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jjreason
02-17-2004, 12:37 AM
Okay, so Toy Fair came and went with a lovely (in my opinion) showing of stuff to expect toward the end of the year. Absent entirely were any traces of the "Saga" packaging style, hands on saber logo, and mention of any further figures in this line. We know the Original Trilogy Collection, including the 12 "Vintage Nouveau" figures are on the way.

Is there anything coming under the Saga banner that we don't know about?

This list of basics was borrowed from Dar's checklist thread, I added the Ultras I know about.

2004 Star Wars Saga Checklist:

[#01] Hoth Trooper: Hoth Evacuation
[#02] R-3PO: Hoth Evacuation
[#03] Luke Skywalker: Hoth Attack
Ultra Wampa
Ultra Rieeken

[#04] Luke Skywalker: Jabba's Palace
[#05] R2-D2: Jabba's Sail Barge
[#06] R1-G4: Tatooine Transaction
Ultra 3PO with Pod

[#07] Lando Calrissian: Jabba's Sail Barge
[#08] Rappertunie: Jabba's Palace
[#09] J'Quille: Jabba's Sail Barge
[#10] Tanus Spijek: Jabba's Sail Barge
[#11] Holographic Luke Skywalker: Jabba's Palace
Ultra Jabba

[#12] General Jan Dodonna: Battle of Yavin
[#13] Gold Leader - Dutch Vander: Battle of Yavin
[#14] TIE Fighter Pilot: Battle of Yavin
[#15] Captain Antillies: Tantive IV Invasion (Fan Choice #5)

PLUS: "The Star Destroyer Wave"

Ozzel
Bossk
Dengar
Ultra Vader w Meditation Chamber (is this confirmed?)

Red Leader's X-Wing w Red Leader figure

Then, from what I can tell, "The Dagobah Wave" will consist of figures in OTC packaging.

Are there any surprises left?

Beast
02-17-2004, 12:47 AM
You forgot the Endor Wave, with Ultra Ewok w/ Glider. The Vader w/ Chamber was just a rumor. But yeah, it does indeed look like Saga is coming to an end. Or going on hiatus, for OTC and Modern/Vintage.

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

jjreason
02-17-2004, 12:52 AM
Thanks, JJB. I remember seeing those pics of the new Ewok w Glider. I can't remember if there is a corresponding wave of basics coming with it or not, have basic Endor figures been confirmed?

EDITED: I'm stupid. I know Han in ATST driver dress is confirmed. Anyone else?

Beast
02-17-2004, 12:56 AM
[#16] Admiral Ozzel: Executor Assault
[#17] Dengar: Executor Meeting
[#18] Bossk: Executor Meeting

[XXX] Han Solo: AT-ST Driver Endor Strike
[XXX] General Crix Madine: Imperial Shuttle Capture
[XXX] General Lando Calrissian: Death Star Attack

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

-Durge-
02-17-2004, 01:24 AM
It is the end of the SAGA lime. Now to the OT line then the BIG one, the EPISODE III line!!!
Man I wish it was Toy Fair 2005!!!

jjreason
02-17-2004, 01:35 AM
... General Crix Madine: Imperial Shuttle Capture
[XXX] General Lando Calrissian: Death Star Attack....


Ah yes. I had heard about Crix, and the pics of General Lando (loose) from Toy Fair look fine. Thanks very much for the info (again), JJB.

Got to thinking..... the OTC TIE Pilot will be another repack, won't it? I had it on my lists as a needed figure, but getting the Saga one will remove the need. Not a whole lot left this year compared to the last 2. My wife will be thrilled.

Anakin Palpatine
02-17-2004, 05:27 AM
Good bye to the crappy gimmick saga line and say hello to the rebirth of the Leia line, The OTC line!!!

Go Hasbro it's your birthday, go Hasbro, reissue some older figures.

I am going to buy a new house, just so I have room to fit all my Tatooine Luke figures. I'm all for making figures better, but this is getting out of hand.

arctangent
02-17-2004, 07:20 AM
goodness me, hasbro knocking the saga line on the head? that gives them just the excuse they need to change the packaging of the figures because it must be, ooh, at least six months or so since they last changed it.

why can't they just leave it alone. we don't need all these different names and packaging every couple of months for the lines - they are all just star wars figures. why not package and market them as such.

B'Omarr Monkey
02-17-2004, 09:13 AM
I'm with you on just calling them Star Wars Figures and ditching all the name changes. I open all mine up, and if I have a question about one of them, I have to try and remember what line it came from so I know where to post, or where to look it up.

I agree, it should be one continuous line, but by changing the cards periodically, it now allows Hasbro to try and slip in repackaged figures as new.

