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James Boba Fettfield
10-04-2003, 11:51 AM
Taken from CNN.com


Horn was listed as critical Saturday, according to the University Medical Center for emergency surgery's recorded message service, updated at 2:30 a.m. (5:30 a.m. ET).

The tiger lunged at Horn's neck about half-way through the show, and dragged him off stage, audience members said. "He looked like a rag doll in his mouth," said Kirk Baser, from Pennsylvania.

Emergency officials arrived at the MGM Mirage Hotel-Casino around 8:20 p.m. and treated Horn for massive blood loss before he was rushed to University Medical Center for emergency surgery.

Horn was talking at the time emergency workers arrived, but had trouble breathing, Clark County Fire spokesman Bob Leinbach said.

Horn, the darker-haired member of Siegfried & Roy, was born in Nordenham, Germany on October 3, 1944. Combining magic with tiger stunts, the flamboyant duo has performed on the Las Vegas strip for nearly 30 years.

The tiger that attacked Horn is currently in quarantine and no one else was injured in the attack, according to MGM Mirage spokesman Alan Feldman.

Audience members were shocked to realize the attack was not part of an illusion or magic trick.

Amy Sherman, who was sitting in the front row with her mother about 10 yards away from the stage, said the attack happened right after Horn introduced the tiger.

"Right after that, the tiger kind of turned its head and bit him on the arm," Sherman said. "Roy started taking a microphone and started whapping the tiger on the head."

The tiger, who was on a short leash, then dragged Horn to the ground and they struggled before the tiger dragged him behind a curtain by his neck, she said. Trainers on stage rushed to aid Horn, trying to subdue the tiger.

"We just heard all this commotion behind the curtain and you could hear Roy scream," Sherman said. "Everyone at our table was kind of looking at each other, like 'Oh my God,'" she said.

After about a minute, which Sherman's mother said seemed like forever, Siegfried appeared on stage.

"You could tell he was really shook up, and he just said, 'I'm sorry but the show is over, and you know, the show has been canceled'" Joyce Edenholl said.

"Everyone there I think , thought it was part of the act, because no one really freaked out," Kirk Baser said. "When it grabbed him and dragged him off the stage, I thought maybe it was like some magic trick where they switch a rag doll or something."

A group of Australians said they witnessed the attack from the front row of the crowded theater, and also thought it was just part of the show.

"A lady ran past me, freaking out and it was then I sort of, in the back of my mind, thought now this isn't part of the show," said David Strudwick. "And then you look at the staff and they had a bit of horror in their eyes and ... it was like, wait a second, it may not be a part of the show."

Oy, what a profession. I wonder how common these attacks are on people who do this sort of a thing. I think I would of thought it was part of the show at first, but I'm not too sure when I'd think it might be real and not staged. Anyway, just thought I'd share this.

Jargo
10-04-2003, 11:56 AM
It's all done with mirrors y'know. Maybe Horn was wearing a different overpowering cologne that day and the tiger didn't much care for it. Fragrance abuse kids, don't do it. :D

Beast
10-04-2003, 12:04 PM
An example of Irony in action. I was wondering when one of them was going to get mauled. The moron should have backed off, instead of trying to beat an obviously ticked off Tiger in the head with a microphone. Shame that the tiger will probably suffer, for Roy's stupidity. :(

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

Kidhuman
10-04-2003, 12:13 PM
Its a shame, but it goes with the job. Wish him luck on recovery.

Jedi_Master_Guyute
10-04-2003, 01:29 PM
I don't think the tiger would be destroyed. Siegfried and Roy have always treated their animals with the utmost care and whatnot. Perhaps they'll give it to a zoo or something. I mean, it probably went hundreds of shows without having much of a problem. Hope he has a successful recovery and continues to perform. :)

2-1B
10-04-2003, 01:56 PM
The other article I just read claims that it was the tiger's first performance.

Lord Malakite
10-04-2003, 02:03 PM
I don't think the tiger would be destroyed. Siegfried and Roy have always treated their animals with the utmost care and whatnot. Perhaps they'll give it to a zoo or something.

Possible. They donated quite a few *rare* white lions to the Cincinnati Zoo.

