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Sidiously Darth
02-29-2004, 10:38 PM
I can see best picture and possibly best director but best Art Direction & Set Decoration. That would be like giving it to Ep. II. It just doesn't float. Too much CGI and too many green screens. Especially when its up against movies with little to no cgi or green screens. :confused:

I don't know if this is a "here's your awards, thank goodness these movies are over" or a reward for a body of work. I'm sorry that doesn't work either. They have special Oscars for bodies of work.

It's a shame when there are much more deserving movies out there that are getting the shaft for no good reason. Look my paint box picture beat your hours and hours of sweat and hard work on an actual set. :(

Jedi_Master_Guyute
02-29-2004, 10:41 PM
Maybe it's winning because it deserves it? I dunno; i maybe biased as i'm a LOTR junkie, but i'm giddy beyond all belief for all the recognition it's getting tonight. Go LOTR!! :D

[DSS]Pedr0
02-29-2004, 10:57 PM
I can see best picture and possibly best director but best Art Direction & Set Decoration. That would be like giving it to Ep. II. It just doesn't float. Too much CGI and too many green screens. Especially when its up against movies with little to no cgi or green screens. :confused:

I don't know if this is a "here's your awards, thank goodness these movies are over" or a reward for a body of work. I'm sorry that doesn't work either. They have special Oscars for bodies of work.

It's a shame when there are much more deserving movies out there that are getting the shaft for no good reason. Look my paint box picture beat your hours and hours of sweat and hard work on an actual set. :(
They used a TON of actual settings and BUILT alot more sets to compliment the CGI sets made. Use your common sense.

Kidhuman
03-01-2004, 12:04 AM
It deserved it. NO question in my mind

James Boba Fettfield
03-01-2004, 12:11 AM
Don't look too much into it, Sidiously. The Academy also gave it up for Titanic a few years ago, know what I mean?

Beast
03-01-2004, 12:21 AM
Yeah. And seriously, did you see the list of stuff it was up against? It was almost a guarenteed win. Especially when the academy had stiffed it in 2003 and 2002. So they're just finally giving props. Frankly I see these 11 wins being for the whole series. Since it's really one long movie, chopped into parts. And like JBFF said....Titanic won 11 also, and it sucked arse. :)

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

Jedi_Master_Guyute
03-01-2004, 12:24 AM
Ah, Lord of the Rings deserved each and every one of those oscars, mr. binksy. It has proved itself worthy of every possible award and has shown its greatness above even the SW Saga in my opinion.

11/11!!! WOOOHOOO!!! (blares the score for ROTK and dances around room)

Beast
03-01-2004, 12:32 AM
Yeah, it did deserve them. Because 2003 was a crappy year for movies. And there was no competition for the films. So of course it won. The Academy normally stiffs fantasy, horror, and sci-fir movies. So these wins are only really an apology for stiffings on Fellowship and The Two Towers. Especially since Return of the King was the worst film of the three. Winning Oscars means squat, awful movies win Oscars. Titanic being the King of Crap. :)

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

Jedi_Master_Guyute
03-01-2004, 12:41 AM
I'm going to say this last thing, Mr. Binks and then leave it alone, at least for me: Return of the King and the LOTR films have proved themselves to be worthy pieces of cinema. Whether you like to admit it or not, the LOTR movies have had FAR more success both critically, financially and with movie goers than the SW films. You can complain and moan about "Titanic" and all that jazz, but frankly, i'm not going to listen because i know that ROTK deserved each and ever oscar up there. I am delighted as a LOTR and SW junkie that LOTR was recognized as it earned all its awards. I know it maybe hard for some folks to accept that their beloved SW saga is fading a bit when it comes to popularity and at times, quality, but i'm not going to crack on anybody for their denial; its' their choice. CONGRATS TO THE LOTR CAST AND CREW!!! woohoo!!! :D

Plus, if the oscars are "crap" in your opinion, why are you so critical of ROTK winning them? let it go if you're so anti-oscar. :)

Beast
03-01-2004, 01:03 AM
I never said I was critical. I never said I wasn't happy that it won. All I said is that the Academy only recognized him, and the films, because of all the negative reactions they received in 2003 and 2002 when other movies beat it out. The movies are good, but Fellowship is still the best of the three. The other two are just glorified battle movies with little to no story. If it wasn't for a decent build up in Fellowship, you wouldn't care about anyone in the other two films. :)

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

2-1B
03-01-2004, 01:27 AM
LOTR should be stripped of all PJ-related Oscars on account of him showing up in such a slobbish state. Button up that shirt collar buddy; you're heading on stage to accept 3 gold statues. :rolleyes:

The Original Song category was a joke because A Mighty Wind should have had all 5 nominations.

Congrats and all that good stuff to LOTR TROTK (because it was very good :) ) but there's no way it was better than Mystic River.

