View Full Version : Are you satisfied with the way Hasbro has been releasing the 12" Collection?
08-04-2003, 12:42 PM
Recent choices supposedly include:
Padme Droid Factory
Anakin Secret Ceremony
Lando Skiff Guard
Han Solo action blasting
Logray and Ewok Warrior
Luke Jedi Knight
Exclusive Leia Endor on Speederbike
I've only seen the first 3 available at retail. The Geonosian is the only one that's perfectly what he should be.
I really want to find Lando and Yoda, while some people have both those waves from online retailers, I have never heard of them hitting stores in San Deigo.
I'd also buy the AT-ST Driver, Logray and Friend, and Leia Endor on the bike if I could catch them.
Some of the other choices are duplicating figures I already have and don't want more of.
What do you guys think of the state of the 12" Collection these days?
08-04-2003, 01:51 PM
It really doesn't help that all of the releases of this year, save for thge Geonosian Warrior, have been complete crap. It's sad that the current and upcoming releases seem to be a little more worthy of the community's attention but the distribution of these pieces is being hampered by a glut of shelfwarmers. It would be nice if Hasblah would apologise for Anakin, Han and (especially) Padme, recall these vinyl turkeys and replace them with more acceptable product. :frus:
08-04-2003, 02:06 PM
I try to collect as many as I can and am only missing a couple since 95 or 96, whenever they first started coming out. I have bought the Lando skiff and AT-ST Driver at Toys R Us in Southwest Missouri about a month ago, however I did not get the Han only because it had a smashed side and I figured I'd find it again later since it is a repeated figure. I think that exact one is still there. Wal-Mart here in southeast Kansas has had no new figures or 12 inchers since the Zam and Dooku wave. They have finally put out all the new figures with the Snow Trooper, Wat Tambor, and Coleman Trebor except aside from one new Darth and one Snowtrooper that I was able to buy....EVERY SINGLE DARN FIGURE CRUSHED. I asked the dude what the hell happened and he said that sometimes people drop boxes on other boxes. I was pretty furious since this was my first real taste of new figures since February aside from the what I have had to resort to buying on Ebay at nearly $12@!!! Ok enough rambling, my point is I am sort of satisfied with the way the 12" collection is being released, I am glad they only release 3 at a time every 3-5 months or so, that gives me time to search my butt off for them. I waste alot of gas looking around. But I do end up finding them somewhere around here, within a 2 hr drive radius. But its the 3 3/4" figures that are making me the most angry! I did send off the petition thing that I printed off this website so hopefully Wal-Mart will get flooded with them and realize what they will be missing out on if they don't distribute the things we want. Thanks SirSteve's for supplying that petition!
08-04-2003, 02:18 PM
i'm satisfied with the 12" collection. it's always easy for fans to complain about something, and there are certainly more 12" lukes than anyone really needs, but by and large, the idea of the line just doesn't really make sense to me.
at $20 a pop, it costs at least $40 to generate a meaningful star wars play experience unless you buy one 12" figure and let your kids pretend it's a giant. the toys aren't as much playthings as collectibles, and i've seen plenty of collector shops with walls literally lined edge to edge with overpriced 12" figures that no one is buying. i started getting the 12" figures because they display better that the small figures, but at $20 a piece, it's hard to justify even completing my bounty hunter collection that will be over a $120 investment by the time i'm done.
these figures ought to just be sold through mailorder and specialty shops so that the walmarts of the world can clean out their inventory and buy things from hasbro that might actually sell. there are still a 12" cantina band member and a 12" walrus man at a walmart near me for christ's sake!
08-04-2003, 02:28 PM
And I don't know if its all Hasbro's fault...
The big retailers buy the heck out of stuff when a movie comes out, and they are all competing with each other over the same eight figures or so. Then when they don't sell all the stock they bought, they decide that the lines aren't doing as well as they thought, so they don't buy subsequent assortments. But its not that the toys didn't sell, its that the stores bought way too much stock in the first place. So we end up seeing the same peg-warmers all the time, and none of the new stuff. I think that retail chain buyers should buy smarter, and keep the stock moving. Wishful thinking, I guess.
