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Beast
10-25-2007, 07:00 PM
Oh, definatly. I wouldn't have gotten the first one if I didn't plan to get the others.

However I'm not going to pre-order it this time. DVD Empire didn't offer it for 50% off if you pre-order. And the in-store prices on release day were only a few bucks more. $69.99 instead of $62.99 + Shipping. So I'm waiting to get Vol. 2 in stores.

El Chuxter
10-25-2007, 08:10 PM
I think Costco had it for less, if you have a membership there. I saw it last night, but don't recall the price for certain.

Jedi_Master_Guyute
11-01-2007, 09:46 AM
I actually ended up taking mine back as I looked at my schedule and saw that I will have no time to watch it until at least next spring and by then, I should be able to get it on a random sale price or something. I'm looking forward to it, but i figured it was dumb to hold onto it for several months and keep it in plastic!

and the official site has posted a wrap video montage of every film, including this one! www.indianajones.com Enjoy! :thumbsup:

Tycho
11-01-2007, 12:49 PM
I got mine from DVD Empire, and while I like to check than any DVDs I mail-order are in good condition, I myself don't have time to watch these right at the moment (I'm basically doing a Star Trek marathon when I have a chance to watch videos and I'm into Season 5 of TNG and liking that a lot right now).

I will keep my Young Indy stuff on the back-burner, but will watch it later and then decide if I'll buy volumes 2 and 3 of the show. I've purchased this on the recommendations of YOU ALL HERE, and have never seen these actually.

Beast
11-01-2007, 02:08 PM
I worked my way through all the episodes, catching up on the extras right now. I'm surprised at how quickly the timeline jumps forward. After 'Episode 5', the timeline advances from Indy at 10 to Indy in his late teens. This is definatly when the series hits it's stride. Sadly the war episodes happen in Volume 2, but this set ends with Indy heading off to World War I as a soldier of the Belgian army. Good stuff. :)

Mad Slanted Powers
11-01-2007, 08:22 PM
I worked my way through all the episodes, catching up on the extras right now. I'm surprised at how quickly the timeline jumps forward. After 'Episode 5', the timeline advances from Indy at 10 to Indy in his late teens. This is definatly when the series hits it's stride. Sadly the war episodes happen in Volume 2, but this set ends with Indy heading off to World War I as a soldier of the Belgian army. Good stuff. :)
I watched the first episode. I agree that the better episodes are when he is older, at least from what I remember. The first one was all right though in that he meets T.E. Lawrence and we begin to see him on the path of acquiring all of that knowledge of language and history that will serve him well when he becomes an archaeologist.

RooJay
11-02-2007, 03:44 AM
When they originally aired, they actually jumped back and forth between Young Indy and Younger Indy. As I recall, the series started out as occasional television specials - the first to be aired was actually kind of sucky and featured the ten year old Indy.

jonthejedi
11-02-2007, 05:51 AM
These are actually altered from their orig. network versions. Gone is the great main title credits, as well as "Old Indy" narrating the bookends. They essentially edited two episodes into a mini-movie.

Mad Slanted Powers
11-02-2007, 09:42 AM
When they originally aired, they actually jumped back and forth between Young Indy and Younger Indy. As I recall, the series started out as occasional television specials - the first to be aired was actually kind of sucky and featured the ten year old Indy.

The first one I recall seeing was when he ended up in Mexico fighting down there. I do remember it alternating between those episodes and the younger ones. However, either they didn't air them all then or I missed some. Years later I saw some longer ones on ABC Family Channel where he was a POW in the war or something.

Beast
11-02-2007, 10:14 AM
These are actually altered from their orig. network versions. Gone is the great main title credits, as well as "Old Indy" narrating the bookends. They essentially edited two episodes into a mini-movie.
I don't mind the fact that Old Indy was edited out. One, he was kinda creepy. And two, that stuff is no longer canon, since he was telling the story to his Daughter's kids. And with Indy IV, we see that Indy has a son instead.

Mad Slanted Powers
11-02-2007, 10:19 AM
I don't mind the fact that Old Indy was edited out. One, he was kinda creepy. And two, that stuff is no longer canon, since he was telling the story to his Daughter's kids. And with Indy IV, we see that Indy has a son instead.
How do we know he doesn't also have a daughter?

El Chuxter
11-02-2007, 10:27 AM
Why can't that revision-happy Lucas just say, "He can't have a son in the new movie. We already established he had a daughter."

Oh yeah, the same reason Boba Fett talks like he's from New Zealand. The guy simply doesn't know how to leave anything alone.

Coming up next: Howard the Duck: Special Edition, with all of Howard's lines digitally altered to sound like Donald Duck.

Tycho
11-02-2007, 10:54 AM
Wow. Is this team also working on Smallville?

RooJay
11-06-2007, 04:13 AM
I don't mind the fact that Old Indy was edited out. One, he was kinda creepy. And two, that stuff is no longer canon, since he was telling the story to his Daughter's kids. And with Indy IV, we see that Indy has a son instead.

Ah, he's still young enough to have another kid! Plus, old Indy was teh coolest!

Tycho
11-06-2007, 11:16 AM
Shia LeBouf's drunken arrest antics in a Walgreens in Chicago are being discussed on the last page of the Live Action Transformers movie thread (this section) for any who are interested.

Jedi_Master_Guyute
11-27-2007, 10:59 PM
Some new stills from Indy 4!

http://justjared.buzznet.com/2007/11/27/indiana-jones-4-movie-stills

:thumbsup:

El Chuxter
11-27-2007, 11:04 PM
So Shia's supposed to be a hardcore James Dean type?

Maybe he'll try so hard to be Dean that he'll inadvertently pick up some acting skills along the way.

JediTricks
11-27-2007, 11:10 PM
Wow, for the first time, I see the age in Ford's face, and it doesn't fit Indy for me.

And nothing about that Shia pic fits Indy for me.

Tycho
11-27-2007, 11:21 PM
I thought "Fonz" on Happy Days for Shia's character. He's the 1950's Elvis type and Ford represents the 1900's to 1940's type. The movie will also play off the generational differences, I'd bet.

So the movie franchise could continue. There'd be Shia in the role of Michigan Jones (Mitch for short) - representative of the height of the American auto production years and the 1950's "boom," and then he will have a son that comes of age in the 1960's, namely California Jones'n in California Jones and the Temple of Ecstacy in which he'll lead the long-hair hippies in Anti-Vietnam War rallies while he races to find the magic bullet that killed Kennedy.

El Chuxter
11-27-2007, 11:32 PM
Fonz was supposed to be based on the type of characters James Dean played, T-Dog.

Jedi_Master_Guyute
11-28-2007, 12:02 AM
So Shia's supposed to be a hardcore James Dean type?


Well, if memory serves, the film takes place in the 1950's, so the style here with the hair isn't too far off. :thumbsup:

El Chuxter
11-28-2007, 12:10 AM
I know time-wise it works. I'm just thinking of how, uh, delinquent the Dean type character is. Pretty boy Shia seems a bit odd in such a role. Is he going to be the rebel biker who gets his butt kicked every day by the guy with highwaters and hornrims?

Tycho
11-28-2007, 01:09 AM
It'll be Jones vs. McFly!

Droid
11-28-2007, 02:41 PM
Lucas does the same things over and over again. He claims it is exploring different themes in different situations, but I think it is that he only ever had a few ideas, great ideas, but only a few. He claims he wants to do other projects but just keeps doing Star Wars and Indy over and over and over agian.

I predict that Shia will be a greaser, with an American Grafiti type car. He will like rock n' roll music. Lucas and Spielberg are both obsessed with a boy and his car, the 1950's, childhood.

I predict that we get a scene of Shia fighting some local toughs, maybe drag racing.

At some point during his and Indy's adventure the car will get destroyed and Shia will be beside himsef "my car, my car". Indy will say, "Don't worry about it, kid. We've got bigger problems right now."

This is going to be terrible. Mark my words.

preacher
11-28-2007, 04:21 PM
I couldn't agree more. There are just some characters, who should be remembered in their prime. James Bond was treading dangerously close to becoming a parody of himself. Thankfully Casino Royal re-energized Bond by bringing him back to his roots. This wouldn't work for Indy. Harrison is so identifiable with this character that you can't use anyone else.

The whole draw of Raiders was that it was a whole bunch of snipits from old serial movies all combined together over 8 acts! It defied convention storytelling, but totally worked.

Temple of Doom basically took ideas that were explored in Raiders, but were cut because of time constraints. So it also worked. Just not as well.

Last Crusade is my least favorite. There wasn't a whole lot that was drawn from old serials. Crusade was a slapstick of sorts on the same vein as Abott and Costello which in and of itself was like a serial.

The setting of Journey of the Crystal Skull, or whatever the stupid title of Indy4 is, is stupid. I cannot understand for the life of me, how repeating the the slapstick formula in an American Graffiti setting is going to make Indy grow. Spielberg's judgment has been highly questionable, after Schindler's List and Saving Private Ryan, I think he suffered from delusions of grandeur. Most of his movie's after those two have sucked. Lucas had a great run with the original trilogy of Star Wars, but after the Special Edition edits, I really wondered what Lucas was thinking. I would say that the only glimmer of hope this Indy 4 isn't going to as bad as we think is Harrison Ford. Most of his work has not sucked, however his union with Callista Flockhart really has me questioning his judgement as well.

The prequel trilogy and original trilogy followed too many of the same plot elements. I don't mind that the same theme is explored. But when the same plot elements exploit the growth of character in that theme it reeks of writer's block. Lucas's claim that his stories are like individual phrases that repeat themselves in different ways is a huge copout. He had his creative day, now he just looks more and more rediculous everytime he "re-explorers" already explored ground.

Mad Slanted Powers
11-28-2007, 09:21 PM
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Temple of Doom basically took ideas that were explored in Raiders, but were cut because of time constraints. So it also worked. Just not as well.

Last Crusade is my least favorite. There wasn't a whole lot that was drawn from old serials. Crusade was a slapstick of sorts on the same vein as Abott and Costello which in and of itself was like a serial.Temple of Doom is my least favorite of the three. Last Crusade is about equal with Raiders. I thought the humor worked well in that one, just as it did in the original. It's been a long time since I've seen Temple of Doom in its entirety. Too many bugs, monkey brains and hearts being ripped out of chests. I didn't much care for Short Round either.

I'm optimistic about this one. Thus, I'll probably like it while everyone else here will hate it.

JediTricks
11-30-2007, 05:01 AM
Fonz was supposed to be based on the type of characters James Dean played, T-Dog.Actually, Marlon Brando from The Wild One, which is why Fonzie never would comb his hair - Henry Winkler didn't want to do it because it'd be a direct Brando ripoff.

Jedi_Master_Guyute
12-10-2007, 10:58 AM
A new Poster is up!! http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=40111 I likey, a lot!

:thumbsup:

Tycho
12-10-2007, 07:26 PM
That's a cool poster JMG. I'd buy one to hang up in my place actually.

2-1B
12-10-2007, 07:50 PM
Notice they didn't smear Shia's mug all over that thing...

stillakid
12-10-2007, 08:16 PM
The Cold War? I read that synopsis and was left wondering to myself what I thought. When I think of "Indiana Jones" the warm tones of the 40s (hat, leather, horses, old cars, etc) come to mind. When I think about "the Cold War" my mind goes to colder grays and that institutional green they used on submarines. Somehow I'm having trouble picturing "Indy" in any other time period than the earlier part of the last century.

I'm not saying that I don't like it or that I won't give it a chance. That was just my first off-the-cuff involuntary response.

Anyone else feel that way?

JimJamBonds
12-10-2007, 09:59 PM
A new Poster is up!! http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=40111 I likey, a lot!

:thumbsup:

I think its lame, its the same "Indy pose" as the others and insert a flaming skull in the background.

Tycho
12-10-2007, 10:23 PM
The Cold War? I read that synopsis and was left wondering to myself what I thought. When I think of "Indiana Jones" the warm tones of the 40s (hat, leather, horses, old cars, etc) come to mind. When I think about "the Cold War" my mind goes to colder grays and that institutional green they used on submarines. Somehow I'm having trouble picturing "Indy" in any other time period than the earlier part of the last century.

I'm not saying that I don't like it or that I won't give it a chance. That was just my first off-the-cuff involuntary response.

Anyone else feel that way?

I didn't think that hard about it. I don't feel as invested with Indiana Jones as say Transformers. Whatever they do with Jones might be fine with me. It's just entertainment.

Somehow, Transformers became my religion to me.

decadentdave
12-10-2007, 11:31 PM
The poster is up to order at Star Wars Shop. (http://shop.starwars.com/catalog/product.xml?product_id=415070;category_id=;pcid1=; pcid2=)

Mad Slanted Powers
12-10-2007, 11:31 PM
As I understand, it is taking place many years after the setting of the other films. If that places it in the 50's, that is certainly the beginning of the Cold War. There aren't Nazi's for him to fight with anymore, so if he's fighting Russians or something, that makes sense.

Droid
12-11-2007, 10:47 AM
As I understand, it is taking place many years after the setting of the other films. If that places it in the 50's, that is certainly the beginning of the Cold War. There aren't Nazi's for him to fight with anymore, so if he's fighting Russians or something, that makes sense.

I don't think that they should have done another Indy film, but if someone was going to do it I always thought he could be in South America searching for some relic and run into Nazis hiding in South America, looking for the same artifact he was to restore the Reich.

Also, I am uncomfortable with Russians as bad guys. Everyone hated the Nazis in the '40's and hate the Nazis now, so it was OK to make them cardboard cutout, twirling the mustache villains. But we now are at peace with the Russians, the cold war is over, and the stereotype of the evil Russian seems out of place. People said Temple of Doom was racist for its portrayal of the Indians, I wonder how this will go over.

Jedi_Master_Guyute
12-11-2007, 11:24 AM
I kinda see your point, but this is a film for pete sake. It always irritates me when people complain about the portrayal of somebody else in a movie. It's a fake film, if you don't like it, don't want watch it, ya know? I'm actually glad he's not fighting nazis as two of the three movies were against them and it'd feel repetitive.

then again I do have a racist stereotype because of films........against Gungans. hehehehehe :thumbsup:

Tycho
12-11-2007, 11:48 AM
Well, in current events, Vladmir Putin may be on the rist towards being our enemy, or at least our rival again - if all the media spin is true. I question everything.

But popular media can be influenced by government policy, and it often attempts to do the reverse - see Stop-Loss with Ryan Phillipe coming out next March.

El Chuxter
12-11-2007, 12:52 PM
I don't think that they should have done another Indy film, but if someone was going to do it I always thought he could be in South America searching for some relic and run into Nazis hiding in South America, looking for the same artifact he was to restore the Reich.

