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Darth Metalmute
07-02-2010, 07:29 AM
I saw all those figures yesterday except Thrust, which of coarse is the one I wanted. WFC Bumblebee looked pretty cool, but I passed. I came real close to pulling the trigger on Legends Ravage. But decided against it at the last minute. I would have if I had found Thrust.

El Chuxter
07-02-2010, 10:40 AM
Why, oh why was my TRU the one with no signs at all about such a sale on Transformers?

Darth Metalmute
07-02-2010, 10:51 AM
Why, oh why was my TRU the one with no signs at all about such a sale on Transformers?

Mine didn't have it posted on the isle. I didn't see the sale sign until I was passing a bargin bin on my way out.

JediTricks
07-03-2010, 04:15 AM
Why, oh why was my TRU the one with no signs at all about such a sale on Transformers?They hate you. :p

Spotted the other Hunt for Decepticons deluxes today, bought Ironhide and used the BOGO to pick up another Power Core Combiners 2 pack (giving it another chance), forced into Searchlight. Ironhide and Searchlight are so bad, for a few moments I felt like closing my Transformers site and selling off my TF collection because it seemed like things were never going to get any better with the existing TF design team. But more on that lower down.


Oh, I forgot, on PCC Huffer, the core mode head actually scales nicely to the regular bot mode and fits the back-set shoulders better too. Too bad it's so weird.


Thrust is good, I didn't realize this wasn't the Games of Deception version but a Japanese retool, I like this better since it's got movable VTOL thrusters (oddly packaged on the tail halves here) and the original null ray cannons, and the chrome cockpit looks good. The tails have the same odd slight downward slope of the previous Starscream molds. The removable VTOL engines have spinning fans inside, though they don't move all that great, it's cool that they tried. I wish they had gotten the engines to sit closer against the wings, but that's not a big deal, and the shape of the wings and the engines and the paint all hearken back to the G1 character (both toy and show). Like Ramjet, the robot face is totally visible on the underside of the fuselage. Watch out for the paint as best you can, I saw another with the white parts far less evenly applied, and mine has a white splotch on the inside of 1 of the tails.

Bot mode is good, the colors work pretty well in both modes, not as loud as the Japanese version, although this one's white face doesn't show the yellow eyes all that well. It's mainly the same Starscream mold variant, the chromed cockpit doesn't come through as cleanly because it's a screw section showing, so it's blurry. The wings look good, but they have to be flipped around up high instead of left low like the G1 figure. Just like the others of this mold, the null-ray cannons ram into the wings when left on the arms. The crotch on mine separates a little on its own, I don't remember this on previous versions but I wouldn't be surprised to find it there.

All in all, a decent figure, I may like it more than Ramjet and Starscream, but probably not as much as Skywarp.


PCC Searchlight with Backwind is a bad joke, though not the same type of bad comedy as Starscream's coronation. Alt mode is a cargo helicopter, the kind with 2 main rotors front and rear, rather than a main and a tail rotor. It's white, has plenty of kibble and some gaps around the back, and its main interesting feature is 1 rotor is bigger and has 3 blades while the other is smaller and has 4.

Transformation is interesting, but considering how poor the end result is, ultimately unsatisfying.

Bot mode is modestly terrible. A mishmash of kibble and wings and parts that don't seem to go anywhere. The main standouts are the kibble bustle and the shoulders that are nowhere near the body and don't lock down anywhere. The head is also doofy looking thanks to a paint job that stops above the mouth. His forearms look kinda good, but then they are the storage for the rotors so they're rendered moot.

Core mode is laughably bad, all the elegance that worked on Huffer is lost here, there's junk everywhere and doesn't lock down and is quite confused.

Backwind is garbage, plain and simple. The clear green plastic looks bad, even with the black structure within and silver face. He's got very simple sculpting and is in no way interesting. He transforms simply by rearranging his very long arms and folding his legs around unconvincingly in various ways, all of which are total crap. Connecting him to Searchlight diminishes the larger bot in all 3 ways, from "awful gun" to "awful chopper nose lights and hook and gun thing" to "awful chest armor".

Avoid like the plague this is.


HFD Deluxe Ironhide is a lesson in some big failures that plague the modern Transformers design team. Alt mode is ok, covered in seams but gets away with it by being black. There are color mismatches though in the black, and the silvery blue plastic showing in the undercarriage is a distraction. Mostly though, it's a truck and it's good enough, albeit small (the GMC Topkick is a very big truck, much larger than any standard pickup). It doesn't scale well with dlx Ratchet.

Transformation is so annoying, it starts with a rough ripping apart of a big segment from another with no nuance whatsoever, and it's difficult to tell which bits stay and which go. From there, it's a lot of moving panels, and then when you get to the upper body it gets convoluted and hard to understand because it's so bad that it seems like it has to be wrong. The instructions worsen this as they are oft to do.

Bot mode is small and covered in panel kibble. He almost gets away with the panels really, movie-verse is like that, but the arm kibble can't quite cross that line. The back actually has less kibble than the movie design, and it's put together pretty well, although also hiding sculpted detailing. The figure is stocky and short, has feet just too big to work in its favor. The chest isn't as bad as the Voyager springiness, but also doesn't lock down very well and is awkward and the head sits too low and isn't locked down and the shoulders start further back and seem a bit disconnected from the rest of the torso. Sorry for the rant, but the chest is hard to like and really bothered me the first time I transformed him.

And then there's the real dealbreaker for me, the empty space where there should be a stomach, so he's like a hollowed out robot held together by a spine. I just found out if you push REAL hard, this closes in some, but the crappy official pics and vague instructions don't make it clear, and it seems like it doesn't want to go, and from the side it's still bad, but not as bad as my first impression.

The head is the movie character but has dead black eyes thanks to another crappy light pipe, this time they used too dark of translucent blue plastic, it works if you cram a flashlight on him though. The colors are black, silver, and then a lot of blue-silver-gray plastic that, while somewhat accurate, looks not so great and integrates poorly, and worse, is on areas with bad sculpted detailing so it highlights that. The overall look feels like a scout-class level of sculpting for a movie character, which isn't a good idea usually, one of the reasons I didn't like dlx Ratchet either, now that I think about it. Annoyingly, the forearm gun has better sculpting, as do the forearm kibble bits although their sculpting doesn't match the character very well.

For articulation, standard for a dlx I guess, but somewhat annoying. The shoulders have lots of joints, 1 too many thanks to transformation really, and this often dislodges the chest panels: hello springy chest, welcome back! The elbows and knees are set WAAAAAY too high, making them effectively worthless. The feet hinge and tilt sideways quite a bit, but don't rotate. The shoulders are set back far enough that the arms barely get ahead of the chest at all.

The right arm has the movie character's right arm weapon, toned down and surrounded by kibble, but obviously the same unit, and it looks good. The left arm now has a rectangle with 2 red lights on the front, this is the removable turret with legs, and it's pretty boring but at least it's something.

The turret thing is very bland, it's got a fold-out tripod of legs and stows inside the truck mode once you fold open the right arm's gun. On its own, it's too boring to exist, but as a remote weapon or sensor package, it's good enough to be an accessory I guess.

All in all, this is a pretty annoying figure in many ways, but I suspect it'll find an audience that will dig it, especially if they liked Dlx Ratchet (which I didn't). It corrects the chest getting in the way of the head problem of the Voyager, but not so much on the chest panel stability problem nor the too-dark-to-lightpipe problem, and brings a host of new issues to the party without really adding something substantial.

Chaddymac
07-03-2010, 10:12 AM
JT - re: Thrust. You don't have to transform his wings like Starscream. If you leave them down, you can pull the VTOL thrusters off and move them to the front. You end up with a look that is strikingly similar to the G1 version.

El Chuxter
07-03-2010, 11:42 AM
Ah, so Thrust is out, too. Didn't see him.

Picked up Prime and Bumblebee. Bumblebee is wonky, and doesn't fully go into car mode. Prime isn't as nice in robot mode, but looks good as a truck. Right now, Bumblebee is riding Prime. :D

Anyone here read Exodus? Not bad, but it doesn't fit 100% with any previous continuity, including the War for Cybertron game, from what I understand. Looks like The Fallen was given a new name, which I won't spoil.

Chaddymac
07-03-2010, 12:35 PM
Ah, so Thrust is out, too. Didn't see him.

Picked up Prime and Bumblebee. Bumblebee is wonky, and doesn't fully go into car mode. Prime isn't as nice in robot mode, but looks good as a truck. Right now, Bumblebee is riding Prime. :D

Anyone here read Exodus? Not bad, but it doesn't fit 100% with any previous continuity, including the War for Cybertron game, from what I understand. Looks like The Fallen was given a new name, which I won't spoil.
Thrust is out, but there's a more common case shipping to TRU with just Bumblebee and Prime in it, perhaps to coincide with the WFC game release. Pretty smart, actually. I got my Thrust and Drift from TRU.com

El Chuxter
07-03-2010, 01:13 PM
Ah, and Drift, too. Character = lame. Design = awesome.

Chaddymac
07-03-2010, 01:23 PM
Ah, and Drift, too. Character = lame. Design = awesome.
And Drift is the best deluxe figure in YEARS. He's outstandingly cool.

JediTricks
07-03-2010, 02:45 PM
JT - re: Thrust. You don't have to transform his wings like Starscream. If you leave them down, you can pull the VTOL thrusters off and move them to the front. You end up with a look that is strikingly similar to the G1 version.You can't deploy his shoulders that way, I tried. There's a sculpted stop to allow the hinge to fold the opposite way to accommodate this.



Picked up Prime and Bumblebee. Bumblebee is wonky, and doesn't fully go into car mode. Prime isn't as nice in robot mode, but looks good as a truck. Right now, Bumblebee is riding Prime. :DOk, yikes.

Bumblebee will go into car mode fully, you may have gotten hung up with the robot hands stopping the works, I had that. They have to be rotated in, then the forearms peg into the undersides of the shoulders, that's where I got hung up in my alignment the first time.


You guys talking about Drift bums me out, he's the one I can't find.


Ironhide still has a lot of problems, but there's something fascinating about a bad figure like this, one that almost gets things right, which I cannot stop playing with. Also, he has a tiny silver hollow Autobot logo on his windshield, I'm surprised they didn't have one in the back window of a Decepticon logo with Bumblebee peeing on it.


In terms of scale to Dlx Ratchet, that figure scales somewhere around voyager Ironhide, though not quite.

El Chuxter
07-03-2010, 02:55 PM
Actually, it was the windshield thing. It just doesn't want to actually meet with the hood. I really wish they put some text in the instructions. I know I've said it before, but it could clear up some of the more ambiguous panels.

The riding thing was my daughter's idea. "Hey, he can ride his friend!" What's really cool, though, is that she identified them as Optimus Prime and Bumblebee without me mentioning it. And she can't identify the movie pretenders who use the same name, so she knows the "real" deal.

JediTricks
07-03-2010, 04:06 PM
There is no windshield or hood really, they flow together, so I don't really know which part you mean. The panel with Bumblebee's head underneath, or the higher up panel behind that? If the latter, that panel is the one that won't clip down without the hands in the right orientation and the shoulders locked into the forearms.

They used to have textual instructions, but cut them for multilingual issues and because they sometimes got rather bizarre in description. They should bring that back though.

That's funny that she wanted BB to ride OP's alt mode, and recognized both. That's awesome she knows real BB and OP from Pretenders. :p

Chaddymac
07-03-2010, 04:29 PM
You can't deploy his shoulders that way, I tried. There's a sculpted stop to allow the hinge to fold the opposite way to accommodate this.

You're missing something, then. I've go him transformed like that right now. If I knew how to attach a picture, I would.

figrin bran
07-03-2010, 09:25 PM
I found Thrust at the local TRU this morning, didn't want Battle Blade BB or Ravage or Jetblade so I went with HFD Ironhide.

Obviously I had not read JT's review.

JediTricks
07-04-2010, 02:39 PM
You're missing something, then. I've go him transformed like that right now. If I knew how to attach a picture, I would.Ok, I see what you mean. I transformed him that way, and it does technically work, but it is forcing a joint that's not supposed to move in that direction to do so, and it's a very small joint (the one that holds the wing to the hinge), so it's moving in the realm of joint tolerances. I don't want to find out the hard way that the play in that joint snaps off the wing, plus there's no paint on that side, so I'm not going to risk it. But you are right.


I found Thrust at the local TRU this morning, didn't want Battle Blade BB or Ravage or Jetblade so I went with HFD Ironhide.

Obviously I had not read JT's review.You paid $6 for Ironhide, he sucks but $6 is better than finding out at full price. ;)

JediTricks
07-04-2010, 03:35 PM
Holy crap, I just transformed Dlx Ratchet to go with Dlx Ironhide, and wow is this a bad combination. Ironhide, who fares much better than that Ratchet turdburglar, is a full head SHORTER than Ratchet. In the movie-verse, Ratchet is at least 2 heads shorter than Ironhide. (As a side, I got out m1 voyager Ironhide, he scales quite well to dlx Ratchet in bot mode. Too bad voy Ironhide still sucks after 3 years.) Yet Dlx Ironhide is much more together and has better color and sculpting than dlx Ratchet, in every mode and in every way really.

Ratchet's myriad of annoying problems actually makes me like dlx Ironhide better in some ways, but he's still got enough issues to make me not recommend him. That said, I like Ironhide more today than I did when I got him, not only are his issues more interesting to ponder, but his transformation is a little fun now that I'm off-instructions, and he seems to have presence somehow. Dlx Ratchet never caught my attention that way, I can tell you plainly.

Tycho, as to scale against dlx Ironhide, scouts wouldn't work for the characters you've been talking about, they'd be far too big against him. Legends Bumblebee and Jazz might scale to him well, but you'd need a scout Ratchet which ain't gonna happen, and Voyager Prime is a bit too large to scale against dlx Ironhide.

figrin bran
07-04-2010, 05:03 PM
Holy crap, I just transformed Dlx Ratchet to go with Dlx Ironhide, and wow is this a bad combination. Ironhide, who fares much better than that Ratchet turdburglar, is a full head SHORTER than Ratchet. In the movie-verse, Ratchet is at least 2 heads shorter than Ironhide. (As a side, I got out m1 voyager Ironhide, he scales quite well to dlx Ratchet in bot mode. Too bad voy Ironhide still sucks after 3 years.) Yet Dlx Ironhide is much more together and has better color and sculpting than dlx Ratchet, in every mode and in every way really.

Ratchet's myriad of annoying problems actually makes me like dlx Ironhide better in some ways, but he's still got enough issues to make me not recommend him. That said, I like Ironhide more today than I did when I got him, not only are his issues more interesting to ponder, but his transformation is a little fun now that I'm off-instructions, and he seems to have presence somehow. Dlx Ratchet never caught my attention that way, I can tell you plainly.

Tycho, as to scale against dlx Ironhide, scouts wouldn't work for the characters you've been talking about, they'd be far too big against him. Legends Bumblebee and Jazz might scale to him well, but you'd need a scout Ratchet which ain't gonna happen, and Voyager Prime is a bit too large to scale against dlx Ironhide.

You know, I had picked up that Dlx. Ratchet on a number of occasions, esp during the recent price drops but always got a bad feeling about it and put it back.

JediTricks
07-05-2010, 04:12 PM
You know, I had picked up that Dlx. Ratchet on a number of occasions, esp during the recent price drops but always got a bad feeling about it and put it back.
Good call. I can't believe I've been burned twice on Ratchet. The voyager was just bland and slightly annoying, the deluxe seemed better but turned out to be a massive insult, a crappy figure, and a terrible transformer. It's like a licensed knock-off almost. And for no reason, they gave him really tall legs to further mess things up. And the interaction with movie Lockdown is crap, the gun doesn't fit well on Lockdown and Lockdown's removable engine doesn't fit on Ratchet.

figrin bran
07-05-2010, 09:49 PM
JT, it's a good thing I never liked Bayformer Ratchet.

We've not really talked much about the Botcon coverage yet but there are some promising deluxes coming like Tomahawk the Apache chopper. Blurr is coming as well but I think I like the animated Blurr much better.

Chaddymac
07-05-2010, 10:40 PM
JT, it's a good thing I never liked Bayformer Ratchet.

We've not really talked much about the Botcon coverage yet but there are some promising deluxes coming like Tomahawk the Apache chopper. Blurr is coming as well but I think I like the animated Blurr much better.
I'm looking forward to the Transtech Cheetor remold of Animated Blurr!

JediTricks
07-07-2010, 03:17 AM
Found Drift at TRU Los Feliz today along with Seaspray and Starscream, but my wallet couldn't handle more than Drift.

Drift's alt mode is a bit of an elongated Japanese-style sports car, no real direct car that I can tell though, but the lines remind me of a few of the late '90s cars, maybe a Nissan Skyline with a little more swoop. It's a little off to me, either not wide enough or too long, it's ok but doesn't blow my mind. The hood seams are too obvious, and on mine they gap enough to distract. The white plastic color doesn't work without a wash too well, very plain even with the red rising sun-inspired paint job (which disappears pretty early). The blue front and side windows being transparent kinda works, kinda shows off a piece of interior that changes the whole look, makes it seem like a big B-pillar, I think they should have gone frosted or even opaque like the painted rear window. The long sword clips to the underside of the car very close to the ground.

Transformation is fairly standard fare really. I do like the side windows folding down for once rather than remaining kibble, that usually drives me nuts and it's SO common. There is a clip at the front and another at the back that are way too tight though, that is a stand out. Also, the feet just kinda "stop", they don't feel transformed so much as kibble put to use and sculpted to look like boots. Depending on your orientation of the large sword, it is possible to transform Drift without removing it.

Bot mode is nice and tall, but at first blush seems overly simple. The sculpted detail is a tad broad after a few years of very fine detailing, and the details he does have are totally lost in the white plastic. I think a paint wash would really bring this figure to life, but it's also missing a bunch of paint apps like the red on the chest, the yellow on the "cheeks" (they put gold instead of yellow on the crest center), a few other things like that, just a sense of "more" that's badly missing here. And if that weren't bad enough, while he's got the general idea of the character down, he's a tad scrawny-looking, especially around the torso, and then he has fatty boots that look like too much car kibble. His chest could have been salvaged by making the windshield opaque, but clear it's not doing its job of shaping the guy. His eyes lightpipe light blue, but it's a top lightpipe that works but creates a dark center in each eye, realistic to people yes, but looks a little odd here, and the color gets lost in the silver face a little. In fact, all the black and silver colors in bot mode should be something else, mostly dark gray I'd say. So all that said, this figure is pretty good. Why? Because it can pose like a mofo, and pull off 2-handed sword wielding, and somehow it just has presence once you get to playing around with it. Drift comes with 2 short swords stowed in the door-kibble hip armor (the right sword on mine falls out so easily though), and the long sword is on a clip on the back which is hinged even though it didn't need to be. Poochy the Marysuebot here is nothing without standing around posing and holding his swords, after all. Articulation is good, it's not even great really, no waist, limited knee range too, but what's there works very well for Drift's poses, and my favorite is the hinged head designed to look up at a 30 degree angle - that is something all figures, TF or not, should be able to do.

Bottom line, Drift is an ok Transformer in general, not mindblowing in any one way, but by giving this figure enough mobility to have attitude, somehow it becomes a little more than the sum of its parts. Perhaps most frustrating then is what all this figure could be with better deco choices, but all in all it's a decent purchase.




JT, it's a good thing I never liked Bayformer Ratchet. Yeah, he is a loser in every scale they put him in.


We've not really talked much about the Botcon coverage yet but there are some promising deluxes coming like Tomahawk the Apache chopper. Blurr is coming as well but I think I like the animated Blurr much better.I'll be honest, I've been so busy I've barely skimmed the Botcon coverage. Not even Steve's coverage yet:
http://photos.actionfigs.com/g5511-botcon-2010.html

I did dig a lot of the new stuff they showed, but it felt like "why wait so long to put it out???" after the last few months. Generations Blurr being Drift is meh to me.



I'm looking forward to the Transtech Cheetor remold of Animated Blurr!Wait, what???

Chaddymac
07-07-2010, 01:00 PM
Wait, what???
Yeah - Collector's club exclusive. Very cool. Can't remember if it's the membership freebie or an exclusive the store will offer.

Also, I completely disagree with your Drift review. Everything you say about him is true, but nit-picky. I would call him one of the best deluxe figures in the last couple of years (and not just because of he has swords, which seems to be a common theme among my "best figures" of the last couple years). I think that a lot of the simplistic things about him are what make him elegantly brilliant. The transformation isn't overly complex, but it's completely satisfying. And I love the way the back of his car transforms into the legs - they don't just fold out or slide out, it's like the pieces fold together and it creates a very "Space Samurai" kind of effect.

I love his car mode - yes, the sword sits close to the ground with little clearance, but it's otherwise perfect for me. And if you look through the windshield, his feet look like seats. I'm glad it wasn't frosted glass. And when you transform him into a robot, I like that you can see the chest detailing through the windshield.

I think he is well beyond the sum of his parts and the realization of a the wishes of a G1 Dreamer who grew up wishing his toys were this cool. He's not perfect, but if every figure in the line were at his level, I'd be a pig in $#*!. He ranks among molds like Classics Sideswipe, Starscream, and Prowl, and isn't even a character I know. I'll reiterate that, because I tend to ignore characters I don't know, but this guy is amazing. Go and buy him.

JediTricks
07-08-2010, 03:02 PM
Yeah - Collector's club exclusive. Very cool. Can't remember if it's the membership freebie or an exclusive the store will offer.Wow, that's crazy. Any images yet?


Also, I completely disagree with your Drift review. Everything you say about him is true, but nit-picky. I would call him one of the best deluxe figures in the last couple of years (and not just because of he has swords, which seems to be a common theme among my "best figures" of the last couple years). I think that a lot of the simplistic things about him are what make him elegantly brilliant. The transformation isn't overly complex, but it's completely satisfying. And I love the way the back of his car transforms into the legs - they don't just fold out or slide out, it's like the pieces fold together and it creates a very "Space Samurai" kind of effect.

I love his car mode - yes, the sword sits close to the ground with little clearance, but it's otherwise perfect for me. And if you look through the windshield, his feet look like seats. I'm glad it wasn't frosted glass. And when you transform him into a robot, I like that you can see the chest detailing through the windshield.

I think he is well beyond the sum of his parts and the realization of a the wishes of a G1 Dreamer who grew up wishing his toys were this cool. He's not perfect, but if every figure in the line were at his level, I'd be a pig in $#*!. He ranks among molds like Classics Sideswipe, Starscream, and Prowl, and isn't even a character I know. I'll reiterate that, because I tend to ignore characters I don't know, but this guy is amazing. Go and buy him.If you say so. I think I made a case for some fairly big things, it's a good figure but by no means what I'd call amazing. So what else would you list under "best figures of the last couple years"?

El Chuxter
07-08-2010, 09:00 PM
I saw the Combiner Whatever Huffer. Not close enough to classic for me to spring for it. I can't have too many orphans running around (though I made an exception for Animated Grimlock, and still am thinking I should get his buddies, as well as for Animated Arcee).

figrin bran
07-08-2010, 10:09 PM
Chux, at least get Animated Blurr if you can still find him. That's my favorite from that line.

