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JediTricks
06-27-2011, 02:34 PM
Target has the wave 2 Cyberverse Commander w/ Base sets $2 off right now. I saw a few Megatrons and 1 Optimus Prime, but the Prime has really bland paint, and the trailer is truly cheapo in design, so I went with Megs.

CyCmdr Megatron is alright, they got detail in and a fairly nice transformation for a small figure. Paint is blah. He towers above Cmdr Optimus.

The trailer actually has much more going on than Hasbro seems to realize, the little guns link at the ends suggesting another shape, the "wings" are really mech arms that the instructions don't understand, and so on. Not fantastic, and the line is a ripoff at $15, but fun if you have imagination to figure out the trailer better than the Hasbro folks.


Wait, what's one per case? Grapple, Windcharger, or both?I'm complaining about Windcharger being 1 per case, but I believe the Voyager case is 1 per case for each figure as well.


That makes perfect sense. I mean, really. Who would toss in some low-demand classic character reissue and expect him to be nearly as popular as a random, made-up repaint of Seaspray? :rolleyes:Yeah, gotta make sure a mold that's pegwarmed hard can pegwarm hard in new colors rather than move one that's been hot every iteration of the mold's release. It's about focus, son!


I've got a feeling I'm just going to pick up every one of each I see (assuming I do see any), and find the extras nice homes among the folks here.Damned right.



The scout cases I've seen are 2 figure per case so far. I'm still hunting for a Windcharger myself, all but given up. I haven't seen any new Star Wars or Transformer figures (Barring the movie garbage) in several months, just kind of depressing. Hope you guys have better luck than me! :)The scout listings for the Windcharger case are 1 per case for each character, including the physical case they had on display at Botcon that the official store was selling for $48. Total jerk move on Hasbro's part. I've also all but given up, and Hasbro's boys toys lines are depressing right now, total distribution failure for the last 6 months.



I can't say they were here in abundance, but I just found Thundercracker, Wheeljack, and Warpath at Wal-Mart as well about a half hour ago. I wasn't even looking for toys, or planning to go out, but the handle on the toilet broke and, well, we must have two functioning toilets.Ugh, so frustrating to hear that after dropping $20 on HTS for Warpath (stupid expensive shipping).

BTW, the toilet can still flush without the handle, though your ladies might not be interested. Either manually move the flush mechanism, or bypass it by pouring a lot more water into the bowl very quickly (a toilet system is a siphon, adding more water raises the water level causing the siphon to draw it all out, you don't even need the tank portion really).

Chaddymac
06-27-2011, 02:40 PM
The scout listings for the Windcharger case are 1 per case for each character, including the physical case they had on display at Botcon that the official store was selling for $48. Total jerk move on Hasbro's part. I've also all but given up, and Hasbro's boys toys lines are depressing right now, total distribution failure for the last 6 months.

Oh that's why you're confused! The Botcon store (as well as other online retailers) are selling half cases. The actual full retail case has two of every figure (including Windcharger) with the exception of two figures (I can't remember the other one, but one is Insecticon) of which there is only one in each case. It LOOKS like they are offering two different case assortments because those two figures are different, but it's actually the same assortment split in half.

So, everyone's right! And NO ONE gets a Windcharger. yay.

El Chuxter
06-29-2011, 08:25 PM
Warpath. Is. AWESOME!

Wheeljack is also nicer than Tracks by a slim margin. Thundercracker, well, someone mentioned something about the mold getting soft earlier, and I think I can see what whoever it was meant. He's not bad, but something about the details and overall definition is starting to look knockoff-y. I'm not complaining, but, if they ever decide to take a crack at Sunstorm or any of the other "generic" Seekers, they might need to update something in the production process.

figrin bran
06-29-2011, 09:39 PM
Patience. Sometimes they're slow to hit. I read reports of the Target-exclusive GIJoe mini-vehicles hitting Ross and had to scour every Ross within 50 miles for a while before I found them. Once they showed up, no problem at all.

I have seen some stuff I'm pretty sure are remnants of both the Scout and Voyager cases, though.

Chux is right...even here in Los Angeles, I've been able to find multiples of the Target exclusive Joe vehicles. You figure that the production run on those has to be less than the production run for the "lost" Reveal the Shield toys.

That being said, I'll pick up extras if/when I come by them.

AFCollector
06-30-2011, 12:17 PM
Warpath. Is. AWESOME!

Wheeljack is also nicer than Tracks by a slim margin. Thundercracker, well, someone mentioned something about the mold getting soft earlier, and I think I can see what whoever it was meant. He's not bad, but something about the details and overall definition is starting to look knockoff-y. I'm not complaining, but, if they ever decide to take a crack at Sunstorm or any of the other "generic" Seekers, they might need to update something in the production process.

Gotta echo all of this. I'm so glad I found a Warpath. Thundercracker was never my favourite Seeker, but I kinda had to have all three. The mold does appear to have lost some of it's detail and the plastic on mine feels a bit brittle in a few places, but it's just standing with Starscream and Skywarp so...I'm not too worried about him.

JediTricks
06-30-2011, 04:52 PM
I got Warpath in the mail last week, and yeah, he's awesome. The tank mode treads don't line up right, but the rest is golden.

Got Voyager Battle Blades Prime on clearance from HTS for $10, it's a really good figure, even improves in a few ways on the LC version it's aping. The back panels are the one area it doesn't do as well though, they're too big. But his smaller size makes him a good compliment to the DOTM Voyagers (better than that line's tiny, solar-paneled version).

Got LC Ironhide too, a very big figure, some flaws, but overall a good entry.

figrin bran
07-04-2011, 01:37 AM
I searched 3 Ross locations this weekend and found no TF's whatsoever.

I did get the WM repaint of deluxe DOTM Optimus. And I saw but passed on Voyager Sentinel.

Tycho
07-04-2011, 02:52 AM
I think I'm in the market for 1 more Voyager Sentinel Prime. Leonard Nimoy voiced a great character. I've requested that spoilers be discussed - they will impact the toys most certainly. But I will hold back to see if anyone objects first.

Darth Metalmute
07-04-2011, 07:37 AM
Did they make the Predator SUV yet?

JediTricks
07-05-2011, 06:12 PM
Have you guys noticed that nearly every figure in the DOTM line for dlx and voyager is super bland? Bland colors, lacking details, lots of neutral tones, even lazy executions on existing colors, that's what it seems like to me. I would bet the problem is either lack of inspiration or a heavy effect of cheapness on Hasbro's part. Even the figures I like from this line are pretty bland or just monotone.



I did get the WM repaint of deluxe DOTM Optimus. And I saw but passed on Voyager Sentinel.AFAIK, there is no repaint of dlx OP yet, WM has the original, the repaint rumor was only just leaked a couple days ago.

El Chuxter
07-05-2011, 06:59 PM
Have you guys noticed that nearly every figure in the DOTM line for dlx and voyager is super bland?
I have not noticed that. I suppose not realizing how the DOTM figures suck is one of the perks of ignoring them altogether. :p

Darth Metalmute
07-06-2011, 08:21 AM
The only ones I have bought have been Cyberverse and I have been happy with those. I have noticed that the color schemes of the DOTM line is very cartoonish, which is the whole reason I haven't picked up Shockwave and some of the others.

JediTricks
07-06-2011, 02:54 PM
Shockwave's purple is a bit much, but somehow even it seems drab. Same with Skyhammer's blue.

El Chuxter
07-07-2011, 11:05 PM
What's up with DOTM Powerglide (I dunno what "new" size he is, but it looks to be between Legends-class and Scout-class)? Was he a leftover of some sort who was lumped into the movie line? I saw him at WM today, and he looks like a better update of the character than the (albeit awesome) Classics Voyager figure. I was sorely tempted, I must say.

Any other "hidden Classics" in the line?

AFCollector
07-08-2011, 09:19 AM
They call that size "Cyberverse", which also folds in some Legends-class repaints. Go figure. He's the only classics nod I've seen so far in this line, but in the ROTF line there was a Hoist packed with a Decepticon, he actually tempted me and I avoid the movie stuff altogether.

Chaddymac
07-08-2011, 10:38 AM
What's up with DOTM Powerglide (I dunno what "new" size he is, but it looks to be between Legends-class and Scout-class)? Was he a leftover of some sort who was lumped into the movie line? I saw him at WM today, and he looks like a better update of the character than the (albeit awesome) Classics Voyager figure. I was sorely tempted, I must say.

Any other "hidden Classics" in the line?

Depends on your definition, but there is a Guzzle coming soon.

Speaking of Botcon, I just realized something. To my fellow Botconners, didn't Hasbro say they were going to reveal a few additional figures the weekend after the movie opened that would have otherwise been spoilers? I'm guessing HA Soundwave is among them. But I don't remember seeing anything. Did I miss a news release?

JediTricks
07-09-2011, 06:47 PM
They didn't say they would reveal them, just that they COULDN'T reveal them until that weekend. At the time, I :rolleyes: and now I still do, they're being particularly obtuse about not showing the better-looking deluxes (I suspect/hope they'll rectify that at Comic-Con). They did this week release a new pack of images through their media site including Dark Sentinel Prime, but there wasn't anything major new in the release.


BTW, something I forgot to mention, but LC Ironhide has ZERO Mechtech ports (aside from his fists, obviously). Not sure what that's about. Oh, and I tried to put a Human Alliance Basic figure in weapon mode in his arm, it scales nicely, but his arm drops immediately, no way he can hold them.

happy
07-11-2011, 09:00 PM
I got TF: United Grapple in the mail today. With the US release Grapple impossible to find, I figured paying a few dollars more for a higher quality figure would be worth it. Boy was I right.

AFCollector
07-12-2011, 11:44 AM
Yeah, I hate to admit it but all the Henkei versions of my Classics figures are far superior, I even recently snagged a United Bumblebee in anticipation of a Goldbug upgrade kit that's in the works. (Since he's gold, y'know.) Even the Japanese versions of the Transformers:Animated figures look/feel better to me, dunno why we get the crappy plastic and poor distribution.

Darth Metalmute
07-12-2011, 04:20 PM
So these TF: United figures are exactly the same only better made? Thats weird. Don't know if this is on the same level but I recently picked up a Classic Thundercracker figure on ebay that is the correct color for him, not the darker blue that was released in the states, however it feels very cheep.

Chaddymac
07-12-2011, 04:45 PM
Yeah - that was probably one of the many knockoffs. Much lower quality than Hasbro's, though the mold has gone through some degradation.

AFCollector
07-12-2011, 07:00 PM
Gotta echo Chaddymac's post. Thundercracker was the last seeker to make it to the States and it was the victim of the Knockoffers shortly before that. I have seen one in person and it really doesn't look that bad. If yours was loose, odds are it was a knockoff, sorry. Doesn't matter though, so long as he looks the part he's supposed to play in your collection and you didn't pay too much for him.

The Takara figures are usually made with different paint applications and sometimes better quality plastic. There's picture comparisons of most of the figures out on the net if you care to look. Our Tracks and theirs look different, as well as Wheeljack and Jazz and is very noticeable on the "Laser Optimus Prime". The one it's easiest to see is the figure I mentioned earlier, Bumblebee: In the "Reveal the Shield" version, he's a re-use/repaint of his "Classics" figure, with the 2 black stripes painted on him to tie him into his "live action movie" disaster. The "United" version is molded in gold-esque plastic, and treated with metallic accents.

I also have both the "Classics" version and "Henkei" version of quite a few Transformers and they look noticeably different in decoration as well as feel different in their construction, I prefer the Takara versions over the Hasbro versions hands down, and even ended up paying LESS for the Takara versions a few times, which I never thought made much sense.

Darth Metalmute
07-13-2011, 07:19 AM
I looked closer at it last night and it appears that some screws where loose. Once I tightened them, the figure held together better. But yeah, I think its a knock off.

AFCollector
07-13-2011, 08:36 AM
Well, like I said, if it holds together well and looks the part and didn't cost too much, he's fine really. Mine came from HTS and feels very cheap. Plastic is almost brittle, I don't like handling it too much. He stands with Starscream and Skywarp on the shelf tho, so he does his job well.

JediTricks
07-13-2011, 03:24 PM
Often for me, the Japanese releases just don't offer enough to justify spending 3x the money. They're better usually (not always) but they aren't 3 times better, they're often like 25% better. And a lot of my buddies complain about the Japanese releases being more fragile (this is a more recent development, 10 years ago they were always consistently better).


I picked up Sandstorm, Icepick, and Whirl from the Human Alliance Basic line. Each has its own issues but its own charms too. Whirl makes a really good weapon emplacement, and even though the chopper is silly small and the colors aren't too good, it kinda works.

AFCollector
07-13-2011, 05:23 PM
I agree wholeheartedly that they're pricy. I will only spring for them when I'm faced paying roughly the same amount via gougers for the American releases. I got into collecting the "Classics" line late and most of them had gone off the shelves here already, so in order to get them, I had to look on Ebay or spring for the Takara versions. Well if I'm going to have to pay $30 for a Classics Cliffjumper, well I'm gonna get the $30 one from Japan with the cooler paintjob.

I haven't had any quality issues though. For example: all the complaints about the Masterpiece Rodimus? I haven't had any of those problems with mine, and no fragility issues with any official figures either. Knockoffs though...that's another story. I have only purchased a handful of these as cheap parts for customs, but they are generally incredibly inferior in their materials, and some of the "3rd Party" figures are incredibly cheaply made for their cost. The most notorious of these is a recent "Not Arcee" figure that was just such utter crap, I actually repackaged it and Ebayed it at a loss to get rid of it.

Chaddymac
07-13-2011, 07:12 PM
This is a great Groupon. I wonder why it's only showing up for people in Louisville?

http://www.groupon.com/louisville/deals/hasbro-louisville

AFCollector
07-14-2011, 07:48 AM
Dunno, but I snagged one last night. Thanks for the head's up. Of course everything I would buy is out of stock soooo...thankfully they don't expire. I'll hang onto it till something I want does pop up.

El Chuxter
07-19-2011, 08:14 PM
I can attest to Grapple and Windcharger showing up at Ross, having gotten them myself today. :beard: One Windcharger; he was the only Scout-class figure. One Grapple, who appeared to be in an untouched column of Voyagers: two Deep Dives, two Lugnuts, and one Grapple. They also had put out Laser Prime and Perceptor, along with some ROTF stuff (Activators, I think).

Windcharger is sweet. Anyone who's been "meh" about him, I'd urge you to reconsider. I've got him posed looking slightly upward, with his hands on his waist; he looks cocky, just the way he should. I haven't opened Grapple or Lugnut yet, and won't until after Comic-Con. (Yes, I bought Lugnut. I know he's not G1, but he looked bloody awesome. Had he not been $10, or if he were an Autobot, I'd likely have passed. But I can use a few more 'Cons; I always feel like the heroes should be underdogs, but Hasbro makes it tough to do that, given the way they release something like seventeen Autobots for every Decepticon.)

figrin bran
07-19-2011, 09:37 PM
I saw a few Generations Wheeljacks and Thundercrackers at two different Target locations so anyone still needing those two might check your local Targets. DOTM hasn't drowned out Generations restocks completely.

I picked up Human Alliance Roadbuster at Target today but probably won't open up until I've returned from San Diego.

JediTricks
07-20-2011, 12:15 AM
Generations is still shipping, so there's no reason you shouldn't see them at Target and WM (TRU is stuck with too much old product right now). I also saw Thundercracker getting bought at WM a couple days ago.

Roadbuster is definitely a figure you need to have time with, 45 complex little steps each way, and some of it is in the wrong order, vague, or just incorrect, and out of the box it's a disaster of inobvious mistransformations due to... well, I don't know why the factory did those things actually, didn't have to be that way. It's not a shabby vehicle mode, although even with all the paint it has, the deco is weak compared to what the movie design asks of it (I've seen photos of the movie design, not the movie itself - that's a point of pride ;)). The robot mode is... well, let's just say that Tycho's overenthusiastic gushings about this figure are once again based on his hopes, since he hadn't opened it at the time of the post (and I believe still hasn't). Ok, let's also say that the figure has some good stuff going for it, but also shows signs of some of the weaker elements of Human Alliance, such as a mediocre waist design, and wonky shoulders, and loose kibble parts, and inaccuracy for no immediately-obvious reasons.

El Chuxter
07-20-2011, 01:36 AM
I guess I lied. I opened Lugnut. He's pretty damned awesome. Plane mode is a bit sucktacular, but robot form is sweet.

I'm not sure what the "mandible" is supposed to be. Is it actually his lower jaw, which is how it appears in the pictures on the box? When it's in the down position, he has what looks like a rather Jetfire-esque face with a huge laser on the top.

AFCollector
07-20-2011, 11:17 AM
Yeah, I wish I had your luck ;p I've been hoping to find those figures for awhile now, but the stores here are just dry. Congrats on your find! :)

That mandible thing is his lower jaw, he's a re-do of the Animated character. I haven't seen the figure in person yet, so I dunno what's behind it, but the Animated figure had just the 1 eye.

Darth Metalmute
07-21-2011, 06:50 PM
Anyone know whats up with the Target re-paints? because frankly, outside of getting a new jet figure, they are ugly.

JediTricks
07-25-2011, 05:02 PM
HUGE WARNING about MP Rodimus from the US release. The instructions have been screwed up in several seemingly-small but INCREDIBLY VITAL ways, one of which led to me having to disassemble the head, and 2 others are so super wrong that the transformation CANNOT be completed as Hasbro shows them. The head has 2 fold-away faces, the Hot Rod face folds into the helmet, but the hinging makes it not work without knowing how each one goes, and there's a tab that can be easily bypassed, throwing the HR head into the back of the helmet where it won't be retrievable. The feet have to be put into a very specific position, which the US instructions either ignore or are so badly glossing over that they come off as completely ignorant. The hands position is inexcusably wrong, there is no vagueness here, the position they have those hands in is simple IMPOSSIBLE to finish the transformation with. The instructions are more than useless this way, they are actively making this figure MUCH WORSE. Instead, use the Japanese instructions, I think Hasbro copied them wholesale, took out the text obviously, and then tried to "improve" by simplifying a few steps and not understanding a few VITAL steps. Here's good scans of the instructions, I'll start you off on the robot mode's first page in the full-sized version (and I suggest you save these in case seibertron has to pull them down):
http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/toys/masterpiece/rodimus-convoy/2285/2/54/

As for Firebolt (named Offshoot in the packaging, it's an easy name to lose the rights to), the instructions show his weapon mode plugging the pistol grip into Hot Rod's vehicle mode engine, which is patently impossible. In fact, Firebolt was CLEARLY designed so that the grip folds up and the tab at the rear (it has the head on it), which remains where it is and plugs into the engine in a much lower-profile height, but does Hasbro know this, even though it's THEIR EXCLUSIVE FIGURE?!? No, of course not.


Anyway, MP Rodimus out of the package suffering Hasbro's blithering lack of understanding of the figure is downright horrible. It's only once you see how it's supposed to be done right that it becomes a decent figure. Vehicle mode is fairly satisfying, although Hasbro's cheapness here and there with obvious lacks of paint touches, and the use of stickers for the upper arms that are on white instead of silver (and why is there another Autobot faction logo as a sticker, alongside a Decepticon one? Not that I mind freebies of those, but why this set, what am I missing?). I'm really glad they didn't bother with the Rodimus Prime trailer, it would have been way too expensive and used almost none of the existing figure in vehicle mode (literally just the wing, and the back wheels are used as the fronts on RP, everything else is a huge shell). I do miss the original spoiler design, this isn't bad, but the other looked more like it was part of the vehicle, this is the more modern "bolted onto the center of the car" iteration that I find underwhelming. Some of the vac-metal has already come off, and the shin paint took a little damage right away. I guess that's the price of doing business with Hasbro these days.

And for the discussion about the Matrix, he does indeed come with 2, the little one is in his chest, the larger one is a different mold (but very similar to) the MP Optimus one.


That mandible thing is his lower jaw, he's a re-do of the Animated character. I haven't seen the figure in person yet, so I dunno what's behind it, but the Animated figure had just the 1 eye.Actually, the animated character has 5 eyes, one big eye and then a couple of little ones on either side of his head. And the RTS figure does too.

AFCollector
07-25-2011, 08:00 PM
Well I meant in the front, just the 1, but thanks.

Nice review of MP Rodimus, made my decision to keep my $'s in the bank all the easier. :)

Safe to assume you're not fiddling with it excessively? And the vac-metal stuff is already flaking? Yikes.

figrin bran
07-25-2011, 08:20 PM
JT, thanks for the link to MP Rodimus's Japanese instructions. I know I went wrong somewhere because I wasn't able to conceal all the gaps in alt mode.

Chaddymac
07-25-2011, 08:51 PM
I agree with everything JT said except I came to a different conclusion. I LOVE the Hasbro version, but primarily because I got the first Japanese version and the Hasbro version fixed virtually every problem I had - it's just a better figure (with an arguably less interesting deco). I'm wondering if anyone got the 2nd version of the Japanese Rodimus. I'm curious if it uses the same mold changes.

I didn't find the Japanese instructions particularly helpful with regards to the feet transformation. In order to get the car mode together and the wheels appropriately flush, they have to be in EXACTLY the right ratchet point and the thigh/shin joints have to be completely collapsed. I'm just thrilled that this version doesn't have all the issues I had with the first release. Anyone know of a company offering parts to repair my original? It so ****es me off that I spent so much on what amounted to a completely awful failed figure.

JediTricks
07-27-2011, 03:27 PM
Thanks to Figrin Bran for getting me TF Prime Dlx Optimus from the HasbroToyShop disaster line. I messed with the figure yesterday. Here's a review, I guess...

The packaging is exceptionally nice, there's an outer box with 2 panels at the front, OP's chest windows, held together by a large "First Issue" fridge magnet. Inside the chest is the Matrix of Leadership bubble pack with the figure in the middle, the handles of the Matrix have a spongy lanyard through them to make it wearable, the lanyard is velcroed together for easy removal and sports Autobot logos inside tech detailing printed on one side. Beneath the Matrix is the instructions which are pretty important. The bubble Matrix package is merely taped closed for easy removal and replacement of the figure, inside are cardboard inserts which give it the golden Matrix look and spark burst behind the figure. It really is a top-drawer presentation, worth the extra $10 for a transfan.

OP is not properly transformed in package at his hands, which are halfway out of position. Popping them down reduces the kibble effect of the panels around them, but doesn't help with the overly-long arms. The robot mode looks good, but the dlx pricepoint doesn't really flatter the character so well. There are flaws beyond the long forearms, but it gets away with them pretty easily, except for the large box feet and maybe the thick facade chest "windows". Instead of having a gigantic chest and shoulders with spindly legs, the figure is more balanced making for a more satisfying appearance to me, someone who doesn't really like the TF Prime aesthetic all that much. The head sculpt, while a touch small for the overall body (it's scaled to the chest, but the chest isn't as overwhelmingly large as on the show), looks better than the show art thanks to sharp lines on the mouthplate (yay, no awkward mouth and missing nose!) and more traditionally-TF-shaped eyes. Except for a lack of silver paint on the top crest vents, it's pretty much everything one could want.

OP's gun is trying to straddle the line between looking like an extension of his forearm and a traditional hand-held TF weapon, and it does so pretty well. It has 2 grips, one recessed which fits most of the way over the hand, and the other forward of that which isn't recessed at all. The barrel has a blue stripe down either side, but no detail on the business end.

Range of motion is mostly pretty good, some parts are restricted, but overall it's good work. Lots of joints, Optimus isn't just a statue.

Transformation is very interesting, impressive for a deluxe. There's plenty going on without feeling like a rehash of anything which came before it and without forcing a massive amount of kibble cheating anywhere. There's even a fold-out trailer hitch which the gun can plug into, Hasbro seems to feel the barrel should only point out, but it actually fits nicely pointing into the vehicle's back.

Vehicle mode is pretty decent, more satisfying than I expected. It's a bit chibi compared to the show art (the show is more realistic while this is reimagined into more stylized angles), but in a beefy way that looks good. I didn't think I'd like the stylized look of TF:Animated figures, but I did; and now owning this Optimus, I fear I may be falling into that same trap again. There's no big problems, no weird gaps or ugly robot parts showing, nothing loose or problematic, and it has a 5mm trailer hitch that LOOKS LIKE A TRAILER HITCH - I suspect a trailer is coming inside of a year, probably for the Voyager but usable here too.

All in all, I think for TF Prime's first figure, this was a good choice - it's not crazy expensive, it's the main character, it's in terrific packaging with a wearable Matrix and a nice fridge magnet, and the figure has plenty going for it.




Well I meant in the front, just the 1, but thanks.

Nice review of MP Rodimus, made my decision to keep my $'s in the bank all the easier. :)

Safe to assume you're not fiddling with it excessively? And the vac-metal stuff is already flaking? Yikes.MP Rodimus is not a bad figure, I'd rate him in quality around MP Grimlock's level, it's cool to have. But it's just not as "wow" a piece as MP Prime or Starscream, and then Hasbro does all they can to torpedo the figure via instructions.

Excessively? No. Dude, the friggin' pipes started de-metalizing the moment I took it out of the package. It hasn't worsened since then, but the damage will force more to flake off over time no matter what I do.


JT, thanks for the link to MP Rodimus's Japanese instructions. I know I went wrong somewhere because I wasn't able to conceal all the gaps in alt mode.Sure thing. It was the first thing I did when I started running into trouble, googled the japanese instructions from my cell. Chaddy is right though that the Japanese instructions don't help with the feet angled in vehicle mode, there's a midpoint joint which isn't shown being engaged in either instructions, that's the crucial joint to use! Still, the hands, the other problems, there's a lot the US instructions should be ashamed about - the hands were heartbreaking really, the arms simply would not fit into the vehicle no matter how I did it, Hasbro's insisting this is the right way and it's not.



I agree with everything JT said except I came to a different conclusion. I LOVE the Hasbro version, but primarily because I got the first Japanese version and the Hasbro version fixed virtually every problem I had - it's just a better figure (with an arguably less interesting deco). I'm wondering if anyone got the 2nd version of the Japanese Rodimus. I'm curious if it uses the same mold changes.

I didn't find the Japanese instructions particularly helpful with regards to the feet transformation. In order to get the car mode together and the wheels appropriately flush, they have to be in EXACTLY the right ratchet point and the thigh/shin joints have to be completely collapsed. I'm just thrilled that this version doesn't have all the issues I had with the first release. Anyone know of a company offering parts to repair my original? It so ****es me off that I spent so much on what amounted to a completely awful failed figure.Just to reiterate, I don't dislike MP Hot Rod, it's got a lot to like. It's just that I'm not WOW about it the way you are, but then again I didn't spend $200 for the Japanese release only to learn that TakaraTomy had screwed up the ratchets in the feet once I was all-in.

The ankle/foot joint is not actually that difficult, but you are right that the Japanese instructions miss that (or expect the joint to be weak enough to give when the arms are pushed against it, which may explain why the joints there failed on v1). But it's an easy thing once you know what to look for, simply make sure that midpoint joint is bending, and you're golden. 2 out of 3 times though, I forget until I'm at the last step - once I was able to fix the joint without detransforming back, but before that it was a real beast to get to.

El Chuxter
07-29-2011, 05:03 PM
Toys R Us has a "20% off one item" coupon on their Facebook page, which is good for a few weeks.

I plan to use it to get Rodimus, if I'm able to.

El Chuxter
08-07-2011, 11:23 PM
So, umm, anyone found Rodimus yet? I'm seriously wondering if they're holding him until after this particularly generous coupon expires.

Chaddymac
08-08-2011, 12:21 PM
He's showing up elsewhere, so it's not likely they are trying to avoid releasing him during the coupon period. I'm thinking he'll hit SoCal this week.

figrin bran
08-08-2011, 09:18 PM
Toys R Us has a "20% off one item" coupon on their Facebook page, which is good for a few weeks.

I plan to use it to get Rodimus, if I'm able to.

I think the coupon installed malware on my computer! I did a scan and it said I had some infected files from a coupon and most likely it was this one.

I searched 3 different Ross locations and only found one Deep Dive and one Backfire. I also saw pegs full of the Target exclusive BB w. Cybertronian writing on him and by today they were all gone. It's hard to imagine a repaint being that highly sought after???

Tycho
08-09-2011, 02:38 AM
I possibly have an extra Warpath. If someone wants him, I have the receipt. Cost plus shipping and he's yours, I think.

If not, I'll be returning him shortly.