In all, I'm pretty happy with the 12" lines, though I would LOVE to see more Jedi figures and fewer repeat characters. My biggest beef with the line is the change in the female character bodies. Ever since Aurra Sing, we have been stuck with the glorified Barbie stock body for female characters. What ever happened to the poseable, more realistic body that was used for the early Leia figures? Even the Leia Bounty Hunter figure in the KB 3-pack exclusive a few years ago still used that body style. All this change has done, as far as I'm concerned, is make the figures less realistic and less desirable. The Padme looks like she has a beach ball for a head, for crying out loud! Hasbro needs to know that the people who follow these line and drop $20+ a pop on these figures want more than just "whatever they can throw together" for our money, and when the line first started, they really tried to give us more than our money's worth. The last decent-looking assortment they put out was the Bounty Hunters. I want more like that and less like the Beach Ball Padme.
08-04-2003, 03:03 PM
I wanted to buy the Yoda to help with my Jedi council 12" set. I have not found him. I voted no. I have yet to see any newer 12" figures at retail. Heck, I still can't find the 3 3/4" figures at retail. :(
08-04-2003, 04:28 PM
I managed to get the Lando and the At-St driver, but no Han. I was going to order a case from EE with the Luke, Yoda, Ewoks, and Biker Scout, but I would get 2 Lukes, and 2 Yoda's. While I keep my 12" line boxed and if I see a good deal on a second of the same figure to open, I don't think paying full price for 2 Lukes warrants buying a whole case from EE. I wouldn't mind a second Yoda though. I haven't really hit the retail stores to much, unless I have to go to get something else I need, because I just end up wasting my time.
08-04-2003, 05:05 PM
What do you guys think of the state of the 12" Collection these days?
i think it's in a very sad state........and i'm not the only one as i keep reading on "other" sites that hasbro has cancelled 12 inch production for the rest of 2003. :confused: i almost believe at times that hasbro is trying to kill this line by releasing poor quality product that they know won't sell....and it's not selling as indicated by wal mart's refusal to stock future releases.
all i collect of star wars merchandise is the 12 inch line, and it's getting hard to do that. i've never seen the skiff lando wave and had to get the yoda wave online out of fear of never seeing it at retail.
my suggestion to hasbro is this:
if you plan to continue the line as you have in the past, with huge heads, crappy sculpts and crappy bodies of rehashed figures, ditch the "collector box" and just slap those figures on blister packs like you do most of your 12 inch G.I. Joe figures and charge no more than $10-$12 for each figure.
forget selling this line to children who don't buy them, or collectors who don't buy them in their current state because they suck, and instead re-direct your efforts towards producing a real high quality collectible figure aimed at the adult collector, like me. price the figure at about $30-$35, like marvel has with their 12" marvel studios line and give us spot on headsculpts with super paint jobs on your super articulated GI joe, as long as you loose those crappy claw hands.
actually i'd prefer a re-worked Joe body with a longer torso and legs, as i think the GI Joe body is too short.
think marmit quality when you make these figures or don't make them at all.........or just let a quality company who knows how to make a quality 12 inch figure like Blue Box or Sideshow take over the line.