Beast
03-01-2004, 01:32 AM
I'm suprised he showed up in a suit at all. It's Peter Jackson, he's like Georgie. He likes to be comfortable. George has his flannel shirts. And Peter has his shorts and bare feet. He's just one of those whacky New Zealanders. :)

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

QLD
03-01-2004, 02:39 AM
I personally think LOTR deserved all of the Oscars it received. The only shame to me is that Sean Astin wasn't nominated for Best Supporting Actor.

Personally, I thought Mystic River was an average movie. It felt like I was watching a Lifetime original, or a 2-hour episode of Law and Order. I like Robbins, and it's nice to see him get an Oscar, but Penn wasn't deerving over Murray or Depp.

plasticfetish
03-01-2004, 04:24 AM
Button up that shirt collar buddy; you're heading on stage to accept 3 gold statues.
Who are you... Mr. Blackwell?

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I enjoyed this third film the most out of the three. It, and the entire trilogy, are simply so much more epic than anything else up for nomination. All of the other films are either good or great in their own way, but LOTR has managed to capture something that hasn't been seen in Hollywood for a long time. It's taken that classic, long dead, Hollywood "blockbuster" idea and given it new life. The films are immensely fun to watch and they've made a ton of money. That's why they nailed so many Oscars.

And... if you don't think that LOTR deserved best Art direction, then you have no idea what an Art Director does.

I'm looking forward to seeing what Jackson does with Kong now. Especially after hearing what he said about it in a post-Oscar interview.

El Chuxter
03-01-2004, 11:44 AM
It deserved most of them, but not these:

BEST MAKEUP: X2 (not nominated)
BEST SONG: "A Kiss at the End of the Rainbow"
BEST VISUAL EFFECTS: Hulk (not nominated) or Pirates

However, it also deserved the a Best Supporting Actor for Sean Astin. I bet he ran into Alan Cumming afterwards and they both said to each other, "Man, you were robbed!"

dr_evazan22
03-01-2004, 10:06 PM
I'm glad it won all those Oscar's also. The only one that I might question was the song. I liked the Rainbow song and the Baskervilles song also.

I just saw Cold Mountain on Sat (loved it!), and don't remember hearing one of the 2 nominated songs. I thought the more blue-grass - y songs were SOOO much better. It reminded me of the 'O Brother Where Art Thou' soundtrack.

Mandalorian Candidat
03-01-2004, 10:31 PM
Wow, a lot of heat in here.

It's all due to rewarding a body of work. Rarely do actors and directors nowadays get their Oscar specifically due to a single flick (OK, maybe Charlize Theron is an exception). You can argue that PJ deserved a director's nod for LOTR or TTT over ROTK, but maybe who ever won those years actually did a better job in the eyes of the Director's Guild (that categories nominating/voting body). Now since the whole trilogy was generally a critical hit the Academy felt like rewarding him and WETA and the rest of NZ. I find it curious though that they if they liked the movies that much, then why was Ian McK the only actor (I believe) to get nominated out of the whole bunch for the 3 movies?

If you don't think this makes sense, then how do you justify Denzel Washington getting an Oscar for Training Day and not for any of the other nominated roles he had, like the one when he was a boxer?

Darth Kirk
03-01-2004, 11:49 PM
I do not believe that the 11 awards that 'Lord' won, takes anything away from the Star Wars Sixtology... If we were to sit back and truly analyze the importance of each film, we cannot deny the importance of how it all got started.. Back in 1974-76 a visionary dude in the middle of the desert shot a film that redefined cinema.. And since has aided in the development of CGI and sound in film... WETA was just a figment of a Kiwi’s imagination, while ILM helped to recreate many visual imaginary thoughts.. Lest not forget, when you watch all of the 'Lord' films, you were aided by the technology that Lucas fostered in the movie industry.. Oh and THX does allow most of us to fully 'take in' ANY film we watch in the theatre and home.. I only can hope that when Episode 3 is released, that Lucas will be able to create a film we all can believe in, and he may finally get all the accolades he is due.

Mandalorian Candidat
03-02-2004, 02:08 PM
I only can hope that when Episode 3 is released, that Lucas will be able to create a film we all can believe in, and he may finally get all the accolades he is due.

I guarantee it'll never happen.

1) G.Lu is admittedly anti-Hollywood and anti-studio, thus the Academy isn't going to pay attention to anything put out by Lucasfilm
2) SW already has received a best picture nomination, as well as a ton of other nominations.
3) While many people have said that John Williams' scores are great, they are to some degree rehashes of previous movies' music. The last half of EP2 is almost 100% pulled from the EP1 score. It's no longer considered original so he's not going to be nominated for EP3.
4)This year LOTR won. Being a fantasy film, the Academy has basically said that they will consider nontraditional genres for nomination. Now that they've proved themselves to critics they're not going to do it again anytime soon unless something gets released that blows the pants off the general public.
5) The technology used to make the movies is to some degree old. What new stuff is he going to introduce? He doesn't have much time to get all the movies theaters to buy digital projectors. The visual effects people will look to other flicks to nominate since SW has been given their due time and time again.

While fans may end up enjoying EP3 immensely and it may turn out to be the best of the 6, other movie makers and the Academy will just yawn and think to themselves that they're glad the whole thing's over.