Tycho
08-14-2011, 10:07 PM
DOTM / Bay-Verse Figures I want that aren't made (or released yet):

Dino - Human Alliance, Deluxe, Cyberverse
Top Spin - Human Alliance
Leadfoot - Deluxe (Human Alliance is coming)
Roadbuster (Cyberverse is coming)

Jetfire - Voyager, Cyberverse
Wheelie - Cyberverse

Megatron (Jet) - Cyberverse
Megatron (Tank) - Cyberverse
Megatron (Truck) - Leader Class

Starscream - (Cyberverse single-carded is coming)

Soundwave (car) - Leader Class, Deluxe (Cyberverse and Human Alliance are coming)

Shockwave - huge Masterpiece with snake coil, Leader Class (Cyberverse is coming)

Brawl (Devastator) - Voyager, Cyberverse
Barricade - Human Alliance re-release (possibly with white Chicago paint scheme)
Scorponok - Scout Class or commander -class size Cyberverse
Frenzy - Cyberverse
Bonecrusher - Leader Class
Blackout - Leader Class

Scrapper - Deluxe
Overload - Voyager
HighTower - Deluxe
Rampage - Human Alliance

Laserbeak - Cyberverse

Galvatron - Masterpiece, Leader Class, Cyberverse
Cyclonus - Masterpiece, Leader Class, Cyberverse
Scourge - Masterpiece, Leader Class, Cyberverse
Blitzwing - Leader Class, Voyager, Cyberverse
Astrotrain - Leader Class, Voyager, Cyberverse

Ultra Magnus - Masterpiece (correct G1 look), Leader Class, Cyberverse Deluxe
Springer - Masterpiece, Leader Class, Cyberverse
Arcee (car) - Deluxe, Cyberverse
Wreck-Gar - Cyberverse

I don't think I forgot anything I want. A Leader Cass Space-Case might be really next to impossible, but I'd buy him. I just like the looks of this character.

JediTricks
08-15-2011, 01:32 PM
Got HA Basic Tailpipe, Pinpointer & Sgt Whocares from HTS on Saturday (with the 2 free figures from my order, but not the other 3 figures I actually ordered). Sgt Noble (why are these names SO BAD?!?) is another whatever, but at least he has a face, sculpting on the figure's armor plates and helmet is decent enough. Tailpipe is alright, I like the figure even though it's got a bit of a kibble problem on the back, and the head can't turn. The head has a real face below the 4 faux LED headlights (the ones from the bike don't go anywhere, but the ones over the tiny face are supposed to look like the same ones). Bike mode is decent, if a bit oversized for the human, but has stability issues at the midpoint and alignment issues at the front end (the instructions are nearly useless sorting out the handlebars folding down and the rest going around that). Weapon mode is lame, can't stand on its own, but kind of amusing too, I always like fold out blades from wheels, I'm a sucker. Tailpipe's tailpipe in bot mode is hinged across his back, but can be positioned as a gun sticking out from his left hip - oddly, the tailpipe is the grip for weapon mode, but the 5mm grip is a collar that slips off to reveal a smaller peg. Pinpointer is what makes this set work though, he's a little robot with big bulky fists, and he can turn into a dual-chain-gun handheld weapon that has an alternate layout to plug into the back of the bike. None of it is great, but together it's all kinda cool

JediTricks
08-20-2011, 01:59 PM
The mailman delivered another part of my HTS order yesterday...

HA Drag Strip with Master Disaster

This is a bad figure. Not "so bad it's good" bad either, just "so bad, I wonder who gave design duties over to the intern" bad.

I don't even know where to start, it's got a bad deco, a middling sculpt, confused articulation, terrible "weapons" which don't stow or get used in alt mode, awful accessories, not enough personality, problems with light passing through most of the parts, shoulders that don't lock down and don't align right and have a mess of excess parts, and the most unusable trashy "weapon" mode yet where the whole car I guess is supposed to be a blade weapon held from a peg in the middle. Oh, and Master Disaster, who is dark smoke translucent plastic, suggesting he's a hologram rather than a character, doesn't fit in the vehicle cockpit and can't hold the steering wheel once you jam the figure into it in a way that goes beyond what the hip joints allow (the hips have to go 90 degrees and then get pushed together, and you can't do any of that without de-transforming the underside to get the human figure in). The shoulder joints are a source of pain, there are too many joints working against each other, so they will pop out. The steering wheel that has to fit into the ugly open chest also will pop out of its horrible joint. And the accessories, 2 large curved yellow and purple blades with a bunch of junky tech sculpting, have nowhere to go natively in vehicle mode. Oh, and did I mention that the instructions are confused about how the arms transform, rotating on an axis that the joint cannot move?

All in all, I think Hasbro should be ashamed to release a figure this bad.

Tycho
08-25-2011, 02:32 PM
I got the Deluxe Cyberverse (boxed) Shockwave. He's very cool!

I'm looking for that darned Human Alliance Leadfoot (full-sized car, Target exclusive).

JediTricks
08-26-2011, 01:35 PM
Thanks to Bikerscout for stashing Leadfoot for me.

Unfortunately, Leadfoot is incredibly awful. I honestly don't know what you'll do with one Tycho, this figure is dreadfully complicated and the instructions leave it totally incomplete and inaccurate for the finished product, the upper body is basically a huge gap with a skeletal shoulder and spine and then a belly. It's really bad. And even if you try to fudge it into something less bad, it fights back at every turn, leaving it still woefully gappy, just with some doors partway in front of the arms - but not where they should be, there's no jointing for that, it's like the designers abandoned this mold partway through design when Walmart and TRU said they wouldn't carry a toy with Target branding on it, then when Target said they wanted it the team forgot what they were doing and just slapped the rest together. There's so much fighting against itself on this figure that just makes it so much worse. Oh, and the goofy dog figure is hard to look at - accurate or not.

Luckily for me, Hasbro incorrectly assembled mine so that the elbow pin was shot through the joint at a funky angle that blasted right through the plastic instead of the hole, making it impossible to close all the way up in alt mode, but perfect for getting my $33 back.

BTW, for anybody who cares about this figure, the missile can be stowed inside the car if you do it during transformation, there's a long tab on the crotch piece which holds the missile partway in the cab of the car, works great - nowhere to put the dopey dog though.

El Chuxter
08-26-2011, 03:27 PM
I saw several of the later Power Core Combiners at Marshalls and TJ Maxx over the last couple of days. I wasn't too impressed with the set one of my cousins got a while back, and passed. Even more Dinobots at $12.99 aren't worth it when they suck.

Tycho
08-26-2011, 09:44 PM
Perhaps the dog figure (Steeljaw) could be posed eating a scaled human figure that resembles Michael Bay?

I heard about Leadfoot's problems from my scalper-friend since he's also a collector and opens his personal toys. He said the same thing about the chest, JT - good review though. So thanks.

I am still going to pursue 2 of these figures however. I like the Wreckers and I think the cars with numbers on them remind me of the G1 days with Smokescreen, Jazz, Wheeljack (?), and others who had racing numbers on them. That's probably why I like them - and I've occasionally been to some NASCAR races. There's some exhilleration to it that I can identify with.

So I'm looking to get all 3 Wreckers in all reasonable sizes:

Cyberverse - just needs Roadbuster (confirmed for release soon)

Deluxe - Leadfoot confirmed - in some Target exclusive 2-pack with Twin-Twist (EU) I think

Human Alliance - Target Exclusive Leadfoot, Top Spin's status here unknown (but I'd want him for sure)

Hopefully, if Hasbro makes a HA TopSpin, it will warrant a better review.

BTW, I've seen my scalper-friend's Leadfoot and I think they way the designers tried to put the front wheels together in the robot's chest, sort of like how the Batpod transforms, is actually a pretty decent attempt at something new and creative. That they attempted something other than the routine transformation can still be commended.

El Chuxter
09-02-2011, 12:40 PM
Two different things:

1) Found Windcharger again last night at Ross. No Grapples, just the Scout-class figures.

2) If I still have seen absolutely no trace of Rodimus Prime, should I start worrying? I'm thinking no; all the TRU exclusives have hung around for a bit here (even Animated Arcee wasn't hard to find with some persistence, a fact that now makes me regret not picking up extras to help some folks out). Even as awesome as Grimlock was, I think the price tag made him last a while... and I have a feeling most collectors (no kids biting on this one, I suspect) want Grimlock a lot more than Rodimus.

JediTricks
09-02-2011, 01:10 PM
Windcharger, yay! You know I'm down!

Surprised you didn't buy the PCCs at all, they do suck though.

I found 3 HA Leadfoots the other day, stashed one of them and then my grandma went into the hospital so I forgot all about it. I haven't decided if I'm going to return the defective one I got and replace it just because I can, or if I'm going to just take the cash.

Steeljaw has an opening mouth, but it has a permanent goofy tongue hanging out of it and a ridiculously cartoony expression.

Leadfoot is so very bad, I can't picture them making Topspin in HA, especially with the best one, Roadbuster, selling slowly right now.

I have my defective Leadfoot holding Steeljaw's leash, but it connects to Sgt Detour's back so he's now the prisoner.


BTW, both Leadfoot and Roadbuster sport a holographic, numbered NASCAR sticker to confirm that they are genuine licensed NASCAR product. How ironic is it that NASCAR has expensive anti-bootlegging stickers for their official products when the entire sport started with bootleggers racing from the cops?

El Chuxter
09-02-2011, 01:17 PM
I got the Huffer PCC when he first came out. He's decent enough as a small Transformer (though I wish the second head looked better; it's not too disproportionate in terms of size and looks much nicer than the small head, but it's just positioned oddly when the figure doesn't have his add-ons).

Like I said, one of my cousins got a set (the early Combaticon set, IIRC), and I helped him open it. The gimmick is lousy. I'm not against the idea of non-transforming drones snapping onto the central figure, but it didn't stay together and was about as poseable as one of my original 1980s Transformers. Not worth even the $13 I saw them at Marshall's for. For a few dollars less, I'd consider getting them.

JediTricks
09-02-2011, 03:47 PM
I have a bunch of the first 2 waves, got them when they were on sale. They are crummy, I agree, and Huffer is one of the least offensive. But if you saw the Dinobots and Constructions on sale, I am pretty surprised you didn't partake, you are a G1 kind of fellow.

figrin bran
09-05-2011, 10:11 PM
I picked up HA Leadfoot but have not opened it yet. If it really is that bad, at least I can still return it ;)

I've seen no trace whatsoever of Masterpiece Rodimus

Darth Metalmute
09-08-2011, 08:40 AM
There were three Masterpiece Rodimus at my TRU last week. Based on past Masterpiece projections, I expect them to sit for a while.
Grimlock was there for months until they clearenced them.

Ultimate Optimus Prime is making it's rounds as well. Not too sure on this one.

El Chuxter
09-08-2011, 03:33 PM
The local WM has a big outdoor toy clearance going on. Of all the shelfwarmers from various lines, the only Hasbro figures they put on clearance were the Rescue Heroes, which have been out a whole, what, month?

For $5, I seriously considered getting Prime. If any of the three are still there next time I go, I probably won't be able to resist. He's so darned cute!

JediTricks
09-08-2011, 07:32 PM
I remember Grimlock took a long time to be findable after Comic-Con, and then trickled out, then finally sat. I suspect Roddy will do the same, but he is a few bucks cheaper, I think.


Ultimate OP looks really bad from all the reviews I've seen.


WM is weird about clearancing, I bought a Superman figure that they got in less than a week before, but at every other store it wasn't clearanced. It was up to the individual store's toy section manager to determine what went on clearance, and for how much off it could be (they are given a new clearance budget once a week, I believe, which makes new clearances and new clearance prices every Friday - my local WM has clearance tags on stuff for FULL PRICE to avoid eating into their budget).

I liked the Rescue Heroes I played with at Botcon, but I have read BRUTAL reviews of OP and Bumblebee.

JediTricks
09-15-2011, 10:14 PM
A head's up for anybody hunting for the Transformers Masterpiece Rodimus - a buddy of mine in Florida said they just started showing up in his neck of the woods, en masse, at $59.99 (laaaame! $10 price hike) and that the joint where the hood meets the headlights at a small U shape, half of the ones he's seen so far have had this joint showing significant stress marks. So keep an eye out.


Thanks to Chux for getting me a Windcharger after I had given up. It's a nifty little figure, nothing super awesome, just nice color and sculpt. Not exactly perfect on the head, but good enough.

El Chuxter
09-16-2011, 12:21 AM
Better head than the '84 version. :D

JediTricks
09-16-2011, 12:49 PM
Better head than the '84 version. :DYeah, but the way the cut the helmet, it's a bit more Megatron than Windcharger.

"He's more man now than machine. Twisted and evil." - Cybertronian Star Wars

That's going in my sig.

El Chuxter
09-16-2011, 12:56 PM
It may be because I don't get many Scout figures, but the poseability on Windcharger is nice. Spread the legs, put the hands on the hips, and turn the head slightly to the side, and he's the cocky SOB his original filecard described him as being.

JediTricks
09-16-2011, 12:58 PM
It may be because I don't get many Scout figures, but the poseability on Windcharger is nice. Spread the legs, put the hands on the hips, and turn the head slightly to the side, and he's the cocky SOB his original filecard described him as being.Scouts have had a lot of poseability for a while now, although it does vary quite a lot. Windcharger has a decent amount, although the benchmark I think is Breacher.

BTW, your description of that pose reminds me of the Three Amigos' salute. :p

Maradona
09-16-2011, 01:55 PM
I can hardly wait to join the Windcharger conversation. :)

Tycho
09-22-2011, 11:12 AM
My Target has tons of HA Leadfoots. I bought my 2 but see them all the time now.

JT, I hope they still make HA Top Spin.

What of an exclusive DELUXE sized Leadfoot with an EU car, Twin Twist? I had heard of this as another Target exclusive, but have no new information on it.

With my Cyberverse Wrecker collction complete, I am looking to complete the Wreckers in HA and Deluxe editions as well.

Looking back on Sentinel Prime - a fire truck design is so cool, isn't it? I had a toy firetruck when I was a kid. I loved playing with it. Mine squirted water and honked its horn. I used to crawl on the floor while I made it roll to imaginary fires. Now I could make him roll into my Megatron or Optimus Prime figures.

JediTricks
09-22-2011, 03:51 PM
What of an exclusive DELUXE sized Leadfoot with an EU car, Twin Twist? I had heard of this as another Target exclusive, but have no new information on it.They're making a 2pack for Target of stealth force mode Leadfoot with a slight repaint of Topspin (they mistakenly wrote Twin twist in the slide, but it appears they're sticking with Topspin).

Tycho
09-22-2011, 05:48 PM
TFW2005 reports that there is a Takara-Tomy prototype of a Masterpiece Ultra Magnus with transforming trailer being developed!

I only wish the truck cab was not a repaint of Optimus Prime, but it's own exclusively ultra awesome Ultra Magnus sculpt.

My whole dream of the trailer and cab being totally connected and transforming together will probably not be realized.

The thing is, with MotorMaster back in G1 - Hasbro was able to do something like this. Why not have TT do it in Masterpiece Scale for Magnus.

The cab will become his feet again. A whole new transformation scheme with a large scale bot.

JediTricks
09-27-2011, 01:50 PM
TFW2005 reports that there is a Takara-Tomy prototype of a Masterpiece Ultra Magnus with transforming trailer being developed!

I only wish the truck cab was not a repaint of Optimus Prime, but it's own exclusively ultra awesome Ultra Magnus sculpt.

My whole dream of the trailer and cab being totally connected and transforming together will probably not be realized.

The thing is, with MotorMaster back in G1 - Hasbro was able to do something like this. Why not have TT do it in Masterpiece Scale for Magnus.

The cab will become his feet again. A whole new transformation scheme with a large scale bot.It's a concept piece, not a prototype. It may not go anywhere. It appears to use the new smaller MP Prime so Ultra Magnus would still be smaller than the existing MP Optimus we already have.

Your "dream" was already realized in the Titanium 6" line in G1 style, and the RiD line had one that was slightly legoformed but mostly what it sounds like you're talking about.

http://www.tfu.info/2007/Autobot/TitUltraMagnus/ultramagnus.htm

http://www.tfu.info/2001/Autobot/UltraMagnus/ultramagnus.htm

El Chuxter
09-28-2011, 11:24 PM
FYI: I was going through the printable coupons on target.com, and one is a manufacturers coupon (good only at Target) for "$5 off your total TRANSFORMERS Dark of the Moon toy purchase of $5.99 or more." It expires 10/16/2011.

:eek:

Yup, that's $5 off $5.99. I'm stopping by tomorrow, and methinks that's a deal I'll have to use if they have Powerglide or Guzzle in stock.

JediTricks
09-30-2011, 05:56 PM
FYI: I was going through the printable coupons on target.com, and one is a manufacturers coupon (good only at Target) for "$5 off your total TRANSFORMERS Dark of the Moon toy purchase of $5.99 or more." It expires 10/16/2011.

:eek:

Yup, that's $5 off $5.99. I'm stopping by tomorrow, and methinks that's a deal I'll have to use if they have Powerglide or Guzzle in stock.It probably won't work. It doesn't work online the way it's supposed to (it says even at $79 in my cart that it's insufficient to meet the requirements) and I suspect if you actually print it, it won't say $5 off $5.99 on the printed version. If it does, LMK, I unlocked it back when it first hit, but never printed: http://coupons.target.com/transformers-coupons

El Chuxter
09-30-2011, 06:19 PM
I printed it and used it to get Powerglide yesterday for $2.99. :thumbsup: Since we have two computers, I printed a second one in the hopes of finding Guzzle (though I'll get something for that sort of discount, even if it's a Christmas present or for Toys for Tots).

Tycho
10-07-2011, 12:42 AM
JT, how large is that Titanium Ultra Magnus again? I think you addressed that on the phone, but it was late and I forgot.

What figures would the titanium be on scale to?

1) could a Hot Rod Deluxe pretend to be Rodimus Prime next to Magnus in robot mode?

2) what size Autobot cars could Magnus carry on his trailer? Deluxe? Cyberverse? Scout?

3) Decepticons that should be Magnus' size (Deluxe Cyclonus, Galvatron, Scourge) are in that proportion to him?

The RiD figure doesn't look very good at all.

So I'm trying to figure if I should turn to eBay for the Titanium Magnus.

Tycho
10-17-2011, 09:52 PM
Hasbro in talks with Steven Spielberg and MICHAEL BAY on Transformers 4!

This could be awesome!

It would surely mean "no re-boot" for the franchise (unless they use time travel since Megatron is dead)!

Why would Michael Bay make new movies that negate his old films?

Next - those of us that mostly collect the movie toys will get a break (but I just bought Titanium Ultra Magnus - haven't received him yet, but he's coming).

However, this could mean new movie characters like Galvatron, CYCLONUS, Scourge - many Decepticons since most were killed.

On the Autobot side, I'm not sure about the Death of Optimus Prime (again). They did that in ROTF for live action, and as the historic successor, Rodimus Prime hasn't really been introduced. He will not be Bumblebee - becoming the new leader. No! I love Camaro Bumblebee just the way he is. SideSwipe and Ratchet are the only other older, established Autobots still alive who could take on the leader role - but neither is appropriate. Let's keep Prime. If Dino is Hot Rod, he needs greater character introduction and I would oppose even the move to make him Hot Rod in the first place.

BTW - I've always been an OPTIMUS Prime fan. Ultra Magnus might be cool for some stories, but he hasn't been introduced either.

On the Decepticon front, Prime didn't leave enough pieces of Megatron behind to make Galvatron out of the scrap. He's gone. Time travel seems to be the only way to bring him back. Soundwave and Blackout, and Shockwave (also terminated by Prime) seem to be the most loyal Decepticons who would do it. Starscream is dead anyway - should have been at Megatron's hands after a power struggle - but Starscream would never bring Megatron back anyway. Barricade might be the only Decepticon who's fate we are still unsure of.

On the other hand, Hasbro could make waves in the franchise by inventing "NEW DECEPTICON ONE," - a new character never seen before to be the new movie threat (they already told a great story about an Autobot betrayer in Sentinel Prime - DOTM was perfect in that regard).

But BAY could be lured back - for the money no doubt. Perhaps it's not what he wanted from his career, but maybe he'll even do 6 Transformers movies - or make them for the rest of his life. JEDITRICKS, your concern should be about who they hire to WRITE these movies.

I would be fine seeing Sam and Carly return, married, with Daniel as their first born. A movie set in space, on Cybertron, another planet, or even on earth and under water with aquatic Transformers (SeaSpray?!) might be very different and new. Plus the Sharkticons could be totally reinvented as very dangerous threats (think like the Hydrobots in Terminator Salvation).

Yeah, I could live with a movie carried by Hot Rod and Kup, with Springer, Arcee, and Blurr and Ultra Magnus as a good lieutenant to Prime (not dead or dying) for the 4th movie. Optimus should not die and there will be no Rodimus Prime in movie 4.

The new threat HAS TO BE Decepticons of some kind. Create a new villain from amongst them. One who will be brand new and never seen before, but who can eventually carry the weight of Megatron.

I think Transformers that are Autobots and take on our military's forms to work with N.E.S.T. should also be featured - specifically Warpath, Powerglide, Brawn, and Hound.

Mirage and a real Wheeljack (not "Que") should enter the story - as might Trailbreaker and Sunstreaker, Smokescreen, Windcharger, and Cliffjumper (not a Camaro like BumbleBee but something new). Bumblebee and Ratchet should still make appearances and not be killed off - ever. That's just cheap. Jazz and Ironhide of the original five bought it. Enough of that - and we can keep SideSwipe safe too - unless there's a dramatic death planned for him that's worthy of the character - which should otherwise be further developed. Maybe he'll take Ironhide's place as Sgt. of Arms? (I don't think Kup should get that role, even though I think his being featured is important. Find something else for him to do.)

If you want Dinobots - ever - I think a movie first introducing Transformers beasts like the Sharkticons is called for first. A fifth movie can have Dinobots - and a true Wheeljack to create them.

Wheeljack could have been Que's young apprentice. (And Dino is more like Sunstreaker than Hot Rod or Mirage - I still want a true Mirage character in the films, called by his name.)

Darth Metalmute
10-17-2011, 10:55 PM
It will probably be Unicron if there is a 4th movie. Unicron could resurrect Megatron as Galvatron as well as resurrecting the other dead Decepticons as Scourge and Cyclonus. I fully expect Dinobots and Tidal Wave.

Tycho
10-19-2011, 03:47 PM
Well I for one dislike most "fantasy." Fantasy as distinguished from science fiction.

"A mystical energy field that controls all living things," is an oversimplified explanation that's reminisive of fantasy.

Midi-Chlorians is something scientifically measurable that is a part of evolution in the SW galaxy and an answer to a question realistic characters would ask: "How come everybody can't access the Force?"

The All-Spark giving life is a ridiculous fantasy plot device that needs to have good science written around it to bring the TF movie franchise up to my preferred standards.

Unicron would need an explanation for certain. Did he build Cybertron or is it a dead or deactivated Transformer brother to Unicron as well - a movie answer hasn't been written whether or not the comics or G1 had an answer.

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Next since Optimus Prime is smart, and I would not like him to be stupid -Megatron and every last part of him and his memory core was all destroyed - as well as Sentinel Prime's, Starscream's, Soundwave's, etc. There are no parts for Unicron to build Galvatron, Cyclonus, and Scourge with. They could be completely new characters, not having anything to do with their predacessors.

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The Dinobots are still a problem for me: - only in that they need a plausible reason for them to be constructed. And then I'm OK with it. Grimlock is a lot of fun.
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TFW2005 posted pictures of DELUXE Leadfoot and HA Soundwave with Gould and Laserbeak! They look awesome and like some of the best movie-bots yet!

Every notice how that's true? Mass pre-release movie products tend to be lower quality.

El Chuxter
10-19-2011, 05:25 PM
(From the old comic book, so far as I know the only origin ever given for Unicron.)

Unicron was the Chaos-Bringer, an exceptionally powerful entity who existed only to destroy. He destroyed the entire previous universe and slept in the nothingness. Or so he thought. Remaining fragments of the previous universe combined, causing the Big Bang that created the present universe. Unicron awoke and began to destroy the new universe. The sentient core of the universe (don't ask--it was never explained) created Primus to stop Unicron. The two fought, and Primus realized that their battle was causing more and faster destruction than Unicron was capable of on his own. He lured Unicron to the astral plane, then re-materialized them both in dormant, metallic planets (which were apparently thrown to opposite ends of the universe). Unicron soon learned to re-shape his prison into a robotic planet that could transform into a likeness of his former body. Primus created thirteen Transformers with shapeshifting powers like his nemesis, bestowing upon one (Prima) his life force in the form of the Creation Matrix. Unicron now searches for Primus, who has foreseen that Unicron can be destroyed either by the Creation Matrix or the combined, allied forces of all Autobots and Decepticons.

Oh, and Grimlock's been a Mustang and a tank in addition to a T-rex.

Chaddymac
10-19-2011, 05:53 PM
The cartoon gave Unicron an origin as well - said he was built by some monkey. Oh, G1.

#calloftheprimitives

Tycho
10-19-2011, 06:16 PM
El Chuxter, that's actually a pretty cool mythology about Unicron and Primus (Cybertron, I guess).

I'm not sure how the All Spark will fit into that, but Michael Bay will just hire some model with T's and A to make us forget worrying about the rest of it. So it's all good.

So were there 13 Primes or 7? or did 7 try and stop The Fallen, leaving (and counting The Fallen as a Prime), 5 remaining Primes, to include Sentinel and Optimus (the last being the one that Jetfire had heard of).

Or do the Cybertronians not know the identities of all the last Primes, thus there could be 3 more out there: Rodimus, Nemesis, and one more that Michael Bay could create? [This would be Boobilicious Prime - who transforms from X-Rated Theater to Pretender Robot and back - thus showing Michael Bay's talent for understanding the franchise enough to recreate it in his own image.

But no seriously - then there could be 3 remaining Primes - Rodimus, Nemesis, and ???

El Chuxter
10-19-2011, 06:31 PM
The original Thirteen weren't all Primes. Only the Matrix-holder is a Prime. They've also been retconned to be mulitversal singularities, which is every bit as confusing as you'd think.

The original Matrix-holder was called Prima in most sources, though I think he's also been called Prime Nova (who was a later Prime in the Marvel comic book). Others included the bartender Maccadam, an evil Transformer called Liege Maximo (who has no relation to the Decepticons, IIRC), Megatronus (AKA The Fallen, who worshipped Unicron and inspired the Decepticons eons later), Alpha Trion (who may or may not have been called A3 at some point), Vector Prime (yeah, I know that I said there's only one Prime at a time, but it gets really confusing with all the retconning, so just bear with me.

Looking at the Wikia page for The Thirteen, it looks like a lot have been retconned out (including Maccadam, which sucks, since the idea of a multiversal bar free from the war was a cool one). There used to be several RiD and Energon characters in there. And they're all Primes now, mostly new ones. :confused:

Yeah, their retconning all over the place is confusing as hell.

Chaddymac
10-19-2011, 06:48 PM
At Botcon they talked about how the original 13 were envisioned to be representatives of (if not the originals of) each race (including combiners, females, multi-changers, etc). When I heard that, I finally got on board with the idea.

El Chuxter
10-19-2011, 07:17 PM
That would make it exceptionally tough to retcon the whole "singularity" deal into Marvel (where combiners were new in 1985, Earth time), Dreamwave (where Shockwave invented Triple Changers), and especially IDW (where Jhiaxxus's experiments led to both female Transformers and combiners).

Chaddymac
10-19-2011, 07:25 PM
That would make it exceptionally tough to retcon the whole "singularity" deal into Marvel (where combiners were new in 1985, Earth time), Dreamwave (where Shockwave invented Triple Changers), and especially IDW (where Jhiaxxus's experiments led to both female Transformers and combiners).

That's right! Yep!

El Chuxter
10-27-2011, 02:49 PM
Some potentially bad news, depending upon how accurate it is:

After months of asking about the Rodimus Prime, I finally came across a TRU employee today who knew what I was talking about. Unfortunately, though, he said they'd gotten one case (he didn't remember the number of Rodimii; I'm assuming two or four based on the size, though I've obviously not seen the case) months ago, and it didn't even make it onto the shelf before someone bought all of them. As far as he knows, each store was allotted a case (possibly to make up for Grimlock taking longer to sell?) and they won't be getting any more.

I really hate not being able to see a figure in person before dropping $70 on it, and loathe that I won't be able to use one of the crap-ton of %-off coupons I get for in-store purchases, but I guess that's the way it's gotta be. :(

Potentially better news: a friend of mine told me he saw a lot of new carded Transformers at $6.99 at Ross (meaning, most likely, Deluxe, especially given who he saw). He recognized Bumblebee, Jazz, an Optimus who looked like the G1 character but transforming into the movie truck (Laser Prime, I assume), and, most importantly, "that Eric Idle motorcycle guy from the old movie." Since they'll be expanding their toy sections for Christmas in the next few weeks, this sounds rather promising.

Chaddymac
10-27-2011, 03:02 PM
That sucks. If it makes you feel any better, I never found Grimlock at retail.

Tycho
10-28-2011, 04:47 AM
I won Titanium Ultra Magnus off eBay and I love him!