08-04-2003, 05:22 PM
Well like Tycho I've only seen the first 3 at retail and only bought the Genosian Warrior because IMO Anakin and Padme looked pathetic (like most of the core characters). The 12" line is so hit and miss to me that I decided a while ago that I would only pick up the figures I felt were quality instead of trying to be a completist. I'd say 1 out of every 3 or 4 peak my interest but the distribution and store ordering are so poor that I have trouble finding anything new with all the old stuff sitting on the shelves. I would like to get the Ewoks and Lando Skiff Guard but couldn't care less about the re-done crap I already have so ordering by the case online is out of the question. Most of the last waves have been on clearance around here (around $8-$14) and they still won't sell so I doubt these stores have much faith in the line. I think the future of the 12" line is definately in question and if the quality doesn't get better it might be a good idea if they kill it before it drags the whole SW line down. :frus:
08-04-2003, 07:15 PM
12" line has ZERO quality behind it. course i'm only guessing from seeing pictures. the latest 12" figure i've seen was leia boushh disguise. still about a dozen of them clogging the shelves at TRU. KB has plenty of clone troopers, but thats the only 12" figures i'd seen then until the gamorrean arrived last week. i'd buy the 12" line, unleashed, playskool - i'd buy any line i could find. the only SW figures available that i've seen are the 3 3/4" line.
08-04-2003, 08:43 PM
The last 12" SW figure I bought was Dooku, that was like a year ago. I used to pick up nearly every piece in the line, but after the Bounty Hunter wave, the accessories all but disappeared, the sculpts started getting softer, the articulation lagged behind, paint apps got worse, the costumes got cheaper, and the heads seemed to be getting bigger (they were too big to begin with, but now moreso I think); then there's the fact that Hasbro turned all the action-oriented females into moronic-smiling Barbie-wannabes.
Perhaps this is the fault of Ep 2 products not moving as well as expected, but I think part of it is the lack of quality in the Ep 2 12"-scale products that were made. Look at the Super Battle Droid, hollow and poorly articulated. How about Anakin 2, same costume only now on Boston Public's Michael Rappaport. Poor poor Padme... the less said about that, the better. Or the overpriced Luke/Tauntaun set in the boring box.
I haven't seen anything after the Padme/Ani2/Geonosian wave and I doubt I ever will, stores don't want to stock this stuff anymore because people still aren't interested in the Zuckuss, Dengar, Imperial Officer, Dooku, Padme, Anakin, and the other castaways still littering their shelves. I think the problem is that Hasbro didn't even try to reach the benchmark of quality found with POTJ 12"-scale Bossk and IG-88, once they came and went, the quality of the line sank and the collectors weren't as interested.
Basically, I'm blaming this on the quality. Even the highly sought-after 12" Gamorrean Guard has bad paint, poor articulation, and a hand that can't hold accessories.
BTW, what's with the picture (http://www.figures.com/databases/news/starwars/13/2955.jpg) for this poll in the news?
08-04-2003, 08:45 PM
There is a set of new 12 inch figures we haven't even had the Ephant Mon wave here in Springfield, Missouri. I think I will be posting my entire collection vintage and new on ebay because of the disappointment of not finding anything. You would think a town with 3 Kmarts, a Target, and 5 Walmarts would have something. But I did print the letters and send them. I hope you all find what you are looking for because I have given up hope.
08-04-2003, 09:33 PM
I voted no. While I love the concept of a few small waves per year, and some of the figures are really great, most of the newer ones are lacking in articulation and likeness. I really want a few of those figs in that list, but how can I be satisfied with something I can't find? Stores aren't going to re-order toy lines when they linger on the shelves....
Hasbro has to know it's mainly adults who collect these, so they should realize that the rehashes & poor quality bodies/likeness will hurt the line in the long run. I agree with Derek, do smaller more high end lines of figures like in the Sideshow or Marvel Studios vein.
But I have to say that I am definitely satisfied with a few of the ones that I have actually bought:
The Bounty Hunters are awesome (except Boba Fett, replace him with a Marmit).
The Target exclusive Han Carbonite block looks great, and is the perfect addition to the Bounty Hunter set (ditch the horrible pack-in figure).
The entire 6" line was very well done IMO!
