone else does this movie again, they focus less on Humans / getting laid & more on the Autobots & Decepticons story.



Here's something I'd like to know, if Prime now has the Allspark in him, how come he doesn't bring Jazz back, it has the power to give life does it or does it not?

Mad Slanted Powers
07-15-2007, 06:30 PM
Optimus save the day (kid) just in the nick of time to take the Allspark into his chest & somehow Megatron appears to be dead from this or some other blast. (not sure how any blast could kill them being that they can survive entry into Earth while not in a ship.
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Here's something I'd like to know, if Prime now has the Allspark in him, how come he doesn't bring Jazz back, it has the power to give life does it or does it not?I thought Sam stuck the Allspark in Megatron, which is what killed him (if he is truly dead). The question should be why they didn't consider doing that in the first place.

Tycho
07-15-2007, 07:00 PM
While I loved the movie myself, I do question why that worked? (Sticking the AllSpark into Megatron like that?)

There's no basis for Sam knowing that would not result in further disaster. Prime was going to IGNITE his own Spark to blow the AllSpark - so it suggested to me that putting the AllSpark into Prime was not the end of the story. And would Prime let Sam sacrafice Sam's own life in the process? Maybe if it was the last resort, but that's not typical of Optimus - thus I assumed he had to DO SOMETHING with his Spark, the AllSpark, whatever. So why would Sam assume that he could use the AllSpark against Megatron?

Next, why didn't the AllSpark just heal Megatron or make him even more powerful? Again, Sam didn't know what it would do. You're talking about alien technology here, and you have an expert on alien technology you happen to TRUST (Optimus) - so you do exactly what he says!

So yes I can love the movie but find fault with the ending.

DarthBrandon
07-15-2007, 07:02 PM
I thought Sam stuck the Allspark in Megatron, which is what killed him (if he is truly dead). The question should be why they didn't consider doing that in the first place.

Could be that that's true, not sure as it happened so fast & I really don't feel like wasting anymore money on this film, but it did appear that it could have went down that way. This would explain the missing leg & arm when he's dropped in the Laurentian Abyss. Now that I think about it, this makes much more sense.

DarthBrandon
07-15-2007, 07:05 PM
While I loved the movie myself, I do question why that worked? (Sticking the AllSpark into Megatron like that?)

There's no basis for Sam knowing that would not result in further disaster. Prime was going to IGNITE his own Spark to blow the AllSpark - so it suggested to me that putting the AllSpark into Prime was not the end of the story. And would Prime let Sam sacrafice Sam's own life in the process? Maybe if it was the last resort, but that's not typical of Optimus - thus I assumed he had to DO SOMETHING with his Spark, the AllSpark, whatever. So why would Sam assume that he could use the AllSpark against Megatron?

Next, why didn't the AllSpark just heal Megatron or make him even more powerful? Again, Sam didn't know what it would do. You're talking about alien technology here, and you have an expert on alien technology you happen to TRUST (Optimus) - so you do exactly what he says!

So yes I can love the movie but find fault with the ending.

Yes, why didn't it heal him & why not trust Prime? Lots of stuff in this film just doesn't add up.

figrin bran
07-15-2007, 07:39 PM
5 vs. 7, that being the number of Autobots vs. Decepticons barely constitutes a "war". An after school "meet me outside" fight is more like it. If they weren't going to do character development for any of the robots, they might as well given both factions more of an army.

DarthBrandon, you're correct, the plotholes in this film are a plenty! If they could scan different alt modes any time they wanted to, why don't they take advantage of that?

Why doesn't Optimus just hack all the Decepticons, Megs included, with the energon axe?

DarthBrandon
07-15-2007, 07:55 PM
5 vs. 7, that being the number of Autobots vs. Decepticons barely constitutes a "war". An after school "meet me outside" fight is more like it. If they weren't going to do character development for any of the robots, they might as well given both factions more of an army.

DarthBrandon, you're correct, the plotholes in this film are a plenty! If they could scan different alt modes any time they wanted to, why don't they take advantage of that?

True enough, also the fact that Prime kills Bonecrusher (pretty sure that's who it is) with his sword, but when he fights Megatron, he doesn't use the sword WTF. On top of this Bay didn't want to have Megatron transform into a gun because the dynamics or something along those lines did not make sense. (Soundwave is not in the film because of this also) Yet he has a giant cube (the size of a building) transform into a hand held cube, still conflicts with the reasoning behind Megatron transformation. Meh, rubish entirely. If you want mindless action this is it, if you want a decent story that's some what true to the Autobots & Decepticons then perhaps Peter Jackson should have directed this mess. (It would have been ten times better IMHO)

mabudonicus
07-16-2007, 09:40 AM
Geesh, after that it looks like I got my work cut out for me eh?? "Bad boys II with robots, inDEED!!

I'm kinda shocked that the upcoming mabu-review sems to have more hype than the film did, I shall not disappoint. I have been smacking my head against the wall for the past 24 hours to prepare myself. I also recently received 20 DVDs worth of G1 Transformers and have been slowly watching my way through them, making for maximum contrast between the source material and the current incarnation

On a humourous side-note, when I got the G1 collection, I asked Ange to pick one disc out of the set so we could pick one ep to watch(I was only gonna get one out of this viewing) and out of the 20 she actually picked the disc with "countdown to extinction", which of course features Megatron saying the classic "Prime- hold this while I transform.... now LOAD ME!!!!"

SO awesome to hear that again, I really hope the film stands up to the G1 like so many folks have said :beard: Iso & Baws

Some forumites think mebeducks is gonna HATE this film, they're probably right

figrin bran
07-16-2007, 11:48 AM
By watching all the G1 episodes before hand, you're really setting yourself up for a maximum contrast situation!

I also watched some Beast Wars episode before i saw the film, "Code of Hero" and all the "Nemesis" episodes and all of those were more Transformish in feel than the entire movie.

El Chuxter
07-16-2007, 12:48 PM
You should go into one of the larger bookstores and read any of the graphic novels they have on hand, particularly those from IDW (Infiltration, Escalation, Stormbringer, and Spotlight) so you can contrast a good modernization of the source material, too.

It shouldn't take too long to read one.

Tycho
07-16-2007, 01:16 PM
The movie was never intended to represent any of that. It was inspired by it, that's all.

It's like Boba Fett Unleashed: awesome 7" Unleashed figure, but we never saw him escape the Sarlaac in ROTJ. Rather it's inspired.

You can have a preference to G1, the TPB's, or Michael Bay's vision - or like several, as I do - disliking a few certain elements of the movie lore so far (the McGuffin in the AllSpark, for example, and some of the robot designs, Prime's tendancy to not always have his iconic mouth guard up as he did in G1) - that sort of thing.

I look back at the G1 cartoons with great fondness. If I were to make Michael Bay's movie, I would have borrowed from that much more for my inspiration.

However, I enjoyed Bay's movie immensely for what it was and really want to see it again this week. BumbleBee...:love: He actually comes off as more loveable (in a different way) than Megan Fox (Mikaela).

But the Transformers movie rocked.

DarthBrandon
07-16-2007, 07:01 PM
The movie was never intended to represent any of that. It was inspired by it, that's all.

It's like Boba Fett Unleashed: awesome 7" Unleashed figure, but we never saw him escape the Sarlaac in ROTJ. Rather it's inspired.

You can have a preference to G1, the TPB's, or Michael Bay's vision - or like several, as I do - disliking a few certain elements of the movie lore so far (the McGuffin in the AllSpark, for example, and some of the robot designs, Prime's tendancy to not always have his iconic mouth guard up as he did in G1) - that sort of thing.

I look back at the G1 cartoons with great fondness. If I were to make Michael Bay's movie, I would have borrowed from that much more for my inspiration.

However, I enjoyed Bay's movie immensely for what it was and really want to see it again this week. BumbleBee...:love: He actually comes off as more loveable (in a different way) than Megan Fox (Mikaela).

But the Transformers movie rocked.

Everyone's entitled to their own opinion.

My honest opinion is that this was mindless drivel, driven by pure Bad Boy II action type sequences that only Mr Bay can provide time & time again. Forget the good plot or great character development (Transformers lacked both), lets throw in some hotties, talk about getting some chick action along with some great explosions/action sequences & we have a hit on our hands. I could care less how much this films makes, a film with Prime & Co. showing up 1/2 way into the film along with Megatron & Starscream making their appearance 3/4 of the way into this debacle; (IMHO) is in no way shape or form showing good character development. This was a poor attempt at best to bring Transformers to the screen. What we get is lots of mindless action, tons of inconsistencies, a sub-par plot, no development of the key characters (i.e. Transformers on either side) besides humans which are the focus of 90% of the film I might add. This was just as bad as the last 3 Star Wars films & I put it on par with AOTC at best. (Which isn't that good I might add seeing how it is the least favorite of mine)

Tycho
07-16-2007, 07:59 PM
Yeah, the humans were the main focus. I'll agree with that. They had excellent character development though (Sam, Capt. Lennox, Rachael, Glenn, etc.)

That being said, the reason for it was this movie was made for the mainstream audience who didn't even know what a Transformer was before the movie came out.

I suspect the sequel will be much more focused on the Autobots and Decepticons now that WHAT they are has been established.

The mainstream audience is in fact WHAT has driven a lot of the commercial success of this film though. I've had grandmas in the theater each time I've watched it, and they liked it too (and they came with their spouses, not their grandkids).

So this was NOT a movie made for just the fans. Michael Bay didn't promise that. However, he has now created more fans. In the meanwhile, there are elements (Peter Cullen) that old fans can appreciate that will continue on in the shows.

I think it was a good approach.

But maybe you can tell me WHY grandmas aren't rushing to video stores to rent the G1 cartoons? But they do go to this movie?

If the sequel is still focusing on Sam, Secretary Kellar, etc. then I'll be disappointed. But this was exactly what I expected it to be. But then I did have the script almost a year ago.

And by the way, it keeps coming back to Bay when Orci and Kurtzman don't get any blame (or credit). My take on this was Bay was just a hired gun to make the movie that Murphy, Spielberg, etc. bought the rights to along with Orci and Kurtzman's script.

Bay was just offered money to make a movie about "Octopus Mime versus Megawatt" and it was enough money and a good lure for a sequel franchise so he could pretend he's like Spielberg or Lucas or something.

DarthBrandon
07-16-2007, 08:30 PM
Yeah, the humans were the main focus. I'll agree with that. They had excellent character development though (Sam, Capt. Lennox, Rachael, Glenn, etc.)

That being said, the reason for it was this movie was made for the mainstream audience who didn't even know what a Transformer was before the movie came out.

I suspect the sequel will be much more focused on the Autobots and Decepticons now that WHAT they are has been established.

The mainstream audience is in fact WHAT has driven a lot of the commercial success of this film though. I've had grandmas in the theater each time I've watched it, and they liked it too (and they came with their spouses, not their grandkids).

So this was NOT a movie made for just the fans. Michael Bay didn't promise that. However, he has now created more fans. In the meanwhile, there are elements (Peter Cullen) that old fans can appreciate that will continue on in the shows.

I think it was a good approach.

But maybe you can tell me WHY grandmas aren't rushing to video stores to rent the G1 cartoons? But they do go to this movie?

If the sequel is still focusing on Sam, Secretary Kellar, etc. then I'll be disappointed. But this was exactly what I expected it to be. But then I did have the script almost a year ago.

And by the way, it keeps coming back to Bay when Orci and Kurtzman don't get any blame (or credit). My take on this was Bay was just a hired gun to make the movie that Murphy, Spielberg, etc. bought the rights to along with Orci and Kurtzman's script.

Bay was just offered money to make a movie about "Octopus Mime versus Megawatt" and it was enough money and a good lure for a sequel franchise so he could pretend he's like Spielberg or Lucas or something.

Not sure why Grandma & Co were at the movie, poor choice possibly, I'm not them so I can't speak for them. I also cannot tell you why grandma is not out rushing to rent Transformers cartoons. I can guess that most are past cartoons at their age. I am by no means a Transformer fan, I just know that in order to make a movie & call it Transformers, you really need a good story (Orci and Kurtzman's script was not) with Transformers in it, which this movie lacked IMHO. The introduction to characters (Transformers) & their development are key in the first film, it establishes their very being, it's not something that should show up in the second film. I would like to point out that while you may disagree, the bulk of the first couple of days comes from the hardcore fans, not the mainstream audience. (This is my opinion) Just like with any of the Star Wars films, these are the guys & gals that first filled the seats. I agree that the main character development was focused on the humans, not great but it did the job well enough to establish just who they were. This may have been a Spielberg etc Venture, but please don't even try to think Bay's trying to pretend like he's Spielberg, he's more on par with Lucas than anything. (i.e. Great visualization while the rest of the film goes down the crapper) This film could have been a lot better than what it was, that's all I'm going to say at this point & it's only my opinion. My nine year old loved it BTW.

darko666
07-16-2007, 11:30 PM
but please don't even try to think Bay's trying to pretend like he's Spielberg, he's more on par with Lucas than anything.

very true, but at least with Lucas, he doesn't have the camera zoom in and shake and make it look like a handheld shot when all the visuals fill up the screen. with Lucas we might have been able to see the fights instead of just seeing tinfoil mash together.

figrin bran
07-17-2007, 01:01 AM
And at least with Lucas, when the music score is rather dramatic, it's been built up already by the respective scenes. In this film you often hear the dramatic themes in situations that were not filmed/directed/written well enough to warrant such a score.

Btw, there was this one theme in the movie that sounded awfully derivative of some of the POTC theme music, at least by my reckoning.

JediTricks
07-17-2007, 01:08 AM
Richard Roeper gave it a thumbs up this weekend, then basically told the temp co-reviewer who found it boring and awful that he was supposed to turn his brain in at the door... oy. The temp co-reviewer pointed out something about the dialogue for the TFs that I hadn't put my finger on before, that these robots - especially Prime - say goofy modern terms like "my bad" then later use formal language like "One shall stand, one shall fall" and the 2 didn't mesh together for the characters (and he knew it was an homage to the cartoon movie, but felt it still a valid point).


I wasn't really defending Bumb's line there, just saying that I already thought the movie was really goofy and dumb so I didn't think it was out of place.

If the movie had something serious going for it before that, then yeah it would have seemed effed up but like I said in another page, when that police car starting screaming at the kid about eBay I pretty much took the whole movie as a joke. lolHmm... ok, I see what you mean. I don't think the line ITSELF was cartoony though, just the application of it.

BTW, I thought Barricade screaming at Sam was one of the only really effective human/TF interactions, it just was preceded by dopiness and finished with junk.


Why does Barricade in car mode have his headlights stick out into those weird things when he's scaring Sam? His whole front end sorta turns into Frenzy's weird stalk eyes.



That prologue was really, really weak. It wouldn't been a perfect opportunity for a Fellowship of the Ring-ish styled prologue on the Autobots/Decepticons conflict on Cybertron and it would've established Megs as this all powerful conqueror. Instead we get Megs as a robotic Encino Man who is filled with rage, or so we're told.Good point, and awesome ref! Was it intentional that you referenced LOTR which had Sean Astin in a starring role and then Encino Man which also had him in a starring role?