Chaddymac
10-28-2011, 01:41 PM
I won Titanium Ultra Magnus off eBay and I love him! Do you have him in hand yet? Only curious because I know how excited you were about getting him and I'd love to know he lived up to your expectations.

Tycho
10-28-2011, 05:16 PM
Do you have him in hand yet? Only curious because I know how excited you were about getting him and I'd love to know he lived up to your expectations.

Yes!

And he does live up to my expectations. I actually transform him and am even tempted to buy another one :rolleyes:

I will use him in robot mode with

Cyberverse Hot Rod, - robot probably
Deluxe Warpath, - as tank
Voyager Skyhammer, - as chopper (Springer substitute)

Deluxe Cyclonus,
Deluxe Scourge,
Deluxe Space Case.

Hasbro ought to dust off this mold and use their design software to "blow this mold up" to Leader Class!

I was explaining to JT - I like TRANSFORMERS not Optimus repaints that you have to add armor parts to like Legos.

Titanium Ultra Magnus does not require add-on parts (besides weapons). He's awesome.

I don't think I ever saw him in the store back in 2008 or whenever he was released. I'm sure he was popular. Moreso than other Titaniums.

This Magnus I'd describe as equivalent to a DOTM sized Voyager figure.

Still it'd be nice to have LC / MP of Magnus (single piece like the Titanium), Springer (who triple-changes), Galvatron, Cyclonus, Scourge.

They make Rodimus MP.

Kup and Blurr are perfect for Deluxe. You could add Arcee.

Wreck-Gar needs a Cyberverse figure and he'd be the perfect size.

Actually, if they did all of the Autobot cars in Cyberverse style, they'd go great with Titanium Magnus and the Deluxe G-1.5 Decepitcons.

MP Grimlock would be on scale with this Cyberverse collection, as would the Legends Devastator set!

If all this was done, I might go crazy and spend a fortune to pick up the MP Grimlock whom I'd passed on many times.

Might.

JediTricks
11-03-2011, 07:57 PM
Thanks to Chux, I now have Grappel, who can rappel with his G's. ;) I didn't really like Inferno, the basis for the figure, but Grappel gets it right with only a few small changes, like the forearms and hands and head.


I picked up Cyberverse Cmdr - Guzzle and it's kinda blah, not bad but not as exciting as any other Cyberverse Commander so far.

Also Human Alliance Basic Reverb - an odd figure, but not bad, just very odd vehicle and loose hips and not really sure what the weapon mode is.



Some potentially bad news, depending upon how accurate it is:

After months of asking about the Rodimus Prime, I finally came across a TRU employee today who knew what I was talking about. Unfortunately, though, he said they'd gotten one case (he didn't remember the number of Rodimii; I'm assuming two or four based on the size, though I've obviously not seen the case) months ago, and it didn't even make it onto the shelf before someone bought all of them. As far as he knows, each store was allotted a case (possibly to make up for Grimlock taking longer to sell?) and they won't be getting any more.

I really hate not being able to see a figure in person before dropping $70 on it, and loathe that I won't be able to use one of the crap-ton of %-off coupons I get for in-store purchases, but I guess that's the way it's gotta be. :(That sucks, sorry to hear it.

If you need to see it in person, I suppose next time you're in the LA area you could drop by here and check it out. And I'll keep an eye out and pick it up for you if I see it, send it with a gift receipt if you decide not to keep it.

El Chuxter
11-03-2011, 09:53 PM
I already arranged for one to be ordered as my Christmas present. ;) Thanks, though.

(And when I said I wanted to see it in person, I meant more that, for that price, I'd rather pick the one with the best paint application out of several. Ain't gonna happen that way. Oh well.)

JediTricks
11-04-2011, 03:16 PM
I already arranged for one to be ordered as my Christmas present. ;) Thanks, though.

(And when I said I wanted to see it in person, I meant more that, for that price, I'd rather pick the one with the best paint application out of several. Ain't gonna happen that way. Oh well.)Nicely done.

Oh, I see. Yeah, you don't get a choice - you might get stress marks on the waist armor joints, you might not, it's one of the most annoying things about rare TFs with such a dodgy QC department on Hasbro's line.

Tycho
11-04-2011, 05:50 PM
I got Blurr (my 2nd one) off eBay and he arrived today.

Very nice figure! I love how his guns store in holsters in what were his car doors!

I also opened Kup finally and I transformed him. He looks better than Blurr, but he's actually not the nicer of the two figures.

I do mean to display these 2 in robot mode with MP Rodimus, but I've settled on placing the two deluxe car characters on pedastools in the display somehow (or fake terrain parts) to increase their height a little next to Rodimus - who should be taller as he's not Hot Rod in this scene.

To complete it, I am holding out for MP or LC Galvatron and Cyclonus - possibly a Scourge figure. I didn't think about this the other day when I saw another Deluxe (satellite) Soundwave, from ROTF, but I think I could use him in the scene, too - maybe.

I only own one Satelite Soundwave and plan on buying 2 of each for HA, DL, and Cy from the Mercedes version in DOTM.

Another Satelite figure could be cool - this one to display in robot mode.

El Chuxter
11-19-2011, 04:45 AM
Rodimus arrived about a week ago. Despite the promise of getting him here within three days, it took over a week. Eh, shipping was free, so who can complain?

The box was tossed into a shipping box (with a toy for Baby Chux that we'd added on to get the free shipping) without padding. So it was dinged up a bit. The window was also creased pretty badly, and there were multiple stickers--some of them, no joke, Post-It Notes with some sort of internal message on them--affixed to the front. That sort of unprofessionalism was a bit of a shocker from a major store, even one with as spotty a shipping history as TRU.

I got an invitation for a survey, and made sure to tell them that, when they're selling $70 exclusives geared toward grownups that they apparently didn't ship to their stores in sufficient numbers, 99% of their customers would have returned that mofo immediately. Mrs Chux theorized they were shipping any damaged stock out first, knowing there was a strong chance of getting returns they'd have to replace with the undamaged ones, just to get the damaged ones into the hands of some people who wouldn't mind, but with the potentially massive shipping costs they'd have to eat, that doesn't make sense to me.

figrin bran
11-20-2011, 08:07 PM
I picked up my first TF's in a few months...Cyberverse Guzzle and Deluxe Darksteel.

Post it notes??? Unbelievable!

Tycho
11-22-2011, 04:11 AM
I haven't been able to find Guzzle. :(

JediTricks
11-22-2011, 03:25 PM
It's so weird how TRU has this duality towards collectors - they try to cater to them all year round, yet they miss the mark in product selection and in stocking so badly most of the time. Then they pull that sort of "ruin the collectible in shipping" crap after jacking up prices to snare collectors, as well as insisting to the manufacturer that they get quality collector-friendly packaging. You see it in the way their employees deal with collectors on the floor too. The whole thing is a confusing mess.


How is Darksteel? I saw him at Burbank Target when I got Air Raid the Strange, but the colors put me off, and I'm not a huge fan of the mold since I bought Sideswipe. But I got the feeling then and there that I might be a little unfair, and ultimately the only thing that kept me from buying anyway is the weak selection of repurposed accessories.


Guzzle has been hard to find, as well as Legion-size Flak. Both aren't really worth the trouble, they're "ok" but not worth the money.

Tycho
11-23-2011, 11:33 AM
I find Flak all the time.

I just got Guzzle and saw 2, bought 1, at Wal-Mart last night.

I've opened Flak but haven't gotten to Guzzle. Give me a few minutes as I plan to look at him this morning.

In any event, I wanted a Decepticon tank, so I won't be using him in robot mode. Hence, I only bought 1.

Cyberverse I'd like made:

Movie 1:

Megatron as Commander Jet
Starscream as Commander Jet
Barricade in black (include Frenzy mini boombox as prop)
Bonecrusher as Commander
Brawl (just repaint Guzzle)

Jazz Cyberverse Legion

Movie 2:

Megatron as Commander Tank


I think that's all they need to do. The Legends stuff from ROTF could be re-released as Cyberverse to get Devastator, etc.

Maybe Sideswipe needs a hardtop and Sideways a Legion figure?

JediTricks
11-23-2011, 02:37 PM
I find Flak all the time.Literally the first time I saw Flak was last week, the figure has been out for months, and I've been looking dutifully. It's quite rare up here.



I just got Guzzle and saw 2, bought 1, at Wal-Mart last night.

I've opened Flak but haven't gotten to Guzzle. Give me a few minutes as I plan to look at him this morning.

In any event, I wanted a Decepticon tank, so I won't be using him in robot mode. Hence, I only bought 1.I don't think Guzzle looks much like an Autobot in robot mode, aside from the faction logo of course.

I think Hasbro has run-aground with Cyberverse Commander line, the new guy from the SW design team convinced them to take a chance on the concept of 4" Transformers collectible like SW, but Hasbro didn't plan out even half a year's worth of product, and now it's languishing as it waits for Prime to pick it back up next year.

Tycho
11-27-2011, 11:11 AM
I think with the economy being the way it is, the Cyberverse line, as well as even the small SW Transformers (though I don't know anyone who buys them myself) is a smart way to go.

The action-figure play pattern is well established, and reducing the price point for Transformers for more kids to get into it was a good move.

$6-9 Transformers that actually do something is a much better value than for what you get from Star Wars figures, wouldn't you agree?

El Chuxter
11-27-2011, 11:23 PM
Hey, the Junkion mold includes two posts in the robot mode's butt that snap into two slots in the seat of the motorcycle! Also pegs and holds in the sides of the bike and legs of the robot that don't quite line up.

Junkheap does have a new head after all. It's too bad, really--I doubt anyone will buy him except collectors, and every collector will display Wreck-Gar sitting on him, so no one will ever notice the head.

Chaddymac
11-29-2011, 10:03 AM
Hey, the Junkion mold includes two posts in the robot mode's butt that snap into two slots in the seat of the motorcycle! Also pegs and holds in the sides of the bike and legs of the robot that don't quite line up.

Junkheap does have a new head after all. It's too bad, really--I doubt anyone will buy him except collectors, and every collector will display Wreck-Gar sitting on him, so no one will ever notice the head.
If toys had feelings, that would be incredibly sad. But still true, nonetheless.

JediTricks
11-29-2011, 08:26 PM
I think with the economy being the way it is, the Cyberverse line, as well as even the small SW Transformers (though I don't know anyone who buys them myself) is a smart way to go.

The action-figure play pattern is well established, and reducing the price point for Transformers for more kids to get into it was a good move.

$6-9 Transformers that actually do something is a much better value than for what you get from Star Wars figures, wouldn't you agree?
It's not a reduced pricepoint, it's an increased one.

The little "Legion" figures are now $5 and climbing, they have virtually no value and damage the brand in the eyes of casual consumers because of a lack of quality and play potential. Legion figures are about $2 overpriced based on previously-released products. They are barely better than free giveaways like those found in Happy Meal toys.

The "Commander" figures are $8 and climbing, their value in the market is essentially where the "basic" line was before, except they are 3/4 the size and seem to only fit a bill of the non-playing consumer. They are within $2 of the Deluxe line which is SIGNIFICANTLY bigger and a better value. The "Commander" figures are perhaps on-par with other figures of the size such as Star Wars and Marvel, but aren't really up to those other lines' qualities yet. Look at the articulation on Ironhide, that figure can barely move, and isn't in scale with any other figures around him except maybe Optimus.

If you're a casual consumer and you see a crummy, tiny $5 Ratchet; a middling, interesting but flawed, fairly small $8 Ratchet; and a deluxe-sized, detailed, articulated $10 Ratchet, there's no question which figure is going to be the draw. For Cyberverse, neither Legion nor Commander can live up to the Transformers brand properly, and they don't offer the quality or interplayability of Star Wars figures.

The problem is that Transformers is not a concept that lends itself well to these smaller sizes, you can see they shoehorned a lot into designing the first batches of Commanders and exhausted that design library early on, later figures just aren't living up so far.


As for those little SWTFs, I bought one at $4.03 from Target, they claimed damaged item resulting in half-price, but I couldn't see why. Anyway, at that price it was a horrible rip-off, these things are at best poor Happy Meal toys. They're lazy, cheap trash.



Hey, the Junkion mold includes two posts in the robot mode's butt that snap into two slots in the seat of the motorcycle! Also pegs and holds in the sides of the bike and legs of the robot that don't quite line up.

Junkheap does have a new head after all. It's too bad, really--I doubt anyone will buy him except collectors, and every collector will display Wreck-Gar sitting on him, so no one will ever notice the head.Yeah, Wreck-Gar has those posts to connect up, that was a known feature. Had Wreck-Gar been easier to get, I'm sure there would have been a lot more of him riding another of him rather than the Junkheap figure, or even the Japanese Scrapheap figure with its different head. But, since WG was hard to get, I think Junkheap will end up being bought by collectors just to display as WG when they couldn't get him.

Chaddymac
11-29-2011, 08:31 PM
Yeah, Wreck-Gar has those posts to connect up, that was a known feature. Had Wreck-Gar been easier to get, I'm sure there would have been a lot more of him riding another of him rather than the Junkheap figure, or even the Japanese Scrapheap figure with its different head. But, since WG was hard to get, I think Junkheap will end up being bought by collectors just to display as WG when they couldn't get him.
Assuming he doesn't end up being even harder to find...

JediTricks
11-29-2011, 08:38 PM
Could be true at that. It's Junkheap and Black Shadow, they are rehashes of existing products, poorly-demanded by the consumers, in a line that Hasbro barely supports and the retailers don't seem to want to keep around much.

El Chuxter
11-29-2011, 08:43 PM
As cool as Black/Sky Shadow looks, he's a complete unknown. Most adults buying these, I'm assuming, are like me and not the hardcore fanboys who know every episode of every Japanese G1 continuation by heart. Reading about him on the TF Wikia, he sounds kinda, well, stupid. I just dig having another cool Decepticon who isn't technically American but G1 looks the part enough to hang with Acid Storm and Lugnut. And he's different enough from Thunderwing, too, which is always a concern with the repaints characters.

They need to make a Scrounge figure to go with Lord Straxxus Darkmount. Probably not transforming into a wheel, of course. "Special arm" would be a bonus.

figrin bran
11-30-2011, 11:02 PM
It's so weird how TRU has this duality towards collectors - they try to cater to them all year round, yet they miss the mark in product selection and in stocking so badly most of the time. Then they pull that sort of "ruin the collectible in shipping" crap after jacking up prices to snare collectors, as well as insisting to the manufacturer that they get quality collector-friendly packaging. You see it in the way their employees deal with collectors on the floor too. The whole thing is a confusing mess.


How is Darksteel? I saw him at Burbank Target when I got Air Raid the Strange, but the colors put me off, and I'm not a huge fan of the mold since I bought Sideswipe. But I got the feeling then and there that I might be a little unfair, and ultimately the only thing that kept me from buying anyway is the weak selection of repurposed accessories.


Guzzle has been hard to find, as well as Legion-size Flak. Both aren't really worth the trouble, they're "ok" but not worth the money.

JT, as you well know, that Sideswipe mold is really lackluster. The real draw for me was the Quickstrike homage colors. It's just okay and I probably should have bought Space Case instead. And those mechtech accessories look silly in alt mode and too unwieldy in bot mode. Though I guess that could be said for just about all the mechtech weapons.

JediTricks
12-01-2011, 04:07 PM
I don't understand why they used black as the base color for Darksteel if it's meant to be Quickstrike. Quickstrike has NO black on him anywhere. I have him, he's a crazy figure, and he's fairly light in color, the brown on the figure doesn't do anything like this.

Not surprised by the weapons being wonky. I think this whole DOTM line has been a mistake.

Tycho
12-03-2011, 06:11 AM
I'm going to quick-poll my fellow Transformers fans on SSG about some products I personally want. Just quote me and add your answers if you'd buy:

Human Alliance Rampage (Constructicon Bulldozer with Sam Witwicky Prisoner and Legends Ravage Repack);Human Alliance Sideways with Alice (Isabel Lucas) and 'bot mode Decepticon Alice figures; white Chicago-style Human Alliance Barricade vs Lennox; Human Alliance Topspin with NASCAR Driver; Human Alliance Que (Wheeljack) with Epps figure; Human Alliance Dino (Mirage?) with Carly figure; Human Alliance HighTower (Constructicon crane) with Leo figure; Human Alliance Scrapper with Repack of Deluxe Scorponok figure; Leader Class Bonecrusher; Leader Class Blackout / Grindor; Leader Class Ratchet; Leader Class Fallen; Leader Class Soundwave (Mercedes); Leader Class Megatron (tanker truck); Leader Class Shockwave; Ultimate Shockwave with tunneling snake; Voyager Class Crankcase; Voyager Class Jetfire; Voyager Class OverLoad (Constructicon truck); Delux Class Scrapper; Deluxe Class High Tower; Deluxe Class Dino (Mirage / Ferrari); Cyberverse Commnader Megatron (jet); Cyberverse Commander Megatron (tank), Cyberverse Commander Fallen; Cyberverse Commander Starscream; Cyberverse Commander Brawl; Cyberverse Commander Bonecrusher; Cyberverse Commander Cyberverse Commander Jetfire; Cyberverse Jazz;Cyberverse Jolt; Cyberverse Dino; Cyberverse Que; Cyberverse Wheelie; Cyberverse Barricade (black); Titanium Ultra Magnus Re-Release; Cyberverse Commander Rodimus Prime; Cyberverse Commander Springer; Cyberverse Kup; Cyberverse Blurr; Cyberverse Arcee; Cyberverse Wreck-Gar; Cyberverse Hot Rod re-do; Cyberverse Kickback; Cyberverse Shrapnell; Cyberverse Bombshell; Leader Class Galvatron; Voyager Class Galvatron; Leader Class Cyclonus; Voyager Class Cyclonus; Leader Class Scourge; Voyager Class Scourge; Leader Class Ultra-Magnus (by the Tintanium one-piece mold); Leader Class Springer; Deluxe Arcee (pink car); Masterpiece Grimlock (re-release); Cyberverse Sharkticon; Deluxe Sharkticn; Voyager Class Sharkticon; Masterpiece Swoop; Masterpiece Sludge; Masterpiece Snarl; Masterpiece Slag



BTW - any Leaderclass figure could also be a Masterpiece.

Thanks for responding to my list. Yes or no will do, but you may elabrate if you'd like

Darth Metalmute
12-03-2011, 02:51 PM
I'm going to quick-poll my fellow Transformers fans on SSG about some products I personally want. Just quote me and add your answers if you'd buy:

Human Alliance Rampage (Constructicon Bulldozer with Sam Witwicky Prisoner and Legends Ravage Repack);
Human Alliance Sideways with Alice (Isabel Lucas) and 'bot mode Decepticon Alice figures;
white Chicago-style Human Alliance Barricade vs Lennox;
Human Alliance Topspin with NASCAR Driver;
Human Alliance Que (Wheeljack) with Epps figure;
Human Alliance Dino (Mirage?) with Carly figure;
Human Alliance HighTower (Constructicon crane) with Leo figure;
Human Alliance Scrapper with Repack of Deluxe Scorponok figure;
Leader Class Bonecrusher;
Leader Class Blackout / Grindor;
Leader Class Ratchet;
Leader Class Fallen;
Leader Class Soundwave (Mercedes);
Leader Class Megatron (tanker truck);
Leader Class Shockwave;
Ultimate Shockwave with tunneling snake;
Voyager Class Crankcase;
Voyager Class Jetfire;
Voyager Class OverLoad (Constructicon truck);
Deluxe Class Scrapper;
Deluxe Class High Tower;
Deluxe Class Dino (Mirage / Ferrari);
Cyberverse Commnader Megatron (jet);
Cyberverse Commander Megatron (tank),
Cyberverse Commander Fallen;
Cyberverse Commander Starscream;
Cyberverse Commander Brawl;
Cyberverse Commander Bonecrusher;
Cyberverse Commander Jetfire;
Cyberverse Jazz;Cyberverse Jolt;
Cyberverse Dino; Cyberverse Que;
Cyberverse Wheelie;
Cyberverse Barricade (black);
Titanium Ultra Magnus Re-Release;
Cyberverse Commander Rodimus Prime;
Cyberverse Commander Springer;
Cyberverse Kup;
Cyberverse Blurr;
Cyberverse Arcee;
Cyberverse Wreck-Gar;
Cyberverse Hot Rod re-do;
Cyberverse Kickback;
Cyberverse Shrapnell;
Cyberverse Bombshell;
Leader Class Galvatron;
Voyager Class Galvatron;
Leader Class Cyclonus;
Voyager Class Cyclonus;
Leader Class Scourge;
Voyager Class Scourge;
Leader Class Ultra-Magnus (by the Tintanium one-piece mold);
Leader Class Springer;
Deluxe Arcee (pink car);
Masterpiece Grimlock (re-release);
Cyberverse Sharkticon;
Deluxe Sharkticn;
Voyager Class Sharkticon;
Masterpiece Swoop;
Masterpiece Sludge;
Masterpiece Snarl;
Masterpiece Slag



BTW - any Leaderclass figure could also be a Masterpiece.

Thanks for responding to my list. Yes or no will do, but you may elabrate if you'd like

I'll list the yes's:
Leader Class Blackout (I haven't bought any leader class figures yet, but I would buy this)
Voyager Class Jetfire (Been waiting/hoping for this one for a while)
Leader Class Soundwave (Mercedes); (I wouldn't want a Leader Class one, but have they made a voyager one? I would like a Voyager Soundwave from the WFC Game with all his minions)
Ultimate Shockwave with tunneling snake (As long as the Shockwave is not a repack of the Voyager version. I would like an upgraded one of that)
Leader Class Ultra-Magnus (This would be the second Leader Class I would buy, as long as it resembles the original Magnus)

As far as the Cyberverse lines goes, I would have to see the product before I purchase a figure. I like the line, but have only bought three figures so far.

As far as those that are not on your list, I'm all in favor of re-releasing Wrek-Gar and the continuation of the Classics line with modern spins.\
Also, it would be nice if they did a Leader Class version of all the Constructicons (Classic), that would be purchased separately, but buying all six would allow the lucky, rich owner to combine the figures into a Ultimate Devastator.

El Chuxter
12-03-2011, 09:35 PM
Good lord and butter, Tycho, that's quite a laundry list! lol

Would there be an easy way to indicate what continuity you're talking about with these guys? Classics-styled, movie-styled, maybe movie-styled updates of classic characters that could pass for Classics (like Bludgeon, Powerglide, or Seaspray)?

JediTricks
12-04-2011, 06:05 PM
Anybody else feel like Transformers as a brand completely face-planted this year? I've been trying to avoid saying it outright, but now that we're into December, I can't help it, that's how I feel.

Darth Metalmute
12-04-2011, 10:41 PM
Have they even released anything outside of repaints and Ultimate Prime since the movie release?

El Chuxter
12-04-2011, 11:23 PM
Wasn't Guzzle a new figure, released after the movie?

This may be off-topic, but Tycho's list had me thinking: we've gotten updates Cyclonus, Scourge, Galvatron, Hot Rod, Kup, Wreck-Gar, Junkheap, and Blurr from The Transformers: The Movie (as well as Wheelie, sort of... I think he existed for a brief moment). How cool would it be to round out the movie characters, perhaps as an exclusive set or wave? They could re-release a few choice figures who've been done before (Wheelie would be the most obvious, I'd think) as well as new figures who otherwise might never see release. Arcee could, honestly, be a retool of Kup with a few more streamlined parts and a new head. Springer should be easy; they could even scratch one of his alt-modes if they felt the need to. The Sharkticon and Allicon could share some parts, if they took a few liberties. But the one I'd most love to see is a non-transforming Quintesson.

JediTricks
12-05-2011, 03:40 PM
Have they even released anything outside of repaints and Ultimate Prime since the movie release?Not much, mostly a handful of Human Alliance Basics, Leader Class Ironhide, Masterpiece Rodimus Prime, a few Human Alliance. Very little overall though.

Non-repaints...
Cyberverse Legion: Flak, Soundwave
Cyberverse Commander: Hatchet, Guzzle
Cyberverse Action Set: Shockwave, Ratchet
Deluxe: WM-exclusive Optimus Prime
Human Alliance Basic: Whirl, Tailpipe, Dragstrip, Reverb
Voyager: Sentinel Prime
Human Alliance: Roadbuster, Leadfoot
Leader & Larger: Ironhide, Rodimus, Ultimate Craptimus Prime

other: Rescue Bots, Kre-o

Geez, what a horrible way to capitalize on the movie's momentum! I know TF Prime is hitting now, but I don't count that as it's really not making a strong impact in 2011.




This may be off-topic, but Tycho's list had me thinking: we've gotten updates Cyclonus, Scourge, Galvatron, Hot Rod, Kup, Wreck-Gar, Junkheap, and Blurr from The Transformers: The Movie (as well as Wheelie, sort of... I think he existed for a brief moment). How cool would it be to round out the movie characters, perhaps as an exclusive set or wave? They could re-release a few choice figures who've been done before (Wheelie would be the most obvious, I'd think) as well as new figures who otherwise might never see release. Arcee could, honestly, be a retool of Kup with a few more streamlined parts and a new head. Springer should be easy; they could even scratch one of his alt-modes if they felt the need to. The Sharkticon and Allicon could share some parts, if they took a few liberties. But the one I'd most love to see is a non-transforming Quintesson.Wheelie was released as a Legends figure in a VERY hard to find wave.

I don't see how Arcee could work on the Kup mold, but they need to get an Arcee figure done STAT.

El Chuxter
12-05-2011, 09:34 PM
That's why I said Wheelie existed for a brief moment. I actually saw it and (stupidly) passed, so I know it's real.

I don't think Arcee could be a repaint of Kup, but, IIRC, she has a similar transformation (as far as we can tell without there ever being a figure of her), so they could borrow some Kup pieces.

Tycho
12-05-2011, 10:13 PM
Chuxter, I'm a fan of the Michael Bay movie universe. So unless otherwise indicated, like my 1986 movie choices, I mean to recommend those realistic figures.

As to the Leader Class Soundwave i put "Mercedes" in parathensis to indicate this would be the car version from DOTM designed so as to have something to fight BumbleBee LC - which almost didn't need to be made IMO. (But I bought it to at least fight Deluxe Laserbeak and Scout Insecticon in my always present desire to have my bots displayed in scale with one another).

Tycho
12-18-2011, 10:41 AM
Transformers on retail store racks are full of Bumblebees.

Kids will not be playing Autobots vs. Decepticons this Christmas, but "Camaro Dealership" instead.

El Chuxter
12-18-2011, 11:18 AM
Seriously, they need to pick up some Arctic Destros to sell all those Camaros!

El Chuxter
12-18-2011, 08:20 PM
Not sure if this was a line-wide sale, since I don't recall seeing it in the circular, but Target had the Deluxe Classics for $6.99. I think I'm going to see if I can find another Sky Shadow and Junkheap to get my money back at WM. That's a huge discount.

Tycho
12-18-2011, 09:56 PM
Soundwave and Que have released in Japan (Deluxe eds).

Maybe they'll finally hit here?

Has anyone got the Human Alliance Soundwave yet? I want that too.

Also if you come across the Human Alliance Barricade (cop car) - I'd love to get 2 more of them. There's an utter lack of Decepticons in that line (and ROTF Rampage and Sideways would work perfectly with that scale).

Chaddymac
12-19-2011, 10:03 AM
Not sure if this was a line-wide sale, since I don't recall seeing it in the circular, but Target had the Deluxe Classics for $6.99. I think I'm going to see if I can find another Sky Shadow and Junkheap to get my money back at WM. That's a huge discount.

If you find a second set, I will buy the first set off of you. No need to price adjust...

figrin bran
12-19-2011, 11:18 PM
Not sure if this was a line-wide sale, since I don't recall seeing it in the circular, but Target had the Deluxe Classics for $6.99. I think I'm going to see if I can find another Sky Shadow and Junkheap to get my money back at WM. That's a huge discount.

I saw the same price at my local Targets though I didn't see Sky Shadow and Junkheap. Wayyyyy too many Kup and Wheeljacks.

I got my first TF Prime tf, Starscream and he is outstanding in bot mode, so-so in alt mode though excessive undercarriage kibble is par for the course for any TF planes.

In terms of poseability, TF Prime Screamer is right up there with TF Animated Blurr! Can't wait to find Arcee.

Maradona
12-20-2011, 11:26 AM
I picked up a Junkheap at Target this morning and left another on the shelf, along with two Sky Shadows. PM for location in Los Angeles.

JediTricks
12-20-2011, 03:19 PM
That's why I said Wheelie existed for a brief moment. I actually saw it and (stupidly) passed, so I know it's real.Stupid Legends. It's so easy to pass them up, they're not that great, and yet they seem to be the only avenue for stuff like Wheelie and Cosmos, even gun Megatron.