JediTricks
07-08-2010, 11:03 PM
Chux, at least get Animated Blurr if you can still find him. That's my favorite from that line.
Agreed, Animated Blurr is one of my favorite TFs of all time, the alt mode is so sleek and has a bit of the Mach 5 in it. The transformation might be a little challenging for you, but it's worth it... it's probably worth buying 2 if you're frustrated transforming it. :p


So finally in the mail arrives Leader-class Starscream:

Leader-class Starscream is an interesting figure. While packaged in bot mode, I always prefer to begin reviews from alt mode. Let me start off by saying I like this figure quite a bit. Now here's why it sucks. ;) Naw, just kidding, but there are some nitpicks here. Alt mode is a large, hefty F-22 Raptor... and then some robot legs folded underneath trying to be as sleek and unobtrusive as they can, but still stuff under a jet. The legs make up just over half an inch more jet than the bottom should normally be, which is about 25-33% more jet height than normally would be there. From some angles, it gets away with this pretty well, and from others it's business as usual for TF jet figures, especially the large crotch piece at the back under the engines. The engine exhausts, by the way, have sculpted turbines, which is quite cool. The designers knew the legs wouldn't really work into the jet, so they sculpted some of the jet underside elements behind the legs, a bold choice. The top of the plane is almost immaculate with the sculpted panel lines and little details, if not for a few black screws towards the back, and of course the Cybertronian tattoo deco isn't USAF-accurate. The cockpit is pretty well-detailed, it and the intakes are cast in clear yellow plastic but get away with this, especially with the jet being largely a satin lightly-metallic gray with black tattoos and a few light gray lines (there's also a few spots of bronze and dark bronze, but not too much). The front and sides are decent despite some bot stuff visisble, it's more like a jet with panels missing off the airframe. From the back, that crotch is just too much cargo under the plane, it's a thick part and has big hip joints exposed. From the bottom, more bot stuff is visible, and the wings have some exposed elements that are inaccurate. Adding on the big missile to the underside of each wing is inaccurate - the Raptor has an internal weapons bay - and the bot mode launcher hand can be stowed on the underside but visually sticks out a little more and its little non-removable missiles are facing the wrong way. In-hand, the plane is fun to whoosh, the kibble at least keeps the lines consistent, especially the front of the legs and feet which do a good job carrying the sleek shape of the plane. It's quite solid, almost no flex, and no dislodging parts.

For alt mode gimmicks, there are 3 fold-down landing gear, each with nicely-rolling wheels that leaves good ground clearance in the front and enough in the rear to not be a belly-dragger. A purple Decepticon symbol on the upper left sets off 2 light & sounds, a fast plane flyby sound with blinking red lights in the cockpit and behind the intakes; and the other is solid lights while it says "no one can defeat Starscream!" I think that line is a mistake on Hasbro's part, the packaging calls out "flyby and air combat sounds" when there's no combat sounds, and that voice line appears in the separate bot mode sound effect trigger.

Alt mode on its own I'd give an 8/10, with points off for the leg kibble and exposed underside elements (it's a stealth plane after all). If this were a voyager-class it'd be a lower score but the size works well in its favor for heft and sculpt, and it's nicely solid, and from a few angles it's spot-on.

Transformation to bot mode is quite a thing to see, lots of flipping elements around and inverting on, no shellmaster nonsense at all. Hasbro's instructions are from bot to alt mode, and some spots they felt necessary to include both text AND photos, which actually helps a little (especially a slightly confusing double-hinge that can be moved in a lot of incorrect ways) - imagine that. Anyway, once you have transformed it to alt mode, getting back to bot mode you'll understand why things are moving and it'll flow more naturally, but there are a few areas that were mistransformed in package so they still won't feel familiar the first time, and it's easy to forget moving some elements since there are so many. Also, the cockpit has to be opened manually to release a panel behind it, this is very important, they sculpted fingernail slots for it, but it's not mentioned anywhere (that panel, btw, can be taken as an airbrake in alt mode should you have the imagination for it, there's even sculpted detail inside). The launcher hand accessory must come off for tf, it might be possible to leave the missiles on but those wings automorph a flip-over so it would require rotation. Oh, and I hope you like the transform-to-bot-mode classic sound, you'll hear it a lot. I think they meant to have the alternate sound for transforming back but goofed here too as it is intended to sound both coming and going.

Transformation is quite good, a lot of stuff moving and coming together in unusual ways. It's like a modern movie voyager mixed with a Masterpiece, and I don't know if that'll appeal to casual fans, but it works for me.

Bot mode is a big boy, a big, wide, tall, heavy robot boy with lots of things going on. Standing with straight legs, Starscream is a head taller than movie 2 leader Optimus and wider too, and I don't mean by kibble! The figure can digitigrade (chicken walk) the legs down by up to an inch and a half if you like that Starscream-gorilla look, I don't so thankfully he stands straight legged quite well. The figure is quite solid, there's some flex but it holds together well, in terms of de-transforming you can move only a small upper wing and fold in the shoulder a little, so it holds up there too. The figure has a lot of sculpted detailing everywhere, almost every spot you look has what appears to be the inner workings of the jet turned into a robot. There's also a few spots of twisted robot internals like other movie 2 figures, each lower leg has a rotating "bone" inside the shin. The figure does suffer a lot of black screws visible in the front, it's not a dealbreaker but enough to be an issue of note. There's a lot of work in getting the overall shape to come together, even fully useless arms and panels that lock together just to get him right. The wings form a backpack that doesn't stick out too badly, but the crotch sticks out the front and stops so early that it highlights the backpackiness of it. The large crotch is the one part I find stands out too much on the figure, it looks like he's got a big frontbutt, and it's just incongruous. The toes spread a little, but are sculpted with stops so they don't splay too far out. Deco removes more of the tattoos while adding more grays and bronzes, but this is a very uncolorful robot, even the purple Decepticon logo on the top of the backpack (it's the transform sound button as well) doesn't add color to the party (nor the tiny green wiring for the light & sound gimmicks that's a bit exposed in the left shoulder). There are 2 spots of red, the pull-open cockpit tab and the robot eyes, more on those in the gimmick section. I find that if I stare at the figure long enough, the chest visually comes apart into its separate elements, but there's enough going on that there's a level behind that.

Despite thin legs and small feet, the figure stands fine, though 1 click out on the ratcheting hips has too much play and it becomes an extremely wide stance. There's strong play in the knees, so you can fuss with that to get good poses, but the hips are already so wide that the slippage on 1 stop out is hard to work with. The legs have the digitigrade articulation we've seen from the movie before, especially on other Starscreams. There's no above-the-knee swivel, but there is a below-the-knee one to make up for fairly locked down feet. The arms are well articulated, rotation above the elbow but not below. The hands have fold-in thumbs on either side of each hand, and are hinged at the wrist and again at the 3 middle finger cluster, though the fingers are so long I wish they had articulated knuckles, they aren't as versatile without. The shoulders are articulated, and connected to outer torso/collar bone sections that fold in, so he can shrug forward quite a bit, enough to just barely touch the opposite shoulder even! The neck can swivel about 45 degrees either direction. Standing up, the figure is so big and heavy it can wobble, but finding solid standing poses is easy, and if you don't bend them in the same direction so the sideways play takes over, the hips can get action poses 1 or even 2 clicks out that look good. The only restriction on motion is a strut that hangs down outside the elbow which runs into 2 small portrusions out the back of the forearms, this is very easy to just move around, and otherwise range is unencumbered.

Gimmicks in bot mode are nice. First off, the launcher hand can be pegged into the back of either hand, it can be left on the hand when flipped up but thankfully it's designed to be pegged into the back of the figure for storage. It looks like the movie version with 3 missiles on either side and 2 pointy prongs in between, plus a larger rotary wrist (non-movable here). It shoots 1 large dark bronze missile, the ones pegged into the back, the range isn't that great mainly due to the weight of the missile, but there's power behind it. Then there's electronic lights and sounds, or "Starscream speaks!" as the box puts it (it feels right to Screamer's ego), when you pull forward the red tab on the cockpit canopy, there is 1 of 2 lines, the "no one defeats Starscream!" with solid red light, and "Decepticons will crush the Au-to-bots" (the spacing on "Autobots" seems a bit weird to me) with another solid light, the voice acting is about 90% close to Chris Latta Starscream. When you pull the tab, it opens and smashes together the cockpit a little, and opens 2 panels above the cockpit with more orange translucent plastic details behind them, and opens Starscream's mouth by moving the upper half of the head. The light shows through the cockpit, the upper chest vent in the middle and side panel interiors, and lights up the eyes a vibrant red, it works quite nicely. The alt mode button is now on the back and works the same as before. The side panels and upper head are spring-loaded so they can be opened by hand, and are quite solid. The packaging claims there's moving gears to be seen in there, but I am pretty sure there's not.

Then there's my favorite gimmicks, which get their own paragraph. A small red tab is on the inside of each forearm, push it back and on the outside of each forearm, a panel springs in half and hinges up a weapon: twin missiles on the left, and a sweet gatling gun on the right. These aren't the biggest gimmicks, but they are fun as all get-out - I love hidden stuff that opens and moves! The extra outer torso articulation really comes alive using these, it makes for a more organic shooting pose.

The bot mode is impressive, it's quite large and solid, not too chunky for this odd movie design, good poseability. I'd give it a 9/10 and again, it gets points that a smaller scale of it might not get away with.

Overall, this is an A- in my book, there are flaws to be found if you look, but the overall balances fun with collectible, it's an exciting Transformer with some creative ideas going on. What works is an achievement, and what doesn't work is generally minor. While not perfect and a few little goofs, there's plenty of big and little stuff to make one easily overlook those. Also, having compared it to the early pic of Masterpiece Movie Starscream, this is the exact same mold, that one just has a different paint job, and while it's nice and classier, that's not worth double this leader-class Starscream figure (although it may have a clean, non-tattooed paint scheme, then you have to decide where your loyalties lie, cash or F-22-accurate paint scheme). Bottom line, leader-class Starscream is a winner.

El Chuxter
07-08-2010, 11:46 PM
Ooh, that Blurr does look nice. Wasn't aware of him--I'm not sure I ever saw that figure. Is it still findable?

JediTricks
07-08-2010, 11:48 PM
Ooh, that Blurr does look nice. Wasn't aware of him--I'm not sure I ever saw that figure. Is it still findable?Barely still findable if you're lucky, but mostly gone as the line is off the market.


I forgot, I added 2 little things on the review, adding now.

figrin bran
07-09-2010, 12:49 AM
It looks like some TRU exclusives, including MP Grimlock ($70), will be available at the Entertainment Earth booth at SDCC.

DarkArtist
07-09-2010, 07:40 AM
spotted the new Mini transformers last night at TRU in East Brunswick... they have the mini Ravage, Fireburst Optimus Prime and a repainted Bumblebee. I'm tempted to pick up the Ravage but the rest are easy passes....

also spotted the power core combiners again another easy pass...

Darth Metalmute
07-09-2010, 07:50 AM
Did the new Transformers have a street date too?

I saw all of the new transformers except drift and thrust, including the arialbots and the combaticons at TRU last week. But 4 days later, everything was gone. Everything. and not gone to where there were holes on the shelves, almost as if the section was condensed and new stock was removed.

Chaddymac
07-09-2010, 12:09 PM
Wow, that's crazy. Any images yet?

If you say so. I think I made a case for some fairly big things, it's a good figure but by no means what I'd call amazing. So what else would you list under "best figures of the last couple years"?
No images of Blurr-as-Cheetor yet. But I imagine greatness.

As for Drift, you identified issues, but I always start with "Is this toy fun?" and work from there. I think the toy is loads of fun, so I can forgive things like visible lines. Afterall, it's a transformer. they transform. there are going to be lines.

I also really like Bludgeon, though he has his problems, and Movie Lockdown, though he has his problems, too. But I'm so freaking in love with the classics-style figures, it's crazy. I can't stop buying them, even the repaints.

JediTricks
07-09-2010, 02:59 PM
Decided to take a couple quick shots of Starscream for scale. I used a Legends figure, and 1 each short and tall examples of Deluxe-class. You can click each image to view it larger (it's half the size I shot at, which is still mighty big, but easier to upload)...
Starscream landing:
http://yfrog.com/f/3mstarscreamlandingj/

Starscream standing:
http://yfrog.com/f/izstarscreamstandingj/

I really don't like the pose I used for the standing shot, but it gives a sense of the enormity of the figure. (Plus it shows off the cool pose I have Drift in. :p )

I do however like the pose I used for the landing shot. I wanted a fist for the right hand, which it cannot do, so I preferred to fold it all the way over. This pose was just to show off how far the shoulders and hips can go and still be useful, there's no cheating in the pose. I love how even though the figure is bent way down, it's still dwarfing Ironhide and Drift, and Ravage is totally minuscule.




spotted the new Mini transformers last night at TRU in East Brunswick... they have the mini Ravage, Fireburst Optimus Prime and a repainted Bumblebee. I'm tempted to pick up the Ravage but the rest are easy passes....Legends Ravage is decent and works well with scale to deluxes and Voyagers, although I paid $4 for mine and am not sure it's worth the $5 they normally were charging (my store claimed they're $6 on sale for $4 at the time, I really hope that's wrong).


Did the new Transformers have a street date too?Yes, Hasbro's 3 core lines - SW, TF, GI Joe - all have that stupid 1st week of August street date coming off of disastrous ends of '09 and beginnings of '10.


No images of Blurr-as-Cheetor yet. But I imagine greatness.

As for Drift, you identified issues, but I always start with "Is this toy fun?" and work from there. I think the toy is loads of fun, so I can forgive things like visible lines. Afterall, it's a transformer. they transform. there are going to be lines.

I also really like Bludgeon, though he has his problems, and Movie Lockdown, though he has his problems, too. But I'm so freaking in love with the classics-style figures, it's crazy. I can't stop buying them, even the repaints.Well, I will hold off excitement on Cheetor until I see it, don't want to get my hopes too high, especially since it's exclusive.

I can like almost any Transformer given the right circumstances, but considering how much money goes into collecting these, if I buy something and review it, I don't want to BS anybody by gushing over it simply because it tickles my fancy at the moment. My reviews are meant to be from a naked-eye point of view, I say nice things and I point out the ones that will bug me and other collectors. I give it a grade based on all that stuff, it doesn't mean the seams on the hood will ruin the figure, but it does mean they affect my enjoyment.

Chaddymac
07-09-2010, 03:08 PM
It disturbs me when you use the phrase "tickles my fancy" and "naked" in the same paragraph. Otherwise, I respect you. :)

I also love that pose you put my new FAVORITE figue in :p

Darth Metalmute
07-09-2010, 03:12 PM
Yes, Hasbro's 3 core lines - SW, TF, GI Joe - all have that stupid 1st week of August street date coming off of disastrous ends of '09 and beginnings of '10.

I knew I should have picked some things up. Odd enough, there was no signs of SW being stocked.

JediTricks
07-09-2010, 04:16 PM
It disturbs me when you use the phrase "tickles my fancy" and "naked" in the same paragraph. Otherwise, I respect you. :)

I also love that pose you put my new FAVORITE figue in :p
Yes yes, I noticed that double entendre too, was hoping you guys would be classier than to call it out... AHAHAHAHAHAHA, right!

Glad you dig the pose, it's based a little on a Drift comic art shot (http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/File:All_Hail_Megatron_6_cover_by_khaamar.jpg) I was trying to recreate (his thinner limbs and different scale to the alt mode kibble, plus the lack of range in the knees, didn't quite deliver, and the sword looked better on the collar than on the shoulder as it was in the shot, so I changed it to a standing pose and threw the loose short sword into his other hand).

BTW, a buddy innocently pointed out how the flash washes out Drift, not knowing I had already spent a bunch of time dealing with that in my shots, taking several more I didn't use. Ultimately, it caused me to post the 1 flash-free shot that came out:
http://yfrog.com/f1starscreamnoflashj

El Chuxter
07-09-2010, 05:09 PM
JT, if you re-create any "All Hail Megatron" cover image with toys, you have to then burn the figure, eat the ashes, and spread the resulting excrement on a stray puppy that you then sacrifice to Baal, otherwise all the good comic books in history will come to live in human form and kick you in the junk.

You're so lucky it didn't quite work.

JediTricks
07-09-2010, 05:22 PM
JT, if you re-create any "All Hail Megatron" cover image with toys, you have to then burn the figure, eat the ashes, and spread the resulting excrement on a stray puppy that you then sacrifice to Baal, otherwise all the good comic books in history will come to live in human form and kick you in the junk.

You're so lucky it didn't quite work.
Well, the pose looked more like Drift was taking a dump, so I suppose that was apt. But you miiiiight be a wee bit harsh on AHM there.

Chaddymac
07-09-2010, 07:40 PM
Well, the pose looked more like Drift was taking a dump, so I suppose that was apt. But you miiiiight be a wee bit harsh on AHM there.
Confession: Never seen a picture of Drift from the comics. Now that I have, you're telling me you AREN'T ridiculously impressed with how well Hasbro interpreted that? For real? That's just... wow. Am I insane for loving this figure so much? Because I do. Right down to the Kanji on his sword, which I can't read, but I'm told says "Bad Motherf*@#%"

El Chuxter
07-09-2010, 10:56 PM
Well, the pose looked more like Drift was taking a dump, so I suppose that was apt. But you miiiiight be a wee bit harsh on AHM there.

If anything, I was not harsh enough. Even aside from totally tossing the previous continuity out the window, that series was one of the worst comics I ever read.

Ever.

And, yes, I'm counting all those Rob Liefeld books I bought as a stupid youngster.

JetsAndHeels
07-10-2010, 02:00 PM
Hey guys.

Leader SS is by far my favorite toy from this new line. I love that figure. Straight up bad-a.

Drift comes a close second. I had to order him off of TRU.com, and it was definately worth the wait. He's not perfect by any means, but he is an awesome toy. He looks great fighting against Bludgeon.

I like the PCC 2 packs more than I thought I would. Huffer is my favorite of the 3 sets.

I have all the new stuff I want for now, except Legends Ravage. That mean little kitty has been tough to find here in the early going.

I also preordered HA Jazz and the new scouts off Hasbrotoyshop. I don't wanna have to waste a bunch of time and gas to find those.

Tycho
07-11-2010, 12:16 AM
I admit I haven't read anything posted here recently but talked to JT on the phone about LC Starscream.

I opened both of mine and suffice it to say, he (they) are my favorite purchase of this YEAR that I can recall as of right now.

Wow! Starscream is good. I'm loving this figure!

figrin bran
07-11-2010, 10:10 AM
There's another BOGO sale at TRU this week!

It says you can mix and match Hasbro brands so you should be able to get a TF and a SW toy.

JediTricks
07-11-2010, 12:39 PM
Picked up Battle Blade Bumblebee after learning it was a new figure. Very surprising item, much skinnier than previous dlx BBs, and a different take on where the various kibble elements go, some a bit inaccurate. The flip-out axe is ok, the fold-over gun doesn't quite deliver, the battle mask working is a nice addition. This definitely feels more like an ROTF figure than a repurposed m1 figure. The face though is a weird sculpt, they took liberties with the lower face making it more creepy skull than before.


On dlx Ironhide, I overlooked 1 thing until last night. The weird tripod turret's feet can lock into Ironhide's alt mode bed, then fold down so it's flush against the roof of the cab between the pipes, clearly designed just for that. But what's the point? Is it just doing a thing for thing's sake or are the 2 smaller boxes on its top supposed to be guns as well or what?


Confession: Never seen a picture of Drift from the comics. Now that I have, you're telling me you AREN'T ridiculously impressed with how well Hasbro interpreted that? For real? That's just... wow. Am I insane for loving this figure so much? Because I do. Right down to the Kanji on his sword, which I can't read, but I'm told says "Bad Motherf*@#%"Yes, I am telling you I am not ridiculously impressed. The comics character is distributed well, the figure is skinnier and then uses too much bulk at the lower legs, it's not hard to twist a skinny bot skeletal into this sort of thing. It's an ok figure, but it's not blowing me away on its own, and as a comparison to the comic art it's good but not astounding.

The text on his sword means "peerless under heaven", apparently.


If anything, I was not harsh enough. Even aside from totally tossing the previous continuity out the window, that series was one of the worst comics I ever read.

Ever.

And, yes, I'm counting all those Rob Liefeld books I bought as a stupid youngster.Ouch, what about the Dreamwave Pat Lee Transformers thing?


Hey guys.

Leader SS is by far my favorite toy from this new line. I love that figure. Straight up bad-a.

Drift comes a close second. I had to order him off of TRU.com, and it was definately worth the wait. He's not perfect by any means, but he is an awesome toy. He looks great fighting against Bludgeon.

I like the PCC 2 packs more than I thought I would. Huffer is my favorite of the 3 sets.

I have all the new stuff I want for now, except Legends Ravage. That mean little kitty has been tough to find here in the early going.

I also preordered HA Jazz and the new scouts off Hasbrotoyshop. I don't wanna have to waste a bunch of time and gas to find those.Glad you dig Starscream and got your figs. Surprised you like the PCCs, do you have all 3 2-packs?

Tycho says the new scouts are out, so I'm hoping to find them soon. I'm tempted by the HTS preorder on Jazz, but between tax and shipping it's going to be quite expensive. I am hoping to get on Amazon.

El Chuxter
07-11-2010, 01:15 PM
Ouch, what about the Dreamwave Pat Lee Transformers thing?

Well, I don't consider those comics. They're toilet paper in bound form with the scribbles of a severely demented moron in dung.

I'd actually done a fairly good job of blocking those out of my mind. There have been four times total I've considered dropping Transformers comics: the first Dreamwave series (hated the awful writing and nonexistent character knowledge--Grimlock would never go 'Con), the Dreamwave ongoing (at which I did drop everything but The War Within series), All Hail Megatron (where I decided to give the new ongoing one collected volume to redeem this mess), and the new ongoing (which I decided to drop after reading the godawful first volume that showed characterization that would make Pat Lee proud).

I plan to get The Last Stand of the Wreckers, since it seems pretty universally well-accepted, but, otherwise, I think I'm done for a while. AHM was too nihilistic and depressing, not to mention amateurish and it simply didn't fit in with the previous continuity. Love or hate the series that preceded it, the jump into AHM was sort of like immediately continuing the 1960s Batman series with The Dark Knight Returns. Except DKR was good.

figrin bran
07-11-2010, 09:56 PM
I stopped by TRU for the BOGO sale, hoping some of the Cybertron Primes that were there yesterday were still available.

No such luck so I decided to get HA Barricade (not sure if he'll still ship in that HA Jazz assortment plus I had passed him up many times already) along with the Huffer PCC set.

JediTricks
07-11-2010, 11:49 PM
TRU Los Feliz had 1 each Hubcap and Brimstone. I bought them both. Hubcap was mis-assembled, a pin jammed the right rear wheel at an angle which affects rolling, but otherwise I dig both figures for vastly different reasons.


Hubcap's alt mode is a a 1930s coupe with hot rodder pipes, although this modification could have been found on era coupes, it was more common to find them on '50s hot rods. The look is simple but effective, I don't recognize the grille, I think they squared it off to make it unrecognizable but the squared lines suggest more Buick than Ford. There's a small gap at the front of the pipes behind the front fenders below the line of the hood, since there's a little at the headers anyway it gets away with it. Aside from the rear end not holding tight on the seam, there isn't much here that screams Transformer (aside from the black painted Autobot logo hood emblem), no kibble to speak of. Oddly, the wheels are sculpted without hubcaps, which is more of an authentic hot rod thing, but defies the character's name. The color is red, but a little more on the orange side than one would expect which is more like the '30s coloring than the '50s rods. The pipes, grille, and bumpers are silver; the windows black. Unfortunately, a tooling change to a roadster isn't possible, there's bot mode stuff inside that's too high up the roofline to work, so any reuse will have to be a coupe.

Transformation is as standard as it gets for post-'96 figures, a classic shellmaster. You won't need instructions for this. It's not bad though, it pegs in places and holds well, the head pops through the hood in an elegant way.

Bot mode is a nice-looking shellmaster, the only complaint I'd give is the visible screws holding in the shoulder articulation. The shell parts don't get in the way and are distributed evenly enough to not seem too horrible, although the legs get a bit more than their fair share. The hood chest with the bumper, grille, and headlights is a nice touch. The rounded head doesn't speak to me much, it's not bad or anything but pretty standard styling, reminds me of classic minibots in that way. The forearm shell part on each arm has the pipes, and they beefed up the pipe just before the curve to accommodate the new weapon C-clips so even though he has sculpted open hands, he can still use other figures' weapons. Coloring adds a lot of gray and dark "titanium" gray plastics, plus a little orangy metallic on a few spots; the eyes are painted in a metallic blue that's not found anywhere else . There's sculpted detailing here and there, even in the shell parts, but it doesn't especially stand out, so he looks like a basic... basic. The articulation is pretty good, the elbows are ball joints, but everything else is swivel-hinged and it works, even a mid-thigh swivel; he can clap his hands together thanks to wide range on the shoulders. The feet are hinged for transformation but they're loose and kinda crappy, it's the biggest drawback of the figure IMO, and since the shell is almost floor level at the heel anyway, often you'll find yourself looking at the inside of a hollow foot.

