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Adam
08-25-2004, 12:48 AM
Because his combo with Prime is cool. That's really all there is to that figure.

JediTricks
08-26-2004, 01:55 AM
It's not enough for me, not by a long shot, especially since he's like $25.

I did some checking, it's been almost 4 months since I last found a new Energon figure! That's not counting the defective Cliffjumper, recolored basics, the role play weapons, or Omega Supreme, but 4 months since I've seen any new basic or deluxe figures, it drives me nuts. What is up with this stall-out? This is the 20th anniversary of TF and Energon is the main line, Alternators already had a stall-out and now Energon is suffering a massive one.

Adam
08-26-2004, 10:10 PM
He's $19.99 actually. :D

JediTricks
08-27-2004, 10:10 PM
That's why I said "like". :D

Meister & Tracks packaged: http://boards.allspark.com/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=997375
http://boards.allspark.com/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=997373
I don't think this looks so bad, the red is a better marketing color than blue and more Transformers-y. The cars seem to be higher up in the box, but I think the boxes are the same size as the blue ones.

The official Tranformers Hasbro site has done an update: http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/energon/pl/ID.1094/PAGE.news/dn/default.cfm
and here's my take...

Sledge: I like this one, looks good in alt mode and not bad in bot mode although a little shrimpy.

Duststorm: alt mode looks like a minicon, bot mode looks like a mess at the upper body. I'm pretty sure I won't be getting this one but his green brother.

Steamhammer: alt mode seems way oversized, bot mode looks marginal and unfortunately reminds me too much of Armada Scavenger (whom I loathe).

Beachcomber: Does nothing for me, the blue and white makes no sense and I already know I hate this mold, so it's an easy one for me to pass up (though having already owned Cliffjumper, this is the superior paint scheme... or rather, "less inferior"). Alt mode photo has the rear wheel way out of alignment.

Wingsaber: Alt mode, I swear I have this already from the Power Rangers: Time Force line. Looks like a big flying mess. Bot mode - "hi, I'm wingsaber, I have no SHOULDER ARTICULATION!!!" - beyond that, he also looks so much like he secretly is a PR Megazord it's scary. I just don't see why everybody's interested in this one at all.

Omega Sentinel: Hasbro should have waited to release this pic, gonna keep me from buying Omega Supreme now, that's for sure. This colorscheme looks way better.

kool-aid killer
08-29-2004, 05:03 PM
The new Alternators package is reminiscent of the what the vintage Transformers came in. I personally liked the blue box but dont have any beef with the red they will be going with. Cant wait to get Jazz and Tracks. I hadnt seen any pictures of Wingsaber before and i must say if it werent for the photo being on the Transformers website i would think it was a Power Rangers toy. Needless to say its staying on the peg once i see it. Omega Sentinal looks better than Supreme. Any clue as to when Grimlock and Swoop should be hitting?

JediTricks
08-29-2004, 09:24 PM
I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who sees Wingsaber as a Power Rangers piece, most TF fans are howling for joy over this piece and I just ain't seeing why.

Grimmy & Swoop should be next month.

One thing I didn't notice about the new Alternators packaging is that there's no outer window. This is a pretty big mistake IMO as the dust and box-breakage issues will get a lot worse with this design. I like the graphics, but not the windowless window.

Adam
08-29-2004, 10:57 PM
Grimlock and Swoop are actually scheduled for October.

JediTricks
09-01-2004, 03:44 PM
"Scheduled" means very little to Hasbro. ;)


I finally found Bulkhead. Is anybody having trouble with the hip ratchets on the drone? Mine are totally misaligned so neither jet/arm can stay parallel with the main body (or each other). If I see another, I'm taking this one back for exchange.

The packaging is a beast, lots and lots of twisties, and the clear tray over the vehicle holding the rotors is annoying.

I have to say, I love this figure design, this is easily one of my favorite figures in the line, although I don't like the color scheme, cheap materials, and joint problems (aforementioned drone joints and the hip joints having those spread joints with very few ratchet points leaving few angle choices but straight together or VERY wide apart). This figure is the king of designing, I think there are so many great ideas used here that this had to be a labor of love for some lucky designer.

The alt mode is cool, I like the use of the tail landing gear activating the rotors a lot and it's well-hidden, and the chopper is well-armed and bulky, looking like Blue Thunder evolved some; it feels fairly solid too, I feared it'd be a loose goose but nothing flops. The drone attached is ok too, brings enough weapons and big engines to bear that it is easy to forgive the covering of its main button in this mode.

Speaking of the drone, it is pretty cool in its own rite, the packaging doesn't even mention that the main button activates not only a machine gun sound but also LEDs within the clear blue guns that blink on and off. The drone in afterburner mode also makes a fairly convincing mini-ship. But more importantly, there's no mention of the coolest feature, found on the underside are 2 flush buttons, push one in and you get the transformation sound, push the other and you get the de-transformation sound!!! Minicon fans beware though, the only Minicon point is on the tail opposite the rear rotor.

Transformation to bot mode is very wild, there are so many folds and tricks, concepts from so many different TF lines, I found it to be one of the more satisfying transformations. And virtually nothing is left exposed, no open gaps anywhere that would cause the bot to not work, the back is a little open but I think of that more as the holder for the blade weapon than an exposed back.The transformation also allows for a mildly floppy gerwalk mode for those who like unofficial modes. The rotor blade weapon even has a peg which folds out and the rotors fold in slightly. The drone's transformation would be inconsequential except that the designers added a spring-loaded flap to cover the opening up half-way, adding a nice extra touch.