Dooku, Maul w/speeder, 14" Vader, Biker Scout, 1st version Boush: all of these are excellent figures! I can say that I am satisfied with them! :D
08-04-2003, 10:39 PM
It's hard to be satisfied with something you don't have !!! Just where in the heck are those 12" Leia on speeder bikes ?!!!! My daughter has been waiting for that piece for the last two years !!!! I haven't had a problem with the newest wave, but I don't feel the need to buy a new Luke or Han until they shrink those goofy bobble heads, and quick using that old GI JOE body. The Dooku, now there was a peice worth collecting! But figure like Padme, I mean, can't Hasbro see how rediculous that looked, I thought it was a joke when I first saw the photos. How can they honestly put out something so crappy?!!! Oh, and Hasbroke, if you get this, it might do ya' some good to design these figures with the ability to actually hold their accessories (i.e.Endor Chewbacca, Zam Wessel, Big Head Padme)
08-04-2003, 11:15 PM
Interesting picture, eh? I was just messing with the latest figures for which all decent efforts to attain them at retail ARE about that messed up.
I still need to actually find these figures, because as you can see, my having to order them from OVERPRICEDTOYS_THATSUCK.com comes to me as really screwed up!
Now I disagree with one point: Dengar and Zuckuss, as well as the Imperial Officer do not suck! They turned out totally awesome.
I think that they are moving slow (and they did not move slow in my area!) for several reasons:
1) overall quality and assurances that collecting the line will reward the consumer with regular new and exciting pieces is not the way most people think of this line nowadays
2) Dengar and Zuckuss are not the most recognizeable characters to be impulse bought by random, new people, and well they are ugly because they are supposed to be. I mean one guy is a surgical case gone wrong, and the other could accessorize a purchase of Roach-Hotels!
But hey, they look right on the way I wanted them, and it's the best Dengar made by Kenner or Hasbro to date!
3) Many people could not find Bossk, IG-88, and 4-LOM, so they gave up on getting the bounty hunters.
4) Many more people wish they could have met people making Star Wars back in the 70's so that Imperials making a statement with sideburns never happened.
2 heads would have been great to offer with that figure!
But hey, one thing I've asked for in every SSG wrap-up at the year's end, has been the full set of 12" Bounty Hunters! Now I got them, set up on my entertainment center almost exactly as they posed on the bridge of Vader's Star Destroyer, so I'm stoked on that whole wave (Dengar, Zuckuss).
But the overall quality of EVERY wave reflects on the success of even the berst waves in this collection. But that's my opinion.
I'd love to see more:
However, I can see them re-releasing the done-befores with "improvements" that chance to make them worse.
Getting Garindan will be a real treasure! While I don't need Obi-Wan, at Comic Con he looked good. The same goes for the Jawas.
08-05-2003, 08:16 AM
I havent bought many of the 12" Line at all. I voted yes. This year I have bought more 12" than 3.75" figures because of the distribution problem. The upcoming ones on the list are some that I will buy. It has gotten me interested in that line again. It is the only thing I can find new right now and has given me my SW fix. :D :Pirate:
08-05-2003, 10:58 AM
I have been collecting 12" since teh line first started, and it was only until now that I have had serious trouble finding the figures. I found the first three (Anakin wave) with ease at retail, but since then. . . forget it. The Lando wave, I have never even seen in person. Tried to get them from Entertainment Earth, but they were sold out rather quickly, and canceled my order when "no more" were arriving. I broke down, and got the last wave (Yoda) from them way in advance, fearing that I would never find those at retail as well. Around here, however, it isn't just the 12". . . I don't find anything. I used to complain when the 12" line was flooded with those exclusives, and it was difficult to obtain them. God how I wish for those days!!!! Now it isn't just difficult. . . its damn near impossible!!!
08-05-2003, 12:01 PM
I haven't been able to find any new one's past the Super Battle Droid wave, so I voted No, I'm not satisfied.
jedi master sal
08-05-2003, 12:25 PM
I fairly satisfied. I've found Lando twice, so I'll count myself lucky there. I didn't buy the Han because it a FUGLY head sculpt. It looks nothing like Harrison Ford. (In fact most of the Han's look nothing like him.) I've yet to see "Yoda and the Ewoks" and I've never seen Leia/Speederbike. Still the line isn't all that bad. I used to be a completist with this line but am no longer. Like others, I find the $20 price tag cumbersome. Recently I began collecting Justice League figures and they just came out with 12 in version for that line, that are only $11 each. Granted those have no where near the detail or artculation as SW figs.