This really begins to show Bays true film making skills, hot half naked chicks, lots of explosions, master-(figure out the rest), Autobots (Bumblebee) trying to help Sam Witwicky get laid, WTF is this lame ***** carp. Geeze took my best friend to tell my son that Master (figure out the rest) meant up to no good, so he'd be quiet & watch the rest of the carpola film. This Bay action extravaganza (Pearl Harbor, Armageddon) & that's just what it is, resembles nothing of Autobots & Decepticons from when we were kids & beyond, this is a hyped up bay version filled with all the perverse & over the top antics that all his movies have had in the past. (just say Bad Boys II with Robots in it) Still can't understand the need for E-bay (mentioned at least a dozen times)Bay's films actually don't have that many "hot chicks", usually it's 1 or 2, and this movie was the same - though I have to say this was easily the least believable, the difference between 21 and 17 for Megan Fox is immense most of the time - how many years was she held back a grade?!?

Ebay doesn't need any exposure, they're a household name, but either they paid for product placement, or the writers needed to continuously reference it to remind the audience why Barricade and Bumblebee are both stalking Sam. If our choices are "crass" vs "lazy", I suspect it's actually the latter, but they could have said "online auction"... of course, why they didn't just BUY the f***ing glasses at auction is totally beyond me. Oh, right, then the damn movie wouldn't have Shia LeBouf acting like a dorky jerk all the time.


or the fact that all our technology has to come from aliens, that's been locked up for over a hundred years with some secret Sector 7 watching over it (done at least 100 times), give us humans some dam credit for gods sake.Yeah, that chestnut is so played out, I hate it for the same reason.


So now we have Megatron kill Jazz by ripping him in half on top of the building like he was nothing (must have been done to show how bad he is because his character development was really lacking)I think you nailed it!


The kid is being chased by Megatron who can easly tear Jazz apart, but can't catch this super fast kid who can be squashed like an ant by the all powerful Megaton.HAW! Yeah, that part killed me, Sam enters the empty building and goes up one flight of stairs with Megs smashing through the stairwell beneath him, Sam looks up and sees all those stairs to climb - cinematic language suggesting there's no WAY he can outrun Megs - then next thing we know Sam's at the top and a few minutes later Megs blasts through the roof like he was just taking the stairs too... that crap only works when the villain chasing is a human and not a GIANT ROBOT WHO WAS SMASHING HIS WAY THROUGH THE BUILDING A SECOND AGO.

What really worries me Brandon is that you've seen Bad Boys II, as if the first one wasn't awful enough to keep you away. :p



While I loved the movie myself, I do question why that worked? (Sticking the AllSpark into Megatron like that?)

There's no basis for Sam knowing that would not result in further disaster. Prime was going to IGNITE his own Spark to blow the AllSpark - so it suggested to me that putting the AllSpark into Prime was not the end of the story. And would Prime let Sam sacrafice Sam's own life in the process? Maybe if it was the last resort, but that's not typical of Optimus - thus I assumed he had to DO SOMETHING with his Spark, the AllSpark, whatever. So why would Sam assume that he could use the AllSpark against Megatron?

Next, why didn't the AllSpark just heal Megatron or make him even more powerful? Again, Sam didn't know what it would do. You're talking about alien technology here, and you have an expert on alien technology you happen to TRUST (Optimus) - so you do exactly what he says!

So yes I can love the movie but find fault with the ending.Yeah, it made NO sense at all, and Megs just stayed there taking this blast instead of moving away so it made no sense TWICE. It basically should have resulted in this:
- Optimus creepily yelling to jam the Allspark into his chest;
- Sam looks at Megs' chest and guesses it'd kill Megs;
- Sam thrusts the Allspark under Megs' chest;
- Megs grabs and squashes Sam, says "Thanks" and rules the universe.

As for Prime, he didn't seem to care all that much about the humans, he let that brawl downtown get way out of hand, he put everybody in danger grabbing the Sector 7 SUVs like that, and he didn't care at all about the guys in the downed helicopter flying right by him. Then again, he didn't warn Bonecrusher before he killed him brutally either.



5 vs. 7, that being the number of Autobots vs. Decepticons barely constitutes a "war". An after school "meet me outside" fight is more like it. If they weren't going to do character development for any of the robots, they might as well given both factions more of an army. Excellent point! And it's especially embarrassing that the Autobots are all significantly smaller and worse-armed than the majority of the Decepticons - it's like the Lakers vs the Loyola Marymount girls basketball team, and they're down a player.


If they could scan different alt modes any time they wanted to, why don't they take advantage of that?

Why doesn't Optimus just hack all the Decepticons, Megs included, with the energon axe?Totally! And why doesn't Megs just rip all the Autobot soldiers in half? That's a convoluted plot device for both, they overpowered them and then use it only once.



I'm kinda shocked that the upcoming mabu-review sems to have more hype than the film did, I shall not disappoint.Well, if you're review is anything like the movie, it will disappoint. ;)



By watching all the G1 episodes before hand, you're really setting yourself up for a maximum contrast situation!

I also watched some Beast Wars episode before i saw the film, "Code of Hero" and all the "Nemesis" episodes and all of those were more Transformish in feel than the entire movie.Dude, I was going to say that about the contrast as well! :D

There's more TF in the opening title sequences and end credits to the G1 cartoon and the Beast Era shows than in this movie.



The movie was never intended to represent any of that. It was inspired by it, that's all.And yet the movie feels devoid of inspiration whatsoever.



I could care less how much this films makes, a film with Prime & Co. showing up 1/2 way into the film along with Megatron & Starscream making their appearance 3/4 of the way into this debacleThe Autobots arrive exactly 1 hour in, and the first big scene they do after their arrival is a particularly awful schticky mess that is way out of character in the Witwicky home's back yard. Then again, Megatron's first line in the movie is the brilliant "I am Megatron" once defrosted after thousands of years in the ice, and Starscream's first line is... nonexistent?

What kills me is that it's not even a good Bay movie, it's got the worst pacing and bad editing, the story takes way too long to get back to the action, the action is stale most of the time, the car chase that should have been awesome was piddling, and the soundtrack was actually somehow lamer than his usual drivel.



Yeah, the humans were the main focus. I'll agree with that. They had excellent character development though (Sam, Capt. Lennox, Rachael, Glenn, etc.)Alright, stop, no, stop right there. What does Sam really learn? Does he sacrifice to achieve victory? Not really, he's still kinda selfish by the end, and we saw him be cautiously brave in the beginning of the film with the jock and picking up Mikela.

Where is the character development for Captain Lennox, whom I don't even think got a first name? He seems to be the same exact dude we meet at the beginning of the film, thinking on his feet and giving out orders, we know he's good to his guys and wants to get back to his kid - most of his guys die and he eventually gets back to his kid, but does he learn or develop at all? No.

Rachael, she's developed so much as a character that you didn't even get her name right - the actress is Rachael Taylor, the character is Maggie Madsen. Who is she? Generic sexy Aussie hacker. What does she do? Make ridiculous leaps in logic and take important secrets to another hacker outside of the Pentagon - if he's so good, why isn't he at the Pentagon? How does she develop? ... What happens to her at the end of the film? ....

Glen, how is he a developed character at all? He's the generic fat funny black guy, only he's also a hacker, he eats all the donuts and then plays tough but punks out immediately. He's a hacker, except we never see him say or do anything smart beyond hit a keyboard and the computer jumps to the work. What does he learn by the end? ... What even happens to him? We never find out.

Who is the defense secretary as a person and what are his motives? We get almost no moments of understanding of the character whatsoever.

What other humans have character development? Mikela is the closest, and she doesn't actually grow or change as a person, she merely admits her convoluted secret (Sam by the way is a real jerk to her about this, some character development for him!) and looks peeved when Sam wants to help with the Allspark, then she decides to help Bumblebee get back in the fight and becomes the most amazing backwards-driver ever! But she's still incredibly thin as a character by the end, we know she's got hotwiring skills, she claims to be good wrenching on cars but we don't really see this, we know her daddy is a car thief, we know she's somehow in high school despite being totally unbelievable for the part, and we know that she ends up with Sam for... some poorly-disclosed reason.


The mainstream audience is in fact WHAT has driven a lot of the commercial success of this film though. I've had grandmas in the theater each time I've watched it, and they liked it too (and they came with their spouses, not their grandkids).Mainstream audiences largely go to any and every heavily-hyped Bay film no matter what it's about, and they often come out of the theaters from them feeling that they "liked" it, but keep in mind that when you ask them that a few months later they often say the really didn't like it anymore, it was just good enough for a few hours in the theater and then it loses its value - like fast food, it tastes good at first but it leaves you feeling bloated and fat and greasy and constipated.


So this was NOT a movie made for just the fans. Michael Bay didn't promise that. However, he has now created more fans. Fans of WHAT though? This isn't Transformers in almost any way.


And by the way, it keeps coming back to Bay when Orci and Kurtzman don't get any blame (or credit). My take on this was Bay was just a hired gun to make the movie that Murphy, Spielberg, etc. bought the rights to along with Orci and Kurtzman's script.That's dead wrong. Spielberg is the key player in the Exec Producer grouping, he brought Bay in, and he is the one who gave Bay the reins. Bay is the chief producer, he produced, directed, and co-edited the film; he also told the screenwriters how to change the script - he wanted a MYRIAD of changes to fit his singular visions that had nothing to do with Transformers and he largely got them - and Bay is the one who was satisfied with their screenwriting instead of tossing them on their ear and hiring someone less hacky, so Bay is ultimately who to blame for the framework of this film's plot being so horrid. Bay is the helmer, there's a reason he's got his name above the title, it is "a Michael Bay film" in every way in production, it was under his control from the minute he came on until it hit theaters - it was even his decision to largely ignore other producers input on making it less awful and more true to the source material.

figrin bran
07-17-2007, 01:43 AM
Good point, and awesome ref! Was it intentional that you referenced LOTR which had Sean Astin in a starring role and then Encino Man which also had him in a starring role

I'd like to say that it was intentional but it's been a long, long time since I've seen Encino Man and I've forgotten that Sean Astin is in it.

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned yet but with Megs frozen for so long, you'd think the Decepticons would've closed the book on trying to find him anymore. The Starscream we all know definitely would've taken over as the 'Con Commander and never let go of that position, even were Megs to show up again. "noooooooo! IIIIII am the Decepticon leeeeeeeeadddeerr!".

Tycho, I think you're equating "character development" with amount of screentime. Usually that's a safe bet to take but in this instance, just about every character is the same person that you see at the beginning of the movie. There's no Luke Skywalker journey of discovery for any of them, i'm afraid.

El Chuxter
07-17-2007, 02:53 AM
It'd be funny if Transformers 2: The Quest for More Money opens with Megatron interrupting Starscream's coronation, and telling him it's "bad comedy."

DarthBrandon
07-17-2007, 08:33 AM
Richard Roeper gave it a thumbs up this weekend, then basically told the temp co-reviewer who found it boring and awful that he was supposed to turn his brain in at the door... oy. The temp co-reviewer pointed out something about the dialogue for the TFs that I hadn't put my finger on before, that these robots - especially Prime - say goofy modern terms like "my bad" then later use formal language like "One shall stand, one shall fall" and the 2 didn't mesh together for the characters (and he knew it was an homage to the cartoon movie, but felt it still a valid point).

Hmm... ok, I see what you mean. I don't think the line ITSELF was cartoony though, just the application of it.

BTW, I thought Barricade screaming at Sam was one of the only really effective human/TF interactions, it just was preceded by dopiness and finished with junk.


Why does Barricade in car mode have his headlights stick out into those weird things when he's scaring Sam? His whole front end sorta turns into Frenzy's weird stalk eyes.


Good point, and awesome ref! Was it intentional that you referenced LOTR which had Sean Astin in a starring role and then Encino Man which also had him in a starring role?


Bay's films actually don't have that many "hot chicks", usually it's 1 or 2, and this movie was the same - though I have to say this was easily the least believable, the difference between 21 and 17 for Megan Fox is immense most of the time - how many years was she held back a grade?!?

Ebay doesn't need any exposure, they're a household name, but either they paid for product placement, or the writers needed to continuously reference it to remind the audience why Barricade and Bumblebee are both stalking Sam. If our choices are "crass" vs "lazy", I suspect it's actually the latter, but they could have said "online auction"... of course, why they didn't just BUY the f***ing glasses at auction is totally beyond me. Oh, right, then the damn movie wouldn't have Shia LeBouf acting like a dorky jerk all the time.

Yeah, that chestnut is so played out, I hate it for the same reason.

I think you nailed it!

HAW! Yeah, that part killed me, Sam enters the empty building and goes up one flight of stairs with Megs smashing through the stairwell beneath him, Sam looks up and sees all those stairs to climb - cinematic language suggesting there's no WAY he can outrun Megs - then next thing we know Sam's at the top and a few minutes later Megs blasts through the roof like he was just taking the stairs too... that crap only works when the villain chasing is a human and not a GIANT ROBOT WHO WAS SMASHING HIS WAY THROUGH THE BUILDING A SECOND AGO.

What really worries me Brandon is that you've seen Bad Boys II, as if the first one wasn't awful enough to keep you away. :p


Yeah, it made NO sense at all, and Megs just stayed there taking this blast instead of moving away so it made no sense TWICE. It basically should have resulted in this:
- Optimus creepily yelling to jam the Allspark into his chest;
- Sam looks at Megs' chest and guesses it'd kill Megs;
- Sam thrusts the Allspark under Megs' chest;
- Megs grabs and squashes Sam, says "Thanks" and rules the universe.

As for Prime, he didn't seem to care all that much about the humans, he let that brawl downtown get way out of hand, he put everybody in danger grabbing the Sector 7 SUVs like that, and he didn't care at all about the guys in the downed helicopter flying right by him. Then again, he didn't warn Bonecrusher before he killed him brutally either.


Excellent point! And it's especially embarrassing that the Autobots are all significantly smaller and worse-armed than the majority of the Decepticons - it's like the Lakers vs the Loyola Marymount girls basketball team, and they're down a player.

Totally! And why doesn't Megs just rip all the Autobot soldiers in half? That's a convoluted plot device for both, they overpowered them and then use it only once.


Well, if you're review is anything like the movie, it will disappoint. ;)


Dude, I was going to say that about the contrast as well! :D

There's more TF in the opening title sequences and end credits to the G1 cartoon and the Beast Era shows than in this movie.


And yet the movie feels devoid of inspiration whatsoever.


The Autobots arrive exactly 1 hour in, and the first big scene they do after their arrival is a particularly awful schticky mess that is way out of character in the Witwicky home's back yard. Then again, Megatron's first line in the movie is the brilliant "I am Megatron" once defrosted after thousands of years in the ice, and Starscream's first line is... nonexistent?

What kills me is that it's not even a good Bay movie, it's got the worst pacing and bad editing, the story takes way too long to get back to the action, the action is stale most of the time, the car chase that should have been awesome was piddling, and the soundtrack was actually somehow lamer than his usual drivel.