Tycho
12-22-2011, 02:41 AM
Legends might one day give me a chance to re-collect a G1 assembly.

I don't do it now for the basic reason of money and especially space.

I like to write lists, but here's where you guys can help me to pick out the best of each - and I like them reasonably in scale to one another so the Classic / Generation Decepticon jets wouldn't do (too small) if you're going to use anything larger than Cyberverse (and I want to use Deluxe) for Autobot Cars:

Megatron - definitely the Masterpiece
Starscream - the Masterpiece again
Soundwave (G1 tape deck) - probably the Hasbro anniversary re-issue?
Ravage (the one that comes with Genertions or Classics(???) Hound
Laserbeak?
Rumble? Perhaps that tank figure is a better Rumble in robot mode?
Thundercracker - MP
Skywarp - MP
Shockwave???
Devastator / Constructicons - that 2nd party manufacturer that's making "Goliath" or something sounding like that
Blitzwing - the Classics
Astrotrain - the classics

The G1.5 Decepticons don't exist as large enough figures. The Deluxe sized ones will not do.

Optimus Prime - MP
Jazz - Generations / Classics - not sure which is which
Wheeljack - Gen.
BumbleBee??? (needs to be the Volkswagon in a Deluxe size - but maybe there's a 2nd party)
SideSwipe - Cl
Sunstreaker - Cl
Ironhide - ??? Or is the red version of the DOTM Voyager a good idea here?
Ratchet - the rescue Ratchet paint job of the Voyager figure from DOTM / ROTF I guess. 2nd party fig?
Mirage - Cl
Hound - Cl / Gen
Red Alert Gen
Powerglide - Gen Voyager (but should be a Leader Class size)
Warpath - ??? (needs to be at least a Voyager size)
Grimlock - MP - but should be Ultimate Size (as should any other Dinobots)

Hey - they should make a MP Jetfire! (perhaps in the Old School style?)

JediTricks
12-27-2011, 01:32 PM
Transforming Gingerbread House! http://foodbeast.com/content/2011/12/26/gingerbreadtron-if-your-gingerbread-house-transforms-youre-too-cool-for-us/

JediTricks
02-11-2012, 02:27 PM
Apparently, the last waves of the DOTM line will be Asia-only. Way to fail, Hasbro.

JediTricks
02-11-2012, 03:22 PM
Fall of Cybertron figures:
http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/toy-fair-38/transformers-generations-fall-of-cybertron-toys-first-pictures-174364/

Shockwave looks SO DAMNED GOOD! The others are degrees of "eh, fine I guess": Prime is tubby but sharp, Jazz feels like the same car bots we get a dozen times a year, and Bruticus looks like a work in progress still. But Shockwave, wow!

El Chuxter
02-11-2012, 04:49 PM
Shockwave does look nice. I guess both my Decepticon "Waves" in Classics will have to be Cybertronian forms. :D

No Grimlock? Really? After him being the entire focus of the first teaser, and making fandom go Apeface?

JediTricks
02-11-2012, 05:06 PM
My guess is they're saving a Grimlock reveal for SDCC. They don't have a larger SKU for Generations, so I'd bet they're planning a larger Grimlock as a store exclusive, I'll guess Target since they've had a stronger relationship with Target over TF the last few years.

Tycho
02-13-2012, 07:58 AM
Apparently, the last waves of the DOTM line will be Asia-only. Way to fail, Hasbro.

Did you see a link that covers this story.

As you know, I really want the following previously announced DOTM toys:

Deluxe Soundwave
Deluxe Que (Michael Bay's substitute for Wheeljack)

Human Alliance Soundwave with Elliot Gould action figure and Lazerbeak in scale.

I also saw as very possible:

Deluxe Dino (red Ferrari)
Deluxe Barricade (white Chicago PD repaint)

Voyager "Dread" (Crankcase or another one that hasn't been offered)

Human Alliance Barricade (white Chicago PD repaint)
Human Alliance Top Spin (to complete the Wreckers Team)

Human "Nemesis" Sideways from ROTF with 2 "Alice" figures (Isabel Lucas, and robot mode)
Human "Nemesis" Rampage (bulldozer) with Ron Witwicky Prisoner and / or Ravage Legends figure re-pack

CyberForce Commander Class DOTM Starscream


Other than Masterpiece or other Michael Bay Transformers products, I don't intend to continue to collect Transformers because I don't have the room, nor the display furniture I even do have the room for right now, and besides toy collecting, I like to travel (often to out-of-state baseball games), go to a lot of rock concerts and select theater shows, and I want to go to the Transformers ride in Universal Studios, the new Star Tours at Disneyland, rent speedboats, and a whole lot more that's made easier by not even getting into TF Prime, inspite of the fact I'll probably like it.

But Peter Cullen does the voice work on that show, huh? Hmmmm. Peter is Optimus Prime as far as I'm concerned. That alone tempts me....

Tycho
02-14-2012, 10:11 PM
I started a thread in the Movies-Other section for the just-confirmed TRANSFORMERS 4 - for June 2014!!!

The Awesome Michael Bay will be back with Optimus Prime and Bumblebee.

Who else? Discuss in the Movie-Other thread (or here) if you'd like.

Michael Bay is so awesome!

JediTricks
02-15-2012, 09:33 PM
Did you see a link that covers this story.No, I'm making it up, nobody on the entire web covered that story. :rolleyes:



Here's my ample review for TF:Prime Wheeljack...

Transformers: Prime - Robots In Disguise - Deluxe Class - (Revealer) - Series 1 - Autobot - Wheeljack - Level 2 - Intermediate. WHAT THE HELL IS WITH THIS LINE?!? How many things can you say about a friggin' deluxe figure?!? The deluxes are known internally as "Revealers" as it shows on the TRU and Target pegs, and the rest of that stuff is actually on the packaging, it's like the brand manager is getting paid by the letter. Also of interest, the difficulty ratings are now "1, 2, 3" - no more 4, yet the instructions on ol' Wheeljack here are pretty hefty, so it's like what's the point of putting that on the packaging when you're not going to give the customer the advice you're promising them?

Anyway, Wheeljack was $15 at TRU, and is VERY small in package in vehicle mode, even with his swords showing in the tray. Packaging is more white and red, smart because those colors catch the eye very nicely unlike the darker blues of the DOTM line. The card is a simple die-cut shape, the most complex being a different take on the J-hook; the blister is shaped to match and has simple angled shapes embossed out the top and front - pretty standard fare for TF lately. The Autobot logo is fading out from white into red and is being attacked by lightning, it doesn't quite pop, but it also doesn't take away from the character portrait to its right, which is BLASTING YOU IN THE FACE BUYER LOOK AT ME NOW! The blister has a bunch of different text boxes yet keeps itself from fighting for attention; oddly, the Hasbro logo makes a more prominent space than usual. There's tech-spec numbers above a different character portrait to the side of the blister, I don't love the graphs they used, the angled ends look weird. The numbers for this WJ remind me that he's not a character I know, I haven't seen Prime episodes with him as I've not been watching the show after the first few episodes, but his numbers are far off from the classic Wheeljack numbers I'm more used to (and it's odd, I'm not at all a techspec guy, yet that stood out for me immediately in the store). Bottom houses the barcode and very small co-sells for his case-mates. The cardback art is a little sparse for my tastes, images of the figure in both modes along with the shadow-accenting Hasbro photoshops onto every figure's official photos, and here WJ's eyes are light-piped to an incredible degree - the real figure would need a spotlight to get that bright. There's a simple bio, but it doesn't have a box to stand out. Beneath the toy shots is an ad for the show with the main heroes to the right. The card front is alright for a line look, but I don't like the card back much, it's only good thing is showing the toy, and knowing Hasbro photography like I do, I know that'll be a detriment at some point.

For this figure, the card's character art presents a problem. It uses the series character design from a promo shot, but the shot is of WJ's forearm sporting a big-honkin' blaster as it is about to fire a blue blast - it's striking and takes up as much attention as the rest of the character art, but the toy has no such feature whatsoever! I wanted to emulate that gun either as an accessory or as an internal feature, and the figure just doesn't have it, it's odd since the forearm could easily have put something like that gun barrel on the forearm's pre-transformed rotation, yet didn't. The art also shows an Autobot faction logo on his chest, it's small but prominent, and the toy has space for it but no actual logo, which is a shame. I looked up a little info on the TF:P character and found out he sports a grenade on his left hip, sure enough that's showing in the promo art on the card as well, but again this is entirely omitted from the toy. The toy is a fine toy on its own, but it's emulating a character and these aren't huge touches, if your primary card art is showing it, your toy designs should be as well. I guess we're lucky they showed the mouthplate on instead of off, as most promo art showed, since the toy has the mouthplate.

Ok, so let's get down to the toy on its own.

Wheeljack comes in alt mode, it's a very compact little sports car, on its own it looks fine but it has a very small footprint for its deluxe pricepoint, slightly smaller than DOTM Sideswipe; but WJ's alt mode is a taller design thankfully. The car is a modernization of the Lancia Stratos that G1 Wheeljack was based on, though G1 WJ was based on the Stratos Turbo racing car, and Prime WJ is definitely closer to the Stratos Stradale. The Stratos is a VERY small car which is why it has such a big windshield in proportion to the rest, it's tiny in real life, so Wheeljack holds up well to that. This alt mode has bold fenders (oddly the tops of the fenders are separate pieces, suggesting they'll be swapped out on a later revisit), sharper angles, pronounced side mirrors, the classic rear-window louver panels (entirely closed), a small mid-engine-area spoiler, pronounced rear hips, and an even blunder rear end than the real car - in fact, if not for the tail light section of the fenders, the car would end at the wheels (the wheels are low-pro, big, with swept blades inside). The car has a low ground clearance but not stupidly so, and is solid with all 4 wheels free-rolling on the ground. The only thing I don't really like about the sculpt of the car is the open area at the rear end from the midline down - it's passable, but no axle showing means it's unacceptable IMO; the front end underside has an open slot at the ground on either side, but this is somewhat obscured by the forward slant of the upper portion of the front end - it bothers me, but isn't the same kind of deal-breaker because the middle of the car still has body. Oddly, while the headlights get a specific sculpt, the side mirrors get their own pop-out detailed aspects, there's sculpted panels on the air inlets behind the side windows, and even the gutters where the windshield wipers would take in rain swept from the glass, there's no sculpt for the doors, so the sides have a big expanse of less detail, although the car gets an overall shape that keeps it from being just a flat panel. The car is shot in bald white plastic, painted at the nose and roof with an angled version of the Air Alitalia red, green, and white styling found on G1 Wheeljack, along with some red angled shapes on the sides that don't really feel as important but are welcome to break up the low-sculpted area; a big dark blue translucent wrap-around angled windshield; dark gray louvers in place of the back window; silver for the wheels over black plastic for the tires; and the large tail-lights are painted red and yellow over very dark plastic (possibly translucent blue of the windshield). The white holds up well, consistent across different areas except the small white paint on the middle of the roof, but other than that hiccup it gets away with being a white plastic car better than most. The vehicle mode exterior features a 5mm hole on either rear fender just behind the middle of the wheels. The windshield is in 2 halves that meet in the middle, theat is the only real panel line that is an issue here IMO, the rest holds up nicely. The underside of the car features an obvious robot pelvis and upper legs, the rest shows no sign of being what it is, and there's some sculpted detail on the inside of the front end of the car. So, good homage to G1 Wheeljack but a slimmer, more updated design, and it looks good pretty much overall in paint and in sculpt, except for a gap in the back end.
Alt Mode: 9 / 10

Accessories, WJ's swords are all we get, let's talk about them separately for alt mode. The twin swords are dark gray hilts with silver-painted blades, no red hilts or black middles to the blades. The blade design is persian with it growing thicker at the middle then thinning back at the handle, it has small glyphs sculpted on either side of the blade just above the hilt. The hilts are 5mm squared-off pegs with a notch cut through the middle of the tang, hollow hilt head on either side, thinner angled pommel flag-type design (on the show is the hilt as it's one continuous single bar leading up to the blade), and off the side of the hilt head is a stubby 5mm peg. Overall, the swords are fine, though not entirely what you see in the show apparently. In vehicle mode, the swords can be pegged onto the rear fenders which looks not so bad, the swords follow the lines of the rear fenders until they get clear and then curve in towards the doors; other 5mm accessories of course can also be plugged into those fenders, with about as much success as they usually have. The swords are intended to be big tusks though and the cut-outs in the hilts correspond to tabs inside the front fenders where the bumper would otherwise be, the tusks look is intended but it doesn't do it for me, it's not terrible but it just doesn't blow my mind either. The swords can also be entirely hidden by tabbing flat into the underside, they add a few millimeters to the underside yet still clear the ground, and still do not show in normal vehicle mode, even with one of my swords very slightly bent.

Transformation in the instructions has 17 steps, although the last one is a 5-parter. The first step to bot mode is the roughest one, it's not immediately clear what parts come out with the doors and why they aren't initially moving even when you're doing it right. From there though it's a fun and unique transformation, although some of the steps are a bit killjoy the way the instructions present them, but once you get the flow it's all quite nifty. The instructions do a poor job showing the shoulders tabbing into the chest, they move the shoulder parts around too much so it's easy to get that element lost thanks to Hasbro. The way the front fenders slide up and then rotate 90 degrees is probably my favorite part, it's just Transformers fun. Going from bot to alt mode is pretty much the same, not quite as fun since it's more obvious where things have to be, but that's a pretty common issue with TFs in general; there is the question of how the hands are supposed to be angled, they put tabs and a cut-out to guide them but it was easy to miss on my first pass. That said, it's not a "ooh brilliant perfect" transformation just because it's a small deluxe figure, so it's good, it's got new stuff, but it's not the end-all-be-all either.
Transformation: 7 / 10

Wheeljack is definitely related to his namesake, no fan could miss that with the head sculpt, colors, and roof chest - they all scream "Wheeljack". But the head also makes clear that this is part of a different universe, it's angled and angry and quite different in proportions, and the rest of the figure follows that. I have to confess that I don't terribly care for the Prime aesthetic, there have been a few designs that have caught my attention at the preview slideshows, but the overall Prime school of design leaves me cold... now, that out of the way, back to the figure. Wheeljack stands about as tall as the recent Generations Wheeljack who is a big of a short guy, but where that figure has tons of bulk, this TF:P figure is much more svelte and has almost no kibble at all. Wheeljack's sculpt is not terribly detailed, he has a few shapes at his shoulders and waist which are new, a little at his collar, and his chest successfully shrinks down the concept of his windshield, but largely he's enjoying details from his vehicle mode - it's not bad at all except for the arms which leave me cold in detail as well as overall shape. His head is an effective sculpt but simple rather than detailed, the lines are swept in more of an anime style, and thankfully as I mentioned he's got that mouthplate sculpted in rather than the weird little mouth some promo art shows; his eyes are light-piped blue, it doesn't pipe all that well without a flashlight, but they did sculpt the inner iris-circle. The arms are past his knees and bigger at the forearms than the upper arms, and they also sport significant windshield kibble inside at the midpoint, it's definitely not attractive left straight like that; but luckily they look much better bent all the way at the elbow, brought up to a more reasonable height. If one were a fan of the show design, they'd be confused by these arms, they don't deliver at all what the show art does, there's a pretense at the forearms but it's quite half-assed, and then there's door kibble on the outside and windshield kibble, and the shoulders stick out -- but I'm not terribly bothered since I'm not heavily invested in that character, so it's only the length and window kibble for me. The hands are big open hands, not gigantic but the big like someone who works with his hands for a living, they're open-C shaped with the thumb doing a lot of the work, and they have a natural sculpt to that pose despite being a clean 5mm circular opening. The figure's wings end up as an odd thing, they are 45-degree splits from the roof middle halves, they're not really what the doctor ordered and yet they're working for me as suggestive of the concept while unique. The legs look good, the lower legs mix the concept of the front end as legs with the boots concept we've seen more recently, and since he gets separate feet from the front end, it pays off overall. The deco adds a more gray and black to the mix which mixes it up nicely, but oddly there's no Autobot logo on this figure anywhere, especially not the little white spot at the middle of his chest that the character art consistently shows.

Articulation is pretty good for a smaller deluxe figure, there's a ball-jointed neck that can turn and look up quite a ways; restricted ball-jointed shoulders on hinges that can shrug up a few degrees, plus barrel receivers in the shoulders that let the shoulders rotate on the vertical axis; a hinge at the biceps; a hinge at the elbows; restricted ball-jointed wrists that lead into vertical axis-hinged hands; restricted ball-jointed hips that allow side-kicking, attached to rotation joints at the top of the thighs; hinged knees; and ball-jointed feet where the joint is sideways out the outside, but it works and looks better than any previous attempt I can think of. The jointing allows for some expressive poses, and the feet are just the right size and jointing to keep it upright in action poses, although they might be too narrow for 1-footed poses (I have mine in one now, but it has enough wobble that it won't stay that way over a few hours without help). The elbows and knees don't have as much range of motion as I'd like, they're more like 75 degrees instead of 90 or even 110 that I'd prefer, but his elements would block the lower legs anyway; the upper arms have the bicep hinges to somewhat compensate for their range issues. I would have liked to have seen a bicep rotation joint instead of that oddball barrel receiver rotation joint they use, I find that lack of bicep rotation the single most noticed joint missing whenever I hit the wall in a pose with Wheeljack, the lack of waist joint doesn't factor anywhere near as close. The joints are all tight and solid; the figure's stability is pretty good overall. The shins do rotate out of position a little when handled, and posing the figure usually folds the knee points flat; the right "wing" seems to de-transform on its own quite a bit on mine, but it looks like a "your mileage will vary" situation.
Robot Mode: 8 / 10 (or 7/10 if you are a stickler about show-accuracy)

So, getting back to the accessories now for robot mode to complete that conversation... The swords fit in the hands quite well and hold, the figure clearly is designed to wield these twin curved swords, his arm articulation and even neck tilting up just open the figure to a myriad of sword poses. The swords are long, as apparently they were on the show, although clearly thicker to A) not break, and B) fit in the hands, but the long arms do work with the swords' length. The only thing about posing I could say is an issue is - and it's a small thing - that the door kibble on the arms extends out past the wrists and the sword hilts have those plastic pommel/facade hilt-ends and the sideways 5mm pegs which all get in the way during rotation from about 5 degrees to 60 degrees, but from there out the figure can hold the swords out to the side just fine as long as you remove them before rotating the hand into another position. The swords can be pegged into the shoulders thanks to the 5mm holes from the rear fenders ending up there, but even better, the swords fit into cut-aways behind his shoulders - it's not mentioned in the instructions, but just outside of the wings and inside the shoulders in the back is a pair of square cut-outs to stow the blades, roughly where they were stowed on the show, although the hilts stick way up here due to the nature of, you know, "reality". So the swords are cool, he looks good wielding them, they stow away, yay; but why the hell does a figure with a firepower of 8 and a GIANT gun-hand showing on the packaging have... no gun at all? I don't get that, he already doesn't get his shoulder launcher. I gave him DOTM Sideswipe's big gun, it looks a hell of a lot better in Wheeljack's bigger arms, plus it has that sword gimmick so it still plays well here - WJ is keeping that damned gun! (No accessory for you Sideswipe, sorry, maybe if you hadn't been gray instead of silver, ya loser.) The swords are cool, not entirely color-accurate, but decent enough; they're just not all this figure should have, there's the big gun situation, and there's the grenade on the hip.
Accessories: 7 / 10

Overall, I like this Wheeljack figure in both modes, I like the transformation, the deco is ok but could be better, it's a bit small for the price, and while decently-articulated, it could use more articulation and range of motion. There's a lot of personality here and a lot of style without being painfully stylized.
Overall Score: 8 / 10 - Pretty Good

Chaddymac
02-15-2012, 10:02 PM
Did you notice that there are shapes sculpted into the sword blades? Don't know if Kanji or Cybertronian, or some random cuneiform, but I thought it was a pretty cool touch.

JediTricks
02-15-2012, 10:10 PM
Yeah, I mentioned those little glyphs in my review, but no image I've found from the cartoon seems to really show that they're Cybertronian glyphs or not, they don't quite match up though. Considering they didn't paint in the sword blade or the hilt, I think the glyphs were a necessity for bringing the show character to life.

Then again, it's like Wheeljack is the new Drift. :p

Tycho
02-16-2012, 12:37 AM
I found the story on Leadfoot and all the remaining Soundwave figures from DOTM.

As well as JediTricks' smart @$$ comment....

I'm not planning on paying the latest prices I found for these DOTM toys, but I will keep my eyes open for the opportunity to buy them at what I think they are worth to me and my desire to build Transformers dioramas in the future.

JediTricks
02-16-2012, 04:46 PM
I found the story on Leadfoot and all the remaining Soundwave figures from DOTM.

As well as JediTricks' smart @$$ comment....

I'm not planning on paying the latest prices I found for these DOTM toys, but I will keep my eyes open for the opportunity to buy them at what I think they are worth to me and my desire to build Transformers dioramas in the future.You can do your own reading, captain lazypants. You found it just fine without me giving you the link, it's your own fault for not following news of the brand you've got such an invested interest in.

With a 4th Bay film, there's always a chance you might get your product in 2 years, but I certainly wouldn't wait to find out.

Darth Metalmute
02-16-2012, 10:12 PM
Here's my ample review for TF:Prime Wheeljack...

I find it hilarious that you are reviewing TF:Prime Wheeljack when I've never seen any TF: Prime figure.:crazed:

JediTricks
02-16-2012, 10:26 PM
You should be seeing pegs at TRU for them and maybe at Target, and then slowly you'll see them fill up at TRU, and I think Target is holding back for the end of the month. None of that is First Edition though, that line is dead.

Tycho
02-17-2012, 08:40 AM
Mirage was widely released everywhere.

He is cloaked so he comes packaged invisible.

I think that is why a lot of people are overlooking him.

figrin bran
02-19-2012, 08:48 PM
I ordered TFP Soundwave off of TRU.com and picked up TFP Wheeljack and Cliffjumper at TRU. I'm trying to tread more carefully with my spending on this line and not going to pick up every character/mold.

CJ's arms are so kibbley, I think I would have preferred the First Edition but that can't be helped at this point.

Anyone else tired of the stacks of HA Leadfoot and Roadbusters at their local Targets?

JediTricks
02-21-2012, 03:19 PM
Sorry to hear Cliffjumper has such a bad situation. I was looking forward to the FE version too, so it's doubly sad to hear this second one bites it.

I wonder how your collection will look in a year. I remember telling myself I wouldn't be getting into Animated and then a year later I had a bunch. :p

On this side of town, it's 90% Leadfoots and 10% Bumblebees for the HA line, and I am entirely sick of seeing them. I will buy Leadfoot again after my first one was returned, but only on clearance at half-price or lower because he's quite terrible.

Tycho
02-23-2012, 06:19 PM
I saw the animated BumbleBee and Cliffjumper in the store (deluxe).

I was tempted to get Cliffjumper, but I don't want to start collecting another line, though the car might fit in with my movie deluxe (as a car), and it's mainly his animated style face that distinguishes him from the Michael Bay line, right? Not sure how the size compares to Bay-Verse cars.

These cars said RID on the packaging. Not sure if there are more than 1 animated line running right now.

I watched part of the Orion Pax episodes on YouTube. TF Prime is quite good and it's great to hear Welker and Cullen work together again. I'm considering watching this series.

JediTricks
02-23-2012, 07:38 PM
TRU Culver City had 6x TF:P Bumblebee, thanks to Hasbro triple-packing him. Yeah, because consumers weren't ALREADY sick of the character in the last movie line, so now we have another line's pegs clogging with him. Great job. :rolleyes:

The TF:P deluxes are slightly smaller than previous deluxes, so I'm not sure how well Cliffjumper would fit in with your existing collection. That said, the DOTM line's deluxes were also smaller than the other movie products.

The "RID" line is the mainline, it differentiates it from the "First Edition" product that was BRIEFLY on shelves 3 months ago.

TF:P is not a good show IMO, it's dumb and poorly conceived and looks awful, you'll love it. It's produced by Orci & Kurtzman.

Chaddymac
02-23-2012, 08:06 PM
TF:P is not a good show IMO, it's dumb and poorly conceived and looks awful, you'll love it. It's produced by Orci & Kurtzman.

I'm a little more zen about it. There are things I like about and things I'm not a big fan of. Ultimately, I think there's a cleverness behind it even if the overall execution is uneven. It's no Beast Wars, and it's not TFA, but it can be fun. Kind of reminds me of Clone Wars, actually.

Darth Metalmute
02-23-2012, 08:28 PM
I enjoy it, but I get irritated with the kids aspect in it.

El Chuxter
02-23-2012, 10:42 PM
My daughter likes it. Given her fondness for Arcee and the dearth of female characters in non-educational cartoons who aren't concerned about shoes and dates, I don't discourage her from watching it.

Tycho
02-24-2012, 07:42 PM
You see Chux, Arcee is a robot and she doesn't have to wear any shoes.

I just thought it was important that I point that out.

JediTricks
02-27-2012, 05:56 PM
I'm a little more zen about it. There are things I like about and things I'm not a big fan of. Ultimately, I think there's a cleverness behind it even if the overall execution is uneven. It's no Beast Wars, and it's not TFA, but it can be fun. Kind of reminds me of Clone Wars, actually.Example of the cleverness? I haven't watched much, Miko and Raf make it especially difficult to sit through, but I found the writing really basic and lazy in the episodes I watched. The only character who seemed to have ANYTHING on the ball was Ratchet.



My daughter likes it. Given her fondness for Arcee and the dearth of female characters in non-educational cartoons who aren't concerned about shoes and dates, I don't discourage her from watching it.Not that I have anything against Chux Jr, but she's a little kid, her tastes aren't going to be entirely discerning at this age (although she does have plenty of specific and discerning tastes, I definitely couldn't miss that when we've met, but I'm saying that she'll like the specific aspects she likes and just have the rest be whatever right now). In any case though, I'm surprised the significant violence on the show doesn't bother you for her, she's pretty little and the show has enough violence to turn me off at times.



You see Chux, Arcee is a robot and she doesn't have to wear any shoes.

I just thought it was important that I point that out.If you watched the show, you'd notice that Arcee wears high-heeled stilletos. High-heeled feet, I guess, since they're not shoes. This is a constant with Arcee from G1 to now, as well as most other feminine-built fembots. Apparently Hasbro thinks kids not only need to see bustlines and hourglass figures to recognize females, but also high-heels.

Chaddymac
02-27-2012, 06:07 PM
Example of the cleverness? I haven't watched much, Miko and Raf make it especially difficult to sit through, but I found the writing really basic and lazy in the episodes I watched. The only character who seemed to have ANYTHING on the ball was Ratchet.

Well, I thought what they did with the last half of the season was pretty clever, including how they used Unicron. I thought that the premiere of Season 2 was pretty clever, the way they referenced and echoed things from the mini-movie that launched the series. There were other things, but I didn't expect to be called on the spot! :)

El Chuxter
02-28-2012, 01:33 AM
Well, it seems like every time she wants to see it, it's some episode with Bulkhead stuck in a cave holding up the ceiling, or something like that. :)

Just because she likes it doesn't mean I have to. But I'd rather her watch that than the pseudo-educational stuff on Nick Jr. At least this has a story. (Admittedly, I prefer her watching something that has a story and is good, or something legitimately educational.)

Saw Bumblebee, Wheeljack, and Cliffjumper today at WM. It's the local one, where I think half the current employees are scalpers. :( Cliffjumper, I'm guessing, is shortpacked, since an employee was carrying him into the back. Wheeljack looked really good. Not buying it, but he looked good.

figrin bran
03-03-2012, 01:24 AM
Instead of cancelling deluxe DOTM Soundwave, Leadfoot and Que, shouldn't Hasbro have cancelled the deluxe Optimus w. trailer? I have a feeling it's not going to sell very well.

I picked up TFP Voyager Prime at Target and it's definitely not worth TRU's $26.99 price tag. At 19.99, it's okay but not stellar.

JediTricks
03-04-2012, 06:41 PM
Well, I thought what they did with the last half of the season was pretty clever, including how they used Unicron. I thought that the premiere of Season 2 was pretty clever, the way they referenced and echoed things from the mini-movie that launched the series. There were other things, but I didn't expect to be called on the spot! :)How DARE you not have examples right away? :p



Well, it seems like every time she wants to see it, it's some episode with Bulkhead stuck in a cave holding up the ceiling, or something like that. :)You smile, but one day they're going to make one of those episodes where Bulkhead's strength gives out and Jack is crushed to death, leaving Raf and Jack's mom to mourn while Miko performs more antics.


Just because she likes it doesn't mean I have to. But I'd rather her watch that than the pseudo-educational stuff on Nick Jr. At least this has a story. (Admittedly, I prefer her watching something that has a story and is good, or something legitimately educational.)That Nick Jr stuff is really bad from what I've seen. Didn't you have a love affair with PBS's Dinosaur Train though?