That's a good point. The (totally made-up BS) stories about crystal skulls are in South America, so Nazis in hiding would fit perfectly.

Lucas was probably too busy squeezing in the fart jokes and pointless car race to notice that, though.

jonthejedi
12-12-2007, 05:46 AM
I grabbed the stunning INDY IV teaser poster by the amazing Drew Struzan...since I have all the originals as well. Still on prebook over at Shop SW.com.

stillakid
01-02-2008, 10:25 PM
http://io9.com/339660/george-lucas-explains-why-youll-hate-indy-iv

I love how Lucas has predecided that fans have predecided to hate it already. So he's basically washing his own hands of anything that would make the movie inherently poor by blaming bad reviews on fans and press who decide to hate it for personal reasons. It the Prequels weren't indication enough, Lucas has officially lost touch with reality.

I don't know anybody who has anything but eager anticipation for the next Indy. A bit of cautious hesitation, maybe, given that Lucas tossed away Darabont's script for vindictive reasons. And we all know what a great writer Lucas can be. :rolleyes: But why would Lucas say anything like this at all? He's a f'in loon. :straightjacket:




Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull will be hitting theater screens on May 22nd, marking nineteen years since we've seen the whip-swinging archeaologist going after mysterious antiquities and occasionally teaching school. However, George Lucas thinks that both critics and fans alike will hate the movie. Find out why he told Vanity Fair (that glossy scifi rag) you'll be scowling at Indy this summer.



http://io9.com/assets/images/gallery/8/2008/01/smallish_2158686307_a4868be752_o.jpg (http://io9.com/photogallery/indyivvf/1000392709)
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"I know the critics are going to hate it," he says. "They already hate it. So there's nothing we can do about that. They hate the idea that we're making another one. They've already made up their minds." Have we? Granted, we think Harrison might be too old. Sure, we're not certain how this will do without familiars like Marcus Brody and Sallah. Yes, we love to playa-hate on things. But deep down we all hope this rocks and takes us back to that special place we were at when we saw Raiders for the first time. We don't want to hate this movie, we want to love it.

"The fans are all upset. They're always going to be upset. 'Why did he do it like this? And why didn't he do it like this?' They write their own movie, and then, if you don't do their movie, they get upset about it. So you just have to stand by for the bricks and the custard pies, because they're going to come flying your way." People at last year's Comic-Con were peeing in their pants when Karen Allen got introduced as Marion. Literally. The smell was overwhelming. Call me nuts, but I think the fans are excited about this thing.

Lucas didn't mention this one, but a potential reason we're already starting to dislike this film is the inclusion of Shia Lebeouf as "Mutt," and probably the offspring of Indy and Marion (Karen Allen), although no one is officially confirming that. He irritated the crap out of us in Transformers, and we have a really itchy feeling that he'll do the same here. However, we're willing to backpocket that and chalk it up to rampant speculation. For now. Mostly because of this picture (http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=2158686409&size=o) of him (bleh) sitting in the massive warehouse from Raiders of the Lost Ark (rad).
'And then (spoiler warning) Lucas gets a little more (spoiler alert) specific: Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull will apparently nudge our hero away from his usual milieu of spooky archaeology and into the realm of (spoiler Code Red) science fiction.' Sorry Georgie, but this sounds like a reason we'll love Indy IV. We're tired of him going after religious artifacts with supernatural powers. Give us Indy and something all science-y and steampunk-y and we'll love it. But the Area 51 aliens (http://io9.com/338945/first-glimpse-of-indiana-jones-aliens-++-in-lego)? Ouch.

Not that he mentions it, but another reason to like Indy IV is Cate Blanchett in this Russian dominatrix outfit (http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=2158686217&context=set-72157603609836384&size=o). Me-yow.
The Vanity Fair author drops this quote from himself near the end of the piece: "No one outside of the filmmakers will know for sure until May 22, but it would be pretty cool if it turns out that Emperor Palpatine had dropped a crystal skull on Earth. Or maybe one was left behind by the skinny dudes from Close Encounters of the Third Kind. Or maybe it's, like, E.T.'s cell phone. :)" If it turns out that anything from the Star Wars universe had anything to do with the Indiana Jones world, then fans are going to march to George Lucas' Skywalker Ranch, burn it to the ground, and then **** into the ashes before trekking down the Spielberg's slightly harder to find domicile and chugging gallons of water on the way in hopes of repeating the process.
This goes triple as Harrison Ford hops into a classic 1950s car and drives to an American Graffiti-esque diner in this movie.

Mad Slanted Powers
01-02-2008, 10:46 PM
I don't know anybody who has anything but eager anticipation for the next Indy. A bit of cautious hesitation, maybe, given that Lucas tossed away Darabont's script for vindictive reasons. And we all know what a great writer Lucas can be. :rolleyes: But why would Lucas say anything like this at all? He's a f'in loon. :straightjacket:Reading through this thread, I've seen plenty of pessimism about it. People don't like the title, they don't like Shia, they don't like some of the elements they've heard or seen so far, or they just don't think it should even be made and expect it will be bad.


This is going to be terrible. Mark my words.
http://forums.sirstevesguide.com/showpost.php?p=582867&postcount=274

Where is the optimism in that?

decadentdave
01-02-2008, 10:52 PM
Lucas is right. I'm not being an apologist for Lucas because I have vehemently disagreed with a lot of Lucas' decisions regarding the special editions and prequels but the fans are going to crucify him no matter what. He could never please them as evidenced by the Prequels. He knows he's "dammed if he does, damned if he doesn't" so he already anticipates the backlash ala Star Wars. Rabid obsessive fanboy nerds always think they have a better movie shot in their heads and Lucas won't live up to their expectatons so he's just making it for himself, not them. I'm tired of arrogant fanboys thinking they know how to make a better movie than its creator. Go make your own Star Wars or Indiana Jones and then have something to show for it, otherwise take it or leave it. It is what it is and there's nothing anybody can do about it. If Crystal Skull sucks like everybody has already made up their minds that it will, you always have the originals to go back to.

El Chuxter
01-02-2008, 11:07 PM
Thinking it's not going to be up to par and wanting it to not be up to par are two different things. I'm not going into this hating it or Lucas. I just think that he has lost a lot of credibility as a storyteller in the wake of the prequels, and the early indications I'm seeing aren't putting a good feeling in my mind. I want this to be good. I'm just not getting my hopes up.

Rabid obsessive fanboys didn't think they had better prequels in their heads. But they, and most other folks, can spot bad storytelling a mile away, especially coming on the heels of three truly great movies. (Sorry, guys, I'm never bashing ROTJ.)

Neuroleptic
01-02-2008, 11:10 PM
Personaly, I am looking forward to the latest Indiana Jones movie. The title is a little weard . . . but I don't think at this point in his carriear that Harrisen Ford would sighn up for a bad movie, and Steven Spieldburg has the tendency to turn even the worst films into atleast entertaining with his directing skills.

Even if it isn't as good as the older Indys (wich we can't say because we havn't seen it yet, but it'll be tough to top them), I think it will at least be fun to watch.:whip:

El Chuxter
01-02-2008, 11:14 PM
but I don't think at this point in his carriear that Harrisen Ford would sighn up for a bad movie

Firewall
K-19
What Lies Beneath
Random Hearts
Six Days Seven Nights

Maybe not necessarily bad, but definitely not great or very successful. I had to go back ten full years to find movies with him I actually liked (The Devil's Own and Air Force One, both in 1997).

With Spielberg, his recent stuff is good, but you have to go back almost as far (1998, Saving Private Ryan) to find true greatness.

decadentdave
01-02-2008, 11:17 PM
Oh man, Six Days Seven Nights was the WORST! It was like watching a beloved alcoholic family member drink themselves into oblivion at the holiday family get-together.

Mad Slanted Powers
01-02-2008, 11:17 PM
Thinking it's not going to be up to par and wanting it to not be up to par are two different things. I'm not going into this hating it or Lucas. I just think that he has lost a lot of credibility as a storyteller in the wake of the prequels, and the early indications I'm seeing aren't putting a good feeling in my mind. I want this to be good. I'm just not getting my hopes up.Well, I liked the prequels for the most part, so I probably won't be as disappointed.

General_Grievous
01-02-2008, 11:24 PM
I don't know. Four times have been charms before (Live Free or Die Hard, Rocky IV, Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire, TMNT). I'm more than willing to give ol' Indy another shot.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
01-03-2008, 10:35 PM
"The fans are all upset. They're always going to be upset. 'Why did he do it like this? And why didn't he do it like this?' They write their own movie, and then, if you don't do their movie, they get upset about it."
Yup, definitely off his nut. I've NEVER seen ANYONE do anything like this.

Oh, wait . . .

RooJay
01-04-2008, 01:32 AM
Firewall
K-19
What Lies Beneath
Random Hearts
Six Days Seven Nights

Maybe not necessarily bad, but definitely not great or very successful. I had to go back ten full years to find movies with him I actually liked (The Devil's Own and Air Force One, both in 1997).

With Spielberg, his recent stuff is good, but you have to go back almost as far (1998, Saving Private Ryan) to find true greatness.

Okay, not that I support the notion that this new Indy film should have any bad expectations surrounding it, but all the films you list there were, in fact, necessarily bad. Very, very bad.

JediTricks
01-04-2008, 06:04 AM
I love this reasoning. Yeah, we all hated Last Crusade which came 8 years after the first film, that really proved your point, you portly plaid pompous punk. :rolleyes: Oh wait, no, a lot of fans liked it even though it was imperfect, it's just that you used to make better movies and are now so insistent upon taking obstacles out of your way that you've failed to realize that obstacles can often help make an artist create a better final project than the sloppy, bloated filmmaker you've become. But don't worry, none of that will be true because you've already determined that I won't like it for the reasons you've given, after all, you're clearly in touch with the viewing audience since you're so hungry and close to them - wait, we're not all billionaires living in idyllic compounds in central California, cut off from the real world as much as possible and wielding enough power to bury anybody who disagrees with even our slightest whims? Well, at least you've proven you understand best how to balancing writing, producing, a measure of restraint with your digital toys, and the understandings of proper editing to achieve maximum pacing in your later films, right Mr. Lucas? Because all that sticks like glue to your last 3 recent projects, right Mr. Lucas? Right?

General_Grievous
01-04-2008, 12:47 PM
Firewall
K-19
What Lies Beneath
Random Hearts
Six Days Seven Nights

Maybe not necessarily bad, but definitely not great or very successful. I had to go back ten full years to find movies with him I actually liked (The Devil's Own and Air Force One, both in 1997).

With Spielberg, his recent stuff is good, but you have to go back almost as far (1998, Saving Private Ryan) to find true greatness.

You forgot Hollywood Homicide.

JediTricks
01-06-2008, 04:31 PM
Well, it was quite forgettable.

Jedi_Master_Guyute
01-06-2008, 04:40 PM
I kinda see Lucas' point: fans and critics have their own idea what certain films should be and if it doesn't meet their own personal idea, they're bound to hate it.

I'm still really looking forward to this flick cos I really don't think all three men (Lucas, Spielberg, Ford) would have signed on if the script and the project wasn't top notch. Just my two cents. :thumbsup:

El Chuxter
01-06-2008, 07:51 PM
I didn't forget it. I saw it on the list of his movies and left it out since I'd never even heard of it. I thought maybe it was a made-for-TV movie in Australia or something.

Jedi_Master_Guyute
01-20-2008, 05:34 PM
Tour Indy's home!

http://www.indianajones.com/site/?deeplink=videos/1/v27

The pic of Willie is just silly and I really like the pic of Indy and Sallah! :thumbsup:

General_Grievous
01-20-2008, 07:48 PM
Why is there no trailer for this yet?

joshephe
01-20-2008, 09:54 PM
it comes out Feb 15

Droid
01-21-2008, 03:24 PM
Tour Indy's home!

http://www.indianajones.com/site/?deeplink=videos/1/v27

The pic of Willie is just silly and I really like the pic of Indy and Sallah! :thumbsup:

Maybe the pictures won't show up on screen, but having production photos from the other films is really stupid. Why would he have a picture of Willie in her dress from Last Crusade if he even kept a picture of Willie around at all? That picture of Henry Sr. is directly out of Last Crusade. I don't remember anyone snapping that shot and giving it to Indy as a souvenir. It would have been better to have black and white pictures we assumed to be Indy's mother.

Droid
01-21-2008, 03:26 PM
Reading through this thread, I've seen plenty of pessimism about it. People don't like the title, they don't like Shia, they don't like some of the elements they've heard or seen so far, or they just don't think it should even be made and expect it will be bad.


http://forums.sirstevesguide.com/showpost.php?p=582867&postcount=274

Where is the optimism in that?

Sometimes it is better to be right than optimistic. If I am wrong, I will gladly come back and say how great I thought it was.

Spielberg, Lucas, and Ford have all a hand in stinkers. I fear there is some group think going on.

Droid
01-21-2008, 03:31 PM
Lucas is right. I'm not being an apologist for Lucas because I have vehemently disagreed with a lot of Lucas' decisions regarding the special editions and prequels but the fans are going to crucify him no matter what. He could never please them as evidenced by the Prequels. He knows he's "dammed if he does, damned if he doesn't" so he already anticipates the backlash ala Star Wars. Rabid obsessive fanboy nerds always think they have a better movie shot in their heads and Lucas won't live up to their expectatons so he's just making it for himself, not them. I'm tired of arrogant fanboys thinking they know how to make a better movie than its creator. Go make your own Star Wars or Indiana Jones and then have something to show for it, otherwise take it or leave it. It is what it is and there's nothing anybody can do about it. If Crystal Skull sucks like everybody has already made up their minds that it will, you always have the originals to go back to.

My biggest criticism is not the choices made in the prequels or Indy IV, but that they are being made AT ALL.

I think that Lucas, Spielberg, and Ford should realize that they were a part of something special and leave well enough alone. Lucas should have let Star Wars go after Return of the Jedi since his original idea was a trilogy with a strong backstory that WOULDN'T be told. Lucas claims he has all these great ideas and he wants to make movies that people probably wouldn't want to see, but he just keeps beating the same two horses: Star Wars and Indiana Jones, until all the original magic has vanished and been replaced with a large pile of money.