Bot mode is amazingly cool, a very serious look on the face (with nice lightpiping), good proportions, and tons of articulation, specifically: head, shoulders, shoulder "flapping", upper arm rotation, hinged elbows that can bend almost all the way back, universal-joint hips ("flapping" ratchet is a little lacking as previously mentioned), thigh rotation, ratchet-hinge knees, hinged upper-ankles (foreward & back), and hinged feet (tilting side to side). A lot of this articulation isn't even needed for tranformation. I didn't mention the panels on the sides of the waist which hold the missile launchers; speaking of the waist, it can rotate for transformation but is locked into place in bot mode, oh well. For undocumented features, the transformation allows for the hands to rotate around to reveal guns, the waist panels can fold out to the side and point the launchers straight up for jetpack action (or if you're brave, a minicon platform), and the upper back can still hold onto the rotor weapon for storage. I think the plant workers packaged the hips pointing backwards, they're uni-jointed with swivels before the knee, so they can rotate all the way around and still work equally well either way, but the way Bulkhead is found in the package has the screws pointing forwards. The legs are a little Gundam-y, but not as bad as Mirage's legs, while the feet here are fairly unique to this figure; the entire tail assembly hangs down the back all the way past the knees and restricting the backwards range of the legs, but if you tilt the legs out some you can get them further back for more dynamic poses.

The Drone's ED-209 mode looks cool and tough, I love how the feet open up and then are on these crazy ball joints, but because the "knee" joints on mine are ratcheting at the wrong angles, mine stands funny. The Drone in this mode is well-articulated with 22 separate points of articulation, including main guns, shoulders, shoulder-to-knee, universal knees, swivel upper thigh, thigh-to-big shin hinge, ball-jointed foot with 4 separate toes. The knee joints allow the Drone to stand almost as tall as Bulkhead, or with some adjustments as low as Bulkhead's waist, or just above his head. You can even get an unofficial gun emplacement out of this for Bulkhead to use by flipping the guns all the way over so the main electronics button is on the bottom and the guns are pointing backwards, this mode also brings 2 sets of nozzles as more blasters to the party, time to take down some flying Decepticons!

Bulkhead combines with the Drone in backpack mode fairly easily, adjust a couple panels on Bulkhead and then slide the backpack over the figure's back and it locks into place. Brute mode indeed! The figure's head now rests directly on the main electronics button, you can push the head back slightly and set off the sound (it is so close that it goes off by itself if you pick it up, but you can tilt the plate that the head rests on down a little to keep the button away from the head), the lightpiping even still works. The backpack brings big mighty arms into play and they're fully articulated, yet even with these big arms stretched fully in front of the figure, he can still stand upright, especially when you lean him back slightly. I dunno why a Transformer would need an exo-suit backpack, but it's very damn cool none the less.

Tycho
09-01-2004, 04:19 PM
JT, what did you mean by windowless window on the Alt packaging?

There's an outer window besides the fit-to-form plastic that holds the car in the box. You have to look at how the light is shining on the packaging "glass."

Or I misunderstood you.


Still no sign of Hound, Silverstreak, or Dead End in San Diego.

I check most stores since I Star Wars hunt.

How many per case ship? Are Sideswipe and Smokescreen still in the case assortments?

The only new thing around here is that Toys R Us got the Alternators whereas before I'd never noticed them there (Smokescreen and Sideswipe in good quantity that is).

All my Wal-Marts have from 2-4-8 or so of the S&S wave.

Adam
09-01-2004, 08:48 PM
Ok, well scheduled was my word. :p It's not like they control when retailers put out their stuff anyway.

JediTricks
09-02-2004, 10:06 PM
Adam, I didn't mean the term didn't mean anything, I meant the concept means little to Hasbro. ;)


Tycho, there's no plastic on the outside window, you can see where the box dips under the "window" level. The shine is probably from the inner plastic tray shell hugging the car.

Adam
09-03-2004, 07:23 PM
Oh, I know. I just don't think its fair to blame Hasbro for Wal-Marts and Targets not shipping out waves when they estimate they will hit shelves.

JediTricks
09-04-2004, 01:35 AM
Hasbro used to be able to announce on the net months in advance when a SW wave would be hitting stores and be accurate to within 3 days. Their system USED to work and their schedules meant something, now when they say "October" it could mean anywhere from August to December. I'll grant you that the burden is not entirely on their shoulders, but they do share in the blame I think. But I still think the accessory-free Dinobots will be hitting late this month.


Speaking of finding stuff, I picked up Downshift and Tow-Line tonight at Target! Yay yay yay! No replacement for my defective Bulkhead, but these were much joy to find, and I almost didn't see Downshift hidden way back there. I also saw Command Ravage & Doomlock but don't want them. Seeing a bunch of basic and deluxe figures on these new red cards, I definitely don't like them as much as the original cards.

Tow Line is pretty neat, I'll get into him more later on, but the only complaint I have so far is that the ball joint on the long antenna of his weapon cracked when I looked at it funny, it's not broken but those fractures look like potential trouble. The concept here really works quite well, there's a lot to like here if you're into this, but I can see where some folks won't dig it too because like everybody's saying about him, Tow Line is very different from other deluxes.

Wheelshift... Downjack... whats-his-name is pretty darn cool indeed. I don't know why Hasbro bothered to call him "Downshift", he's clearly "Wheeljack" and he even has gull-wing doors like the Armada figure of that name. The weapons are a little odd but not terrible, and the location of the spark crystal leaves much to be desired, but all in all this figure is a winner.

Both of these deluxes are good enough that if Hasbro made good repaints of 'em, I'd buy.

Tycho
09-04-2004, 02:39 AM
As you may or may not know, and probably don't care, I just collect Alternators (well, Autobot ones).

