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Teeska Mon Eebon
08-22-2003, 07:42 PM
Ok I thought this was supposed to be out back like in June... What's the dileo with this? Does anyone know what the release date for this thing is? And while we're on the subject of late or mesteriosly (Sorry bout the spelling :dead: ) What happened to the repaint of the slave I for ESB deco?

InsaneJediGirl
08-22-2003, 09:00 PM
I think the fighter got pushed back to August/September,but I am not sure.Knowing distribution right now,it could be released and we'd never know it;)

JediTricks
08-23-2003, 02:00 AM
I think it got pushed back when it was transferred to the Clone Wars line, same with the Hailfire Droid.

Val Da Car
08-23-2003, 04:54 PM
They are shipping together in the same case...so I figure Sept/Oct

evenflow
08-23-2003, 05:39 PM
I liek the figure that comes with this one. I dont know if i will pick it up though.

jedi master sal
08-25-2003, 11:30 AM
I'll be picking up at least two of these. If anything just to complete my Dooku/Gunship chase scene.
And those Hailfire Droids! Whew, count 4 for me please!

Leaves sobbing because he has no money. Sometimes it's rough being an army builder...

RussUAE
08-26-2003, 06:19 AM
At least one online retailer is showing them as in stock, so shouldn't be long til they start appearing. Am going for the Hailfire droid to start with and will worry about the Fighters later on - hopefully I can still get hold of them (two needed for Diorama purposes of course).

I must admit the Hailfire Droid is the one figure I've been most excited about this year! Though A-Wing did turn out v nice indeed.

kool-aid killer
08-27-2003, 11:27 AM
I cant wait to get either of them. I must admit that the Hailfire droid looks awesome and in my opinion is the coolest vehicle to come out this year. The Geonosian fighter isnt as exciting but looks cool in its own way.

Dark Marble
08-27-2003, 06:50 PM
What happened to the repaint of the slave I for ESB deco?

Yeah...what did happen to that? :confused:

Jargo
08-28-2003, 09:42 PM
It was just a rumour as far as the saga line goes. it was supposed to be listed as action fleet. Misinformation taken as gospel by the originators of the rumours.

Geo fighter and hailfire droid are September releases. According to most sites I go to. That's the over all feeling I'm getting, that a heck of a lot of stuff is coming through this next month. I'm buying one hailfire droid just to have it. But i'll buy two geo fighters because i like the pilot and The basic shape of the ship is cool. And with those side wing gun things it'll be dead easy to hang it in a flying mode with Dooku between them. Or not. Have to admit that the fighter does look a little cheap and nasty in the pictures. The plastic they've used has a sort of weird semi-opaque quality and the paint apps look so thin. Then there's the missile gun thingies which look tacky. Essentially they've just redesigned the EU twin pod cloud car concept thing into this fighter. The concept cloud car was crap and this doesn't look much better with those wing guns. I'd have preferred a weird engine and laser fire noise instead. Accuracy over lame gimmicks.

The hailfire droid looks a little too colourful too. Everything just looks cheap. real shortcut corner cutting cheap. It's not inspiring me to rush to buy these. I want to believe and keep buying star wars stuff but recently the quality of the materials has dropped further down the sliding scale and I'm finding myself wanting to buy other lines more than than anything star wars despite actually loving the original sculpts of some of the star wars product. It just doesn't live up to it's reputation i'm afraid. I'll spend more this year on Lord of the rings toys and Muppet toys than i will on anything even remotely star wars. And considering i spent $3,000 last year on star wars alone that's saying something about the state of this line right through.

RussUAE
09-10-2003, 07:49 AM
I got my Geo Fighter the other day and I must say I am very pleasantly surprised with it. Looks superb and is larger than I was expecting. The figure fits inside it great too.

The colouring seems perfect too. Only problem is the soft plastic used at the front points of the craft as they sag slightly - but they've got to do that otherwise they'd cause some pretty lethal injuries.