Beast
10-04-2003, 02:16 PM
The other article I just read claims that it was the tiger's first performance.
I read that also. It was utterly idiotic if they brought out a newly trained tiger infront of a crowd of people. They should have known better then that. They probably didn't desensitize it enough to all the sounds and the noises, and it went a lil nuts on them out of fear.

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

bobafrett
10-04-2003, 03:02 PM
"Roy started taking a microphone and started whapping the tiger on the head."


That line cracks me up, I mean "whapping" just brings funny images to my mind! I do hope for a quick recovery for the Tiger.

EricRG
10-04-2003, 06:18 PM
I don't think the tiger was "newly trained", rather it was his "first performance". There's a difference. There's gotta be a first, right?

At any rate, you play with tigers, you'll get, well, mauled. Tigers belong in the wild, not in Las Vegas, the circus, or the zoo (unless they're being somehow rehabilitated). Unless you support animal cruelty, don't support such activities.

Beast
10-04-2003, 07:16 PM
I don't think the tiger was "newly trained", rather it was his "first performance". There's a difference. There's gotta be a first, right?

At any rate, you play with tigers, you'll get, well, mauled. Tigers belong in the wild, not in Las Vegas, the circus, or the zoo (unless they're being somehow rehabilitated). Unless you support animal cruelty, don't support such activities.
Didn't take long for someone to turn this isn't a discussion of animal cruelty, did it. As long as they're treated with respect and well cared for, there is nothing cruel about animal acts or the zoo. To blanket statement that those things are an example of animal cruelty is such an uneducated opinion, I am floored by it. Most animal trainers and zoo staff, love the animals they care for as much as if they were their own childen. They're not abusing these animals, it's not like they're raising them for food, or for clothes, or for to fight. Sheesh. Next you'll be pointing a finger at people who have cats, dogs, gerbils, fish, or etc. that they're abusing those animals by not allowing them to run or swim free. :rolleyes: :p

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

Jargo
10-04-2003, 07:59 PM
Well, is it not cruelty to have a tiger kept in captivity put to sleep for doing what it does naturally which is to catch and maul prey? Horn was prey the tiger merely hungry or playful like they are in the woild where animals of that nature belong. I'm sure it's not the first time one of the captors has been mauled but lets face it with their money they can afford good cosmetic reconstructive surgery. Point is that using animals in the way they are by theze two dweebs is demeaning to the animal. Tigers are hunters not ballet glamorous assistants to illusionists. If i was the tiger I think I'd be pretty ticked off being treated like a freak. Just because a tiger is born in captivity doesn't make it tame. Just because they whip the things into submission to respond to commands doesn't make them tame. These are wild animals that belong in the wild. Savage merciless hunters with claws the size of a bowie knife don't make pets. Big cats are not entertainment pretty as some might think they are.
Frankly i think the guy deserved to be ripped limb from limb but unfortunately that didn't happen and the goon will be back doing his godawful tortuous 'act' again. I mean how is it not cruel to have a tiger jump through a flaming hoop? How is it not cruel to suspend a tiger twenty feet in the air in a cage? Tigers like to sleep hunt kill and eat. Jungle is their territory not chippendale chintz hollywood home of the rich and famous. Manicured lawns are not tigers natural prowling grounds and anyone who keeps an animal in anything other than a natural habitat or natural style habitat is guilty of animal cruelty. Making animals perform is cruelty end of story. Taking animals from their natural habitat is cruelty. If these guys really want to save animals why don't they re-introduce their tiger stock to the place of origin? or similar terrain. It's obvious that their instincts are still intact so they wouldn't suffer from lack of food because they'd just revert to type and hunt. go feral again.
Equating cats, dogs, gerbils, fish to a huge tiger is ridiculous, asinine. All those animals have been domesticated over thousands of years or are too small to resist. Tigers are not domesticated animals ergo keeping them in such environments is cruel and inhumane.

Beast
10-04-2003, 08:08 PM
I agree, it's a shame that Roy wasn't torn limb for limb. Those sorts of animal acts I'm against. I was more making the point that to equate all things having to with animal acts or zoos as animal cruelty is what's asinine. It's a blanket statement which has no basis in fact. As for the domestic pets argument, I was stating that that's what Eric RG would be arguing next. Not that the two situations are at all related. Perhaps re-reading again, Jargo. Or not jumping to conclusions. It was a comment on his blanket statement. :rolleyes: :p

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

EricRG
10-04-2003, 09:26 PM
I'm not getting your point, JJB. What "blanket" statement? I never said anything remotely like any human dominance over animals is cruelty. How did you get that?