Anyway, I saw Ramjet in TRU today and thought he looked really cool. Just thought I'd let you know.

He was packaged with 4 other mini-Decepticon jets (this was not the vintage Ramjet like some commemorative one), but probably a Transformers Universe Ramjet or something.

One of the few I've seen that I really like from the new line that's not an Alternator.

Adam
09-05-2004, 01:06 AM
You probably wouldn't like him Tycho. Pretty poor in the articulation department. That's a repaint of Armada Skywarp, and its a pretty lazy one at that. They didn't even paint the Decepticon symbols. And the minicons are just the same ones they sold seperately. What's really frustrating about that aspect, is that on the back of the package, they show that minicon team repainted. I was looking forward to that part, but since the final product was just the same things I had already bought, I left it on the shelf.

JT, I just really doubt it about the Dinobots. The repaint Ironhide, and Dreadwing are supposed to hit before them, so I just don't see it happening.

And yeah, I found the new PLX Battles wave of deluxe figures.. but someone had already bought all the new ones. :cry:

BUT my friend is going to Japan next week and I'm sending him with pictures of SL Wing Saber and Wheeljack along with some robotmasters, so I might finally get some new stuff next week! Yay! :crazed:

Adam
09-05-2004, 06:55 PM
YES! The drought is over! I picked up Towline at Target just now. Wheelshift was no where to be seen

JediTricks
09-05-2004, 09:41 PM
Tycho, you'd definitely be disappointed with that TFU figure, trust Adam's advice on that.

Nice find Adam, congrats! I hear Sharkticon is out on shelves too now.


Back to TowLine & Downshift...

TowLine's alt mode is a slightly-futuristic van, it has opening doors, gull-wing style (no interior though) and ladders sculpted into the sides. The colors are odd but not garish, I wish Hasbro had painted the sculpted windows dark red to match the clear ones though. The van only becomes a newsvan when you attach the Energon accessory to the top, it has a pair of transmission-style dishes (both on ball-joints) and the larger one is on a stalk which swings up to simulate an extended antenna boom like real newsvans have - I kinda wish this had been opaque plastic rather than translucent, but oh well.

The coolest thing about Towline is that because of the set's design, there are a lot of unofficial modes that can be made here. I like the MASK-like big guns that appear from the roof if you follow the official transformation process a few steps, the bot legs while still in van mode raise up and have guns that swing out of the toes. The front wheels on the base can also swing into other positions and bring a pair of small tracks into play for a more MASK-style altered look, and the van walls drop down to reveal guns sculpted into the inside and peg holes for Energon accessories to attach.

Transformation is fairly intuitive and not too simple, I only had a little trouble when sliding the head into position.

Bot mode is nifty, closer to a deluxe than a basic which is good, and plenty of articulation to keep things nifty; the shoulders being rods is my only complaint. I like the accessory closed up, it looks even meaner than fully extended, and luckily, Hasbro put pegs on it so it could be held this way (it's backwards from the official mode of the weapon so without the extra peg it wouldn't have been possible).

The base is mostly flat and not that exciting, but you can plug the main weapon into the center covering the powerlink connectors a little and it looks more interesting. The concept is definitely from the G1 Ratchet/Ironhide base thing.

The combined modes aren't great, but they can be interesting. The base becomes the "pants" (but I suspect someone very clever could get pants out of the bot too), and are done in a centaur type design with the treads even coming apart to make a pair of scrawny legs - the base as pants works best for Inferno as "shirt" I think, the others don't look quite as neat on it (although Towline's bot mode as the shirt works well here, of course). Towline as the shirt works best I think with Inferno again, and I suspect by their similar widths that Towline's powerlinking was designed specifically with Inferno in mind.

All in all, a lot of fun with a lot of room for tons of unofficial stuff to be done, this fig works well.

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Downshift is clearly supposed to be Wheeljack, I can barely keep from typing "Wheeljack" every time I mention the fig's name. The alt mode is an homage to the G1 Wheeljack's Lancia racecar design and looks slick yet beefy. The white plastic calls for a paint wash to bring out the sculpted details, but it doesn't look cheap unlike a lot of white parts on Transformers. The doors open gull-wing style, it's a little tempermental because of some clips at the bottom of the doors that don't want to let go and the roof being connected only to the front of the car and not the back. The spark crystal on the wheel is the only thing I really don't like. The translucent red plastic used for the accessories, doors, roof panels, headlights, and eye/ear lightpipe is the same strawberry color as Energon Arcee, it's a little grating but not at all a dealbreaker.

Downshift's accessories aren't terrible, but they're not great either and I don't like them connected to alt mode at all. One is a twin-barrel rifle and the other is an oversized pistol with a spring-loaded projectile, they both attach to the car as side-mounted exhaust pipes. I would like them a lot more if they had bottom-mounted handle pegs, but they only have side-mounted pegs which means they have to be held sideways. The car's spoiler can be removed and the guns can be pegged sideways into it with the figure holding this arrangement from the spoiler's middle peg, I like having the guns come in and back a little when in regular bot mode and out and forward in powerlinked modes, gives a little extra contrast.

Transformation reminds me a little of Armada Hot Shot, except here it's more satisfying and there's more going on. There's no pulling down of the legs or folding out of the head, it's more of a reveal design, but there's plenty to do. Like his case-mate Towline, Downshift's transformation is fairly intuitive, but using the instructions actually hurts this some because they tried to show the transformation from the side of the car in every frame and it just ends up confusing matters.