Saw Bumblebee, Wheeljack, and Cliffjumper today at WM. It's the local one, where I think half the current employees are scalpers. :( Cliffjumper, I'm guessing, is shortpacked, since an employee was carrying him into the back. Wheeljack looked really good. Not buying it, but he looked good.The case is 2x Cliffjumper, 2x Wheeljack, 1x Soundwave, 3x Bumblebee. Wheeljack is pretty good, if you get the hunger, that's a figure to buy.




Instead of cancelling deluxe DOTM Soundwave, Leadfoot and Que, shouldn't Hasbro have cancelled the deluxe Optimus w. trailer? I have a feeling it's not going to sell very well.

I picked up TFP Voyager Prime at Target and it's definitely not worth TRU's $26.99 price tag. At 19.99, it's okay but not stellar.Yeah, that DOTM OP w/ Trailer is starting to show up and I suspect it'll sell ONLY because it looks like a special item and parents won't realize that the trailer becoming an arsenal only means it's an empty box with peg holes.

Sorry to hear that about TFP Voyager Prime, but not surprised to hear it. Target wants $30, I think - I laughed and walked away.


North Hollywood Target had HA Leadfoot on clearance for $15 finally, so I bought. I have found a less-offensive transformation, but it's still only a band-aid on a mediocre figure (and this one also had a defective assembly, another missed hinge pin, but it's not as bad as my last one). I suppose that - barring a Hasbro miracle getting Soundwave into our hands cheaply soon - this will be my last HA purchase.

El Chuxter
03-04-2012, 09:08 PM
Every episode of Dinosaur Train is educational and has a story. ;) Most of the stuff on PBS I don't mind her watching, but there are a few turds there, too.

Chaddymac
03-05-2012, 09:50 AM
You smile, but one day they're going to make one of those episodes where Bulkhead's strength gives out and Jack is crushed to death, leaving Raf and Jack's mom to mourn while Miko performs more antics.

I'm confused - are you saying you WOULDN'T watch that episode? I have half a mind to pitch it to Bob and Alex :)

JediTricks
03-05-2012, 02:24 PM
I'm confused - are you saying you WOULDN'T watch that episode? I have half a mind to pitch it to Bob and Alex :)I was speaking to the disconnect between the appropriateness of violence on the show, but unless Miko gets killed first, I don't think I could be swayed, and the production folks always blathering about how much they love her makes me think we're stuck with her crap until the bitter end.

figrin bran
03-05-2012, 10:27 PM
The case is 2x Cliffjumper, 2x Wheeljack, 1x Soundwave, 3x Bumblebee. Wheeljack is pretty good, if you get the hunger, that's a figure to buy.




Soundwave is pretty solid as well. He has great poseability for a character that is basically just a standstill communications terminal on the show. ;)

JediTricks
03-08-2012, 01:40 AM
Soundwave is pretty solid as well. He has great poseability for a character that is basically just a standstill communications terminal on the show. ;)I wouldn't know, cannot find him around here.

Chaddymac
03-08-2012, 10:17 AM
Really? I saw 4 at Burbank Target last week. I didn't realize you were still looking, but he carries forward into wave 2, so I think you'll come across him. I couldn't believe I saw so many of them at once. Must've just missed Arcee and Ratchet.

JediTricks
03-08-2012, 03:55 PM
Really? I saw 4 at Burbank Target last week. I didn't realize you were still looking, but he carries forward into wave 2, so I think you'll come across him. I couldn't believe I saw so many of them at once. Must've just missed Arcee and Ratchet.
Could be a fluke. He's 1 per case, both waves I think, and the only villain figure that's not Megatron.

Tycho
03-08-2012, 08:23 PM
I found him for JT at kmart. But I guess the price wasnt right and Id have to ship him.

JediTricks
03-08-2012, 10:03 PM
I found him for JT at kmart. But I guess the price wasnt right and Id have to ship him.
Yeah, shipping from SD would be a beast, minimum of $5 even loose. I want the figure, but not anywhere near that badly. I figured if you weren't going out of town soon, we could just meet up and I'd get it then, but your sched wouldn't work with it.


I bought DOTM Cyberverse Legion Crankcase the other day. It's got a clever transformation for a little guy, but man do these Legion figures suck. I now have 10 Cyberverse figures, 5 each faction if you count Sentinel as a villain, and 1 Legion each side. I think Legion is a bad call for Hasbro, they reflect poorly on the brand - they come with no accessories, they're very small for a $5 toy, they're never that much fun, and they're ridiculously spindly and thin and fragile-feeling. I don't think G1 minibots could have withstood being so mediocre. I keep wanting to give Legion another chance, and it keeps failing me.

El Chuxter
03-13-2012, 09:19 PM
I thought there was an Arcee figure in the Prime line. Am I mistaken, or is there a reason I haven't seen her?

I didn't even know Wheeljack was in the show before I saw the toy, so it makes little sense to include him and not, oh, I dunno, the MAIN CHARACTER!

Also, looks like Cliffjumper had at least two different figures. Did he not stay dead after his unceremonious demise in the FIRST FIVE MINUTES OF THE PILOT EPISODE?

JediTricks
03-14-2012, 07:40 PM
I thought there was an Arcee figure in the Prime line. Am I mistaken, or is there a reason I haven't seen her?

I didn't even know Wheeljack was in the show before I saw the toy, so it makes little sense to include him and not, oh, I dunno, the MAIN CHARACTER!

Also, looks like Cliffjumper had at least two different figures. Did he not stay dead after his unceremonious demise in the FIRST FIVE MINUTES OF THE PILOT EPISODE?

There are 2 Arcees in the line, the "First Edition" which had a very limited release about 3 months ago, and the regular line's deluxe which is in the 2nd wave and not out yet.

Cliffjumper becomes a zombie in the 2nd episode, so they have a regular figure of him, a zombie figure of him, and they also made a "first edition" figure of him. I suspect the "First Edition" figures are all from a previous brand management where they were going for a higher-cost item that looked and worked better, before changing gears and downgrading to the mainline we have now.

Chaddymac
03-14-2012, 08:25 PM
There are 2 Arcees in the line, the "First Edition" which had a very limited release about 3 months ago, and the regular line's deluxe which is in the 2nd wave and not out yet.

Cliffjumper becomes a zombie in the 2nd episode, so they have a regular figure of him, a zombie figure of him, and they also made a "first edition" figure of him. I suspect the "First Edition" figures are all from a previous brand management where they were going for a higher-cost item that looked and worked better, before changing gears and downgrading to the mainline we have now.
Actually, the new Arcee, as well as deluxe Ratchet, have been released. FE Cliffjumper never saw a release in the US.

JediTricks
03-15-2012, 04:04 PM
Oh, I didn't realize Cliff didn't get a release, I saw NONE of the FEs in stores, so they're all vaporware to me.

Wave 2 is out? I still haven't seen Soundwave yet. This line is so weird. I haven't seen any Cyberverse Commanders either, now that I think about it.

Chaddymac
03-15-2012, 04:16 PM
Oh, I didn't realize Cliff didn't get a release, I saw NONE of the FEs in stores, so they're all vaporware to me.

Wave 2 is out? I still haven't seen Soundwave yet. This line is so weird. I haven't seen any Cyberverse Commanders either, now that I think about it.
I saw a host of Soundwaves at Burbank Target one evening, but they sold within a few days, as did most of his case mates. I thought, at the time, it was a Wave 1 case, but later learned they'd put out several Wave 2 cases. I still haven't seen Arcee or Ratchet, but they've been available for a few weeks now. Technically.

JetsAndHeels
03-15-2012, 04:27 PM
Wave 2 has been spotted in several places, including NC, but I have not seen them yet. The only really one I want is Ratchet, since I have the FE version of Arcee.

Chaddymac
03-15-2012, 04:34 PM
I just wish Ratchet were bigger and his transformation weren't so fake-y. You a Supernatural fan? Look for a TF reference near the end of this season :)

JetsAndHeels
03-15-2012, 04:43 PM
Oh yeah I am a huge Supernatural fan. It's my favorite show. I am so glad tomorrow night is a new episode.

Chaddymac
03-15-2012, 04:46 PM
That's cool to hear. You're never quite sure, especially when a show hits seven seasons, if there are still people who would call themselves a "huge fan".

JetsAndHeels
03-15-2012, 04:51 PM
Oh I am no doubt a huge fan, and have even managed to get my wife interested in it.

JediTricks
03-16-2012, 02:44 PM
Aww, that's so NOT TRANSFORMERS DISCUSSION! ;)

Chris Latta and Simon Furman are being inducted into the Hall of Fame this year alongside the bots. Oh, that reminds me, who are you guys voting for in the HOF vote? I've been voting BW Megs and Wheeljack, it's 1 vote per day.

Tycho
03-16-2012, 02:50 PM
JetsAndHeels, I didn't even know you married your girlfriend. I remember when we were talking on the phone and you must have just started dating her.

El Chuxter
03-16-2012, 07:18 PM
I'd vote for Andrew Wildman, Bob Budiansky, Frank Springer, and Denny O'Neil, if they were choices.

JetsAndHeels
03-18-2012, 09:18 AM
JetsAndHeels, I didn't even know you married your girlfriend. I remember when we were talking on the phone and you must have just started dating her.

We got married on May 28 of last year. We were engaged for about 6 months. We had dated for a while about 10 years ago as well, so we know each other well.

Back on topic, I saw some of the Bot shot launchers for the first time last night at Target. I may get the Megatron one eventually, but I can hold off for now.

And a buddy of mine found me a Prime Ratchet. I haven't gotten it from him yet, but I'm glad I don't have to worry about finding that one.

Darth Metalmute
03-25-2012, 06:09 PM
Finally found the Prime wave. They had Megatron, Optimus, Arcee, Cliffjumper, Bumblebee, Ratchet, Soundwave, and Wheeljack. I picked up Soundwave just because I was curious of how they would be able to make him. I also picked up Cyberverse Arcee.

El Chuxter
03-25-2012, 07:03 PM
Found an Arcee for Chux Jr. And, wouldn't you know it, two days later and there's a $4-off manufacturer's coupon. If she were easier to find, I'd simply take her back and re-buy her.

Darth Metalmute
03-25-2012, 07:58 PM
very disappointed with cyberverse Arcee. transformation is hard for something this small and nothing locks in place. I should have went with the bigger one but 12 bucks seemed to high.

JediTricks
03-26-2012, 05:13 PM
Cyberverse is generally not so great, but I haven't heard other reviews about that Legion Arcee being bad, so I'm surprised. I haven't seen it personally, the only Legions I've seen have been Bumblebee and Cliffjumper so far, they seem to sell very fast. I haven't seen any Commanders at all, so either they're not stocking around here yet or they're moving even faster.

You know who's not moving? Dlx Bumblebee, holy crap the pegs here are clogged with that figure! A few Cliffjumpers and the rare Wheeljack too, but BB is just ruining pegs around here.


So, I picked up TF:P Dlx Soundwave finally. I think this figure is a tad overhyped, it's not bad but it's not that well-detailed, it's small, it's gappy in the chest, Laserbeak doesn't look like much of anything, and there's not enough paint.

Soundwave's alt mode is a drone with a Transformer chest for an engine and no actual means of propulsion, so he's a cybertronian vehicle. The main look is roughly accurate, a little less sleek and smooth, less color, and has gaps that shouldn't be there. The underside isn't great, the obvious leg and arm bits hurt, the obvious bot chest, but it's not the worst flyer underside by a long stretch. There's a front landing wheel that folds down, but no rear landing gear - I think Laserbeak's wing hinges fold down to become the rear gear, they're the right height that way, although there's 2 non-movable chest points that also could be taken as landing gear.

Laserbeak isn't anything, as mentioned, he's just a set of simple panels like an origami bird, and the only articulation is a hinge for each larger wing which itself sits on rotating arm to fit as Soundwave's chest. Laserbeak's design is fairly accurate aside from a missing set of wings, but a lack of paint for the "eye" makes an already-obtuse design even more difficult to fathom.

Soundwave's transformation isn't much to write home about, it just moves the shoulders up and repositions parts on the arms and legs, then automorph causes the head to pop up when you open the back all the way (the trigger doesn't fire until the back plate is 90 degrees open). It's barely satisfying, really the only charm is the shoulders moving up.

Bot mode is fairly faithful to the show's design, just a little more kibble around the back of the legs, a touch less sleek due to the reality of making a toy, and there's a significant loss of details due to almost no paint - the upper body suffers greatly due to a lack of paint, especially when Laserbeak isn't installed. Soundwave is pointy with lots of panels going every which way, he's got very long arms with long fingers surrounding a 5mm hole, his chest is a docked Laserbeak, and his legs are chicken-legs. There is some blue paint showing around, but it's not in enough places so it doesn't stand out, and most of the electric fuchsia ends up getting lost. Soundwave is also a bit hunched forward at the lower torso, it's a joint you don't have to use but it gets gappy that way especially once Laserbeak is removed. With Laserbeak in place, Soundwave looks pretty interesting and alien with very long arms and a non-face, but with Laserbeak gone it's a lot of sad gaps in place of a chest, he looks incomplete - partly because it seems there was paint planned go to in there as well and got cut from the already wafer-thin budget.

Articulation is pretty good, lots of motion and range of motion except for the knees which are very limited in both directions by kibble. The head is a ball joint but on a horizontal axis so he has to **** his head to turn it not unlike a confused dog; the neck joint is very loose so the figure can't look up without his head dropping down lower than his shoulders - hence, he can't look upright - and there's an intended block which keeps the head from raising higher without dislodging the back plate, although it's worth it if you want a less-alien-looking Soundwave. The odd hands have a hole that can perch Laserbeak via a peg formed around a triangular "beard" the show design has; DvD has argued that the triangular tail can be used to treat Laserbeak as a handheld blaster, I like this, it means pegging him into the palm side instead of the perch side.

Soundwave is a really odd figure, the vehicle mode isn't that fun but it's true to the show, Laserbeak is a total snore, Soundwave's bot mode is pretty alien and true to the show but isn't really for everybody's tastes. I think a lack of paint for both characters ultimately keeps this set from being better than it could be. I'd give it a middle grade, a 6.5 or 7 out of 10.

JediTricks
03-26-2012, 05:31 PM
Oh, I nearly forgot, I picked up DOTM Human Alliance basic Thunderhead on clearance at Target this weekend, $5.24. The figure doesn't merit a full review, but it's also not as bad as I thought it'd be.

Bot mode is ok, a lot of backpack perhaps, but overall the bot mode looks alright (definitely more bad guy than the Autobot he is though), and the feet fold past flat to more of a toes look which helps with his proportions. The articulation is a little frustrating with a lot of limitations at the knees and ankles, but most frustrating is a lack of swivel at the anywhere along the arm, so the hands end up SIDEWAYS to the elbow articulation - he can only hold stuff like he's doing bicep curls! Also, there are 3mm clip weapons on his backpack which can't really be deployed here, and no useable clip-rails in bot mode (there are clip-rails at the elbows but they are slightly too small so the weapons just dangle face down making them useless).

Transformation to alt mode is overly simple, basically it's just rotating the backpack around, folding up a few greebles, and repositioning the limbs.

The official alt mode is an unarmored, 1-man spider-tank with hexagon-plated treads at the end of every limb. The treads cannot truly lay flat due to their "motor" ends being fatter than the treads themselves, but there are a lot of position ideas that can be worked out, especially since the treads have hexagon-plates which could suggest multi-direction movement akin to a mecanum wheel. The instructions say the robot arms just rotate around, yet they're on a set of hinges which let them pivot all the way around to cover the neck-hole despite no mode using that range of motion, so I assume that the designers meant them to move there to cover that hole and stick out the front diagonally, that also makes the front tread-legs equidistant to the rear now. It's still pretty half-assed though.

Transformation to weapon mode has a little more going on with the lower torso folding down to create a mech suit for the driver with a gun over his head, there's even a fold-down panel with outer grips and gauges and buttons on the inner section. The arms don't end up reaching past this cockpit in this mode, making it a bit dubious a design, and the hands fold past straight to 90 degrees up, suggesting something else was intended for them, but it's not a terrible mech suit. I'd argue that this is actually the vehicle mode, and the walking tank is the weapon mode since it's more of a traditional cannon shape, but neither mode has a 5-mm peg that can be gripped by another bot the way the rest of the HA weapon modes have.

The human figure is a basic military guy, really not much going on, he's light colored and has a tiny autobot logo on his chest. Like the other humans in this basic line, he's shorter than the original HA figures and thus his ability to reach the controls of the tank are quite compromised, the head has to be slid all the way back just to get there.

All in all, at $10 this is pretty mediocre, but it's not as bad as packaging, official images, and crummy instructions would suggest.

figrin bran
03-27-2012, 10:46 AM
TFP deluxe Arcee arrived a few days ago and I also got cyberverse commander Starscream, Megatron and Optimus from WM. Haven't had time to open any of them yet.

Universal Studios Hollywood is offering to passholders previews of the Transformers ride on May 4-6 so I'll most likely be going on one of those days.

JediTricks
03-27-2012, 01:24 PM
That's cool about the ride preview! The description of the ride definitely sounds like it'll be a "big" ride and very Bayverse. If I front you the cash, think you could pick me up the Evac deluxe figure they're selling at the end of the ride? The slides looked really good at Botcon last year and I would like to have him.

figrin bran
03-27-2012, 09:51 PM
That's cool about the ride preview! The description of the ride definitely sounds like it'll be a "big" ride and very Bayverse. If I front you the cash, think you could pick me up the Evac deluxe figure they're selling at the end of the ride? The slides looked really good at Botcon last year and I would like to have him.

Sure, I can do that

JediTricks
03-27-2012, 10:09 PM
Sure, I can do that
Cool, thanks!


I finally saw some TF:P Cyberverse today, at TRU. They wanted $6 for the Legion figures, which is only somewhat crazy, but they wanted $12 each for the friggin' Commanders! They did come with mini-DVDs, but so what? That's just free marketing, why should consumers have to tack on $4 extra for it?

Darth Metalmute
03-28-2012, 09:39 PM
Cyberverse is generally not so great, but I haven't heard other reviews about that Legion Arcee being bad, so I'm surprised. I haven't seen it personally, the only Legions I've seen have been Bumblebee and Cliffjumper so far, they seem to sell very fast. I haven't seen any Commanders at all, so either they're not stocking around here yet or they're moving even faster.

I haven't had any issues with my previous Cyberverse figures, but I have only purchased commanders. I thick Arcee is just lazy. It's like they wanted to do everything and nothing at the same time.


Soundwave is a really odd figure, the vehicle mode isn't that fun but it's true to the show, Laserbeak is a total snore, Soundwave's bot mode is pretty alien and true to the show but isn't really for everybody's tastes. I think a lack of paint for both characters ultimately keeps this set from being better than it could be. I'd give it a middle grade, a 6.5 or 7 out of 10.

I was actually pretty impressed with Soundwave. When I saw him on the show, I couldn't figure out how they were going to make him. They did a pretty good job. I like the fact that his arms look as thin as they do on the show but still are strong. The paint is a tad boring, but accurate. I'm not a fan of the plastic it's made with, but it looks like a trend that's staying. Laserbeak is boring, but accurate for its size and I love the fact it fits in Soundwaves chest.

JediTricks
03-29-2012, 09:48 PM
I have 2 Legion figures from the DOTM line, and one of them uses very thin plastic and a lazy transformation, but it sounds like Arcee is worse than that. I picked up an Arcee for Chaddymac and was a little tempted to open her, but I can see in package what you're saying, although I don't know if every type of collector would be bothered by the way the joints are doing all the work without even friction bumps. I do think the IDEA of the sculpt for $5 is worth some concessions though, it looks like they did a lot for the concept, but I can't speak to that execution.



Picked up TF:P Cyberverse Commander Starscream at Target yesterday, on sale for $8, with the pack-in DVD (episode is Masters & Students, I haven't watched yet, I think it's the very first episode I stopped at).

Vehicle mode is where I'll start because it's where the weaknesses are found. Vehicle mode is fair but the legs are too obvious and the feet are un-aerodynamically-placed - though they can be rotated to minimize that some. From the bottom it's not much worse, but the robot hands show, the robot legs are obvious, and the chest is an obvious odd shape. The real problem I have with this alt mode is that the rear end is just legs folded over. Also, the cockpit doesn't quite integrate with the rest of the vehicle that well. But it's not terrible, tho' it's also not really that good. It's very pointy, only the vertical portion of the tail is soft rubber, the weapons stick out too, so younger kids should take some precaution.

Transformation is basic but not unsatisfying. It's just unfolding and splitting, and a head reveal, but enough stays moving and clicks into place to make it acceptable. Back to vehicle mode is about the same, although the vertical tail doesn't lock into position - its notch is a fraction too shallow to hold the tab, I think. Folding the shoulders into the torso all the way causes the head to pop out of its socket, it's a nice touch though not enough to be called an automorph. The tail in package is rotated towards the figure, the instructions say to rotate it around but doing so shows that gap behind the head more than having the tail partly fill it in, so you have to decide what looks better to you as the "wrong" way leaves less backpack.

Bot mode seems fairly accurate, except that he doesn't have the wings sticking out the shoulders -- ironically, I think this figure's solution looks far less kibbly than the actual character. This version's wings are lower and visually unobtrusive, although they are a considerable amount of backpack. There's a good amount of paint here, small details like the fin, eyes, and decepticon logo; and the light-pipe aspect - while considerable throughout the torso - is not as overwhelming as the other figures IMO, he doesn't look like a cheap clear figure. Aside from the wings/backpack situation, the only other real inaccuracy to the show is the cockpit halves end up as the outsides of the forearms, the tip going past the hands, but it's not a deal-breaker. Those cockpit shell parts can be dislodged from the forearms, but on mine one side of the elbow got bent by doing this, and the other arm's pin is so loose that the arm can't stay up without the shell, so clearly it's about manufacturing rather than play intentions -- that said, unpinning the forearms helps with holding the accessories in sword positions. Sculpting is ok, there's not a lot of detail in TF:P designs in general so it's easy to keep this character's sculpt simple yet accurate, although the small hollow behind the head has some tech details sculpted into it which is a nice touch.

Speaking of the accessories, each is a clear fuchsia blade/blaster/battle fork/missile combination with a peg underneath to be held as a blaster or pegged into the forearms or pegged into the wings, a peg hole above so they can be stacked, and a peg behind so the whole thing can be held as a sword; each weapon is sculpted to correspond to a specific side of the jet. The sculpted design of the weapons suggests that a blade has transformed into an open position, branching out to expose the blaster barrel within perhaps. The figure can hold the weapons fine, although in sword position the missile gets blocked by the cockpit shell part causing the blade to be slightly tilted back towards the figure, so dislodging that forearm straightens out the blade-holding. The thin hands are showing small signs of stress fractures but I think they won't get worse. The figure doesn't have any true 3mm clip-system rails, the tips of his wings are 3mm rail-like, but are a fraction too small to hold any clips, so they just slide right off; the missiles on the accessories are even smaller.

Articulation is ball-jointed shoulders with a small amount of rotation range built into the ball-joint receiver, hinged biceps, hinged elbows, ball-jointed hips, hinged knees that can bend almost 180, rotation feet, and a hinge that lets the otherwise-static head look up. That little bit of head articulation helps since the figure has no neck and is slightly hunched. The ball-joints are all reasonably snug, but the feet are so dainty that the figure has a hard time standing on his own; also, there's one angle on each shoulder on mine where the joint is entirely loose for about 5 degrees and it just drops down a little, the right is pointed straight ahead, the left is nearly slack, but both are easily compensated-against. The figure has a lot of range and can strike many poses, but the feet mean he can't hold most of them on his own. The neck not being able to turn also limits poses a bit.

The only thing you should watch out for in-package is the painted panel on the chest and the paint around the head - especially the eyes - where you'll risk slop, off-center faction logo, and scraped paint.

Overall, Starscream is not a bad figure, but it's not a great one either. I don't think the simpler lines of TF:P lend themselves well to the smaller format of Cyberverse compared to something like the movie aesthetics, here it makes a small figure look overly simple and basic when it actually has more going on. Also, I think Cyberverse Commanders pushing $10 is insane for a relatively simple build - these aren't complex lines and joints like Star Wars figures, and they only have a couple simple accessories - but the biggest issue is that they're not terribly satisfying as TRANSFORMERS, they're not generally fun to transform. The figure has a lot of personality in robot mode, that's where its strengths lie, so it gets a middle grade from me, a C, or a 6.5 / 10.

JetsAndHeels
03-31-2012, 02:00 PM
very disappointed with cyberverse Arcee. transformation is hard for something this small and nothing locks in place. I should have went with the bigger one but 12 bucks seemed to high.

So this...I bought it a few weeks ago, and I had instant buyers remorse once I got it open. I tossed it aside and started to fiddle with my FE version. The cyberverse one is a waste of plastic.

On a more positive note, I opened up deluxe Ratchet and I like him alot. Transformation is pretty simple, yet it works for him. The figure has alot of personality. I recommend.

JediTricks
03-31-2012, 04:22 PM
Ouch!

Check it out, the mainline Vehicon looks better than the FE! http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-prime-39/robots-in-disguise-vehicon-images-with-first-edition-comparison-pictures-174709/
They put his windshield kibble into his feet, that's an awesome choice!

Tycho
04-06-2012, 05:04 AM
I am considering:

2 DOTM HA Soundwaves from Japan
2 DOTM Deluxe Soundwaves from Japan
2 DOTM Deluxe Leadfoots from Japan
2 3rd Party Leader Class Blackouts from Japan

I have no current plans to buy other Transformers, so I might be able to save for these kind of purchases.

In time, their price and the demand for them might also go down.

In CVS Pharmacies, I have seen a generic brand car toy that is the Mercedes (or a similar one) that Soundwave converts to. I think it is HA scale. Since I display one in vehicle form, I am strongly considering this. However, the Laserbeak figure included with the HA Soundwave is also something I want 2 of, so maybe it's not a great option for me.

JediTricks
04-06-2012, 03:02 PM
Sounds expensive. Very expensive. And with the 4th movie on the horizon, who knows what Hasbro will do with those figures.

Soundwave in DOTM turns into a stock Mercedes SLS, the one with gull wing doors. The scale would be 1:24th to fit HA. If that's what it is, you might as well buy 1, if it's anything like this one then the only differences are the silver secondary inlet grilles instead of black: http://www.diecastcars.tv/product_info.php?products_id=15303

I didn't even know there was a 3rd party LC Blackout until your post. I looked it up, it looks... very hollow from the back, and very rough in design: http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/3rd-party-unlicensed-41/x-transbots-leader-class-movie-blackout-174257/
still, if they can keep working on it and get it looking better as it goes along, they could really have something here. This is another case where I really want to support Hasbro's rights to defend their IP, but they are simply ignoring the pleas made by the market leaving many fans unfulfilled, and show no interest in listening or compromising with their market, making it easy for the fan base to turn a blind eye to the company complaining about others violating their rights.

JetsAndHeels
04-06-2012, 03:27 PM
I bought my deluxe Soundwave a couple of months ago. It was just before the Hasbro announcement that we would not see him (or deluxe leadfoot or HA soundwave) here in the states. I paid close to $40 for mine, but now I can only imagine that price has gone up.

I have noticed that HA Barricade is going for a good amount on ebay. I have an extra one MISB, and I am considering offering it as a trade to someone that might have a HA Soundwave. The problem is, I don't know of anyone that has one.

Tycho
04-07-2012, 03:35 PM
I was able to buy a HA Barricade w. Frenzy for $40 and shipping. (Loose, Mint)

I am looking for one more, but of course I don't have Soundwave.

JediTricks, yeah, that car that CVS Pharmacy carries would work for Soundwave in vehicle mode (HA scale). But no Laserbeak. Hmmm.

I think I also need 2 Laserbeaks at that scale. One is perfect to perch on Voyager Class Megatron's arm. One use I have for one of them.

I think the other is to attack HA sized Autobots like the Wreckers. (I believe I have enough Bumblebees in every scale - which probably includes 3 HA Bumblebees for other "scenes" I want to pose my figures in).

Another thing, I distinctly recall that you were against Hasbro making the Leader Class Blackout for lack of demand before. Have you reversed your position?

In defense of your previous stance, the 3rd party company might do a great job and price him much higher than Hasbro sells their toys, suitably costing what could be supported by a limited market for this toy. However, it might just catch on and leave Hasbro behind without a paddle. I think the product looks better than other 3rd party items like the City Commander Ultra Magnus, which was like a LEGO kit assembler versus a true Transformer (converting parts on connected hinges, versus add-on stuff you assemble). If they handle Blackout well, perhaps they should do an Ultra Magnus as well - based off of that Titanium design I bought and like so much (about a Voyager Class size)?