Alright, stop, no, stop right there. What does Sam really learn? Does he sacrifice to achieve victory? Not really, he's still kinda selfish by the end, and we saw him be cautiously brave in the beginning of the film with the jock and picking up Mikela.

Where is the character development for Captain Lennox, whom I don't even think got a first name? He seems to be the same exact dude we meet at the beginning of the film, thinking on his feet and giving out orders, we know he's good to his guys and wants to get back to his kid - most of his guys die and he eventually gets back to his kid, but does he learn or develop at all? No.

Rachael, she's developed so much as a character that you didn't even get her name right - the actress is Rachael Taylor, the character is Maggie Madsen. Who is she? Generic sexy Aussie hacker. What does she do? Make ridiculous leaps in logic and take important secrets to another hacker outside of the Pentagon - if he's so good, why isn't he at the Pentagon? How does she develop? ... What happens to her at the end of the film? ....

Glen, how is he a developed character at all? He's the generic fat funny black guy, only he's also a hacker, he eats all the donuts and then plays tough but punks out immediately. He's a hacker, except we never see him say or do anything smart beyond hit a keyboard and the computer jumps to the work. What does he learn by the end? ... What even happens to him? We never find out.

Who is the defense secretary as a person and what are his motives? We get almost no moments of understanding of the character whatsoever.

What other humans have character development? Mikela is the closest, and she doesn't actually grow or change as a person, she merely admits her convoluted secret (Sam by the way is a real jerk to her about this, some character development for him!) and looks peeved when Sam wants to help with the Allspark, then she decides to help Bumblebee get back in the fight and becomes the most amazing backwards-driver ever! But she's still incredibly thin as a character by the end, we know she's got hotwiring skills, she claims to be good wrenching on cars but we don't really see this, we know her daddy is a car thief, we know she's somehow in high school despite being totally unbelievable for the part, and we know that she ends up with Sam for... some poorly-disclosed reason.

Mainstream audiences largely go to any and every heavily-hyped Bay film no matter what it's about, and they often come out of the theaters from them feeling that they "liked" it, but keep in mind that when you ask them that a few months later they often say the really didn't like it anymore, it was just good enough for a few hours in the theater and then it loses its value - like fast food, it tastes good at first but it leaves you feeling bloated and fat and greasy and constipated.

Fans of WHAT though? This isn't Transformers in almost any way.

That's dead wrong. Spielberg is the key player in the Exec Producer grouping, he brought Bay in, and he is the one who gave Bay the reins. Bay is the chief producer, he produced, directed, and co-edited the film; he also told the screenwriters how to change the script - he wanted a MYRIAD of changes to fit his singular visions that had nothing to do with Transformers and he largely got them - and Bay is the one who was satisfied with their screenwriting instead of tossing them on their ear and hiring someone less hacky, so Bay is ultimately who to blame for the framework of this film's plot being so horrid. Bay is the helmer, there's a reason he's got his name above the title, it is "a Michael Bay film" in every way in production, it was under his control from the minute he came on until it hit theaters - it was even his decision to largely ignore other producers input on making it less awful and more true to the source material.


Well said JT, I hope you'll forgive me for the the Bad Boys II viewing, sometimes when nothing is on late at night you have no other choice.:D

Droid
07-17-2007, 11:05 AM
Optimus said, "My bad?"

figrin bran
07-17-2007, 11:44 AM
Optimus said, "My bad?"

Yes, but since that isn't even one of the low points of the film of which there are many, i gave it a free pass. :p

El Chuxter
07-18-2007, 01:17 AM
Optimus said, "My bad"? And it's not a low point of the movie?

And some of you seriously wonder why I don't want to drop $15+ to see this?

Rocketboy
07-18-2007, 02:36 AM
Yes, but since that isn't even one of the low points of the film of which there are many, i gave it a free pass. :pYou make it sound like there isn't a low point to the movie.
















Mabs is in a coma after seeing Transformers.
Pray for him.

figrin bran
07-18-2007, 03:02 AM
You make it sound like there isn't a low point to the movie.

Mabs is in a coma after seeing Transformers.
Pray for him.

So you missed the part where i said "of which there are many"? The "my bad" isn't even as egregious as some of the other low points. I'd go into detail but we've pretty much bashed everything we could possibly bash and frankly, i don't want to give it any further thought. put it this way, we've put more thought into ripping this film apart than the producers did in bringing in into fruition.

Come on Mabs, you gotta snap out of it!

Mad Slanted Powers
07-18-2007, 03:08 AM
Optimus said, "My bad"? And it's not a low point of the movie?

And some of you seriously wonder why I don't want to drop $15+ to see this?What theater charges $15? I only paid $6.50 for the matinee. The evening show would only be $8.75.

JediTricks
07-18-2007, 04:48 AM
Well said JT, I hope you'll forgive me for the the Bad Boys II viewing, sometimes when nothing is on late at night you have no other choice.:DThat's why kids join gangs... to get away from having to see Bay films when they have nothing else to do. :p


Optimus said, "My bad?"
Yes, but since that isn't even one of the low points of the film of which there are many, i gave it a free pass. :pDude, that got a real laugh out of me! Sadly, you're right, and I loathe the phrase in general so the movie must be REALLY awful to get me to not find it a major low point.


Optimus said, "My bad"? And it's not a low point of the movie?

And some of you seriously wonder why I don't want to drop $15+ to see this?There's a GM commercial in rotation on TV right now with the line in it, they changed the scene so he falls on some dude's yellow Chevy dinky crapmobile and utters the movie line, it's painful


You make it sound like there isn't a low point to the movie.The problem is that it's like calculating how much vacuum there is in the universe, it just keeps on sucking worse and worse the more you look.


What theater charges $15? I only paid $6.50 for the matinee. The evening show would only be $8.75.I paid $5 for the matinee, I think he's talking about paying for parking and snacks but I could be wrong. The most expensive theater I know of is the Arclight Cinema here in Hollywood, $14 a ticket. Apparently, they were charging $25 a ticket for the first 10 days of Dreamgirls last year, but I don't think that experiment took off.

Mad Slanted Powers
07-18-2007, 10:16 AM
I paid $5 for the matinee, I think he's talking about paying for parking and snacks but I could be wrong.Bah! Only fools buy food at the theater. I didn't have to pay for parking at the mall.

El Chuxter
07-18-2007, 11:21 AM
Two tickets, actually.

mabudonicus
07-18-2007, 12:02 PM
Back among the living, Fellows, thanks for the prayers and rituals- I got home around 1:30 last night and had to play San Andreas for a while to cool off.

I'm still dizzy from the stupid way that POS was presented- it's like someone stole EVERY tripod and camera mount off the production while preliminary photography was just getting underway.

The much vaunted "transformations" were RIDICULOUS on the big screen. I couldn't believe how bad that stuff looked, I had only seen small wmvs of it so far and figured it would somehow "sort itself out", but no, somehow in "huge" format it looked even dumber than I could have guessed, just a crap-storm of junk flying apart, twirling about and then loosely coming back together to make the "robots"

I figured that, with what I would consider an above-average eye for details, and 20+ years of watching Giant Robot animations, I would have had a slightly better chance of somehow making sense of the "combat" scenes, but this was not to be either. The "fight scenes" were SO hard to make ANY sense of that I actually started wishing that the "robots" would just stop being in the film so I could recover from all that crazy editing.

I had also been somehow hoping that people were just being "negative" about the totaly lack of interaction between Starscream and Megatron, and that there was maybe some stuff they'd missed, but wrong again, they really DID only have one super-fleeting exchange- I was almost ready to try and get pumped when "Starscream" first appeared, but once he and "Megatron" had their little flyby I was actualy kinda ticked off even more.

The "Frenzy" "character" was more annoying than Jar Jar by leagues. I actually wanted to reach into the film and smash the thing into a million MORE pieces than it was comprised of. The plebes laughing at the "antics" of the poorly rendered POS made me even more furious somehow, tho, the ultimate dot on the "i"

Another oddity, I thought, was that not only was the CG stuff for the "robots" pi$$-poor, but several of the establishing shots featuring helicopters etc also looked like pure carp, with foreground elements floating all over the friggin place like there was some kind of bubble on the master print that kept them from adhering, really looked like crap

A piece of cheese that no-one has mentioned so far- when the "marines" or whatever they are finally get the camera into the hands of the "Higher Ups" and they compare it with that "mars footage" or whatever, the MAIN similarity between the two shots seemed to be the location of the sun and the lens-flare, cos the "object" that was in both pics was pretty much totally indistinguishable- the conclusion I drew from the side-by-side was "Wow, Michael Bay also directed the Mars rover mission!!!"

And I stick by my original theory, that there was indeed some kind of subsonic trickery, perhaps combined with the insane shaky-cam, that left people mentally confused and anxious, but which resolved itself and let the audience feel "satisfied" by the end of it

The "BOOOM BOOM" rumbling, all carefully paced, seemd to be happening throughout the entire film in a highly strategic move- even in scenes where no "robots" were implied, the "drums in the Deep" effect kept going, helping the folks know how they were supposed to feel- the payoffs were obvious, too. I was the ONLY person in the WHOLE BUILDING laughing at what were probably the funniest parts of the film (personal fave line "Sector Seven?? Never heard of it" with the totally idiotic yet ingenius response "Never Will" uttered in that "serious" manner that "adults" seem to like so much- right there I knew tha audience was mouth-breathers by and large, as they took the "tone" of the line as the meaning and thus somehow didn't even notice what was a damn funny joke)

Then we have the "awakening" that the cube/spark brought on- that whole sequence somehow recalled to me the "middle eight" of that horrid "Godzilla" travesty from a few years back. It really seemd like it had NOTHING to do with the film, but even the tools in charge realized that an "invasion" by like 4 robots (there were only like 4 bad guy robots by that time right??) was really sucky and that maybe by tossing in a few minutes worth of "pointless, faceless secondary characters wreaking cheesy havoc" folks wouldn't notice that there were hardly any robots in it throughout. Mountain Dew machine my arse!!

SOOO much to really hate about the film... OH and a final note, towards the end the compositing of the 'bots with the rest of the film REALLY dropped off- there was one overhead shot in particular where some kind of robot fell flat on it's back (I'd figure, it's hard to tell which ways up in the film mostly) into a group of humans and it looked like a scene outta 200 motels, like 2 totally different films shot on different stock and all were superimposed briefly to give a who knows what kind of "effect"

What a screaming turd- had it been a GoBots movie, it really would have been funny how bad it sucked, but with the "Transformers" name on it, it was just sad
:beard: Iso & Baws

Mabs ain't seeing that again for a LOOONG time

Tycho
07-18-2007, 12:18 PM
The strange thing is that I can agree with everything Mabs pointed out that he didn't like, yet I loved the movie! I've seen it 3 times now and want to see it again (but I'm busy attending the Padres series against the Mets right at the moment, so it's going to wait until after that.)

But I totally dig this movie and have a lot of fun watching it.

I'm willing to entertain the theory that I was pre-determined to like it if some of you all were willing to entertain the theory that you were pre-determined to hate it.

Rocketboy
07-18-2007, 12:24 PM
Thank God you've pulled through!

And that review was well worth the wait.
:mabs:

darthvyn
07-18-2007, 12:47 PM
I'm willing to entertain the theory that I was pre-determined to like it if some of you all were willing to entertain the theory that you were pre-determined to hate it.

why would life-time fans be pre-determined to hate something they've been waiting their entire lives for? the hate was earned and well-justified as item after item of evidence of the suckiness of the flick piled up. when i first heard of a live-action transformers i was like "frikkin' sweet!" then i heard bay's name attached and i was like "hrm... well, i enjoyed armageddon." then i saw the stuff that leaked out and i was like "oh, well."

El Chuxter
07-18-2007, 01:06 PM
there was one overhead shot in particular where some kind of robot fell flat on it's back (I'd figure, it's hard to tell which ways up in the film mostly) into a group of humans and it looked like a scene outta 200 motels

At least Prime didn't say the planet was liked a sealed tuna sandwich. Right? Right? Please say I'm right.

Tycho
07-18-2007, 01:30 PM
"I am Optimus Prime, leader of the Autobots. We are an advanced race of robotic beings from Cyberton. Our homeworld was like a big, sealed tuna sandwich in space."

I tried that out Chux. It doesn't work.

JediTricks
07-18-2007, 04:51 PM
Bah! Only fools buy food at the theater. I didn't have to pay for parking at the mall.I do, nearly always. I loves me the theater popcorn and hot dogs! Plus, concessions are the only way theaters like mine (The Vista, one of the last unspoiled Hollywood movie palaces) can make money on new movies because so much of the box office goes to the studios in the first weeks.

And seeing a movie at the mall is a waste of a movie to me, I hate mall theaters. I've been in some with 2 rows of seats, like 16 seats total, HORRIBLE.


Back among the living, Fellows, thanks for the prayers and rituals- I got home around 1:30 last night and had to play San Andreas for a while to cool off.Pretending every victim was Michael Bay and the writers and producers? ;)


The much vaunted "transformations" were RIDICULOUS on the big screen. I couldn't believe how bad that stuff looked, I had only seen small wmvs of it so far and figured it would somehow "sort itself out", but no, somehow in "huge" format it looked even dumber than I could have guessed, just a crap-storm of junk flying apart, twirling about and then loosely coming back together to make the "robots"Totally agree! And they're claiming that was figured out with a special computer algorithm because they wanted it so complex.


A piece of cheese that no-one has mentioned so far- when the "marines" or whatever they are finally get the camera into the hands of the "Higher Ups" and they compare it with that "mars footage" or whatever, the MAIN similarity between the two shots seemed to be the location of the sun and the lens-flare, cos the "object" that was in both pics was pretty much totally indistinguishable- the conclusion I drew from the side-by-side was "Wow, Michael Bay also directed the Mars rover mission!!!"I forgot to dump on that, but great point! This amazing evidence that MUST get to the Pentagon turns out to be a silhouette of a "something" that matches another silhouette!

BTW, that Mars Beagle 2 rover bit was ridiculous, the Beagle was sent up by the European space agency not NASA, and didn't have wheels, and there are no blue skies and fluffy clouds like that on Mars.


And I stick by my original theory, that there was indeed some kind of subsonic trickery, perhaps combined with the insane shaky-cam, that left people mentally confused and anxious, but which resolved itself and let the audience feel "satisfied" by the end of itSounds plausible to me, good call Mabs!


Then we have the "awakening" that the cube/spark brought on- that whole sequence somehow recalled to me the "middle eight" of that horrid "Godzilla" travesty from a few years back. It really seemd like it had NOTHING to do with the film, but even the tools in charge realized that an "invasion" by like 4 robots (there were only like 4 bad guy robots by that time right??) was really sucky and that maybe by tossing in a few minutes worth of "pointless, faceless secondary characters wreaking cheesy havoc" folks wouldn't notice that there were hardly any robots in it throughout. Mountain Dew machine my arse!!We had seen Barricade, Blackout, Scorponok, Frenzy, and Megs at that point, but Megs was comatose so yeah, 4 baddies.



The strange thing is that I can agree with everything Mabs pointed out that he didn't like, yet I loved the movie! I've seen it 3 times now and want to see it again (but I'm busy attending the Padres series against the Mets right at the moment, so it's going to wait until after that.)