Bot mode is very nifty, some wonky articulation at the hips but the overall effect is neat and not a brick or badly-restricted. Downshift's head is so G1 Wheeljack that it's impossible not to think of him that way. Downshift can hold his weapons individually or together leaving him quite well-armed, and the small exhaust pipes on the shoulders even fold down to become guns.

The pants mode is very basic, just fold the uppermost part of the body backwards and if you want it to look a little less like a very long torso you can split the waist slightly similar to Hot Shot's pants mode. Downshift's pants mode looks very cool with Hot Shot as the shirt, and works ok with Rodimus too, though I don't like Prowl that much here and Inferno looks really bad because of how much difference there is between the sizes of the torsos. Shirt mode is interesting, the uppermost part of the body swivels around and places itself between the figure's now-split-apart waist which become shoulders. As shirt, I like Downshift best with Prowl as the legs, yet Hot Shot and Rodimus both work here too - once again, Inferno is just left in the dust.

Overall, this is a can't-miss figure and very recognizable homage too.

Adam
09-06-2004, 10:08 PM
Yeah Sharkticon's out. BBTS had Slugslinger for like.. an hour. He might show up on shelves pretty soon.

Adam
09-08-2004, 02:46 AM
Looks like my dry spell really is over. I found Dead End at the same Target I found Towline earlier, and then EE Hot Shot at a Wal-Mart. HS was in PLX Battles packings, so Downshift and Sharkticon were there..

Anywho, I thinks I like EE Hot Shot a tad more than the first version. The red yellow and black in bot mode just really works for me.

Dead End is slick. I don't like how the winshield doesn't really connect to anything like Sideswipes though.

Towline is great. I don't like the obviously G1 inspired left over though. Also his shoulder flaps prevent his arms from raising up which is annoying. But not a deal breaker. I too would also buy a good repaint of this one.

plasticfetish
09-08-2004, 03:18 AM
I came home tonight and the kid's grandparents had dropped off a treat for him. It was Downshift... I barely had a chance to check it out, but it looks cool. This one I may need to grab for myself.

Tycho
09-19-2004, 10:05 PM
OK, I found a lot today.

I saw ArCee - the pink fembot who turns into a motorcycle! It's cool to finally see ArCee get some justice done to her. Too bad I don't collect that line. She looked pretty good. Now they just need to make an Alternator for her. I don't think any modern car companies are doing anything in PINK for 2005 though...


I saw Sharkticon and this super-military-stealth boat looked great! It's supposed to be GNAW a SHARKTICON, that turns into a shark of course, but nevermind continuity :rolleyes:


I saw the new Hot Shot -this looked cool. I wish they'd call him Hot Rod like he's supposed to be named. Meanwhile, he needs an Alternator for sure!


The big news is in ALTERNATORS - my line!

I finally found Hound! I definitely like him. This wave will pegwarm though - the package is dark and makes a poor presentation for him and Silverstreak.

In fact I turned down Silverstreak. I guess I don't need to buy rehashes (Smokescreen repainted). I don't want a whole Autobot Armada, just a small battle squad I guess.

I also saw Dead End there. WOW! This one looks hot, but I'm keeping with my religious beliefs that Decepticons are not cars unless they are COMBINERS.

I know we'll also see Swindle (from Hound's sculpt), and can only grumble that the Combaticons can't all possibly be produced since Blast-Off was a space shuttle and hardly going to be in scale with Dead End (not that they should have ever been used for the same combiner team in the first place - save for the fact that in the cartoon, the characters can change their sizes when they transform).

Anyway, a Yellow Tracks was shown on Dead End's Packaging. I doubt I'd buy that and plan on going with the blue.

Grimlock's white Mustang is also another planned purchase.


I still want:

Ironhide - an SUV perhaps? Ford Expedition?
Wheeljack - ??? (what kind of car?)
BumbleBee - yellow 2005 Volkswagon bug
Mirage - something white
Hot Rod - ??? - something red
Kup - ??? - some kind of blue pick-up truck
Blurr - ??? - something very fast and probably silver
Arcee - ??? - what could be pink?
Springer - ??? - at least a green car, if he can't be a triple changer - but what about a boat
Wreck-Gar - an orange dirt bike, like a Yamaha
Ultra Magnus - with a trailer this time, something like 20th Anniversary Prime

Tycho
09-19-2004, 10:09 PM
I got it!

The ultimate Alternators:

Triple-Changer "Springer"

changes from Robot to green-ish grey SUV that can pull pink SeaDoo "ArCee."

Arcee's trailer and SeaDoo transform into her familiar pink robot form.

Springer's green-greyish SUV also transforms into a powerboat that can race alongside Arcee!

Would that be cool or what?

Adam
09-23-2004, 02:24 PM
Yeah that would be kinda neat, but I don't think they're going to stray from cars, at least not yet.

I still haven't found Cliffjumper or Shockblast, and now Dreadwing and EE Ironhide have been found..

El Chuxter
09-23-2004, 02:29 PM
Is there a list of the G1 names Hasbro still owns the rights to floating around somewhere?

JediTricks
09-24-2004, 09:20 PM
No, and I don't think even Hasbro knows for sure what names they owned, I heard they were blindsided initially by the loss of the name "Hot Rod".


I found Sharkticon and Slugslinger the other day when the car had a flat tire right in front of Target.

Sharkticon:

Alt mode is unsure if itself, designers didn't take it all the way, the legs and arms really aren't hidden or integrated all that well, and the bulk of the vehicle is taken up by the backpack. I guess it's a shark-looking sub with fins at the middle and rear, but it sure doesn't look like much of anything. Every turret rotates and has guns which elevate though. The orange color is an absolute eyesore, and the light-mint plastic & paint is yucky; the front of the sub has a big purple 'Con logo. The submarine's bridge should have been some sort of gimmick, even if it was just retracting or something. There are 4 peg holes on the upper hull, 2 of which are too close to the bridge and thus fairly useless while the other 2 are near the back and are actually screw holes as well; there's a pair of minicon hardpoints on the rear thrusters. Hyper Power Mode (HPM) here doesn't look as cool as I expected, and the missile triggers are VERY prone to accidental firings.