Another 3rd party product that's awfully tempting is the Devastator that I think is dubbed Hurcules. In all green like the G1 Devastator, this beast is comprised of all 6 original Constructicons - each sold separately. And they look to be Voyager Class sized by themselves! Then they both transform into robots, AND combine into Devastator (cough - Hurcules).

I don't really need this after purchasing the largest Devastator from ROTF that Hasbro made - it's sort of a similar size - but would have rather waited for this 3rd Party product, had I known better. But maybe they could issue a repaint in the ROTF mismatched colors? I love G1 nostalgia, but sometimes I prefer the movies more. It's got that real-world feel to it The construction vehicles would not all be the same color. That's not much of a disguise in the real world.

By the way, SOMEONE ANSWER ME THIS: why are these being called 3rd party products?

My thoughts: Takara Tomy makes these as the first party. Then Hasbro buys them as the 2nd party, actually. (Convoy or Optimus Prime, right?) So now these are then 3rd party. Right? The description is accurate?

JetsAndHeels
04-07-2012, 04:32 PM
Tycho, if you want another HA Barricade, I am willing to offer it to you. Have you got anything you are looking to trade?

JediTricks
04-07-2012, 05:36 PM
I bought my deluxe Soundwave a couple of months ago. It was just before the Hasbro announcement that we would not see him (or deluxe leadfoot or HA soundwave) here in the states. I paid close to $40 for mine, but now I can only imagine that price has gone up.

I have noticed that HA Barricade is going for a good amount on ebay. I have an extra one MISB, and I am considering offering it as a trade to someone that might have a HA Soundwave. The problem is, I don't know of anyone that has one.Still going for $35-$40 shipped on ebay.

I just checked, HA Soundwave is down to $65 shipped. I guess the Japanese releases are hitting big over there. Still too much bread for me though, especially with that figure's bad proportions from upper body to lower.



Another thing, I distinctly recall that you were against Hasbro making the Leader Class Blackout for lack of demand before. Have you reversed your position?

In defense of your previous stance, the 3rd party company might do a great job and price him much higher than Hasbro sells their toys, suitably costing what could be supported by a limited market for this toy. However, it might just catch on and leave Hasbro behind without a paddle. I think the product looks better than other 3rd party items like the City Commander Ultra Magnus, which was like a LEGO kit assembler versus a true Transformer (converting parts on connected hinges, versus add-on stuff you assemble). If they handle Blackout well, perhaps they should do an Ultra Magnus as well - based off of that Titanium design I bought and like so much (about a Voyager Class size)?
I wasn't AGAINST Hasbro releasing LC Blackout, I was only explaining why they wouldn't, and likely never will. Hasbro missed the curtain for maximizing profitability on a LC Blackout figure back in '07/'08, unless the character shows up big in the next film or there's a re-release, there's not going to be another good window to convince them that there's a reason to spend their budget on doing that figure. Blackout was a big part of the marketing for the first movie, without that there's not as much audience recognition and desire for a big $50 figure of him, and every day that passes he gets more forgettable. The 3rd party companies don't need to make a big profit because they don't have the corporate overhead like a staff design team, executives, shipping, legal, testing, etc., and those 3rd party companies may not even want to make any profit at all, so their version may not affect Hasbro's choices whatsoever.



By the way, SOMEONE ANSWER ME THIS: why are these being called 3rd party products?

My thoughts: Takara Tomy makes these as the first party. Then Hasbro buys them as the 2nd party, actually. (Convoy or Optimus Prime, right?) So now these are then 3rd party. Right? The description is accurate?Hasbro is not 2nd-party, they are co-producers with Takaratomy on the toys, and they hold the rights to the characters I believe. Takara doesn't make the product and sell it to Hasbro, they share the venture.

3rd party means they are not directly involved, they are not an active party in the brand's business, they are neither official producer nor consumer, they are outside the licensed transaction, hence "third party". It's like narrative:
first person - "I took the gun in my hand and squeezed the trigger, the recoil flung my arm back and cut my thumb open. I went to clean the wound with iodine, its stench and color turned my stomach. Afterwards, I grabbed more shells from the box and could feel my face tighten as I loaded each one, knowing what each one could be fated for."
second person - "You walked down the hall, the shackles around your ankles chafed with every step, each one produced a rhythmic clanking which was music to your ears - the last music you'd ever hear. A priest stopped you and performed last rites. You looked into his dead eyes and knew that he would have to suffer a thousand more deaths, while you were on your way to your final one. They shaved your head and off you went to the chamber, you couldn't wait to see the looks on their faces."
third person - "He watched as the woman left the club and walked hurriedly to her car. As she scanned the surroundings, he ducked down under the sill of his DeSoto and listened until he heard her door slam and motor turn over, then he popped back up. Quickly he hit the starter and pulled out of the space with his lights still off to avoid catching her attention. His target wasn't going to lose him so quickly, even if she was being careful. That money was going to be in his hands in only a few hours, he could already feel each bill."

Notice that first person narrative speaks as the protagonist, the second person narrative speaks to the protagonist, and the third person narrative speaks of the protagonist - while remaining outside the parties those involved in the story.

Darth Metalmute
04-07-2012, 06:02 PM
Another 3rd party product that's awfully tempting is the Devastator that I think is dubbed Hurcules. In all green like the G1 Devastator, this beast is comprised of all 6 original Constructicons - each sold separately. And they look to be Voyager Class sized by themselves! Then they both transform into robots, AND combine into Devastator (cough - Hurcules).

I've always said Hasbro missed the boat on the G1 Devastator. Seemed to me that Voyager Class Constructicons at 24 dollars would sell. Hurcules is 100 dollars a vehicle! I would have bought it but not at 600 bucks. 120-150 for sure...

JetsAndHeels
04-07-2012, 06:52 PM
I only own a couple 3rd party products. While they are nice, I just can't buy many of these. Money is the issue.

Tycho
04-08-2012, 01:20 AM
Money is all I can offer for human alliance barricade by the way.

What third party products to you own?

Thanks for your information and opinions jt. It was interesting.

El Chuxter
04-08-2012, 07:33 PM
The Easter Bunny brought my daughter an Arcee. All in all, quite a nice figure. Easy to transform, superb poseability. My only complaint is minor; I've not followed the show, but I'm pretty sure she doesn't use a gun that's almost as long as she is tall.

figrin bran
04-08-2012, 08:31 PM
Hercules looks awesome but wayyyy too high a pricetag to complete the gestalt.


The Easter Bunny brought my daughter an Arcee. All in all, quite a nice figure. Easy to transform, superb poseability. My only complaint is minor; I've not followed the show, but I'm pretty sure she doesn't use a gun that's almost as long as she is tall.

I hope she enjoys it! I think I actually that mold of TFP Arcee to the First Edition mold. I wish they would have packed a second arm blade instead of that huge gun which I ended up giving to TFP Voyager Optimus.

Maradona
04-09-2012, 10:26 AM
3rd party means they are not directly involved, they are not an active party in the brand's business, they are neither official producer nor consumer, they are outside the licensed transaction, hence "third party". It's like narrative:

first person - "I took the gun in my hand and squeezed the trigger, the recoil flung my arm back and cut my thumb open. I went to clean the wound with iodine, its stench and color turned my stomach. Afterwards, I grabbed more shells from the box and could feel my face tighten as I loaded each one, knowing what each one could be fated for."
second person - "You walked down the hall, the shackles around your ankles chafed with every step, each one produced a rhythmic clanking which was music to your ears - the last music you'd ever hear. A priest stopped you and performed last rites. You looked into his dead eyes and knew that he would have to suffer a thousand more deaths, while you were on your way to your final one. They shaved your head and off you went to the chamber, you couldn't wait to see the looks on their faces."
third person - "He watched as the woman left the club and walked hurriedly to her car. As she scanned the surroundings, he ducked down under the sill of his DeSoto and listened until he heard her door slam and motor turn over, then he popped back up. Quickly he hit the starter and pulled out of the space with his lights still off to avoid catching her attention. His target wasn't going to lose him so quickly, even if she was being careful. That money was going to be in his hands in only a few hours, he could already feel each bill."

Notice that first person narrative speaks as the protagonist, the second person narrative speaks to the protagonist, and the third person narrative speaks of the protagonist - while remaining outside the parties those involved in the story.

Very didactic (and the Continental Op would be pleased by the examples). You know, JT, in the teaching profession, we're always looking for a few good men (and women) to help indoctrinate the youth of this country. :)

JetsAndHeels
04-09-2012, 02:17 PM
What third party products to you own?

Fansproject Protector armor with the target master gun for classics Rodimus.

Also have the upgrade kit for Hardhead.

Tycho
04-10-2012, 12:28 AM
Cool.

I wished I had something else to say about Transformers right now.

Oh, I actually do:

http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/japanese-transformers-40/transformers-whos-who-hideaki-yoke--koujin-oono-on-the-history-of-transformers-174774/

This article from TFW2005 is an interview with the guys who actually invented Transformers.

How cool is that?

Well, the foundation was a collaborative process. One of these guys did actually design Reflector and Perceptor, however.

I think Transformers are cool. I always did. I liked Ironhide when I was a kid. Still do. I think his G1 toy looked good in the packaging. But it was disappointing when you opened him up.

Optimus Prime is usually always the best toy: G1 was an awesome figure and today's Masterpiece has not yet been outdone.

And I would wear a t-shirt with a picture of a Peterbuilt truck in red and blue with the license plate "F*RODMS" on it. :D

Chaddymac
04-10-2012, 09:39 AM
Cool.

I wished I had something else to say about Transformers right now.

Oh, I actually do:

http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/japanese-transformers-40/transformers-whos-who-hideaki-yoke--koujin-oono-on-the-history-of-transformers-174774/

This article from TFW2005 is an interview with the guys who actually invented Transformers.

How cool is that?

Well, the foundation was a collaborative process. One of these guys did actually design Reflector and Perceptor, however.

I think Transformers are cool. I always did. I liked Ironhide when I was a kid. Still do. I think his G1 toy looked good in the packaging. But it was disappointing when you opened him up.

Optimus Prime is usually always the best toy: G1 was an awesome figure and today's Masterpiece has not yet been outdone.

And I would wear a t-shirt with a picture of a Peterbuilt truck in red and blue with the license plate "F*RODMS" on it. :D

You've seen the new Masterpiece Optimus Prime, right?

JetsAndHeels
04-10-2012, 02:07 PM
Speaking of Masterpieces, I really want MP-11.

I scored PRID Arcee yesterday at Walmart. I was not going to get this version originally since I already have the FE, but I am glad I decided to get her. She's a really cool figure, although a bit smaller in proportion to the FE design.

Darth Metalmute
04-10-2012, 08:39 PM
Did anyone find/purchase Cyberverse Shockwave? I found him once but didn't buy him due to being out of state. Haven't seen him since. Now the price is ridiculous and I'm curious if its worth the money.

Tycho
04-11-2012, 01:12 AM
I have Cyberverse Shockwave and I was like him a lot.

I have not seen a new mp Optimus. Not in the market though.

Chaddymac
04-11-2012, 02:06 PM
I have Cyberverse Shockwave and I was like him a lot.

I have not seen a new mp Optimus. Not in the market though.

I'm sure you're NOT in the market, but I wanted throw fuel on the fire of the debate for whether MP-1 Prime has been eclipsed. Not even sure where I fall, but here's a link: http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=TAK11255&mode=retail

Tycho
04-11-2012, 04:57 PM
It's Hey wonderful hommage to G1 but they do you use the now masterpiece as the basis. That demonstrates the quality of that point.

JetsAndHeels
04-13-2012, 08:51 PM
I have MP-1 (the first Optimus Masterpiece), but do not have MP-10. From all the reviews I have read on MP-10, most say it is superior.

Darth Metalmute
04-16-2012, 07:32 PM
I have Cyberverse Shockwave and I was like him a lot.

I finally found him again at TRU, so I bought it. I cannot transform him well into the tank. did you have the same problem?

figrin bran
04-16-2012, 10:03 PM
I picked up TF Prime Ratchet and Legion Class Evac over the weekend.

Ratchet may be one of the best Ratchets ever produced but that's not saying a whole lot. Bot mode is pretty good, however alt mode has too many unsightly seam lines though not nearly as bad as on Classics Ratchet. I think I'd give him a B/B- overall.

JediTricks
04-17-2012, 02:54 PM
Very didactic (and the Continental Op would be pleased by the examples). You know, JT, in the teaching profession, we're always looking for a few good men (and women) to help indoctrinate the youth of this country. :)Ha! Thanks, especially from The Op. I've thought about teaching before, but the sizes of classrooms isn't really the way I work with information, it wasn't when I was a student either, I'm a more small-groups sort of person. Also, not having any college definitely doesn't help. ;)



Cool.

I wished I had something else to say about Transformers right now.

Oh, I actually do:

http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/japanese-transformers-40/transformers-whos-who-hideaki-yoke--koujin-oono-on-the-history-of-transformers-174774/

This article from TFW2005 is an interview with the guys who actually invented Transformers.

How cool is that?

Well, the foundation was a collaborative process. One of these guys did actually design Reflector and Perceptor, however.

I think Transformers are cool. I always did. I liked Ironhide when I was a kid. Still do. I think his G1 toy looked good in the packaging. But it was disappointing when you opened him up.

Optimus Prime is usually always the best toy: G1 was an awesome figure and today's Masterpiece has not yet been outdone.

And I would wear a t-shirt with a picture of a Peterbuilt truck in red and blue with the license plate "F*RODMS" on it. :DThey didn't technically invent Transformers, nor did they invent the Microman line from which the majority of the toys came from, they were on the teams that created the concept. Technically, Hasbro invented Transformers by creating GI Joe which was imported to Japan and had Henshin Cyborg character added to it, which took on a line of its own offshooting Microman which offshot its own sub-line of Diaclone which Hasbro then brought into the US alongside other Japanese transforming robot toys and gave a new brand as The Transformers (although they farmed out the character and story aspects to Marvel).

Yoke-san was at Botcon last year and seemed like a pretty cool guy and was always smiling.

Something they don't mention in that article is that Takara tried to market Diaclone in the US without Hasbro as a competitor for Tonka's Go-Bots line, but they didn't get very far (except with Chrono-robo, which were the wristwatch transforming robots, those were ubiquitous for like 2 years when I was in grade school).

Their comments about the post-TF The Movie figures looking like middle-aged men is hilarious and true. Funny how they blame Hasbro when it's really all Floro Dery's fault. :p (Hasbro did hire him though.)

Interesting how they started on TF:A and then Movie 1's design came in, that's unusual timing.



Speaking of Masterpieces, I really want MP-11.

I scored PRID Arcee yesterday at Walmart. I was not going to get this version originally since I already have the FE, but I am glad I decided to get her. She's a really cool figure, although a bit smaller in proportion to the FE design.MP-11, the coronation set? How much is that going for as an import?

I've been worrying about finding Arcee, I don't think I'll buy her due to being small with a giant gun, but it's been a while since I've found anything new to get so I will be tempted.



Did anyone find/purchase Cyberverse Shockwave? I found him once but didn't buy him due to being out of state. Haven't seen him since. Now the price is ridiculous and I'm curious if its worth the money.The single-carded figure or the one with the tank vehicle? I found the one with the tank vehicle back when it came out a few times at Target, along with the Ratchet set, and occasionally still see the Ratchet set show up at TRUs in the area, but haven't seen the Shockwave one in a while.



I'm sure you're NOT in the market, but I wanted throw fuel on the fire of the debate for whether MP-1 Prime has been eclipsed. Not even sure where I fall, but here's a link: http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=TAK11255&mode=retailIt's a great-looking piece but the smaller size combined with higher pricepoint keep me from saying definitively that it's going to eclipse MP-1, even if it does have a Spike figure and Roller. Design-wise, it definitely has a better sculpt though.



I finally found him again at TRU, so I bought it. I cannot transform him well into the tank. did you have the same problem?Glad you got him, but asking Tycho about transformation is barking up the wrong tree, he's afwaid to twansform his toys. :p



I picked up TF Prime Ratchet and Legion Class Evac over the weekend.

Ratchet may be one of the best Ratchets ever produced but that's not saying a whole lot. Bot mode is pretty good, however alt mode has too many unsightly seam lines though not nearly as bad as on Classics Ratchet. I think I'd give him a B/B- overall.
What about the paint, or rather lack of paint, issue? The US release's paint has kept me from hunting it down so far.

Chaddymac
04-17-2012, 03:03 PM
MP-11, the coronation set? How much is that going for as an import?

It's a great-looking piece but the smaller size combined with higher pricepoint keep me from saying definitively that it's going to eclipse MP-1, even if it does have a Spike figure and Roller. Design-wise, it definitely has a better sculpt though.

It's a higher price-point, but it is a superior figure. I just opened mine and love him. I also got MP-11. really cool changes to an already pretty cool figure. I think I prefer the 3rd party cloth cape, but the plastic cape is pretty phenomenally designed. It may grow on me. The one thing I worry about on the mold is the sliding tail fin pieces. Sliding them out into jet mode isn't that big of a deal, but it's tough to get them to slide the other way without putting pressure on a decidedly weak access point, where the wing meets the fin. There may be a better place to put pressure, but I haven't found it yet so it's just standing in (gorgeous) robot mode.

JediTricks
04-17-2012, 03:25 PM
I paid $55 for MP Prime back when it came out, the MP-10 set is 5 times as expensive and the figure is 1/4 smaller, without a light feature in the Matrix, no less. I'm not trying to badmouth the piece, just pointing out what mitigates it in my eyes. Glad you got one and dig it though. How does it scale to MP-11 there?

Chaddymac
04-17-2012, 03:32 PM
I paid $55 for MP Prime back when it came out, the MP-10 set is 5 times as expensive and the figure is 1/4 smaller, without a light feature in the Matrix, no less. I'm not trying to badmouth the piece, just pointing out what mitigates it in my eyes. Glad you got one and dig it though. How does it scale to MP-11 there?

A little taller, but not by much - maybe 1/4 - 1/2 an inch. Good scale, I think. And scales very well with MP Rodimus. I'm looking forward to seeing Sideswipe, because he should be about 3/4 the height of Prime. And this makes me very interested in a new MP Megatron. I have the original, which was fine when I thought we'd never get anything better, but if there's a chance they'd like to make one that works better as a toy and has better proportions, count me in.

Tycho
04-17-2012, 07:31 PM
I would like the movie megatrons specifically the truck from michael bay's last movie.

They could do the same with shockwave, and include an off-scale giant snake.

And of course black out since the third party company is already doing him.

Bonecrusher is a candidate it as well

Tycho
04-17-2012, 07:33 PM
Ok and galvatron cyclonus and scourge. Plus ultra magnus and springer.

JetsAndHeels
04-18-2012, 03:51 PM
It's a higher price-point, but it is a superior figure. I just opened mine and love him. I also got MP-11. really cool changes to an already pretty cool figure. I think I prefer the 3rd party cloth cape, but the plastic cape is pretty phenomenally designed. It may grow on me. The one thing I worry about on the mold is the sliding tail fin pieces. Sliding them out into jet mode isn't that big of a deal, but it's tough to get them to slide the other way without putting pressure on a decidedly weak access point, where the wing meets the fin. There may be a better place to put pressure, but I haven't found it yet so it's just standing in (gorgeous) robot mode.

You just sold me!! Did you get yours from BBTS?

Chaddymac
04-18-2012, 04:58 PM
yeah, BBTS.

figrin bran
04-18-2012, 11:43 PM
What about the paint, or rather lack of paint, issue? The US release's paint has kept me from hunting it down so far.

I thought it was the Takara version that had the lack of paint apps? Anyhow, I forgot to mention about Ratchet's extremely rubbery weapons and we're talking pencil eraser rubbery. I dearly hope that doesn't become the norm for future TFP toys.

Also, I picked up Tailpipe from Ross for $5.99.

Chaddymac
04-19-2012, 09:27 AM
I kind of like the rubbery weapons. They keep their shape pretty well. I like Wheeljack's swords, though, too. I dunno. For the most part, case assortment and distribution are the things I want to complain about with this line.

JediTricks
04-21-2012, 04:04 PM
I thought it was the Takara version that had the lack of paint apps? Anyhow, I forgot to mention about Ratchet's extremely rubbery weapons and we're talking pencil eraser rubbery. I dearly hope that doesn't become the norm for future TFP toys. Takara intentionally lacks paint apps, instead including stickers and a micron figure as a kit. But the stickers at least give him more of a deco.


Also, I picked up Tailpipe from Ross for $5.99.Nice get. I got him from HTS a while back full price, didn't regret it unlike Drag Strip. What do you think of the set? It's got a mini-bot weapon guy. I think a repaint with a new head would have been worth getting.


So, Chaddy let me check out his MP-10 Optimus set, and it's very nice, in a lot of ways it's better than MP-1, although it doesn't have quite as many features as that figure. If it were a hundred less, there'd be no question I'd buy it, but at $250 it's still too hard a pill for me to swallow since it feels somewhat similar to the THS-02 Hybrid set just at 3 times the size. I do wonder however why the US lines aren't seeing anything remotely as good as that MP-10 figure - when MP-1 came out you could see that it elevated the lines around it, but I'm not seeing much of anything like that from the line right now.

He also detailed his MP-11 Starscream (his was not available at the time) and I tracked down photos, it looks like a really good remold. The price makes me hope Hasbro will release that mold in the US, but if I didn't already have the original MP-3 Starscream I'd probably get the Takara MP-11 one right now.

JediTricks
04-30-2012, 02:33 PM
Botcon highlights:
SDCC exclusive Zombie Cliffjumper using FE body but not ugly paint like the Takara version. Will ship in a box shaped like his zombie torso, and a blister pack shaped like his zombie head, put them together to get his torso.

SDCC exclusive Fall of Cybertron Bruticus in game-accurate colors. This is devious, and I will be there to partake, as the mainline paint is soooooooo ugly.

MP-10 Optimus Prime is getting a US release with his trailer and Spike! It'll be a TRU exclusive, I don't think there was word on pricepoint. Paint will be themed after TFTM.

Fall of Cybertron is getting a Voyager-class Soundwave with data disc partners, Frenzy, Laserbeak, and Rumble (although wording is confusing, it could be that only Laserbeak comes with Soundwave and the other 2 are sold separately).

FOC also is getting dlx Starscream, Kickback (the Insecticon), and Sideswipe.

TF Fan Club is getting its own exclusive figure subscription service, including Dlx Laser Prime as Scourge.

Chaddymac
04-30-2012, 02:52 PM
Also Ravage. Laserbeak is coming with Soundwave. Rumble, Ravage, Frenzy and Ratbat will be released in 2 packs (don't know who goes with whom).

JediTricks
04-30-2012, 03:36 PM
Thanks for the correction, I actually meant Ravage when I wrote "Rumble".

The way they presented the data disc 2-packs as "Legends" was confusing in the articles I read, I doubt they'll be Legends/Legion pricepoint 2-packs or even single packs as these designs look too detailed and complex in design for that pricepoint. The Tformers article says it's Buzzsaw with Ravage, and Frenzy with Ratbat. TFW mentioned that the figure will be repainted as Soundblaster and will get a repainted disc character.

figrin bran
05-01-2012, 10:44 PM
I don't really need a one episode wonder like Terrorcon Zombie Cliffjumper in my TFP collection but since that seems to be the best way to land the FE CJ mold, I guess I'm down for one.

I bought TFP Knock Out, Bulkhead and Starscream (Voyagers) over the weekend. Originally was going to pass on SS but he looked pretty good in the TFP toy diorama that's in Universal's Transformers ride, which btw is soooooo awesome! The most egregiously unbearable elements of the Bayformer films are not in the ride. The 3-D works so much better than on Star Tours and the action never lets up. Without giving up too much away, when the Megatron projection punches your Evac vehicle, you really feel it!

Btw JT, there's no sign of the Evac toys but I'll let you know when I finally have one for you. They're going to be around $20 before discount as that's what their deluxes are priced at. The scary thing is I just saw TFP deluxes at TRU at $16.49 so twenty isn't that much of a markup.

Chaddymac
05-02-2012, 12:30 AM
I found TFP deluxe wave 3 remnants at a few Targets over the weekend...bought Knock Out, passed on Hot Shot, didn't see any Vehicons

Also saw wave 2 of the voyagers - Bulkhead and Starscream and bought both

And the funny thing about wave 2 of the Legions is that I've seen about 5 Evacs but haven't seen Breakdown or Mirage or the Soundwave repaint.

Oh and for good measure, wave 2 of the commanders - Dreadwing and Ironhide is starting to show up at retail.

The TF ride at Universal is really awesome, btw.

What do you think of Bulkhead and Starscream?

figrin bran
05-02-2012, 11:12 AM
What do you think of Bulkhead and Starscream?

Haven't opened up SS yet. Bulkhead is okay, the alt mode reminds me of Reveal the Shield Perceptor. Bot mode looks great except for the exposed sides which may not be that big of a deal but Voyager TFA Bulkhead (whom I had been using as a placeholder in my TFP display) manages to not have that problem.

Overall, I would recommend

El Chuxter
05-02-2012, 11:34 AM
They appear to be making up for the relative lack of War for Cybertron figures with a plethora of Fall of Cybertron figures. Wonder if they'll all get released or too many Primes will ship and clog shelves?

Bruticus is a gestalt made of Deluxe figures. Oy vey.

Chaddymac
05-02-2012, 02:59 PM
I still like him... I'll definitely be buying the SDCC giftset.

El Chuxter
05-02-2012, 03:05 PM
I'm not saying I don't like him.

I'm saying he'll be at least $60, based on current prices. And he's not the only figure out there.

JediTricks
05-02-2012, 03:20 PM
Found Legion Breakdown at Target, bought him as my "last chance for Legion to shine" and he isn't that great. Decent vehicle mode, weak bot mode that's hampered by transformation issues and lack of sculpt and articulation.



I don't really need a one episode wonder like Terrorcon Zombie Cliffjumper in my TFP collection but since that seems to be the best way to land the FE CJ mold, I guess I'm down for one. You do realize that Cliffjumper himself is a one-episode wonder, right? :p


I bought TFP Knock Out, Bulkhead and Starscream (Voyagers) over the weekend. Originally was going to pass on SS but he looked pretty good in the TFP toy diorama that's in Universal's Transformers ride, which btw is soooooo awesome! The most egregiously unbearable elements of the Bayformer films are not in the ride. The 3-D works so much better than on Star Tours and the action never lets up. Without giving up too much away, when the Megatron projection punches your Evac vehicle, you really feel it! Glad to hear the ride is good.

I look forward to hearing your notes on those figures.


Btw JT, there's no sign of the Evac toys but I'll let you know when I finally have one for you. They're going to be around $20 before discount as that's what their deluxes are priced at. The scary thing is I just saw TFP deluxes at TRU at $16.49 so twenty isn't that much of a markup.
Thanks for letting me know, I very much appreciate it.

Which TRU had deluxes that high? That's insane!



I'm not saying I don't like him.

I'm saying he'll be at least $60, based on current prices. And he's not the only figure out there.Yeah, he will be. And he'll still be compromised, he should cost MORE because Onslaught should have been a frickin' Voyager-class figure, and there shouldn't have been so many compromises in Blast Off and Vortex.

JetsAndHeels
05-02-2012, 08:53 PM
Reading some of yall's finds is making me jealous.

I haven't found anything new in the last little while. I am currently trying to find the new legion figures (Evac, Breakdown, and Mirage) plus the new voyagers (that Figrin got) and of course the new deluxes like Knock Out and Vehicon.

Speaking of Vehicon, I did pick up another legion figure of him. That makes 3 I have now. My goal is to have 5.

JediTricks
05-03-2012, 04:52 PM
Spotted more remnants of the TFPrime Cyb Legion Evac wave at Target, these seem to be hitting hard, that's your best bet right now J&H.

Here's my reviews on Legion Breakdown and Cyb Commander Bulkhead...


Legion Breakdown - I figured I'd give Legion one last chance, it was new and I haven't found figures in a while.

Alt Mode: Alright, but not outstanding. Size is a hair taller than other Legion vehicles I have but a hair shorter nose-to-tailpipe so it evens out. Ground clearance is measurable only in microns and not just from one part but nearly the whole thing. Almost no paint in vehicle mode, just silver on the grille and bumper (a little sloppy) and black for the windows and spare tire. Front half of the vehicle has a nice sculpt, back half loses focus a bit so that the notes are there but they're not crisp enough to sell themselves; rear end has a big spare tire and then a look at the underside of robo-feet. Seams aren't too bad and no gaps except a few small ones at the top and the robot feet. Three 3mm ports in alt mode, although only 2 can be used at one time: center of spare tire, 2 holes over the drivers and passengers part of the cabin, very close together. Quite solid, if you forget where to start the transformation you'll have a hard time finding anything to move. The figure's accessory plugs into any hole, is a clear purple enlarged version of the alt mode blaster seen in his first episode, it's nearly as long as the truck so it's about double-scale.