Do any of them think there should have been a Citizen Kane 2, a Casablanca 2, Gone with the Wind 2, Wizard of Oz 2, or It's a Wonderful Life 2? No, sometimes you can make something great, a great piece of art and then walk away, leaving it alone for future generations to enjoy while you DO SOMETHING ELSE.

stillakid
01-21-2008, 04:10 PM
Lucas is right. I'm not being an apologist for Lucas because I have vehemently disagreed with a lot of Lucas' decisions regarding the special editions and prequels but the fans are going to crucify him no matter what. He could never please them as evidenced by the Prequels. He knows he's "dammed if he does, damned if he doesn't" so he already anticipates the backlash ala Star Wars. Rabid obsessive fanboy nerds always think they have a better movie shot in their heads and Lucas won't live up to their expectatons so he's just making it for himself, not them. I'm tired of arrogant fanboys thinking they know how to make a better movie than its creator. Go make your own Star Wars or Indiana Jones and then have something to show for it, otherwise take it or leave it. It is what it is and there's nothing anybody can do about it. If Crystal Skull sucks like everybody has already made up their minds that it will, you always have the originals to go back to.


Everybody? :confused: I presume you have a list of "everyone" who already has decided to hate Indy IV that you wouldn't mind sharing with the class.

The "arrogant fanboys" you casually refer to didn't decide to "prehate" the Star Wars Prequels. Rather, we, like the Lucas-ites, went into each film wanting the best but witnessing the worst. It is improper and rude to blame the quality of a film on the viewers who watch it.

IF there is any anticipated "caution" from eager fans of Indiana Jones, it is well deserved given Lucas's recent track record as well as Spielberg's somewhat declining level of quality over the years. Given that Lucas summarily tossed out a Frank Darabont script for Indy IV for purely political reasons, it seems somewhat clear that Lucas does not really have the best interests of the project in mind. So with reasons such as those, it is not out of the question for fans to be cautious going into a fourth installment of Indiana Jones. As for those who have decided to pre-hate it already, I still have yet to meet anyone like that or anyone who ever pre-hated any of the Star Wars Prequels. The entire concept is ridiculous and anyone who subscribes to it is just being silly.

Jedi_Master_Guyute
01-21-2008, 04:39 PM
Everybody? :confused: I presume you have a list of "everyone" who already has decided to hate Indy IV that you wouldn't mind sharing with the class.

The "arrogant fanboys" you casually refer to didn't decide to "prehate" the Star Wars Prequels. Rather, we, like the Lucas-ites, went into each film wanting the best but witnessing the worst. It is improper and rude to blame the quality of a film on the viewers who watch it.

Went in expecting the best and witnessed the worst? This all depends on your point of view, Mr. Kid. I too know a handful of folks who had already hated the prequels before seeing them. Who could that be? I'd like that list too cos there would be a few names on it i'd recognize.


IF there is any anticipated "caution" from eager fans of Indiana Jones, it is well deserved given Lucas's recent track record as well as Spielberg's somewhat declining level of quality over the years. Given that Lucas summarily tossed out a Frank Darabont script for Indy IV for purely political reasons, it seems somewhat clear that Lucas does not really have the best interests of the project in mind. So with reasons such as those, it is not out of the question for fans to be cautious going into a fourth installment of Indiana Jones. As for those who have decided to pre-hate it already, I still have yet to meet anyone like that or anyone who ever pre-hated any of the Star Wars Prequels. The entire concept is ridiculous and anyone who subscribes to it is just being silly.

I agree here. It is silly to hate a film before even seeing it. I still think that Lucas, Spielberg and Ford would not have signed on to do the flick unless the script was solid.

I don't agree that Spielberg has had declining quality: he produced films like Letters from Iwo Jim, Flags of Our Fathers, and directed films like Munich, Minority Report, and so forth. The only bad flick i'd say he's done recently was War of the Worlds.

I'm still very excited about this film, but i'm sure there will be arrogant fanboys who will argue and nitpick about things that they would have done versus what was done. Just can't please everyone I guess. :thumbsup:

El Chuxter
01-21-2008, 06:22 PM
I don't agree that Spielberg has had declining quality: he produced films like Letters from Iwo Jim, Flags of Our Fathers, and directed films like Munich, Minority Report, and so forth. The only bad flick i'd say he's done recently was War of the Worlds.

I (at least) didn't say he's done bad movies, but he hasn't directed a "Holy crap, that is one of the best movies ever!" films in a decade or more. Saving Private Ryan was the last movie of that caliber. At one point, the majority of his oevre was that good: Jurassic Park, ET, Schindler's List, Jaws, Close Encounters, even the first three Indy movies. Hell, his first full-length movie was a made-for-TV flick about a crazy trucker that should've, by all logic, sucked. But he turned even that into an amazing, amazing flick (Duel).

I love his recent movies, but they're not in the same category of "greatness." Before, if he slipped to "merely very good" for a movie or two, he'd always come back. But the past ten years have been "merely very good."

As for his production credits, I'll say Transformers and leave it at that.

stillakid
01-21-2008, 06:25 PM
Went in expecting the best and witnessed the worst? This all depends on your point of view, Mr. Kid. I too know a handful of folks who had already hated the prequels before seeing them. Who could that be? I'd like that list too cos there would be a few names on it i'd recognize.


So you're claiming that you know people who went to the theater to see The Phantom Menace on opening night who had already decided to hate it?! :sur: Really? Please, I'm dying to see this extensive list of names.

Mad Slanted Powers
01-21-2008, 07:54 PM
I saw TPM just 3 days after it had opened but I had been hearing bad things about it for a while. So, somebody must have decided they didn't like it already. If they already had negative feelings before they even see it about Qui-Gon, Jar Jar, CGI and that it wasn't starting in the Clone Wars, then seeing those things on screen will just reaffirm their preconceived notions. Perhaps I was on the other end of the spectrum. With all the bad things I had heard, I was worried that it wouldn't live up to the hype. I think I was determined that I wasn't going to let those things ruin the movie for me. AOTC and ROTS weren't quite as successful in that respect, because I did feel some disappointment with them. However, the only disappointment I felt with TPM was that it was over and I had to wait three more years for AOTC.

Droid
01-21-2008, 09:30 PM
So you're claiming that you know people who went to the theater to see The Phantom Menace on opening night who had already decided to hate it?! :sur: Really? Please, I'm dying to see this extensive list of names.

Yes, I PREDICT Indy IV will be terrible, but I would LOVE it to be the best Indy film yet. Given some of the choices I have already heard that have been made for this film, I unfortunately already think that we are headed down a bad road.

I went to see the Phantom Menace more excited than I had been to see any other movie than I can remember in my life. And I defended it for several years, closing my eyes to its obvious flaws and contradictions with the original trilogy. And then I saw Attack of the Clones and was bitterly disapointed, and realized that the trilogy was really not very good. But despite all that I really hoped somehow Revenge of the Sith would pull it all together. And it didn't.

Spielberg, Ford, and Lucas have all let me down, so I fail to see how the three of them together couldn't let me down. Spielberg made the Lost World and War of the Worlds and produced Transformers. Harrison Ford made Hollywood Homicide and Random Hearts. George Lucas made the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles and the prequels.

Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade is my favorite non-Star Wars movie.
Excuse me if I would rather not be let down again.

But once again, I hope I love it. I hope I am crazy for it. I wish I had been wild for the prequels. Really, I do.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
01-21-2008, 09:55 PM
I saw TPM only two years after I had seen the OT for the first time, so I didn't have 16 years to build up notions of what it should be and I wasn't disappointed in that respect. Maybe that's why I (and other younger people) like the PT more than older people do, or at least part of the reason? Before I get attacked with "It's because you're young and stupid and I'm smart since I'm older than you," I recognize that none of the films are perfect and I don't claim that they are. I was excited for all the PT movies before they came out and I still love all of them, so the supply met the demand as far as hype goes.

As far as Indiana Jones, I like them; they're fun movies. That's the only expectation I have of the fourth one.

2-1B
01-21-2008, 10:54 PM
I hate the fact that Indiana Jones gets coverage in Star Wars themed stuff like the Insider...sure they're okay movies but I hate the fact that because it's LFL, it's assumed I want to learn more about it.

Same goes for Willow, Howard the Duck, and Radioland Murders. Also, Tucker.

El Chuxter
01-21-2008, 11:24 PM
JJL, it's because you're young and stupid and I'm smart since I'm older than you.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
01-22-2008, 06:20 PM
JJL, it's because you're young and stupid and I'm smart since I'm older than you.
DAMN YOU!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

Tycho
01-22-2008, 06:33 PM
JabbaJohn, don't take that from a guy who constantly posts how cool he thinks Grimlock is. :D

El Chuxter
01-22-2008, 06:39 PM
As one grows older, one comes to appreciate more such nuggets of wisdom as "Me Grimlock no want hear about wipers! Get to good part!" And "Me Grimlock no bozo. Me Grimlock king!"

Totally off-topic, but have you seen the original TF movie, JJL?

2-1B
01-22-2008, 08:22 PM
JabbaJohn, don't take that from a guy who constantly posts how cool he thinks Grimlock is. :D

Or from a well documented EU hater like Chux.

Jedi_Master_Guyute
01-22-2008, 08:36 PM
stay on topic gents. talk about your giant robots and shenanigans in their proper threads. thanks! :thumbsup:

Mr. JabbaJohnL
01-22-2008, 11:21 PM
stay on topic gents. talk about your giant robots and shenanigans in their proper threads. thanks! :thumbsup:
I will after I say to Chux that I have not seen any Transformers movie or show.

So, how 'bout that Indiana Jones . . .

General_Grievous
01-23-2008, 10:47 PM
Indiana Jones? I'm sick of waiting for the trailer. They've held off long enough with this. Jeez, it's like a pregnant woman not announcing that she's having a baby until she's in her third trimester.

joshephe
01-23-2008, 10:59 PM
as i said earlier the trailer comes out on Feb 15th

Mad Slanted Powers
01-23-2008, 11:25 PM
It doesn't seem like that long ago that they started working on this, so I certainly wasn't expecting a trailer yet.

decadentdave
01-23-2008, 11:56 PM
They are trying to delay the trailer as long as possible to avoid showing just how old Harrison really is and how embarrassing he looks trying to do his own stunts. I think they are genuinely worried about the reaction and how it will impact box office. Lucas always tries to downplay everything in interviews saying things like "The fans will hate it... blah, blah, blah" but truth is he is worried about the backlash and just doesn't want to admit it. He even told Carrie Fisher after Episode I that he thought that he ruined Star Wars. He knows it, just tries to downplay it with his phony modesty and humbleness.

Droid
01-24-2008, 11:30 AM
They are trying to delay the trailer as long as possible to avoid showing just how old Harrison really is and how embarrassing he looks trying to do his own stunts. I think they are genuinely worried about the reaction and how it will impact box office. Lucas always tries to downplay everything in interviews saying things like "The fans will hate it... blah, blah, blah" but truth is he is worried about the backlash and just doesn't want to admit it. He even told Carrie Fisher after Episode I that he thought that he ruined Star Wars. He knows it, just tries to downplay it with his phony modesty and humbleness.

Gosh, I was surprised to read this quote from the person who wrote:

Lucas is right. I'm not being an apologist for Lucas because I have vehemently disagreed with a lot of Lucas' decisions regarding the special editions and prequels but the fans are going to crucify him no matter what. He could never please them as evidenced by the Prequels. He knows he's "dammed if he does, damned if he doesn't" so he already anticipates the backlash ala Star Wars. Rabid obsessive fanboy nerds always think they have a better movie shot in their heads and Lucas won't live up to their expectatons so he's just making it for himself, not them. I'm tired of arrogant fanboys thinking they know how to make a better movie than its creator. Go make your own Star Wars or Indiana Jones and then have something to show for it, otherwise take it or leave it. It is what it is and there's nothing anybody can do about it. If Crystal Skull sucks like everybody has already made up their minds that it will, you always have the originals to go back to.


Do you have a source you could point me to on Lucas telling Fisher he ruined Star Wars? I'd love to read that!

decadentdave
01-24-2008, 11:47 AM
Like I said, I'm no Lucas apologist.

I believe it was the interview on Carrie's talk show on the Oxygen network.

Jayspawn
01-24-2008, 12:07 PM
I think Harrison will be just fine -he's Harrison Ford! This will be a last great blockbuster for him.

I dont thin delaying the trailor has anything to do with Harrison. Its probably some Lucas/Spielberg logic that they keep to themselves.

decadentdave
01-24-2008, 12:23 PM
Lucas probably thinking "This movie will sell itself so I don't have to spend any money marketing it." God knows how tight Lucas is about money. As if he doesn't have enough of it.

Jedi_Master_Guyute
01-24-2008, 12:42 PM
Lucas probably thinking "This movie will sell itself so I don't have to spend any money marketing it." God knows how tight Lucas is about money. As if he doesn't have enough of it.

DD, dude, quit making assinine assumptions about things you probably don't know anything about. I don't mind waiting for a trailer, aside from being slightly impatient. Trailers for summer films don't hit till late winter of the previous year or within the first month or two of the next. Not a big deal; quit guessing. You're just looking foolish. thanks. :thumbsup:

decadentdave
01-24-2008, 03:23 PM
Then quit making assinine assumptions about making assinine assumptions. You make yourself look foolish.

JediTricks
01-24-2008, 07:11 PM
Tour Indy's home!

http://www.indianajones.com/site/?deeplink=videos/1/v27

The pic of Willie is just sillyYeah, sore-thumb much? That thing stuck way out before I even read that part of your post.


Spielberg, Lucas, and Ford have all a hand in stinkers. I fear there is some group think going on.Group think, or group stink? :p

Mr. JabbaJohnL
01-24-2008, 08:04 PM
DD, dude, quit making assinine assumptions about things you probably don't know anything about. I don't mind waiting for a trailer, aside from being slightly impatient. Trailers for summer films don't hit till late winter of the previous year or within the first month or two of the next. Not a big deal; quit guessing. You're just looking foolish. thanks. :thumbsup:
JMG, please stay on topic. Thanks! :thumbsup:

Jedi_Master_Guyute
01-24-2008, 08:20 PM
JMG, please stay on topic. Thanks! :thumbsup:

"Get out of here Dewey Cox, you don't want none of this s***!"

touche' JJL. Although, I will say that my discussion with DD is more on topic then you guys discussing Transformers and EU, but still.:thumbsup:

To get back on topic, uh......Indiana Jones. nifty swell guy, eh? I do hope those Young indiana jones sets drop in price sometime soon! :thumbsup:

Mr. JabbaJohnL
01-24-2008, 08:30 PM
"Get out of here Dewey Cox, you don't want none of this s***!"
"I kinda think I want it!"

Now that you mention the sets, I will add that I got the set for Christmas since it was $30 the week before at Target (normally it's $40). I haven't gotten to watch them yet, though (and I've only seen each once, but I liked them).

2-1B
01-24-2008, 08:30 PM
Then quit making assinine assumptions about making assinine assumptions. You make yourself look foolish.

Nice job of editing out your personal attack / name calling of JMG. :thumbsup:

Jedi_Master_Guyute
01-24-2008, 08:37 PM
"I kinda think I want it!"