Transformation is boring and negligible, just pivot his arms up, fold his waist down, and move his backpack. I feel a little cheated here.

Bot mode has even more orange in play, figure is fairly good, solid humanoid design, definitely an acceptable soldier. Hips are on limited ball-joints, neck is on a limited ball joint, waist rotates, universal-jointed shoulders with an upper-bicep pivot, elbows and knees are hinges, ankles are also limited hinges. The spark crystal is located in the middle of the chest and is the only 'Con logo on the front of the figure. The face is lost due to it being very dark, with poorly-lightpiped blue eyes and a black mouthplate. The big black backpack of doom is almost as big as the figure itself and offers nothing positive without HPM. The most annoying feature are the thrusters attached to the forearms, they have big fins sticking out either side which get in the way of a lot of poses (in fact, the bigger of the 2 fins on either forearm is the one closer to the body!), the designers should have made these removable so they could act as handguns since figure has no real accessories (just 2 plain clear-blue missiles); Sharky can hold others' accessories no problem though. HPM in bot mode brings the massive missile launchers and their turrets into play, it doesn't look impressive but does give the guy some major firepower - you can also rotate the launchers around to become a makeshift jetpack.

Overall - I'd give this figure a 3 out of 5, he's ok but not great. His best attribute is he bolsters the under-represented Decepticon troops in this line. If either his colors or those crappy forearm fins were dealt with in the reissue, he'd be a much better figure.

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Slugslinger:

Alt mode is wild, a sleek, futuristic twin-cockpit future-jet that in some ways looks like nothing and in others is one of the best jets in recent years. The colors don't quite go together, what with gray, dark metallic olive, metallic blue, dark blue, black, orange, and clear yellow cockpits (the cockpits are really creative, with the canopy and seats being molded all in one piece), but they're muted enough to get along. The underside has 4 landing gear, the front 2 fully retract and the rear 2 fold forward but not into anything (which causes an issue in bot mode). There are 2 loose pegholes near the rear stabilizers, and a minicon point on each wing's turbofan top. Alt mode can be a bit delicate due to the way a few pegs hold major segments in place, but it holds together fairly well. Hasbro is a liar concerning this alt mode's HPM, there's no way in hell the 2 halves of the vehicle will stay level when split away from the center unless you have it sitting on a surface - if you ignore the official photos, the HPM has the halves dropping down to a vertical position facing belly to belly with a missile-launching gun in the middle.

If Slugslinger's transformation isn't the most complicated in the line, I'll be really surprised. There's so much panel folding going on here, you can actually lose track of what you've already done. The shoulders rotating around 180 degrees is quite creative, the overall transformation doesn't even change the locations of most of the parts yet still feels quite satisfying.

Bot mode is very nifty for the most part, what was gappy before is now whole, and the colorscheme remains essentially the same but there is a lot more gray added to the mix - it's a very robotic look. The face is a bit like Batman's Two-Face, one side is a regular eye and normal mouth expression, while the other side sports a more mechanical "monocle" eye and a big, open, teeth-gritting grimmace; the eyes are yellow and light-piped, but small compared to most light-piped eyes. The powerplant of the jet is now the chest, with the spark crystal right in the middle; the other faction logo is a small painted 'Con symbol is on the left shoulder. The figure sports standard head, limited universal-jointed shoulders with an upper-bicept swivel, hinged elbows & knees (and feet, but mainly for transformation), swivel lower thighs, and ball-jointed hips - and that doesn't include the various wings. The biggest annoyance are the shoulders - the jet thrusters sticking out the back of the upper arms, the wings on the shoulders, and the landing gear off the sides of the upper arms all can get in the way a lot of the time. While the figure's fists can hold accessories, the forearms are pretty tall and can get in the way. Slugslinger has forearm-mounted blasters, and the winglets on his forearms with big blasters, but no actual hand-held accessories. The HPM is a joke, not because it's not cool but because it's so mind-numbingly simple, just rotate the blaster hanging off the figure's back over his shoulder, that's it. The gun is cool by itself but also has a nifty projectile, it's more of a sensor really with a clear metallic-yellow dome at the tip covering the warhead, nicely sculpted.

Overall - Slugslinger gets a 4.5 out of 5, if not for his inherent floppiness and some shoulder limitations, maybe a pair of pistols, he'd be a 5. His wide, sleek alt mode is very cool, his transformation is impressive, and his bot mode is a welcome addition to the Decepticon ranks.

Adam
09-25-2004, 10:44 PM
I found something new. Sort of.

I found the TRU exclusive 2 pack Optimus and Megatron. $24.99 is not bad for what is really a $20 and a $10 to0gether, so I went ahead and got it. It of course had nothing to do with the fact that I went to six places this week, only to find out the had new stuff, and someone bought all the ones I don't have. Shoot me.

JediTricks
09-27-2004, 09:22 PM
Nice find, I cannot wait to get this set as I didn't bother with either Energon OP or Megs.

Adam
09-27-2004, 10:06 PM
Ah I was going to say you might want to consider this one, as its a pretty good price.

And I also found Wheelja-er Downshift on Saturday so woo hoo! :crazed:

El Chuxter
10-01-2004, 05:57 PM
My friends, I bring you. . . .