But I totally dig this movie and have a lot of fun watching it.

I'm willing to entertain the theory that I was pre-determined to like it if some of you all were willing to entertain the theory that you were pre-determined to hate it.No, you were pre-determined to like it because you willed it to be so, because you love the Transformers and wanted it to be good. We weren't pre-determined to hate it for a similar reason, we don't hate Transformers and we wouldn't will ourselves to hate it. I would also argue we weren't determined to hate it when we went into the theaters, we wanted to like it, but I will give you that we were inclined to dislike it. What's the difference? Well, we were inclined to dislike it based on the EVIDENCE that came out before the film's release, things we knew about the film that looked bad.

Mad Slanted Powers
07-18-2007, 08:19 PM
I do, nearly always. I loves me the theater popcorn and hot dogs! Plus, concessions are the only way theaters like mine (The Vista, one of the last unspoiled Hollywood movie palaces) can make money on new movies because so much of the box office goes to the studios in the first weeks.What I'd like to know is where all the advertising money is going. Before the previews start, there are 20 minutes of Regal First Look with a bunch of ads in between. I'm not sure when they started doing that here, but I'm thinking that when Episode I was released, they might have just had slides with ads and trivia on them. Matinee prices have more than doubled since 1998. I don't mind the ads and the promo program since it helps pass the time before the movie starts and sometimes it is interesting. I just think that it's odd that the prices have risen so much when there should be more ad revenue coming in. Plus, lower prices might bring more people in and actually produce more revenue.


And seeing a movie at the mall is a waste of a movie to me, I hate mall theaters. I've been in some with 2 rows of seats, like 16 seats total, HORRIBLE.Now that I think about it, I didn't see it at the mall, but the theater at Bellis Fair Mall is better than the Sunset Square Cinema where I saw Transformers. Rather than have two aisles with seats on the left, right and center, Sunset has one aisle down the middle. The theaters aren't too big. The seats weren't as comfortable as the ones at the mall. Sehome Cinemas is the best of the three multiplexes we have, at least in terms of size. It's the oldest of the three, so it was built before they started making all of these rinky-dink theaters. If I were to drive down to the Cascade Mall in Burlington/Mt.Vernon, I think they might have fewer seats than Sunset in each theater, but they are nice seats with the stadium layout so it's less likely to have someone blocking your view.

figrin bran
07-18-2007, 11:02 PM
The strange thing is that I can agree with everything Mabs pointed out that he didn't like, yet I loved the movie! I've seen it 3 times now and want to see it again (but I'm busy attending the Padres series against the Mets right at the moment, so it's going to wait until after that.)

But I totally dig this movie and have a lot of fun watching it.

I'm willing to entertain the theory that I was pre-determined to like it if some of you all were willing to entertain the theory that you were pre-determined to hate it.

Come on Tycho, you know we weren't pre determined to hate it. Nor were you predetermined to like it. Going back to last year, most of us were in the same boat, cringing as each new tidbit about the film was released while hoping that things would turn around for the best.

Now even if there are some of us who hate it, it's not because we didn't give it a chance. If we really were predetermined, we wouldn't even have bothered keeping up with the developments and going to see the film itself.

Since you seem to like coming up with theories to explain everyone else's behavior, i'm going to turn the tables on you :p Maybe because you've only begun buying TF toys again in recent years (albeit with much discrimination. haha) and because other than G1 episodes on dvd or youtube or whereever, you haven't really watched any TF shows in years. In a way, you needed this film to get you excited about the TF franchise again while those of us who have kept up more with the toys and shows were in a situation where even if the movie sucked, it wouldn't have much bearing on us being fans.

El Chuxter
07-19-2007, 01:08 AM
The last movie I paid to see against my better judgment was X3. After Batman & Robin, Jurassic Park III, and X3, I've no interest in blowing the money again.

Tycho
07-19-2007, 02:03 AM
Figrin, you made a lot of sense with your theory. I'll except it. Good job. :thumbsup:

figrin bran
07-19-2007, 02:27 AM
Figrin, you made a lot of sense with your theory. I'll except it. Good job. :thumbsup:

haha! just trying to give you the benefit of a doubt there! :p

now how's about you take the plunge and order Ultimate Bumblebee from HTS. It doesn't ship until 9/21 but you could tell us how it stacks up. you can even save $10 with the SPTIER07 code.

darthvyn
07-19-2007, 09:38 AM
Now even if there are some of us who hate it, it's not because we didn't give it a chance. If we really were predetermined, we wouldn't even have bothered keeping up with the developments and going to see the film itself.

well, it pertains to me until the "going to see the film itself" - i kept up with the developments until such time that i was able to make a calculated judgment that i wouldn't waste the money seeing the flick in the theater.

El Chuxter
07-19-2007, 12:21 PM
Ditto what vyn said. I also decided I'd give the movie the benefit of the doubt if enough people I knew gave it good reviews.

DarthBrandon
07-19-2007, 12:26 PM
Ditto what vyn said. I also decided I'd give the movie the benefit of the doubt if enough people I knew gave it good reviews.

Guess you didn't get many good reviews then.:D

El Chuxter
07-19-2007, 12:29 PM
Not from folks I know personally. Only two, in fact. Tycho, who's cool and all, but (nothing personal, dude) praised Godzilla '98 at length. My other buddy raves about it, but if there are explosions, he's guaranteed to love it.

darthvyn
07-19-2007, 12:46 PM
Guess you didn't get many good reviews then.:D

and i've heard enough bad ones from people i respect the opinion of to know to avoid it like the plague.

Tycho
07-19-2007, 02:12 PM
now how's about you take the plunge and order Ultimate Bumblebee from HTS. It doesn't ship until 9/21 but you could tell us how it stacks up. you can even save $10 with the SPTIER07 code.

I saw a YouTube video of a guy playing with the Ultimate BumbleBee and it horrified me of the product. I'm not touching that one.

The transformation was weak, the kibble and bulk disgusting, and the doors hung on wires instead of hinges (you reattach them during the transformation). What kind of crap is that?

If I'm not even buying Star Trek figures (it's debatable) I am NOT buying Ultimate BumbleBee. (And I so want an Alternator of a 2009 Camaro!)

figrin bran
07-19-2007, 10:52 PM
USA Today (http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2007-07-18-Transformers_N.htm) and one of the film producers has a poll on which character you'd like to see in the sequel

El Chuxter
07-19-2007, 10:54 PM
Funny, my man is losing to Soundwave? Soundwave's cool, but Grimlock is, well, he's a giant robot T-rex with a bad attitude!

Amusing it is, too, that the images are "courtesy of IDW Publishing, which currently puts out the Transformers comic books." And yet they're all Dreamwave pics.

figrin bran
07-19-2007, 11:05 PM
I haven't voted yet but I'll probably cast it for Grimlock

darko666
07-20-2007, 12:05 AM
i'm sure both Soundwave and Grimlock will be in the next movie. Soundwave was already confirmed to be in the sequel, if all went well with the first movie. but thanks for the link.

edit: after looking at the characters to vote for, i would have to pick Devastator(fav Transformer/combiner). also, why is Ravage on there since he belongs with Soundwave? unless they plan to leave them out of the movie altogether. they should have split the catergories into Autobot and Decepticon.

Rocketboy
07-20-2007, 12:26 AM
I'll vote for the one that transforms into a decent plot.

2-1B
07-20-2007, 12:40 AM
Why is "Insecticons" a broad choice while Grimlock is a specific Dinobot mentioned ?

Tycho
07-20-2007, 01:10 AM
Unless they rewrite THAT aspect of it, without WHEELJACK, the Dinobots don't get created. It seems to me that WHEELJACK is a more logical choice.

I'm also a fan of Hound and Mirage.

The combiners in a live action film are going to come off as Power Rangers. Don't say I didn't warn you.

The only exceptions I can think of are: Constructicons if they combine on the ground and Devastator picks himself up after forming on his stomach or back - and the Stunticons' Menacor - same thing.

To note is that a Constructicon character: Bonecrusher - was already used as a non-combiner character (we think) in the movie that's out there now. And it would seem that Prime killed him for all time!

But back to my point, it's hard to believe that there would be a logical reason for Dinobots without Wheeljack.

UPDATE: Wheeljack is not even a choice :mad:

I'm going to go for Jetfire I think. I was never a huge fan of his, but giving the Autobots a reason to have an arial dogfighting scene versus Starscream gets me all excited. Ravage and Mirage are great choices, too. But Jetfire lends himself to a plot element right there.

Qui-Long Gone
07-20-2007, 01:42 AM
1. Grimlock

2. Devestator

3. Soundwave w/Ravage

4. Hot Rod

Never: Ultramagnus or any of the others

El Chuxter
07-20-2007, 01:47 AM
Why is "Insecticons" a broad choice while Grimlock is a specific Dinobot mentioned ?

And why is the pic of Venom, a Deluxe Insecticon who never appeared anywhere, and whose mold Hasbro no longer has the rights to?

figrin bran
07-20-2007, 01:55 AM
They need to put ALL of those choices into the next film. No more of this 5 versus 7 nonsense.

The only reason to keep the ranks small is so that character development is easier but if they're not going to do that, you might as well make it dueling armies of cybertron.

Tycho
07-20-2007, 03:17 AM
Remember in movie 1, these were advance scouting parties.

The Decepticons had only just arrived most likely, else why hadn't Blackout attacked that base and got the computer info dump weeks ago?

BumbleBee was the first Autobot on the scene and when he confirmed the AllSpark info was there, he signaled for the Autobots and the nearest 4 answered him.

All the events in the movie happened over the course of 2 days approximately. Other Cybertronians might not have had time to get to earth or even have received the message yet at that point.

But yes, keeping the numbers down:

1) Saved design and CGI effort on the part of Bay's people
2) Allowed for more character development as detailed as....Brawl's ;)
3) Let Bay focus on his human characters - the real reason people went to a TF movie

So it made sense that there were only 5 vs 8 in this film (Scorponok not actually being around by the time of the final battle).

Rocketboy
07-20-2007, 10:38 AM
3) Let Bay focus on his human characters - the real reason people went to a TF movieAre you drunk? People went to see it to see TRANSFORMERS.
If they wanted to see a movie about people they would've seen License to Wed.

DarthBrandon
07-20-2007, 11:01 AM
Are you drunk? People went to see it to see TRANSFORMERS.
If they wanted to see a movie about people they would've seen License to Wed.

He obviously has smelt way too may mouse droids.:D

Tycho
07-20-2007, 12:51 PM
Are you drunk? People went to see it to see TRANSFORMERS.
If they wanted to see a movie about people they would've seen License to Wed.

You missed my sarcasm.

"You mean Transformers was supposed to be about robots? Since when?"

darthvyn
07-20-2007, 01:20 PM
he just forgot to put another winky smiley face after it.

Droid
07-20-2007, 03:05 PM
Unless they rewrite THAT aspect of it, without WHEELJACK, the Dinobots don't get created. It seems to me that WHEELJACK is a more logical choice.

That really assumes they would keep a G1 story for the Dinobots. Why in the world would you assume they would do that?

Allspark gets next to a Jurassic Park ride at Universal studios. Boom, Dinobots and cross marketing to boot.

Tycho
07-20-2007, 04:54 PM
That really assumes they would keep a G1 story for the Dinobots. Why in the world would you assume they would do that?

Allspark gets next to a Jurassic Park ride at Universal studios. Boom, Dinobots and cross marketing to boot.

Good idea Droid. Except Paramount is producing Transformers and Jurassic Park is Universal, so I don't know if they'd do that. You do have Steven Spielberg behind both though. Could be. Good thoughts.

JediTricks
07-23-2007, 12:44 AM
What I'd like to know is where all the advertising money is going. Before the previews start, there are 20 minutes of Regal First Look with a bunch of ads in between. I'm not sure when they started doing that here, but I'm thinking that when Episode I was released, they might have just had slides with ads and trivia on them.Yeah, I hate those ads, punishing customers for arriving early. My theater, The Vista, doesn't have them. The money goes to the theaters themselves I guess, since as high as 90% of the box office goes to the studios in the first week.


Matinee prices have more than doubled since 1998. I don't mind the ads and the promo program since it helps pass the time before the movie starts and sometimes it is interesting. I just think that it's odd that the prices have risen so much when there should be more ad revenue coming in. Plus, lower prices might bring more people in and actually produce more revenue.I totally agree, but the studios are greedy and they keep letting movie budgets skyrocket.


Now that I think about it, I didn't see it at the mall, but the theater at Bellis Fair Mall is better than the Sunset Square Cinema where I saw Transformers. Rather than have two aisles with seats on the left, right and center, Sunset has one aisle down the middle. The theaters aren't too big. The seats weren't as comfortable as the ones at the mall. Sehome Cinemas is the best of the three multiplexes we have, at least in terms of size. It's the oldest of the three, so it was built before they started making all of these rinky-dink theaters. If I were to drive down to the Cascade Mall in Burlington/Mt.Vernon, I think they might have fewer seats than Sunset in each theater, but they are nice seats with the stadium layout so it's less likely to have someone blocking your view.Stadium seating has its advantages, but I always feel like I'm going to fall 100 feet down even when sitting still. Not to harp on The Vista again, but instead of doing that to salvage headroom issues, they simply took out every other row so there's 5' of aisle ahead of your seat and the next row is so far forward that they're under the eyeline.


edit: after looking at the characters to vote for, i would have to pick Devastator(fav Transformer/combiner). also, why is Ravage on there since he belongs with Soundwave? unless they plan to leave them out of the movie altogether. they should have split the catergories into Autobot and Decepticon.They've been using Ravage as a character sans Soundwave the past 10 years.


I'll vote for the one that transforms into a decent plot.Somehow, I suspect that transformer won't make it out of pre-production. :p


Why is "Insecticons" a broad choice while Grimlock is a specific Dinobot mentioned ?Good point! My guess is because the Insecticons were smaller than the Dinobots.

darko666
07-23-2007, 01:21 PM
They've been using Ravage as a character sans Soundwave the past 10 years.

ah, i see. the only recent time i saw Ravage, was in a crossover comic with G.I. Joe. Ravage was teamed up with The Baroness.

2-1B
07-23-2007, 08:07 PM
I'll vote for the one that transforms into a decent plot.


Somehow, I suspect that transformer won't make it out of pre-production.

Yeah, there's no room in Michael Bay's budget for it. :p

Tycho
07-23-2007, 10:26 PM
I have another SW collector friend who loves this movie and is buying Transformers now because of it.

That makes either ALL or MOST of my friends loving this movie - and older adults I know, plus several ex-girlfriends who barely tolerate my tastes for this genre that love it too. Oh, and my cousins.

And one of my ex-girlfriends bought an Alternator off eBay because she drives that make-model of car (and people here were right, it was Camshaft or Prowl that she wanted, not Meister (Jazz) because the latter is a Mazda and she drives an Acura).

So it may be that you guys who are totally hardcore are so critical of this, the general movie-goers dig popcorn flicks and Transformers excelled in that market. I was just able to enjoy it like they were.