Now that you mention the sets, I will add that I got the set for Christmas since it was $30 the week before at Target (normally it's $40). I haven't gotten to watch them yet, though (and I've only seen each once, but I liked them).

I'm referring to the Young Indiana Jones sets, the TV show, that are like 70 bucks. You thought when I referred to "Young Indiana Jones" I was talkinga bout Raiders, Temple, and Crusade? Le sigh. Such a shame. :lipsrsealed:

Mr. JabbaJohnL
01-24-2008, 08:49 PM
I'm referring to the Young Indiana Jones sets, the TV show, that are like 70 bucks. You thought when I referred to "Young Indiana Jones" I was talkinga bout Raiders, Temple, and Crusade? Le sigh. Such a shame. :lipsrsealed:
Aye. I cannot read, apparently.

2-1B
01-24-2008, 09:20 PM
Aye. I cannot read, apparently.

Get some Henry Jones, Sr. eyeglasses and you should be able to see better. :thumbsup:

El Chuxter
01-24-2008, 09:51 PM
Then people will have to tell you, "No time for love, Dr Jones!!"

Rocketboy
01-24-2008, 10:37 PM
Get some Henry Jones, Sr. eyeglasses and you should be able to see better. :thumbsup:And then you can say "She talksh in her shleep."

Beast
01-25-2008, 01:09 AM
AICN has a trailer description. Sounds pretty good so far. :)

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/35391

JediTricks
01-25-2008, 01:21 AM
One quick shot shows a box that is labled "Roswell".And then I banged my head on the desk in frustration.

General_Grievous
01-25-2008, 01:26 AM
The only iffy thing is the Roswell box. There had better not be aliens, dammit.

El Chuxter
01-25-2008, 01:38 AM
I believe early pics of a Lego set indicate there are, sadly enough.

2-1B
01-25-2008, 01:38 AM
...and what's the big deal if there ARE aliens in the film? :confused:

I don't get it.

El Chuxter
01-25-2008, 01:45 AM
If they're Gungans, no problem.

decadentdave
01-25-2008, 03:57 AM
Nice job of editing out your personal attack / name calling of JMG. :thumbsup:

I didn't. Some mod deleted it. I was being sarcastic about the whole thing until some idiot decided to make a personal attack against me.

General_Grievous
01-25-2008, 01:05 PM
...and what's the big deal if there ARE aliens in the film? :confused:

I don't get it.

Because that's TOO supernatural for an Indy film. I can deal with face-melting Nazis and a dude's heart bursting into flames, but I'm not too sure if Indiana Jones and aliens mix.

El Chuxter
01-25-2008, 01:10 PM
Magic works in Indy. Not aliens.

Tycho
01-25-2008, 01:23 PM
I just bought that one Young Indy DVD set and I haven't even watched it yet.

I got it since Beast had a link to a good sale price. I mean to watch these and then buy the other 2 if I like them, but I'm still procrastinating.

2-1B
01-25-2008, 01:27 PM
Because that's TOO supernatural for an Indy film. I can deal with face-melting Nazis and a dude's heart bursting into flames, but I'm not too sure if Indiana Jones and aliens mix.


Magic works in Indy. Not aliens.

You are quite a pair of Flornbis :rolleyes: ...aliens are more realistic that that supernatural religious mumbo jumbo, I'll take aliens any day.

Besides, I bet Roswell is a red herring...I predict there won't be aliens in this film.
Even though there should be. :thumbsup:

Droid
01-25-2008, 03:18 PM
I just can't believe how horribly wrong this will have gone if there are aliens in it.

I am reminded of the rumored Jurassic Park IV script where the dinosaurs were going to be used as weapons for the military.

How is it that Lucas and Spielberg could have absolutely no concept of what made Indiana Jones great?

Roswell. Roswell. Roswell.

Maybe he and Shia could fly away into space at the end, like Richard D. in Close Encouters.

Maybe he and Shia can escape from the Russians on a flying bike.

Better yet, maybe they could find Doc Brown's time machine in one of those Roswell crates and go back to stop this film from being made.

What is Spielberg doing, going back to his Close Encounters and E.T. roots?

And why, oh why, oh why do we have to go back to the warehouse in Raiders? Why tamper with the neat ending that somewhere out there the Ark rests in a huge government warehouse that could be full of so many other amazing things?

Maybe at one point Indy could rip open the Ark to save himself from some Russians. :mad:

If at the end of Raiders I now have to think, "Where it sat until they came back in three movies" I am just going to lose it.

Why bring back Marion?

Why not have it be an anthology like Bond that has new characters and new adventures and a new girl in each chapter? Why have another chapter that plays with all the other stories? Why turn Indiana Jones into Connery in Never Say Never Again?

Rocketboy
01-25-2008, 03:53 PM
If they're Gungans, no problem.Wookies.

It could be totally possible Roswell is a sort of red herring.

Droid
01-25-2008, 04:42 PM
It could be totally possible Roswell is a sort of red herring.

But why are there red herrings at all? I don't mind a plot twist within the story. Donovan being a good guy was a red herring. But is the thought, "Hey, let's make the fans worry this is going to suck and that we are going with aliens and scifi rather than mythology, legend, and archeology? Then we won't do that and they'll be so relieved they'll overlook what a piece of garbage the movie is."

2-1B
01-25-2008, 06:06 PM
So then don't overlook what a piece of garbage the movie is - if that turns out to be the case, call 'em on it. :rolleyes:

You'll have a wide open forum to criticize it Droid, might as well wait and see what's doin' before worrying about a 4th movie in a long dormant (and already overrated) movie series. :thumbsup:

Droid
01-25-2008, 08:11 PM
So then don't overlook what a piece of garbage the movie is - if that turns out to be the case, call 'em on it. :rolleyes:

You'll have a wide open forum to criticize it Droid, might as well wait and see what's doin' before worrying about a 4th movie in a long dormant (and already overrated) movie series. :thumbsup:

I understand my criticism will in no way change what they intend to do, but I am going to call them on it before and after.

I don't want to see it if it is going to be the worst entry of what I think is a great series and don't consider overrated.

So many of us saw that Transformers and the prequels were a train wreck before the films were released and unfortunately I have yet to see one thing that would lead me to believe this isn't going to be a disaster.

ROSWELL!

Tycho
01-25-2008, 08:14 PM
Transformers was NOT a train wreck - it resonnated with the genius of Michael Bay!

The Star Wars prequels were awesome in that it added most fascinating intergalactic politics into Star Wars - with CGI politicians just like we have in real life!

How can you criticize these things?

Droid
01-25-2008, 08:15 PM
So then don't overlook what a piece of garbage the movie is - if that turns out to be the case, call 'em on it. :rolleyes:

You'll have a wide open forum to criticize it Droid, might as well wait and see what's doin' before worrying about a 4th movie in a long dormant (and already overrated) movie series. :thumbsup:

The Crystal Skull is a 1926 legend. The Roswell incident was in 1947. I sure hate to think that the mystery Indy gets involved in is from his life time and the very recent past. The Ark and the Grail are from the Bible. The Thugee cult were from the 13th to 19th centuries. This is insane. What if an archeologist dealt with a MODERN DAY situation?! Oooh neat. Why not just send him into the 40th Century: Indiana Jones and the Tomorrow Nexus.

ROSWELL!

Mad Slanted Powers
01-25-2008, 08:34 PM
It could be ancient stuff if the aliens are somehow connected to ancient astronauts.

I found this quote about the skulls from Harvard lecturer Marc Zender in a story on MTV's site (http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1569493/20070911/story.jhtml).


"These things are big crystals, and people started thinking of them as these super computers of past civilizations. If a silicon chip can hold tons of information and data, imagine what a gigantic 11-pound crystal can hold," Zender said. "So maybe this skull has stored all of the lost knowledge of the Mayans or Atlantians, or ET."

So this could be about the lost knowledge of ancient civilizations. Some believe that aliens may have been a source of that knowledge. If it takes place around Roswell, the movie could have a Raiders style ending with the alien evidence being put in the same warehouse with the Ark.

Droid
01-25-2008, 10:16 PM
It could be ancient stuff if the aliens are somehow connected to ancient astronauts.

So this could be about the lost knowledge of ancient civilizations. Some believe that aliens may have been a source of that knowledge. If it takes place around Roswell, the movie could have a Raiders style ending with the alien evidence being put in the same warehouse with the Ark.

Even if they are really old aliens we are talking about aliens. ALIENS. ALIENS.

ROSWELL!

Mad Slanted Powers
01-25-2008, 10:38 PM
Even if they are really old aliens we are talking about aliens. ALIENS. ALIENS.

ROSWELL!
Yes, but for me I get the same sense of awe when thinking about these ancient structures or things like the Nazca lines as I do when seeing the discovery of the Ark or the Holy Grail. Even the experts are unsure how the ancients made these things, or why. There are some who believe we are descended from or genetically engineered by aliens. So, if done right, I think the alien angle could work. Heck, Raiders had ghosts floating around. GHOSTS! Yet this didn't evoke thoughts of Casper or B-movie horror flicks. They fit well with the mythology of the movie.

JediTricks
01-25-2008, 11:47 PM
Indy is adventure, not sci-fi. It seems as simple as that, Indy is old-school adventure with fantasy mythology, other genres don't have a place in that - we don't need an Indiana Jones gangster flick or Indy Western or Indy Horror Movie, Indy is Indy, not something else.

Mad Slanted Powers
01-26-2008, 12:22 AM
Well, I think this can still be old school adventure with fantasy mythology. Zechariah Sitchin's ideas about ancient astronauts have their basis in Sumerian mythology. Just substitute that sort of mythology for the mythologies used in the other three films.

Rocketboy
01-30-2008, 11:53 AM
This should of no surprise to anyone, but awesome anyway: Tater of the Lost Ark (http://starwarsblog.starwars.com/index.php/2008/01/22/an-indy-mashup-taters-of-the-lost-ark/).

(Sorry if its been mentioned already. I rarely look at this thread.)

2-1B
01-30-2008, 06:50 PM
Are they gonna do one shaped like a skull ?

Rocketboy
02-02-2008, 11:41 AM
Mtv has a new photo of Indy in a familiar location.

General_Grievous
02-02-2008, 05:51 PM
I can hear the Ark theme already.

El Chuxter
02-03-2008, 02:26 AM
That's just wrong.

They never made a movie where Rick tracked down Elsa in America. They never made a movie where we learned the other members of the Magnificent Seven weren't really as dead as they'd seemed and they tracked down Chris and Vin to have a few beers. ET didn't come back to Earth in 1990 to sell peanut butter candies. Andy didn't come back from the dead to thank Denzel and to kick his bigoted boss's butt.

And Indiana should never, ever be in the same place as the Ark of the Covenant again.

Period. End of discussion. I'm right, and anything anyone says to try to convince me otherwise is futile. Don't type it out, or you're just wasting time that could be better spent complaining about some minor detail on the new General Gree rehash.

I'll be looking forward to Speed Racer, Harry Potter, Dark Knight, Wall-E, and Iron Man this year. I might catch this on cable. I won't be paying money to see it.

Mad Slanted Powers
02-03-2008, 03:21 AM
And Indiana should never, ever be in the same place as the Ark of the Covenant again.Has it been confirmed that the Ark is actually still there? Did Indy even know where it was to begin with? It could just be coincidence that he is in the same place and has no idea he is even near it.

Slicker
02-03-2008, 04:07 AM
Has it been confirmed that the Ark is actually still there? Did Indy even know where it was to begin with? It could just be coincidence that he is in the same place and has no idea he is even near it.This movie involves George Lucas. As you know with him he likes to go back and include everything possible because he thinks viewers are idiots so I can basically guarantee that Indy knows the Ark is there.

Rocketboy
02-03-2008, 09:57 AM
I'll be looking forward to Speed Racer, Harry Potter, and Iron Man this year.Yeah, because those look so good. :rolleyes:

And nobody said Indy actually finds the Ark - in th epic he is just in a place that appears to be the same location (granted, it probably is the same place though).

El Chuxter
02-03-2008, 11:07 AM
Like Slick said, this IS Lucas. He had to show Vader build C-3PO because he's so into stupid, unbelievable coincidences. He will find the Ark. The Grail will probably somehow be there, too.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
02-03-2008, 01:36 PM
Don't type it out, or you're just wasting time that could be better spent complaining about some minor detail on the new General Gree rehash.
It's Commander Gree; you must be confusing him with General Grievous.

;)

Jedi_Master_Guyute
02-03-2008, 02:08 PM
And nobody said Indy actually finds the Ark - in th epic he is just in a place that appears to be the same location (granted, it probably is the same place though).

SHHHHHHHHH!! Don't point that out, RB!!! You're pointing out logic and people need stuff to ***** and moan about! :thumbsup: :crazed:

Rocketboy
02-03-2008, 02:27 PM
SHHHHHHHHH!! Don't point that out, RB!!! You're pointing out logic and people need stuff to ***** and moan about! :thumbsup: :crazed:My bad yo. I'd hate for people to keep some sort of open mind before seeing any footage from the movie before they decide if they want to see it.

El Chuxter
02-03-2008, 03:36 PM
Is it mere b****ing and moaning to state that all evidence points to a story element that would be the worst idea to hit the film industry since betamax tapes?

I really wanted to like this movie. I have tried to keep an open mind through an inane title, the inclusion of a modern-day myth versus an ancient one, the apparent inappropriate tie-ins with aliens and Roswell, and the casting of Shia LeBouf (despite my dead grandmother's fingernail having more talent), all in spite of the three principal contributors having been on a one-way spiral to rock bottom over the past several years.

Seeing Indiana Jones in the same location the Ark is stored, whether he finds it or not, is the final straw. It's simply too ridiculous. Only Indy finding out he's really Short Round's son would approach this level of stupidity. I'm now treating this like I did Transformers: it looks as if I won't like it, despite wanting to, so I'm not spending the money to see it in theaters. $15 is too much for a movie I doubt I'll enjoy.

And I am truly saddened to say that.

2-1B
02-03-2008, 04:37 PM
Did you guys see this yet? Not sure if it was posted in this thread, it's an old link so I don't know...anyway, interesting. :thumbsup:

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Frank-Darabont-Wants-Credit-For-Indy-4-6927.html

Mad Slanted Powers
02-03-2008, 05:17 PM
I guess I just don't see the problem with a lot of things you mention Chux. I'll have to wait and see how it is executed.

Droid
02-04-2008, 02:41 PM
I guess I just don't see the problem with a lot of things you mention Chux. I'll have to wait and see how it is executed.

I couldn't agree with El Chuxter more.

The ending of Raiders is supposed to give you chills. The Ark being swallowed up again, to once more be lost through history. This time in a warehouse with an unknown location, lost in a bureaucracy in a Citizen Kane like warehouse. And you are supposed to wonder, "And what is in all those other boxes?"