The gun barrel doesn't twizzle either, but v minor point.

All in all, I love it, and will now have to keep my eye out for a second one.

JediTricks
09-20-2003, 12:23 AM
I picked this up today and the gumby front pieces of the ship have already sagged considerably, which is a total bummer. If it wasn't for this problem, I would have liked this toy a lot more and found it much easier to forgive all the problems with the missiles.

Teeska Mon Eebon
09-20-2003, 12:24 PM
Woo Hooo U found this yesterday and love it! THe ends on mine aren't drooping yet but when I first opened it one of them was a little bendy but it's easy to bend it back in shape. The reason I prolly like this set so much is how cool the pilot looks like in there all hooked up and junk...

jedi master sal
09-30-2003, 12:59 PM
Hey, JT all you have to do for the front parts is grind up a Viagra pill, mix it in water and brush onto the front tips. Voila....


er, just kiddin....

Okay, really, if you use a rubber band but not to tight you can straighten them out. Also, I have placed it on a table then put a small brick on it to straighten it out. I've kept it like that for 2 weeks and it looks good now.

Of course you can use whatever heavy object you want to weight it down.

JediTricks
10-01-2003, 09:55 PM
They'll just bend back into messed up positions next time, so I'm just gonna call this one a failure and move onto the future.

plasticfetish
10-06-2003, 08:25 PM
This thing is killing me.

I bought one because I really like the way it looks ... but the missile firing thing is all messed up, so I took it back and got another. Now, it's agreed that the rubber points are lame, but that's the way it is.

So, I get fighter number 2 home and it's better, but the tips are REALLY bent and warped. I take the ship apart, remove the tips and then boil, bend, reshape and cool them. After that they look pretty good. I put it up on the shelf and everything is peachy ... until I look over at it just now. The tips are hooked like a bird's beak and it's completely stupid looking.

The worst design problem that this thing has, is that where the rubber part connects to the hard part, the soft plastic "tabs" that insert inside are super thin. They want to bend and there's nothing to support them. That, and the tips themselves are just SO rubbery ... I'm tempted to try and drill a hole from the inside, and insert a thin metal rod for each to try and make them more rigid.

I really wish that it was possible to order a pair of hard plastic points from Hasbro to swap with the soft ones. I'd even send a photocopy of my drivers license as proof of age. ;) The box says "for ages 4 and up" ... I really think they could have shot for a slightly older audience with this and given us a better design.

JediTricks
10-06-2003, 09:41 PM
LMK if you do decide to drill a hole and put a metal rod inside, I was just thinking of doing that with mine (and maybe my Saga X-wing as well).

seanmcfripp
10-06-2003, 11:04 PM
Boiling works fine, but a hair dryer works just as well (less of a hassle too). Once the plastic is hot, you can bend it anyway you want. When it's straight, run it under cold water. Good as new. Well, bad as new...whatever. They weren't really all that straight to begin with.

I'm just stoked about the pilot. Very nice sculpt for a pack in. I love the ball joint in the torso/ribcage (looks like Durge with the speeder has the same). And the pilot actually, uh...hmmm...what's the word I'm looking for...oh yeah...FITS. What do you know, a pilot that actually fits the cockpit (see thread/rant about Anakin's fighter).

plasticfetish
10-07-2003, 12:08 AM
I'm just stoked about the pilot. Very nice sculpt for a pack in.
Yeah, the pilot is cool ... and so is the rest of the ship, but those tips are SO soft. Heating and re-shaping only works for about 30 minutes ... they're just too soft. Gravity wins here.

JT ... I'll let you know if it works. I may need to hit the hardware store (I've a Harbor Freight Tools near me) for a special long and very thin bit. Most of my tiny bits are only about 3 inches long. Once (if) I can get a pin or rod in, I'm gonna super glue the soft part onto the hard part also.

A lot of work for a $20 toy I'd say.