All in all, I like this figure. It's not flashy or in any way revolutionary, but it's not too movie-verse so it gets points for being a nice, simple classic '90s kind of TF. And it's a cool car and inside the shell is an attempt at detailing, so it's not phoned in.


I'll get to Brimstone a little later.



Well, I don't consider those comics. They're toilet paper in bound form with the scribbles of a severely demented moron in dung.

I'd actually done a fairly good job of blocking those out of my mind. So what you're saying is I'm right? ;)


There have been four times total I've considered dropping Transformers comics: the first Dreamwave series (hated the awful writing and nonexistent character knowledge--Grimlock would never go 'Con), the Dreamwave ongoing (at which I did drop everything but The War Within series), All Hail Megatron (where I decided to give the new ongoing one collected volume to redeem this mess), and the new ongoing (which I decided to drop after reading the godawful first volume that showed characterization that would make Pat Lee proud).

I plan to get The Last Stand of the Wreckers, since it seems pretty universally well-accepted, but, otherwise, I think I'm done for a while. AHM was too nihilistic and depressing, not to mention amateurish and it simply didn't fit in with the previous continuity. Love or hate the series that preceded it, the jump into AHM was sort of like immediately continuing the 1960s Batman series with The Dark Knight Returns. Except DKR was good.What are you looking for in a TF comic then? I mean, it's got to go somewhere, it cannot stagnate and nor can it throw Pat Lee ideas at the wall again. I'm not trying to defend AHM per se, just temper your reaction with a little dose of reality. IDW has kept Transformers out of the kid-accessible range for a while now, they go with violence and adult themes even on stuff like Hearts of Steel, then they also write extremely simplified stories that fizzle out in an attempt to not write over the readers' heads. AHM at least tried to be adult about a mature theme. Did IDW screw up the new canon timelines with it? Absolutely. Is it just a comic book? Yup. Is it something we haven't seen tackled lately in TF? Sure.



I stopped by TRU for the BOGO sale, hoping some of the Cybertron Primes that were there yesterday were still available.

No such luck so I decided to get HA Barricade (not sure if he'll still ship in that HA Jazz assortment plus I had passed him up many times already) along with the Huffer PCC set.TRU Los Feliz had a WFC Prime this morning around 11am. Sorry to hear you didn't get it, although the savings is nearly the same.

El Chuxter
07-12-2010, 12:41 AM
I don't mind "mature" themes, and I like originality. However, AHM was bad. Not because it was mature--it was, in fact, the opposite, the sort of "let's throw some gratuitous violence in and call it 'mature'" dreck that seems too common in comics the past several years. It was immature, tons of violence for violence's sake with little or no character development.

Granted, there seemed to be a touch of an attempt at showing that the Decepticons have never won the day for a reason, but it was weakly done and thrown in almost as an afterthought. Without that being properly conveyed, it was just a bunch of Constructicons running over human civilians, which got old after a few panels.

The ongoing is such a jumbled, deconstructed mess that it bordered on unreadable. And not a single character is consistent with how they were portrayed previously, either in AHM or the series of miniseries before it.

All I want is a well-told story of consistent quality. The property having its third soft reboot in as many years smells of IDW just tossing anything they can think of against a wall.

Chaddymac
07-12-2010, 01:17 PM
I don't mind "mature" themes, and I like originality. However, AHM was bad. Not because it was mature--it was, in fact, the opposite, the sort of "let's throw some gratuitous violence in and call it 'mature'" dreck that seems too common in comics the past several years. It was immature, tons of violence for violence's sake with little or no character development.

Granted, there seemed to be a touch of an attempt at showing that the Decepticons have never won the day for a reason, but it was weakly done and thrown in almost as an afterthought. Without that being properly conveyed, it was just a bunch of Constructicons running over human civilians, which got old after a few panels.

The ongoing is such a jumbled, deconstructed mess that it bordered on unreadable. And not a single character is consistent with how they were portrayed previously, either in AHM or the series of miniseries before it.

All I want is a well-told story of consistent quality. The property having its third soft reboot in as many years smells of IDW just tossing anything they can think of against a wall.
Like a monkey!

JediTricks
07-12-2010, 04:05 PM
Brimstone has a "chopper", a stretched custom motorcycle. This is not remotely the bike that Mikaela was working on in Transformers:ROTF though. This is about 1:20th scale, too small for Star Wars figures, too big for Human Alliance figures. Great care was taken to make this bike more authentic than ever, putting authentic details like more accurate double-peg footpegs, a transfer case, bologna cuts on the short exhaust pipes, rivets on the seat, sculpted brake cables, even the kickstand is sculpted like it should be. The bike's only kibble would be the robot head behind the sissy bar, and it's facing into the seat so it looks like a spare helmet. The front fork and triple tree and controls are on stiff ball joints (bot shoulders), it can't turn but you can change the rake of the bike, which is great because I don't care for quite as much stretch as Hasbro put the stop at. The front fender is a stretched shape which helps fill in the gap between the front wheel and down tubes. The seat is actually a high-rise single-seater with a sissy bar, which is something found mainly only in the '70s and doesn't quite match the rake or the shapes of the fenders, but custom bikes are sometimes mixed up like that. The tins are a slightly metallic medium-blue with green flame paint, it looks decent, but if not for the Decepticon logo on the cover on the triple-tree, it'd be more of a "good guy" paint job IMO. The tube frame, engine, and other metal bike bits are cast in milky gray plastic, and it doesn't do this sculpt justice, silver would have been far more rewarding, as is found painted on the 6-spoke wheels (their design also reminds me of '70s choppers), but I'll take what I can get.

Transformation is decent for a scout-class, not entirely original for a bike-bot but does things his own way, and the rear wheel ending up as the middle of his torso is a neat twist. The figure's fender-forearms are mistransformed in package, and tabbed into the their tubes pretty well. I would have liked to have seen the sissy bar, seat as a back, and shoulders lock into position. The tiny hands are so odd and hard to flip out that I wonder why they bothered. Transforming back is good, some stuff requires doing in order, but is mostly a clean process of positioning and rotating over, and the air cleaner covers actually have a little friction bump to lock onto the gas tank undersides. There is a small clearance issue between the exhaust pipes and nearby air cleaner cover though.

Bot mode is clearly a wicked, evil, nasty cool thing. Brimstone is slightly hunched and has skinny bent legs, wide shoulders with thin arms and lower torso, it's little bit of Igor, or maybe they were going for a robot tweaker. The head is a very nasty fellow, a little swept back helmeted head with evil red beady eyes and a silver toothy grin with no lower jaw - or much of a lower head at all - it reminds me of '70s underground art styles (yes, more '70s themes). The majority of detailing comes from being a motorcycle, the shoulders add a little new tech detailing which helps make it something more. The forearm/hand things made from the front wheel and fender are confusing at first, each has portions of the front wheel that are now spinning weapons, and at the end of the fender half is a tiny flat 3-fingered hand angled down away from the line of his forearm which at straight pose reach beyond his knees. The arms straight look really odd, but rotating and bending the arms makes it far less bizarre. The legs are folded out motor elements, and it works pretty well thanks to smart use of the kibble as legs and blocky elements for the underlying leg sections, offsetting the tubular arms. Colors remain the same, although the balance has shifted to more gray, and the head area adds some red which helps things pop. Articulation is decent if not outstanding, a lot of range on the ball-jointed neck, the shoulders have decent range although it's easy to accidentally de-transform the shoulders when posing, and the legs have ball-jointed hips and hinged knees.

All in all, Brimstone is a fascinating character and a cool transformer. The bike is something we don't see very often, and one of the better bike designs in general. Transformation is decent. Bot mode is a cool, wicked, nasty fellow. As scout-class figures go, this one is a winner in my book.




I don't mind "mature" themes, and I like originality. However, AHM was bad. Not because it was mature--it was, in fact, the opposite, the sort of "let's throw some gratuitous violence in and call it 'mature'" dreck that seems too common in comics the past several years. It was immature, tons of violence for violence's sake with little or no character development.

Granted, there seemed to be a touch of an attempt at showing that the Decepticons have never won the day for a reason, but it was weakly done and thrown in almost as an afterthought. Without that being properly conveyed, it was just a bunch of Constructicons running over human civilians, which got old after a few panels.

The ongoing is such a jumbled, deconstructed mess that it bordered on unreadable. And not a single character is consistent with how they were portrayed previously, either in AHM or the series of miniseries before it.

All I want is a well-told story of consistent quality. The property having its third soft reboot in as many years smells of IDW just tossing anything they can think of against a wall.I don't think TF is really strong enough from a storytelling perspective to tell broad concepts within a single continuity. Ultimately, it's not Star Wars, just because they're both Hasbro and both popular toy brands doesn't mean they can both hold up to the same level of scrutiny. That said, aren't you perturbed by the SW EU right now as well? Maybe it's just that you have high expectations which the brands that cater to the larger fandom simply cannot tell stories like those within the framework of their larger brands. AHM was a new idea and expanded on it, it gave the bad guys a win and then explained why that doesn't work. It's a valid concept, "what if the Nazis won?" sort of thing, and obviously there was character development, even in Drift, and look at Thundercracker's story. Is it brilliant? No. Is it consistent with the existing brand? Yes.

El Chuxter
07-13-2010, 11:36 AM
If All Hail Megatron had been written by someone who wasn't a glorified amateur who didn't have the chops to pull it off, and either more packed with story or condensed into fewer issues, it could've been great. This was the sort of story that should've been dark--and not simply violent--and deep; it wasn't either, so it sounds like the sort of games my friends and I would play in fourth grade.

Current SW EU is a slightly different matter. It's a repeat of earlier stories in a fashion that borders on impossible. And wanks the Boba Fett fans a bit much.

JediTricks
07-13-2010, 12:57 PM
And who exactly has the chops and drive to handle this material under the TF banner right now? It's not exactly inviting a lot of big name new talent, and fans are heavily divided on Simon Furman's last few years of writing.

El Chuxter
07-13-2010, 01:12 PM
They can get guys like Christos Gage and Chuck Dixon on GIJoe, but you expect me to believe no one wants to write Transformers?

Even Bob Budiansky would be better at it, if he took it seriously. His work on non-Transformers books from the 1980s was pretty good; likely he realizes now that the entire purpose of the book isn't to sell new toys anymore.

Heck, Denny O'Neill had a hand in creating the concept of the Transformers. It's not like the better writers hide from it.

JediTricks
07-13-2010, 02:39 PM
Transformers aren't people, writing for them is different, that's why it used to attract more of the sci-fi writers from Marvel, but in the '80s more of the writers at Marvel were genuinely interested in sci-fi anyway. Now days, it doesn't seem like comic publishers want writers who understand sci-fi, this isn't the '80s anymore, comics are a totally different medium from 20, 30 years ago. You can see it in the cartoons too, the G1 cartoon writers had an interest in ideas that you just don't find in the '00s cartoons. As these brands get more nuanced, they also get more niche.

JetsAndHeels
07-13-2010, 03:04 PM
Glad you dig Starscream and got your figs. Surprised you like the PCCs, do you have all 3 2-packs?

Yes I have all 3 of the 2 PCC packs. My favorite one is the Huffer set, with Smolder being a close second. I found the 5-pack PCC sets at Target yesterday, so I went ahead and got Bombshock, which I am pretty happy with.

I also managed to find a legends Ravage over the weekend, so I am good for a while.

JediTricks
07-13-2010, 03:17 PM
Yes I have all 3 of the 2 PCC packs. My favorite one is the Huffer set, with Smolder being a close second. I found the 5-pack PCC sets at Target yesterday, so I went ahead and got Bombshock, which I am pretty happy with.

I also managed to find a legends Ravage over the weekend, so I am good for a while.
I am likely to buy Smolder today, I wish I could return that awful Searchlight though, but I guess I'm keeping him now. I think I'm also going to buy the Bombshock set as well because I'm a sucker. :p

Tycho
07-13-2010, 03:19 PM
JT, I appreciate your review of Brimstone. I'm giving him hard consideration.

JediTricks
07-13-2010, 04:02 PM
JT, I appreciate your review of Brimstone. I'm giving him hard consideration.
He's not in scale to anything you have in terms of alt modes and human figures, which you usually rail against. There's a lot of stretch in the front end, more than you'd see on a bike from Sons of Anarchy I'll wager (real bikers don't have choppers stretched that far, the more stretch the harder they are to control), this is more like a show bike based on a true chopper. Still, I think he's boss.

figrin bran
07-13-2010, 10:53 PM
They can get guys like Christos Gage and Chuck Dixon on GIJoe, but you expect me to believe no one wants to write Transformers?

Even Bob Budiansky would be better at it, if he took it seriously. His work on non-Transformers books from the 1980s was pretty good; likely he realizes now that the entire purpose of the book isn't to sell new toys anymore.

Heck, Denny O'Neill had a hand in creating the concept of the Transformers. It's not like the better writers hide from it.

Chux, you want Stracynski to come in and set Transformers comics back? I'd like him away from DC Comics asap.

Tycho
07-15-2010, 12:18 PM
Yes, I think Transformers needs to have more modern writing:

SideSwipe should have a drinking problem.

Arcee should be divorcing Springer and hiring a lawyer to take him through the carwash.

Because The Ark crashed, Optimus Prime should be put on probation and have his starship license suspended.

The Junkions should quit analog and become Born-Again-HD-Satellite-Followers.

Megatron should fess up and admit he doesn't really care about Universal Domination but all he's really been after is a controlling monopoly over the Energon Processing business.

Chaddymac
07-16-2010, 11:40 AM
Yes, I think Transformers needs to have more modern writing:

SideSwipe should have a drinking problem.

Arcee should be divorcing Springer and hiring a lawyer to take him through the carwash.

Because The Ark crashed, Optimus Prime should be put on probation and have his starship license suspended.

The Junkions should quit analog and become Born-Again-HD-Satellite-Followers.

Megatron should fess up and admit he doesn't really care about Universal Domination but all he's really been after is a controlling monopoly over the Energon Processing business.
That made me chuckle.

JediTricks
07-18-2010, 01:58 PM
I just put up all 4 of my Classics-mold Seekers together. Dirge will be out in a few waves, the official Hasbro pics have surfaced of him, Red Alert, WFC Soundwave & Megs, and Blurrift:
http://www.entertainmentearth.com/prodinfo.asp?number=HT98452D
Dirge is the Gentei mold with a new deco, much more G1 and no chrome. Looks good, now we just need Thundercracker and we're set!

Anyway, so my 4 Seekers are together, and it's a handsome crew. I forgot how troublesome it is to stand this mold though, the heel design really messes it up. I hate to say it, but Starscream v1 is the weakest effort in the bunch, that milky gray plastic does him no favors. And worst of all, both revisists of him aren't that great, the Japanese one is boring and expensive, the Universe 2.0 version is blinding. I hate to say it, but I think this mold is never gonna be done as Starscream right. Also, it's going to be weird having only Ramjet have different weapons, Dirge has the standard missiles and launchers, and Thundercracker darn well BETTER have the same ones! Thrust is the classiest of the 4 I have, they did a nice job and the colors flow excellently, there are no dull or bright plastics, everything feels balanced. Skywarp's purple is the loudest color of the group, but his black and silver look the sharpest and this is carried onto the face which makes such a difference against Starscream especially. Screamer's bot mode wings look the best, while Ramjet's stand out as the most unique. Skywarp's hips are still the loosest joints of the group. In terms of vehicle mode, Starscream is the best-looking, Thrust the most unique, and Ramjet the most interesting but also the one with the color mismatch problems.

Darth Metalmute
07-19-2010, 08:01 AM
Dirge is the Gentei mold with a new deco, much more G1 and no chrome. Looks good, now we just need Thundercracker and we're set!

I'm so ticked I dropped the ball on Skywarp. They clearenced those Ultra Magnus/Skywarp at the target near me for 12 bucks a year ago. I always meant to pick one up but didn't. Now, the sets are going for 100 dollars on ebay and a loose Skywarp alone went for 84 dollars.

Tycho
07-19-2010, 02:32 PM
The Transformers need (a)

Leader Class Decepticon Helicopter (Blackout or Grindor)

Human Alliance Decepticons (Rampage, Sideways, Scrapper are all good candidates for the scale) - and they can rename the series Human Nemesis! How about that?

Scout Size BumbleBee and SideSwipe, maybe Barricade and Sideways, to go with the downscaling of Ratchet and Ironhide to Deluxe Size.

I will let Aaron Archer and Andy Epenshade know under no uncertain terms - maybe several times a day!

I will definitely make a call for these in the Hasbro pannel so I can collect support from the rest of the fans.

JediTricks
07-19-2010, 03:42 PM
I'm so ticked I dropped the ball on Skywarp. They clearenced those Ultra Magnus/Skywarp at the target near me for 12 bucks a year ago. I always meant to pick one up but didn't. Now, the sets are going for 100 dollars on ebay and a loose Skywarp alone went for 84 dollars.
A HUNDRED BUCKS?!? Geez, I picked it up for I think $12 or even $5. And it's a very nice use of this mold, a good deco on Skywarp. UM is a dud though. Shocking to hear it's going for that much. Good luck tracking one down.


Tycho, Andy Espenshade hasn't worked for Hasbro for 3 years now, he works for Jergens/Curel (they make hand lotion) after a couple years at EA Sports.

I suggest talking to Brian Wilk, he now works on the TF design team and you and he know each other from when he worked on the SW team up until last year and you'd bother them with crazy pie-in-the-sky ideas. ;)

Chaddymac
07-19-2010, 05:59 PM
A HUNDRED BUCKS?!? Geez, I picked it up for I think $12 or even $5. And it's a very nice use of this mold, a good deco on Skywarp. UM is a dud though. Shocking to hear it's going for that much. Good luck tracking one down.


Tycho, Andy Espenshade hasn't worked for Hasbro for 3 years now, he works for Jergens/Curel (they make hand lotion) after a couple years at EA Sports.

I suggest talking to Brian Wilk, he now works on the TF design team and you and he know each other from when he worked on the SW team up until last year and you'd bother them with crazy pie-in-the-sky ideas. ;)
Magnus continues to be in demand because of the fansproject armor. Kind of like how the cost of Universe Hardhead went up when they announced the headmaster add-on set.

Tycho
07-20-2010, 11:05 AM
Tycho, Andy Espenshade hasn't worked for Hasbro for 3 years now, he works for Jergens/Curel (they make hand lotion) after a couple years at EA Sports.

I didn't know he worked with EA Sports! I could have asked him to make it so the Padres win the World Series on their every MLB game!

Jergens huh? I am fond of their products that go along with me looking at other websites I frequently visit online :lipsrsealed:


I suggest talking to Brian Wilk, he now works on the TF design team and you and he know each other from when he worked on the SW team up until last year and you'd bother them with crazy pie-in-the-sky ideas. ;)

Oh yeah! Like I once had this idea for a 1:1 scale giant transforming aircraft carrier that Starscream could land on and when it turned into a robot it would be 14 feet tall and it would also be a triple-changer modeled after the G1 Broadside and when he became a fighter jet, kids could actually fly in him (sort of) because he'd have a gasoline powered engine like a go-cart and you didn't know this but when I was a kid my friend Charlie had a dad who was an engineer and he built him this gasoline powered go-cart and this is relevant because my friend Charlie was once a lot younger and he liked Transformers back in that day, too so I should probably tell Brian Wilk about Charilie because I just told you and you seemed so interested that you read this entirely long paragraph that is actually just one huge run-on sentence and I know that as an author I shouldn't write run-on sentences but it is amusing me that if you've read it this far it is serving its purpose for annoying you because you said I bother people which implies I can be annoying but you shoud be glad that I am making this post because it just proves that it is true or that I am completely insane which comes from sniffing Mouse Droids since I sniff so many Mouse Droids and you know that I don't use drugs but that these are Hasbro Mouse Droids like the ones that came packaged with R4-M9 which prompted that whole huge thread on SSG about sniffing the Mouse Droids and making everyone crazy like me. :crazed:

El Chuxter
07-20-2010, 11:44 AM
JT, did you pass on Acid Storm, or do you just not display him with the Seekers?

El Chuxter
07-20-2010, 06:13 PM
Grimlock is up for pre-order with free shipping. I'm thinking I'll order him, and not have to deal with Comic-Con lines or driving from TRU to TRU.

http://www.toysrus.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3870072

Is $59.99 what he's going to be in store, or do we know yet?

JediTricks
07-20-2010, 08:29 PM
Magnus continues to be in demand because of the fansproject armor. Kind of like how the cost of Universe Hardhead went up when they announced the headmaster add-on set.Ah. How sad then, that set was pretty much only wanted for the Skywarp figure when it came out, now they're both insanely overpriced.


JT, did you pass on Acid Storm, or do you just not display him with the Seekers?I bought Acid Storm to mail to a buddy, and was glad I wasn't keeping that figure once I had it in-hand. It wasn't something that fit with my tastes (that's a nice way of saying "I think it sucks", right? ;)).

El Chuxter
07-20-2010, 08:34 PM
Funny, I was totally the opposite of you on Acid Storm. I dig the color scheme, and he looks nice as a background Seeker. I just wish either A) he'd been Sunstorm, or B) they'd release Sunstorm. (Preferably B, but after a wide-release Thundercracker.)

figrin bran
07-21-2010, 01:57 AM
Grimlock is up for pre-order with free shipping. I'm thinking I'll order him, and not have to deal with Comic-Con lines or driving from TRU to TRU.

http://www.toysrus.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3870072

Is $59.99 what he's going to be in store, or do we know yet?

Grimlock is going to be $70 at Comic Con actually. I'd rather wait, save the money and not have to lug him with me on the Amtrak ride back home.

Also, Walmart.com has LC movie Starscream for $30. I have a $25 WM gift card sitting on my desk so I can get him for just $8 or so.

Darth Metalmute
07-21-2010, 07:54 AM
Grimlock is up for pre-order with free shipping. I'm thinking I'll order him, and not have to deal with Comic-Con lines or driving from TRU to TRU.

http://www.toysrus.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3870072

Is $59.99 what he's going to be in store, or do we know yet?

That is a great looking Grimlock. I might have to pick this up.

El Chuxter
07-21-2010, 11:54 AM
Grimlock is going to be $70 at Comic Con actually. I'd rather wait, save the money and not have to lug him with me on the Amtrak ride back home.

Thanks for the info. If I've waited this long for Grimmy, I can wait another couple weeks.

El Chuxter
07-21-2010, 08:32 PM
DAMMIT! I went to order Grimlock, and not only is he out of stock, but they marked him up $5!

El Chuxter
07-22-2010, 11:20 AM
And, today, they marked him up another $5, but he's still unavailable for order.

Dissen nutsen.

Tycho
07-22-2010, 12:06 PM
At Comic Con, JediTricks was there and witness to me asking Brian Wilks (formerly from the Star Wars Team) about:

1. Leader Class Blackout (A: If a helicopter is in Michael Bay's next movie - yes).

2. Human Alliance / Nemesis Decepticons like Sideways and Rampage and Scrapper. (A: Wait and see. There will be some surprises. They'd like more Decepticons in the HA line.)

3. Scout Class BumbleBee, Sideswipe, Mudflap, Skids, etc. to accomodate Ironhide and Ratchet being scaled down to Deluxe. (A: They really like Bumblebee and how every version of him sells.) I read into the answer a positive result.

I also asked another Transformers Team member and got similar responses.

Today I will ask in front of all the fans at the Hasbro TF pannel. :yes:

I did inform Hasbro I would be asking about these every day. :D

I also informed Hasbro what a great job they did on LC Starscream. He's their favorite, too.

DarkArtist
07-23-2010, 08:37 AM
At Comic Con, JediTricks was there and witness to me asking Brian Wilks (formerly from the Star Wars Team) about:

1. Leader Class Blackout (A: If a helicopter is in Michael Bay's next movie - yes).

2. Human Alliance / Nemesis Decepticons like Sideways and Rampage and Scrapper. (A: Wait and see. There will be some surprises. They'd like more Decepticons in the HA line.)