It is such a wonderful ending. That was not supposed to be "to be continued" until we come back here again for what is likely to be hilarious hijinx with Indiana Jones and his son.

Mad Slanted Powers
02-04-2008, 08:52 PM
It is such a wonderful ending. That was not supposed to be "to be continued" until we come back here again for what is likely to be hilarious hijinx with Indiana Jones and his son.I don't necessarily see it as continued. Just a coincidence that they happen to be there. As I said before, at the end of Raiders, Indy doesn't know what they did with the Ark. All he knows is that "top men" are working on it.

Rocketboy
02-04-2008, 11:34 PM
Well, since this could be a huge SPOILER (http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/02/04/indiana-jones-the-crystal-skull-revealed/#more-7709), I'll just link it instead of attaching it.

Can we rename this thread "Indiana Jones 4: Let's P*ss Off Chux"?

RooJay
02-05-2008, 03:38 AM
Cool! Now my only hope is that this movie somehow ties into J.J. Abrams Star Trek. I'd love to be laughing my butt off seeing all the uptight fans who just can't keep an open mind and wait to see how this all turns out and actually judge the movie based on it's merits rather than their own self-centered perceptions of what it ought and ought not to be turn blue in the face!:thumbsup:

Devil King
02-05-2008, 05:44 AM
the apparent inappropriate tie-ins with aliens

WHAT!? I knew I should have stayed out of this thread.

Slicker
02-05-2008, 06:40 AM
WHAT!? I knew I should have stayed out of this thread.
Well, the whole story about the "real" crystal skulls has to do with "aliens". Apparently they seem out of this world and people say that they couldn't have been constructed with the tools of the day because they're so perfect.

Just do a search on the web and you'll find a write up.

Devil King
02-05-2008, 06:55 AM
Well, the whole story about the "real" crystal skulls has to do with "aliens". Apparently they seem out of this world and people say that they couldn't have been constructed with the tools of the day because they're so perfect.

Just do a search on the web and you'll find a write up.

I'm quite familiar, thank you. But those are just some of the theories surrounding them. And I certainly don't think Roswell should figure into anything in this movie.

Rocketboy
02-05-2008, 10:01 AM
Here is another look at the SPOILER (http://www.obsessedwithfilm.com/movie-news/crystal-skull-image-leaked.php#more-8346) image in my previous link.

Mad Slanted Powers
02-05-2008, 10:06 AM
Well, since this could be a huge SPOILER (http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/02/04/indiana-jones-the-crystal-skull-revealed/#more-7709), I'll just link it instead of attaching it.

Can we rename this thread "Indiana Jones 4: Let's P*ss Off Chux"?

That link mentions that aliens were part of Darabont's storyline, yet many have complained about his script being rejected.

El Chuxter
02-05-2008, 10:52 AM
If news before Revenge of the Sith said that Anakin's fall would be because he was tempted to eat an apple by Satan (or, better, that Padme was tempted and then gave Anakin the apple), wouldn't that bother anyone? And wouldn't the sudden, unprecedented mixing of Biblical stories and alien technology be exactly the same as involving Roswell aliens in Indiana Jones?

I'm just glad to know that, in the age of the internet, one can see far more information about a film prior to its release than was available in the past, but if one judges this information to be indicative of a film he or she doesn't feel will be worth paying to see, then he or she is a "fanboy" and is just b****ing and moaning. Maybe I should complain about the lack of a utility belt on the new Kashyyyk Clonetrooper, since that kind of complaining seems to have more merit, for some reason.

When it's on cable, I'll be sure to let you know whether my feelings were justified. Following the disappointment of ROTS and what looks to be a one-two punch of a mediocre Indy movie and a mediocre Clone Wars remake, I don't feel like feeding Lucas' inflated head any more than I already have. I'll always believe he was once the greatest storyteller of our time, but I've lost pretty much all my faith in him. (If you're interested, I can nail it down to the "What, you can't save my wife? Let's kill those kids anyway!" scene of ROTS.)

I wasn't aware Darabonte included aliens in his draft, by the way. I assumed the man who brought such wonderful adaptations of The Green Mile and Shawshank Redemption would have more sense than that. Still, whether the idea sucks or not, he deserves credit and recompense for his work, especially if they're using elements of it.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
02-05-2008, 06:03 PM
the sudden, unprecedented mixing of Biblical stories
You mean like someone sacrificing himself for the good of all mankind? Or perhaps a virgin birth?

Naw, that could never work in Star Wars.

El Chuxter
02-05-2008, 06:12 PM
Biblical themes and Biblical stories are different, smartarse. ;)

Devil King
02-05-2008, 06:33 PM
If news before Revenge of the Sith said that Anakin's fall would be because he was tempted to eat an apple by Satan (or, better, that Padme was tempted and then gave Anakin the apple), wouldn't that bother anyone?

I seem to recall a number of statements made by Lucas that drew such parallels. That didn't bother me as much as what actually happened though. Padme ended up being the apple, in a way.

But, with Star Wars, I really wanted it to be handled well. It simply wasn't.

It's funny, I went to see TPM like 10 times in the theater; AOTC at least half a dozen; and ROTS maybe 3 or 4.

I went to see Batman&Robin and actually got up and walked out before it was over. Normally, I don't burn myself on the stove and keep touching the red-hot eye. But I forced myself to go and see these movies over and over again, hoping I had just missed something. I had not.

Mad Slanted Powers
02-05-2008, 07:17 PM
I've never walked out of a movie. I'd be even less inclined to walk out of one now. I paid money for it, I'm going to stay until the credits are done rolling.

Devil King
02-05-2008, 08:27 PM
I've never walked out of a movie. I'd be even less inclined to walk out of one now. I paid money for it, I'm going to stay until the credits are done rolling.

You have a much stronger stomach than I do. My hat is off to you.

Mad Slanted Powers
02-05-2008, 08:31 PM
Well, I don't see too many movies in the theater, so I only go to ones I'm interested in.

Beast
02-05-2008, 08:41 PM
I don't care what anyone says, I like what I'm hearing about the movie so far.

I'm glad they went with this storyline instead of the rumored Atlantis storyline.

Rocketboy
02-05-2008, 08:46 PM
In a saga that has ghostly things that melt faces, magic burning rocks, smokin' hot blonde Nazi chicks, and ghosts that guard the holy grail - this whole possibility of aliens is just way too out there.
:D

2-1B
02-05-2008, 08:59 PM
Atlantis would be cool too, I hope they do that in Indy 5. :thumbsup:

Beast
02-05-2008, 08:59 PM
In a saga that has ghostly things that melt faces, magic burning rocks, smokin' hot blonde Nazi chicks, and ghosts that guard the holy grail - this whole possibility of aliens is just way too out there.
:D
I don't think he was a ghost. He just drank from the grail in order to stay alive long and protect the grail. You'd think he'd take a few extra sips along the way though, in order to maintain his youth a bit better. Unless it doesn't work that way. ;)

Rocketboy
02-05-2008, 09:01 PM
I don't think he was a ghost. He just drank from the grail in order to stay alive long and protect the grail. You'd think he'd take a few extra sips along the way though, in order to maintain his youth a bit better. Unless it doesn't work that way. ;)Whatever - he was an undead freak/zombie. :D

Jedi_Master_Guyute
02-05-2008, 09:04 PM
I don't care what anyone says, I like what I'm hearing about the movie so far.

I'm glad they went with this storyline instead of the rumored Atlantis storyline.

Definitely agree with you, Mr. Beast. I think this sounds really cool and exciting. But I guess I enjoy these films for what they are instead of demanding a script that is exactly like the first three films. Let's face it: these movies aren't exactly oscar worthy folks. They're filled with action, fun, Indy getting out of jams and so forth. You want the original films, stay the hell out of the theater and make your own movie with action figures.


In a saga that has ghostly things that melt faces, magic burning rocks, smokin' hot blonde Nazi chicks, and ghosts that guard the holy grail - this whole possibility of aliens is just way too out there.
:D

lol Now now, I'm sure there were a FEW hot nazi chicks, RB! Nothing is more erotic and sensual than book burning! :crazed:

Devil King
02-05-2008, 11:17 PM
In a saga that has ghostly things that melt faces, magic burning rocks, smokin' hot blonde Nazi chicks, and ghosts that guard the holy grail - this whole possibility of aliens is just way too out there.
:D

While I agree that there is a fine line, I still think the line exists.

The fact that supernatural powers are involved in the Indy mythology isn't in question; internal human mysteries are a much different matter than are extra terrestrial involvment.

it's like the difference between science fiction and fiction .

Rocketboy
02-05-2008, 11:37 PM
it's like the difference between science fiction and fiction .The word "science"? ;)

Mad Slanted Powers
02-05-2008, 11:50 PM
There is science involved in archaeology.

Droid
02-06-2008, 10:37 AM
Definitely agree with you, Mr. Beast. I think this sounds really cool and exciting. But I guess I enjoy these films for what they are instead of demanding a script that is exactly like the first three films. Let's face it: these movies aren't exactly oscar worthy folks. They're filled with action, fun, Indy getting out of jams and so forth. You want the original films, stay the hell out of the theater and make your own movie with action figures.

Anyone else tired of being told:

1. Just enjoy the film for what it is (even if it is terrible).
2. Some movies aren't meant to be great anyway (last I checked the AFI
said Raiders of the Lost Ark and Star Wars were among the best American
films EVER made.)
3. And if you don't like it stay home. (Of course when I say I might just stay
home people tell me I'm not giving it a chance and ask how I can judge
something I haven't seen.)
4. Or that if I think I can do better i should make my own movie (as though
only people who make films can criticize someone else's. I don't have to
know how to play the piano to know if someone has hit a wrong note.)

Jedi_Master_Guyute
02-06-2008, 10:44 AM
I never said they weren't meant to be great, i'm saying that people are *****ing and moaning about a storyline that involves an alien skull in a series of films that includes the Holy Grail, the lost ark, and mystical stones. That, to me, is assinine.

And also, people all over these boards are judging and complaining about a film they've NEVER SEEN. That is ridiculous because if they hate the film MONTHS before its release, they're probably going to hate it the film when they see it and it's hard to read or except somebody's opinion who was bias from the start.

Droid
02-06-2008, 12:26 PM
I never said they weren't meant to be great, i'm saying that people are *****ing and moaning about a storyline that involves an alien skull in a series of films that includes the Holy Grail, the lost ark, and mystical stones. That, to me, is assinine.

And also, people all over these boards are judging and complaining about a film they've NEVER SEEN. That is ridiculous because if they hate the film MONTHS before its release, they're probably going to hate it the film when they see it and it's hard to read or except somebody's opinion who was bias from the start.

You said that these films weren't Oscar worthy. Well Raiders of the Lost Ark was nominated for Best Picture so I would debate that these movies aren't meant to be on an extremely high level of quality and artistic value. Storyline decisions are a big part of that.

There aren't aliens in the Bible. This isn't based on a historical myth. It is a different genre and I don't like it.
There are old legends of sea serpents or dinosaurs surviving in Africa, but I sure wouldn't want to see Indy going after a dinosaur.

I can complain about films I have never seen. I didn't like the way the Transformers looked and I complained. If you know what IS going to be in a movie you can complain about that without having seen it.

And once again, I don't have a bias from the start. I hope this is fantastic, but the choices that are being made are making that very, very hard. Once I know Darth Vader will tap dance in a Star Wars film, it makes it nearly impossible for me to like that film even if the dancing is done really well.

I do think a new Indiana Jones movie is a mistake; too much time has passed. But I would have loved for them to make a fantastic Indiana Jones movie. I see no sign that is what they are doing and find it is hard to believe it will be good when Lucas is telling us already it will be hated but that is the fans' fault not the movie.

El Chuxter
02-06-2008, 12:41 PM
I'd just like to echo everything Droid just said. And add that it concerns me that more people aren't at least a little wary of this following the debacle that was Revenge of the Sith.

"You can't save my wife? Really? Uh, do I still get to kill those kids?"

Droid
02-06-2008, 02:32 PM
Raiders of the Lost Ark was nominated for eight Academy Awards, including Best Picture, in 1982 and won four (Best Sound, Best Film Editing, Best Visual Effects, Best Art Direction-Set Decoration). It also won a Special Achievement Award for Sound Effects Editing, bringing the total Oscars to five.

Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom won an Academy Award for Visual Effects.

Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade was nominated for Original Score and Sound and won for Best Sound Effects Editing.

decadentdave
02-06-2008, 03:03 PM
That's more than Crystal Skull will win.

Should have gone with Jeffrey Boam's Excalibur script.

preacher
02-06-2008, 05:43 PM
Gotta agree with those "against" in this case. Lucas himself has stated that Jones is an archeologist searching for relics of the occult. Nazi's and Hitler were an excellent setting for bringing this plot element into fruition. The antagonist in Doom was the Thuggie not the Nazi's, but that is forgiveable because the Thuggie's pursued an occult oddity in the Shankara Stones.

Alien technology is a huge stretch to say is occult. It kind of worked with X-files, but if I wanted an X-file movie I'd watch X-files. I'm all for making a different Indiana Jones movie that doesn't repeat the same sorts of things in the other three movies, but almost seems like some kind of scientology premise. Recent news hints that maybe the Ark shows up again. What will really be disappointing is if its revealed that the Ark is an alien weapon too. The whole alien notion makes the other artifacts seem so insignificant.

Die Hard 4 I felt pulled off re-energizing that franchise. I'm just not very excited seeing Indiana Jones 60+ years old. I just watched Firewall and just shook my head. I hope I'm wrong.

decadentdave
02-06-2008, 06:30 PM
Die Hard 4 I felt pulled off re-energizing that franchise. I'm just not very excited seeing Indiana Jones 60+ years old. I just watched Firewall and just shook my head. I hope I'm wrong.


Are you kidding me? Live Free or Die Hard was a disgrace to the name McClane. Had nothing to do with Die Hard. 16 Blocks is my Live Free or Die Hard, not that piece of rubbish.

As for relics, look at all of the Mayan artifacts that were used in worshipping their gods that "allegedly" came from other worlds. A relic is a relic. It is an artifact of an ancient civilization. Bury a watch in the sand for a thousand years and it becomes priceless, like the Ark. Men will kill for it. Men like you and me.

Devil King
02-06-2008, 08:41 PM
I'm just not very excited seeing Indiana Jones 60+ years old. I just watched Firewall and just shook my head. I hope I'm wrong.