JediTricks
10-08-2003, 01:44 AM
The pilot on this one technically doesn't "fit", it's just so bendy that you can get it in there with ease. For it to honestly "fit", I think the figure shouldn't have to be warped in any way to get it to interact with the vehicle normally. :D Still, it works way better than the dang Ani Coruscant Speeder.


PF, you may want to try something not straight so you get cross-beam strength. There's not much room in this thing, but a little more than I initially thought. The hardest part will be boring the center out, I think, if you can't find a bit long enough (and I get the feeling you might not) you may want to cut two grooves into an extra version of your strengthening rod and try using that (especially heated up). Too bad that this thing isn't as strong as a Nerf ball.

seanmcfripp
10-08-2003, 01:25 PM
The pilot on this one technically doesn't "fit", it's just so bendy that you can get it in there with ease. For it to honestly "fit", I think the figure shouldn't have to be warped in any way to get it to interact with the vehicle normally. :D Still, it works way better than the dang Ani Coruscant Speeder.

You're right, the skinny legs save the day. I was referring more to the articulation. The ball-jointed torso and neck allow for the appropriate posture for the seat. So he actually looks like he is "comfortable" in the seat. Unlike the Clonetrooper pilot, who falls off to one side of the cockpit and/or looks like he's in a straight jacket. Or say the pilot version of Obi-Wan. Or any figure in a seat for that matter. Nobody wants to sit up straight (except for the TIE pilots, they're nice and snug). I just found it refreshing to see a pilot that actually looked good in his/her vehicle.

I think Durge will be my new favorite though when I get the Deluxe speeder. From pictures I've seen, he's got enough articulation to create a few "cruisin' on my hogg" postures. I wish the Clonetrooper fit on his bike like that.

JediTricks
10-09-2003, 09:36 PM
Ah, I see what you mean. Yes, it is very nice to have a figure that contours to the shape of the seat for once. Obi-Wan pilot in the Jedi Starfighter is a particularly large offender, what the hell is that headrest supposed to do there?!? Looks majorly uncomfortable.

plasticfetish
10-12-2003, 06:47 PM
Well ... the "fix" is done!

Fighter dismantled, tips drilled out and thick steel wire (about 3 inches) carefully inserted. Tips reattached and glued in place for added stability. In the end, it all worked out just fine ... it's been about 20 hours and they're still pointing straight ahead.

I think I may do a brief review with fix-it instructions and photos in the next day or so ... anyone interested?

Val Da Car
10-12-2003, 08:51 PM
Sign me up for the instructions...

JediTricks
10-12-2003, 10:43 PM
Absolutely interested.

jad
10-13-2003, 12:04 PM
I would be interested as well. Although my Geo Fighters tips arn't all that bad, the top one is the only one that really bends all that much, but if it wouldn't be to difficult i'd be interested in making it completely straight. Would it be possible for you to post pics too?

jpak001
10-15-2003, 09:30 PM
Sign me up PF, I want to fix my sagging Geo fighter too! :D

plasticfetish
10-16-2003, 12:17 AM
Cool ... I'm editing photos tonight.
I'll see if I can get them up later.

plasticfetish
10-27-2003, 02:05 AM
As promised days ago, here's the what and how of my own Geonosian Starfighter fix.

First, a quick look at the before and after with "Attachment: a_gsffix.jpg" below.

You can almost see where the wire that I've inserted ends, because the tips start to bend just a little. It's a big improvement as far as I'm concerned though and still looks exactly the same after all this time.

Second, with "Attachment: b_gsffix.jpg" below ... here's a quick pic of the tools and materials used. I know that there's probably a wide range of skill levels around here when it comes to things like this. No doubt there's quite a few of you that have skills far superior to mine when it comes to model building or customizing, and likewise I'm sure there's a few that have little or no experience. I'd give a warning, this "fix" does involve having to take a drill to your toy ... so, be sure that you really want to give it a try before you do. As well, be careful when drilling or cutting. (I don't want to hear how you "modified" your hand with the drill. Seriously, that stuff creeps me out.)

plasticfetish
10-27-2003, 02:17 AM
Now, there's (obviously) lots of screws to remove to open this baby up. I'm going to pick just the bottom half of the ship to demo this. The top half is pretty much the same, perhaps even less complicated with less screws and parts inside.

