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2-1B
11-29-2001, 02:49 PM
I'm wondering how other fans are anticipating his entry into the films?

I was wary of the "teenage hunk factor", but after seeing a few interviews of this guy, I'm really looking forward to his performances. He seems very thoughtful and distinguished. While his physical appearance in Life as a House is goofy, I must say he seems very compelling in that film.

I have read that a TF.N staffer felt the Anakin/Padme thing seems "forced" . . . my initial belief (if indeed it is forced) is that it's due more to the technical style of Lucas, and not the ability of this young actor.

So, what are some of your impressions?

Wolfwood319
11-29-2001, 02:53 PM
From the trailers I've seen so far the verdict is, inconclusive. It some of the scenes he seemed to fit the character very well, and others he did seem forced, especially in some of the padme scenes.

Of course it could be the editing of the trailers, where a scene gets cut in akward ways and the dialouge doesn't fit sometimes. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

BTW, this should be moved to EII movie sections.

master jedi
11-29-2001, 05:18 PM
Wrong forum, dude.


From what I've seen I don't care much for his acting. I guess I'll have to wait to see AotC to make my final decision(sp?).

JediTricks
11-30-2001, 02:16 AM
I moved this to the movie Ep 2 spoilers section since this isn't a toy-related thread.

I thought Hayden seemed a little too much of a snotty whiner in the trailers, he's kinda getting on my nerves, but I wouldn't be surprised if that was from Lucas' directing technique of not telling the actors ANYTHING.

bigbarada
11-30-2001, 09:52 AM
I don't really think he'll do any worse than Mark Hamill. As long as the acting isn't as wooden as it was in TPM I'll be happy.

JEDIpartner
11-30-2001, 10:58 AM
I think Hayden will be just fine. I dunno what everyone is getting so upset about... it's ONLY a movie! :rolleyes:

Rollo Tomassi
11-30-2001, 11:51 AM
ONLY a movie? ONLY A MOVIE?!? Yeah..I gues it is:rolleyes:
Hayden did a fine job in LAAH and I think he'll be fabulous in AOTC. The only way you'll be disappointed in his performance is if you're LOOKING FOR IT. I swear, you could convince yourself Pacino sucked in the Godather if you went in with that preconceived notion. I have a feeling, JT is going to do just that. Go into this film, ready to find all it's faults. Title sucks, Hayden is too whiny, George can't direct, Ewan doesn't look interested, Natalie is ugly, the romance is forced, I can totally tell thats CGI, the plot is weak...Write us a bad review before you see it, why don't you Mr. David Ansen/Peter Travers???

xboywonder
11-30-2001, 12:10 PM
Well... I have to say That in some parts of the trailers Hayden does seem a little week...

i.e. "It's all Obi-Wan's fault !!"

But maybe it's just the way it was edited... I'm actually a little more worried about the whole "Yoda Fight Scene" thing than anything else...

I realize it is just a movie... But I'm a fan, I grew up with it, I have turned it into a hobbie for myself... and I hate to see something really stupid going on in one of the films that turns me off to that portion of the saga...

i.e. Bad acting... to cartoon-like... Midichlorine - or whatever... Yoda(Jackie Chan Style)... George Lucas... Jar Jar...

You get the idea.

Co Jo-Da
11-30-2001, 01:01 PM
I've Hayden in this other works, from Life as a House and his TV stuff as well... He has always impressed with his ablities... GL had good reason to choose him out of the litter of actors that wanted the part (like Ryan Phillippe and Leonardo DiCaprio). But like you said Rollo Tomassi we'll have to see it on the screen...

2-1B
11-30-2001, 01:13 PM
I apologize to the forums for the misplacement of this thread.

Rollo Tomassi, can you give me your opinion of LAAH as a whole film? I have seen many reviews that blast the entire film while lauding Christensen. I do plan to see it soon, I'm just curious as to how another film fan received it.