You mean to tell me you find it a stretch to believe that a man over 60 can't have a 30 year old wife and a six year old son, on top of fighting bad guys hand to hand??? ;)

preacher
02-06-2008, 08:59 PM
My point isn't that an artifact is an artifact. There wasn't much to the first artifact of Indy's attention - that medallion he discovered during that scouts expedition in Crusade (prologue to crusade). My point is I hope that this alien theme doesn't negate what had been established in the previous three. All of Indy's journeys have been leaps of faith and at his heart once he gets past the fortune and glory he is a virtuous, reverant adventurer.

Its an intriguing idea to have someone such as that have their world rocked by knowledge that everything they believed had a much grander reasoning. There are no gods, just other more sophisticated beings than us. Not saying it isn't a good story, just not for Indy. Its too different. At least with Die Hard 4, even if you didn't like the movie, his character remained consistent. In McClanes own words, he does those things because he is the only one that can, not because he wants to. But we'll see I guess in a few more months.

JediTricks
02-07-2008, 09:40 PM
Anyone else tired of being told:

1. Just enjoy the film for what it is (even if it is terrible).
2. Some movies aren't meant to be great anyway (last I checked the AFI
said Raiders of the Lost Ark and Star Wars were among the best American
films EVER made.)
3. And if you don't like it stay home. (Of course when I say I might just stay
home people tell me I'm not giving it a chance and ask how I can judge
something I haven't seen.)
4. Or that if I think I can do better i should make my own movie (as though
only people who make films can criticize someone else's. I don't have to
know how to play the piano to know if someone has hit a wrong note.)Yes, si, ya, and definitely.


Here's my problem with the alien thing beyond the "mythology, not sci-fi" statement I made earlier, Indiana Jones is an archaeologist, he uses clues from the past to rediscover relics of that past, but there is nothing of substance in man's past that has jack diddly squat to do with aliens beyond the "fictional" aspect, it's a poor fit.

decadentdave
02-07-2008, 09:55 PM
Its an intriguing idea to have someone such as that have their world rocked by knowledge that everything they believed had a much grander reasoning. There are no gods, just other more sophisticated beings than us.

That was certainly the idea behind 2001: A Space Odyssey. They had excavated an ancient artifact in the form of the monolith buried under the lunar surface of the Tycho crater which was definitive and undeniable proof that it was deliberately buried by extraterrestrial beings with a greater intelligence than our own. The Crystal Skulls imply a similar message which would challenge the fundamental anthropological, theological and epistomological sciences beyond their archeological origins.

Mad Slanted Powers
02-07-2008, 10:15 PM
there is nothing of substance in man's past that has jack diddly squat to do with aliens beyond the "fictional" aspect, it's a poor fit.Many claim that religion is just something the simple minded ancients came up with to explain things they didn't understand. However, these same people accomplished great things that seem impossible without our modern knowledge and technology. Perhaps they got this knowlege from aliens. Maybe these aliens were the gods they worshipped.


That was certainly the idea behind 2001: A Space Odyssey. They had excavated an ancient artifact in the form of the monolith buried under the lunar surface of the Tycho crater which was definitive and undeniable proof that it was deliberately buried by extraterrestrial beings with a greater intelligence than our own. The Crystal Skulls imply a similar message which would challenge the fundamental anthropological, theological and epistomological sciences beyond their archeological origins.Exactly.

jonthejedi
02-13-2008, 04:59 AM
Indy IV Teaser Trailer will debut Thurs., Feb 14 on ABC's Good Morning America between 8-9am.

Jedi_Master_Guyute
02-13-2008, 11:29 AM
Indy IV Teaser Trailer will debut Thurs., Feb 14 on ABC's Good Morning America between 8-9am.

And then it hits indianajones.com and yahoo movies. I'm settin' my DVR!! Really excited! :thumbsup:

Jedi_Master_Guyute
02-14-2008, 09:01 AM
http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/indianajones.html?showVideo=1

Lookin' FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANTASTIC from the trailer. Even more excited now! :thumbsup:

El Chuxter
02-14-2008, 10:36 AM
The first ten seconds or so, I'll have to admit, look awesome. :D

The actual trailer doesn't show a whole lot, though.

The warehouse looks like it might not be the same warehouse after all. If it is, it looks smaller. I still have a lousy taste in my mouth with the idea of Roswell aliens.

And, judging from the trailer, it's going to be two hours of "I'm too old for this" jokes.

I think it looks a lot better than I was giving it credit for. Sadly, not quite to the point where I'm willing to pay to see it.

If the rest of you want to see this and Clone Wars, by all means do so. I think I'm using my Summer '08 movies trips to see Wall-E and The Dark Knight instead.

Rocketboy
02-14-2008, 11:48 AM
And, judging from the trailer, it's going to be two hours of "I'm too old for this" jokes.Yeah, because the trailer was loaded with them... :rolleyes:

I thought it looked really good. I was looking forward to it before, but now I'm really looking forward to it!

El Chuxter
02-14-2008, 12:04 PM
I counted two "I'm too old for this" gags that fell flat. For the length of the trailer, that was one too many.

Also, I noticed Ford walking like an arthritic grandmother a few times.

Jayspawn
02-14-2008, 12:04 PM
Awesome trailer! I loved the Indy one-liners. The "too old for this jokes" are something that Indy would say. Cant wait to see the next trailer!

This really got me going!

Rocketboy
02-14-2008, 12:16 PM
I counted two "I'm too old for this" gags that fell flat. For the length of the trailer, that was one too many.I counted one slight reference: "Not as easy as it used to be."
Where was the other?

El Chuxter
02-14-2008, 12:29 PM
The whole "Damn, I thought I was closer!" reeked of "I'm too old for this" to me. I guess that one's open to interpretation.

decadentdave
02-14-2008, 12:34 PM
The self-deprecating old age jokes will kill it for me. That swinging stunt in the warehouse looked so fake too. No way Harrison did that stunt himself. This reeks of CG.

Rocketboy
02-14-2008, 12:46 PM
The whole "Damn, I thought I was closer!" reeked of "I'm too old for this" to me. I guess that one's open to interpretation.I really don't see where you'd get an old joke from that...looked like classic Indy bad luck to me (like the boulder in Raiders or stepping on the wrong letter in Crusade).

Jedi_Master_Guyute
02-14-2008, 12:48 PM
The whole "Damn, I thought I was closer!" reeked of "I'm too old for this" to me. I guess that one's open to interpretation.

I just figured that meant, "Damn, I thought that was closer." If he had added, "damn, I thought that was closer, but since i'm older now, I guess I can't see as well!" you might agree with you.


The self-deprecating old age jokes will kill it for me. That swinging stunt in the warehouse looked so fake too. No way Harrison did that stunt himself. This reeks of CG.

CG? It looked pretty stuntman oriented to me. And plus Spielberg and Lucas said as little CGI as possible is going to be used. Plus, it didn't look CGesque, at all. :whip:

decadentdave
02-14-2008, 12:52 PM
Obviously Indy, in his old age, misjudged the distance.

I can't believe you guys buy that warehouse swing. It's almost as bad as Temple of Doom when Indy swings, and swings, and swings to reach the mine car. Notice how Indy ALWAYS has enough of his bullwhip to swing over ridiculously long distances. His bullwhip can extend itself to 200 yards if needed.

Rocketboy
02-14-2008, 12:58 PM
I can't believe you guys buy that warehouse swing. It's almost as bad as Temple of Doom when Indy swings, and swings, and swings to reach the mine car. Notice how Indy ALWAYS has enough of his bullwhip to swing over ridiculously long distances. His bullwhip can extend itself to 200 yards if needed.That is the part TOD you find unbelievable?

El Chuxter
02-14-2008, 01:00 PM
It always bugged me that they went to Club Obi-Wan in the beginning. That is so stupid! How did some guy get a club named after him in a galaxy far, far away? There's never been any contact between our societies. That's just moronic!

And that stupid kid. Why would a Vietnamese actor play a Chinese kid? Bunch of racist garbage.

And they used alligators instead of crocodiles! There are no alligators in India. Morons.

(I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Like I said before, TOD doesn't exactly fit with the other two, but it still rocks in every way.)

decadentdave
02-14-2008, 01:01 PM
That is the part TOD you find unbelievable?

Other than falling out of a plane on a rubber raft? Yeah.

Tycho
02-14-2008, 01:33 PM
I really liked the trailer. It got me into the spirit of this thing again!

Bring on the movie!

jonthejedi
02-14-2008, 02:12 PM
Gee, I remember Temple of Doom. I thought Indy slid down some other rope or cable with his whip looped...not as one continuous, far-fetched whip pendulum swing. I'll reserve any critique till May 23. Even Raiders had some of those "it's not the years, it's the mileage" moments. That's what makes Indy Indy.

decadentdave
02-14-2008, 02:31 PM
In Raiders, it was the mileage, not the years. Now it really IS the years, not the mileage.

Droid
02-14-2008, 02:51 PM
I have been more critical of this project than almost anyone in this thread.

I will say it was a good trailer and got me excited about how much I like Indiana Jones.

I think the joke about misjudging the distance and then hitting the guys and the part time teacher jokes were very good.

I don't want the movie to be jokey, but humor has always been a very important part of all three Indy movies. There are several jokes alone in the attempt to cover the idol in the opening of Raiders.

I think it is meant to be the same warehouse.

The only troubling things in the trailer to me was going to that warehouse and the box reading Roswell.

Also, I hope it isn't TOO focused in the United States.

Once scripts and huge spoilers start leaking I may start a separate thread. I hope to hear what people think of the movie once they see it so that I can judge whether or not to go see it without getting a scene by scene description of the movie.

I am more encouraged about this project today that I have ever been, but I would be worried if they couldn't at least piece together a two minute string of good clips.

General_Grievous
02-14-2008, 05:45 PM
I think it looks promising. I'm getting a "Live Free or Die Hard" sort of feel from it, but that's not a bad thing at all. I think it'll be fun to see Indy again on the big screen. And hearing the theme music again gave me goosebumps. And is anyone else really looking forward to seeing Cate Blanchett as the villain in this? At any rate, she's bound to be better than boring old Donovan from "The Last Crusade". But considering that a third of the trailer consisted of shots from the first three movies, I really think we should have got this teaser back in November. Better late than never, I suppose.

JediTricks
02-14-2008, 05:51 PM
The self-deprecating old age jokes will kill it for me. That swinging stunt in the warehouse looked so fake too. No way Harrison did that stunt himself. This reeks of CG.Totally agree, looked like Pitfall on crack.

Droid
02-14-2008, 08:40 PM
Well, I was excited for five minutes. Then I went over to imdb.com to see if John Williams was doing the music. I'm not sure if this is a spoiler free thread or not, but check out who John Hurt is playing. It ruined this for me... again. I'd say there's a 65% chance I'll never see this movie.

General_Grievous
02-14-2008, 08:55 PM
Well, I was excited for five minutes. Then I went over to imdb.com to see if John Williams was doing the music. I'm not sure if this is a spoiler free thread or not, but check out who John Hurt is playing. It ruined this for me... again. I'd say there's a 65% chance I'll never see this movie.
Why does that bother you so much? I think his character is only seen in flashbacks.

Rocketboy
02-14-2008, 11:18 PM
In vase anyone is interested, here is the Harrison Ford bits of Indiana Jones and The Mystery of the Blues (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x35lzt_indiana-jones-mystery-of-the-blues_shortfilms) from The Young Indiana Jones series.


Ford appeared as a middle-aged Indy (age 50) in The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles in an episode titled The Mystery of the Blues, which aired in March 1993. In Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, 64-year old Harrison Ford plays a 58-year-old Indiana Jones.

George Lucas called upon Ford to film a cameo as Indiana for the series’ second season opener. They had already shot a sequence with a very old Indiana Jones and his grandson Spikes, but decided to reshoot the scene with Ford as a younger Indy. ford, who was busy shooting The Fugative at the time (which explains the beard), agreed to film the scene near his home in Jackson Hole, Wyoming. They prepped for a week, an filmed the four minute segment over the course of a day.

Droid
02-15-2008, 09:05 PM
Why does that bother you so much? I think his character is only seen in flashbacks.

Is there a source that you can point me to confirming it is just flashbacks? If so, it doesn't bother me at all, not even a bit (though Harrison or Karen Allen playing their younger selves in the movie might be a stretch). I would hate the character to be shown in contradiction of what we were told in the previous films.

decadentdave
02-15-2008, 10:50 PM
In contradiction to what? Yes, I know who you are referring to and from what I have heard, there are no flashbacks. If you think that's a stretch, that's Hollywood for you. It can't get any worse than bringing in the Ark, Area 51, and Indy and Marion having a kid named Mutt. What's throwing in one more wildcard into the mix at this point going to do? This whole story seems like a pretty big stretch to me. If the film is doomed, the damage has already been done at this point.

I just want to know, where's Sallah?

General_Grievous
02-16-2008, 12:02 AM
Is there a source that you can point me to confirming it is just flashbacks? If so, it doesn't bother me at all, not even a bit (though Harrison or Karen Allen playing their younger selves in the movie might be a stretch). I would hate the character to be shown in contradiction of what we were told in the previous films.
I should have been more clear. By "I think", I meant "I'm guessing".

JediTricks
02-16-2008, 05:36 PM
In vase anyone is interested, here is the Harrison Ford bits of Indiana Jones and The Mystery of the Blues (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x35lzt_indiana-jones-mystery-of-the-blues_shortfilms) from The Young Indiana Jones series.
Oh man, seeing that reminds me that the new Star Wars live action show is going to be a galaxy of suck.

RooJay
02-16-2008, 09:14 PM
In contradiction to what? Yes, I know who you are referring to and from what I have heard, there are no flashbacks. If you think that's a stretch, that's Hollywood for you. It can't get any worse than bringing in the Ark, Area 51, and Indy and Marion having a kid named Mutt. What's throwing in one more wildcard into the mix at this point going to do? This whole story seems like a pretty big stretch to me. If the film is doomed, the damage has already been done at this point.

I just want to know, where's Sallah?

Yeah! Everyone knows that it would have been impossible for Indy and Marion to have had a kid - everyone knows that Indy is sterile and that Marion was always insisting on waiting for marriage! Plus, no way they could've named their kid Mutt - that combination of letters doesn't exist in Indy's universe, same as Area 51 (we all know there's just a big hole in the Earth on that spot in Indy's world!) Also, I for one am incensed at all this crap I'm hearing about the Ark of the covenant definitely being in this movie! George Lucas is raping my childhood! Raping, I tell you!!! Abner Ravenwood being not dead in this movie is just the straw that broke the camels back! I mean...if George Lucas is going around saying that he's definitely alive at the time of this movie's story and flat-out confirming that he is personally going to contradict everything that's hapened in the past movies, well then...I've absolutely had it!:upset::upset::upset::upset:


...gimme a break! It's getting really disheartening that those of us who don't hate absolutely everything and want to come on SSG like we used to in the old days and talk about the stuff we enjoy or are at least hoping to enjoy without having to read through post after post of people crapping all over stuff they haven't yet experienced. I mean, no offense (and please dave, don't feel like I'm singling you out)...but do you guys really just enjoy typing over and over about how much you hate everything that's coming out, or don't you all think it would be easier to just list the few things in life you do somewhat enjoy and save yourselves the trouble? I'm not trying to get in any kind of flame war here, and I'm certainly not implying that everyone should just roll over and become mindless sheep without their own opinions. It's just that we know you guys don't like what's going here. It's time to acknowledge and move on. It's great that you all have opinions and yes, it would get really boring if we all liked the same things. Most of us don't spend any time at all posting about the stuff we don't like. In fact, there's lots of stuff I don't like and you will generally never even find me reading posts about that stuff. I don't like it, I don't talk about it. No one ever has to read about how much I hate it and the folks who do enjoy it can enjoy having their discussion about it.