Animals in the zoo: cruelty. What animal wants to spend it's life in a cage? Have you ever been to the zoo? Take a look at the primates. How many of them seem depressed? You ever see a chimp in the zoo with its hair pulled out? You ever see them pacing or rocking back and forth? It's because they have been driven INSANE by their living conditions. We have POLAR BEARS here at the San Diego Zoo. How is that not cruel? How is it not cruel to keep an animal which is used to the vastness of the ocean in a swimming pool-sized enclosure? We got plenty of that here at SeaWorld. We keep humans in cages too...it's called PRISON, right?

How is the brainwashing of an animal not cruel? You can bet it takes physical discipline (abuse) to get these animals to do such unnatural things. And if you like to believe that animals in the circus are not physically abused, you are blind and only fooling yourself. How else would you get an elephant or a bear to do such idiotic things? Say please? LOL! These are ANIMALS and they understand only one thing with regards to how they respond to other animals (including humans): dominance. And how does one establish dominance? I guess saying please might work...

Jargo is right. Even if we blindly assume for a minute that these animals ARE treated "humanely" (no matter what, they still spend most of the day in a cage), they are stripped of their dignity. I really can't understand the attraction of a circus, myself. I find it FAR FAR more interesting to watch an animal do what they were meant to do. They do it quite well.

And JJB, your argument regarding domisticated animals is silly. :crazed: To equate them with zoo animals is missing the point and in fact is not a logical extrapolation of my statements.

InsaneJediGirl
10-04-2003, 10:30 PM
Have you ever been to the zoo? Take a look at the primates. How many of them seem depressed? You ever see a chimp in the zoo with its hair pulled out? You ever see them pacing or rocking back and forth? It's because they have been driven INSANE by their living conditions.

Perhaps we should put all the zoo animals on Paxil.That'll fix 'em :p ;)

Getting back to topic,Its not the tigers falut.When you work with such animals you need to expect attacks such as this.Whacking the tiger across the head with a microphone didnt help,it probably only made the tiger clamp down harder.:rolleyes:I hope the animal isnt destroyed,and the best of recoveries to Roy.

Lowly Bantha Cleaner
10-04-2003, 10:36 PM
I was kinda surprised to hear about this incident, this morning. If this was the animal's first performance, then maybe the spectacle of the crowd and lights as mentioned, made him fearful, and in a cat's natural response when he feels threatened, is too run or, if confronted, to attack, especially if he was provoked by Roy. Even my cat, who will go up to just about anybody who comes over our hourse, will act frightened when he is put in a new place or with a gaggle of people. And you think Roy would have better sense and training not to beat the animal over the head over the microphone at the first sign of things going awry. That only made the situation worse.

Hope Roy recovers. It would be quite a way to go. Until then tourists will have to stick with Penn & Teller or better yet, Wayne Newton. :crazed:

Tonysmo
10-05-2003, 03:06 AM
in response to the animal cruelty posts that have started to fly, lemme say that depending on the zoo, cruelty is a non-issue. The St. Louis zoo is by far one of THE best in the country, and probably in the top 20 in the world. There are reasons for zoos. Not only do the help sustain the endangered wildlife, but also give novice animal care givers and up close view. Most of the animals there are livin large and lovin it. THERE ARE.. however, many many many bad apples when it comes to having pets that SHOULD NOT be pets, or amusment pieces.. Tigers, bears, gators.. some things should be kept in the wild or in a zoo, and not be put onstage. many times local folk who have a tiger or something mean like that, end up getting tired, or it gets mean, or it gets old.. so they want to put it down. thats soo wrong. We have animal shelters set up in St. Louis to deter that from happining, but it still does. ( they are shelters, publicly funded - not the inhuman society )

anyhow - point is, pleas edont lump zoos, or respectable places where these exotics can be enjoyed, studied, breed and such - in the same breath as the cheap wanna-be fly by night entertainer types who could care less for the pets that have.

as for Roy.. well.. Im totally sure these guys took/take every precaution, and those cats live very well. but as with everything - ya just never know when someones havin a bad day.