3. Scout Class BumbleBee, Sideswipe, Mudflap, Skids, etc. to accomodate Ironhide and Ratchet being scaled down to Deluxe. (A: They really like Bumblebee and how every version of him sells.) I read into the answer a positive result.

I also asked another Transformers Team member and got similar responses.

Today I will ask in front of all the fans at the Hasbro TF pannel. :yes:

I did inform Hasbro I would be asking about these every day. :D

I also informed Hasbro what a great job they did on LC Starscream. He's their favorite, too.


would love to see Scout class versions of Bumblebee, Skids and Mudflap that would be awesome....

picked up Scout Class Hubcap yesterday at TRU in East Brunswick and I have to say that he is perhaps my favorite transformer from the new line so far.. very easy to transform and looks great as both the Hot-Rod and in Robot mode.

JetsAndHeels
07-23-2010, 08:26 PM
You guys may want to check your local Kmart store. I went by mine on Wednesday and all of their clearance toys were an additional 50% off. I grabbed the minicon set for $9.50 and a robot replicas starscream for $5.

Chaddymac
07-24-2010, 02:34 PM
I bought Grimmy from EE at the con. I figured it was tax free so really it was only a few bucks more. And he's awesome.

figrin bran
07-27-2010, 10:57 AM
Hmmm...maybe I should have bought MP Grimlock at SDCC...

I finally found Drift, or Mary Sue Maximus as some of you were calling him I think? Alt mode is great but I don't think I like bot mode as much as some of you.

I also got Seaspray in the mail but I've been so wiped out by SDCC that I've only transformed him once.

tagmac
07-27-2010, 05:52 PM
I ordered a Comic-Com Blaster from HTS yesterday. Never had him as a kid, but always wanted him. Will look great next to my TRU Soundwave, whom I also failed to get as a kid, and actually paid more on amazon several months ago since it was the only place to find it at that point (I hate the fact that the chest piece sticks out to hold two tapes, but the Comic-Con version was even pricier). I was gonna get that Grimlock, but having seen the pictures, I'm not really THAT impressed.

Now, if they would just release a Commemorative Edition Devastator/Constructicons set, I would be really happy!

JediTricks
07-30-2010, 02:28 PM
I'm temporarily bypassing the conversation starting at 4071 so I can post this link to pics from the Chinese Transformers convention:

http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-generations-classics-30-35/images-from-cybertron-con-new-transformers-products-panel---scourge-thunderwing-goldbug-jazz-170308/

Legends:
Goldbug!
Gun Megatron!!!

Scout:
Windcharger (red Mustang clone)

Dlx:
Special Ops Jazz (realistic Animated)
Perceptor (a halftrack and kind of a fatty)
Scourge (wow! A delta-wing futurey jet)
Thunderwing (reminds me of Energon Megatron, but those feet sticking out the back are "no")
"Turbo" Tracks (wow wow wow! And I think he's a Mazda!)

Voyager:
Grapple (remold of Inferno, good)
Lugnut (realistic Animated character, but very different I think)

Power Core Combiners:
Construction 5pack
Dinobot 5pack (!!!!!!!!! That thing is going to sell a million copies)

El Chuxter
07-30-2010, 02:37 PM
I'm guessing Legends Meg won't be available stateside. :(

"Me Grimstone! Cheap knockoff Grimlock! Me Grimstone get butt kicked!" :rolleyes:

JAZZ!!!!!! FINALLY!!!!!!
THUNDERWING!!!!! Makes me want to break out into the T Rex song. "Do ya thing, oh, oh, Thunderwing!"
Tracks, Perceptor, Windcharger, Scourge, and Grapple! Just when I think I'm out, they pull me back again!

Oh, next year will be a good time to be a Classics collector. :pleased:

JediTricks
07-30-2010, 02:42 PM
More pics, including Legends G1 Prime and Starscream, at Tformers:
http://tformers.com/transformers-1st-looks-jazz-tracks-thunderwing-perceptor-pcc-dinobots-g1-legends-more/14021/news.html

And a look at Masterpiece Rodimus Convoy/Prime:
http://tformers.com/transformers-new-looks-at-masterpiece-rodimus-convoy-robot-images/14022/news.html


Chux, there's no reason G1 Megs can't be released here, they just don't want it to be a realistic-sized gun. This should be no problem. Naturally it'll be super hard to find.

Grimstone isn't meant to be Grimlock, the thinking behind these PCCs is that Constructicons, Dinobots, those sub-groups that we know, those characters in them are just a taste of a larger army of them, and some can combine, some can't, some need drones to combine while others can be full combiners. I thought it was a fair bit of reasoning.

Yeah, Generations is going to be where it's at until Michael Bay's abortion of a movie comes out and puts the line back on hold.


BTW, Stealth Force is on pegs now, I spotted Megatron at Target last night, the least-stealthy of the bunch. But I like this line, it's vehicles transforming into armored vehicles, not robots. Also, there's a report that the new SWTFs are out including the TX-130 tank.

JediTricks
07-30-2010, 03:04 PM
Picking up where I had left off...

Funny, I was totally the opposite of you on Acid Storm. I dig the color scheme, and he looks nice as a background Seeker. I just wish either A) he'd been Sunstorm, or B) they'd release Sunstorm. (Preferably B, but after a wide-release Thundercracker.)Background seeker is what he is, but he's only in 1 episode in the background and he's not even the same deco there as the toy.

PLEASE NO MORE SUNSTORM! Talk about an overblown, overused background character! G1 mold as Sunstorm, Titanium 6" Sunstorm, Universe Sunstorm, Animated Sunstorm, Minicon Sunstorm, Armada-mold Sunstorm... Make it stop!


And, today, they marked him up another $5, but he's still unavailable for order.Yeah, that really bummed me out.


At Comic Con, JediTricks was there and witness to me asking Brian Wilks (formerly from the Star Wars Team) about:"Wilk", not Wilks.


1. Leader Class Blackout (A: If a helicopter is in Michael Bay's next movie - yes).That's not exactly what he said. It depends on the next movie, but not just if it's there, it has to be of some importance and to capture the attention of the larger consumer base. This is the same thing said about movies 1 and 2 Blackout. Don't get your hopes up TOO high just yet.


2. Human Alliance / Nemesis Decepticons like Sideways and Rampage and Scrapper. (A: Wait and see. There will be some surprises. They'd like more Decepticons in the HA line.)I can confirm this is the gist of what went down, no confirmations of anything but they understand the need, and I don't know if "there will be some surprises" is the right way to express it, makes it sound more definite where Wilk didn't even confirm the future of the line.


3. Scout Class BumbleBee, Sideswipe, Mudflap, Skids, etc. to accomodate Ironhide and Ratchet being scaled down to Deluxe. (A: They really like Bumblebee and how every version of him sells.) I read into the answer a positive result.This one I think you are reading too much into it, and I think I told you this right then and there.


Today I will ask in front of all the fans at the Hasbro TF pannel. :yes:Man was that a bummer, I sent Tycho up there at the right time to get in line early enough, but they stopped questions AT HIM! That was a disappointing panel all around though.




Hmmm...maybe I should have bought MP Grimlock at SDCC...

I finally found Drift, or Mary Sue Maximus as some of you were calling him I think? Alt mode is great but I don't think I like bot mode as much as some of you.

I also got Seaspray in the mail but I've been so wiped out by SDCC that I've only transformed him once.That's how I'm seeing Grimlock now too. :ermm:

Surprised you like the alt mode over the bot mode, the alt mode has some charm but IMO is too narrow and bloated at the rear end. The bot mode isn't particularly special in sculpt, but in attitude based on how it can move.

I want to get Seaspray but I keep blowing it off.

El Chuxter
07-30-2010, 03:14 PM
I'm not dissing the reasoning of the Power Core Combiners, but "Grimstone"? Dude, that is an awful name that reeks of "let's come up with something that's reminiscent of Grimlock."

I think Sunstorm--especially the weird "god Transformer" from the Dreamwave series--is overrated as a character, but the basic design is good and, hey, I can use all the Seekers I can get. :) If they do any more "generic" Seekers, I'd go with Sunstorm first, then get into new color schemes.

JediTricks
07-30-2010, 03:58 PM
Oh yeah, the name is dog crap. I suspect they were gonna name him "Brimstone" and then realized they JUST came out with a figure with that name, so scrambled.

I think the character is highly overrated. As for the figure, the only one I haven't felt was a hideous eyesore was the Animated version, which was mostly a darker orange, and it was still not that great-looking in my book. Too much yellow. And more seekers like this? http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/File:Rainmakers.jpg We already have Yellow and Blue in Sunstorm and TC... ok, I'm cheating but I really want them to make Thundercracker and finish the damn main 6. Get TC out then do whatever the hell they want, but TC is likely not coming anytime soon unless it's right after Dirge because next year we have Thunderwing and Hasbro doesn't want to confuse casual consumers with similar-sounding names (Sideways and Sideswipe apparently didn't bother them tho').

Tycho
07-31-2010, 05:05 PM
I got Human Alliance Jazz with Capt. Lennox at Target this morning.

They also had the Deluxe Prime and BumbleBee in their Cybertronian alt modes from the new video game.

figrin bran
07-31-2010, 11:07 PM
Tycho, how funny, I bought HA Jazz at Target today as well.

Tycho
08-01-2010, 02:09 AM
Tycho, how funny, I bought HA Jazz at Target today as well.

I want to find Mudflap but wondered if Hasbro pulled back on him for any reason (due to abyssmal sales of Skids?). Simmons isn't as exciting as Mikaela for obvious reasons, but we want both the twins, plus DECEPTICONS for this line:

Rampage with Sam Witwicky as Prisoner (Human Nemesis Line)

Sideways with Alice driver (Isabel Lucas) (Human Nemesis Line) and her Cybertronian form.

A Legends Ravage perhaps packed in - maybe even with a HN scaled Soundwave.

Scrapper - with an EU robot form and maybe another version of Lennox packed in.

I'm looking for movie DECEPTICONS in a scale do-able for this Alternator-substitute sized BayFormer line.

Michael Bay is awesome!

JediTricks pointed out that a characteristic of the line is the human figure interacts with the Cybertronian in 'bot mode.

Well, the bots could have prisoner cages for the good-guy human characters. Rampage was actually shown with his in the movie.

Ravage could launch out of Soundwave.

Alice is fine interacting with Sideways because they're both Decepticons like Frenzy and Barricade are.

JediTricks
08-01-2010, 02:28 AM
Wow, you guys both found it? I was at Target recently and no dice. :(

TRU LA Cienega had Battle Ops BB for $60. It's a pretty big one, I think this won't sell for crap but not because of the quality of the toy, just the price and the market is horribly oversaturated. But conceptually it had more going on, and the transforming gun hand KINDA makes sense now.


Tycho, I've heard that argument before, and I cannot accept it. That's nowhere near enough justification for an action figure, the figures are supposed to interact in MULTIPLE ways with the bots, not come with a human in a box. You are trying to put the cart before the horse. The existing figures can stand in the bots' hands, have dedicated weapons in multiple locations, and secondary seating. It'd make no sense to have Ron Witwicky interacting that way with a Decepticon.

Tycho
08-01-2010, 02:45 AM
JT, you need to then help me figure out a way to justify the smaller Decepticons that could be made for this line in that scale.

It's Autobots vs DECEPTICONS, remember.

Not GM's car show, though they could make Jolt with President Obama and Timothy Geithner bailout features.

JediTricks
08-01-2010, 03:51 PM
I cannot, I have given it thought, we have discussed it before, I cannot think of a reasonable justification. The only thing close that I have in mind right now is evil humans who rebel against humanity to join the Decepticons, but that's a lot of narrative to get across without entertainment support.

They could also do something like more Frenzy figures, more human-sized mini-robot companions, maybe include a clear humanoid "hologram" version as well, but it's still a lot of narrative. And ultimately, there just aren't many compelling Decepticons from the movie-verse that could fit the bill. Sideways isn't an eye-catcher, it needs casual consumer support (kids, really) and without entertainment support, kids get fickle quickly.

The problem is that you're trying to sell a $35 toy, that's a big pricepoint to get across, it needs a LOT of help. Recognizablity is very important. And ultimately, it's an immense risk, lots of development costs, especially tooling, so they are far less likely to jump into an idea like this than a $12 deluxe.

El Chuxter
08-01-2010, 09:22 PM
Found Drift and Thrust at Target today. They're about $3 cheaper than TRU and Wal-Mart at the moment.

figrin bran
08-01-2010, 11:22 PM
JT, it looks like you found HA Jazz today. I found mine at Glendale Target.

I have a feeling your review of it isn't going to be that great. Alt mode is pretty good but bot mode suffers from too much exposure on the sides, somewhat like Deluxe Ironhide.

Tycho
08-02-2010, 01:29 AM
Do you guys NOT want Decepticons on the HA size scale (the smaller D's obviously)?

Why don't you care if these HA Scale Decepticons ever get made?

JediTricks
08-02-2010, 03:54 AM
Found Drift and Thrust at Target today. They're about $3 cheaper than TRU and Wal-Mart at the moment.WM Duarte had tags out for $9 deluxes, they weren't in the system but I got them to sell me another Drift for that price.



JT, it looks like you found HA Jazz today. I found mine at Glendale Target.

I have a feeling your review of it isn't going to be that great. Alt mode is pretty good but bot mode suffers from too much exposure on the sides, somewhat like Deluxe Ironhide.I actually like this figure, the alt mode's ground clearance is less than a millimeter, but the stuff showing in the back isn't too bad. The seams are a bit of an issue, and the interior is the worst yet (poor Lennox is getting shot in the junk), but the alt mode works (it's a bit above scale but works with the other HA nicely none the less). The instructions are pure crap though, it's like they didn't even get to handle the figure before drawing them up, they missed the shoulder seat, got the bike transformation quite wrong, missed the fold-up headlight panel details, stopped the thigh armor transformation 90 degrees early, and start the transformation with a panel that can't move until the rear fenders are popped. I like the alt mode, it's a different take on HA than we're used to but it works alright IMO. I'll get into all that more tomorrow though.



Do you guys NOT want Decepticons on the HA size scale (the smaller D's obviously)?

Why don't you care if these HA Scale Decepticons ever get made?It has nothing to do with "want", whether or not I want something won't make a significant difference to its reality. I want a million bucks delivered to my door every day by Scarlett Johansson, I want to be allowed to drive 120mph at all times, I want to see Michael Bay brought up on charges at the Hague - but none of that is really going to happen because it's unrealistic. Hasbro may have ideas on how to keep HA alive with more Decepticons added, but so far, they've kept to their pattern of Autobot releases and shown no future for the line. The number of reasons for why Decepticons are unlikely to work are myriad, starting with the fact that there aren't any more NOTABLE recognizable Decepticon characters in the movie-verse that could fit into this concept or pricepoint/scale, and continuing through the fact that Autobots outsell Decepticons especially in Japan, finally stopping on the high amount of risk from the tremendous tooling costs these things incur as it lays now becoming massively riskier the further away from the current concept it gets. Using everything I've learned from Hasbro Q&As, I still cannot come up with a strong argument for adding more Decepticons for it, not by a long shot. Ultimately, the problem isn't passion, it's not about what you desperately want, it's about good ideas to actually make it possible, and nobody here including yourself has any because it doesn't fit the line.

El Chuxter
08-02-2010, 04:19 PM
Opened Thrust and Drift today. Loving Thrust (especially the removeable jet thingies), but not seeing all the praise for Drift, who's just okay.

JediTricks
08-02-2010, 06:34 PM
Opened Thrust and Drift today. Loving Thrust (especially the removeable jet thingies), but not seeing all the praise for Drift, who's just okay.Drift is attitude, you have to work on the posing and such to get the most out of him. Without messing with poses and such, I agree that the figure is merely ok.

El Chuxter
08-02-2010, 07:00 PM
When I try to pose him, his other parts flop around and look stupid.

My daughter told me to "play" with Thrust and Drift. I told her it wouldn't be fair; any Decepticon could mop the floor with that emo pretty boy. Even freaking Laserbeak could decimate him in a matter of ten seconds.

JediTricks
08-02-2010, 07:20 PM
When I try to pose him, his other parts flop around and look stupid.

My daughter told me to "play" with Thrust and Drift. I told her it wouldn't be fair; any Decepticon could mop the floor with that emo pretty boy. Even freaking Laserbeak could decimate him in a matter of ten seconds.
Drift is "Peerless Below Heaven", so says his sword. And Thrust is all talk.

JediTricks
08-02-2010, 09:16 PM
Human Alliance Autobot Jazz with Captain Lennox (and motorcycle) - let's start with Lennox. This figure is fairly blah, but not as bad as the Epps figure. Lennox has tiny, beady eyes that are too close together. The head is sculpted very generic, totally unrecognizable as Josh Duhamel, a dull unhappy smirk on the face, has glossy caucasian paint, deli mustard-colored hair (also wrong for the character), and no neck because the head seems a touch too small for the figure. The body is a gray uniform with sculpted web gear painted black, and also unlike Epps it's not horribly out of scale to its legs. Articulation is standard for the line, which is to say, no torso joint but neck, shoulders, hips, knees. He is a woefully smaller scale than Jazz, standing next to or sitting inside of Jazz's Pontiac Solstice mode it's like looking at a little kid, the Solstice only comes up to an adult's waist, but on this figure it's to his neck! This is more a scale problem with Jazz and the bike actually, but since there's less Lennox, he is the odd man out. Lennox sits adequately inside the Solstice (there really aren't seats, the interior is a lot of cheating), and while he can straddle the bike and not look too bad, his hands don't orient to the grips so you have to fudge it. I'll cover how he interacts with the other stuff in the other parts of the review.

The bike isn't as bad as I feared, it's designed low enough that it doesn't come too far out of scale to Lennox even though it's longer than it should be. The gas tank is an odd, oversized disk shape, and there's a large arm acting as the very low kickstand on the right rear, and the faring swoops way further back than a normal bike, but otherwise this is decent as a bike. Unfortunately, the designers couldn't find a better place for the missile, so they pegged it to the left side of the bike where it's just a missile ramming into the ground. There's also a transformation joint in the middle that won't close those last few degrees, but this isn't too obvious, especially with a rider. The bike has a clear windshield, a nice touch. The bike transforms into Jazz's gun-hand, the instructions get it wrong though, not noticing that the front AND rear wheel both pivot backwards for transformation. From the front, it's pretty much Jazz's weapon, from the side it's a folded up motorcycle with its front-end bent down. The front of the gun accommodates the last inch of the 3-inch projectile, it's a lot of missile sticking out the front. The bike's seat in gun mode reveals a second set of handlebars, and the figure can not grip them properly either, but if you want Lennox riding Jazz's gun, it's meant to be something you can do.

Here are some adequate source images of Jazz, mostly in bot mode, and 1 of Megan Fox in front of a non-customized Solstice to give you a ROUGH idea of scale, you can also see some of the subtle design changes made late in the game to the Jazz bot mode: http://jalopnik.com/260986/transformers-movie-update-pontiac-builds-excitement-with-high+res-pics-of-jazz-megan-fox

Jazz in alt mode is a Pontiac Solstice. Like Jazz himself, the Solstice was killed brutally, not by Megatron but by economic downturn and GM woefully mismanaging the Pontiac brand into the grave. The Solstice is a redress of GM's Saturn Sky, which itself was a design the Saturn brand bought from British Vauxhall's co-design with Lotus. The Solstice is a small sports car, sized around the region of the Mazda Miata, or the BMW Z3; the Solstice is normally offered as a soft-top roadster, but Jazz is a custom hard-top coupe which differs greatly from the production coupe which came a couple years after the movie. Annnnyway, this alt mode of Jazz is a silver-gray plastic with blue windows and black wheels. The only painted details are silver stripes for the A pillars on the windshield, black on the front grille, and red for the Pontiac logo and opaque brake lights. Oh, wait, I forgot, there's a copper stripe on the front brake disks, but not in the right spot, they're well off from the molded calipers. The blue glass elements are very blue, the rear window goofs though with a rear center stripe and clear outer side glass. The front headlights and fog lights are clear plastic, supposedly there's a frosted variant out there for this. The undercarriage kibble sits ON the ground with less than a millimeter of clearance, the kibble isn't visually an issue except at the rear where it's a black and copper block, not too bad. In terms of sculpt, the details are there, the rear end feels a little simplistic, but the lines are all there in general. The sculpted details are a little soft for this scale, like this was scaled up 20%, but it's not too bad. The car has more panel lines than I'm used to in Human Alliance though, mainly because it's less of a shellmaster than the others. The doors open nicely, inside is a joke, a steering wheel and 2 gauges, everything else is either kibble or open gaps in the floor, but the figure can sit in there with his hands on the wheel and his back pegged into the seatback.

Transformation starts with a huge problem, the rear deck is supposed to be lifted up, but it's tabbed on the sides into the fenders and pegged at the back into the fenders so 1 can't move without the other, kind of a catch-22, which makes starting the transformation very frustrating. Once you get past that though, the rest is more intuitive than the instructions suggest - and the instructions are dead wrong about the hip armor and chest panels, and totally miss the shoulder guns being the pointy detail bits from the movie design. The legs and arms unfold rather plainly, but the car doors as arms works better than expected thanks to a folding-over bit. They fully cheated the design though, the movie bot has the arms totally from different parts, with the front fenders as the forearms, but this is more organic since the wheels are still the shoulders. The torso comes together in an interesting way, the front end totally rotating around the Z axis and then locking diagonally into the spine, using a plate to cover the torso similarly to HA Bumblebee. Transformation back is easier, but has a bit more effort to get right for panels that lock into other stuff.

Jazz's bot mode is much more of a traditional Transformer than the other movie characters. Since the car is so small, more of the car IS the bot rather than covering it, the doors becoming forearms is a good example. And there's no digitigrade chicken legs. The face and sculpted details here are still movie-derived, and there is still kibble at the backpack made up from the hood and roof, but there's also more coverings and solid parts too. Jazz is a little bulkier than I expected even at the legs (the knees are thinner than the rest but don't look too bad), and while he's not as sleek as the movie model, there's enough suggestion at the hips and shoulders that he seems different, he's also got different hands (yes, Jazz finally earns some hands) in a circle of 4 fingers each. The upper body has a lot of detail, while the lower body has less detail and isn't as sharp, but again, the plate design helps carry this. From the side, the figure's torso has a gap to it that seems like it could have been filled in, but it's fairly unnoticeable unless both arms are raised and you're looking from the side. The feet straight up cheat, leaving the wheels outside at the heels, but they raise the wheels up juuuust enough and add heelspurs so there's no rollerskate action, but the gap at the heel looks like the wheel was supposed to go there and just ran out of budget. There are details from the movie, especially at the feet and head. In terms of colors, still a lot of silver but now a lot of black too, and plenty of bronze details, as well as a black Autobot logo on the waist. In terms of size, he's a bit over 7" tall, I haven't tried him with any of the other HA yet but while he should be smaller than any except Sideswipe, I'll bet he's not small enough since his alt mode is a larger scale too.

Jazz has a decent amount of articulation. The head is only a swivel, but the shoulders are universal joints (rotation and hinge); the elbows are actually a rotation joint that slides out, then a hinge, then another hinge on the opposite axis which can fold nearly 180 and is easily missed since that first hinge could be an elbow if you rotate the forearms. The hands rotate around their circle, and from transformation can bend outward a little. No waist articulation. The hips are universal joints with the hinge off-center so his stance gets wider as his legs move outwards. The knees are a standard hinge, and above them is a small side-hinge with only a few degrees range for a flatter stance. Finally, the "boots" are on a rotation. A lot of thought went into the types of articulation, he's not as good as some of the others, but the articulation he has is much more realistic, moving off-center at the shoulders and hips makes more natural poses, and it's easy to balance thanks to an inner swiveling heelspur - I've got mine on my desk standing on 1 leg with the other doing a wicked high side-kick and he is pretty solid.