Windcharger! ( http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/energon/pl/PAGE.news/ID.1105/dn/default.cfm)

A far cry from the MiniCar with fragile wheels from two decades back, but do you see me complaining? :D

JediTricks
10-01-2004, 08:53 PM
These pics look weird to me, like they were fudging it or taking it with a weird cellphone cam, the gun is transformed wrong (no driveshaft even), and having the convertible top as a shield seems really silly ("I'll stop laser blasts with my cloth top which can barely even keep rain out of the main cabin compartment!" ;)) but this figure still looks like one of the best yet.

Picked up the OP vs Megs 2pack tonight, haven't even had a chance to open it yet, but glad to get it. I hit 2 TRUs and both had 'em, though one had 'em up above, I had to ask the guy at the help desk if they had 'em because I didn't see it.

JediTricks
10-03-2004, 04:51 PM
TRU OP vs Megs...

For some reason, it never occurred to me that this box was the same size as the box on regular OP & Megs, I guess because they're $40 and this 2pack is only $25. Inside is one of the worst tangles of twisties I've ever seen, and I collect Star Wars 12" figures posed on vehicles in window boxes! I guess part of that feeling comes from a lot of the twisties being inside the interior bubbles rather than all the way through the cardboard tray, makes it very hard to cut these things off - this is total twisty overkill. I don't have either full-sized version of these Energon figures, neither appealed to me, especially at their $40 pricetags, so this set filled the need for those leaders without breaking my wallet.


Megatron is a little cooler than I had expected, I definitely would have been honked to pay $40 for the full-sized version, but this one is nifty and I'm told almost as large. The alt mode is too thick and a little too much of a mish-mash to be totally believable, but it's not a disaster and quite well armed - the only thing I really can't get past is the head sticking way out the bottom. Transformation is pretty simplistic, but the trick for the feet and the slide-out chest sides make it satisfying.

Bot mode stands taller than I had expected, dwarfing the poor Optimus included in the set. MiniMegs could have better articulation though, it's ok (neck, universal shoulders, hinged elbows, forearm swivels, universal hips, and hinged knees) but bicep and thigh swivels would have helped immeasurably. The sword sheath should sit closer to the body, there's too much bulk the way it is. The sword is ok but there's no reason the bottom couldn't have had a standard peg molded into it, leaving this off so only the tank can hold it is unacceptable (the openings near the bottom can slip over a standard peg, but Megs doesn't have one near his hands).

The tank drone is ok, nothing to write home about, it's too big to make a reasonable sword-holder, I guess as a forearm-mounted weapon it's alright though - I prefer the forearms rotated fist-up so the tank is hanging down below.

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Optimus Prime is kinda silly, the fig is small even for an Energon deluxe figure, and in this set it's too funny to see Megs twice as tall as Optimus. Alt mode is a good representation of the original except for a gap in the side and the robot mode head(s) hanging off the back, though at least Optimus' face is rotated out of the way. Like Inferno, I wish the designers had made just a smidge more space on the underside, it could have very easily been stowed totally out of the way. The truck seems to be in the same scale as Tow Line, Rodimus, and Inferno, so it doesn't look terribly out of place with those alt modes even though it still looks like the runt of the litter. Transformation is fairly straightforward and simple except for freeing the arms from the rear truck section, I kinda fumble with the wrists until things get free.

Bot mode is downright shrimpy even though he's not much smaller than any other deluxe figure, I guess it's because he is Optimus Prime and not supposed to be this small - hell, he's actually TALLER than Armada deluxe Prime, yet because of the puny head and fat body here he seems less like OP. He's fairly well articulated for a deluxe (head, universal shoulders, hinge elbows, universal hips, swivel upper thighs, hinged knees, and hinged angles) though swivel upper forearm and/or bicep articulation would have really made poseability a lot better. As for colors, I would definitely had preferred the white chest area have been red, but can't win 'em all. The chrome bumper and grill part doesn't lock into the chest parts very well, so the chest is a tiny bit out of alignment. The figure has some nice sculpted small details, I especially like the underside of the feet and the tech bits on the chest behind the headlights. OP's pistol is ok, dark blue and pegs to the truck backpack for storage.

Some folks have suggested sliding the thigh covers down and rotating the backpack up to alleviate the "fattimus" effect a little, and they are right, but the designers could have almost totally eliminated the "fattimus" effect by using the foldy bits already included for powerlinking better: the backpack should have been able to slide up the back halfway to look like a REAL backpack and the panels holding the front wheels that can slide inwards in powerlinking should have able to slide in for bot mode as well.

Both powerlinking transformation schemes have some clever stuff, but the end results are not all that good. Powerlinked as pants, Prime is almost laughable, big hanging bits off the side and back, head up the wazoo.... It's actually better without a figure on top, looks more like a battle drone, maybe this is Proptimus Decoy and when enemies get close enough, he turns from robot decoy to muderous drone! YEEHAW! The chest panels become huge skirt pieces, might be able to put a minicon on there. Anyway, Tow Line looks best wearing the Optimus Pants, quite the armed maniac in this config really.

Powerlinked as a shirt, I don't really like this mode much at all. He slaps on the helmet for the bigger head and gets huge floppy shoulderpads with weird semi-arms, they're the regular arms that end in guns instead of hands now and hang down strangely.

Mini-OP is not a terrible figure, though if you are jonesing for more powerlink partners you may be disappointed. I like a lot of what's going on here, he makes me smile, but he's far from greatness. Go Proptimus Decoy!

Adam
10-04-2004, 07:41 PM
I recieved Shockblast, Cliffjumper, EE Ironhide, and Dreadwing today.

I heart Shockblast. Stands pretty well pointing his gun arm in any direction.