Transformation: Instructions printed sideways and small, not the best angles chosen for the concept. Basically, lower rear half drops down to become legs, front half unfolds up and around to become shoulders and arms, upper rear half folds down to become torso. Part of the time it feels clever, the other part it feels lazy, objectively it's probably closer to clever but the shoulders and torso using only friction to stay in place makes it feel less than it is. Both to and from requires a specific order to things. I suspect this transformation could be too much for a younger consumer, like under 8, but nothing feels like it's going to break.

Bot Mode: Maybe 40% wider than other Legion figures, but around 15% shorter than them too, so he's way underscaled to Cyb Cmdr Bulkhead unfortunately. Robot mode looks ok if not spectacular right up until you get to the shoulders, then it's a lesson in too much compromise since the shoulders stick way out and the arms are almost to the floor, and neither really look like anything -- the shoulders are silver with wheels in the back and the broadest of strokes for detail, the arms are hollowed out kibble with fists 3/4s of the way up, and the detail styling between the upper and lower arms don't match for crap. Actually, the upper legs and tiny waist really aren't character-accurate either and keep him from being the more brutish character he should be. Deco is blue plastic, silver paint at the waist, a small purple Decepticon faction logo at the chest, black thighs, silver head crest, orange face, and yellow eyes. The face paint is ok, but missing silver around the sides; the face sculpt is only so-so even for a Legion figure. The hands are standard 3mm C-fists, somewhat deep for a Legion figure, with extra kibble jutting out ahead of them. Breakdown has the three 3mm ports from alt mode (tire is on his back, roof holes are outside each forearm just ahead of the fist), plus 2 more at the top of each shoulder, and each hand is one obviously. He's not as fragile as other Legion figures I own, though.

Articulation: Shoulders are limited-range ball-joints that can shrug up/down maybe a total of 20 degrees and can swing back thanks to transformation (it looks better, but causes balance issues); sideways-hinged elbows from transformation; and ball-hinged hips. He has transformation-hinged knees but they only go in the wrong direction. Watch for chest and shoulder-panel detransformations during posing as they're only friction-held in bot mode.

Accessory: Character-specific, nice sculpt with a lot of details, fairly accurate, has a 3mm peg for the grip and another at the back end so he can hold it like a sword or just beat people down with his gun. The middle of the gun has a 3mm port just behind the grip from side to side. Purple color is right between the red and blue zones, fairly muted and not too see-through. Isn't too long for bot mode, although his apish arms need to be posed as high as possible to keep it from hitting the ground when holding it down.

Overall: D for the overall brand, C plus if gauged by other Legion. This is a figure with too many compromises, which is the norm for Legion, but I think it's the last time I bother giving Legion a chance. Vehicle mode looks alright but not outstanding and can't roll at all. Transformation is ok but ends with friction stops. Robot mode is let down by giant arms, weak articulation, and so-so sculpting. The best thing about this figure is its accessory. But nothing about this purchase has convinced me that Legion is a worthwhile expression for the brand, and it's not the figure's fault, but the very design philosophy behind the entire expression which ultimately makes this guy a mild let-down.


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Cyberverse Commanders Bulkhead

After getting shrimpo disappointo the other day (see prev review), I realized I better make up my mind about what I wanted to do about Bulkhead. I really like the way the First Edition looks, but I don't like the character enough to pour that much fundage into getting one. I liked the look of the Cyb Cmdr, but saw that its back was horribly hollow. Then the images of the RID Voyager Bulkhead came out, and yucko! Unpainted windows, horrible chest design, gigantic ugly weapon, and smaller than the FE. After some consideration, I went with the Cyb Cmdr yesterday.

Alt Mode: Decent size, a good size for a basic, about on-par with the mass of DOTM Cyb Cmdrs, taller and wider but a little shorter. Sculpt looks really good except below the vehicle where bot kibble pokes out the front and rear almost to the ground. The sides are a little seam-y, and the rear wheel wells aren't well-defined, but otherwise good detail. Deco is mostly good, silver and off-black for the grille and bumper and headlights; off-black for the windshield and front windows, although the rear side windows are painted in pine green like the areas around the windows, so those rear side windows are essentially unpainted; red for the taillights; most of the truck is cast in green plastic except for lower half of the doors which is painted in a non-matching olive green, and just above that on the back doors is unpainted dark gray plastic; and oddly the roof and hood have clear-blue plastic insert panels in their details, but it looks alright. The deco looks alright, but the further back it goes the worse it gets. Vehicle mode sports 3 of the 3mm ports, one dead center on the roof and one on either rear fender; the figure's accessory - a mix between the flail ball and the blaster barrel - can be plugged onto the roof so it acts as a blaster mounted on the windshield.

Transformation: Pretty satisfying, so long as you remember that the hood and waist are on a single strut that have to move together. The legs fold out, feet rotate up, waist drops down to pull the hood up which pegs into the chest, wheels fold down while arms fold out, rear half splits. It's got a good amount going on for a Cyb Cmdr, not the best and not the worst, but good without being fiddly - you feel like something has happened. The instructions make the transformation frustrating in one way, they don't mention the hood has to be unpegged from the chest and the strut the waist is on has enough flex to make it that much more confusing. A nice thing about going back to alt mode is that the forearms lock into the biceps, and then the rear wheels lock onto the forearms.

Bot Mode: Height is slightly taller than Cyb Cmdr DOTM Optimus Prime and considerably wider, but Cmdr TFP Starscream is taller than Bulkhead. What you gain in height and width though you lose in the back as the figure is indeed tragically hollow for the entirety of the back of the torso - for me, this is not a deal-breaker as the figure looks good from the front and sides, but the sculpted details inside the torso don't hide such a huge empty cavity either; it's odd, the shoulders have a pair of big kibble shoulderpads not present on the character design, those shoulderpads have their own kibble panels folded up on them, and one has to wonder why the designers didn't simply use any of that stuff to cover the figure's back. The underside of each forearm is a tad gappy as well. Speaking of character accuracy, while this Bulkhead has a big torso, it's not as big and round as the show character, and his legs aren't as short in comparison to the torso either; the figure looks really good, more of a believable bot in fact and yet still a brute, but as intended the figure does stray quite a bit from the show. There are some steps to alleviating that however, folding the wheels back one click, folding the shoulderpads down a click, and folding the thighs back with the knees folded forward changes the proportions considerably closer towards the show layout - you can also hinge the shoulder struts up a click if the arms are too gorilla-like that way. I'll upload 3 quick shots to explain, as well as compare to Cyb Legion Breakdown:
Full height:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/265/imag0070sq.jpg/
Redistributed down:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/713/imag0071tb.jpg/
Same with shoulders up:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/402/imag0072vl.jpg/
Not great, but if you gotta have Bulkhead shaped like the show, it's something you could do. I actually prefer the figure like picture 2 except with the legs straight, the shoulder armor looks more like the show and the wheels are closer to their proper height without sticking out the back too far.

Anyway, deco is good, silver face with blue eyes on a green head hits the mark, and the blue panels on the chest break up the area to feel more like the show even though the sculpt really doesn't have much in common. An off-black Autobot faction symbol is tampo'ed onto the side of either forearm. The translucent parts are the "back" (mainly the back of the collar area; the stops for the wheels over the shoulders; and the chest panels inside and outside the hood - all cast in light blue translucent plastic that does an ok job catching light but doesn't really look exciting when lit with natural light because it's just a bland light blue color, not electric blue or purple or red or anything good. The arms under the shoulders are well-sculpted and under the shoulder armor actually have the show's shape; the feet are a decent sculpt with a big fake wheel inside that looks really nice (oddly, this is the opposite of the RID figure which has a real wheel inside and a faux wheel outside); the legs are alright but the faux kneecaps are way too low (they're accurate to the character, but the length of the rest of the legs aren't). The figure overall has a lot of personality in his sculpt and deco, he hits the right notes.

Cmdr Bulkhead towers over Legion Breakdown, nearly twice as tall. They're almost the same width at the shoulders, but that's more due to Breakdown's crummy design since the rest of him doesn't scale to that. Vehicle modes are similarly out of scale.

Articulation: Pretty good, especially for a brute type. Head swivels maybe 30 degrees either way; shoulders are ball joints that are restricted by kibble but since all the kibble is articulated you can easily move it out of the way to increase range of motion; shoulders are on struts that can hinge up to shrug, there's even a stop to keep them at 45 degrees up; elbows and hips are unrestricted ball joints; knees are hinged; and due to transformation the toes can point down. The feet are sculpted for a slightly spread-leg pose rather than dead flat which is nice. The right shoulder ball joint on mine pops out occasionally although cleaning the ball joint did lessen that.

Accessory: Bulk comes with a translucent light blue version of his flail-hand that's sculpted at the front to also be his blaster-barrel-hand. The accessory is sculpted like the show version of his forearm, it plugs into the outer side of either wrist to slip over the top of the fist but not around it - the fist is still totally visible from the top, but the outside and front the accessory covers around that, and looks alright. The accessory also has a 3mm peg at the rear to be held like a hammer, and one on either side of the flail end itself (these pegs are a little thinner than other 3mm pegs) as well as a 3mm hole at the emitter end and 2 more holes on the opposite sides of the flail. It's cast in the same clear plastic as Bulk's body, but not being surrounded by green plastic helps it look more exciting and alive than the rest. Bulkhead loses the roof 3mm hole, keeps the 2 on the sides of the rear fenders, and gains 2 more holes on the side of each forearm - one mid forearm and the other at the wrist; he's also got 3mm C-fists; and his back sports a 3mm peg which the accessory can peg onto to help fill out the hollowness of the back a little (even though it's much too narrow to fill all that gap, it actually does help a bit).

Overall: B minus. That is a generous score for a smaller figure with a $8-$10 pricetag sporting a big flaw in the form of a wide open back, but the figure gains a lot on personality, sculpting, transformation, and his accessory and articulation ain't too bad neither. The back is a problem that has no real solution so not all collectors will be able to accept this, but I guess I don't look at figures that much from the angle because I find it's still a very fun figure even knowing its limitations; more importantly, it seems like this Bulkhead figure's issues aren't as much a drag on the figure as the RID Voyager one's look to be. I suspect if the FE had been available, I wouldn't have bothered buying this Cyb version at all, but alas and alack... it seems to me the only reason to get RID Voyager Bulkhead is so that when RID Voyager Breakdown comes out they can party.


PS - Problem solved!

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/834/imag0073xm.jpg/

:p Not actually, it's super loose on that peg, but c'mon, it looks pretty badass and is exactly and the right size and peg clamp location to cover that gap, perfect. I am thinking this may have to be a permanent thing, it fixes Bulkhead's back and it gives him a wicked jetpack, while sad-sack DOTM Optimus never looked good using it, what's not to love?

JediTricks
05-05-2012, 01:20 AM
First, I have a quandry and could use more opinions. I found Legion Evac today and bought, but when I got him home, 2 metal pins were rusty (naturally the ones not showing in package) and one of them is an axle pin which makes that wheel immobile and ugly at the hub. Should I just keep it, keep it and wait to find another, or return it now?

Anyway, Legion Evac...

Alt Mode: Nice design, very good lines, good color layout even if there's almost no paint. Big black windshield looks quite cool, but leaving the side windshields unpainted is not a good call; a pair of orange rectangles flank the spilers, and the jet nozzle towards the back is silver. The grille of the vehicle has a number of gun barrels painted dark silver, just above that on the nose off-center is a dark red Autobot faction logo. Has a pair of 3mm holes on either side. Vehicle is very wide and has a long wheelbase since wheels are at the outer corners. Ground clearance is minimal. Weapon doesn't look good pegged to the either side, no top hole for once despite space on the rear. The side's further-back peghole at least allows the weapon to clear the wheels though.

Transformation: Very basic stuff - pull out arms, fold down hood, unfold back half of vehicle - only clever bit is how the rear skidplates lock into the spoilers when they become knees together. Hood-as-chest doesn't lock at all.

Bot Mode: Decent-looking for a legion, but still small and spindly and suffering from not enough transformation. Evac is a movie-based design and this figure tries to get there, but loses points for having simpler legs, a tiny head, kibble above and behind the arms, and a narrower chest - the chest actually looks good, just not accurate. There's nothing awful about the design, the kibble over the shoulders isn't outrageous for a movie-style TF, the stuff behind the arms is barely noticeable, and the rest of the kibble layout seems to jive with the ride character, but overall it's not terribly accurate to the character. The figure's proportions are very classic for TF from arm length to boot length and torso size, there's no craziness. Matte gray paint coats the lower torso and pelvis, as well as the actual face inside the "helmet", and the face gets tiny blue painted eyes; added to the colors is red on the biceps. Fine details are here and there, no blank or generic spots even inside cavities, it's not as detailed as a movie-style figure should be, and the lip service paid to the numerous gunbarrels is laughable here, but there isn't a feeling of laziness to it, just again not as much going on as the character actually has, and there's even a nice use of cut-aways for the grille-as-chest. Evac sports the same 3mm holes from alt mode, although a pair ends up outside the boots while the other is at the side of the bicep; no new pegholes are revealed in bot mode, aside from the very small C-fists. The tiny head holds it back from having any personality, and it's odd, they clearly could have made a bigger head without any trouble, there's enough room between the shoulder struts' articulation to clear a wider head. The figure doesn't feel brittle or fragile like other movie-based Legion designs at least.

Articulation: Standard Legion poverty - ball-jointed hips and shoulders, hinged knees, swivel-front/back shoulder-struts. The shoulder struts give more expressive range to the upper body. The knees are a slightly unusual design, with the hinge low and almost entirely behind the boot/leg - on a deluxe or larger, this might not be forgivable, but at Legion scale it's easy to overlook. There's a little restriction to the ball-joints, but nothing too bad. The joints are all tight, you'll find the chest de-transforming while trying to move the stiff shoulder joints. The feet are sculpted to a slight spread-leg pose which is nice - flat footed Legion figures don't work well due to their light weight.

Accessory: Bright pink translucent twin barrel flat wide blaster as long as Evac's arm. The grip is a straight 3mm peg, the back sports another 3mm peg to be beat people over the head with, each barrel is a 3mm peg, and just ahead of the grip is a 3mm hole clear through. Has a decent amount of detail and it's not entirely symmetrical, but it's still not particularly great looking (hideous color and large size hold it way back). Grip peg barely is deep enough for the hands, and the figure doesn't look better for holding it, it's better pegged to the side of an arm.

Overall: C minus for the main line, A minus for Legion. I like this figure, the first Legion figure I can say that about. I still think the format is no friend to the brand in general, but this figure is alright on its own - it's a nice-looking vehicle, transformation gets the job done turning a wide, squat car into a classic TF robot. There isn't much holding the figure back aside from Legion-standard issues, there's a few missed paint opportunities, the accessory ain't great; but largely this is a pretty decent figure, and even has good personality for a guy we haven't really met yet.

figrin bran
05-09-2012, 12:19 AM
JT, on the real Evac ride vehicle, those side windshields aren't painted at all and so in this instance, it's accurate ;) I'm pretty sure that's done to restrict your vision so that you don't see all the hydraulics and elevator lifts and all that.

Alright, TFP deluxe Knock Out, I don't recommend except for TFP completionists, which I still maintain I'm trying not to be. He is off model in both car and robot mode...rims should be yellow or golden, for instance. Paint apps aren't great on him and the maroon parts have almost a matte like texture...Knock Out himself would be so appalled!


There are two gaping holes above the rear wheels for attachment of the spear he comes with, a concept that would have been better served leaving on the drawing board as it just looks too ridiculous with the spear running along the length of the car or else if you choose not to put the spear in, you have the two gaping holes on either side. And then the spear itself is poorly designed..while it can be separated into two sections, the pin that holds them together is so small that it falls apart with great ease.

I'm not even sure if I transformed him correctly thanks to those nebulous and often misleading instructions.

With the SW line, there has often been that one figure in a wave where Hasbro has lowballed us with inferior paint apps or sculpt or articulation. Well, unfortunately, Knock Out is the equivalent of that for wave 3 of the Transformer Prime deluxes.

JediTricks
05-14-2012, 02:03 PM
JT, on the real Evac ride vehicle, those side windshields aren't painted at all and so in this instance, it's accurate ;) I'm pretty sure that's done to restrict your vision so that you don't see all the hydraulics and elevator lifts and all that. Ah, I see. I thought they were real windows because the prototype for the Deluxe has them as windows.


Alright, TFP deluxe Knock Out, I don't recommend except for TFP completionists, which I still maintain I'm trying not to be. He is off model in both car and robot mode...rims should be yellow or golden, for instance. Paint apps aren't great on him and the maroon parts have almost a matte like texture...Knock Out himself would be so appalled!


There are two gaping holes above the rear wheels for attachment of the spear he comes with, a concept that would have been better served leaving on the drawing board as it just looks too ridiculous with the spear running along the length of the car or else if you choose not to put the spear in, you have the two gaping holes on either side. And then the spear itself is poorly designed..while it can be separated into two sections, the pin that holds them together is so small that it falls apart with great ease.

I'm not even sure if I transformed him correctly thanks to those nebulous and often misleading instructions.

With the SW line, there has often been that one figure in a wave where Hasbro has lowballed us with inferior paint apps or sculpt or articulation. Well, unfortunately, Knock Out is the equivalent of that for wave 3 of the Transformer Prime deluxes.Ouch, sounds bad. Thanks for the warning. That plus the awful photos out there of the sculpt and paint have me passing on this figure. I so badly need that Vehicon though.

JediTricks
05-17-2012, 08:28 PM
More TFP reviews...

Dlx Ratchet - I like this character on the show mainly due to his voice actor, Jeffery Combs. The legion looked meh, so I held out and finally got the dlx when I saw it.

Alt Mode: Vehicle mode looks good, although nonsense since it's got this wedge in the back making it a support vehicle rather than an ambulance. Lack of color on white plastic hurts bad. Sculpting is decent, plenty of little details, although seams are a bit heavy - Ratchet's just cursed I guess. The robot shoulders bulge out the top and sides a little, it's an oddity, but it mainly gets away with that by simply not admitting to it, just sculpting around like it's not happening. Deco is pretty sparse, the front half gets all the color and that color is red, and apparently the message is "screw you if you don't like red" (silver is slapped onto the front grille and bumpers almost as an afterthought, and there's some pointless gray parts in the rear half). The middle gets white paint over translucent, it doesn't match for crap to the plastic. The windows are a nice light believable trans blue, but the back seat side windows are unpainted (this isn't uncommon on real ambulances, but is not show-model-accurate) and there's a thick red border around that non-window highlighting it's supposed to be SOMETHING. There's also 2 lines of red trim on the sides, the upper one clearly just stops without reason - because this is the abandoned lifeline logo that's missing and leaving the rear halves' sides so barren; the rear halves also are missing their thick red borders at the top and back edges. Other missing deco that just feels painfully absent is detail on the siren lights (it gets 2 red panels of nothingness), grille lights, silver awning things over the windshield, silver for the side mirrors, and TAIL LIGHTS - TAIL LIGHTS ARE RED AND THEY'RE STILL MISSING EVEN THOUGH RED IS THIS GUY'S ONLY COLOR!!!Alt mode sports 4 standard pegholes, a pair on the roof just behind midpoint, and a pair in the front bumper. The ultra-rubbery blades can be plugged into either, but are also designed to be hidden fully away by beinge pegged into small square tabs on the underside of the doors, it leaves the blade tips a few millimeters above the ground, but the robot legs at the front are the same distance and it's enough to clear fine. The truck rolls fine, feels solid although the seams never want to line up quite as nicely as they should.

Transformation: is interesting, it feels somewhat movie-derived, lots of shell stuff moving into places that don't feel too much like kibble, the arms are almost clever, and the head pops up when the backpack is dropped down. The alt mode midsection really doesn't like moving though, it's locked by angled tabs and then has a section forced under the rear half, and there's clearance issues on the front half at the same time, it's a bit much the first time. The instructions aren't really clear on the shell parts becoming the lower legs' rear half, there are 2 tabs and the lower one locks into a cut-out on the boot but it's quite easy to miss or mistake another cut-out or tab.

Robot Mode: Well, this is clearly Ratchet in sculpt, no doubt there. There are some liberties, like the lack of wheel-feet (that's fine, the wheels are on the insides of the feet, close enough) and the shoulderpads are smaller than the show (the show has kibble on his shoulderpads that seems to be from a wholly different alt mode), and the doors on the chest are clear facades, but the only one that bugs me is that they really copped out on his backpack by having it just a facade plate at the back of a central core. Aside from the backpack, viewing the forearms from the back shows how very hollow and shell-part they really are, so don't look that way; the back of the lower legs are hollow because they're kibble but it's not a visual problem since there's still a whole leg in there. The figure is rock solid in bot mode aside from the backpack facade which easily dislocates a bit. The head is pretty good, the panel lines and mouth sculpt are a little broad so his frown looks like he's bearing his teeth a little which isn't what they were going for but it gets a pass, the only real boo-boo in sculpt is the chin which juts out past the sides when it shouldn't. The pupils are sculpted into the eyes. No sculpted autobot logos tho'. There are little jet nozzles sculpted into the feet, what's that about? All the sculpting is soft, but that seems to be the case for all these mainline TFP figures; and like other TFP deluxes, he's small for the general pricepoint.

Robot mode deco is enough of a thing that it gets its own paragraph. Here's what works without flaw: the silver for the stomach panel and face, the blue light-piped eyes which are absolutely perfect, ... and I'll say the black plastic hands, it's close enough. But everything else is either incomplete, wrong, or missing. The head sports red for the crest and chin, but lacks the ears and the inner part of the crest. Shoulderpads and torso are white with just the fronts painted red instead of being all-white, and there's just no excuse for this as none of these areas would show in vehicle mode - this means the backpack is all white instead of red as well. Pelvis is white instead of gray, but at least has the red detail at the top. There's missing paint on the feet, and the upper legs lack the paint for the sculpted lights. Even the facade doors at the chest have painted blue windows but are missing the thinner red line. And the forearms... the forearms should sport the lifeline on the side and red on top, instead they feature nothing but a vast blank white expanse. Oh, and of course no Autobot logo anywhere - apparently faction logos are out again. Overall, the deco is like the barest excuse for passable, there's just enough red to make him recognizable from the front, but he still looks painfully cheap. The worst part is that the biggest missing paint elements are all RED - this figure's chief paint color, so it's just that someone didn't feel the budget could afford cutting those shapes into the copper paint masks, they were hitting it with that paint either way!

Articulation: Head is on a restricted ball-joint that acts as a swivel about 30 degrees (moving it up and down about 10 degrees is possible, but the "down" part often dislodges the spring panel neck which locks out movement until you sort it back into place); shoulders are on ball-joints that can raise out through cutouts in the shoulderpads; biceps swivel and have a hinge; elbow hinges; wrists can pivot down from transformation; waist swivels about 45 degrees; hips are ball-joints, upper thighs swivels; each knee is 2 hinge joints but only the upper one has range, the lower one is more anatomically-accurate but almost no range of motion; and the toes and heels can be hinged down from transformation. The feet are nice and big, the torso has good bulk, so there's a decent balance point to be had - provided you don't mind the feet are permanently sculpted to a spread-leg angled pose which makes 1-footers impossible, although even the lightest touch of the other foot makes a great balance so walking and running poses are easy as pie. Using the lower knee hinge actively blocks the upper knee hinge, but without that in the way the upper knee can move about 80 degrees.

Accessories: A mirror-twin pair of silver rubbery blades with offset pegs, they're mirror-twins to accommodate a close fit over the fists. In bot mode, they don't have a nice place to store - the back pegs are covered by the backpack facade - but they can be hand-held (obviously), plugged into the shins to act as nasty leg weapons that stick out about 30 degrees and since he already has knee spikes, it seems the good doctor has plans to ruin the midsection of many a Decepticon. The weapons are sculpted accurately to the ones that spawn from his forearms, to replicate that here you just fold the hands down and plug the corresponding blade over that so they sit flush at the end of the wrist, it looks pretty good from the top and outside, from the inside you can still see the hand but it's not a bad thing since it still looks like a natural way to hold them. The blades can be easily wedged into the backpack area and stick out as the makeshift antennae the figure missed out on, but that's not terribly stable; I prefer wedging them into the back of the forearms, there's a catch so it's a little more stable, it fills the ugly gap from the rear, and you get elbow blades. Unfortunately, the alt-mode storage tabs aren't usable here as they stop right on the lower leg.

Overall: B-minus but with reservations - I want to give this Ratchet figure more credit, it does have a lot of personality in bot mode, but the lack of paint in so many areas just makes no sense when you realize they were using that color either way. Making it so the front of the bot gets all the color makes him Ratchet from that one angle and Frosty the Snowman from the sides and rear. The sculpting compromises are all fairly in range, although I continue to lament the loss of the backpack design. It just seems like the sculpt, accessories, and articulation are all let down by a budget-slashing of the deco.


Legion Arcee - I liked the idea of a Legion that scaled to the Deluxes I owned, so I bought Arcee.

Vehicle Mode: Scales great with Wheeljack and Hot Shot (I'll review him next), ok with Ratchet, a bit big for SDCC Dlx Optimus. Sculpt is pretty good, only places I'd complain are the hinges for the sides, the hinges are thick and the sides stick out a bit, it's minor and really just a Legion scaling issue to simple mechanics; otherwise, the notes all seem to be there, although both front and rear wheels are single-side forks which is a little odd-looking on its own and I'm pretty sure not design-accurate to the character, though hardly a dealbreaker or even an impossibility to see on the streets. Oh, and she has no actual handlebars or grips, only side mirrors, it took me a long time to notice that. Mechanically, there are some Legion issues at play, most notably the rear fork only stays below the frame-line through friction from the opposing frame-half's peg, this peg is very shallow and easy to knock out of place leaving the fork unable to bear the weight of the bike on its own (though it doesn't become floppy, at least); the other issues are even more minor and basically just that the lower portions of the frame don't have alignment pegs so they can get a tiny bit out of true which also causes the front wheel to go out of true, but it's very small. The bike itself doesn't come apart too badly considering how little is actually pegged into anything else; the wheels don't wobble too badly for monofork design on a little figure like this. Not much bot kibble to speak of. Colors are very dark blue, black plastic, and blueish silver accents, looks nice although not quite as flashy as I'd like for a superbike. The robot toes are a permanent stand just ahead of the rear wheel, you can drop the rear wheel down like another millimeter to get free clearance but it's better to just accept the bike standing on its own. Alt mode has 4 3mm pegholes - one on either side of the faring about where the rider's knees would be, and a pair just behind the seat that are so close together that they're connected at the middle.

Transformation: Interesting stuff, would have been satisfying for a bike at Deluxe scale with a few more steps added to bear out the pricepoint. Fold out the side faring and then the whole faring back to make the backpack, fold out the seat as arms, unfold the lower frame to make legs while rotating the wheels around to fit inside the legs. The way the front wheel folds around is clever in real life and confusing in instructions, basically it doesn't move while the lower leg hinges around that. Order isn't terribly important going to bot, but transformation back to vehicle really should start with the arms and backpack to help align the legs. The only thing to watch for is the backpack's hinge, it likes to float out of position which makes it easy to miss slipping into the right place in bike mode - the key there is to remember that the gastank ends up flush, that hinge doesn't sit up high. If you think about it too much, the generic motorcycle transformation aspect becomes pretty blatant, but it feels fresher and more satisfying in the moment, and when you've got it down it's fairly fluid as well.