In terms of gimmicks, Jazz has a nice array. Firstly, a small tab on the back of his head draws his blue visor into his head, revealing his gold upper face and movie-verse eyes - a gimmick designed to the CGI character which I don't think even got used in the movie - and it's really slick here. Next are the Human Alliance weapons, there's a slot behind his head for Master Blaster action. There's a peg on his left hand for Lennox to stand on. The pointy detail things turn around to become ball-jointed blasters. There's a seat on the left shoulder that flips up for Lennox (the instructions omit this seat entirely) and a longer gun behind Jazz's head that unfolds to sit on Lennox's shoulder. Then there's the fold-down attack feet, with the front of the shins having fold-out cannons and acting as a harness for a figure to sit in on each foot - that bit is downright weird. And finally, the motorcycle that transforms into a gun can be pegged into either forearm, and honestly it's not a bad-looking gun for Jazz, but it's too long to be believable as an extension of his forearm as they're trying to suggest. For every single station where the Lennox figure can sit, they sculpted simple grips, from the feet stations to the bike-gun, even the shoulder station has a grip on the side of the shoulder gun!

All in all, I don't know if I can say that Jazz is the best of the line, but he's the newest, and I like him. The alt mode is a little more satisfying than Bumblebee's, and the transformation is less of shellmaster which is good. There are a few little issues, but lots of issues where something was right in a way that previous Human Alliance figures didn't get right. It's got good detail and nifty gimmicks, a nice accessory, good poseability and great balance. I would recommend this figure, and probably give it a strong B+ grade.

figrin bran
08-03-2010, 09:57 PM
I'm not really buying into the attitude of Drift as he trails Animated Blurr and Arcee, even Swoop in that department by a wide margin.

At least I was able to figure out the windshield hinges on HA Jazz because Drift has them as well.

As for HA 'Cons, I'm sorry but there really aren't many that I would want.

El Chuxter
08-03-2010, 10:42 PM
I ordered Seaspray to get free shipping on a Joan Jett Barbie for my daughter. (No kidding. She loves Joan Jett. I have to encourage such awesomeness.) I figure it's probably about $2 more than I could eventually get him for at WM or Target, but the difference more than makes up for the shipping costs. (Though, even had I paid for shipping, TRU's online sale was still about $8 less than Wal-Mart.)

JediTricks
08-04-2010, 08:49 PM
I'm not really buying into the attitude of Drift as he trails Animated Blurr and Arcee, even Swoop in that department by a wide margin.

At least I was able to figure out the windshield hinges on HA Jazz because Drift has them as well.

As for HA 'Cons, I'm sorry but there really aren't many that I would want.
HA Jazz doesn't have an abnormally-hinged windshield, it's a standard hinge at the front. Do you mean the hood? Or do you mean the side windows?


So, on Jazz, I set him up yesterday with the other 3 Human Alliance figures I have. First off, I noticed Lennox is the only human without a torso joint. Why the motorcycle-riding figure has no torso joint is beyond me. But I was right that he's a pinheaded figure, it's REALLY bad.

Second, Jazz's scale isn't as far off as I thought, maybe 10% too big compared to the other bots. He stands taller than Sideswipe but a little shorter than Bumblebee.

Finally, I am going to say something controversial: Jazz is the best Human Alliance figure in the line. He's got good detailing on the upper half, less kibble, less weirdness overall, less backpack than the Autobots, is more stable, more whole, more weapon stations, the bike turns into a more satisfying hand weapon than the others' spring-loaded weapons. Just better overall, I don't have Skids or Mudflap to be sure, but it seems pretty obvious.

El Chuxter
08-05-2010, 03:11 PM
Just saw reports of Grimlock sightings in the wild at WTF2005, complete with the requisite obnoxious "pics or it didn't happen" comments, followed by "okay, i haven't uploaded them yet" and grainy but unaltered photos of Grimlocks on the shelves.

Take my word for it, and you don't have to read the complaints there. Instead of complaints, you can gaze upon Michael McDonald's beard, which is a much better use of your pointless staring time.

figrin bran
08-05-2010, 11:28 PM
Just saw reports of Grimlock sightings in the wild at WTF2005, complete with the requisite obnoxious "pics or it didn't happen" comments, followed by "okay, i haven't uploaded them yet" and grainy but unaltered photos of Grimlocks on the shelves.

Take my word for it, and you don't have to read the complaints there. Instead of complaints, you can gaze upon Michael McDonald's beard, which is a much better use of your pointless staring time.


See, it's not just SW collectors that act like that! :p

Tycho
08-06-2010, 02:10 AM
I still need Human Alliance Mudflap. I have never seen him!

JediTricks
08-06-2010, 03:52 PM
Mudflap was in wave 5, the last of the old packaging style, so it got caught in the resetting of the line and was produced short. There are currently no waves planned with the new packaging for him, but there may be in the future. You could ask a question about that in TF Q&A instead of just inundating us over there with a list of information we have no use for there.


BTW, Amazon is clearancing HA Skids for $23.05 right now.

figrin bran
08-07-2010, 12:49 AM
TFA Rodimus and Ironhide have been spotted so I guess I'll be hunting for those and MP Grimlock tomorrow.

JediTricks
08-07-2010, 01:40 PM
I'm running low on funds, or I'd totally make a run for TFA Rodimus too.

El Chuxter
08-07-2010, 01:51 PM
I'm low on funds, what with this being the month teachers don't get paychecks, and having to pay a hefty vet bill for my cat a month ago, and my daughter's upcoming birthday party. But I've already decided that, whenever I find the damned thing, I will charge Grimlock and pay interest on him for a month. (Same for Jabba. But that's why I'm not even considering an AT-AT now.) :D

Tycho
08-07-2010, 06:26 PM
You could ask a question about that in TF Q&A instead of just inundating us over there with a list of information we have no use for there.


But I can't be more annoying if I only ask legitimate questions!

Still, thank you for the information about the packaging change. You'd think that they'd re-issue Mudflap to get their money's worth out of the tooling for him and Simmons.

figrin bran
08-07-2010, 08:33 PM
TFA Rodimus and Ironhide have been spotted so I guess I'll be hunting for those and MP Grimlock tomorrow.

Well so much for that. Struck out at Los Feliz and La Cienega TRU's.

At least I picked up a few Joe POC figures.



But I can't be more annoying if I only ask legitimate questions!

Still, thank you for the information about the packaging change. You'd think that they'd re-issue Mudflap to get their money's worth out of the tooling for him and Simmons.

Tycho, something I got from JT's interview with Derryl and this was regarding CW Thi-Sen/TX-20 is that Hasbro is just not able to react that quickly to these distribution shortages. While the last waves of HA on the old packaging were shipping, they already started work on the waves we see now.

Tycho
08-09-2010, 02:23 AM
Tycho, something I got from JT's interview with Derryl and this was regarding CW Thi-Sen/TX-20 is that Hasbro is just not able to react that quickly to these distribution shortages. While the last waves of HA on the old packaging were shipping, they already started work on the waves we see now.

I'm not sure what that means. Do you think we'll see Thi-Sen / TX-20 and HA Mudflap?

El Chuxter
08-09-2010, 08:58 PM
GRIMLOCK IS MINE!!!

Went to TRU today to get stuff for my daughter's birthday cake, and there he was.

I will post thoughts once I'm done drooling over the box. Would've been nice if I'd gotten my rewards certificate, or the $10 gift card for setting up a baby registry, but I wasn't going to pass on him and hope he'd still be there later.

JediTricks
08-09-2010, 09:56 PM
Didja stash it? I hope so.

El Chuxter
08-09-2010, 11:11 PM
No, I bought it. I'd rather pay more and use the gift cards on something later than to miss this. Teek, Jabba, and Grimlock: I now have all three of the exclusives that I'd probably go insane if I'd missed.

Haven't transformed him yet, but the range of articulation in dino mode is spectacular. I want six more.

El Chuxter
08-10-2010, 01:28 AM
Best. Toy. EVER!

Transformation is far more like the classic Grimlock than other Masterpieces have been. Basically the same transformation, with a couple of extra steps on the tail/robot legs. I could do without the light-up feature, but it's nice enough. Poseability is incredible.

I actually now wish I'd gotten Masterpiece Skywarp. Ah well. It looks like some of them on eBay are actually cheaper than they were in-store. I might get him, after all.

Chaddymac
08-10-2010, 12:36 PM
Best. Toy. EVER!

Transformation is far more like the classic Grimlock than other Masterpieces have been. Basically the same transformation, with a couple of extra steps on the tail/robot legs. I could do without the light-up feature, but it's nice enough. Poseability is incredible.

I actually now wish I'd gotten Masterpiece Skywarp. Ah well. It looks like some of them on eBay are actually cheaper than they were in-store. I might get him, after all.
Well, Chux - the light up feature probably won't last long. The wire connecting the fist to the battery compartment gets yanked a lot during transformation and came loose on mine. I need a sodering iron to get it reconnected. *grumble, grumble*

figrin bran
08-17-2010, 01:38 AM
A friend up in WA got TFA Rodimus for me so I don't have to search everywhere for him like I did for TFA Arcee.

However, I still need to find MP Grimlock and I'm definitely regretting not purchasing him at SDCC. Something tells me now that my local TRUs may not get very many of him.

El Chuxter
08-17-2010, 08:12 AM
I can keep my eyes open, figgy, but I can't buy anything that big until next month. Circumstances beyond my control have made August a somewhat cash-strapped month, and it certainly doesn't help that I got Grimlock and several other toys earlier in the month for myself.

figrin bran
08-17-2010, 10:55 AM
Don't worry about it, Chux. I'll get Grimlock somehow.

Tycho
08-17-2010, 02:34 PM
I'll keep an eye out for Grimlock for you too, Figrin.

In other news, here's the majority of my collection inspired by the Awesome Mr. Michael Bay who made my dreams of a live-action Transformers movie come true!

Thank you Mr. Bay!

Tycho
08-17-2010, 02:46 PM
And to join the pictures above, here are some more from ROTF.

Not pictured are my Alternators, my RPMs, and most of my Legends, as well as the Ice Cream Truck combiner Mudflap / Skids pursuing Sideways, along with the Arcee Triplets.

Tycho
08-17-2010, 02:55 PM
Oh - here are my RPMs!

Darth Metalmute
08-17-2010, 07:30 PM
I know it's old, but somehow I missed it. Where was the Masterpiece Megatron from and when was it released?

El Chuxter
08-18-2010, 12:42 AM
A couple of years ago, and not in the US. The new laws that cover toy guns prevented him from being sold unless someone (individual or small vendor) had it shipped from Japan. As I understand it, any that were actually shipped directly from Japan had to be opened and have part of the figure painted orange so as to never be confused with a giant Walther P-38. The one I got at Comic-Con, well, I never asked how the guy got a few of them here unaltered.

Tycho
08-18-2010, 04:23 AM
My Megatron is unaltered, as well.

The owner of my comic book shop (the one I took you to Chuxter) is an ex-Navy guy who must have been stationed in Japan. He loves all things Japanese, like his wife and ex-wife, and half-Japanese daughter. With family in Japan and a love for the country, I suspect he makes trips and has close family and friends help him get things like unaltered Megatrons. He's had quite a few of those MPs in the past, but I think something like 20 or more of them sold through.

He's carrying Grimlock right now. I don't know how much he's asking for him either.

I paid $115 after tax for Megatron, but I believe he may have discounted the figure for me. However, my Japanese edition MP Starscream (which I intentionally opted for over the traditional colors that I bought for Chuxter and Figrin I think - as that was what they desired) was also around $100 (from Hobbylink Japan based on a recommendation from JediTricks if I recall).

Anyway, to this day, MP Optimus Prime remains my favorite Transformer of all time and Chux here got him for me. :thumbsup: (Thank you!)

JediTricks
08-18-2010, 09:58 PM
A friend up in WA got TFA Rodimus for me so I don't have to search everywhere for him like I did for TFA Arcee. Congrats on Rodimus. Have you gotten it yet, and if so, how is it?

If you find another, could you stash or pick it up for me? I'll stash you an MP Grimlock if I see it.



A couple of years ago, and not in the US. The new laws that cover toy guns prevented him from being sold unless someone (individual or small vendor) had it shipped from Japan. As I understand it, any that were actually shipped directly from Japan had to be opened and have part of the figure painted orange so as to never be confused with a giant Walther P-38. The one I got at Comic-Con, well, I never asked how the guy got a few of them here unaltered.That's not accurate, it's not a part of him that had to be painted orange, it was a permanently-affixed blaze-orange plug set in the barrel. If sold as a replica or for stage use, it's not regulated as a toy. If imported, it's not heavily regulated either. It's just that the imports got so common that it started to get noticed - it's a toy after all. So then shipments started getting held up at customs after a while, and then Takara released the blaze-orange plugs which were removable, which worked for a while, but now those aren't acceptable once they got wind that the plugs just come right back out.

Last year I was on the hunt for the sub-$100 Megatron at Comic-Con, only found them at Botcon, SDCC wanted more, but this year just wandering I saw less and they were all pushing $200. I honestly don't even care $100, just wanted it for Prime, but it's just not as good so I gave up and don't mind.

El Chuxter
08-18-2010, 10:07 PM
You just live to correct me when I'm wrong, even in the slightest detail, don't you? ;)

The guy I got mine from has been in the same place the last few years. He was a row or two from the far north side of the convention, and had some amazing deals alongside some major ripoffs. I got Megatron for $90, IIRC, but he also had GIJoe comic packs for $25 and up which were easily found at retail for $10. I don't believe he's had any Megatrons for the past two years, though.

JediTricks
08-18-2010, 10:11 PM
You just live to correct me when I'm wrong, even in the slightest detail, don't you? ;)I can't help that you're wrong THAT MUCH. :p If you didn't post in the same threads as me, it wouldn't come up as often. :D


The guy I got mine from has been in the same place the last few years. He was a row or two from the far north side of the convention, and had some amazing deals alongside some major ripoffs. I got Megatron for $90, IIRC, but he also had GIJoe comic packs for $25 and up which were easily found at retail for $10. I don't believe he's had any Megatrons for the past two years, though.I think I spotted one in '08 for that price, and when I came back a few hours later, it was sold. That happens A LOT to me on Sundays, I try not to sweat it. Convention sellers drive me nuts when they have really awful prices on 90% of their stuff and then have fantastic pricing on something else, I spent YEARS dealing with that crap at the regular Frank & Son semi-weekly shows out here before I realized I had to stop feeding the scalpers.

El Chuxter
08-18-2010, 10:12 PM
Well, if it helps, what I said before about Megs and orange paint was exactly how it was relayed to me a few years ago.

figrin bran
08-18-2010, 10:12 PM
Congrats on Rodimus. Have you gotten it yet, and if so, how is it?

If you find another, could you stash or pick it up for me? I'll stash you an MP Grimlock if I see it.


Of course, JT. And no, I haven't received it yet. I didn't think TFA Ironhide would be tough to come by so I didn't ask him to get one. Hopefully I'm right on that one!

JediTricks
08-18-2010, 10:20 PM
Well, if it helps, what I said before about Megs and orange paint was exactly how it was relayed to me a few years ago.The law does allow blaze-orange paint to be applied to the tip as long as it's over an inch from the barrel (the barrel plug itself can be recessed slightly too), but that regulation isn't holding up so well when the paint is applied on top of an existing paintjob because it can be taken back off. Plus, nobody was going to buy a Megatron figure that had an inch of paint on it.


Of course, JT. And no, I haven't received it yet. I didn't think TFA Ironhide would be tough to come by so I didn't ask him to get one. Hopefully I'm right on that one!Considering how weak TFA Cybertron Ratchet did at market, I'm surprised they even tried. I bet Ironhide will be harder to get just by the merit of being a new character though with a new head. But I don't predict Arcee-level difficulties.

JediTricks
08-18-2010, 10:30 PM
I forgot to mention, I picked up SWTF Republic Fighter Tank / Clone Gunner and Seaspray last week.

The Fighter Tank isn't too bad, though it's a big shell and the underside is partly hollow. The robot mode is super boxy to the point of looking a bit silly, and the hip joints are a little frustrating because of sag. The paint in bot mode is SUPER lazy. Overall, it's not terrible, but it's got the stink of mediocrity this line so often suffers from.


Seaspray is a bit too small, that bothers me right out of the gate. The detailing on him reeks of Classics, not the movie line he's in, except for his digitigrade chicken legs below the knee. The vehicle mode is pretty tepid, simplistic and a bit disappointing, and again, too small. Bot mode is better, a lot of aquatic themes, decent articulation, and enough articulation that it can do swimming poses. The bot head has no eyes, it's a clear light-piped scuba mask that has no detail inside, that's disappointing. This doesn't feel like a mainline figure for the movie line, but as an addition to Classics it's not terrible, just not great.

El Chuxter
08-18-2010, 10:31 PM
As (apparently) the only person on Earth who saw more than one Arcee on more than one occasion, y'all want me to watch for Animated Ironhide and Hot Rodimus?

JediTricks
08-18-2010, 10:32 PM
As (apparently) the only person on Earth who saw more than one Arcee on more than one occasion, y'all want me to watch for Animated Ironhide and Hot Rodimus?
Sure, that'd be awesome, thanks! The funny thing is, once Arcee was stashed for me, I saw her in the wild twice more (lucky since the first time after I had to buy so I could confidently return the original one that had a defect).

El Chuxter
08-18-2010, 10:34 PM
Oh, and since you reminded me of Seaspray....

I kind of like him. He's not my favorite, and I totally agree he seems more Classics than Movie. I transformed him once, then put him back into robot mode; I wasn't particularly impressed with hovercraft mode, either. I noticed there were a few mistransformations on him in the package; I prefer the legs mistransformed the way he was packaged, but he doesn't stand up well. Pretty good--sort of like Powerglide, a decent, oversized update to a classic figure.

figrin bran
08-18-2010, 11:02 PM
As (apparently) the only person on Earth who saw more than one Arcee on more than one occasion, y'all want me to watch for Animated Ironhide and Hot Rodimus?

Sure, I suppose but I won't feel a huge loss if I don't have TFA Ironhide in the collection. Alt mode on Cybertron Ratchet was extremely underwhelming and I expect Ironhide to be the same.

Actually, Chux I'm more concerned about finding POC Spirit and Quick Kick.

JT, I totally neglected to ask at SDCC but seeing as how none of the other remaining TFA toys were on display, can we assume that they're pretty much axed?

JediTricks
08-19-2010, 03:22 PM
Oh, and since you reminded me of Seaspray....

I kind of like him. He's not my favorite, and I totally agree he seems more Classics than Movie. I transformed him once, then put him back into robot mode; I wasn't particularly impressed with hovercraft mode, either. I noticed there were a few mistransformations on him in the package; I prefer the legs mistransformed the way he was packaged, but he doesn't stand up well. Pretty good--sort of like Powerglide, a decent, oversized update to a classic figure.His mistransformed ankle panels from the packaging have a bump to cover a hole in vehicle mode, that bump makes the back of the foot not sit flat, so it kills the foot. You might be able to shave off that bump so the foot stands flat, but it may not be worth it.


JT, I totally neglected to ask at SDCC but seeing as how none of the other remaining TFA toys were on display, can we assume that they're pretty much axed?I forgot to write up the material I took notes for from that panel, it was considerably underwhelming. I believe the issue came up and they said they are looking for a home, but for the time being they are not moving forward with them.

figrin bran
08-19-2010, 11:55 PM
-Hasbro says any scout can fit onto Seaspray but I find that Legends class are more to scale with Seaspray.

-JT, I guess I'm glad I missed the SDCC TF panel.

TRU.com has a listing for TFA Ironhide...actually a partial listing...the photo is TFA Ironhide but the description is for Force Battlers Grievous. It's "out of stock" anyhow but it would be great to have the UPC for Ironhide just in case it ever restocks.

JediTricks
08-20-2010, 12:27 AM
"Almost" any Scout is how they put it, it's a fairly narrow box area, should fit most wheeled scouts but some other kinds won't fit for sure. It's just meant to interact with Breacher, that's what they're trying to say without saying.

Yeah, that SDCC panel was some weak sauce compared to last year's. No big revelations, and waaaay too much focus on War for Cybertron which has nothing new to say in toys.

If the descrip is FB Grievous and the title matches, that's what you'll get.

Tycho
08-20-2010, 12:24 PM
When does Breacher come out?

JediTricks
08-20-2010, 02:01 PM
Soon. They don't have set dates, but should be any day now. Insecticon too.

El Chuxter
08-20-2010, 04:45 PM
Just checked TRU.com, and Grimlock's in stock! Great news!

This, however, has made me lose any faith in their "e-mail me when available" feature, as I've received nothing for an item that's sure to not last very long.

El Chuxter
08-20-2010, 04:45 PM
And, holy crap, in the time it took me to post this, it went from "In stock" to "E-mail me when available."

JediTricks
08-20-2010, 05:24 PM
And, holy crap, in the time it took me to post this, it went from "In stock" to "E-mail me when available."
In stock right now: http://www.toysrus.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3870072

I just realized, this is the first Hasbro US Transformer to say "Masterpiece", isn't it?

El Chuxter
08-20-2010, 05:44 PM
Bizarre.

First, I looked for it when checking my daughter's gift registry. It was in stock.

I posted the news here, then refreshed the page, and it was out of stock again.

Then JT posts it's in stock, I check, and it's out of stock again.

Are they allocating one Grimlock at a time for the internet? :)

figrin bran
08-20-2010, 11:02 PM
MP Grimlock is not actually in stock. I tried adding it to the cart but then I get "The following item: has limited inventory. We've adjusted the quantity below to reflect the number we have available"

It seems they may be using HTS's allocating method for the SDCC Sgt. Slaughters?

JediTricks
08-23-2010, 11:44 PM
MP Grimlock is not actually in stock. I tried adding it to the cart but then I get "The following item: has limited inventory. We've adjusted the quantity below to reflect the number we have available"

It seems they may be using HTS's allocating method for the SDCC Sgt. Slaughters?
That sucks, sorry it was a bad lead.


TRU Los Feliz had the new HFTD voyager wave 2s, Battle Blades Optimus Prime and Banzaitron. I considered BBOP for a while but ultimately passed, it looks decent but I want to hear a few reviews before deciding.

After a year+ of scanning for sale pricing and failing, there was a sale tag for TFA voyagers and they had 1 left, Lugnut. The sale tag though said they were normally $35 and down to $22, standard TRU shenanigans, but I scanned anyway and it was $13! After all this time, I finally own Lugnut! It's a nifty figure, lots of character, pretty fun gimmicks and luckily they work on mine.

figrin bran
08-24-2010, 09:58 PM
WFC Megatron is up on HTS right now in case anyone can't wait to get him.

figrin bran
08-27-2010, 11:34 PM
I finally got my TFA Rodimus from my friend yesterday. He is as solid as any deluxe in the TFA line and definitely very poseable. The only flaws that come to mind are that the energy bow tends to limit the elbow articulation and in alt mode, much like with Classics Rodimus, there is a large gap. On classics, the gap was where you could store the blaster doubling as an exhaust pipe but here there is nothing like that.

Still, he is worth the time and effort to track down! Right now I think I give him an A-/B+

figrin bran
09-02-2010, 01:03 AM
I had a $25 Walmart card and decided to use it on HA Sideswipe after seeing that the HA SS in future assortments is going to be a repaint.

JediTricks
09-03-2010, 03:57 PM
Bikerscout just reported to me that he found HA Sideswipe at Ross La Cienega for $15, you may want to pick it up and return it to WM, get half your cash back. The gas used might eat that savings up though. ;)

TFA Rodimus and Ironhide are now listed as $14.99 on the TRU site, still sold out. I really want that Rodimus, haven't seen any signs, stupid Ratchet has clogged the pegs.


I found HftD Scout wave 2 yesterday at TRU, I bought Breacher and Insecticon, left Oil Pan (a repaint of Brakedown).