LTBasker
10-05-2003, 09:01 AM
Didn't this happen on the Simpsons? Should've taken the warning! ;)

Agreed it's not the tiger's fault, actually it sounds ridiculous that they didn't have a team prepared, or that Roy doesn't have training to deal with an attacking tiger. That's just sad, they should have guards there with tranq guns and a team to act quickly.

Exhaust Port
10-05-2003, 10:21 AM
Even if they had a tranquilizer team as part of their show at some point I'm sure that after their 20+ years of no incidents that they would have felt it wasn't a necessity to keep them around. Perhaps in the future they'll consider it but again, if nothing happens for years they'll figure that they aren't needed again.

Bel-Cam Jos
10-05-2003, 10:54 AM
One of the TV news reports yesterday said they use the "this is its first performance" line as part of the act, to make it seem more dangerous, or to get the support of the audience. Apparently, the tiger had been in front of an audience before, and had perfomed this act, too.

Worst part of all this will be all the jokes made at their expense. Not sympathy, only laughs. :(

mabudonicus
10-05-2003, 11:17 AM
I'm sure he had some training as to what one could do vs. a tiger, but unless he had superhuman powers to back it up, there's nothing one can do... whapping it on the head seems to make sense... out in the wild mebbe not so much, but with all the people there, he was prolly trying to buy time...get the animal to blink and stuff.......
I won't make any jokes at anyones expense... the cartoon siegfried and Roy made a few years back was worse than anything I could say.
It musta been pretty freaky to see happening, though, I hate performing animal shows, but that one performance would have been worth seeing

EricRG
10-05-2003, 12:27 PM
Sure, there are some zoos that do better jobs than others. We have the San Diego Wild Animal Park that does a decent job. HOWEVER, zoos as a method to conserve endangered species is obviously the wrong way to attack that problem.

I hope Roy survives and recovers completely. I also hope he learns his lesson and comes out against such shows.

scruffziller
10-05-2003, 12:41 PM
I forsee their shows going on. I think they are that stubborn.

The Overlord Returns
10-06-2003, 10:14 AM
One word for Roy....Karma.

As for the tiger, being a "rare" animal, I do believe it is protected and cannot be destroyed.....at least I hope so.

Exhaust Port
10-06-2003, 10:42 AM
I think you make a good point TOR, with the Tiger being endangered animal it can't be destroyed. Perhaps the tiger knew of this protection and took advantage of the situation. ;)

mabudonicus
10-06-2003, 10:50 AM
Didn't the tiger have some real crazy name??? something like Malaki or something, I've only heard it whilst not paying any attention....
Ya gotta imagine that bending such a strong animal to ones will would take some pretty strange treatment....

Yes, the tiger should be let go, somewheres where if it bites something, it is doing it's job, cos as others have said, that's what they do...

And ericrg, gotta agree, the idea that zoos\animal shows are useful to "preserve" species that otherwise might be extinct is ridiculous and insulting , even worse the notion that circuses and stuff serve to educate people about other animals from faraway lands, total hooey....

The best place for animals is where they belong, and if where they belong no longer exists, first priority should be to remake it.... sorry, that sounded kinda dumb... have to stop short as it gets pretty political right about here...
Roy is communicating with doctors etc...... and it was announced by their agent that "the show is over", so that's some good news at least

Dr Zoltar
10-06-2003, 12:45 PM
There was a sister story to this on last night. In NYC, some guy had a full grown tiger and alligator in his apartment. I think it was in Harlem. He claims to have been trying to recreate the Garden of Eden in his apartment. It was crazy! The news was showing surveillance tape of the Tiger lounging on a sofa.


NEW YORK (AFP) - Police removed a 180-kilogram (400-pound) tiger from a New York apartment in a commando-style operation.


Authorities investigated the home, in a public housing complex in New York's Harlem neighborhood, after a man checked into a nearby hospital seeking treatment for bite wounds he said came from a pit bull, officials said.

But doctors determined the bites could not have come from a dog, prompting the man, identified as Antoine Yates, 37, to leave the hospital abruptly, yanking an IV out of his arm, police said.

Meanwhile, police and animal control officers drilled a hole in the door of the apartment and spotted the tiger inside. An animal control officer abseiled down the outside of the building with a tranquilizer gun and shot the tiger through an apartment window.