OK, removing the screws with "Attachment: c_gsffix.jpg" and "Attachment: d_gsffix.jpg" below ...

That'll get it open, but then you'll need to remove the softer rubber tip by removing a few more screws that hold the missile mechanism down.

See "Attachment: e_gsffix.jpg" and "Attachment: f_gsffix.jpg" below ...

A quick note, a few of the screws ... ones up nearest to the rubber tip, where slightly stripped out on my ship. I even decided to root around in my parts pile for a slightly longer screw to replace one of them.

plasticfetish
10-27-2003, 02:35 AM
So, the screws are gone and you've separated the soft tip from the hard plastic body.

See "Attachment: g_gsffix.jpg" below ...

The next part involves the drill. I used two different bits to ream out a hole. First starting with a very thin #40 bit to begin the hole ... and then widening it out with a 1/8" bit. The idea, is to drive the bit in as straight as possible. You'll be fighting to keep the bit from puncturing the outer skin of the starfighter tip as you drill in, and then slowly drill out ... trying to remove as much soft plastic from inside the part as possible. You'll need to bend the tab that connects to the hard part of the body down to get at a good central starting point.

See "Attachment: h_gsffix.jpg" below ...

I laid the part down flat on a work table and then used a free finger to bend the tab down. In retrospect, I think it would have been easier to use a Dremel to run the drill bit. I ended up using a stupidly heavy drill ... it worked but it was a bit of a juggle. As you drill in, you need to go very slowly ... watch where the bit goes and make sure by looking and feeling that it isn't too close to the outer skin on the part. I drilled in about three inches ... that was the length of the bits that I had to use. A longer bit would have been great, but it gets more risky the farther in that you drill.

plasticfetish
10-27-2003, 02:48 AM
I decided to go with a pretty thick piece of steel wire (the kind used to hang a heavy painting) to insert into the Starfighter's tip. I measured it out to match the length of the drill bit, cut it and then filed an end down (with a very small file) so that it had a bit of a point.

See "Attachment: i_gsffix.jpg" below ...

Once the hole was drilled out, I slid the wire in to see how it looked. I noticed that it distorted the smoothness of the part ... it showed that there was something in there ... so I removed the wire and continued reaming out the hole. As you drill out, you'll see plastic coming out from inside the part. The more you can get out the better. Once you can slide the wire in and it doesn't show at all, then you're good. If there's a bulge where the wire is, that means you'll need to clean out the hole some more.

plasticfetish
10-27-2003, 03:09 AM
OK. So the pin's in and it doesn't show ... the next and pretty important part is how you put things back together. One of the things that I've noticed about this ship, is that the majority of the bend seems to occur at the seam where the hard and soft plastic meet. Mainly because the tab that hold them together is kind of thin and the fit between the two isn't perfectly tight. This can be fixed with glue. In this case I used some nice strong "Zap-A-Gap" applied at the points seen in ...

"Attachment: j_gsffix.jpg" below.

Remember ... glues like Zap-A-Gap were originally created to treat open wounds on the battlefield. What it glues best is skin ... so go easy with the stuff.

Once you put the glue on, try and hold the parts together as tightly as possible while it dries. You're trying to get that seam tightened up all nice and neat. It'll help to hold the rubber tip in place a lot better.

See "Attachment: k_gsffix.jpg" below.

In this case, with this half of the ship, when you glue make sure that you don't get glue on the parts from the missile firing mechanism that you could see in "Attachment: f_gsffix.jpg". Let your glue dry thoroughly before you reassemble the parts ... I know that with this glue you can probably go at it pretty quickly, but I recommend letting it dry overnight to make sure that it's good and strong.

plasticfetish
10-27-2003, 03:21 AM
There you have it. Same steps for the other half of the ship and once they're both glued and dry, reassemble ... and enjoy. Like I said, it's been a few weeks and the ship's holding up just fine.