Insecticon is supposed to be the tiny fly guys from the 2nd movie yet is not only much bigger, but notably different in design and coloring, so it's really its own thing. Bot mode is short even for a Scout-class, and has no hands proper, but a pair of separate pincer on each rotating shoulder that end in points. The head is a fairly classic take on an insect-bot-man, mandibles sculpted to cover the mouth, beady red eyes. The figure has a solid aesthetic, numerous little nozzles and a few tight croppings of tech detailing, and the deco carries a specific alien robot insect message as well - olive drab with milky gray and blue wings is a dull color scheme though. Articulation is decent, though the ball jointed shoulders on the larger rotating shoulder can be too much at times. The bot holds together well except for each shoulder panel which rotates a little on its transformation arm since it doesn't lock down.

Transformation is made to look complex in the instructions, but is really just rotating the back down, then the chest and head up, and locking the shoulders into the thorax (oh, and there's a notch to rotate the last segment of the gaster, a small but nice add). Naturally the instructions still manage to get it wrong.

Insect mode is fairly standard for a modern insect-bot, and has 6 legs on points articulated at ball-jointed shoulders and hinged knees (the front set have hinged feet-points as well). The size becomes standard Scout-class here. Not a lot of personality, it's a red camera eye between 2 sets of mandibles and a little tech detailing on a small hinged head. The figure holds together well thanks to the shoulders locking into the thorax. The colors and sculpting are unchanged here, though the small black Decepticon logos on the wing roots is an interesting touch. The wings are translucent and unfortunately sport large-ish, sculpted copyright texts on the underside leading edge of each. The detailing does change orientations, the top taken over by the wings and large round gaster at the back, the underside is about the legs and a number of sculpted thrust nozzles (compensating for the stubby wings). The gaster sports a silver disc full of techy detail on either side.

Overall, I'd give this an unenthusiastic "B" grade. It's not inspired, but neither is it insipid, it's just a tad unexciting. For movieverse, it does what its needs to adequately.


Breacher is nothing short of incredible. Vehicle mode is a 6-wheeled armored SWAT-type vehicle with a significant turret gun on top. Detailing is terrific, and the scale suggests a pretty big vehicle, no notable gaps or hollow spots that ugly it up. Colors are nearly all police blue plastic, some silver accents, red lights at the back, and a few white numbers and Autobot symbols. It even rolls well. The turret rotates and the gun elevates (technically it can actually lift up and rotate on a ball joint, but that's for bot mode). The vehicle only fits on Seaspray's hovercraft mode if you lift the rear ramp all the way up and open the drive fans, which isn't stable in the least.

Transformation would be exciting for a Deluxe, so for a Scout it's downright amazing. It's complex, with panel folding and parts rotation, and generally feels clever the whole way through. Going back to alt mode requires a little panel massaging and some thought.

Bot mode is a solid, well-executed Scout with a light-armor theme. There isn't much kibble, and what's there is turned into armor plates. Sculpted detail is good, making use where it can of the alt mode, and adding tech detailing to new bits. The look is anti-movieverse, it's a modern classic TF style all the way around. If I had an issue with the overall look, it'd be that the back is fairly open and small compared to the rest, but it's pretty minor a thing. Colors add white and black to the blue, plus more red elements. Articulation is top notch, pretty much only lacking rotation at the thighs, there's a lot of ball joints but it doesn't look it except at the elbows, and the waist can rotate from transformation (though it's offset back a little so the more it's used, the odder it looks). The gun detaches from the turret, it's on a ball-jointed 3mm clip which can be stowed on the back or put on the hand over a 3mm punch-extender on either fist, there's also 3mm roundbar on either side of the buttplate and the top of each forearm shield kibble - the shields themselves can be detached from the forearms and "held" on the fists or stowed on the back as they're also on 3mm clips! The instructions don't mention the shield thing, it feels like an undocumented feature, but they also don't mention that the gun can be used this way which is downright strange.

Overall, Breacher gets an A+, I can't imagine this not being the gold standard and benchmark of Scout-class figures to come.


Masterpiece Grimlock, I got this for my birthday. First off, it's REALLY annoying to get out of the package the first time. I do not understand why Hasbro releases these collector-focused figures in the US with the least collector-friendly packaging possible. Multiple trays and boxes and shells, and no explanation for how to get the figure out. If you do cut the right tape though, and then fuss with the various trays and doodads, you can replace it in the packaging, but that first time out was a real chore. Using rattan instead of twisties is good though, but the feet are just slammed into the tray, you have to get tough with that bottom tray.

Grimlock is legendary. I never had him as a kid, I think I may have had Slag for a minute, but definitely not Grimlock. I was of course aware of the king of the Dinobots though, the character is legendary, even to fans who didn't care about the Dinobots. I was never a massive fan of Grimlock or the Dinobots, I kinda liked the idea but it never was a driving excitement for me. Grim's dino mode didn't appeal to me when I was a kid because it was robotic and a little simple, but when I finally got the Beast Wars Dinobot and Megatron molds, I liked them but I yearned for a robotic dinosaur, and that's when it clicked in my head that Grimlock was a cool robot dinosaur. The idea of giant robot dinos trashing your town makes for an exciting imaginative scenario (even if it is a rather pointless "disguise" mode - giant dinosaur robot becomes large humanoid robot).

MP Grimlock's alt mode is pretty impressive despite being a bit small for a Masterpiece. It takes the cartoon's shape and adds the details one would expect extrapolated from the G1 toy. There's no Inchman control station anymore, but there are metal claws on the feet with jets in the soles, a flamethrower inside the mouth, decent jointing on the legs and arms, and some puppet action which is more fun than expected. The swappable eyes gimmick here is totally opaque despite being on a clear system, but it looks good anyway - although I totally prefer the red eyes in both modes, screw the 'toon. By moving the tail side to side, the head swivels at the base of the neck quite a bit, it's totally fun puppet action - it's done by gears, and if the tail isn't pulled back a little the head doesn't move much, but when you get it all lined up it's boss. The mouth full of silver chrome teeth opens 2 clicks, and pushing the cheek causes it to snap shut, although it's a bit wimpy of a snap it's still fun. Pushing down on the body at the hips causes the head to rise slightly if it's pointed down, this is pretty lame, but if you put the head pointed all the way up instead and then push the body down, the head snaps down which is a much more satisfying gimmick. The 3 finger-claws move but are very close together, I wish they were splayed, and the wrist doesn't rotate, but otherwise it's all good at the arms, they didn't overdo it so it's more true to the original's style while adding more articulation. The use of chrome is just right, very classic, as is the gray coloring and various other colored bits, it's a great deco. The scale of the bot seems to be something that would go great with G1 or Classics figures rather than with larger Masterpiece figures. I can sorta see it fitting with Alternators/Human Alliance scale as well... I think I'll go feed Grimlock some movie people in a few minutes. http://www.tfviews.com/forums/images/smilies/icon_e_wink.gif Grims is pretty solid in this mode, although the tail pieces can get out of alignment playing with the puppet gimmick. Alt mode doesn't use ANY of his accessories, I'm glad they didn't bother with the brain transfer or bow tie or apron for this release, they're not what I'm looking for.

I never transformed the original, so I can't speak to whether or not it's true. This is a pretty simple transformation for a Masterpiece, but the legs keep it from being painfully simple, and there's a sliding gimmick that makes the Autobot symbol appear in the bot mode chest that's clever. It's also nice that the wings get a joint for "flapping" 1 stop. The second step of transformation makes Grimlock into a floppy mess until you get the legs sorted out, then he returns from the brink. There's a chance one or both hips will pop out during transformation, there's a clearance and a weight issue, but it's a ball joint, it doesn't care, it pops right back on. The head tucks away to the back much nicer than ANY previous Grimlock figure, it's still just hanging out between the wings but it tabs down and sits lower, it's simple but works (the tab is weak and it can come loose in bot mode tho'). Transforming back to dino mode is easy, but don't forget the tip of the tail, it's very easy to forget that.

Bot mode is a much leaner, meaner Grimlock than I'm used to, I've been poisoned by the last decade of Grimlock wannabes, too many of which were mediocre (Energon, Classics, Alternators, Titanium), so it is surprising to not see a gigantic chest or huge legs - the upper legs are almost petite even, but not really that out of scale to the chest. The bot mode feels a little unstable due to wiggle in the chest and some fit in the lower puzzle of leg and the head's tab not locking it tightly, but it is fairly stable actually, it more FEELS unstable. It doesn't help either that the upper body is where all the weight is, and the big claws now at the forearms are die-cast metal (the only other metal on this figure is the front and back of the crotch), what is it about Masterpiece Autobots being top-heavy? Grimlock has a solid look and good articulation, and 2 new gimmicks, plus he can use all his accessories. The sliding chromed eye panel is a good trick, and again, I prefer the red to the blue. The crown fits snugly but as accurate as it is, it's not quite delivering that "king Grimlock" comic look IMO. The blaster is cool and straightforward. The sword is red chrome handle with a clear blade, and a decent size. Both hand accessories can fit in the articulated-fingers left hand thanks to a small offset peg off the main peg. The right fingers are non-articulated (except the thumb) because it has an LED in the fist, press the back of the shoulder to light up either weapon - the sword looks way better than the gun for this, although I wish they had tinted it orange instead of leaving it clear since it's rather plain when not lit. The fist rotates and transforms like the left side, which is surprising given there's wiring in there. The big metal claws are now cuffs for the bot forearms, it doesn't entirely make sense to articulate them if they don't do anything with that in either mode, but by folding away the hands, the bot mode is given some big, heavy, nasty melee claw hands with jet nozzles in between, so that's got "imagination-help" charm. Articulation is very good, the knees are difficult to engage and the hips tend to want to de-transform when used, but they can be mastered. There's a little action in the feet on 2 axes, though I would have liked to see more tilt in the feet for an even wider stance.

At first, MP Grimlock seemed only "ok" for a $70 Masterpiece, he's not as detailed, not as complex, not as big, and not as tricky as the others in the line, but on his own he gains a ton of charm points, he delivers on the concepts set forth very smartly. MP Grimlock feels like an evolution of the G1 figure, bigger, better, more detailed, yet still true to what that character was about rather than trying to be something needlessly different and convoluted. I would absolutely recommend this figure on that basis. This is a figure that grows on you based on what it's saying and its charms, so it really needs time in your hands to appreciate it.

Overall grade would be an "A-" if you like the awesomeness that is Grimlock, or a "B-" if you are stodgy and don't love fun (or just aren't way into Grimlock and can't get past the pricetag).

Chaddymac
09-03-2010, 04:13 PM
I'm curious, since I've heard no other reports, if you have any issues with the wiring on MP Grimlock. The light mechanism died on mine on day 2 and I've been laboring to repair it ever since.

JediTricks
09-03-2010, 04:17 PM
I'm curious, since I've heard no other reports, if you have any issues with the wiring on MP Grimlock. The light mechanism died on mine on day 2 and I've been laboring to repair it ever since.
I remembered your post about the wiring and looked for troubles there, but have found none so far. Where was the issue specifically, in the bicep rotation joint, the elbow joints, or the wrist joints?

Chaddymac
09-03-2010, 04:48 PM
I remembered your post about the wiring and looked for troubles there, but have found none so far. Where was the issue specifically, in the bicep rotation joint, the elbow joints, or the wrist joints?
technically, it wasn't a specific joint. But all the twisting and turning during transformation pulled one of the wires out of contact with the LED. The wires themselves were fine, the LED was fine, but the contacts are useless.

JediTricks
09-03-2010, 07:04 PM
That sucks, sorry to hear it. Nothing of that has happened with mine so far, I've transformed it back and forth several times and haven't felt any resistance.

figrin bran
09-03-2010, 09:47 PM
I'm now a member of the MP Grimlock owners club! The packaging isn't as large as I thought it would be so I really should've just bought him at SDCC.

JT, I saw an HA Sideswipe at either Burbank Marshall's or TJ Maxx yesterday but didn't really want to bother with having to make another trip to WM.

I also picked up Legends class Longhaul at La Brea Target.

Oh, almost forgot, I also picked up a Voyager ROTF Screamer from Beverly Connection Ross for $11. I figured at just a bit over the deluxe retail price, why not?

JediTricks
09-04-2010, 04:02 PM
I was tempted by that Starscream back in the day because of its svelte jet profile, but the hands sticking out the back were a dealbreaker. How is it in person?

figrin bran
09-05-2010, 12:20 AM
I was tempted by that Starscream back in the day because of its svelte jet profile, but the hands sticking out the back were a dealbreaker. How is it in person?

JT, the F22 mode is pretty nice. Except for the hands sticking out. I'm not a big fan of the robot mode though and it looks like I'll be getting the Leader class Screamer to make up for it. The transformation is quite nifty but appearance wise, the bot mode is like a flat rectangular box with legs and arms. Spongebob Starscream if you will.

At least it was only $11!

JediTricks
09-06-2010, 03:48 PM
Thanks for the info, saved me eleven bucks. :D

figrin bran
09-06-2010, 05:46 PM
Thanks for the info, saved me eleven bucks. :D

Well, you've saved me a ton of money with your TF reviews so I guess I'm returning the favor a bit. :D

Tycho
09-07-2010, 04:43 AM
I'm looking forward to finding Breacher to go with my Seaspray, as JT posted a good review.

I just got that missile launcher dude (Deluxe) the other day. He came in vehicle mode and I just want to use him as a military vehicle to attack Devastator in my TF2 scene (w. Legends Class Mudflap and Skids fighting him) so I've never transformed the missile launcher guy. But I like his vehicle mode!

It's too bad that Armorhide and Brawn are only available in Deluxe Class. As Scouts or Legends, I'd really welcome adding them to this scene vs. "big Devastator."

I imagine Major Lennox commanding his men to move the artillery firing vehicles in while the awesome Mr. Michael Bay directs Josh Duhamel (the actor) and commands Mudflap and Skids to act even dumber. This was such an awesome scene in the movie!

That's it! They should make a Human Alliance Ultra toy out of Optimus Prime and include a Michael Bay action figure!

Tycho
09-10-2010, 10:12 AM
I got my HA Mudflap in the mail from Entertainment Earth yesterday!

Awesome!

Now I want "Human Nemesis" Decepticons made for this line!

Sideways with Alice
Rampage with Prisoner Sam Witwicky
Scrapper with Scorponok and / or Sam's Roommate

That'd be 4 Decepticons total then.

There are 5 Autobots.

This is a war that Barricade by himself would totally lose!

And to the naysayers:

Alice can use a "battle station" with Sideways' 'bot mode weapons the way most HA figures work.
Rampage can have a prisoner cage like in the movie - and HASBRO CAN TRY SOMETHING NEW.
Scorponok can launch off Scrapper's back the way he came off Blackout in the 1st movie. It's NEW.

I can think creatively. You'll find I'm much superior to droids.

Chaddymac
09-10-2010, 02:04 PM
Tycho - did you get Mudflap as part of a case assortment?

Tycho
09-10-2010, 06:36 PM
Tycho - did you get Mudflap as part of a case assortment?

No. I ordered him a while ago, by himself, and EE said he was on backorder.

They finally filled my order at least, and I hope those of others.

I think he cost me $34 and with shipping, about $40. That's OK considering I don't have to drive out and find him. - Actually, something must be less, because with tax, he worked out to be $44 I think.

Anyway, I'm done with the HA until they make more, new, cool additions to the line. Feels good! :yes:

Darth Metalmute
09-13-2010, 06:44 PM
I actually found a non Bumblebee/Skids HA figure at a store. I only had to go across the state to find it. Target in Cleveland had a HA Jazz in the new packaging.

figrin bran
09-18-2010, 09:12 PM
I got Breacher from TRU thanks to a stash from JT and Hailstorm from Target.

JediTricks
09-24-2010, 10:57 PM
Got Hailstorm and Sidearm Sideswipe at Target last night.

Hailstorm is a mess. He's small in both modes. His missiles are marble-shooter style and don't fire for crap despite his missiles being his KEY FEATURE! His alt mode has a really odd hollow cockpit. His transformation is interesting but makes him even shorter. His bot mode is just too odd, super short and gorilla-like bulk with long arms, but not intentionally a knuckle-dragger since his shoulders foist the missile boxes. Honestly, this feels to me like an outsider's work, someone who came in off of Marvel or SW TF Crossovers (not that this has any of the major flaws those lines have, don't get me wrong, there's no ridiculously crappy joints or telescoping limbs). I'd grade him a "C" at best, maybe a little lower even.

Sidearm Sideswipe is pretty cool. All new, he's somewhat similar in alt mode, but can deploy his guns slightly upward. Transformation is fascinating, totally different from before, it feels unique. Bot mode is quite cool, but the chest is a little oversized compared to the rest of the figure (the head seems pretty small, but that's more about the chest IMO), and the lower body is restricted by design elements that hamper the knee and hip joints. There's a lot of sculpted detail and a decent deco/aesthetic going on. The guns look cool and fit specifically in these hands. I'd give Sideswipe a "B" but caution that it's not a figure every fan will dig.

figrin bran
09-24-2010, 11:09 PM
I guess I forgot to weigh in on Hailstorm despite having had it for nearly a week now. Not that I had too much compelling to say about it though!

JT, another aspect I didn't like was that in alt mode, there's no way to pin the two halves of the front together.

JediTricks
09-25-2010, 03:56 PM
The feet on Hailstorm peg into their respective outer side shins, and once that's done and the thighs are lined up right, you can tab each foot into the crotch which aligns them. It's not perfect, but it works ok once you know to look for it.

JediTricks
10-01-2010, 05:31 PM
Finally got a Rodimus, and there was a Darkmount on the pegs next to it. Yay!

Rodimus is... welllll... this figure after all its anticipation is just alright, and a bit half-baked. The alt mode looks like a car that's had the frame broken in the middle and is sagging. For an Animated figure, this one requires a little more panel massage than I'm used to. Also, the rear of the alt mode is a gap for no reason, there's a panel back there COULD have hid it if they had extended it. Transformation is interesting but gets wonky at the chest, and the shoulder joints pop out too easily.

Bot mode is decent with pose potential and a very Hot Rod look, but also awkward with some gaps around the torso, and I don't like the noseless face with the low mouth. I get it, it's the opposite of all the other figures in the line, no giant boots, no giant chin, but the long wide face is odd and not quite what the show art had, and the way the torso comes together doesn't feel complete. That said, it's got good articulation (if you don't mind the shoulders popping out all the time) and a trim profile, no kibble really. The bow looks decent but doesn't have storage in bot mode when he's not holding it. When his eyes lightpipe, they have bubbles in the middle for irises, just like the animation, an interesting touch.

All in all, I'd give this a "B-" while trying to ignore the price-increase to $15. The alt mode feels a bit odd but isn't terrible, the transformation is unusual if a little bothersome at spots, the bot mode is decent but has issues.


Darkmount is clearly Straxus, so we'll drop the pretense at this stage. Alt mode is a halftrack tank with a VERY beefy turret that sports a long, thin cannon and 5 of the figure's 7 different 3mm clip-system rails for its 3 clip-system accessories - a smoke/grenade launcher, a rocket launcher box with 6 tips, and a machine gun which looks best clipped into the top. The turret rotates all the way round, and the main gun elevates to about 75 degrees. The vehicle has lots of detail, although the sculpting is not exactly as sharp as I've gotten used to, it feels a little like a throwback in that respect. The scale is a little confused, the wheels, tracks, and headlights suggest a fairly standard deluxe scale; while the cockpit, tail light, and cannon bore suggest a much bigger tank, like a rolling house, and the clip-system accessories don't really seem to have a sense of scale at all. The colors are mainly blue plastic with gray accents, the front of the vehicle has a copper section to give it some flavor, and there are a few small areas with red but mainly that's meant for other modes. The vehicle is interesting, it's bulky and apparently massive, has a long cannon, interchangeable accessories, it's detailed but in a different manner from what we've gotten used to from the movie lines.

Straxus then turns into a battle station, which the instructions make hash of, but the parts actually have specific functions so I'll talk about the REAL one. When done right, the rear tread shell halves angle down and tab onto the struts holding the front shell halves which stabilizes them, the arms then rotate upside-down to show the inner tread details and kind of hang out inside those shell halves but loosely. Then the turret raises up, locks into the middle, and handles rotate out of the back. What you're left with is a gun emplacement sized to a basic figure and it's a little low for that even. It's got modern 3rd-mode-syndrome in that it looks a lot like the main altmode jury-rigged into something else, but the parts moving in the way they do and the gun handles lend it enough credibility that I can dig it, and even though Hubcap has to hunker down to use it, it's a decent pairing putting a basic with this emplacement. I am not sure the mighty Lord Straxus would really appreciate turning into a rather modest weapon emplacement though. ;)

Transformation in the instructions to bot mode require first going through battle station mode, yet the reverse instructions (which, btw, Hasbro deserves props for now including on all the figures I've seen lately, kudos) bypass the battle station, so it goes "vehicle to battle station to robot to vehicle". Instructions also have the order of stuff wrong, so it's more frustrating the way they do it, and they have storage for the axe that doesn't work and is pretty vague. Anyway, transformation is very involved and interesting, if you get the order wrong it's gonna be frustrating since panels will hit things, stuff will ram into moving parts, etc., but when you get it right it's quite clever and not the bumpy road Hasbro thinks. The finished result is stable, a good size with bulk, and in terms of kibble, the rear halftrack shells hanging off the back isn't as offensive as it might seem. The way the forearms end up with the inner portion of the track gears is pretty clever, and helps lighten up the backpack's bulky look a little. I especially like that Straxus' ax transforms, with the barrel stem sliding down to become part of the pommel (the slide lock is a tad stiff, but worth it), the ax blades rotate around and open up. All in all, Straxus feels different from a lot of TFs lately, a little more original and somewhat classic.

Straxus' bot mode is a decent size but isn't a tubby guy the way the original character was, instead he's more of a balanced bot with a bit extra bulk in the chest and lower legs (he does have the big-boots, short thighs thing that's been going around the last decade though) - so he looks big and tough without being squat and blocky, it's easier to take him seriously as a contender for Cybertron's most-feared. The figure has lots of sculpted details, some of which are right out of the G1 character's look - the red triple-triangles are all over here, and the head is unmistakable with its swept ears and collar-fang mouth design - while others seem feel classic but aren't Straxus' original styles - the armored forearms and pointy hip panels aren't his or his planned repaint's (Skullgrin). The colors add more gray and a lot more red, so it's quite a bold look, although those colors with this blue seems more Autobot than Decepticon. The figure has a tilted-forward lower torso design, something else we've been getting more of lately. Articulation is great, lots of movement especially at the arms which can hold the ax 2-handed, but the foot connection is a sideways ball-joint which is risky in terms of long-term design, it leaves an unsightly gap, and it has limited sideways tilt range - that said, so far the feet haven't given me any trouble. The figure is a little back-heavy from the kibble and short heels that are a bit far forward in the centerline, but the articulation allows for plenty of compensation. The 3 clip-system accessories feel somewhat forgotten here, they can be plugged onto the legs, and 1 can be clipped onto each half of the kibble backpack, but they don't really add much to the guy.

Overall, Lord Straxus is well-represented in the Generations line. While not perfect, and not everybody will get behind the battle station mode, there's a lot working for this figure in bot and vehicle mode, and very little distracting from either. I'd grade Straxus/Darkmount an "A", though the figure is a complex chap and only patience will make him really rewarding to fully enjoy.

El Chuxter
10-01-2010, 06:20 PM
Nice to hear. I'm looking forward to that one.

Skullgrin is going to be a Straxus repaint, right? Does he at least have a new head? I skipped Banzai-Tron (truth is, I didn't look for him so I'm not sure that I've seen him), because such a poo-poo character being a Bludgeon repaint is lame. But Skullgrin I always thought was cool for whatever reason, so I might bite on this one if the head is different.

Chaddymac
10-01-2010, 06:34 PM
Nice to hear. I'm looking forward to that one.

Skullgrin is going to be a Straxus repaint, right? Does he at least have a new head? I skipped Banzai-Tron (truth is, I didn't look for him so I'm not sure that I've seen him), because such a poo-poo character being a Bludgeon repaint is lame. But Skullgrin I always thought was cool for whatever reason, so I might bite on this one if the head is different.
The head's different. He's got demon horns.