Jargo
11-30-2001, 05:54 PM
I'm not entirely sure that I like Haydens dialogue delivery style. he seems to have his voice caught in the back of his throat and rumbles his dialogue in frequencies my dog can't even hear. maybe if they play the movie to Elephants they will be able to translate it for me.

The trailers painted his performance as trivial and immature with a spoilt brat attitude. And the scenes with natalie did seem contrived at times. Maybe it is the trailer edit talking the dialogue out of context but somehow I doubt that any of the other scenes will be any better. At least Hayden gets his inflections in the right places though unlike Ewan who can't deliver a line to save his life.

My impressions are from the footage I've seen so far. I believe this is what the thread starter was asking for. So condemning anyones opinion based on that fact is sheer idiocy. We all are entitled to agree or disagree but we all are answering the question asked by the thread starter so there;'s no need to get antsy about it.:p

I've never watched the Godfather so I couldn't possibly comment. :)

2-1B
11-30-2001, 08:08 PM
Nice presentation Emperor Jargo!

I'm waiting to see the "Forbidden Love" trailer, and now I'm wary of it . . . when the TPM trailers were out, I thought the dialogue was BETTER than during the actual flow of the film.

So I guess I'm hoping that if it sounds bad out of context, maybe it will fit better throughout the film.

I'm still optimistic about Hayden the actor, if not Hayden the Star Wars player . . .

I'm excited to find out !

JediTricks
12-01-2001, 01:10 AM
That's it Rollo, I'm the one making snap judgements about things, even though you just wrote an entire script in your head based on things you THINK I'll do, while I was just judging Hayden's work in the fraggin' trailers. I do not understand why it's so hard to accept someone's opinions at face value - I based my opinions on what I saw, are you one of the people you're accusing others of being, are you basing your opinion of my comments on your bias instead of face value?

I saw Jake Lloyd's work on some film on the Independant Film Channel in '99 and I thought he was REALLY good for a child actor, but look at his work in Ep 1 (he was 7 in most of it); so I'm not going to prejudge Hayden's job in Ep 2 based on his other work either, it's up to Lucas how good the character goes onscreen.

Rollo Tomassi
12-01-2001, 03:24 AM
Peace, man. Everyone knows you hate the title. And you've referred to Ms. Portman as 'oily ' and 'not attractive' in other threads. But I can't very well go on a rant with only those two things, can I?;) :p So toss in the whiny comment about Hayden and George not being an Actor's Director (which is true). That's four. "Boba Fett looks like something from LucasARTS rather than Lucasfilm." That's five. You've had misgivings about Ani and Padme hooking up after not seeing each other for ten years, rather than slowly building a relationship up over the course of ten years. That's six. The weak plot is an extrapolation of Episode 1, which had "gaping holes you could fly an X-Wing through." That's seven. The Ewan thing, I threw in for fun. He seems to be the Harrison Ford of this trilogy, bad mouthing the title and the fans, so I can see him growing disinterested in playing the part. Just occasionally, I would like to hear a positive comment from you. You just seem so pessimistic about everything all the time. I don't agree or disagree with your opinions about a lot of stuff, but you seem to be overwhelmingly negative. That's all I'm saying, I notice the negativity in your posts A LOT. It just kind of drags me down seeing a fellow fan so disgruntled by Star Wars. Maybe if you come up with five positive things to say about Episode II, I'll sleep a little better tonight. Well, either way, peace man.


Caesar. I read a lot of reviews that said it sucked, too, but I thought it was a really well done film. Kind of American Beauty lite. I will say I laughed more in LAAH than I did in Shallow Hal which was intended to be a comedy.

JediTricks
12-03-2001, 01:29 AM
Originally posted by Rollo Tomassi
The weak plot is an extrapolation of Episode 1, which had "gaping holes you could fly an X-Wing through." That's the extrapolation you are making, not me. And who's quote is that?