If anyone else gives this a try, good luck and let me know how it works out.
(Any questions, feel free to ask.)

fishyfett
10-27-2003, 12:49 PM
All this trouble for a pair of sagging *****. LOL!!! It's called a safety feature, folks. Obviously, Hasbro wants to make sure nobody's eyes get poked out. It's not the first time it's done. Look at the Interceptor, Jedi Starfigher, EU Cloud Car. Any spot where it's a potential safety hazard will be 'Gumbymized'. Look at Wat Tambor's head.....er, sorry....wrong one. :D

JediTricks
10-27-2003, 10:48 PM
Good instructions PF, definitely have to give that some thought. I can't believe the top nose on yours still bends a little after all that, that's awful, Hasbro should be ashamed.

fishyfett, you're right, it is a safety feature - it prevents the main missile on mine from firing; now that's safe! :rolleyes: :p Mine has the top nose sagging in front of the missile and the bottom nose sagging beneath the lines of the ship, this is unacceptable, only the FX X-wing has ever sagged anywhere near this much and that is considered a massive blunder by most of the collecting community.

plasticfetish
10-28-2003, 12:44 AM
Thanks!

I can't believe the top nose on yours still bends a little after all that, that's awful, Hasbro should be ashamed.
Yeah, it became this big issue of ... how far can I safely drill without puncturing the skin. If I had found a longer drill bit, it would have needed to be really thin to keep from tearing through. But thin bends and wont drill straight ... etc, etc, etc.

At this point I'm not sure if they should be ashamed or if we should simply be amazed that this vehicle got made at all. Even made of that vinyl soft plastic, this thing's an eye hazard ... as if an eyeball (or two) could withstand this warpy stuff rather than hard plastic.


It's called a safety feature
Well, I'm not sure I'd use the word "feature" ... a feature is something you advertise on the front of the box. This seems to me like a last minute change (that wasn't thought out terribly well) to meet safety standards. Why was it a last minute idea? Look at the prototype pics from that Hasbro event ... no seam, no color change and no warped points. My biggest beef with Hasbro has been how the prototypes that they've used to hype and advertise new toys, always look 20 times better than the final product. As for it being too much trouble ... no more than having to box it back up and return it to the store because I don't like the way it looks with a hooked bill.

Besides I've been taking toys apart and fixing and fiddling with them for nearly 30 years now ... :)

LTBasker
10-28-2003, 06:19 AM
You know what they could've done was made the center pieces of sturdy plastic and then outline the ends with soft rubber. True it would still be a safety hazard... You could supply two types of end caps, a soft rubbery or foam kind that fits right around a triangluar center and then a hard plastic kind that snaps right on. Then they could've put a warning box on the front advising parents to put the rubber or foam cap on for little children.

It's not rocket science to make quality, Hasbro. :rolleyes:

You know, I think the way they have it now it's actually alot more of a safety hazard. If someone gets poked in the eye with that it's gonna wiggle and warp to sink in more.

Why do they make things so difficult?..

jpak001
10-28-2003, 08:08 PM
Thanks for taking the time to post those detailed instructions PF! Very nice pics. And nice little trivia about the "zap-a-gap" origin. That's crazy, but I guess it would work (talking about the glueing of open wounds).

I hope I don't puncture my tips when I get around to doing the job.

Thanks again, your instructions are appreciated!

JediTricks
10-28-2003, 10:27 PM
You know what they could've done was made the center pieces of sturdy plastic and then outline the ends with soft rubber. True it would still be a safety hazard... You could supply two types of end caps, a soft rubbery or foam kind that fits right around a triangluar center and then a hard plastic kind that snaps right on. Look at the Jedi Starfighter, it has a softer nosecone around a regular center - why couldn't they have done that?