The same SW buddy I spoke with today asked about the AllSpark killing Megatron and the plot loophole there, but he loved the film and is trying to track down the sold-out Leader Class figures now, while he just came up with 2009 BumbleBee's figure.

So I submit that many of you guys lost your ability to enjoy a popcorn flick.

figrin bran
07-23-2007, 10:39 PM
I have another SW collector friend who loves this movie and is buying Transformers now because of it.

That makes either ALL or MOST of my friends loving this movie - and older adults I know, plus several ex-girlfriends who barely tolerate my tastes for this genre that love it too. Oh, and my cousins.

And one of my ex-girlfriends bought an Alternator off eBay because she drives that make-model of car (and people here were right, it was Camshaft or Prowl that she wanted, not Meister (Jazz) because the latter is a Mazda and she drives an Acura).

So it may be that you guys who are totally hardcore are so critical of this, the general movie-goers dig popcorn flicks and Transformers excelled in that market. I was just able to enjoy it like they were.

The same SW buddy I spoke with today asked about the AllSpark killing Megatron and the plot loophole there, but he loved the film and is trying to track down the sold-out Leader Class figures now, while he just came up with 2009 BumbleBee's figure.

So I submit that many of you guys lost your ability to enjoy a popcorn flick.

All you're doing is proving my theory from the previous page or two!

Your friends all like this film because it's so grounded in the familiar.

darko666
07-23-2007, 11:20 PM
That makes either ALL or MOST of my friends loving this movie

do these friends also enjoy movies like Van Helsing or Fast and the Furious?

Mad Slanted Powers
07-23-2007, 11:49 PM
I never saw either of those movies. I think Van Helsing looked like I might enjoy it, but Fast and the Furious did not appeal to me. Then they created that Fastlane TV show which they moved into Firefly's slot. More recently it was being shown on G4.

darko666
07-24-2007, 02:51 AM
I never saw either of those movies.

consider yourself lucky.

Tycho
07-24-2007, 04:11 AM
do these friends also enjoy movies like Van Helsing or Fast and the Furious?

Yes, as did I. They're fun movies. :thumbsup:

I also own copies of Schindler's List and Gods and Generals, so I represent a wide variety of tastes, but I'd easily watch Transformers or Star Wars movies with more frequency as they are easier to indulge in.

When I pop in "Band of Brothers," I need to watch and stay focused on the whole mini-series.

JetsAndHeels
07-24-2007, 09:32 AM
When I pop in "Band of Brothers," I need to watch and stay focused on the whole mini-series.

BoB is a great, great series. One of the best purchases I have made in my life.

vader121
07-24-2007, 11:24 AM
I also enjoyed Transformers. I must admit that all the "bad press" that these forums have given on this movie made me hesitant. However I enjoyed it. Some of it was pretty goofy but overall I thought it was great. That chicks sleek tan body was just yummy.:yes:

Van Helsing is a fun movie as well. I can watch that over and over again. It's goofy too but movies like that shouldn't be taken too seriously because, after all, the are based on legends and movie monsters. Plus Kate Beckinsale is in it. What more do you want?:love:

Transformers is based on a resurgent toy line people. The same would occur if they ever made a GiJoe movie. It would probably be similarly goofy in spots but there would be other GiJoe diehards trashing it too.

I personally feel that Transformers is better than Pirates III & Spiderman III.

figrin bran
07-24-2007, 11:44 AM
For anyone that was interested in the results, Soundwave has won that poll on USA Today.

Sorry Chux

Tycho
07-24-2007, 12:32 PM
Vader121, I totally like Kate Beckinsale myself - especially how hot she looked in 1940's attire from another Michael Bay masterpiece: Pearl Harbor.

She was great in Van Helsing, too. But Hugh Jackman was like a new Harrison Ford in that movie.

As to the Transformers poll, I voted for Jetfire. Grimlock or Soundwave could be too goofy for the movie.

darko666
07-24-2007, 01:23 PM
Grimlock or Soundwave could be too goofy for the movie.

but you enjoy that kind of stuff.

as for Soundwave winning, thats no surprise, but it should've been Devastator. the next movie needs a combiner.

Beast
07-24-2007, 01:31 PM
Since they don't want to do Mass Shifting... Soundwave should be one of those big radios/boomboxes that radio stations often have set up at public events. :D

Tycho
07-24-2007, 06:31 PM
but you enjoy that kind of stuff.



I don't know how well I can explain myself on that one. I guess I'm not into mass-shifting in a realistic-looking film (it takes screen time away from the next sexy girl or a car chase) and if the movie had been set in the 1980's (could have been except for the GMC's sponsorship pushing it forward - which is actually good for the car embattled car company), a tape deck is old technology.

darko666
07-24-2007, 08:30 PM
Don Murphy has gone on to say that Soundwave wouldn't be a tape deck, but rather a disc player. i'm sure as time goes on with pre-production, Sundwave could have many design changes. not using a tape deck because it's old technoogy is a poor excuse not to use it, but for the mass-shifting, it would be ridiculous. i'm curious to see what earth form Soundwave will take in the next movie, as it will have to make sense to his character.


I guess I'm not into mass-shifting in a realistic-looking film (it takes screen time away from the next sexy girl or a car chase)

how would Soundwave transforming from a small device to a big robot take away from car chases(which the movie lacked in the first place) and sexy girls?
the movie was corny, so it would fit in just fine. as for taking away valuable screen time for the Autobots/Decepticons, thats exactly what the hackers did in the movie.

figrin bran
07-24-2007, 10:39 PM
Why not just use Soundwave's alt form from the Cybertron line? (futuristic stealth fighter looking aircraft)

JediTricks
07-25-2007, 03:32 PM
ah, i see. the only recent time i saw Ravage, was in a crossover comic with G.I. Joe. Ravage was teamed up with The Baroness.That makes... "perfect" sense?


For anyone that was interested in the results, Soundwave has won that poll on USA Today.

Sorry ChuxWaste of votes IMO, he would have been in it either way.


Why not just use Soundwave's alt form from the Cybertron line? (futuristic stealth fighter looking aircraft)Then every cool Con character is a friggin' jet though: Megs, Screamer (of course) and Soundwave.


So Tycho dragged me to the movie last night with his friend Halley who knew NOTHING about TF, and she really dug it. This audience in general was more into it than the one I saw it with before, but I still felt nothing for this movie.

Kidhuman
07-25-2007, 07:17 PM
I was discussing the lack of Soundwave with a co worker and he thought it would be cool to have soundwave be a Car with a booming system in it. It might have worked to find room for him if he cant be a radio.

figrin bran
07-25-2007, 10:33 PM
So JT is in San Diego to help with the SDCC coverage?

Tycho
07-26-2007, 11:22 AM
Yes, he's staying here with me. It's all a conspiracy though. He can moderate me and keep me from posting anything ridiculous while he's here to personally supervise me.

But I did PAY for him to see Transformers again and he seemed shocked that everyone else around him - especially me - was so into the movie. I don't know where some of you lost your ability to enjoy a popcorn flick for what it is. This was my 5th time seeing the picture and I want to go again (after Comic Con I'm sure).

Speaking of the Con: everyone is buying tons of Transformers stuff so it looks like the vast majority of folks (and nearly everyone I talk to) really likes this movie.

figrin bran
07-26-2007, 11:26 AM
Yes, he's staying here with me. It's all a conspiracy though. He can moderate me and keep me from posting anything ridiculous while he's here to personally supervise me.

But I did PAY for him to see Transformers again and he seemed shocked that everyone else around him - especially me - was so into the movie. I don't know where some of you lost your ability to enjoy a popcorn flick for what it is. This was my 5th time seeing the picture and I want to go again (after Comic Con I'm sure).

Speaking of the Con: everyone is buying tons of Transformers stuff so it looks like the vast majority of folks (and nearly everyone I talk to) really likes this movie.

Just what exactly do they put in that drinking water down in San Diego? :p

Tycho
07-26-2007, 11:31 AM
Just what exactly do they put in that drinking water down in San Diego? :p

ENERGON! !!!!!

figrin bran
07-26-2007, 11:36 AM
ENERGON! !!!!!

reminder to self: pack a few more extra bottle waters for SDCC. also do not drink anything that Tycho might offer me :D

bigbarada
07-29-2007, 04:39 PM
Speaking of the Con: everyone is buying tons of Transformers stuff so it looks like the vast majority of folks (and nearly everyone I talk to) really likes this movie.

Yeah, Transformers toys have been consistently sold out at my Wal-Mart since the movie premiered. In contrast, Spider-Man 3 and Pirates toys have barely moved at all.

Also, my boss, Matt Hughes, his brother and our website store manager all saw the movie and just couldn't comprehend why I didn't like it as much as they did.:upset:

I planned to buy it on DVD regardless just for the effects and to hopefully catch a glimpse of some of my college buddies in the special features (they filmed the desert scenes in Alamogordo, NM while I was attending college there and a lot of my classmates from our 3D animation class got jobs on the set - I was visiting Mr. Hughes in Iowa, so I missed my chance to work on the film); so I'll watch it a couple more times and see if my opinion changes.

Tycho
07-29-2007, 05:56 PM
so I'll watch it a couple more times and see if my opinion changes.

You might have to evaluate it separately on effects, designs, story, characterizations (both humans and Cybertronians), etc. There may be some things that work for you, other stuff that does not.

I'm not too keen on the designs for Ratchet and especially Ironhide's faces, and I would have liked it if Optimus kept his mouth guard on more often as he does in the G1 cartoon - there we never even saw his nose and mouth. But these things could come about in sequels still. Yet they are not final determinants on the enjoyability of the movie.

DarthQuack
07-29-2007, 06:20 PM
I saw this last week right after I got back from vacation and I thought it was really well done....especially for Michael Bay! I definitely had goosebumps when I heard Cullen's voice in the beginning and end....the movie was a little long but I didn't mind at all.

bigbarada
07-30-2007, 06:59 AM
You might have to evaluate it separately on effects, designs, story, characterizations (both humans and Cybertronians), etc. There may be some things that work for you, other stuff that does not.

I'm not too keen on the designs for Ratchet and especially Ironhide's faces, and I would have liked it if Optimus kept his mouth guard on more often as he does in the G1 cartoon - there we never even saw his nose and mouth. But these things could come about in sequels still. Yet they are not final determinants on the enjoyability of the movie.

Well, I'm not as picky about films when I'm just sitting at home, in fact my standards for entertainment when I'm sitting in my recliner are pretty low. Case in point, I've been watching the Spongebob Squarepants marathon for the last three days and laughing out loud with every single episode.:o

So, it's reasonable to believe that I'll be more forgiving of Transformers when I watch it on DVD.:yes:

darko666
07-30-2007, 01:35 PM
So, it's reasonable to believe that I'll be more forgiving of Transformers when I watch it on DVD.:yes:

also, being able skip scenes is a big help.

preacher
08-03-2007, 12:26 AM
I probably should have posted this is in the TV forum but since its Transformers related...

Have you guys seen the comicon footage of "Transformers - Animated"? The Transformers mythology has stooped to a new low. For those of you that didn't like the movie you definitely won't be happy when you see footage to this atrocity.

I liked the movie, but I think this Transformers Animated looks completely stupid. COMPLETELY STUPID! Even the title is lame. Do we need to be reminded that Transformers is animated? Its like these cartoonist forgot that little tid bit. Worst thing is that they are making Megatron like the movie version. Not his classic gun, but the stupid starship. And prime has lips. And Starscream has a chin that would make the Tick jealous. At least Arcee, Hot Rod, and Grimlock make an appearance.

Paste this in your explorer and view the horror.
http://enewsi.com/news.php?catid=261&itemid=11455

Tycho
08-03-2007, 12:32 AM
I kind of liked it. I like the emotional high I get attached to that song, Optimus Prime and BumbleBee, Starscream and Megatron, etc.

I just like the whole idea of The Transformers I guess.

In cartoon form, I welcome back Grimlock, too!

Who's the green Autobot? Is that Ironhide's next incarnation?

figrin bran
08-03-2007, 01:42 AM
We've been discussing it over in the TF toy thread.

I like it too and you know if I like it and Tycho likes it, it's gotta be good! :p

The new version of the theme is pretty good...love the booming eighth note drum beats that open it up.

The Green Autobot is Bulkhead, a new character

El Chuxter
08-03-2007, 11:23 AM
It doesn't look too bad. Doesn't look too good, either.

Note the audience only cheered for two characters. And they happen to be two of my favorites.

2-1B
08-04-2007, 02:33 AM
I probably should have posted this is in the TV forum but since its Transformers related...

Have you guys seen the comicon footage of "Transformers - Animated"? The Transformers mythology has stooped to a new low. For those of you that didn't like the movie you definitely won't be happy when you see footage to this atrocity.

I liked the movie, but I think this Transformers Animated looks completely stupid. COMPLETELY STUPID! Even the title is lame. Do we need to be reminded that Transformers is animated? Its like these cartoonist forgot that little tid bit. Worst thing is that they are making Megatron like the movie version. Not his classic gun, but the stupid starship. And prime has lips. And Starscream has a chin that would make the Tick jealous. At least Arcee, Hot Rod, and Grimlock make an appearance.

Paste this in your explorer and view the horror.
http://enewsi.com/news.php?catid=261&itemid=11455

gotta agree with Preacher there...this looks really bad. I think the movie will be better than this.

JediTricks
08-05-2007, 11:45 PM
But I did PAY for him to see Transformers again and he seemed shocked that everyone else around him - especially me - was so into the movie. That's a lie! I wasn't shocked, just disappointed.


I don't know where some of you lost your ability to enjoy a popcorn flick for what it is. This was my 5th time seeing the picture and I want to go again (after Comic Con I'm sure)."Tears in my eyes" Tycho, "tears in my eyes". BTW, I've already pointed this out but Indiana Jones, Aliens, Star Wars, Jaws, those are all popcorn flicks - you've already admitted you can see the flaws in TF, so it's not like that's the same at all, there can be a difference between "popcorn" and "low-grade horse feed". :p



reminder to self: pack a few more extra bottle waters for SDCC. also do not drink anything that Tycho might offer me :DNow you know the reason I bought 2 cases of water the first night I was at Tycho's.



also, being able skip scenes is a big help.How does one skip 90% of a movie though??? ;)



I probably should have posted this is in the TV forum but since its Transformers related...

Have you guys seen the comicon footage of "Transformers - Animated"? The Transformers mythology has stooped to a new low. For those of you that didn't like the movie you definitely won't be happy when you see footage to this atrocity.

I liked the movie, but I think this Transformers Animated looks completely stupid. COMPLETELY STUPID! Even the title is lame. Do we need to be reminded that Transformers is animated? Its like these cartoonist forgot that little tid bit. Worst thing is that they are making Megatron like the movie version. Not his classic gun, but the stupid starship. And prime has lips. And Starscream has a chin that would make the Tick jealous. At least Arcee, Hot Rod, and Grimlock make an appearance.

Paste this in your explorer and view the horror.
http://enewsi.com/news.php?catid=261&itemid=11455
I saw it at the show, it was hard to stomach. Everybody had been telling me it looks better in motion - I suppose that's got some merit but it only works in the vacuum of that motion, not in the concept of Transformers AT ALL.