I didn't say Fett looked like he was from Lucasarts, I said Jango's ascent to the tower scene did. HUGE difference.

As for "Just occasionally, I would like to hear a positive comment from you. You just seem so pessimistic about everything all the time", maybe if you weren't hunting down my every so-called "negative" comment, you would have noticed that a lot of my comments here in the Ep 2 spoilers thread are actually neither negative nor positive, such this selection of my posts (some neutral, some positive, none negative) from the last month:
http://www.sirstevesguide.com/vbportal/forums/showthread.php?postid=21532#post21532
http://www.sirstevesguide.com/vbportal/forums/showthread.php?postid=23369#post23369
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http://www.sirstevesguide.com/vbportal/forums/showthread.php?postid=22223#post22223
http://www.sirstevesguide.com/vbportal/forums/showthread.php?postid=20747#post20747
http://www.sirstevesguide.com/vbportal/forums/showthread.php?postid=19132#post19132
http://www.sirstevesguide.com/vbportal/forums/showthread.php?postid=19449#post19449
http://www.sirstevesguide.com/vbportal/forums/showthread.php?postid=20222#post20222
http://www.sirstevesguide.com/vbportal/forums/showthread.php?postid=21129#post21129
http://www.sirstevesguide.com/vbportal/forums/showthread.php?postid=20511#post20511
http://www.sirstevesguide.com/vbportal/forums/showthread.php?postid=20737#post20737
http://www.sirstevesguide.com/vbportal/forums/showthread.php?postid=20512#post20512
http://www.sirstevesguide.com/vbportal/forums/showthread.php?postid=19672#post19672
http://www.sirstevesguide.com/vbportal/forums/showthread.php?postid=19453#post19453
http://www.sirstevesguide.com/vbportal/forums/showthread.php?postid=18286#post18286
http://www.sirstevesguide.com/vbportal/forums/showthread.php?postid=18550#post18550
http://www.sirstevesguide.com/vbportal/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1729 (that's 8 posts in one thread by me, none negative)
http://www.sirstevesguide.com/vbportal/forums/showthread.php?postid=19125#post19125
http://www.sirstevesguide.com/vbportal/forums/showthread.php?postid=19111#post19111
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Darth Rage
12-16-2001, 03:48 AM
He's a girly boy :)

2-1B
07-04-2002, 12:27 AM
Well, I loved him. :happy: Fine job overall, I wouldn't have taken ANY of those other guys whose names were bandied about.

Jargo, your points from last year about his speaking are duly noted . . . I didn't have any problems with it myself, but I did pick up on some "Canadianisms", or at least what I believed to be examples of his accent. ( I invite correction if I'm mistaken. :) )

For instance, the word "too".

"This is my first assignment on my own, I am too.
Don't worry, we have R-Two with us."

I'm not certain that it's a Canadian accent going on, it's just a thought I had . . . :)

scruffziller
07-04-2002, 07:14 PM
First off I thought man this guy looks like he was taken from N'SYNC!! But I guess that had to be somewhat relevant.

scruffziller
07-04-2002, 07:16 PM
Originally posted by Darth Rage
He's a girly boy :)
No that is girly man:p

Jonna
07-05-2002, 01:13 AM
His acting was so bad that I don't even like the character any longer. Jake Lloyd was a perfect fit, but Hayden made me want to ram a skewer through my face. I refuse to even buy the Anakin figures because of him. I find him more annoying then Jar Jar.

Where the hell is Vader when you need him. Come on and turn evil already damnit!!!!!

jjreason
07-05-2002, 02:36 AM
Originally posted by Jonna
His acting was so bad that I don't even like the character any longer.

Man, that's a shame, Jonna. The more I watch AOTC, the better I like Hayden's work. Upon first watching it there were a few things I didn't like, namely his mood changes. They seemed a little TOO choppy - more like a mental health patient than a dark lord in waiting. I kind of thought he should have gradually gone to griping about Obi Wan when Padme was packing instead of pulling the feminine (I know Im going to get it for that) "fine one second, cranky the next" bit.
All in all, the performance has grown on me, with any luck it will on you too.
One way or the other, Im pretty sure that he'll be back for Episode III. Then you'll get your Vader!