El Chuxter
10-01-2010, 06:38 PM
Awesome. If the figure's as good as JT says (and he's usually more critical than I am), then Hasbro has definitely suckered me in. :D

figrin bran
10-02-2010, 03:01 PM
I found Generations Dirge and Blurr at Target this morning.

El Chuxter
10-02-2010, 09:02 PM
I have a friend who found Red Alert and Straxus. This means there are six whole Deluxes I haven't seen yet (counting Soundwave and Megatron). If I don't find them soon, that could be one expensive trip if more waves come out.

Chaddymac
10-03-2010, 09:55 AM
I have a friend who found Red Alert and Straxus. This means there are six whole Deluxes I haven't seen yet (counting Soundwave and Megatron). If I don't find them soon, that could be one expensive trip if more waves come out.
You know, Chux, if you're that behind, it might be financially advisable to order a case online. The cases can sometimes be as cheap as retail from the right place. And if there are doubles of some of the newer figures, I'm sure you could find someone to split it with.

El Chuxter
10-03-2010, 10:37 AM
I'd be more worried about having doubles of the guys who are clogging pegs now, particularly Cybertron Prime and Bumblebee.

Chaddymac
10-03-2010, 10:51 AM
I'd be more worried about having doubles of the guys who are clogging pegs now, particularly Cybertron Prime and Bumblebee.
Sure, but check out the cases. You might have to pre-order to get a good ratio, but there are some non-Prime/Bee cases. There's a part of me that almost wishes I'd waited to buy my Meg/Soundwave/Alert/Darkmount set since there are some good cases with those figures as carry overs coming soon.

JediTricks
10-03-2010, 04:05 PM
Since we're rounding the corner into the last few months of the year, I was thinking we could start looking at what's been particularly stand-out so far in TF in 2010 to help the end-of-year discussions along when we get there. I believe these are the lines with product that came out in 2010...


Animated
Movie 2
Generations
PCCs
A few Crossovers of no real note

Is that it, or am I missing something?

Here's my list so far, broken down by line.

Movie 2...
Skystalker
Mindwipe!
Breacher!
HA Jazz!
HA Barricade
Leader-class Starscream!

Animated...
Arcee

Generations...
Straxus!
WfC Bumblebee
Drift
MP Grimlock!

So far, not a bad year, but a bit of a long break towards the middle hampered momentum.

JediTricks
10-03-2010, 04:17 PM
Nice to hear. I'm looking forward to that one.

Skullgrin is going to be a Straxus repaint, right? Does he at least have a new head? I skipped Banzai-Tron (truth is, I didn't look for him so I'm not sure that I've seen him), because such a poo-poo character being a Bludgeon repaint is lame. But Skullgrin I always thought was cool for whatever reason, so I might bite on this one if the head is different.Skullgrin is a repaint with a new head that looks like this: http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Image:Generationstoy-Skullgrin.jpg
IMO, that head is a bit too small for the body, it has to be to fit in the cavity that Straxus' larger, squarer head fits in.

The instructions on Straxus actually show Skullgrin's head in the drawings, which gave it away ahead of time. :p



I found Generations Dirge and Blurr at Target this morning.Great gourds! How are they? I can't believe I missed your stashing post yesterday.



You know, Chux, if you're that behind, it might be financially advisable to order a case online. The cases can sometimes be as cheap as retail from the right place. And if there are doubles of some of the newer figures, I'm sure you could find someone to split it with.Unfortunately, every case assortment for waves 3-5 don't contain all 6 figures he's missing. Wave 3 has Straxus, Megatron, Red Alert, Soundwave. Wave 4 has Dirge, Blurr, Megatron, Soundwave, Red Alert. Wave 5 will have Red Alert, Dirge, Thunderwing, Skullgrin, and WfC Cliffjumper.

figrin bran
10-03-2010, 11:55 PM
Since we're rounding the corner into the last few months of the year, I was thinking we could start looking at what's been particularly stand-out so far in TF in 2010 to help the end-of-year discussions along when we get there. I believe these are the lines with product that came out in 2010...


Animated
Movie 2
Generations
PCCs
A few Crossovers of no real note

Is that it, or am I missing something?

Here's my list so far, broken down by line.

Movie 2...
Skystalker
Mindwipe!
Breacher!
HA Jazz!
HA Barricade
Leader-class Jetfire!

Animated...
Arcee

Generations...
Straxus!
WfC Bumblebee
Drift
MP Grimlock!

So far, not a bad year, but a bit of a long break towards the middle hampered momentum.

I know you don't agree but I would put Animated Rodimus on that list. I liked Legends Longhaul as well.

As for Blurr and Dirge, I like Drift better than Blurr. I would've liked for him to have his own alt mode mold. Instead of Drift's long sword, Blurr comes with a rifle, while the two knives for Drift are replaced by blasters for Blurr. I don't really think of Blurr as the sniper type so I could've done without that accessory.

About Dirge, the flaws of this mold have been well documented so there's no real need to get into that. Unlike Thrust, the colors are really sharp on Dirge. As far as Classics seekers go, this one and Ramjet are probably my favorites.

Tycho
10-05-2010, 01:36 PM
I don't purchase all this stuff but I'll vote where I can:




Since we're rounding the corner into the last few months of the year, I was thinking we could start looking at what's been particularly stand-out so far in TF in 2010 to help the end-of-year discussions along when we get there. I believe these are the lines with product that came out in 2010...


Here's my list so far, broken down by line.

Movie 2...

HA Barricade
Leader-class Starscream! (I think JT meant Starscream instead of Jetfire, too.)

Generations...

Voyager SeaSpray

JediTricks
10-06-2010, 04:07 PM
Yeah, I meant Starscream, I haven't been sleeping that great lately. :p Jetfire didn't even come out this year.

Seaspray is not a Generations figure, it's a movie figure. Why? I have no idea, it's only got chicken legs in common with them.

I wish Rodimus had turned out a little better and made my list, but it doesn't work for me well enough to put it up there.

I left Bludgeon off my list because technically he came out at the end of last year, but I didn't get him until February of this year, so I may have to revise that. Not sure though.

Darth Metalmute
10-06-2010, 05:55 PM
I saw MP Grimlock for the first time the other day. What a great looking figure. I really wanted to pick it up, but I just couldn't justify the 70 bucks considering I don't have MP Megatron.

I also saw Leader Class Starscream. What is up with the voice in him. It's horrible.

JediTricks
10-07-2010, 06:31 PM
I like the voice on Starscream. It's the voice actor from TF: Animated, but aiming more for the Chris Latta G1 sound, which I think he got about 90% there.

Tycho
10-14-2010, 05:45 AM
In Wal-Mart tonight, they had the 80's animated series "final chapters" with Rodimus Prime on DVD for $20.

I don't think I'm going to pick this up, but Ultra Magnus, Springer, Arcee, Cyclonus, Scourge, and more Astrotrain and Soundwave is cool.

However. there are these guys Rodimus Prime and Galvatron that kind of wreck it for me.

I don't know. Maybe I'll bite. I'm not sure yet.

JediTricks
10-15-2010, 04:35 PM
Picked up PCC Sledge w/ Throttler yesterday.

After the disappointment that was Icepick w/ Chainclaw (2 names that make little to no sense with the figures), I was sorta losing all interest in picking up the last 2 new Commander figures from wave 2. Then I saw Sledge yesterday and it looked decent enough to give 1 last shot.

First, Throttler. Throttler is purple. His head is a 5mm hardpoint and has a silver face of little detail. His limbs have detail, and he looks alright for a clear plastic minicon. He has thigh rotation. He transforms into a giant drill bit, the kind used to make tunnels and such, and he ACTUALLY TRANSFORMS! It's a miracle, he actually has parts that lock together, and his chest rotates around to center the bit mode (the instructions don't know about this, but the assembly makes for no other possibility). As a weapon, he's a drill bit. The instructions don't realize his peghead can be used to peg under Sledge's forearm, so they think his weapon-mode is chest-based or shoulder-based, not their finest hour - "behold, my powerful boutineer!" Because of the cone alt mode, his limbs are triangular which makes for adequate coverage in armor mode, but it's really still just wrapping a minicon around a robot.

Sledge is a balanced figure, normal-length torso, arms, and legs. The arms have big kibble on the sides, but the wrap upwards at least. The head has blinders on either side which are doors that close for the combiner head, the face inside is a face though, not some cheapness. The torso has a big cutting wheel sticking out, and a cockpit with a hardpoint on the side. Articulation is decent for a scout-class but not outstanding. Interestingly, to use the minicon-as-armor, the cutting wheel is retracted and the cockpit unfolds to become a chest (this is also what you do to make him a Combiner core, more on that later).

Sledge's transformation to a backhoe is very interesting and perhaps a little more ambitious than a scout could pull off, but the backhoe arm fully works (if a little loose). The sides of the torso fold down and around, the legs fold under. The only problem I have is there's nowhere for the head's blinders or horns to go so the combiner face remains deployed under the cockpit. It's not a great-looking vehicle but it's alright, and it has treads, a cockpit, a cutting wheel and plow in the front, and a backhoe arm in the back.

Combiner mode rotates the head around and closes the binders to reveal more of a visor-eye non-face that Transformers has seen before. The shoulders rotate around diagonally with the arms running straight back (although I like them folded down to act as lats), and the legs fold in slightly on a new joint. The combiner core is alright, it's a bit narrow though, and the legs can de-transform a little due to springs on the tread panels. It's not mind-blowing, but the combined bot looks a bit different from the others with the core keeping things so narrow, so that's unique (some of the other cores are wide, so this is an intentional thing). On mine, the PCC peg-cube joints are very stiff which can be an annoyance with the limb engineering problems.

All in all, still not a great line, but at least Sledge & Throttler are adequate transformers on their own without massive compromises.

El Chuxter
10-15-2010, 09:47 PM
I finally found Lord Straxus (no aliases for me!) and Cybertron Megatron today. Which means I'm only four behind, right? (Dirge, Blurr, Soundwave, and Red Alert, unless someone else has snuck out.)

BTW, did Banzai-Tron ever actually come out, or is he still forthcoming? I was going to pass, but now I'm considering him if I ever find him. I really dig the sculpt, and he was somewhat important in the IDW-verse before it went south.

El Chuxter
10-15-2010, 11:45 PM
Gotta say, I'm loving these little inside jokes on the Classics/Universe Classics/Generations decos. Straxus is M17--awesome! (It shouldn't take more than a quick Google search to see why that's cool.)

JediTricks
10-16-2010, 03:58 PM
Glad you dig Straxus.

Yes, Banzaitron is out and VERY easy to find in my area. It's a voyager-class, make sure you're checking the new boxes for those.


I haven't talked about WFC Megatron or Soundwave yet. I don't know what it is, I cannot seem to find expression for them. They're both good, they both have drawbacks, they're both acceptable despite that, but somehow they don't move me to orate upon their pros and cons.

Tycho
10-19-2010, 09:31 PM
Don't give orals to pros or cons, JT. It's a risk to your health. ;)

Meanwhile, I finally opened SeaSpray (Voyager) as I've had him since July.

Getting Breacher was the motivation.

Man are they awesome!

First, SeaSpray is a great action figure alone (nevermind that he transforms).
I've loved what Hasbro has done with the old MiniBots, turning them into great Voyager figures (and in some cases like BumbleBee, Deluxes albeit he's a Camaro instead of a bug, now, save for the other toy lines I don't collect).

But first Powerglide and now SeaSpray! Both are great toys!

Breacher was difficult to transform for me (because I was trying to follow the instructions). Once I just went with my intuition, I converted him just fine. He fits great onto SeaSpray and adds even more firepower to the hovercraft. (Mine's combined, attacking Devastator!)

Now Hasbro needs to do Beachcomber - probably as a Legends for the best size (if they hadn't already done him). I bought Legends Hound (though I loved the Deluxe Hound that I saw in the stores from Generations a year or two back).

Anyway, there's nothing on my Transformers buying list right now except for a 4-pack with LEGENDS Ironhide, Ratchet, Bonecrusher, and Brawl. I don't know when that's coming out or if it's been released.

I've since added Mudflap and the Agent Simmons figure to my Human Alliance scene (and I don't remember if he's in there or not in the pictures I recently posted, but also Captain Lennox who came with HA Jazz). Legends Ravage should be in that pic. It begs for a Human (Nemesis) class Rampage with prisoner Sam Witwicky.

Chaddymac
10-20-2010, 12:09 AM
Don't give orals to pros or cons, JT. It's a risk to your health. ;)

Meanwhile, I finally opened SeaSpray (Voyager) as I've had him since July.

Getting Breacher was the motivation.

Man are they awesome!

First, SeaSpray is a great action figure alone (nevermind that he transforms).
I've loved what Hasbro has done with the old MiniBots, turning them into great Voyager figures (and in some cases like BumbleBee, Deluxes albeit he's a Camaro instead of a bug, now, save for the other toy lines I don't collect).

But first Powerglide and now SeaSpray! Both are great toys!

Breacher was difficult to transform for me (because I was trying to follow the instructions). Once I just went with my intuition, I converted him just fine. He fits great onto SeaSpray and adds even more firepower to the hovercraft. (Mine's combined, attacking Devastator!)

Now Hasbro needs to do Beachcomber - probably as a Legends for the best size (if they hadn't already done him). I bought Legends Hound (though I loved the Deluxe Hound that I saw in the stores from Generations a year or two back).

Anyway, there's nothing on my Transformers buying list right now except for a 4-pack with LEGENDS Ironhide, Ratchet, Bonecrusher, and Brawl. I don't know when that's coming out or if it's been released.

I've since added Mudflap and the Agent Simmons figure to my Human Alliance scene (and I don't remember if he's in there or not in the pictures I recently posted, but also Captain Lennox who came with HA Jazz). Legends Ravage should be in that pic. It begs for a Human (Nemesis) class Rampage with prisoner Sam Witwicky.
Tycho - they already released a legends class Beachcomber. The mold was just re-released as "Sandstorm" along with another Legends Hound.

El Chuxter
10-20-2010, 01:00 AM
On a side note, re-watching the old episodes on The Hub has taught me something: If Transformers weren't awesome toys, and there hadn't been a far more awesome comic book with the same characters, that cartoon would've bombed since it sucked some pretty serious eggs. I'm not saying I don't like it, but it really is a mediocre cartoon with some majorly lazy shortcuts in animation and storytelling.

Tycho
10-20-2010, 02:44 AM
I'm not saying I don't like it, but it really is a mediocre cartoon with some majorly lazy shortcuts in animation and storytelling.

Yes, but as a kid, you might have thought it was just perfect - like me. I used to rush home from school to watch it.


And thanks ChaddyMac. I'll have to look for it and see if I want that. Scout Class DuneRunner seems to be serving the purpose in my big Devastator scene.

If DuneRunner is some kind of Humvee desert dunebuggy, he might be larger than the tiny Legends Class Jeep that's Hound. Then I have Deluxe Class Desert Brawl (as just a military tank) and Voyager Class SeaSpray carrying Breacher. Definitely, the Super Devastator is the one offscale most-likely, if you break him down to his component vehicles. But the Legends Devastator would never be able to hold Mudflap and Skids (Legends).

JediTricks
10-20-2010, 04:08 PM
On a side note, re-watching the old episodes on The Hub has taught me something: If Transformers weren't awesome toys, and there hadn't been a far more awesome comic book with the same characters, that cartoon would've bombed since it sucked some pretty serious eggs. I'm not saying I don't like it, but it really is a mediocre cartoon with some majorly lazy shortcuts in animation and storytelling.
It was a 1980s kids show, it was pretty much the pinnacle at the time. There wasn't as much money involved back then, toys weren't as big a business, and kids advertising was just coming off being very restrained, and advertising in general didn't cost so much.

Umbra
10-21-2010, 04:48 PM
So driving buy the local Walmart I decided to go in on a whim, and found a WFC Soundwave awaiting me. This was my first transformers figure purchase in years. I got inspired after seeing the upcoming WreckGar and Soundwave in the same scale. I was wondering if there has been any word of a Starscream in the generations series, or if there has been a recent one in the same scale i might be able to hunt down?

JediTricks
10-21-2010, 04:55 PM
There won't be a WFC Starscream for the foreseeable future. It would be one they'd do if they decide to do more WFC figs though, but they're waiting to see how long-term the game goes with fans before making more figures.

As for the "Generations" Starscream, I don't think they're doing a re-release, all the Seekers in the line are based on the Classics Starscream mold which got re-released in the Universe line a couple years ago.

They are releasing a new Legends G1 Starscream soon, but that's the little $5 pricepoint figures.

El Chuxter
10-21-2010, 05:27 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/Transformers-Classics-Starscream-Deluxe-Hasbro-Rare-G1-/270649709963?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f03fad58b

I linked to that one just to mock the guy who's claiming Starscream was rare. That poor fella pegwarmed at first. Don't pay $40 for him, but he's a nice figure.

There's been Starscream, Skywarp, Ramjet, Thrust, Acid Storm, and (soon if not already) Dirge released to mainstream retail. There was also Thundercracker and a slightly different Thrust and Dirge released through Botcon a couple of years back. The Botcon ones are insanely tough to get. Of the others, only Skywarp is really HTF, because he was a Target exclusive packed with Ultra Magnus. (The set pegwarmed at some Targets, but, well, it was only at Target.) Thrust is still in most stores now. Acid Storm is based on the green Seeker seen in the early episode where a few Autobots have to go to Cybertron to get a spare part for Optimus Prime (that Wheeljack conveniently remembers in his workshop, and takes for granted that it's still there four million years later), and are attacked by three Cybertronian Seekers (presumably Acid Storm, Sunstorm, and some other guy, possible named Fred).

Chaddymac
10-21-2010, 06:41 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/Transformers-Classics-Starscream-Deluxe-Hasbro-Rare-G1-/270649709963?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f03fad58b

I linked to that one just to mock the guy who's claiming Starscream was rare. That poor fella pegwarmed at first. Don't pay $40 for him, but he's a nice figure.


This one was cooler IMHO: http://cgi.ebay.com/Transformers-Universe-Starscream-Complete-Decepticons-/120636903215?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c16850f2f

Better paint scheme, brighter white. Even if I didn't care about this one being closer to the original G1 deco, that dingy greyish white was yuck.

Umbra
10-21-2010, 08:23 PM
Thank you all for the information. So it sounds like I should keep a look out for a Universe Deluxe Starscream then.

Tycho
10-22-2010, 05:54 AM
My comment WILL impact toys eventually:

I think the movie franchise will continue with movie 4, but Michael Bay will be finished with Transformers at the end of movie 3; Shia LeBouf, Josh Duhamel, John Turturo, etc. - They may all part ways with Transformers.

However, new human characters might enter the story - how about Chip (in the wheelchair from the G1 'toon)?

I think the films are too profitable for Hasbro to call it quits.

Thus there will be no resoultion for TF3 except one like TF1, where Megatron gets burried somewhere he can come back from.

Will the Ferarri be Hot Rod and will they take the whole franchise the "Rodimus Prime" route? Maybe the battle truck is not Megatron's new form, but Ultra Magnus? (I'm referring to the production pictures that TFW2005 has been posting.)

Does anyone know who the Ferrari is? He's an Autobot for sure - he rolls with Prime and the guys.

But:

Sunstreaker (could be, red instead of yellow - 'cause hey, SideSwipe is now silver)

Wheeljack

Smokescreen has to be one of the wreckers because it's his colors. (unless the wreckers will be Stunticons)

Mirage - also could be, but I'd like to see him be blue

or Hot Rod - which would fit, but the other primary G1's above are lacking so why bring in Hot Rod now? (Please NO Rodimus Prime!)

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EXCERPT FROM SCRIPT FOR RODIMUS PRIME:

KUP: The Decepticons are attacking!

RODIMUS: What?

SPRINGER: They're shooting at us!

RODIMUS: Really?

WRECK-GAR: He didn't get the extended warranty.

RODIMUS: So the Decepticons are attacking by shooting at us?

KUP: YES!!!

RODIMUS: Well has someone bothered to ask them to please stop?

El Chuxter
10-22-2010, 03:38 PM
I changed my mind on Huffer, mainly because he was on sale for $7. That seemed a bit more fair, and who knows if there'll be a more "proper" G1 update?

Pretty nice figure, but not worth ten bucks by any stretch. I wish the "power up" head were closer to Huffer than Bumblebee on steroids. Caliburst is pretty weak and doesn't make up for the price difference between the value and actual cost of Huffer.

Still, I've got someone to complain to all my other G1 updates and make them want to kick him in the robo-crotch. :D

Background Character
10-22-2010, 04:37 PM
Sorry to change topiics on you guys, but could anyone tell me if the Transformer's Human Alliance series is discontinued? I've been seeing these marked down at retail and was wondering if they are just trying to get rid of the Revenge of the Fallen packaging or if the whole line was discontinued. I haven't been buying these because of the initial price, but now that they are affordable, I might start. Grabbed Mudflap w/agent simmons to start because I've never seen him before. Don't know if he is super rare or not, but didn't want to miss out in case I get the whole series. The others I've seen multiple times so I'm not too worried. Any recommendations on which to buy and which (if any, to avoid)? I've seen Bumblebee, Sidewipe, Skids, Mudflap, Barricade. Are there any others I don't know about? Mudflap was a surprise to me and just wondering if there are any others.

Tycho
10-22-2010, 04:57 PM
First off: congrats to getting Mudflap w. Simmons. He has been the hardest to find. I had to special order him from Entertainment Earth, and then I waited a while. Maybe he'll become common now if warehouses held him back.

All the Human Alliance Figures are great if you ask me. I got back into TFs because of the highly detailed Alternator cars, and HA continues that scale with movie characters beautifully.

You nailed them:

BumbleBee (offered with 2 different versions of Sam Witwicky - black shirt is the older one, white shirt the newer one shipping now).

SideSwipe (offered originally with Sgt. Epps but a new assortment includes a new Mikeala)

Skids - with Mikeala

Barricade - the only Decepticon :mad: with Frenzy

Mudflap - who you just got.

JAZZ - offered with Captain Lennox - who you forgot to mention I think.

I sure hope they continue this line with Decepticons that could be done in this scale: Sideways and Rampage, for two examples.

Chaddymac
10-22-2010, 05:00 PM
Sorry to change topiics on you guys, but could anyone tell me if the Transformer's Human Alliance series is discontinued? I've been seeing these marked down at retail and was wondering if they are just trying to get rid of the Revenge of the Fallen packaging or if the whole line was discontinued. I haven't been buying these because of the initial price, but now that they are affordable, I might start. Grabbed Mudflap w/agent simmons to start because I've never seen him before. Don't know if he is super rare or not, but didn't want to miss out in case I get the whole series. The others I've seen multiple times so I'm not too worried. Any recommendations on which to buy and which (if any, to avoid)? I've seen Bumblebee, Sidewipe, Skids, Mudflap, Barricade. Are there any others I don't know about? Mudflap was a surprise to me and just wondering if there are any others.
They are all really nifty. I hate the movie designs and have passed on nearly all of the movie offerings, but the HA line is pretty special (and I always loved the Alternators). doesn't hurt that they come with pretty poseable human figs. My favorites are Jazz, and Bumblebee, though Skids is incredibly well executed. Sideswipe suffers from backpackitis, but is otherwise pretty good. Barricade has some leg design issues, but is otherwise pretty good.

Chaddymac
10-22-2010, 05:02 PM
For anyone searching for Mudflap now:
http://www.amazon.com/Transformers-Revenge-Alliance-Mudflap-Simmons/dp/B002VCZ7LC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1287784909&sr=8-1

JediTricks
10-22-2010, 05:40 PM
Sorry to change topiics on you guys, but could anyone tell me if the Transformer's Human Alliance series is discontinued? I've been seeing these marked down at retail and was wondering if they are just trying to get rid of the Revenge of the Fallen packaging or if the whole line was discontinued. I haven't been buying these because of the initial price, but now that they are affordable, I might start. Grabbed Mudflap w/agent simmons to start because I've never seen him before. Don't know if he is super rare or not, but didn't want to miss out in case I get the whole series. The others I've seen multiple times so I'm not too worried. Any recommendations on which to buy and which (if any, to avoid)? I've seen Bumblebee, Sidewipe, Skids, Mudflap, Barricade. Are there any others I don't know about? Mudflap was a surprise to me and just wondering if there are any others.The line is not canceled, though it is currently looking like they are going to put it on hiatus, since there are only repaints on the horizon at this stage. The packaging changeover is the reason you're seeing those liquidated.