Bottom line is that regardless of the sentiments of a handful of folks subscribing to this thread, we all know that this movie is going to be one of the highest grossing films of the year just like each of the Star Wars prequels when they were released. The movie is far from doomed.

JediTricks
02-16-2008, 09:22 PM
Bottom line is that regardless of the sentiments of a handful of folks subscribing to this thread, we all know that this movie is going to be one of the highest grossing films of the year just like each of the Star Wars prequels when they were released. The movie is far from doomed.Is that supposed to be encouraging for Indy 4? The prequels were utter dreck and have largely been forgotten or laughed at by the general population who poured money into those Lucasfilm coffers. The box office take had no bearing on how good the films were (though I will point out that the ticket sales for the prequels were lower than the OT and diminished with each film's release). Lucas could apparently put a manatee in a leather coat & hat, give it a whip, and make $300 million. The true test of quality won't be its box office, I can assure you that.

decadentdave
02-16-2008, 09:42 PM
Well I for one NEVER thought Indy and Marion would have a kid. I always thought their tumultuous relationship would be on-again-off-again. It just doesn't seem in keeping with the characters that they would have kid. So I guess when I watch Raiders now we can assume that after Marion buys Indy a drink (you know... a drink?) that Indy knocked her up and left her high and dry again, the deadbeat dad that he is and she decided to have the kid and remarried some guy whose surname is Williams and she was so ****ed off at Indy for being a deadbeat that she gave Mutt his step-dad's last name and named the kid "Mutt" as a joke on Indy's name being the dog to spite him.

RooJay
02-17-2008, 04:16 AM
Is that supposed to be encouraging for Indy 4? The prequels were utter dreck and have largely been forgotten or laughed at by the general population who poured money into those Lucasfilm coffers. The box office take had no bearing on how good the films were (though I will point out that the ticket sales for the prequels were lower than the OT and diminished with each film's release). Lucas could apparently put a manatee in a leather coat & hat, give it a whip, and make $300 million. The true test of quality won't be its box office, I can assure you that.

Nope, just the truth, and while you're right in that it still won't make Crystal Skull good no matter how the finished product turns out it would seem to indicate the opposite that folks won't enjoy it at least on the most basic level - as pure popcorn fun. I'd also argue that the general population has far from forgotten or done any wholesale 'laughing off' of the prequels. Quite the opposite in fact, as it seems as though the prequels actually (for better or worse) breathed new life and brought in a whole new generation of fans into the Star Wars brand allowing the juggernaut to reach all new heights. A small group of fans nitpicking at what they personally feel is and isn't Indy won't ever be the test of quality either. Of that, I can assure you.

To Dave, I'd like to mention severe reservation on my part that the kid in the movie actually turns out to have been named 'Mutt' by his mother; I can almost assure you that this is his nickname.

Jedi_Master_Guyute
02-17-2008, 09:53 AM
...gimme a break! It's getting really disheartening that those of us who don't hate absolutely everything and want to come on SSG like we used to in the old days and talk about the stuff we enjoy or are at least hoping to enjoy without having to read through post after post of people crapping all over stuff they haven't yet experienced. I mean, no offense (and please dave, don't feel like I'm singling you out)...but do you guys really just enjoy typing over and over about how much you hate everything that's coming out, or don't you all think it would be easier to just list the few things in life you do somewhat enjoy and save yourselves the trouble? I'm not trying to get in any kind of flame war here, and I'm certainly not implying that everyone should just roll over and become mindless sheep without their own opinions. It's just that we know you guys don't like what's going here. It's time to acknowledge and move on. It's great that you all have opinions and yes, it would get really boring if we all liked the same things. Most of us don't spend any time at all posting about the stuff we don't like. In fact, there's lots of stuff I don't like and you will generally never even find me reading posts about that stuff. I don't like it, I don't talk about it. No one ever has to read about how much I hate it and the folks who do enjoy it can enjoy having their discussion about it.

Bottom line is that regardless of the sentiments of a handful of folks subscribing to this thread, we all know that this movie is going to be one of the highest grossing films of the year just like each of the Star Wars prequels when they were released. The movie is far from doomed.

EXCELLENT POINT ROOJAY. Thank Christ somebody else feels that way. It's one reason why I barely post anything here at SSG cos you're going to have these older fanboys who do NOTHING but ***** and moan about how things are going to suck and how this is crap and this is good and how what they envisioned is better, bla hblah blah blahblah. I used to not mind trying to defend and explain my opinion, but now it's just a waste of time for me. I don't know if this is a sentiment from the older fans who just hate everything new and won't give it a chance, but some folks just like to nitpick and find things to complain about. Frankly, i don't get how people can hate something so much (something we haven't seen yet for that matter) and still just keep coming to to reiterate their point and just keep adding their negativity to the conversation. We get it, you won't like the film, move along.

And DD, you realize that things happen inbetween films, right?? so, Indy having a kid with somebody isn't exactly impossible. Like between episodes 2 and 3, there was this thing called the Clone Wars............:thumbsup:

decadentdave
02-17-2008, 10:30 AM
Hey, at least I'm not the one on this board always incessantly bashing the Prequels. :thumbsup:

Stuff happened between the Prequels and the OT and is it stuff we really needed to know about? Nope. Some things are better left to the imagination than having all the blanks filled in. Lucas always feels the need to explain every little detail. "Here's what happened... Indy knocked up Marion and they had a kid named Mutt."

And yes, even the Hasblo figure says his name is "Mutt" just like "Indy" is the nickname of Henry Jones Jr.

So you guys want to talk about fanboys *****ing and moaning on this board and inciting negativity, go read all of the threads on this board like the ones that say "Prequels Corrupting the Original Trilogy" and you'll see what I'm talking about. All I'm saying is that what I have seen and know about Crystal Skull has already disappointed me. Will it still be an entertaining movie? Sure. Will I like it? Perhaps. I've already pretty much guessed it will be dead last though of the Indy films. I just can't buy that Indy and Marion had a kid and I can't stand Shia. I'll take Short Round over Mutt any day.

Mad Slanted Powers
02-17-2008, 01:37 PM
I concur with Roojay and JMG. I used to go into AOL chatrooms a lot and hear plenty of negativity, whether it was people coming into the Star Wars room to say "Star Wars sucks" or "Star Wars is gay", or people coming into the music chatrooms and hating just about every band that people would mention. When I would calmly ask people to explain why they felt that way, they had no answer. Nowadays, I see the same sort of thing in Youtube comments and iTunes reviews. Before there was Led Zeppelin on iTunes, all they had was tribute bands and various interpretations like the bluegrass renditions. People couldn't handle it. Same thing with AC/DC and Metallica. Rather than see that these versions of the songs show how great the original material is, they rip it because they expect that the music by those bands has to be a certain way.

Based on the trailer, I think I will like this movie. I'm certain I'll like it better than Temple of Doom. It may not match the other two, but it should still be pretty good.

2-1B
02-17-2008, 02:20 PM
I just watched the trailer for the first time...it looks okay. Nothing that has me too excited but I'm curious to see it. :thumbsup:

Droid
02-18-2008, 04:38 PM
Now that someone has posted it, yes I am angry that Abner Ravenwood may be alive and well in this movie.

We were told he was dead over 20 years ago. It is a bit character only referenced, so why bring him back from the dead? It isn't as though the Abner Ravenwood cult was just aching for their hero's return.

90% of the population has no idea who the character is, so you gain nothing by having the character as opposed to ANY OTHER CHARACTER filling whatever role Abner will serve. Are they just doing this because Connery wouldn't be in it?

Those of us that have known Abner is dead are just increasingly angry that Lucas CAN'T respect what we are clearly told in prior dialogue. Marion didn't say, "He's missing" or "I think he's dead." She said, "He's dead."

People will say it isn't a contradiction because she could have been lying to Indy because she was mad at him or she could have honestly believed he was dead. Fine. I hope everyone enjoys their point of view and enjoys looking at Raiders through a new lens after this chapter.

I really hope Abner is shown in flashbacks only.

decadentdave
02-18-2008, 05:41 PM
After Sean Connery passed, his part was re-written as Abner.

It's possible Marion only thought he had died. Like I said, that's Hollywood for you. I wish Connery hadn't turned it down.

preacher
02-18-2008, 06:02 PM
The whole Abner being alive doesn't seem so bad to me. And as far as Marion goes, she could've meant it figuratively, like "he's dead (to me)". Something ****ed her off enough that she found herself drinking shots of god knows what with denizens in Tibet. Marion tells white lies. That IS her character. She isn't pathologically dishonest, but she is mischievious.

decadentdave
02-18-2008, 06:14 PM
Yeah like "Sorry Indy, he's not your kid. He's your father's. Indy, this is your brother, Mutt."

Droid
02-18-2008, 07:57 PM
Lucas said the Connery part was going to be a throw away, that they would have gone gotten a piece of information, and then gone on their way. Lucas said he was glad Connery turned it down because then people would have wanted Connery to go on the adventure too.

So they are bringing a character back from the dead for that?

Indy: We need this piece of information.
Marion: You know who'd know, my dad.
Indy: I thought you said he was dead.
Marion: Shut up. We're in a hurry here and dialogue from prior George Lucas
films NEVER has to bind the current story in any way.

JediTricks
02-18-2008, 11:26 PM
Nope, just the truth, and while you're right in that it still won't make Crystal Skull good no matter how the finished product turns out it would seem to indicate the opposite that folks won't enjoy it at least on the most basic level - as pure popcorn fun. ... A small group of fans nitpicking at what they personally feel is and isn't Indy won't ever be the test of quality either. Of that, I can assure you.You and I are judging this project by exactly the same evidence we currently have at hand, the only difference is that you also are putting weight into your "faith" that Lucas, Spielberg, and Ford won't let this be bad despite some dubious material at this point.

This "pure popcorn" argument that's been going on for Transformers and now for this is utter bunk. Star Wars, Jaws, Raiders of the Lost Ark, those were popcorn films and they were a far sight better than a lot of the recent box office smashes - not because of nostalgia, but because they're better-made movies. You think they were going for Oscar gold with Robocop or Ghostbusters? Like I just told Tycho in another thread, just because something holds your attention for 2 hours and keeps you from staring at the walls and drooling doesn't make it good. Gruel may keep you alive, but that doesn't make it a filet mignon, if more folks showed a little discretion in those sorts of matters, they wouldn't keep foisting the cinematic equivalent of finely-packaged gruel on us.


I'd also argue that the general population has far from forgotten or done any wholesale 'laughing off' of the prequels. Quite the opposite in fact, as it seems as though the prequels actually (for better or worse) breathed new life and brought in a whole new generation of fans into the Star Wars brand allowing the juggernaut to reach all new heights.I would wholeheartedly disagree with that, you find me some prequel references in pop culture from the last 3 months and then some OT ones, let's see how many stack up against each other. When you mention Darth Vader on the street to someone, do they talk about the guy in the black armor or some whiny Canadian kid?


And BTW, isn't it a tad cliche for someone on the internet to complain about people complaining? :p



Now that someone has posted it, yes I am angry that Abner Ravenwood may be alive and well in this movie.

We were told he was dead over 20 years ago. It is a bit character only referenced, so why bring him back from the dead? It isn't as though the Abner Ravenwood cult was just aching for their hero's return.

90% of the population has no idea who the character is, so you gain nothing by having the character as opposed to ANY OTHER CHARACTER filling whatever role Abner will serve. Are they just doing this because Connery wouldn't be in it?

Those of us that have known Abner is dead are just increasingly angry that Lucas CAN'T respect what we are clearly told in prior dialogue. Marion didn't say, "He's missing" or "I think he's dead." She said, "He's dead."

People will say it isn't a contradiction because she could have been lying to Indy because she was mad at him or she could have honestly believed he was dead. Fine. I hope everyone enjoys their point of view and enjoys looking at Raiders through a new lens after this chapter.

I really hope Abner is shown in flashbacks only.My guess is Lucas is still stinging from not getting Abner into Last Crusade the way he intended. Lucas carries way too much baggage with him when he does these sequels. (Abner was supposed to be the guy that gave Indy the hat in the beginning sequence.)

decadentdave
02-19-2008, 12:19 AM
Lucas' problem is that he always feels compelled to explain everything. He gets the hat from Abner, the scar from trying to whip the lion, Teddy Roosevelt taught him how to fire a gun, etc.

Anybody else think the trailer looked an awful lot like The Emperor's Tomb video game?

El Chuxter
02-19-2008, 01:41 AM
If everyone posts about how much they love something, and no one was allowed to complain, wouldn't it make for boring conversation?

I've said before, and will say again now, at the risk of it being ignored again: I would love for this movie to be great. However, the recent history of all three principal contributors, the departure from the mythology of the earlier movies, the inclusion of Shia LeBouf (despite his being so lousy he could take acting lessons from Keanu Reaves), and the lackluster (my opinion) trailer aren't doing much to impress me.

I think it's fair to expect a certain level of quality from the latest installment of such an amazingly great series. I'm not getting a good feeling from anything related to Indy IV so far. I'd rather, unless I hear some incredible reviews, not watch this and not be disappointed as I was with ROTS or Spider-Man 3.

I can assure you of one thing: I will be getting the soundtrack CD the day it comes out (or pre-ordering it online). John Williams can do no wrong. Except for Heartbeeps. Or Sleepers. Those were both kinda carpy.

I'll leave everyone else to praise Indiana Jones IV now and won't bother you guys anymore. :)

decadentdave
02-20-2008, 02:12 AM
Can someone please explain to me how Indy knows not to look at what's inside of the Ark? This has bugged me for 25 years. How does he just know? There is nothing in the Bible that says "Thou shalt not look upon thee Ark or thou shalt have thoust head explode."

