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Imperial Monarche
09-09-2003, 11:23 PM
I know this thread has been set up so many times it isn't funny, but we could always explore some areas not explored yet. I have always though that the way the PT is presented, the film quality is lightyears beyond that of the OT, but if you really watch it closely, there's really no where in the OT that is visually different than that of the PT (minus some very few bad effects shots and the darkness of the OT). I think the biggest reason I thought this, and others as well, is the fact that ever since the OT has left the theater it has been presented on VHS (which is horrible quality compared to DVD). I think when the movies make a digital transfer and perhaps a digital clean up like they are doing for Indy DVD's, the movies will look flawlessly alike and flow perfectly showing the downfall of a beautiful society to a decrepit universe.

Beast
09-09-2003, 11:52 PM
I think the biggest reason I thought this, and others as well, is the fact that ever since the OT has left the theater it has been presented on VHS (which is horrible quality compared to DVD).
*JJB pets his widescreen laserdisc boxsets of the OT and the OT:SE*

I have to agree totally. The VHS versions have pretty much always looked pretty bad, once you've gotten used to the quality of DVD. But the film is 20 years old, it's always never going to look as perfect as anything new. But the LD versions are still vastly superior to the VHS versions. Which is why my home theater set up will always include a Laserdisc player. It's the best friend a videophile can have. :)

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

plasticfetish
09-10-2003, 02:26 AM
Would be nice if I could find one of these Laserdisc player things that I've heard about ... I'm just waiting for the day when a friend or family member finally walks up and says, "Oh hey, didn't you want one of these? Take this one."
(Oh, some day.)

"I think when the movies make a digital transfer and perhaps a digital clean up like they are doing for Indy DVD's, the movies will look flawlessly alike and flow perfectly showing the downfall of a beautiful society to a decrepit universe."

You know, I'd also think that your pretty much right. I do think that for the most part, we fans would (or should) be able to suspend our tendency to reflexively compare, contrast and then criticize the films when played in sequence. I would hope that the story ... the adventure from start to "finish", would be the most important thing. I find myself trying to get away from contrasting the digital look with the celluloid look ... all of the movies that we have are visually compelling in their own way. Just because something is "new" or something is "old" doesn't automatically make it better or worse.

Yeah. It would be great to have a nicely done digital transfer of the OT ... hopefully done in such a way as to maintain what is best about "film" as a medium. Hopefully the rich and warm characteristics that are inherent with film can be translated to DVD. But agreed, it would have to be better than what we have on VHS. Watching a video tape these days is about as entertaining as listening to music on a cheap cassette tape ... a bit thin.

Kidhuman
09-10-2003, 09:31 AM
Okay, I agree with you that it will look better, but I kinda like watching it on VHS. Call me old fashioned but I do. Kinda the same as slapping an album on a record player and hearing the crackle of the needle. Technology is good and soon enough we will be saying DVD's are bad because of the next best thing. It makes about three times I would have bought the SW OT. VHS, then the SE and then the DVD. Kinda like going from album, to tape, to cd.

MASTER_JEDI
09-11-2003, 11:14 PM
I have total faith they will clean it up perfectly for it's DVD release. Also, not go go off topic, but does anyone else think Lucas will redo the scene where Luke takes the helmet off of Vader? Well, not the Luke parts, but the Vader scene, and have a battle damaged Hayden instead?

I really think he will go this route.

Pendo
09-12-2003, 04:11 AM
I hope not! There's nothing wrong with having another actor portray Anakin, we've had two in the prequels. The only actor I hope is replaced is the old chimp-lady Emperor in ESB. Ian McDiarmid is amazing!!!

I think there may be a bit of a digital clean up, like on the Indy DVDs, but only stuff like removing Han's reflection when running away from the Imperial Bunker :).

PENDO!

Kidhuman
09-12-2003, 07:54 AM
Agreed Pendo, they need toleave Vader alone. He is aged, and all. Putting Haydens mug in there will be horrible.

MASTER_JEDI
09-12-2003, 05:15 PM
Just for the record, I myself hope they will leave it alone, but I just have a strong feeling Lucas will feel the need to change it. :cool:

Pendo
09-13-2003, 08:38 AM
IMO I don't care what Lucas does in the Archival Edition, just as long as we get the original versions on DVD too! If the AE sucks I'd still be able to watch the original versioons :). I can't see what Lucas' big problem is with releasing the original versions?!?

PENDO!

scruffziller
09-13-2003, 10:19 AM
But the LD versions are still vastly superior to the VHS versions. I understand LD is superior to DVD too.

Plus, I don't have a problem adding in scenes that "could have been there" like seeing Bail Organa on Alderan before it blew up. Anything that doesn't change what was there in the beginning is fine with me but don't go changing major things like adding Hayden's face on Vader. The monkey eyes on the emperor can go(ESB) maybe even putting Ian Mcdirmind in there wouldn't bother me because it was suppose to be him all along anyway. New scenes with the Emperor in ANH would be okay. But still, we need ALL and I mean all versions on DVD released!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mr. JabbaJohnL
09-13-2003, 01:01 PM
I can't wait for the DVD release. However, I kind of understand what Lucas is talking about. Maybe it's just me, because the version of the movie I know and love is the SE. The SE made it better in every way, except for Greedo firing first. The Ewok song and celebration is lightyears ahead of the crappy old one. Even still, they need to update some CG effects etc.

tagmac
09-14-2003, 10:41 PM
Having grown up with the original versions, I wish Lucas would just release them like that with no extras now. It would satisfy the longtime fan, and would bring Lucas even more profits, as we would all end up buying theArchival Editions with all the extras anyway. This stubbornness of George to "Never release the original versions again" is extremely annoying and frustrating.

As for the Archival Editions, replacing the old lady & Clive Revill's voice with Ian McDiarmid in ESB should be the top priority. And eliminating Greedo shooting first should also be a priority. Other than that, I'd personally rather not see Lucas change things much more than was already done for the SE's, aside from putting back lost footage, like the Biggs scene and the Wampa scene in the base.

plasticfetish
09-15-2003, 03:31 AM
Maybe it's just me, because the version of the movie I know and love is the SE.
Well, I suppose that's pretty much what bothers me the most about this entire subject. You never did and may never get a chance to really see or know the difference. Hey George Lucas ... Mr. JabbaJohnL deserves to see the OT as it was originaly presented ... bad Ewok music and all. (Hey buddy, if I had to deal with it then, you should have to deal with it now. ;) )

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I think with all of the talk of adding this bit, changing that bit and cleaning up or modifying those bits ... that we're getting away from the idea of just what an "archival edition" would be. The idea of presenting the original trilogy in a form that is most true to how it was presented when each of the films were originally screened. You know ... on the big screen, and not the needlessly dandified versions that we're currently being given.

The main idea presented up top, was that if the films were preserved and presented in a form more true to the original theatrical release versions, that we'd all probably develop or renew a more accurate appreciation for what they had to offer. In other words ... the junk we have on VHS today is a weak substitute for what most of us became hypnotized by decades ago.

I'm frankly 1000 times more interested in something like that, than having the films modified to match up with today's offerings. Why anyone would prefer seeing versions of three of the most historically important motion pictures ever made, only after they have been modified to support a set of hardly as important prequels ... I will never understand. An edited or modified version of a film, especially if it's done only to make it more appealing to the current paying audience, is no better than offering up only a full screen version of a movie ... just because that's what a select group of people will pay to watch.

I suppose no matter what versions we end up with on DVD, that they'll sell just fine.
I hate seeing that the franchise and its marketability holds more importance than the films themselves.