Whatever they call the next lines, I hope that they continue to have the same exciting mix of never been done figures--especially of the I can't believe they're actually making that one variety--such as Rieeken, R1, etc. and the fantastic resculpts.

I don't want to see just a bunch of resculpts of the central characters of the OT between September and May of next year.

And please--let them do at least 1 Cantina wave before Ep.III comes out.

JangoFart
02-17-2004, 09:32 AM
I completely dig on the new card changes. As a carded collector, the line starts to get "stale" when we continually have the same card wave after wave. Minor changes are welcome (POTJ w/ Jedi Force File to POTJ w/o Jedi Force File), but major changes are great (Saga to OTC).

I have shelves on which each row represents a card change and I really dig the way that displays. It shows a nice progression (or regression, depending on your point of view) of the changes to the line and keeps the display nice and varied.

J

arctangent
02-17-2004, 10:03 AM
i didn't think of it like that mr fart. i guess its nice if you are a carded collector but i display all my figures loose. it just bugs me. i can't think of any other series of figures that changes their packaging so often. and B'Omarr Monkey is right, it is an excuse for them to try and flog us old figures repackaged and pretending they are new.

still, packaging changes or not, there is no need to keep on renaming the series. power of the force; power of the jedi; saga; as i said they are all just star wars figures. hasbro don't need to keep making up fancy names - we'll buy the damn things anyway.

Mandalorian Candidat
02-17-2004, 10:27 AM
still, packaging changes or not, there is no need to keep on renaming the series. power of the force; power of the jedi; saga; as i said they are all just star wars figures. hasbro don't need to keep making up fancy names - we'll buy the damn things anyway.

Yeah, we will keep buying them, but will the stores keep stocking them in quantities that are sufficient for us? By changing the packaging, adding new themed waves, and so on Hasbro is attempting to show retailers that they're not getting the same old thing, i.e., box after box with Lott Dod and Watto. While it may be aggrevating to some, if it helps new figures to get to the pegs I'm all for it.

arctangent
02-17-2004, 10:51 AM
Yeah, we will keep buying them, but will the stores keep stocking them in quantities that are sufficient for us? By changing the packaging, adding new themed waves, and so on Hasbro is attempting to show retailers that they're not getting the same old thing, i.e., box after box with Lott Dod and Watto. While it may be aggrevating to some, if it helps new figures to get to the pegs I'm all for it.

i know nothing about why retailers stock toys/collectibles. i always assumed they stocked them because they sell not because of the packaging but you could be right.

refreshing the packaging so that shops stock them is not an issue in the uk - toy shops and supermarkets don't stock star wars toys any more anyway. we have to go to specialist shops or buy via mail order or online.

Kidhuman
02-17-2004, 11:26 AM
Well, to see the saga line go isn't as bad as some might think. We will get the OTC cards and then maybe back to Saga for a few months and then right into EPIII.

I for one am with Jango Fart<giggle> on this. AS a carded collector, with all of them hanging on my waslls, it is a nice seperation in there. I can trace them from 95 til present. All of the card changes in the saga line i like as well. Even if it was just the gold line getting skinnier on the left hand side, or the change to the gold stripe. Sure it might be a way for them to reissue figures on different cards, but that doesnt mean we have to buy them. I wouldnt buy them if they were on the same card backs. I only need Ashla and Jempa once, unless they change the sculpt. The Saga line has been around for pretty much two years now. All total 2 and 1/2 half when allis said and done. Its about time for a line name change IMO.

sith_killer_99
02-17-2004, 12:25 PM
It is the end of the SAGA lime. Now to the OT line then the BIG one, the EPISODE III line!!!

What makes you think Hasbro will make an actual EPIII line? They didn't makes an EPII line. :mad:

Sure, we got a "Star Wars" line for ANH, we got an "Empire Strikes Back" line for ESB, we got a "Return of the Jedi" line for ROTJ, we even got an "Episode I" for TPM! But Hasbro, in all their infinite wisdumb decided to break from tradition and not do an officially labeled line for Episode II, so AOTC will forever live without it's own line!!!......

I'm still bitter.... :mad:

Anyway, as a carded collector, I agree, it is nice to have the card changes from time to time. It allows carded collectors to "complete" each collection, i.e. Orange carded, Green Carded, Freeze Frame, EPI, POTJ, EU, SOTE, etc.

bobafrett
02-17-2004, 03:47 PM
I don't mind the different carded changes. First off, it looks great, and is easier to sort by which collection it comes from. Second, I for one, get bored if I see the same old packaging. Every company changes the packaging for their products. I'm quite sure that Wrigley gum for instance, may have the same size gum package, however the label/packaging has changed several times since the first time it was introduced. In this fast paced ever changing world we live in, their is bound to be change in every little thing. Don't listen, as I am really tired.

plasticfetish
02-17-2004, 04:10 PM
... so AOTC will forever live without it's own line!!! I'm still bitter...
Yeah, I was thinking about that the other day... kind of odd. You'd think that Hasbro would have gone the opposite way, doing both "Saga" and "Episode 2" cards.