DarthBrandon
07-05-2002, 09:55 AM
Originally posted by Jonna
His acting was so bad that I don't even like the character any longer. Jake Lloyd was a perfect fit, but Hayden made me want to ram a skewer through my face. I refuse to even buy the Anakin figures because of him. I find him more annoying then Jar Jar.

Where the hell is Vader when you need him. Come on and turn evil already damnit!!!!!

I'm sorry you feel that way Jonna, Ive seen ATOC four times already and I too like jjreason, like his performance better everytime I see it. One must take into consideration the multitude of feelings and emotions this character is having and is not supposed to be having during the film. He is a Jedi who is not supposed to have these feelings ( Love, Hate etc.) and the conflict is tearing him up inside, so it's no wonder why he's acting this way. Very difficult to pull this off. I thought he did a fine job at it.

Jonna
07-05-2002, 10:15 AM
Sorry about the violence. I was in a really bad mood when I posted that message last night. I do not, however, retract my prior statement. When you take into consideration that I actually like AOTC better than TPM, but also that I saw TPM in the theatres 9 times as opposed to AOTC only 2 times, you know that something is wrong. I know that the character is suppose to be a brat, but I could not believe his acting in the least. My girlfriend feels the same way as I do. I think that I'll see it just one more time and then wait till I can watch it at home and just fast forward through the stuff that ticks me off.

Was the acting any better in the first films? I really can't say because I was much younger at the time and believed things much easier and now I still see it as just the only what that it could have been done.

DarthBrandon
07-05-2002, 10:35 AM
Originally posted by Jonna

Was the acting any better in the first films? I really can't say because I was much younger at the time and believed things much easier and now I still see it as just the only what that it could have been done.

I would have to say the acting in all the films is not that great, but these are sci-fi movies and one does not expect , or at least I do not expect them to be oscar performances. I thought that Hayden was good, not great like I thought Ewan was. Even Lee and Jackson I thought could have been better. Portman is just a pretty faced filler in my opinion, she's not believable for her character and she's admitted that S.W. doesn't interest her at all.
She's better in where the heart is, I think that's the name of it. If you've seen it , you can tell better acting from the cheesy acting in her S.W. work. Ewan I thought did the best in ATOC, his character just developed to a higher level and I think George hit the mark with him as Young Obi-Wan. Just some of my thoughts I thought I'd share with you.

Jonna
07-05-2002, 10:42 AM
Originally posted by brandon


I thought that Hayden was good, not great like I thought Ewan was. Ewan I thought did the best in ATOC, his character just developed to a higher level and I think George hit the mark with him as Young Obi-Wan. Just some of my thoughts I thought I'd share with you.

Well, at least we agree on Ewan. Now if I could just get the Trainspotting soundtrack out of my head.

DarthBrandon
07-05-2002, 10:44 AM
LOLOLOL I hear you on that one Jonna. Thankx for the laugh.

DarthBatman
07-05-2002, 12:26 PM
I felt that his acting was pretty bad... But the one look on his face just before he slaughters the Tuskens makes up for it.

DarthBrandon
07-05-2002, 12:33 PM
What about the look on his face when he's carrying his mother to be buried. Priceless

Lobito
07-05-2002, 02:21 PM
Well, i liked the way he acted, but i hope we get an even better performance in EPIII. Thats Lobito's opinion.