Cliffjumper's robot mode is... odd. The big feet are kinda goofy. I like him as a shirt though, haven't "pantsed" him yet though. :crazed:

EE Ironhide is of course exactly like Ironhide, so I won't say much other than I still like this mold a lot.

Dreadwing is a neat repaint, but I wish he was more grey like he is on the box..

kool-aid killer
10-05-2004, 01:54 PM
I found DeadEnd, Silverstreak, and Hound Alternators today at Walmart but passed on them because all of them were inside mangled boxes. Sucks too because i really wanted Hound but will just have to wait until i find a better one. Seen a couple of new Energon figures too. Almost grabbed Downshift but decided to hold onto the money in case something else should pop up later in the week.

JediTricks
10-10-2004, 06:57 PM
In the past month or so, my Decepticons have almost doubled, with the addition of Slugslinger, Sharkticon, Dreadwing, Shockblast, and Mini-Megatron, so yesterday, I got all my Decepticons and Terrorcons together and transformed 'em all into a group. What I noticed was, aside from the Terrorcons, only 1 Decepticon has any reasonable accessories! Starscream comes with a big blaster rifle and a sword, he is the only one with handheld accessories. Megatron has his silly-looking oversized tank drone, and his sword can only be held by the tank, so his fist pegholes are going to waste. IMO, this undermines the point of Hyper Power Mode, if they're always unarmed in bot mode, they'll ALWAYS need HPM which makes it a lot less special. I really wish they'd start putting accessories in with these 'Con figures, spending $7 for a Terrorcon just to give his specialized accessories to a Decepticon seems unfair to the buyer (and the Terrorcon).




I heart Shockblast. Stands pretty well pointing his gun arm in any direction.I picked up Shockblast and Dreadwing at TRU this week, so now I finally have something to relate to. :D

As for my Shockblast, he stands ok but definitely is risking falling, he kips over at the drop of a hat when on carpet or an uneven surface, unless the gun is pointed down, of course. I really wish the gun arm here weren't SO large, the gizmos on it look small by comparison and it's just way over the top. If the arm were 15% smaller or more, it'd be awesome. And if they can't bother to make the arm smaller, I would have liked a real arm inside so when you remove the gun, there's a thin robot arm that remains instead of a stump.

I also don't dig the treads' slider dealy, it feels cheap and last-minute. Finally, the upper torso tilts forward most of the time, it's a sloppy design at the hinge, and there's an unused slot that seems like it corresponds to the backpack which would have fixed this but got abandoned late in the game.

Ultimately, Shockblast is pretty cool, and I even like his satellite mode, but he's not the end-all be-all I was hearing about. He makes for a good addition to the group though, my Decepticon forces are really finally a menace to my Autobots.



Dreadwing is a neat repaint, but I wish he was more grey like he is on the box..I agree, the light blue they used instead isn't as cool. It is still nice though, very unified and more military than Mirage, and I like the patterns here. The grape-purple translucent plastic is a little odd, but it definitely doesn't fail the figure.

I do agree with you about the open hollow chest, this had NO reason to be this way either, could have designed panels or even filled the chest in with the speaker unit or something. Still, he looks cool from most angles.

I haven't made up my mind about the hull pieces, sometimes they look good down like the instructions suggest, sometimes up like the Minicon Terrordive, and sometimes removed entirely - too bad they didn't put handles inside, they'd make good shields. The arm that connects the hulls to the body seems to already be eroding the ball joint, I hate when this happens.

I like the Hyper Power Mode gimmics, but they're not really that exciting, Hasbro needs to stop hyping them like they're some amazing transformation. The main guns, those twin pop-up missile launchers, are shaped a little too much like those smaller tampon applicators, gives me a chuckle. :D

Did you notice the techspec card stats were all question marks? What's the deal with that?

Ultimately, I really like this figure, and definitely am glad I passed up Mirage for this color scheme instead, but the hollow chest and hull piece issues are sorta goofy.

JediTricks
10-15-2004, 03:17 AM
Spotted Alternators Meister & Tracks yesterday at Target, but only picked up Tracks. I hate the new windowless boxes, all of them had dust on the inner bubble and the logo smushed in slightly, it went from trick to crap lickety split. Some of Meister's panels are a different white from the others, like the smaller panel in the hood being off from the rest of the hood, the fenders being different from the doors, stuff like that - it was too noticable for me.


Tracks is a contradiction, on one hand he's super cool yet on the other he's frustrating as heck. The alt mode seems too narrow all around and the cabin is too tall, it is not a disaster but seems like the weak aspect of the figure. The overall feel is thinner and lighter, I wasn't too impressed with that. It didn't help either that I really don't care for the Z06 design, it's missing the trademark hatchback-style window or the older fastback shape; I much prefer the new C6 which is cooler and more aggressive, but none of this is Hasbro/Takara's fault except in choosing the lamer of the 2 Vettes. Finally, the paintjob is ok but kinda bland, Chevy has a version on the market with racing stripes, they should have gone there even if they won't do flames. The big white cylinders when you open up the doors kinda kill much of the interior's realism, but there are some interesting details there even if the dash is a bit plain. The front wheel turning dealy is probably the best one in the series, the wheels don't need magnets or anything, they just have arms which push against the opposing ones to cause the wheels to turn, the design actually is a floating style which works quite well and seems more realistic.

Transformation the first time was a real mess because nothing is terribly obvious, the instructions pass over a few things, and too many of the joints are way too tight. Once I got it all figured out, only transforming back has any trouble, where the hood meets back up with the body. I don't love this tf scheme too much though, the empty back and shellmastery feel just aren't that satisfying, and I still can't figure out why the steering column folds down.