I kind of liked it. I like the emotional high I get attached to that song, Optimus Prime and BumbleBee, Starscream and Megatron, etc.

I just like the whole idea of The Transformers I guess.

In cartoon form, I welcome back Grimlock, too!

Who's the green Autobot? Is that Ironhide's next incarnation?Just stop, stop talking. Stop. You've cut down the last 6 TF cartoons and THIS is what you're into??? You're not a Transformers fan, you're just a lunatic.

The green guy is Bulkhead.



Note the audience only cheered for two characters. And they happen to be two of my favorites.Yeah, that was weird how the reaction was muted like that, I guess folks weren't really sure what to make of it.

figrin bran
08-06-2007, 12:31 AM
I've watched another clip of the animated series and have concluded that it's awfully similar in terms of look and feel to the Legion of Superheroes series on WB kids. The fact that the Autobots are a ragtag bunch out to prove themselves in this series furthers those similarities.

I actually like LOSH a bit but have to admit that it works only if you expect it to be a lighthearted, fun show and not a Justice League type show.

preacher
08-09-2007, 05:52 PM
The most WTF nuance of that animated show is the transformations of the robots. Not like the good ol sunbow production where you could believe that a robot could transform like that. Now its one second they are a teen titan and a blur later they a vehicle. Cheaters.

Is this going to continue the whole all spark crap, taking place immediately following the movie, or is this going to be some new continuity with something equally rediculous? The "Matrix Spa!"

figrin bran
08-10-2007, 02:38 AM
It's a different continuity from the movie

El Chuxter
08-13-2007, 01:37 AM
Dude, everyone but that buttmunch Michael Bay knows... Frank Welker IS Megatron. (http://www.adultswim.com/video/?episodeID=8a25c3921449e2e901144b67d3220065)

Qui-Long Gone
08-13-2007, 10:52 PM
Frank is the man! I mean....Robot!

JediTricks
08-15-2007, 04:37 AM
Well, he certainly hasn't lost his skill at sounding like that... for whatever that's worth. It's got G1 nostalgia for me, but little else.

El Chuxter
08-15-2007, 10:09 AM
Yeah, it was a dumb sketch. But when I saw it, I knew that was Frank.

General_Grievous
08-15-2007, 03:58 PM
That sketch actually made me sad. They killed Rumble. :(


On a somewhat related note, the Sleestak sketch in this episode was hilarious.

Beast
08-18-2007, 11:37 PM
You guys hear the news about the IMAX re-release with new footage?

REALLY Giant Robots are Coming!
Source: ComingSoon.net, Superhero Hype! August 17, 2007

Director Michael Bay's Transformers has already reached $633.9 million worldwide in tickets sales (on a budget of $150 million), but we're thinking fans will want to head back to theaters when his "Giant F**king Robots" will live up to that title even more.

ComingSoon.net/SuperheroHype.com has learned that Paramount Pictures will rerelease the summer blockbuster in IMAX theaters on September 21 with more footage than you saw in the conventional theatrical version.

What? We don't know, but we can't wait to hear Optimus Prime's voice in IMAX's digital speaker system, or see the robots battling it out on the giant screen!

plasticfetish
08-19-2007, 12:13 AM
Could be cool... though I'm not too thrilled about paying a few bucks more at my local half-a**ed IMAX theater to see it again. (Maybe they'll show it at the "real" IMAX at our science museum. That would be fun.)

JediTricks
08-19-2007, 12:49 AM
Seems like seeing it even bigger would just be that much more nauseating.

Tycho
08-19-2007, 12:51 AM
Michael Bay is a genius! Transformers is awesome!

I'm the Autobot's cheerleader and I approve this message!

BTW: Today I found myself parked next to a black pickup truck (Exterra I think) that had the Autobot symbol on the tailgate.

Rocketboy
08-19-2007, 01:24 AM
Don't IMAX movies have to be 2 hours or less?

Making it shorter does seem to be a good way to improve it (but 2 hours is still far too long for this piece of crap).

General_Grievous
08-19-2007, 02:27 AM
Michael Bay is a genius! Transformers is awesome!

Transformers was good, but Michael Bay is far from a genius.


Don't IMAX movies have to be 2 hours or less?

Making it shorter does seem to be a good way to improve it (but 2 hours is still far too long for this piece of crap).

I saw both Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire and Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix in IMAX. Both of those are over 2 hours.

plasticfetish
08-19-2007, 02:40 AM
I think the current IMAX limit is 150 minutes. How long is Transformers anyway?

Tycho
08-19-2007, 03:46 AM
How long is Transformers anyway?

2 hours and 24 minutes of awesome human action. There's also robots in this movie.

Rocketboy
08-19-2007, 11:18 AM
I saw both Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire and Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix in IMAX. Both of those are over 2 hours.

I think the current IMAX limit is 150 minutes. How long is Transformers anyway?
I wasn't aware they've been able to extend the running time. Cool.

Back in '02 wasn't editing the movie a "problem" with Attack of the Clones because of the IMAX two hour run time?

El Chuxter
08-19-2007, 11:30 AM
Back in '02 wasn't editing the movie a "problem" with Attack of the Clones because of the IMAX two hour run time?

Yeah, and they trimmed a lot of fat and made it a much better movie. They should re-re-re-release the movie with the IMAX cut, restoring the early Senate scenes, and it would be the perfect version of the movie.

2-1B
08-19-2007, 11:51 AM
Those Senate scenes were awful. Almost as awful as Transformers.

El Chuxter
08-19-2007, 12:17 PM
Almost as awful as the Jedi running around in circles later in the movie, twirling their lightsabers and getting killed.

2-1B
08-19-2007, 12:21 PM
That was pretty bad, too. Especially Bultar Swan and the "HiYa" girl.

Rocketboy
08-19-2007, 02:24 PM
And everything with Dooku.

2-1B
08-19-2007, 03:01 PM
Who is worst:

Megatron, Gollum, or Jar Jar ?

Beast
08-19-2007, 03:10 PM
Who is worst:

Megatron, Gollum, or Jar Jar ?
Dobbie the House Elf. :p

JediTricks
08-19-2007, 05:16 PM
Making it shorter does seem to be a good way to improve it (but 2 hours is still far too long for this piece of crap).You just know they'd end up cutting the action scenes instead of the majority of the pointless first hour though.


I wasn't aware they've been able to extend the running time. Cool.

Back in '02 wasn't editing the movie a "problem" with Attack of the Clones because of the IMAX two hour run time?Yeah, the platters up until about 2004 were only big enough to hold exactly 2 hours of film, and they can only use 1 platter for film with IMAX. However, they enlarged the platters to accommodate 2 and a half hours instead after the issue kept coming up with the popular DMRing of mainstream movies over 2 hours in length.


Almost as awful as the Jedi running around in circles later in the movie, twirling their lightsabers and getting killed.
That was pretty bad, too. Especially Bultar Swan and the "HiYa" girl.Yeah, gotta give you guys props on those, good calls.


Who is worst:

Megatron, Gollum, or Jar Jar ?Slicker's mom.

El Chuxter
08-19-2007, 05:20 PM
Dobbie the House Elf. :p

Dude, you think Dobbie looks worse than Jar Jar?

No wonder we keep disagreeing on Marvel Legends sculpts. :D

Beast
08-19-2007, 07:52 PM
Dude, you think Dobbie looks worse than Jar Jar?

No wonder we keep disagreeing on Marvel Legends sculpts. :D
I thought you meant, 'Who's the worst character'. Which is Dobbie, hands down.

figrin bran
08-19-2007, 09:23 PM
It's not really fair, Megatron got far fewer lines of dialogue than Gollum and Jar Jar. ;)

El Chuxter
08-19-2007, 09:44 PM
I had a snappy remark prepared, Beast, but there may be twelve people on Earth who haven't read Deathly Hallows yet. :crazed:

2-1B
08-20-2007, 11:32 PM
I vote for Gollum as worst character...worse than that CD Player from Transformers, even. lol

figrin bran
08-21-2007, 12:00 PM
No Transformers 2 for Michael Bay???? (http://tformers.com/Bay-Mad-At-HD-DVD-Decision-No-Transformers-2/8293/news.html)

please let it be true! :p

Tycho
08-21-2007, 01:02 PM
This can't be true! Nooooooo!

We need Michael Bay! Dude: God forbid there will be a new Transformers movie without masturbation jokes!

What if the next film doesn't focus on people?

Who will invent a cybernetic character that will have sex with AirForce One?

How will we know it's Megatron if the character doesn't announce, "I am Megatron!"?

What Michael Bay brings to Transformers cannot be replaced!

El Chuxter
08-21-2007, 01:45 PM
No Michael Bay and likely Dinobots, Constructicons, and Soundwave?

This could be the best news about the sequel yet.

Methinks it should start off with Optimus Prime saying, "Autobots--reformat to blockier bodies and human faces, so as not to freak out the inhabitants of Earth. Oh, and let's watch out for Unicron. Grimlock--you're in charge now."

Rocketboy
08-21-2007, 03:14 PM
Transformers 2: Grimlock's Big Day

General_Grievous
08-21-2007, 03:30 PM
I don't think Bay ever wanted to do a sequel. I think he just used the Blu-ray fiasco as an outlet. This is good news.

Tycho
08-21-2007, 03:47 PM
I read Bay wanted to do a family movie franchise, like a trilogy. He had dreams of being like George Lucas.

With that in mind, Mojo (Sam's dog) will be replaced by CGI in the next movie and also be represented by a voice actor. Since Fan Demand to bring back Frank Welker is so high (original Megatron), he has been cast as the dog for the sequel.

In this movie, inspired by Men In Black, Transformers' film franchise version of them (Sector-7) will send agents B. and O. (played by Tommy Lee Jones and Will Smith) after Mojo. We are to learn that Optimus Prime has hidden the Autobot Matrix of Leadership (re-envisioned to be really small this time) in Mojo's dog collar, and the Insecticons, led by Shrapnel who also uses the name "Edgar," are after it.

Since a dog is scientifically referred to as some kind of a Rex, the Autobots error in constructing a defender for Mojo, and make a T-Rex they call Grimlock. They figure a 40 ft high robotic dinosaur can defend one little Chiwowa. But all-out war ensues!

Transformers 2 - sponsored by Petsmart. In theaters everywhere in 2009.

darko666
08-21-2007, 05:05 PM
No Transformers 2 for Michael Bay???? (http://tformers.com/Bay-Mad-At-HD-DVD-Decision-No-Transformers-2/8293/news.html)

so there is a god. now i can forget all about the first one and put some hope into the sequel. just maybe, the movie will involve actual Transformers. that is, if this holds true.

JediTricks
08-21-2007, 10:13 PM
My guess is this is all sound and fury signifying nothing, perhaps he's tied to Blu-ray through some backend deal with Sony or something along those lines and he is throwing a fit because it helps him financially. I'm betting he'll back down from those childish comments in a few days and continue to cash his checks. For all we know it's just about wanting to get the most sales from the home market. In any event, I doubt this will be the tipping point for whether or not he ruins another Transformers movie by directing it.


I read Bay wanted to do a family movie franchise, like a trilogy. He had dreams of being like George Lucas.Lucas didn't direct the first Star Wars sequel either though and still it made him a billionaire. Bay is one of the producers, so he gets paid whether or not he directs it.


Maybe we'll get lucky and this will be like the Hulk fiasco, where the exec producers recognize the original's deficiencies and throws the baby out with the bathwater.

Rocketboy
08-22-2007, 01:03 AM
This whole Michael Bay stepping down from TF2 sounds too good to be true, right?


Yeah, it is. (http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/08/21/michael-bay-and-steven-spielberg-upset-over-paramounthd-dvd-deal/)


The fan outcry came down and Michael Bay removed his previous statement and put up the following:
Last night at dinner I was having dinner with three blu-ray owners, they were ****ed about no Transformers Blu-ray and I drank the kool aid hook line and sinker. So at 1:30 in the morning I posted - nothing good ever comes out of early am posts mind you - I over reacted. I heard where Paramount is coming from and the future of HD and players that will be close to the $200 mark which is the magic number. I like what I heard.
As a director, I’m all about people seeing films in the best quality possible, and I saw and heard firsthand people upset about a corporate decision.
So today I saw 300 on HD, it rocks!
So I think I might be back on to do Transformers 2!
Michael BayWow, at dinner Michael Bay had dinner? No wonder TF was sooooooooooo cool!

Tycho
08-22-2007, 01:24 AM
I'd like to know EXACTLY what Michael Bay had for dinner.

El Chuxter
08-22-2007, 02:17 AM
Probably some puppies.

plasticfetish
08-22-2007, 02:17 AM
So wait... what happened? Is this one of those, "My brother got hold of my password and made those lame posts" kind of things? Pfffft... next he'll be saying how he used to date Natalie Portman.

El Chuxter
08-22-2007, 02:31 AM
DeadEye = Michael Bay?

Dude, I think you're onto something.

figrin bran
08-22-2007, 02:53 AM
Probably some puppies.

Puppies from Michael Vick's house?

JediTricks
08-23-2007, 12:52 AM
Wow, Bay is such a chump he didn't even touch my flip-flop deadline, 12 hours at the most? I gave him days, HA! Yutz. "Over reacting" nice turn of phrase there doofus, it's 1 word.

The worst part of all this for me is that his statement about HD-DVD players dropping to $200 soon actually makes some f'ing sense. The sooner we recognize that we're dancing Betamax 2: Electric Boogaloo and Sony is out to fleece both consumers and studios yet again, the better. Beta was superior to VHS, that war lasted 10 years, we know how that turned out.

preacher
08-23-2007, 10:26 PM
This is laughable. A) because Paramount isn't releasing Transformers on Blu-ray and B) because Bay has once again shown his lack of intelligence.

All indicators are that HD-DVD is being outsold by Blu ray. My local blockbuster rents out both HD-DVD and Blu Ray and even though I don't have either kind of player I've been watching the format battle very closely. I knew that whichever format was accepted amongst movie rental retailers that for all intents and purposes this would indicate who the victor would be.

Not surprising I saw many more Blu Ray disks in that section of the store. Znet substantiated my hypothesis about a month back.

http://blogs.zdnet.com/storage/?p=149

Walmart is now selling Blu ray players for 400 bucks and they are flying off the shelf. So Bay and paramount are freaking morons my remaining onboard the sinking ship the USS HD-DVD.

El Chuxter
08-24-2007, 12:21 AM
I'm still betting money that both formats tank within the next two or three years. Average Joe American isn't ready to re-purchase all the movies he had to re-purchase on DVD a few years ago.

Mad Slanted Powers
08-24-2007, 12:39 AM
Are the machines backward compatible with standard DVD? If that was the case, it wouldn't be a problem. Otherwise, it doesn't seem to be as big of a technological leap or improvement as DVD was over VHS, or CD was to LP or cassette.

plasticfetish
08-24-2007, 12:52 AM
Yeah, most Blu Ray players are backwards compatible to play DVDs.

Tycho
09-02-2007, 01:29 AM
I just saw it again for my 7th time in the theater I think (am I on eight viewings already? I lost track).