Silent Chazz
02-17-2004, 04:25 PM
Well, I for one hope Episode III figures are put on Saga Cards. I mean, POTFII lasted from 1995 to 2000, why cant Hasbro just change the card design again? I'd kill for a Black starry background (as aposed to the blue and dark blue ones as of late) and black-gloved hands wielding a "red" bladed lightsaber up at the top.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
02-17-2004, 04:41 PM
Anyway, about the end/continuation of the Saga line. There's still a few confirmed items that we haven't seen yet, like:
*TIE Fighter with Darth Vader - Toys R Us exclusive (it was on their site for a while, but I don't know anymore)
*Jedi Council Packs - Toys R Us exclusives (Ki-Adi, Yoda and Qui-Gon confirmed)
Plus there's waves for a few more months, and that rehash Skirmish at Carkoon pack.

Then there are some unconfirmed figures from rumor lists. There were some figures from the lists (like the Dagobah and Cloud City waves) that came to pass. Also on the lists was:
DEATH STAR WAVE
Death Star Trooper
Han Solo: Stormtrooper Disguise
Luke Skywalker: Stormtrooper Disguise
Sim Aloo (Vintage Dignitary)
CORUSCANT WAVE
Pablo Jill: Jedi Master
Senator Yarua: Wookie Senator
Sly Moore: Palpatine's Aide

But now, other than the Jedi packs and Hall of Fame repacks, TPM and AOTC won't have any figures at all this year. Which may be good - my TPM and AOTC shelves are jam-packed full of figures, and my OT ones aren't nearly as bad.

B'Omarr Monkey
02-17-2004, 05:49 PM
The one thing I like about the Saga cards is the distinguishing of the various figures by which movie they are from. They could still call it the SW Saga, but maybe giving us a different colored card, or background, or logo, or something from each movie. This way themed waves would be distinct from one another. The Dagobah wave could have a picture of the swamp for a backdrop, a Star Destroyer wave could have the bridge, or whole Star Destroyer in the background, the Cantina, obviously the bar in the background, etc.

But what it really comes down to, is that I don't really care so much about the packaging, so long as the toys that come on/in the packaging are worth buying. I'm just hoping for a continuance of the variety we got with the Saga line. Even with AOTC, we got a few OT figures thrown in pretty quickly. Hopefully Ep. III will do that as well.

Val Da Car
02-17-2004, 07:57 PM
Interesting story about Toy Manufacturers and Walmart

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0213Toy-Wars-ON.html

based on a AP story

First 2 paragraphs are below

NEW YORK - Led by Wal-Mart Stores Inc., discount retailers won a war with other toy stores this past holiday season. Now toymakers, a casualty in that bitter fight, have decided to make their own stand.

To protect themselves and toy retailers they see as key to their profits, some manufacturers plan to deliver fewer hot toys to Wal-Mart and to have more exclusive launches at chains like Toys "R" Us Inc. It's a rare instance of manufacturers challenging the biggest U.S. retail juggernaut and its low-price approach to business.

bobafrett
02-17-2004, 08:41 PM
Interesting story about Toy Manufacturers and Walmart

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0213Toy-Wars-ON.html

based on a AP story

First 2 paragraphs are below

NEW YORK - Led by Wal-Mart Stores Inc., discount retailers won a war with other toy stores this past holiday season. Now toymakers, a casualty in that bitter fight, have decided to make their own stand.

To protect themselves and toy retailers they see as key to their profits, some manufacturers plan to deliver fewer hot toys to Wal-Mart and to have more exclusive launches at chains like Toys "R" Us Inc. It's a rare instance of manufacturers challenging the biggest U.S. retail juggernaut and its low-price approach to business.


Yeah, I think they had something about that here Val Da Car:

http://www.sirstevesguide.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23079

;)

Val Da Car
02-17-2004, 10:15 PM
DOH!

well now I know

InsaneJediGirl
02-18-2004, 03:04 PM
End of Saga is fine for me.That sickly blue packaging didnt work.What happened to the Vader head in the corner?Always a nice hallmark,even for Prequel at least throw in a Clonetrooper helmet or something.

El Chuxter
02-18-2004, 04:48 PM
DOH!

well now I know

Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Okay, I'll say it.