"I saw him eye to eye, to say the least," said Emergency Service Unit cop Martin Duffy. "He charged twice and I shot him. He charged a last time and broke through the glass."

Police removed the tranquilized animal, bound to a stretcher, about a half hour later. It was to be transported to a wildlife preserve in Ohio on Sunday after spending the night in an animal shelter.

A three-foot cayman alligator was also removed from the five-bedroom apartment.

A second tiger, some cubs, two Rottweilers, rabbits and a tarantula also lived in the apartment, until some family members, including children, moved to Philadelphia in June, taking the animals with them, neighbors said.

The menagerie had been an open secret in the housing complex but animal control officers had not responded to resident's complaints.

Yates was identified as the owner of the animal and apprehended at a hospital near Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, police said. "He just has a love for animals," said his sister, Cynthia Yates. "There's nothing wrong with that."

mabudonicus
10-06-2003, 01:01 PM
Actually there was a similar event about a block away recently.. police raided a suspected cocaine dealer... they found about 2 pounds of the drug and about 200 pounds of live alligator in his basement... way to keep it on the down-low...
Sorry to go off topic, ya just sparked my memory (so rare that I couldn't help but respond:D)

Exhaust Port
10-06-2003, 01:10 PM
Zoltar, that is one bizarre story. :eek::crazed::eek::crazed:

Lord Malakite
10-06-2003, 01:33 PM
Didn't the tiger have some real crazy name??? something like Malaki or something, I've only heard it whilst not paying any attention....

You called. :happy: Oh wait, your talking about the tiger. :confused:

El Chuxter
10-06-2003, 01:43 PM
Anyone else having a hard time not cracking offensive jokes about this situation? :rolleyes:

Exhaust Port
10-06-2003, 01:56 PM
Ummmm.... Yes ;)

The Overlord Returns
10-06-2003, 02:06 PM
Yep..........same thing happened when I heard Robert Palmer died.......

Kidhuman
10-06-2003, 02:25 PM
Jim Rome did about a ten minute thing on this and he was hilarious. I couldnt help but laugh at it.

mabudonicus
10-06-2003, 03:16 PM
It is difficult.... I've seen a lot of things on real-tv type shows where my laughter was met with horrified looks..... sometimes getting what you have coming to you can be funny for other people to watch... the Germans call it "schadenfreude", a real useful word we don't have in english...
I actually had a couple ready to go, then thought better of it.... for cynical comedy, this situation is a semi-tragic goldmine..... :D \m/

Tonysmo
10-07-2003, 01:08 AM
I think your adding words into my previous post. I never said anything about any animal shows, what I said was a zoo, a GOOD zoo, can and is a suitable place to rehabilate animals, breed them, and have them for observation and study. Not once did I mention they should parade them around and have them jumping through flamming hoops. You may find that insulting, so be it. I DO agree that certain animals SHOULD NOT be taken out of the wild, ie- I have a love for aquariums., but refuse to have a piranha as they just do not belong in house hold aquariums.. same thing with lions tigers and bears - oh my! ( you knew that was coming.. and they wouldnt fit in an aquarium anyhow..) regardless..
I think there is indeed a need to a place to be able to breed, and rehab animals.

and being that Im a heartless basturd.. Id like to hear some of these jokes..

bobafrett
10-07-2003, 01:53 AM
I heard the other day that before Roy was taken away to the hospital, he said "Make sure you don't hurt the Tiger". I very seriously doubt the Tiger will be destroyed.

2-1B
10-07-2003, 02:36 AM
Actually there was a similar event about a block away recently.. police raided a suspected cocaine dealer... they found about 2 pounds of the drug and about 200 pounds of live alligator in his basement... way to keep it on the down-low...

:eek: :eek: :eek:

That prompts a mathematical equation:

Lanny + cocaine - drug deal gone bad = dinner for the alligator

scruffziller
10-12-2003, 11:55 AM
Now they are saying that the tiger was trying to protect him. What a sham,:rolleyes: :D


The show is cancelled for good. Ohhhhh, what a loss.:rolleyes:

Darth Jax
10-12-2003, 10:27 PM
pam anderson in her infinite wisdom has decided they should free the 'exotic' pets they use for their act. i don't have a problem with their use of animals in their show, but i get sick of pam and her PETA comments everytime she opens her mouth.