Bot Mode: This is the show's Arcee, there may be thicker boots, wider shoulders, and more kibble (although her kibble backpack/wings can be easily cast off entirely which makes her that much more show-accurate) but her lines are quite recognizable, and even the lines that aren't there around the waist are sculpted into the hips/thighs. While the vehicle mode scales well to deluxes, the show cheats so incredibly badly in bot mode (she has to mass-shift like 300% to get from bike to bot) that this robot ends up quite under-scaled to the deluxe robots, the only one coming close is dlx SDCC Optimus; you can tell how badly the show cheats because the character model's motorcycle wheels don't scale up with the rest, so the robot has tiny wheels in her feet and in her back. She's a bit shorter than Legion Evac, but a bit taller than Breakdown. Arcee's sculpt is quite good, her head and torso are a bit underscaled to her limbs but it gets a pass; the legs keep most of the knee-spikes (the inner quarter of the right knee being cut out), the smaller thighs and upper arms, the wheels inside the feet, the small waist, even the lines around her upper body; I like how the wider pelvis to small waist works here, they sculpted the lines into the ball-jointed thighs, unfortunately it's left unpainted. One area they cheated at was the wings, she has tiny wings on the show and here they're quite big since they're the entire side-farings of the bike and connected to a big backpack which is just the front faring, windshield, and headlight - I sort of give this a pass because it's clear they could have left more of it on the arms or the legs but chose to keep show-accuracy, also it does a fair job offsetting the wheels in the feet which thanks to real-world physics cannot be as small as the show suggests, the wings actually look fairly decent on their own as wings and are even hinged, and of course the whole backpack can be tossed aside. One of the reasons I chose Legion Arcee over either deluxe is that I like the show's use of the wheel sticking out her back, and both dlx toys use that cheaty folding the wheel flat against the back instead, while this one leaves both wheels in the feet and the backpack leaves a vertical slit in the back reminiscent of the show-model's wheel-in-the-back - not probably something they did on purpose, but it's what I was looking for and achieved for $5. Bot mode doesn't really have much to go wrong, the backpack, shoulder struts and wheels can get a little dislodged but nothing can get terribly out of place or fall off. The shoulders have the rivet details seen on the character which is a good touch, the shoulders end up a tiny bit low on the figure because they're spaced away from the torso and the neck is a little high, but it's not bad at all to look at. A nice touch is the use of the rear faring (the panel behind the seat, I dunno what it's actually called on these bikes but it's generally not a second seat, nor a fender, it holds the tail light and license plate usually) past the hands, they're sculpted to be her forearm blades which is a nice touch since the outer arm took liberties to look better in bike mode, each blade is in line with the side of her arm instead of the bottom and quite a bit ahead of the hand but they're blades so why the hell not have them out there doing some work instead of entirely underslung? Bot mode has a 3mm peghole on either wing, and each hand is a 3mm C-fist, all 4 holes end up having full passthrough so she can undersling weapons as well as hold them upright.

Deco in bot mode is pretty good, they stuck with the colors from the show but left out the pink, to which I can only say THANK GOD! I hate the pink they use on the show, it A) doesn't work with any of her other colors and is only there as a nod to G1; and B) isn't even consistent from ep to ep. So mostly blue plastic with some black accents like the biceps, a strip down the front of her torso gets more blueish silver even at the roboobs (which is black on the show with a clear [or pink] panel over the cybercleavage, that panel gets the pass for the incorrect paint here), her face and crest gets that too and it stays within the lines, her eyes are both a vivid light blue that highlights the sculpted pupils, and then they painted a red Autobot logo on the lower half of her right roboob... so she's one of those gals. Overall, it's a good deco, very reminiscent, well-balanced, restrained; I do still think the blue they chose is too dark though.

Articulation: They chose the right joints for a Legion - ball-jointed shoulders and hips, hinge knees; also some kibble hinges for the wings and backpack. Moving the arms often shrugs down the shoulder strut hinges, and the wheels in the feet often can get moved a bit out of alignment. But the range of motion on the shoulders and hips is excellent, and the knees even with the big wheels in the back bend to 90-degrees. I would have liked a higher shrug to the shoulder struts, but I am glad they didn't try to shoehorn in elbow joints. She's such a light figure that it'll be difficult to find extreme poses she can hold without even a light breeze knocking her down, but a little practice can find a few. The left foot has a hinge on the instep which can either hinder or help extreme poses depending on what you're looking for. Her shoulders let her arms go in front of her so the fists just barely touch and her blades cross. I would have liked to have seen a rotating head though, but probably too risky as a choking hazard (actually a "my kid ate it and didn't choke on it, passed the head and now has a headless toy since I'm not going through their poop for Arcee's head!" hazard).

Accessory: So this is the generic Legion Bumblebee blaster, I detailed it for Evac's review but the short version is that it's a pistol with a wide flat body and a barrel on either outer side of that, some asymmetrical tech detailing, a 3mm peg as the grip, a 3mm hole ahead of the grip, and a 3mm peg out the back, it's cast in hot pink translucent plastic. Aside from being pink, it's really not Arcee's style whatsoever, so I gave it to Evac to give him a matching pair on either side of vehicle mode. The packaging pose causes the grip to be bent in her hand and the barrels to be bent in. It looks barely passable on the side of the bike, incredibly stupid on the back of the bike, fairly pointless on the wings, ok under the hands and problematic over the hands because not only is it too big for her in general but it hits a small cuff that leads up over the forearm (hence the bending of the grip in packaging). Other Cyberverse weapons that I have - she can hold Bulkhead's flail-gun, Starscream's sword works in her hand better than his but it's nearly as tall as she is (looks alright underslung as a gunsword tho'), and it sucks to be Breakdown yet again because his gun works quite nicely with Arcee both as a rifle and as an underslung weapon and the peg is long enough to get past that forearm tab and so far forward that the size isn't a problem for her; in bike mode, all them other guys' weapons look stupid except yet again Breakdown's which looks boss on the side and passable on the back. I'd totally YOINK that gun for Arcee, but it'd leave Legion Breakdown even more worthless, while Arcee has built-in hand blades and looks fine without accessories.

Overall: C+plus for the overall brand, A-minus for Legion. I still don't like Legion much, but I do like this Arcee figure, it doesn't do that much but it does a good job with the things it does. It looks good and character-accurate in both modes, both sculpt and paint hold up nicely. Vehicle scales great to the deluxes while bot is saddled with that whole "mass shifting isn't real" thing so it ends pretty short cmpared to those guys. Transformation is satisfying for a Legion despite being somewhat similar to other bike-bots in general. The accessory is a waste but not a huge loss for the figure. If you can get past her being so very short in bot mode, she makes a good addition to the overall TFPrime crew.


Deluxe Hot Shot - after seeing how mediocre the RID Bumblebee figure looked, I knew I'd be avoiding it, but the Hot Shot repaint with a new head looked like a better taste of that mold, despite the weird silver slit eyes, so when I saw it in the store and the silver was actually his eyebrows, I gave it a shot.

Vehicle Mode: The show calls this car an Urbana 500, it's basically a cartoony version of the new Camaro, and the RID toy of it is a more real-world expression in a way - the wheelbase is shorter, the lines a little softer, and the cabin taller - but not in a bad way. The toy is a fun muscle/pony car, the shorter wheelbase highlights the wide stance, and while there's minimal ground clearance it actually rolls nicely. Seams aren't too bad, only the front fenders and the middle of the grille have anything noticeable; the middle of the grille and center of the hood are a panel that can lift out of position fairly easily, otherwise the car is quite solid. The doors open, although that requires untabbing them from the back end. Like many great muscle/pony cars, the snout is wide and angry yet angular and sleek, the lines taper to a smaller waist, and that leads into higher, wider haunches at the back. This sculpt leaves nothing out despite being cartoon-based which has been an excuse for less detail in the past, the door handles and tail pipes and brake calipers are all present if a bit cartoon-simple in design; the broadest stroke is the engine top sculpted slightly out of the hood. The cabin is mostly empty from the window sill line up, but no cabin interior was sculpted.

Hot Shot's vehicle mode's biggest draw is the deco, unlike the mismatched yellows of Bumblebee, Hot Shot gets done up in a metallic darker blue sporting yellow tribal flames on the hood coming off the engine and on the first 2/3rds coming off the wheels where they quickly turn to red, it's not a bad look if you can't do yellow again the way Armada/Energon Hot Shot was, but it's not an iconic color for Hot Shot either since he only used blue with hints of yellow and red in Cybertron, so this makes TFP Hot Shot an homage that's more his own man in a way. The car sports red paint for the tail lights - something the RID Bumblebee mold-brother didn't. Dark matte gray for the grille, silver for the engine, translucent blue for the headlights and windows, black for the frames around the windshield and side windows. The rear window frame gets no black paint, despite the B-pillar windows (the tiny ones behind the main side windows) being painted over in black which is a waste of paint. The paint does a very good job matching the blue plastic to the blue on the doors, and the tribal flames on the hood and the sides lines up across its seams quite well. It's a nice-looking deco overall, and my only issue would be the use of darkish blue for the car against the darkish blue translucent plastic for the windows. Oh, and there's a small dark gray hinge square in the front fender, it's barely noticeable though.

Accessories, Hot Shot has Bumblebee's mirror-twin dual blasters, and in vehicle mode they stack to plug into the engine top - the look does nothing for me, it's not enginey enough, so it just looks like they were dumped there. There's no other official storage in alt mode, but you can stuff the blasters into the cabin stacked on top of each other if you don't mind that they cause the side windows and roof to each bulge out a millimeter or so; you can also stuff them individually in another orientation, but you get the same results. There seems like enough gaps underneath that these should have had an official place somewhere, but no.

Transformation: This is a very movie-inspired transformation. Unpegging the rear end from the roof and doors lets you swing down the lower torso and legs as a single unit, then unfolding the feet from that; it also frees the arms to drop down and the doors to open out; then you can dump the entire roof as a backpack, folding the rear window area in. With the arms dropped, you unpeg the front fenders and hinge them out which causes a very sloppy automorph to lift up the center of the hood while tilting the outer sides of the hood up. That automorph feels like it stops prematurely, the shoulders tilted forward and the head panel not fully-seated, like it's supposed to go further to get it looking right, and indeed it seems like that was the intention judging by the rack & pinion head reveal not fully filling the front, the head panel only fully seating when the shoulders are further back by pushing the torso further into the hood - I think there's a clearance issue at play here. Anyway, the chief issues with the transformation are the head often catching on the hood halves causing the head panel to stay closed, and the windshield/roof/back window backpack being value and not locking into place (there's a notch in the back which lines up to a tab in the back window but it doesn't grip at all). Transforming back to car mode is the inverse, with the caveat that the head panel/hood center will remain out of alignment enough that you'll want to hold its gear in place and push it the last little way to get as much force trying to hold it closed as you can muster (it won't be much).

Bot Mode: Assuming Hot Shot is meant to look like Bumblebee's body with a new head, this is a mess - the upper torso is WAY too wide and tilts down when it shouldn't, the shoulders are too low, the door-wings are in the wrong place, the forearms are too small, the lower torso is way too small, the boots are too bulky and big, and both the torso and boots are way too gappy. If you can accept that this isn't meant to look like Bumblebee at all, all those things are still true - the proportions on Hot Shot are all over the map - but it's not as hard a pill to swallow. The real problem Hot Shot suffers is gappiness, from almost any angle his torso is virtually non-existent, worse than most Human Alliance figures even, his head and shoulers both sit over a cave - the gap there can be mitigated by folding the rear window up as far as you can get it, which fills in just enough to get passable from most angles, although side-on it's still pretty bad, and it's a shabby thing to have in the core of a robot; I'm also bothered by the low, odd shoulders which are connected to almost nothing. The boots are very gappy just above the feet, but it only shows if you're viewing the figure from a low angle. The sculpt is ok for a TF Prime character, a little soft in the lines, and finer details are low, and it doesn't quite hit the TFP aesthetic (almost none of the figures in the line so far do though). The head is the only new tooling on the figure, and it's a TFP homage to the Armada character with its round helmet head, fold-down goggles with wide "ears", square eyes and vented cheeks - this Hot Shot is pretty miffed though, his eyebrows are in a frowny position and his mouth has an angry, slightly open and slightly sneering sculpt. The folded-down goggles give Hot Shot a buggy face since the goggle lenses are wide, the head looks short, and the mouth is hidden leaving an unusual shaped gap between the goggles and the chinstrap chin.

The head seems like a good place to move onto deco, as it's cast in blue with silver eyebrows, a silver face (but blue cheeks), a dark gray chin, orange stripes on top, black paint on the goggles, and translucent blue for the light-piped eyes and the goggle lenses. At first blush it's very easy to mistake the strong silver eyebrows for narrow eyes as they are a striking feature while the actual eyes are translucent blue plastic set inside blue plastic cheeks, it's only when you see the face in good lighting that you really notice the eyes that make it a much better face. Unfortunately for Hot Shot, his light-pipe is cut off by a kibble panel behind his head, once you turn the head clear of that though he's got a striking light-pipe showing the eyes, including their sculpted pupils - it's too bad that the edges of the raised goggles also light-pipe easily which distracts; the lowered goggles barely show the light-piping through the eyes and lenses unless you're using a very close flashlight. The body adds dark gray plastic and a number of bold red panels at the shoulders, forearms, and shins which becomes very reminiscent of Cybertron Hot Shot's robot deco. There's also a little dark gray paint and black plastic in the arms. The flames remain heavily in play with the yellow ones flanking the head, and the orange-to-red ones on the doors facing forward.

The bot overall looks alright, I definitely prefer this look to the Bumblebee figure. I like the head although the goggles are a mixed bag, the body looks ok from the front but in action less so, and the upper torso is pretty big. It's not horribly fragile, but nor is it strong - the back panel moves quite easily, the lower torso moves too much, the upper body doesn't move but feels like it's all barely connected so it wouldn't take much to break it. The flame paint seems thin, like it'll wear quickly. Not enough kibble locks into place, moving an arm often moves the inner shoulder detail thing, moving the head often pulls the panel it's sitting on up, moving the legs can detransform the boots a little. The body promotions seem off from a HUGE upper body to a TINY waist, narrow forearms, and then big boots, but it's not a disaster.

Articulation: The head is on a ball-joint that can rotate and also tilt up/down and side/side a little (although most of that "up" gets eaten by compensating for its panel not seating fully); the shoulders rotate in high, far-back, tiny joints; the upper arms hinge outwards/inwards; the elbow is friction-ratchet hinged and rotates at the top but not bottom; the hips are ball-joints with swivels above the thighs; knees are hinged to 90 degrees; the feet are on a midpoint rotation so you can point them up or down due to transformation. The range is mostly unencumbered, the arms are a bit challenging due to the unusual jointing and wide chest but it's easy to think around them. I'd like to have seen rotation joints below the elbow so the forearms could rotate to bring the cannons to bear without straightening the elbow entirely, but other than that it's an ok set of articulation choices otherwise. Kibble is mostly articulated and not in a terribly helpful manner.

Accessories: So, Bumblebee's mirror-twin dual-barrel blasters, they're dark gray plastic, flat, plenty of tech detailing, a single 5mm peg for a grip on the bottom and a 5mm peghole at the rear. They look good pegged into the side of each forearm, individually mediocre as a pistol since they're so flat, but halfway passable stacked together to make a pistol. No official storage aside from the sides of the forearms.

Overall: C+plus, the original mold I'd call a (generous) C-minus and the character a B, it's not the character's fault but the original mold's. Hot Shot tries to make the best of a troubled RID Bumblebee mold with a snappy paint job in both modes and a nice new head sculpt that pays homage to the character without feeling kiddified or smilie, although that homage is a little lost in the Cybertron coloring. The vehicle mode looks nice on its own, the transformation on its own is fair, but the robot mode has a lot of little issues that hold the figure back from being better. I don't dislike the figure, but I couldn't recommend it easily either.

El Chuxter
05-17-2012, 09:47 PM
I'm not trying to be a smartarse, but I'm really not sure if you typed it wrong or not: did they rename the Legends line as "Legion"?

JetsAndHeels
05-19-2012, 04:51 PM
I FINALLY found the new legions (the answer to your question is yes, Chux) last Sunday at the Walmart in my parents' town. Got Evac, Breakdown, Mirage, and Soundwave.

On a side note, I find it interesting that one Walmart (the one here in my town) can have little to no new toys, and get virtually nothing new in for weeks at a time, while another Walmart (the one in my parents' town) has twice the number of toy aisles and has full pegs. Distribution is quite tricky at times.

Anyway, I gotta say the wait for these guys was frustrating, but now that I have them in hand I'm pleased. I was a bit concerned with Evac, as some guys on TFW were having qc issues with theirs, but mine is just fine. Mirage is cool, but being a Sideways repaint, there isn't much surprise there. Breakdown is very nifty. I like his uniqueness, and for a legion he's quite solid. Soundwave is the same as his dotm predecessor, just with a different paintjob and another one of those gummy bear weapons.

I also got deluxe Hot Shot and Breakdown at another Walmart last week. Haven't opened either yet.

The hunt continues for Voyager Starscream and Bulkhead. A friend of mine texted me the other night to inform me that the TRU near him (an hour and a half away from me) had both but were $27 each before tax.

I'm not even sure I should bother looking for Vehicon at this point. From what I'm reading on TFW, people are going nuts for that figure.
I can wait it out..or one of you kind west-coasters could help me out. :)

figrin bran
05-19-2012, 11:36 PM
I'm not even sure I should bother looking for Vehicon at this point. From what I'm reading on TFW, people are going nuts for that figure.
I can wait it out..or one of you kind west-coasters could help me out. :)

I'll try but I have struck out on Vehicon soooooo many times already. He is only one per case in wave 3 and doesn't seem to be in wave 4 so hopefully he'll be in wave 5 but wave 4 is quite underwhelming and might clog up pegs (BB repaint, Wheeljack repaint).

I picked up Commander class Dreadwing at Target today. I guess that's my consolation prize for seeing wave 3 remnants at every store I go to.

JT, if you like Legion Arcee that much, you ought to get Legion Cliffjumper

JetsAndHeels
05-21-2012, 08:07 PM
Today was a good day!!

A buddy of mine texted me this afternoon to let me know a nearby Walmart had the new voyagers in. He got the Bulkhead, but left the Starscream for me. He hid it in a nice location in the store for me.

When I returned home from getting Starscream, I figured I would give my local Walmart another try. They had received the new voyagers as well, and Bulkhead came home with me.

That crosses 2 important items off my want list. Now to try and track down a Vehicon.

JediTricks
05-23-2012, 04:08 PM
I'm not trying to be a smartarse, but I'm really not sure if you typed it wrong or not: did they rename the Legends line as "Legion"?Yeah, since DOTM they've been called Legion and are part of the Cyberverse line so they have more 3mm rail-clip & peg system integration.



On a side note, I find it interesting that one Walmart (the one here in my town) can have little to no new toys, and get virtually nothing new in for weeks at a time, while another Walmart (the one in my parents' town) has twice the number of toy aisles and has full pegs. Distribution is quite tricky at times.WM has really spotty distribution, they choose by prior store sales I think but then don't give much room to grow new customer base at the others.


Anyway, I gotta say the wait for these guys was frustrating, but now that I have them in hand I'm pleased. I was a bit concerned with Evac, as some guys on TFW were having qc issues with theirs, but mine is just fine. Mirage is cool, but being a Sideways repaint, there isn't much surprise there. Breakdown is very nifty. I like his uniqueness, and for a legion he's quite solid. Soundwave is the same as his dotm predecessor, just with a different paintjob and another one of those gummy bear weapons.Evac have QC issues beyond the rusty pins I first detailed, or was that the QC issue?

I'm so surprised you and Dave van Domelen like Breakdown, I just don't see it with his robot mode.

Soundwave has been remolded with additional 3mm holes, right?



I also got deluxe Hot Shot and Breakdown at another Walmart last week. Haven't opened either yet.Breakdown? You don't mean the Legion, as you just mentioned him, so you mean someone else? The Voyager Breakdown isn't out yet, right?


The hunt continues for Voyager Starscream and Bulkhead. A friend of mine texted me the other night to inform me that the TRU near him (an hour and a half away from me) had both but were $27 each before tax. Same here, too much for those molds.


I'm not even sure I should bother looking for Vehicon at this point. From what I'm reading on TFW, people are going nuts for that figure.
I can wait it out..or one of you kind west-coasters could help me out. :)I haven't found him yet, 1 per case, seen instances of multiple cases being raided for army-building. I hate Hasbro for this f'up. I'm already looking for myself and some friends on that fig, so help would come late in the roster, but I'll keep in mind just in case I hit the motherload.


I'll try but I have struck out on Vehicon soooooo many times already. He is only one per case in wave 3 and doesn't seem to be in wave 4 so hopefully he'll be in wave 5 but wave 4 is quite underwhelming and might clog up pegs (BB repaint, Wheeljack repaint). Yeah, this line is a disaster, but I want that Vehicon even if they did screw up royal with his distribution. And the air Vehicon is going to be the same thing, I bet.


I picked up Commander class Dreadwing at Target today. I guess that's my consolation prize for seeing wave 3 remnants at every store I go to. Thoughts on that figure? You still haven't posted your previous hauls' thoughts either. :p


JT, if you like Legion Arcee that much, you ought to get Legion CliffjumperI don't think so, I like Arcee mainly for being in scale with the deluxes and for being adequate, the permanent roof split on L Cliff looks pretty unacceptable in my book.

Chaddymac
05-23-2012, 04:54 PM
BBTS just posted a revision case with 2 Vehicons: http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=HAS21856&mode=retail&utm_source=retail_news&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=BigBadToyStore-Retail&utm_content=

JetsAndHeels
05-23-2012, 05:05 PM
JT, I don't know why I said deluxe Breakdown..I meant Hot Shot. All this hunting for Vehicon is aging me quickly. :)

I'm also thrilled to hear that the revision case will have 2 vehicons. Also notice there is not a single Bumblebee either. That may be a first.

figrin bran
05-23-2012, 10:37 PM
JT, I have a whole pile of stuff waiting to be opened...Voyager Bulkhead and Screamer, the SW deleted scene figures (minus Mon Cal pilot which I never found). That's why the delay.

I did open up Dreadwing, however, A solid offering for the Cyberverse commander line though the paint apps on his face are rather poor which in turn makes the sculpt look poor. Also, the colors aren't show accurate and instead of navy blue, the figure should be closer to Beast Wars Depth Charge's royal blue. Articulation is pretty good and the kibble in plane mode is kept to a minimum though that's largely a function of having fewer parts to work with.

Btw, JT, I bought Hot Shot and it seems I like it more than you do. The paint apps really sold it for me and as for that mold, it's rather simplistic but I like it better than FE BB's mold actually. On the FE, I have a tough time getting all the chest panels aligned and to me, it's just better designed on the RID mold. That being said, I'm still not getting the deluxe BB ;)

JediTricks
05-24-2012, 04:35 PM
BBTS just posted a revision case with 2 Vehicons: http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=HAS21856&mode=retail&utm_source=retail_news&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=BigBadToyStore-Retail&utm_content=FINALLY! It's going to be half a year but they finally got around to addressing 2 problems at once. Way to phone it in but at least they finally picked up that phone. :p


JT, I don't know why I said deluxe Breakdown..I meant Hot Shot. All this hunting for Vehicon is aging me quickly. :)You mentioned Dlx Hot Shot and Breakdown, so are you sure you didn't get someone ELSE? I do hear ya on the Vehicon hunt, it's really a bummer expending so much energy for it.


JT, I have a whole pile of stuff waiting to be opened...Voyager Bulkhead and Screamer, the SW deleted scene figures (minus Mon Cal pilot which I never found). That's why the delay.

I did open up Dreadwing, however, A solid offering for the Cyberverse commander line though the paint apps on his face are rather poor which in turn makes the sculpt look poor. Also, the colors aren't show accurate and instead of navy blue, the figure should be closer to Beast Wars Depth Charge's royal blue. Articulation is pretty good and the kibble in plane mode is kept to a minimum though that's largely a function of having fewer parts to work with.

Btw, JT, I bought Hot Shot and it seems I like it more than you do. The paint apps really sold it for me and as for that mold, it's rather simplistic but I like it better than FE BB's mold actually. On the FE, I have a tough time getting all the chest panels aligned and to me, it's just better designed on the RID mold. That being said, I'm still not getting the deluxe BB ;)Ah, ok, so you have too much stuff, I'm cryin'. ;) I'll keep an eye out for the Mon Cal Pilot, I saw him a week and a half ago so it's possible it may happen again.

Sucks about bad paint on Dreadwing's face, why do they do that stuff? Odd about his color being not close enough to purple.

I like Hot Shot, I just really don't like the mold's problems of which there are many. I can't compare it to FE BB though (although I could, it's the only FE on HasbroToyShop available right now). But both FE and RID look too wide, too simple. I am surprised to hear you think the RID is better though, it has that kibble panel behind the head, the head panel itself flops forward, the back kibble is loose, and there's a lot of gappiness from the side - seems like positioning would be a step up. :p

JetsAndHeels
05-28-2012, 11:29 AM
JT, the other deluxe I got was Knockout (the red car). Don't know why I got confused on those guys.

The search for Vehicon continues. Hit up a couple places while the wife and I were up in Virginia this weekend...still no dice.

JediTricks
06-02-2012, 12:24 AM
So, on the advice of the TF fan group, I bought RID Cliffjumper from amazon - everyone said he's so much better than FE except for the arms, and I was feeling like I needed a new TF.

RID CLIFFJUMPER IS A TERRIBLE FIGURE!

What the hell is wrong with those people who recommended this one? He's not a figure, he's a facade of a character, a 3-dimensional standee. He's panels on the front, gaps and windows in the middle, and a lot more panels on the back; his legs are just hollows; his arms aren't even hollows, they're just junk placed near other junk pretending to be half an arm. His back and his arms come apart at nothing more than a strong gaze. Vehicle mode is covered in seams that constantly need massaging back into place. His chest is a total phoney and doesn't even match the sculpting and paint quality of the limbs and head. And he's SHORT! His vehicle mode's fairly long for the line but then it all collapses down to make a rather mediocre robot made up of dangling slices. They even got the paint on his shoulders reversed, making the "horn" red and the "collar" gray. But at least they gave him a weird huge club/gun instead of his wrist blasters, gee thanks.

Lame. D + plus at best.


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So then, while Cliff was in the mail, I found Knockout, and despite some poor reviews here and there, I picked him up.

RID Knock Out is surprisingly not terrible.

Vehicle mode is small, and the paint really doesn't look right on its own or as the character even though it's not as inaccurate as it looks. The paint is quite cheap and spartan, leaving out the back window and the entire rear tail light area. The sculpt is nice though, minus the sloppy 5mm holes on either rear fender. The wheels are snapped in instead of pinned, so they don't roll as smoothly. The weapon looks needless attached to the side of the car. The vehicle is quite solid though.

The transformation is a bit convoluted around the arms because of all the folding and rotating out of the way and such, the instructions make it so painfully complicated that it's easy to get lost using them; the truth is that you're just pulling them out, rotating them around the shoulders, rotating the forearms around elbows, then closing them down, but there's a lot of joints and things seem confusing the way it's sculpted. Hasbro's instructions are entirely wrong, they have the vehicle fenders in the wrong place despite them having hinges and notches to go in the right place, and they don't mention the middle of the hood folds forward, they don't close the forearms down all the way, they don't close the hips, so it's just best to ignore Hasbro on this one entirely.

Robot mode is taller than Bumblebee, impressive considering how small vehicle mode was, but that height comes at a cost: from the front, the figure is recognizably Knock Out, from the back he's however fairly skeletal and a tad gappy. That said, with everything done the way Takara envisioned, the figure is quite solid except at the fender/shoulders which have purchase but aren't that difficult to dislodge. Head sculpt is pretty good, quite recognizable and sporting a smirk, light-piped pink eyes. The body is lanky and low on kibble, the forearms using the roof to fill out to meet the elbow works better than it should, but as much as it's recognizable, it's also entirely missing the point of the character in terms of sleek shapes and such. The back has the wheels and a spine with 2 5mm peg holes for his electro-staff weapon. The mediocrity of the vehicle paint robs KO of so much of his color, and the base color was too bright to begin with, but leaving out the yellow for the wheels and the yellow ribs on black collar was a real shame - this figure could have looked slick with that stuff, it's sculpted to at least suggest that stuff. I like the robot mode in some ways, but it does have some gapping and odd design issues.

Articulation is fair: restricted ball-jointed head (turns about 45 degrees but only up about 5 degrees); ball-jointed shoulders; swivel biceps; hinged elbows; restricted ball-jointed wrists (can act as a swivel basically); ball-jointed hips; swivel thighs; hinged knees; ball-jointed and hinged toes that move really oddly. Also, the shoulders are on struts that can rotate from transformation, moving the wheels on the back with it; the shoulders have hinged kibble, and the crotch plate can move a couple degrees to get more out of the hips. Articulation is a bit restrictive, yet has a lot of ways to be expressive and exciting. The windows on the forearms are from the character model unfortunately, they can be flexed to move the elbow but only flat against the shoulder, then you can rotate the bicep after that, it's not obvious at first. You can give him a little extra height by flattening the hood-chest some, but this leaves the neck plate a bit floppy.

Accessory is a lance with an electro-fork at one end with an electro-blast coming out, but they didn't bother painting it so it's just the wrong look. It comes up to his chin in height. There isn't much to get excited about, it fits in both hands at one time and can be separated into 2 rather uninspiring half-weapons.

Overall, Knock Out has personality, but suffers horrendous budgetary problems that hurt what's here, and the feeling that the designers came up with a cut-rate version of a better mold to fit the size/pricepoint. Grade: C + plus, points for character and likeability, but points off for bad deco and skeletal back and mediocre accessory.



JT, the other deluxe I got was Knockout (the red car). Don't know why I got confused on those guys.

The search for Vehicon continues. Hit up a couple places while the wife and I were up in Virginia this weekend...still no dice.Excellent, excellent. Sorry you didn't get the Vehicon, I feel your pain as I did a run today for him and also came up gooseegg.