"And knowing is half the battle!"

Who's with me in hoping after the OTC and Neo-Vintage, we get nothing but EU until Episode III?

[dodges tomatoes thrown at head]

Kidhuman
02-18-2004, 04:50 PM
I wouldn't mind some EU or characters that havent been done yet. But if they are onna go EU, at least make em characters from the comics novels and such.

Silent Chazz
02-18-2004, 05:58 PM
I'm DEFINATELY for EU stuff. I made a thread in another section on this Forum about a wishlist of EU stuff. I would LOVE to see new SOTE figures as well as resculpts (Snoova Chewie is such a stupid punk fig). Plus, Hasbro would make a LOT of money if they'd release NJO figures. I really want a Nom Anor figure and a Removable Helmet Boba Fett (dont worry, the book has been out long enough to prevent spoilers and such) with 2 blasters and the Mandalorians.

Old Fossil
02-19-2004, 09:24 AM
What makes you think Hasbro will make an actual EPIII line? They didn't makes an EPII line. :mad:

Sure, we got a "Star Wars" line for ANH, we got an "Empire Strikes Back" line for ESB, we got a "Return of the Jedi" line for ROTJ, we even got an "Episode I" for TPM! But Hasbro, in all their infinite wisdumb decided to break from tradition and not do an officially labeled line for Episode II, so AOTC will forever live without it's own line!!!......

I'm still bitter.... :mad:

Anyway, as a carded collector, I agree, it is nice to have the card changes from time to time. It allows carded collectors to "complete" each collection, i.e. Orange carded, Green Carded, Freeze Frame, EPI, POTJ, EU, SOTE, etc.

I wonder: could it have been a way for Hasbro to get OT characters out to us 'older' collectors during a movie year? Seems like retailers, if given the choice in 2002, would prefer to order cases designated "ATTACK OF THE CLONES" vs. cases of figures from, say, Ep.1 and the OT. They were not given that option, and thus had to buy cases of figures with BOTH Ep.2 and 'other' figures (though I know initial shipments were exclusively Ep.2 characters), probably not realizing what they were getting. How else could we have gotten characters like Djas Puhr and Teemto Pagalies and Ephant Mon during a movie year?

If I recall correctly, most of the SW figures I saw at retail in 1999-2000 were the red-carded Phantom Menace figures. Stores didn't order much in the way of the POTF2 line, relatively speaking. So naturally we later got huge bargain closeouts of the CTC Vader/Stormtrooper wave, and Motti, CTC Leia, and the R2 w/holo Leia are still rarities.

sith_killer_99
02-20-2004, 11:20 AM
Actually, I started collecting in 1999 and found plenty of POTF2 (Green Carded as well as Freeze Frame, SOTE, Flashback and Expanded Universe). In fact I can't remember seeing soooooo many different SW lines at retail at the the same time.

Also, as I recall, the POTF2 CommTech figures got clearanced because Hasbro was killing the CT line, due to poor EP1 sales. Which is also why we never got the CT2 line. That and the fact that Hasbro over produced several of the figures (CommTech Han anyone?).

Hasbro could have easily done a seperate EPII line for 6 months and then switched over. That would have been 50 or so figures (the same number we got for EP1). They basicly did this anyway.

As for the stores, who cares, Hasbro dictates what they will sell to stores. Do you think these same store want to re-sell old figures that warmed pegs 4-5 years ago...no, but they are doing it anyway, because that's what Hasbro is putting out. Stores really don't care about the labels, they just want product that sells.

jjreason
02-22-2004, 08:49 AM
I think EpII warranted it's own line of carded figures. 2003 could have been the year to go to the "Saga" card, and they definitely could have held those OT figures another year, or at least until the end of the Saga run. I didn't really need that Qui Gon anyway - let alone a few months after episode II came out. That being said, there were quite a few great figures made from the first 4 movies during that time (Bespin Luke and Darth being my favorites from the OT, Teemto and Lott Dodd both excellent from TPM).

Sentinel18725
02-22-2004, 09:07 PM
The only thing that is really getting me is that the Saga packing is very space consuming. On the old cards, I use to be able to get 50 to 70 into a foot locker. Now, it's maybe 30......slim it down guys!

amidalak
02-27-2004, 11:28 AM
looks like it is official, hasbro is ending the blue saga cards and going to the black and silver card this fall. they posted a q&a in republic news on their website: http://www.hasbro.com/starwars/pl/page.headlines/id.1010/dn/default.cfm

Kidhuman
02-27-2004, 11:45 AM
Oh well, I wonder what hey will use then for the first couple of months in 05 before the EpIII line is out next april.