Mudflap is pretty rare, it looks like 100% of the brick-n-mortar orders on him went straight to liquidators.

I like the line enough that I have these 4, and in order of recommendation they'd go Jazz, Barricade, Bumblebee, Sideswipe - Sideswipe is really great as a car, but only so-so as a bot. Mudflap and Skids I can't speak to, but I hear they're ok if you can get past their looks.

Tycho
10-22-2010, 09:54 PM
Understand:

1) I'm an Autobot fan. I've loved Optimus Prime since I was a kid. I dig the Autobots and liked Wheeljack and Ironhide, Kup, Hot Rod (unless he's the leader - can't stand Rodimus Prime), Ultra Magnus, Springer, and Hound.

2) I like it in a COLLECTION like Human Alliance, best, when Autobots wage their battle against the evil forces of the DECEPTICONS.

3) Barricade alone will not cut it for the enemy force in this line.

4) Rampage and Sideways are the right size to add more Decepticons to this scale range without a price and packaging size increase. They can be the HUMAN NEMESIS line, and include Legends Ravage, Deluxe Scorpinok, human figure of Alice (Isabel Lucas, TF:ROTF), as well as robot figure of Alice (like HA Frenzy pack-in)

5) I would pay a price increase and welcome a packaging size increase for larger HUMAN NEMESIS figures (perhaps with human holograms) like Bonecrusher, Long Haul, Mixmaster, or Demolisher. If they up the price and package size, they can eventually do Prime and Ironhide HA figures as well.
But I doubt this will happen, so I return to my point about Sideways and Rampage in the normal size range for this line.

6) With the line possibly continuing - it will be TF: DSOFTM Autobots that we get, most likely - the Ferrari (cool though - and maybe with Carly) and the wreckers (I think that's an auto-racing term, not a TF character classification, but I'm not sure). I don't know if the wreckers are Autobots or Decepticons, but one is done to the extreme in Smoekscreen's exact colors, so I'm leaning to that being this particular Autobot, but don't know that for sure yet.

El Chuxter
10-28-2010, 12:26 AM
I learned something rather interesting, and by accident, today.

First, The Hub appears to be skipping episodes and possibly airing them out of order (tough to tell, as my guide doesn't show any info beyond next Wednesday at the moment). I noticed Skyfire just sort of shows up in today's ep ("The Ultimate Doom," Pt. 2), and everyone's sort of, "Yo, hey, Skyfire, what's up, bro?" :D Only Skyfire was "dead" in "Fire in the Sky," which aired last Wednesday, IIRC. I vaguely remembered Sideswipe digging him out of the ice from another episode when I was a kid. Sure enough, a quick search revealed there were a few episodes missing from Hub's lineup.

Second, I discovered that the Kid Rhino DVDs were shoddy. Really shoddy. The masters were in poor shape, and Rhino attempted to reconstruct them using unreleased test animation and hasty fixes. As a result, there are an insane amount of errors, which weren't in the originals: missing blast effects, missing facial features, reversed or flipped scenes, wrong sound effects, and more miscolorations than the original. Shout Factory apparently compared the Kid Rhino "restorations" to tapes of the originals and fixed most of these errors. (Hmm, maybe I should buy those after all, and I'm guessing the same applies to GIJoe.)

I checked on two errors that stood out in "SOS Dinobots" from Thursday. (I don't know why errors from one of last week's eps stood out more than those from today, but it probably relates to the debut of Grimlock.) First, I'd noticed that the blasts from the Dinobot's mouths were gone when they destroyed the rubble; I'd figured last week that I just mis-remembered the scene. Also, the Autobots drive up to the dam as cars, and are seen individually transforming to robot mode... only Bluestreak was reversed, so he drove up as a car, transformed from a robot to a car, and was immediately seen as a robot in a crowd shot.

Both of these errors only appear in the Kid Rhino releases. And on the Hub episodes. Which means that The Hub is airing the inferior Kid Rhino versions.

Which begs the question: If Hasbro owns the Transformers, and shares ownership of The Hub, why would they air a flawed version of the show in an incorrect (or partial) order that makes it appear there are continuity errors that don't actually exist?

Tycho
10-28-2010, 05:08 AM
So one moral of Chux's story is that if I want to buy these episodes in the store, I should get the Shout Factory ones - whcih seem to be what Target and Wal-Mart are currently carrying, right?

Darth Metalmute
10-28-2010, 07:36 AM
What company made the complete box set edition?

El Chuxter
10-28-2010, 10:09 AM
The Rhini DVDs were made several years ago and have been OOP for a while. They might've had a complete box, but the only one I'm sure of is the Shout Factory version.

Tycho, you won't see the Rhino ones in the stores anymore. They're long gone.

figrin bran
10-30-2010, 07:47 PM
I found and bought Tomahawk from the Movie Deluxe line today.

I've not transformed him yet but will offer further comments when I do.

Tycho
10-31-2010, 04:26 AM
I'm watching the DVD box sets.

I like "Skyfire" aka - Jetfire.

You know, I didn't pay attention but did they start calling him Jetfire in his 2nd cartoon appearance or was he still Skyfire?

BTW: How rude were the Autobots? They dig him out of the ice and don't even say "Welcome back," but instead say "Brawn and Swerve need a ride to Peru. You're flying them there. Get moving!"

I saw the Dinobots introduction, too. If we had Wheeljack in the live-action movies, they could pull this off. Meanwhile, besides Ratchet, who would need some help (like from Wheeljack) - what movie character is capable of making the Dinobots? We don't know enough about Jolt - except that he's not Wheeljack and Wheeljack is rumored to be appearing in TF3: TDOTM. If he is the Mercedes sports car I just saw the other day - I took a picture of it too - then he'll be awesome. It's a sweet car for his alt-mode and I don't know if Lotus is still even producing cars. If they are, I think that Michael Bay found Mercedes to be cheaper, and possibly more of a consumer car that might sponsort TF3 for some advertising by an appearance.

Anyway, no Dinobots in TF3, but if the make TF4, once Wheeljack has been introduced (if he's true to his G1 character) then they are a possibility.

Chaddymac
10-31-2010, 10:05 AM
He was always "Skyfire" in the cartoon. The toy was named "Jetfire" for trademark issues, like why they've recently been giving Jazz a title, like "Autobot".

figrin bran
10-31-2010, 07:30 PM
I also picked up Terradive today.

Tomahawk was okay in alt mode and mediocre in bot mode. Hopefully Terradive will be better.

Lord Malakite
11-01-2010, 03:15 AM
Don't know any of you guys care about restaurant toys when it comes to Transformers, but just a heads up in case you do. The next McDonalds Happy Meal promo is Hello Kitty (for girls) and Transformers (for boys). They just started a Mega Mind Happy Meal promo on Friday (October 29th) and there are 8 of those toys, so you probably got about 4 weeks till the Transformers promo starts.

JediTricks
11-04-2010, 04:33 PM
Man, Hasbro's release schedule with TF right now is killing momentum for my interest! Anybody else in that boat?



I learned something rather interesting, and by accident, today.

First, The Hub appears to be skipping episodes and possibly airing them out of order (tough to tell, as my guide doesn't show any info beyond next Wednesday at the moment). I noticed Skyfire just sort of shows up in today's ep ("The Ultimate Doom," Pt. 2), and everyone's sort of, "Yo, hey, Skyfire, what's up, bro?" :D Only Skyfire was "dead" in "Fire in the Sky," which aired last Wednesday, IIRC. I vaguely remembered Sideswipe digging him out of the ice from another episode when I was a kid. Sure enough, a quick search revealed there were a few episodes missing from Hub's lineup.

Second, I discovered that the Kid Rhino DVDs were shoddy. Really shoddy. The masters were in poor shape, and Rhino attempted to reconstruct them using unreleased test animation and hasty fixes. As a result, there are an insane amount of errors, which weren't in the originals: missing blast effects, missing facial features, reversed or flipped scenes, wrong sound effects, and more miscolorations than the original. Shout Factory apparently compared the Kid Rhino "restorations" to tapes of the originals and fixed most of these errors. (Hmm, maybe I should buy those after all, and I'm guessing the same applies to GIJoe.)

I checked on two errors that stood out in "SOS Dinobots" from Thursday. (I don't know why errors from one of last week's eps stood out more than those from today, but it probably relates to the debut of Grimlock.) First, I'd noticed that the blasts from the Dinobot's mouths were gone when they destroyed the rubble; I'd figured last week that I just mis-remembered the scene. Also, the Autobots drive up to the dam as cars, and are seen individually transforming to robot mode... only Bluestreak was reversed, so he drove up as a car, transformed from a robot to a car, and was immediately seen as a robot in a crowd shot.

Both of these errors only appear in the Kid Rhino releases. And on the Hub episodes. Which means that The Hub is airing the inferior Kid Rhino versions.

Which begs the question: If Hasbro owns the Transformers, and shares ownership of The Hub, why would they air a flawed version of the show in an incorrect (or partial) order that makes it appear there are continuity errors that don't actually exist?I can only guess the Kid Rhino ones are flawed because that's the materials they were given, and the original show probably had those flaws when they set it up to sell to reruns - it was done hastily and sloppily, I'd guess.



What company made the complete box set edition?Shout Factory.



The Rhini DVDs were made several years ago and have been OOP for a while. They might've had a complete box, but the only one I'm sure of is the Shout Factory version.

Tycho, you won't see the Rhino ones in the stores anymore. They're long gone.Rhino never finished the series, I believe, so they couldn't have done a full series boxed set.

El Chuxter
11-04-2010, 05:06 PM
Rhino did finish Transformers. I've got the entire show on their DVD. It was GIJoe they didn't finish (and Shout Factory did the episode breakdown per set differently, meaning one who got everything that was released on Rhino can't just buy the missing seasons and partial season).

JediTricks
11-05-2010, 02:53 AM
My mistake.

So, it appears Rhino had to remaster G1 because the originals had degraded to unusability, and they were pretty bad about it, and that's why the original originals aren't on The Hub. As for why the Shout Factory ones aren't, my guess is only that SF put a lot of money into re-remastering it to not suck, and has exclusivity for a window.


TFW2k5 has put up photos of the PCC Dinobots combiner...
http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-movie-toys--products-30/power-core-combiners-grimstone-with-dinobots-in-hand-images-170858/

Honestly, I was expecting better, this looks pretty weak. There are dinos with molded limbs right to the body, like some sort of happy meal toy.

Tycho
11-05-2010, 04:27 AM
I found a Scout Class military vehicle at Wal-Mart named something like HeavyFire or something like that.

It is some kind of Humvee with a mine-sweeper guard on the front end (not that new Missile Carrier guy).

I swear, Hasbro's Deluxe and Scout Class Military vehicles are getting better and better!!!

Unfortunately, I didn't buy this one, but I think I will go back and rectify that situation in the near future.

All my military vehicles are used as just that in my display of the United States' ground and air forces (and Navy actually w. SeaSpray) fighting the Ultimate Class Devastator.

It's my favorite Transformers past-time to spend surrounding Devastator with assualt craft - kind of like how the Army takes on Godzilla!

You know - I could substitute Masterpiece Grimlock in for Devastator and ponder the question "What if instead of an iguana, Godzilla was a Transformer?"

Nevermind. But this was the first time I'd seen this new guy (and I think he's an Autobot). But he was very, very cool.

While Scout Class rules for its original designs and creative transformations, it still needs the Autobot cars (BumbleBee, SideSwipe, Hot Rod (Ferrari from DOTM), Wheeljack (Mercedes from DOTM), Mudflap, Skids, Jolt, and the Wreckers (from DOTM). Jazz is also on the available list, as are Decepticons Barricade and Sideways.

But look at other Scout greats like Insecticon, Sunspot, Depthcharge, that bi-plane that came out in the early ROTF wave, Hubcap, Breacher...I could go on!

JediTricks
11-05-2010, 03:46 PM
Sounds like you saw wave 4's Firetrap, a repaint of Scattorshot (who wasn't all that great). That case has more repaints, and 1 new figure: Windcharger, a red Mustang.

One thing that makes the Scout class work is that the designers aren't limited by expectations of existing designs - except in the case of Scalpel (and perhaps Insecticon). So they can make a better toy by not having it be a character designed to be in the movie, but something they made up to work at that scale.

Tycho
11-07-2010, 01:30 PM
This is the new Mercedes (parked outside my Denny's one night).

It's rumored to being cast as Wheeljack in DOTM.

I think it's a sweet car.

Wheeljack was a white Lotus with red and green racing decales in G1.

However, I'm not at all opposed to this car being used for him in DOTM.

There is a white Wrecker with red and green racing decales however. Can someone ask Michael Bay what is up with that?

JediTricks
11-07-2010, 04:36 PM
Picked up Tomahawk last night at Target W.LA for $9. I like this figure, it's not without faults but it has a decent transformation, it makes a decent gerwalk mode, it has classic styling for the upper body. The missile launchers actually drag it down a little IMO, they're a bit too big, fire a super boring missile, go off easily, and just don't look good anywhere. But you can straighten out the chicken legs to look more normal. There's just the right balance of detail and function to make it keen, for example the sensor pod under the nose turns, that's a nice little detail. I kinda like the lanky design of the figure, the arms don't go well with it - and oddly, they didn't need to be this thick, that was a design choice - but overall it's a decent-looking bot and vehicle. Not great, but not bad.




This is the new Mercedes (parked outside my Denny's one night).

It's rumored to being cast as Wheeljack in DOTM.

I think it's a sweet car.

Wheeljack was a white Lotus with red and green racing decales in G1.

However, I'm not at all opposed to this car being used for him in DOTM.

There is a white Wrecker with red and green racing decales however. Can someone ask Michael Bay what is up with that?Wheeljack was not a Lotus, it was a Lancia Stratos Turbo. It even says "Lancia" right on the toy. And it's a specific one, no less:
Toy - http://www.seibertron.com/toys/gallery.php?id=115&size=0&start=0
Real - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lancia_Stratos_Turbo.jpg

In any case, Wheeljack should certainly not be a Mercedes SLK (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_R171), it's not exotic in the right way and it's not a racer, it's pretty heavy for its size and overly expensive for its engine. Wheeljack should be a slick-looking Rally car, something raked back and sporty, or maybe even a Rally truck, some of those are raked and sporty AND they're bigger so they'll fit in (the Lancia that Wheeljack was is actually fairly small, the toy seemed like a bigger car in respect to its other Autobots).

Bosskman
11-11-2010, 11:58 AM
I got Masterpiece Grimlock at TRU last week. Best. Grimlock. Ever.

JediTricks
11-11-2010, 05:16 PM
Right on! I still don't transform him much, he's so cool in alt mode, that's a rarity for me - I usually display in alt mode because I have to, not because I want to.

El Chuxter
11-11-2010, 07:50 PM
Got Blurr yesterday. He is awesome. I like this mold much for on Blurr than on Drift. It's kinda interesting, though, that the packaging mentions the blasters becoming a stand for his sniper rifle, but the instructions don't. (It's pretty easy to figure out, though I'm not sure which direction Hasbro had in mind for the blasters to point.)

There was no Dirge there, but, at the same Target today, I found him. Haven't opened him up yet, though.

figrin bran
11-13-2010, 11:50 PM
Since finding Blurr and Dirge in early October, I haven't seen them since.

Plenty of Darkmounts on the pegs though.

Tycho
11-16-2010, 12:09 AM
TFW2005 showed images of the new Kup figure (Deluxe?)

Crap. I might go retro - at least for G1's "Next Generation."

I'll need to get a Deluxe Hot Rod, that cool modernized Blurr, and then eventually Kup.

Ultra Magnus would need to be Leader Class, as would Cyclonus and Galvatron. I think there was a Scourge that was Voyager.

Then I'd like a Leader Class Springer triple-changer. They also made a good modernized Arcee I think. Else it was a custom I saw through TFW - or even a Japanese-only release toy by Takara-Tomy.

To flesh out the Decepticons, I suppose I'd get extra Deluxe and Voyager movie Constructicons, and Deluxe Soundwave and Legends Ravage again.

Double-crap. You see what happens? I don't need this stuff! :angry:

It all starts because I like that Kup figure. Oh - and Masterpiece Rodimus Prime (even though I really disliked the character and could imagine him being voiced by Keanau Reeves).

Chaddymac
11-16-2010, 02:05 PM
TFW2005 showed images of the new Kup figure (Deluxe?)

Crap. I might go retro - at least for G1's "Next Generation."

I'll need to get a Deluxe Hot Rod, that cool modernized Blurr, and then eventually Kup.

Ultra Magnus would need to be Leader Class, as would Cyclonus and Galvatron. I think there was a Scourge that was Voyager.

Then I'd like a Leader Class Springer triple-changer. They also made a good modernized Arcee I think. Else it was a custom I saw through TFW - or even a Japanese-only release toy by Takara-Tomy.

To flesh out the Decepticons, I suppose I'd get extra Deluxe and Voyager movie Constructicons, and Deluxe Soundwave and Legends Ravage again.

Double-crap. You see what happens? I don't need this stuff! :angry:

It all starts because I like that Kup figure. Oh - and Masterpiece Rodimus Prime (even though I really disliked the character and could imagine him being voiced by Keanau Reeves).
Kup is a deluxe. There are several Arcee customs that are offered as third party figures, but so far the quality has been sub par. There was a crappy Galvatron deluxe and a really cool Cyclonus deluxe and a neat looking Scourge deluxe coming soon. No Springer in the mix.

Ultra Magnus was released in a two pack a few years ago with Skywarp as a white recolor of Classics Voyager Optimus Prime. A Third Party vendor created a trailer that turned into armor that turned it into a really stellar figure.

http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=FPJ10009&mode=retail

Darth Metalmute
11-16-2010, 02:13 PM
I've always wanted to get my hands on that third party Magnus figure but the price is overwhelming.

Chaddymac
11-16-2010, 04:48 PM
I've always wanted to get my hands on that third party Magnus figure but the price is overwhelming.
It's worth the expense, high as it is.

Tycho
11-16-2010, 07:32 PM
My TRU had Masterpiece Grimlock today. I thought about it and how I like everything scaled and just couldn't pull the trigger.

MP Grimlock would require:

Scout Class Hot Rod, Kup, Blurr, Arcee, probably.

Voyager Galvatron, Cyclonus, Scourge, Rodimus, etc would all work.

The Constructicons would mostly have to be Deluxe figures.

What I realized is that I just wanted to buy toys. But I left well enough alone.

El Chuxter
11-17-2010, 03:25 PM
Tycho, with only a few exceptions, the Classics/Universe/Generations line has been absolutely amazing. As for Arcee, I'd recommend the Animated version, though she was pretty tough to find everywhere but the IE.

I think Hot Rod is being re-released with Cyclonus soon.

And I opened Dirge. Aside from a serious paint chip on his chest (which was not visible in the package), he's as awesome as I expect a Seeker to be. I need Thundercracker and Sunstorm and that purple dude and my collection will be complete. (Did the purple dude ever get a name? Rainstorm, maybe, since that trio seems to have a fetish for names with "Storm" in them.)

AFCollector
11-17-2010, 09:03 PM
Kup is a deluxe. There are several Arcee customs that are offered as third party figures, but so far the quality has been sub par. There was a crappy Galvatron deluxe and a really cool Cyclonus deluxe and a neat looking Scourge deluxe coming soon. No Springer in the mix.

Ultra Magnus was released in a two pack a few years ago with Skywarp as a white recolor of Classics Voyager Optimus Prime. A Third Party vendor created a trailer that turned into armor that turned it into a really stellar figure.

http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=FPJ10009&mode=retail

I will echo the sentiment about the 3rd Party Arcee figures. Stay CLEAR away from the Impossible Toys one. It's absolute garbage. I wasted a lot of money on that.

For "Springer", Fansproject made a "Warbot" that pretty much IS Springer, 3rd party again but it's damn nice. http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=FPJ10013&mode=retail

Triple-Changer and everything. :)

Chaddymac
11-17-2010, 09:19 PM
I will echo the sentiment about the 3rd Party Arcee figures. Stay CLEAR away from the Impossible Toys one. It's absolute garbage. I wasted a lot of money on that.

For "Springer", Fansproject made a "Warbot" that pretty much IS Springer, 3rd party again but it's damn nice. http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=FPJ10013&mode=retail

Triple-Changer and everything. :)
I agree with AFCollector. I actually sent my IT Arcee back. Cost me $15 in shipping and restocking fees, but it was better than the $75 hole.

I also bought the Warbot Defender. It's a very, very good figure. A little overly complicated for my tastes in the transformation, and I could do without the diecast, but every mode is solid and the figure is pretty well articulated. He can even pull his sidearms from their holsters on his legs.

El Chuxter
11-18-2010, 12:05 PM
Still haven't sen Banzai-Tron, but I ordered him from HTS with the promo code.

Lord Malakite
11-18-2010, 12:17 PM
Don't know any of you guys care about restaurant toys when it comes to Transformers, but just a heads up in case you do. The next McDonalds Happy Meal promo is Hello Kitty (for girls) and Transformers (for boys). They just started a Mega Mind Happy Meal promo on Friday (October 29th) and there are 8 of those toys, so you probably got about 4 weeks till the Transformers promo starts.

Pictures of the Megatron and Optimus Prime figures from this Happy Meal set are out now. If my math is correct these should start showing up at McDonalds on Black Friday. Below is the list of figures supposedly in the set.


Optimus Prime
Megatron
Bumblebee
Starscream
Ironhide
Grindor/Blackout

El Chuxter
11-18-2010, 12:19 PM
Any idea if those are movie or Prime? I haven't seen enough of Megatron from Prime to be able to tell for sure, and Optimus looks the same in both.

Lord Malakite
11-18-2010, 01:09 PM
Any idea if those are movie or Prime? I haven't seen enough of Megatron from Prime to be able to tell for sure, and Optimus looks the same in both.

Hard to say. The McDonalds site is simply promoting these (thus far in the "upcoming" toys section) generically as just "Transformers". All of the discussions I've seen at this point on TF websites also appear to be stumped at this point. Did find some poor quality pics of Megatron/Optimus and the other characters though while searching. Below are the poor quality pictures of the remaining figures (I'll edit my above post to include the poor quality Megatron and Optimus pictures).

El Chuxter
11-18-2010, 01:50 PM
Starscream definitely looks movie to me; Prime's Starscream is far more streamlined and looks a lot like the Animated version. (This using a character's name for a new series and universe is getting confusing!)

Seems odd that Hasbro has no Prime figure plans for the immediate future, will most likely roll the GIJoe: Renegades figures (also not until next year) into the Pursuit of Cobra line, and has a McDonald's promotion with movie figures in an off year... when the shows start next week! Haven't they heard that cartoons are usually watched by kids, and kids expect Santa to bring them toys based on their favorite cartoons?

Lord Malakite
11-18-2010, 03:38 PM
Starscream definitely looks movie to me; Prime's Starscream is far more streamlined and looks a lot like the Animated version. (This using a character's name for a new series and universe is getting confusing!)
Honestly no way to tell at this point. You could be right and they are based on the movies. Then again... They could be based on Prime and you may have a weird situation going on with Starscream like what happened with the Russ Cargill toy (from "The Simpsons Movie" kids meal promo from Burger King a few years back).

Darth Metalmute
11-18-2010, 09:36 PM
What time and channel does the new transformers air?

El Chuxter
11-18-2010, 11:00 PM
Anyone want the Hot Rod vs Cyclonus set, but isn't interested in the comic book? I'd like to get the comic, which is an "off-camera" scene from the 1986 movie pitting the two against one another, but have no interest in getting the figures again.

Darth Metalmute
11-19-2010, 08:20 AM
If I find it and pick it up, you can have the comic Chux. I've been contemplating that set because I never got Hot Rod.