Anyway, there were still maybe 20-30 people in the theater watching the show. Many might have been first-timers, too. They were laughing pretty hard at all the jokes (and by now I pretty much have the dialogue memorized - "This is a "do what I want and get away with it badge.")

The darn thing is still going strong I guess and is starting it's 2nd month in the theaters tomorrow.

I love this movie! I'm so into it just like Star Wars. I just don't get bored watching it. Transformers is so cool!

plasticfetish
09-02-2007, 02:21 AM
Sooooo.... how long before this becomes your Rocky Horror? You gonna start getting up and doing the dialogue from down below the screen while the movie plays?

Mad Slanted Powers
09-02-2007, 03:04 AM
I enjoyed the movie, but can agree that it isn't a great movie. I recently have been seeing previews for this Dragon Wars movie. It looks kind of silly to me, and then I realized that it reminded me of the Transformers movie, but with dragons instead.

Tycho
09-02-2007, 03:30 AM
Sooooo.... how long before this becomes your Rocky Horror? You gonna start getting up and doing the dialogue from down below the screen while the movie plays?

"Are you feeling lucky, Punk?" - Ironhide

plasticfetish
09-02-2007, 04:37 AM
but with dragons instead.If they could do something with maybe robot dragons... then I think they'd have a hit.

Mad Slanted Powers
09-02-2007, 12:21 PM
If they could do something with maybe robot dragons... then I think they'd have a hit.

Like Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla?

figrin bran
09-02-2007, 12:54 PM
If they could do something with maybe robot dragons... then I think they'd have a hit.

So in other words, you want a Beast Wars movie? :p

Not that this is much of a vote of confidence but the TF movie was 10 times better than the one for Eragon.

Beast
09-02-2007, 03:51 PM
According to what I'm hearing, they're rushing Transformers to DVD. It's coming out Oct. 16th. It will be available in a single disc, 2-Disc SE, and on HD-DVD.

I really wish we were getting Australia's exclusive packaging. :D

http://www.ezydvd.com.au/item.zml/795761

2-1B
09-02-2007, 04:01 PM
I'm getting it on BluRay.

Beast
09-02-2007, 04:13 PM
I'm getting it on BluRay.
Hah! I knew you were Michael Bay!

Tycho
09-02-2007, 04:48 PM
Michael Bay is a god!

I love how they listed Peter Cullen as one of the main actors on the DVD box!

Peter Cullen is also a god!

Dang! I just saw this movie again last night and I want to watch the final battle again right now! Fortunately there's YouTube...

plasticfetish
09-03-2007, 01:30 AM
Like Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla?More like Mecha Godzilla vs. some Zords or something, or that dragon where Sean Connery did the voice... but with a rocket launcher on his back.


So in other words, you want a Beast Wars movie?...mmm, I just want the cartoon to come back.

Tycho
09-03-2007, 01:35 PM
Anyone notice that the soundtrack choices have nothing to do with the movie?

I just considered that. I like the music and downloaded 3 of the songs from i-Tunes (Disturbed, Linkin Park, The Used) - but they have nothing to do with the movie really.

"What I've Done" doesn't even apply to ANY Autobot, as it was Sam who destroyed Megatron.

"Pretty Handsome Awkward?" What the heck do those lyrics mean under any circumstance?

Maybe, "This Moment" could be stretched to say it means something.

But in contrast:

Optimus Prime has "The Touch."

Decepticons are "Instruments of Destruction."

Hot Rod represents, "This Generation, fighting for our lives" in "Nothing's Gonna Stand In Our Way," and "Hunger" and the young will "Dare."

So, while I love Linkin Park and Disturbed, I don't see what they have to do with the movie? If Michael Bay wanted a modern rock soundtrack, couldn't he have approached Linkin Park with some of Don Murphy and Steven Spielberg's money and asked them to write a song specific to Transformers?

(sung to Crawling)

"Transforming all these gears
these wheels don't always lock
after war for thousands years
parts are out of stock...."

- yeah, something like that.

figrin bran
09-03-2007, 06:56 PM
If Michael Bay wanted a modern rock soundtrack, couldn't he have approached Linkin Park with some of Don Murphy and Steven Spielberg's money and asked them to write a song specific to Transformers?

(sung to Crawling)

"Transforming all these gears
these wheels don't always lock
after war for thousands years
parts are out of stock...."

- yeah, something like that.

I know this song so this is rather amusing :D

But you're wrong, "What I've Done" reflects all the angst that Optimus feels after destroying the Witwicky backyard and seeing Sector 7 capture Bumblebee.

JediTricks
09-03-2007, 06:59 PM
I recently have been seeing previews for this Dragon Wars movie. It looks kind of silly to me, and then I realized that it reminded me of the Transformers movie, but with dragons instead.I thought it looked so much like parts of the TF movie that I suspect someone "borrowed" source files for the city designs.

figrin bran
09-03-2007, 07:04 PM
I thought it looked so much like parts of the TF movie that I suspect someone "borrowed" source files for the city designs.

that's just like Eragon "borrowing" source files from LOTR!

Beast
09-05-2007, 01:13 PM
Here's the Transformers DVD/HD-DVD Press Release. Nice extras. :)

Transformers Hits DVD and HD DVD on Oct. 16!

The armies of Cybertron invaded theaters with a juggernaut fury that shook the summer of 2007, but on October 16, 2007 fans of all ages will discover that there is far "More Than Meets The Eye" to the massive mechanical behemoths when Transformers arrives on Earth in spectacular DVD and HD DVD two-disc Special Edition sets as well as on a single disc from DreamWorks Pictures and Paramount Pictures; distributed by Paramount Home Entertainment.

Earning over $650 million at the global box office to date, the massive production exploded onto screens from the creative minds of director Michael Bay and executive producer Steven Spielberg, in association with Hasbro, taking audiences by storm and becoming the biggest original film of the year. The first live-action film based on the enduringly popular "robots in disguise", Transformers features the ultimate battle between good and evil, as the peace-loving Autobots seek to protect humanity from the evil forces of the Decepticons. The action-packed film stars a hot young cast of up-and-coming actors including Shia LaBeouf (Disturbia), Josh Duhamel ("Las Vegas"), Tyrese Gibson (Four Brothers) and Megan Fox ("Hope & Faith"), as well as seasoned performers such as Jon Voight (National Treasure) and John Turturro (The Good Shepherd). But the biggest stars are the Transformers robots themselves – including fan favorites Optimus Prime, Megatron, Bumblebee, Ratchet, Jazz and more – brought to life by revolutionary new VFX techniques developed by the innovative digital wizards at Industrial Light & Magic (ILM).

The Transformers Special Edition two-disc sets provide an incredible experience with an arsenal of bonus material that delivers excitement and fun for long-time fans, as well as for viewers who are new to the "Transformers" universe. The extensive special features include commentary by Michael Bay and two multi-part in-depth documentaries exploring the human elements of the film as well as the phenomenal robot stars. Presented in multiple parts, "Our World" and "Their War" include segments with Steven Spielberg discussing his love for the franchise and the early concept for the movie, the extensive casting process, the training, consultants and real-world weapons provided by the military to lend authenticity to the film, the evolution of the robots from Hasbro’s iconic toy line to big-screen stars, the unique vehicles created for the movie, a discussion with ILM's legendary digital artists and much more.

The discs go even further behind-the-scenes with early sketch concepts of the robots and an in-depth look at the making of the Skorponok attack from writing and conceptualization through the creation of the stunning visual effects.

In addition to superior picture and sound and all of the above bonus material presented in high definition, the HD DVD presentation provides consumers with a host of web-enabled features, which are accessible through all connected HD DVD players. The web-enabled features take advantage of technology that allows the studio to present the content in a new way. These cutting-edge, online features can be updated, providing consumers with an evolving entertainment experience months, or even years, after the disc is physically produced. Initial features include a Transformers Intelligence Mode in which an on-screen dashboard over the film provides information about the robots and weapons, their strength levels, character updates and more. Plus, a GPS Locator that can access a map and GPS coordinates. Paramount's Transformers HD DVD connectivity capabilities will reveal additional HD DVD exclusive features at street date and at various time periods in the future.

The HD DVD also includes a Transformers H.U.D. (Heads Up Display) that lets viewers access running text commentary while watching the film and even view relevant behind-the-scenes footage in a picture-in-picture window. Additionally, viewers can explore the main robots' individual details in high definition with the Transformers Tech Inspector.

DVD:

The Transformers DVD is presented in widescreen enhanced for 16:9 televisions with Dolby Digital English 5.1 Surround, French 5.1 Surround and Spanish 5.1 Surround with English, French and Spanish subtitles. Total runtime is 143 minutes.

Transformers Special Edition DVD bonus features include:

Disc 1:

- Feature film
- Commentary by Michael Bay

Disc 2:

- Our World

The Story Sparks - Steven Spielberg discusses his love for the franchise and early concept art for the film. Explores how the writers adapted the cartoon into a live-action movie and why Michael Bay is the perfect director for the film.

Human Allies - A look at how the actors were selected and their experiences on the set.

I Fight Giant Robots - An exploration of the military training that Josh Duhamel and Tyrese Gibson underwent for their roles and the various stunts that the actors were asked to perform.

Battleground - A piece on the senior officials from the Department of Defense and Air Force who consulted on the film to give it authenticity and the key locations that the U.S. government provided access to.

- Their War

Rise of the Robots - Explores the interaction between Hasbro designers and Michael Bay to bring the toy line roaring to life.

Autobots Roll Out - Michael Bay discusses working with Chevy and its designers and the modifications that were made to the cars seen in the film.

Decepticons Strike - The film's military advisors discuss the “toys” they allowed the production to borrow: F-22 Raptors, Ospreys and A-10 Warthogs.

Inside the AllSpark - ILM's digital artists discuss the challenges of bringing the Transformers to life.

- More Than Meets The Eye

From Script to Sand: The Skorponok Desert Attack - An in-depth look at the making of this particularly epic and challenging scene from initial storyboarding through production and visual effects.

Concepts - Early sketch concepts of the robots.

Trailers

HD DVD:

The HD DVD is presented in 1080p High Definition with English, French and Spanish 5.1 Dolby Digital Plus and English, English SDH+, French, Spanish and Brazilian Portuguese subtitles. In addition to the above features that will be presented in high definition, the Transformers HD DVD will also offer the following exclusive content:

Disc 1:

Transformers H.U.D. (Heads Up Display) - In this mode, viewers can access running text-based behind-the-scenes background information on the production during the feature. Users can also watch relevant picture-in-picture b-roll and video with Bay, Spielberg and other filmmakers during select sequences.

Transformers Intelligence Mode web-enabled features consist of:

- Transformation Mode
- Health Meter
- Weapon Mode
- Robot Bio
- In Scene Indicator
- Text Ticker
- GPS

Disc 2:

Transformers Tech Inspector - Gives viewers an unprecedented look at the Transformers robots through the exquisitely detailed models created by ILM artists. Users can zoom in on each detail for a closer examination and pause and change the rotation of the models.

Beast
09-05-2007, 01:49 PM
And here's a picture of the 2-Disc Artwork. Looks like it might be a Steelbook.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v97/MasterSplinter/transformers-dvd.jpg

Tycho
09-05-2007, 04:22 PM
Very nice info, Beast.

I have to say it: I'm not a huge fan of DVD extras and buying anything other than just the movie isn't evolving into a priority for me.

I'd watch some of the features like maybe the one with the military or with Chevorlet once, and that's about it. I don't feel compelled to pay extra for that, although some of it sounds interesting. None of it seems like "I have to have it."

I'd rather lose myself in the fantasy of this film and enjoy watching the movie over and over again. That's why they make a regular edition: for people like me.

JediTricks
09-06-2007, 01:18 AM
That looks like a rush job DVD, not much going for it really, just bare-bones disc 1 and cheesy standard documentaries for disc 2. I'm betting Paramount already has Bay working on the double-dip DVD with extra scenes and such. Hell, even the cover art is ridiculously uninspired.

Rocketboy
09-06-2007, 01:01 PM
Hell, even the cover art is ridiculously uninspired.Just like the movie, so I guess it fits.

Tycho
09-09-2007, 11:26 PM
Someone did some editing and put Frank Welker as Megatron and "The Touch" into the movie. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UovBY7wUYxM)

This is cool - as are all videos of Optimus Prime kicking butt!

2-1B
09-10-2007, 01:03 AM
Why did they put the voice of Megatron over that jet? :confused:

Doesn't make any sense...

Qui-Long Gone
09-10-2007, 06:07 PM
Why did they put the voice of Megatron over that jet? :confused:

Doesn't make any sense...

Because Megatron is a jet in the movie....

Agreed: Doesn't make any sense.....of course neither did a pistol....

JediTricks
09-10-2007, 06:59 PM
I didn't think that fit at all.

2-1B
09-10-2007, 08:16 PM
Because Megatron is a jet in the movie....

Agreed: Doesn't make any sense.....of course neither did a pistol....

Agreed, a giant robot transforming into a tiny pistol doesn't make any sense either.

Then again, Frenzy was more like Soundwave than Megatron was like Megatron...but they changed Soundwave's name. lol lol lol

BountyHunterScum
09-11-2007, 01:44 PM
Just like the movie, so I guess it fits.

Amen to that. The carlot scene where sam gets the camaro felt an awful lot like the scene in herbie fully loaded when she gets the vw.

2-1B
09-11-2007, 08:46 PM
Only not as sexy. :lipsrsealed:

El Chuxter
09-13-2007, 10:57 AM
It looks like the IMAX version is going to be five minutes longer.

That's enough time for Michael Bay to individually defecate on about 120 G1 figures, comics, and videos.

JediTricks
09-14-2007, 12:20 AM
Maybe the IMAX format will make the movie make more sense. :p I'm sure the large, confusing, crazy, incomprehensible angles for the action scenes will become far clearer 10 times bigger. :rolleyes:

mabudonicus
09-14-2007, 01:16 PM
I just saw this turd again the other night- there should be barf bags at the IMAX showings, and maybe an atetnding physician, I damn near tossed my cookies trying to stomach the absurd violent shaky cam that is the "Action" in the film. I guess the fact that it was a rip of the film MIGHT mean it was somewhat different than it should have been but I seriously do think it was accurate, as I recall feeling ill during the theatre showing I attended.

:beard: Iso & Baws


MAN that film SUCKS

El Chuxter
09-14-2007, 02:03 PM
You saw it twice?

Let me get this straight. You, like me, were looking forward to it, until the commercials showed it would be a documentary on robotic lemur sex. I opted to not waste my money. You saw it anyway, and your worst fears were confirmed. Surpassed, even.

And you still saw it again?

You are worse than Rocketboy and his Legacy comics. :p

mabudonicus
09-15-2007, 11:49 AM
I'll try and answer this one, Chux...

See, someone where my wife works had a rip of it, and honestly I wanted to see if a small screen would make any difference as to the "comprehensibility" (a word that should NOT apply to action films, if it even exists that is) of the film- plus a buddy who had avoided the film so far was interested in seeing what it was that set me off SO bad after the first viewing.