Certainly Hasbro can make better quality while keeping the price the same, but it's all about profits. Nevermind that we the consumers who keep the business going make our opions known that we are unsatisfied.
I'm fairly sure they think we're all suckers and will buy up anything with a SW logo on it.
Well, anyway, I am fairly happy with the line, just no more rehashes or resculpts, please, Hasbro.
08-05-2003, 05:15 PM
The first six of those:
Padme Droid Factory
Anakin Secret Ceremony
Lando Skiff Guard
Han Solo action blasting
have been rotting on the shelves in Toledo at Meijers, ToysRUs, and Target. We have not gotten any 3.5" figures since last November.
Not one. We have the Clone Wars Vehicles, Toys R Us 4-packs, Darth Mauls in sections of 10, but no new figures from this year!
Target even sent their figures back to get new ones yet none have arrived and that was three months ago.
08-05-2003, 07:16 PM
Now I disagree with one point: Dengar and Zuckuss, as well as the Imperial Officer do not suck! They turned out totally awesome. I didn't say those sucked, I said stores don't want to stock this stuff anymore because people still aren't interested in the Zuckuss, Dengar, Imperial Officer, Dooku, Padme, Anakin, and the other castaways still littering their shelves.
My point is that the low quality of some figures affected the sales of all the figures after that no matter the quality.
I'm one of those people who is disappointed, as much as I wanted Zuckuss, I could no longer fool myself into spending $20 on product I had no faith in.
As for your list, I'm afraid I don't have much interest in those, only droids are solidly on my list and after the SBD coming off so poorly, even that doesn't seem promising. I have a huge list, just way different.
08-06-2003, 08:25 AM
I've always picked selective figures when it comes to the 12" figures. The last wave of 12" figures I'd personally seen was the Imp officer, although some of the other have been spotted in my area.
I've attempted to get all of the 12" Leias; I waited until TRU.com had the Boussh on sale for $30, and plan to get the Target Leia and speeder bike as a Christmas present to myself. (She comes out later this fall, Jedi Sal.)
I purchased the 12" Dooku because of the close resemblance to Christopher Lee, and picked up the SBD and Zam Wesel figures on clearance. Hey, if it's on clearance for $10 or less, it's a lot more attractive!!
A fellow collector in the area buys figures by the case from entertainment earth and has offered to sell me the new Jedi Luke and Yoda.
08-06-2003, 07:53 PM
Answer: No (or more like "not really".)
I've also always been pretty selective when it comes to the 12" line. The "I'll have some place to display this stuff someday" attitude has limited me to buying sporadically. I haven't seen a human figure from AOTC that I'm even remotely interested in (except for Dooku!) and Jedi were pretty much what I was focusing on. (Would have been nice if some of the better Jedi choices had been available at retail.) Droids also ... and that's been handled pretty poorly ... well OK, it hasn't been handled at all really. I suppose in general I'm disappointed with the selection of figures relating to AOTC. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see a good version of anything from the OT, but we should have been offered at least as good a selection as we had from episode 1. (I'd hoped that we'd see another version of C-3PO ... how exactly am I going to complete my timeline?) In general, I think the 12" line's momentum did die with the start of the Saga line. You know, maybe Hasbro was a little disappointed that they didn't sell more Anakins or Obi-Wans, but they weren't the quality that they should have been.
I'll take it on an item by item basis though. There is stuff coming out that I'm interested in.
08-07-2003, 01:51 PM
you have hasbro connections.........any chance of them seeing this thread? if i were an employee of hasbro's star wars division, i'd love to see this kind of stuff in this thread so i could better serve my customers.:)
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