El Chuxter
02-20-2008, 09:22 AM
There are several passages in the Bible that prohibit anyone from looking directly at the Ark when it's "powered up" or looking inside at any point.

decadentdave
02-20-2008, 01:19 PM
There are several passages in the Bible that prohibit anyone from looking directly at the Ark when it's "powered up" or looking inside at any point.

Could you quote some? "Powered up" lol Sounds like a video game.

Rocketboy
02-20-2008, 01:37 PM
Could you quote some? "Powered up" lol Sounds like a video game.IIRC, you can hear someone yell "Finish Him!" as the Ark is opened.

decadentdave
02-20-2008, 01:50 PM
IIRC, you can hear someone yell "Finish Him!" as the Ark is opened.

FATALITY! lol

joshephe
02-20-2008, 02:20 PM
1 Samuel 6:19


But the Lord killed seventy men from Beth-shemesh because they looked into the Ark of the Lord.

El Chuxter
02-20-2008, 02:25 PM
Thank you. You saved me the trouble of looking up the passages. :)

If I have time later, I'll try to get some of the others.

2-1B
02-20-2008, 06:19 PM
Chux, please reference the biblical passage on Crystal Skulls while you are at it. :thumbsup:

General_Grievous
03-10-2008, 02:55 PM
Poster art, once again courtesy of Mr. Drew Struzan. I like it. Reminds me of a mix of the "Raiders" and "Last Crusade" posters. However, I think Struzan drew Indy looking a little bit too old.

decadentdave
03-10-2008, 03:00 PM
That's a terrible poster. Looks worse than Crusade. Indy looks like he's about to cry and I didn't know that Dom Deluise was in it. :p

Mad Slanted Powers
03-10-2008, 07:37 PM
It looks all right. I don't think he looks too old in it.

Rocketboy
03-10-2008, 10:31 PM
The teaser poster was far superior.

JediTricks
03-11-2008, 02:10 AM
I don't like this poster, it's very much in line with the prequel posters which I thought lacked imagination. It reminds me of the Last Crusade poster as well, but in a darker tone and with less creative use of character placement. It's almost as if it's saying "here's the title in visual form".

decadentdave
03-11-2008, 04:31 AM
Indy being chased by the crystal skull reminds me of the head of the Supreme Being from Time Bandits. "RETURN WHAT YOU HAVE STOLEN FROM ME!" :whip:

And that Mayan temple with the indians, is this Indy meets Apocalypto? I didn't know that Mel Gibson ghost directed.

decadentdave
03-11-2008, 04:40 AM
The teaser poster was far superior.

I agree. The teaser at least reminded me of the awesome Temple of Doom poster with Indy standing at the mouth of the temple holding the machete.

Tycho
04-23-2008, 02:57 AM
So I started watching the Young Indiana Jones series, Volume 1, for my very first time.

Indy and a slave named Omar have been kidnapped in Morrocco. Thus far the production value is good with script and believablility, but there are no special effects like in the movies. I wonder if there will be?

But it's watchable.

So Anna Jones was his mother.

His father, Henry Jones, Sr. is well-cast actually. This is when he's too young for Sean Connery to possibly play the character.

jonthejedi
04-23-2008, 05:38 AM
The Indy teaser trailer(along with J.J.Abram's Star Trek) is on the Cloverfield DVD..just F.Y.I. Also picked up IJ wave 1 from Target using DPCI#.

Tycho
04-23-2008, 06:35 PM
So far, the documentary on Lawrence of Arabia and the Middle East that is on Young Indy Disc 1 is more interesting than the actual episode - although the slaver attack was a cool scene.

Mad Slanted Powers
04-23-2008, 06:50 PM
So far, the documentary on Lawrence of Arabia and the Middle East that is on Young Indy Disc 1 is more interesting than the actual episode - although the slaver attack was a cool scene.So far, I've only watched that first episode and none of the bonus features. Correction, I think I may have watched some of the features on disc 1, but I don't recall if I saw the thing on Lawrence. I think I watched something on the tombs. The episode was all right. I can't recall if I saw this one when it was on TV. I think you'll like the later episodes when he is a teenager. Like his father said in The Last Crusade, "You left just when you were starting to get interesting." Plus, Sean Patrick Flannery played the role pretty well from what I recall. My memories of the series were a bit fuzzy, but when Episode I was released, Jake Lloyd's Anakin made me think of the younger Young Indy episode.

Tycho
04-23-2008, 11:26 PM
The documentaries are great - the one on Slavery was interesting, and the one on T.E. Lawrence was really informative - especially with how relevant it is to understanding the Iraq War and Middle East crisis (Palestinian issue) today. And I MEAN they are interesting! If you have this DVD set, you should watch them. And I'm still on Disc 1!

Like I said, the episode is OK. I went back and watched it again once I'd learned more about T.E. Lawrence and Howard Carter from the documentaries.

I might even watch the documentaries before I watch the episodes.

They're pretty good.

Mad Slanted Powers
04-24-2008, 01:25 AM
The documentaries are great - the one on Slavery was interesting, and the one on T.E. Lawrence was really informative - especially with how relevant it is to understanding the Iraq War and Middle East crisis (Palestinian issue) today. And I MEAN they are interesting! If you have this DVD set, you should watch them. And I'm still on Disc 1!

Like I said, the episode is OK. I went back and watched it again once I'd learned more about T.E. Lawrence and Howard Carter from the documentaries.

I might even watch the documentaries before I watch the episodes.

They're pretty good.That's why I liked the older teen Indy ones. The Versailles Conference was a good history lesson (assuming it was an accurate portrayal) for how things there affected the rest of the 20th Century.

Tycho
04-24-2008, 01:40 AM
The Young Indy series really brings me new appreciation for Lucas / Spielberg's / McCallum's vision.

Originally, I thought Lucas just wanted to have an early 20th Century version of James Bond to call all his own. He made him an archeologist to make him different enough from Bond's "Cold War secret agent" character, and it all played well for him. He cast Harrison Ford and teamed up with Steven Spielberg, and history was made.

He also focused on a very simple idea: the Ark of the Covenant and whatever happened to it. He threw in the Nazis as universally utilizable bad guys, and he had a hit.

Then he delved deeper into sociology with Temple of Doom, looking at cultural developments alongside issues about looting (Cho Le and working for Chinese organized crime).

The Last Crusade returned to the easier to digest formula with a Judeo-Christian artifact at the center of the story and Nazis as the bad guys.

But then, it seems Lucas had the idea to turn his action hero into a history teacher and it works quite well. I love learning about history and sociology, so this formula is really working for me. I can't stop watching.

I'm on Disc 2 now, which is an African safari with President Rooseveldt and has themes of natural conservation and protecting endangered species wrapped into the story's fold. I don't know what course of history any of the rest of the story will tell, but I took a break to digest my thoughts about the first 2 themes I brought up.

I really love stuff that makes me think!

Droid
04-24-2008, 10:48 AM
But then, it seems Lucas had the idea to turn his action hero into a history teacher and it works quite well. I love learning about history and sociology, so this formula is really working for me. I can't stop watching.

I would argue it was a bad idea and corrupted what the character was all about. Indiana Jones was supposed to be about action and adventure and enterainment. The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles beat you over the head with a "learning can be fun" theme that was not at all subtle.

By the way, is John Hurt in the preview? He isn't the guy next to Indy when Indy is pulled out of the car is he? The one he has the "this isn't going to be easy" conversation with?

And did anyone read the Entertainment Weekly article that discussed Lucas' original idea for the fourth movie, and how there are still elements are still in the script because as Harrison basically said "you can't convince George any of his ideas are bad"? Makes me very nervous about this movie which I may not see.

preacher
04-24-2008, 02:43 PM
Yeah, I read that article too. Three things I gleened were some information on the "horde" plot element that is always in these movies (snakes, bugs, and rats), who that man is that stands next to indy during the now infamous "This isn't going to be easy" line from the preview, and the origin of the aliens being in this storyarc.

First I was certain that Pirahnas were going to be horde that played into the storyline somehow. Boy was I wrong. I won't say what the horde is going to be in case its a spoiler.

Abner Ravenwood is not the guy standing next to Indy during the russian ambush. Apparently its a friend from WWII. I thought this was a clever means of explaining why Indy has been incognito - he was in WWII.

Apparently the title of the movie was originally going to be something like Indiana Jones and The Space Men From Mars. Aliens were always intended to play into the new movie somehow since the first draft. It wasn't until a few drafts later the Skulls surfaced.

The rest of the article did very little except to show the friendly almost sibling-like rivalry that exists between Stephen and George. George is quite bitter over the chelaquing he got for the prequels.

I'm still not convinced this is going to be a good Indiana Jones movie. But the two bits of information I pulled from that article have aroused my curiousity.

Jedi_Master_Guyute
04-24-2008, 05:01 PM
I still believe that Lucas, Spielberg, and Ford would not have reunited if they didn't think the movie would kick a--.

and i'd love to get the Young Indy sets.......maybe if they drop in price or are onsale somewhere. :thumbsup:

Tycho
04-24-2008, 05:48 PM
On the latest Young Indy disc 3, I've learned:

More about what went into:

Rooseveldt attacking Columbia and nation-building Panama, all so we could get that Panama Canal (and the Van Halen song).

Before that, Rooseveldt also left his position as an Under-Secretary of the Navy and joined the enlisted troops to free Cuba from Spain in a very short-lived battle that Spain quickly lost. Cuba won its independence from Spain, but was then under the United States' thumb, as was Panama, which helps explain why they resent us.

Rooseveldt becoming a naturalist and preserving so much wilderness and explaining how eco-systems work. (Apparently the 10 year old Indiana Jones taught him, while Rooseveldt gave Jones his first shooting lessons - but Jones later attacked the President because he thought he was killing too many endangered species!)

Also, Rooseveldt (the first one) was a Republican, but his social reforms and attacks on big business monopolies, economic reforms, and rampant environmentalism all would have made him an extreme militant Democrat today. He insituted a 9-hour work day, a mandatory day off the job every week, sick leave, the outlawing of child-labor, artificially forced competition for any monopolies on Wall Street, and more. The man was from New York, but became a cowboy in North Dakota.

Indiana Jones (Henry Jones, Jr.) was actually from Princeton, New Jersey, btw.

Then I dug the art of Norman Rockwell - and there's a whole library of his works on the DVD that ties in to Indy's trip to Paris.

The Pablo Picasso is not to my particular taste, but he's interesting. And that he and his best friend Brauche invented the art called Cubism. They were drug junkies and lived out of garbage cans on the streets sometimes, barely keeping studio apartments in Paris (Picasso was actually from Spain but Paris was "where the art was" - compare that to going to Hollywood today) and the two of them (Brauche and Picasso) kept with prostitutes and were the life of the party. Indy, in his earliest teens, winds up hanging out with them and Norman Rockwell, who was in his later teens at the time.

One thing I find confusing, is the episodes tend to take 2 actors playing Indy, one at about age 9 (1909) and one at about age 14 (1914).

If you watch the DVDs you go

New Jersey
Cairo, Egypt
Morocco
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Kenya
Paris, France

But if you're trying to gauge Indy's age, wouldn't it be:

New Jersey
Cairo, Egypt
Kenya
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Morocco
Paris, France???

Either way would make sense as Dr. Jones Sr. has his family travel from country to country by passenger boat.

You would sail around Morocco to get from Egypt to Kenya (that's one way anyway), and then you could stop in Morocco on the way back to Europe, where you might first return to the West via the Mediterrenean and France. (They were based out of Oxford University in England, as Henry Jones was on loan to Oxford from Princeton New Jersey.)

Anyway, by age 10 or so, Indy can shoot and by 14 he can climb around the outside of buildings like Harrison Ford does in The Last Crusade. Somewhere about that age, he comes close to his first experience with a girl, in the form of a French prostitute, but it seems Norman Rockwell didn't let him get that far. (Going to a costume party where a bunch of the world's most famous artists from history are all using psychadelic drugs seems to be more of a priority).

But MAN, you get the impression that Indy really experienced life!

His mother would be worried sick about always losing him.

His father ignored him unless he felt he was long overdue and in danger - then Henry Jones would try to lead the rescue missions (Indy nearly being sold as a slave in Morocco was the closest call thus far).

And his tutor / governess Ms. Seymour seems to be a bit of an adventurer herself, surprisingly - for an older lady I assume to be in her 50's.

Devo
04-25-2008, 06:25 PM
I read a Lucas quote in FHM UK about how this film looks like it was shot 3 years after The Last Crusade. Thats promising. If only the same could be said of the Star Wars prequels.....that they were shot 3 years after ROTJ...not Last Crusade...y'know?

Tycho
04-30-2008, 08:42 PM
The relationship between Indiana Jones and his father is great during the episodes in Russia and Greece. Professor Henry Jones was well-cast and you can see his character developing into the man Sean Connery plays.

I love him speaking to contemporaries in Ancient Greek and Indy telling him that he doubts their cab driver can understand him.

Anyway, I'm really glad I purchased this series (blindly as a matter of fact, on Beasts' suggestion).

Jedi_Master_Guyute
04-30-2008, 08:43 PM
I watched a bootleg of the new trailer and it's definitely got me giddier about the flick! :thumbsup:

bigbarada
05-04-2008, 03:04 PM
So any word on what the "gross out" animal will be for this film? Raiders had snakes, Temple of Doom had bugs and Last Crusade had rats; so what are we getting for Crystal Skull?

What it is this time, I really hope it's filmed traditionally and not overblown with CG effects. Otherwise it's just going to look like those crappy beetles from The Mummy.

indyjones1981
05-04-2008, 03:31 PM
From what I have read listed on the Hasbrotoyshop.com website is this: 12 inch Dovchenko descreption list this:
As the Russians plow their way deeper into the jungle, the local wildlife gets stranger and stranger, influenced by the ancient energies flowing from the lost city of Akator. Alerted by panicked shouts from elsewhere in the column, Dovchenko turns to find himself surrounded by giant fire ants. He must fight his way free, or be painfully consumed by the immense insects!
Embark on your own thrilling Indiana Jones adventures with this Russian officer action figure. Dressed in uniform, keep Dovchenko’s enemies on guard with a pistol that fits in the figure’s hand, and a holster on the officer’s belt that keeps the pistol at his fingertips! Pose the weapon in his hands to stage him in a showdown against the giant fire ants!
Action figure comes dressed in uniform with hat, pair of boots, belt with holster, pistol and 6 giant fire ants accessories.
Also the soundtrack has songs titled 14: Secret Doors and Scorpions and 16: Ants

Mad Slanted Powers
05-04-2008, 03:37 PM
Ants rule! It always reminds me of the SNL "Sprockets" sketch when they did "Germany's Most Disturbing Home Videos." A body is found, which in itself is not all that disturbing. But when it is turned over, ANTS! ANTS! ANTS!

Yeah, ants were mentioned in an Entertainment Weekly article as well.