I figured that maybe, just maybe being able to drink and swear as much as I wanted would serve as a buffer to the damage I knew it would inflict, and to an extent I was right. Odd thing is, as soon as I put the film on, folks started dropping by and offering a constant stream of... errrrmmm.. well "supplies", as soon as one person left, another would arrive and it was "ON" again- almost as if my TV sent out a distress beacon which none could resist.

So it kinda evened out, and only cost the hydro it took to power the screen- we would have been playing GTA and using more anyways, but we were stuck somewheres in the game and so we just spun the turd.

And seriously, MST3K-style the film is actually kinda fun to watch, it's so loaded with STINKERS and Shia Laboeuf sucks SO hard as the "protagonist" (he's almost worse than Keanu in that distinctive Keanu way) that you can't help but laugh and comment on how bad it sucks, so it wasn't a total waste for a few reasons
:beard: Iso & Baws

That didn't come off as desperate or ashamed did it?

2-1B
09-15-2007, 02:19 PM
mabudonicus got mabudonmarried ??? Congrats sir ! :)

Okay, I don't suppose you videotaped this MST3K-style viewing, by chance ??? :confused:

I know it would raise copyright flags but man if you could get some of that up on Youtube...that would be legendary man !!!

figrin bran
09-15-2007, 10:09 PM
Congratulations Mabs!!!

I would love to watch Transformers MST3K style!!

Slicker
09-27-2007, 02:18 AM
I liked it.

It was a good little flick and I'm looking forward to the sequels.

General_Grievous
09-27-2007, 11:37 AM
I liked it.

It was a good little flick and I'm looking forward to the sequels.

Well at least I'm not alone. It's good to see there's someone else who liked the movie as a popcorn flick. However, I was never a big Transformers fan, so maybe if I had been, I wouldn't have liked this movie.

Tycho, you're in a whole different category of fanaticism about this movie. :p

El Chuxter
09-27-2007, 11:57 AM
I think it's the expectations of the classic series. Not so much storyline details, but expectations that there would be a story.

Sorta like if someone did a popcorn film based on Watchmen. (Not that TF is on par with Watchmen, even in the Simon Furman issues of the comic, but bear with me.) It could be a great popcorn movie that sticks to the basic plot. Or it could be a great deconstruction of superheroes that dramatically changes plot elements. Either way it could work. However, anyone familiar with the original story would hate a popcorn movie, not so much for the changes to the basic story, but because it doesn't do the original justice. Kinda like why X-Men worked despite major changes to the premise, but X3 didn't. Y'know?

Tycho
09-27-2007, 12:49 PM
As much as I really, really enjoyed Transformers, I'd have still made changes:

1) Designs - I'd have the alien looking Decepticons alter themselves more perhaps to look more like their G1 designs. I'd have the Autobots change to more human faces - so they'd wind up looking very recognizeable as their G1 characters.

Prime - he's pretty good. I'd have him get hit in the mouth so that he starts keeping with his face guard up so he always looks like the iconic, traditional Prime.

BumbleBee - he was good.

Ratchet - I liked the green, but you could do that with some more G1 facial resemblance

Jazz - he was fine

Ironhide - the black truck was cool - but I'd change his face to a more G1 look soon after his introduction.

*The Autobots might be motivated to do this for movie 2 anyway.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Megatron - hmmm. The jet was good. No great mass shifting. He had no real reason to adopt the more human G1 look yet. Perhaps in a sequel?

Starscream - I didn't like the ape-like robot appearance with an insectoid style head. Again, maybe a sequel will give him cause to alter his appearance.

The rest of the Decepticons were pretty much fine, as they weren't really established G1 characters (at least definitely not primaries).

2) The AllSpark - what the heck? Unless a sequel can expand on how life came to be on Cyberton, and what exactly its natives are (sillicon life forms? What? Robotic life-support systems for cyborgs? Machine slaves that evolved their sense of artificial intelligence into sentience?) The AllSpark by itself is a dumb idea. I would have gone with political commentary about shortages of energy sources and made it relavent to today's struggles with foreign oil dependancy. G1 actually did a lot of that (the energon cubes).

What else?

figrin bran
09-28-2007, 01:54 AM
I think Tycho might be a better director than Michael Bay! :Ponder:

Chux, I could've sworn that I've read about a Watchman film in the works. I've never read it and probably should but even without that, I'd prefer the deconstruction rather than the popcorn.

Mad Slanted Powers
09-28-2007, 02:23 AM
I heard something today on Attack of the Show that there are plans to bring back Knight Rider, but this time it will be Transformer inspired. I guess K.I.T.T. will have some Transformer qualities, as will some enemy vehicles.

El Chuxter
09-28-2007, 10:33 AM
There is a Watchmen movie in the works. I think it comes out in 2009. I was just using that as an example of an excellent graphic novel that could easily be ruined in a movie. And, yes, you should probably read it. :)

JediTricks
09-28-2007, 04:50 PM
Yeah, NBC can't get enough of remakes now, they're totally devoid of new ideas. KITT will have morphing abilities and they'll be bringing in a bunch of bad guy cars with similar abilities. Sounds like they're gonna try another loser like Team Knight Rider.

JetsAndHeels
09-28-2007, 04:57 PM
Somewhere Michael Bay is making a call to NBC.

JediTricks
09-28-2007, 04:59 PM
Nah, Michael Bay has an aversion to talking cars, see Bumblebee for example. :p

El Chuxter
09-28-2007, 05:02 PM
Christ in a bucket, I missed that. They will air any horses***, but they don't pick up actual quality shows.

What was the last thing I watched on NBC? I honestly can't remember. (And since they want to make it impossible to catch up on a full season of Heroes, there probably won't be anything for me to watch anytime soon.)

2-1B
09-30-2007, 02:49 PM
What was the last thing I watched on NBC? I honestly can't remember. (And since they want to make it impossible to catch up on a full season of Heroes, there probably won't be anything for me to watch anytime soon.)

They have the best show in television history. The Office.

El Chuxter
09-30-2007, 03:00 PM
Both The Office and My Name Is Earl are good, but they're both shows I forget are on until five minutes before they're over.

Yeah, that sounds weird, but I don't watch a lot of TV lately, so I generally don't think of things in terms of "_____ is on at 8 PM on _____ night" anymore.

2-1B
09-30-2007, 03:38 PM
The only show I ever plan for is The Office, well also NFL games but that's a different animal.

I used to do that with HBO shows (currently Curb Your Enthusiasm) but not anymore because I have HBO On Demand...so I watch them whenever.

Tycho
10-04-2007, 09:08 PM
Wal-Mart exclusive Transformers DVD 2-disc set features a special narrated by Peter Cullen, voice of Optimus Prime.

Peter Cullen is awesome. I grew up worshipping him like a god! I bought Cyber-Stompin' Optimus Prime (the kiddie toy) so I could hear his voice tell me to "Transform and roll out!"

That guy is so cool!

Well here's the link to the article where I read about it. (http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/showthread.php?t=152959)

In addition, Michael Bay's movie is up for being awarded the best movie of the year. And it will be shown in airplanes, making passengers everywhere paranoid of little portable radios and Nokia cell phones!

Transformers rules! Available October 16th - that's in 12 more days!

By the way, Play This! - It's so cool! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKA0R0aVQLM&mode=related&search=)

JediTricks
10-05-2007, 04:58 PM
I can't wait to not buy this!

General_Grievous
10-05-2007, 05:27 PM
Oh, I'll be sending copies to all of you guys! :p

El Chuxter
10-05-2007, 05:32 PM
By the way, Play This! - It's so cool! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKA0R0aVQLM&mode=related&search=)

Jesus, clicking on that makes me feel so much more justified in not watching this turd.

Why would Spike be making out with his girlfriend on the hood of Bumblebee while Prime and (I assume) two other Autobots watch. Isn't that pretty creepy?

JediTricks
10-05-2007, 11:06 PM
Why would Spike be making out with his girlfriend on the hood of Bumblebee while Prime and (I assume) two other Autobots watch. Isn't that pretty creepy?
YES! Thank you! Totally icky.
http://www.tfw2005.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/20873/cat/1161

figrin bran
10-05-2007, 11:13 PM
Tycho, are you going to buy 2 copies of the DVD? 1 to open up and watch and 1 to keep in case it breaks? :p :D

JediTricks
10-05-2007, 11:51 PM
Tycho, are you going to buy 2 copies of the DVD? 1 to open up and watch and 1 to keep in case it breaks? :p :D
Figgy B rules! That was awesome, I wish I had thought to ask him that. :thumbsup: The only problem is, Tycho probably is going to buy 2 copies.

figrin bran
10-06-2007, 12:09 AM
The only problem is, Tycho probably is going to buy 2 copies.

:D I can totally see him doing that too and then making some bizarre justification for it. "i'm going to watch the movie so many times that i'm afraid i'll wear out my copy. since they're on sale the first week of release, i might as well buy it now rather than later".

Tycho
10-06-2007, 12:32 AM
OK, I might buy more than 1 copy of the movie, but how about this as a perfectly rational reason:

I don't currently own a BlueRay or HD DVD player, and the regular DVD format might one day become obsolete. If I still have a new, unopened copy of Transformers in the regular DVD format, and mine and everyone else's opened copy gets scratched, I'm going to have another brand new one! Who's going to be jealous then? :yes:

I might also get an extra regular DVD changer to keep new in its package just in case.

Sure I can buy HD and BlueRay in the meantime, but this way if anything happens to my regular DVD changer, I'll have the extra one as a back-up.

You can apply my cautionary tactics of buying extra Transformers to many other things in life. Who's the idiot now?

Rocketboy
10-06-2007, 12:58 AM
Everyone should buy 2 copies!
One from Best Buy to get the free little toys and one from Target to get the super awesome transforming DVD case!!!!!!!!!!!









:rolleyes:

El Chuxter
10-07-2007, 02:51 AM
Everyone should buy three copies, and burn them all!

Only that would register as the DVD selling well.

JT, I saw that strip a week or so ago (Lil' Formers is the only thing I bother with at that site, but it's usually worth it), and it makes a lot more sense now.

JediTricks
10-08-2007, 06:45 PM
OK, I might buy more than 1 copy of the movie, but how about this as a perfectly rational reason:

I don't currently own a BlueRay or HD DVD player, and the regular DVD format might one day become obsolete. If I still have a new, unopened copy of Transformers in the regular DVD format, and mine and everyone else's opened copy gets scratched, I'm going to have another brand new one! Who's going to be jealous then? :yes:

I might also get an extra regular DVD changer to keep new in its package just in case.

Sure I can buy HD and BlueRay in the meantime, but this way if anything happens to my regular DVD changer, I'll have the extra one as a back-up.

You can apply my cautionary tactics of buying extra Transformers to many other things in life. Who's the idiot now?You are if you think DVD is going to become unplayable in the future and buy the HD version when you don't have an HD player. While the regular DVD one won't have the definition quality of a newer format, the point of the DVD format is that it'll stay universal as long as there are optical drives used for any future format. By the time DVD is obsolete, all optical drives will be obsolete and your HD version will be exactly as worthless. And as for scratches, you can fill them and it'll play again, only scratches to the reflective surface on the back are a real threat and they're uncommon. Plus, you're allowed to make a backup copy for your own use of the discs anyway. And I know you're kidding around, but many a true word is said in jest.



I know someone who is absolutely buying 2 dvd sets for the extra stuff from the various retailers. That gets a big :rolleyes: from me.

Beast
10-08-2007, 07:47 PM
I'll probably just get the cheapest version. I don't really care about most of the exclusives. The Wal-Mart prequel disc is interesting, but it's only being packaged with the 1-Disc version from what I hear. I may steal that from my brother. :p

FYI, those hoping for the IMAX version on DVD:

09/18/2007 07:39 AM
I saw the IMAX print and it is awesome! It is the future of cinema to see movies in this format. I'm going to see Tranformers one last time and get ready to gear up for Transformers 2. I added two minutes of stuff for IMAX that will never make into any DVD's. There will never be an extended edition.

About the DVD. I like the two disc set. I has all the extras that the others don't have. It is the definitive edition of Transformers. It really breaks down how we made the movie.

Anyway hope you like the IMAX print!

Bay

Tycho
10-08-2007, 07:56 PM
The Plot to Transformers 2 ? (http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/showpost.php?p=1646659&postcount=13)

Is this correct? It sounds very plausible. Spoilers abound, so you've been forewarned. You'll still have to highlight to read it on TFW2005 (where the link above leads).

But:

Ultra Magnus
Hot Rod
Devastator (yup - 6 Constructicons)*
Soundwave
Barricade - returns
Scorponok - returns
Megatron - resurrected

The Death of another main character (if someone starts addressing it in this thread, we'll discuss it. I'm fine with that. It's ::: Starscream ::: who dies this time.

The major battle ground is ::: Las Vegas! :::

And though I don't consider it a big spoiler, BumbleBee and Sam have been biding their time by street racing in homage to Too Fast, Too Furious, "T2 style." The Cybertron Drift.... while Sam is supposed to be in college in New York.

* I wonder if they're going to rename the bulldozer since BoneCrusher was a mine-clearing vehicle and killed by Prime in the last movie? Or they resurrect him and give him a new Alt mode?

Beast
10-08-2007, 08:17 PM
The plot sounds better than the plot for the first one, I'll give it that. :p

Tycho
10-09-2007, 09:47 AM
Well, Don Murphy (producer) apparently read it and debunked it, saying they're not even done with the script writing yet.

He did say that he thought the idea was good though.

But are Hot Rod and Ultra Magnus necessary? Wheeljack, Hound, and Mirage are more interesting Autobot characters. Powerglide or Springer might add more to the story then Hot Rod or Ultra Magnus as well. Arcee, and female Autobots are totally unnecessary without some explanation that the robots were once part of organic beings (or in service to them) that would need feminine gender roles.

Combiners might be a bad idea and BoneCrusher's name use in Movie 1 presents a problem for the Constructicons' use in Movie 2 (maybe) - Megatron should be the only Transformer resurrected really. Megatron killing Starscream after appropriate rivalry is shown is true to character however. We've seen that before. Soundwave surfacing would be nice, but I don't see him being a cassette tape deck.

General_Grievous
10-09-2007, 11:32 AM
Hmmm...not bad if true, but I thought they were pursuing the Unicron plot. But I would like to see Hot Rod in the next movie.

El Chuxter
10-09-2007, 11:35 AM
If given a choice between Hot Rod and Springer, anyone except Tycho would pick Hot Rod.

Tycho seems to think Springer is the Han Solo of TF:TM. He's really the Jar Jar Binks. Except not as funny.

(Wheelie is the Jake Lloyd Anakin, if you're wondering why he's not the Jar Jar.)

Tycho
10-09-2007, 12:33 PM
Well Hot Rod might be the Keanu Reeves of Transformers. (Actually, that's probably too harsh.)

Maybe he has some Han Solo-esque qualities to him, but only if Han got hit on his head - hard.

Who is Hot Rod like? There's some arche-type, stereo type that I'm not recollecting at the moment. Maybe Capt. Jack Sparrow?

But we really need to go back to 80's films because Hot Rod came from that era as well (1986).