jjreason
07-06-2002, 02:54 AM
If there is fault, maybe the director should be held accountable. I've never been directed by anyone, let alone George Lucas, but by all accounts I've read he's easy to please. I love ESB and ROTJ so much, part of me believes the reason why is the directing. Ive read Kirsner was pretty militant about what he wanted and certain changes he made - the movie is perfect. Lucas didn' t have spend all his time setting up the shots and could focus more on what he (obviously) cares so much more about - the effects. I believe he will direct epIII, and believe the acting we've seen in epI and epII will be quite similar to what we get in the final movie.
Funny thing is, I never really consider the people in SW movies to be acting. It somehow transcends moviedom in my life, and I really do still fall completely into the stories. Part of me wants to believe it's real, even at my advanced age.
Other than school and my parents, I can't imagine anything played a bigger role in my childhood daily life than Star Wars did. It was always around in one form or another from the time I was 5 until I turned 13. Of course that's an extremely impressionable time, and I feel truly lucky to have been born when I was.
Sorry, I thought I was posting at the Official Site there for a second!

MFH
07-09-2002, 12:48 AM
He was a million times better than Jake Loyd.

Wait...I take that back. He was a billion times better than Jake Loyd.

Actually, better make that a trillion gazillion times batter than Jake Loyd.

Even Jar Jar was better than Jake Loyd. Hayden may not be perfect, but he's a huge improvement.

DarthSetnom
07-09-2002, 01:32 AM
I saw him once around the time he was announced as The Chosen One, in this tv series playing a kid who has got to find some help for his father and himself... he didn't seem a bad actor to me.

And I really liked his performance in AOTC... I mean he showed the inner conflict despite the (as usual) weak dialog lines. See he really managed to portray an immature kid with lots of potential and a wrong attitude.

And yes Anakin IS a brat with great Force powers... this character has no idea of what he's capable of doing but he doesn't seem to realize he CAN'T be all powerful, and that there are some things he'll never do.

pthfnder89
07-09-2002, 11:36 AM
Originally posted by jjreason
If there is fault, maybe the director should be held accountable. I've never been directed by anyone, let alone George Lucas, but by all accounts I've read he's easy to please. I love ESB and ROTJ so much, part of me believes the reason why is the directing. Ive read Kirsner was pretty militant about what he wanted and certain changes he made - the movie is perfect. Lucas didn' t have spend all his time setting up the shots and could focus more on what he (obviously) cares so much more about - the effects. I believe he will direct epIII, and believe the acting we've seen in epI and epII will be quite similar to what we get in the final movie.
Well it's been said so many times by now that it's pretty much a rehash, but it's stilltrue. George just isn't an "actors director". He's much more comfortable with the technological side of movie making than the human side.

I believe he was actually quoted once as saying that he could simply create his movie without ever leaving the editing room he would be happy. And you're right jjreason, the type of acting we saw in Eps 1 & 2 is probably exactly the same thing we're going to see in Ep3. There's no reason to think it will change.

DarthBrandon
07-09-2002, 02:41 PM
All of the S.W. movies do not have top notch acting and I didn't expect to see this with the new series. Episode III I'm sorry to say will have the same acting style as the rest of them. ( Mediocre)

InsaneJediGirl
07-12-2002, 09:11 PM
Hayden did pretty good.I,hated his mood changes as well.I mean,he goes from getting angry with Padme then to making out with her.We wont even go into those freaky vibes he was givin' her..

However,I think apperance wise he pulled of Darth Vader very well.The best protrayal of this is probably on the back of the AOTC CD.Anakin looks very DarthVaderish:D :D

MFH
07-12-2002, 09:42 PM
Originally posted by brandon
All of the S.W. movies do not have top notch acting and I didn't expect to see this with the new series. Episode III I'm sorry to say will have the same acting style as the rest of them. ( Mediocre)

I completely agree. But, the acting in the prequels is far worse than the OT. The OT did have bad acting, though. Well, not ESB. I think the acting is fine in that one.

Pendo
07-13-2002, 04:58 PM
I think Hayden did great. Everyone had high expectancy for him, and I expected everyone to be dissapointed when they saw him, but I thought he did a good job at it and didn't let us down. He will probably be even better in Episode III.

PENDO!