Bot mode has some wild stuff going on, but frustrating too. The figure is well-articulated, but the majority of the arm joints are oddball that work fine but can get confusing, the leg joints aren't too bad except that the hips are limited in some ways and the ankles seem to only rotate, not tilt which it desparately could have used. Tracks is mostly shell pieces hanging off the body, worse even than SideSwipe in some ways, with the legs having a lot of big pieces hanging around and the back is loose and unsure of itself (like why are the seats moving at all if they're this limited). The figure is well-armed, with dual cannons sliding out of the forearms, but the articulated hand cannot close into a fist or even fully close around the gun (not that it needs to, it clips into place sorta), and the twin missile launchers on the back are nifty but hollow on exposed side and both are on arms that are too loose; the gun itself is kinda neat, but a cheesy looking engine. The figure leans forward a little too much for my tastes, and you have to fix this at the knees because the hips have some limitations and the ankles can't tilt (or they can tilt, but it's really minor), but once he's standing, he's armed to the teeth. Now if only he had more menacing enemies to use those weapons against. :D

Adam
10-15-2004, 11:09 PM
Er, well I didn't pose Shocky on carpet or uneven surface, so I never encountered that. On my shelf he is posed with his gun angling up above and between Starscream and Snow Storm.

I like both Mirage and Dreadwing with the panels up like Terradive. And I also now agree that Dreadwing's scheme is superior... just wish it was gray!

Tycho
10-16-2004, 12:19 AM
JT, so who's your favorite Alternator now?

Smokescreen?

I think he fills out into a robot nicely. I think Sideswipe is the coolest car - being a convertible too - something we didn't get in the Gen. 1 days.

Who's everyone else's favorite? Optimus Prime not included, as he'd beat everyone else without any doubt.


BTW: I've only seen Hound and Dead End and Silverstreak once down in San Diego. That's it!

We still have Sideswipe and Smokescreen hanging at Targets, Wal-Marts, and Toys R Us (especially as of late - they just got new cases of them).

I'd love to pick up Tracks AND Meister - these and Grimlock are the last 3 I plan to buy I think (unless there are jet plane Decepticons I can get).

JediTricks
10-17-2004, 10:31 PM
Smokey is the best detailed, his transformation uses the parts the most wisely and his face is less simplistic than the others. Plus, his torso is filled in and shaped with the front seats which is damn creative. I'm not sure he's my favorite, but he usually ends up in front of the others and always stands out. I like Dead End as a toy, he's the best vehicle mode, his transformation isn't as much a pain as SideSwipe's, and his bot mode is much more stable than SS. I really like how Hound's lower legs are done, best use of alt mode elements, but his crappy shoulders and lack of torso kinda do him in. I like Tracks a lot, but it's in spite of his issues. So it's a Sophie's Choice right now, I dig 'em all for different reasons, but Smokescreen taking the early lead. I'm thinking Windcharger may end up throwing a monkeywrench into the mix though.

Tycho
10-18-2004, 11:34 AM
Windcharger? He used to be a mini-bot. He's getting an Alternator form?

What will he be? What color? Any pics?

As far as I know the future of Alternators:

Tracks - blue corvette
Meister - white ???
Grimlock - white Mustang

Swindle - tan version of Hound for Decepticon
They have these Stunitcon names they can still use: Drag Strip, Wildrider, Breakdown.

JediTricks
10-18-2004, 10:01 PM
Windcharger will be a red Honda S2000: http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/energon/pl/PAGE.news/ID.1105/dn/default.cfm

Tracks is a blue Corvette Z06, Meister is a white Mazda RX-8, Grimlock is a silver Mustang GT, Ravage is a black convertible Corvette Z06, and Swindle is a yellow Jeep Rubicon.

Tycho
10-19-2004, 01:10 AM
Ravage was a cassette tape that turned into a panther.

If they HAVE to make him a car, couldn't they have made him a JAGUAR? (Pun Totally Clever and Intended) :D

- but I also AM serious too. It's just funny in addition to being practical.


Let's see now:

Subarrus - not too fond of them, but Smokescreen came out awesome.
Dodge Vipers - awesome cars!!!
Jeep Wranglers - very cool and fun.
Mazda RX-8? Well Meister looks cool - I've never looked at that type of car before.
Corvette Z06? OK. I think Corvettes are hot - used to like the ZR-1 though.
Ford Mustang - nice! I used to drive a 2004 for a while just a few months back.

I'm an SUV kind of guy though. I'd prefer a hybrid one - or solar power with enough juice for 4-wheel drive, but I like the passenger seating, the storage hauling and flat-bed capability (I use it to move large boxes full of Star Wars toys quite often actually - I have to have storage my collection is so large).

I'd love to see a

Toyota 4-Runner
Jeep Grand Cherokee
Range Rover
Ford Expedition

these are great candidates for:

Ironhide
MotorMaster (for a Decepticon if they have to :rolleyes: )
Trailbreaker
Ratchet
Maybe Brawl (Combaticon) or some of the Constructicon names
Red Alert as a fire chief SUV (more realistic than a Lamborghini for a fire car)
Inferno - same thing - if a car company would allow a municipal fire engine company to be suggested on their vehicle.

That being said, a Ford Escort or other Police Car option for Prowl.

But anyway, Ravage should be a Jaguar, dammit! :D

JediTricks
10-20-2004, 08:22 PM
Sorry Tycho, you're not the first one to make that "Alternator Ravage should at least be a Jaguar!" comment. ;) And why not really? They already have a Ford coming out as an Alternator (Jaguar is now owned by Ford).

RX-8s aren't quite as exciting as they should be IMO, they just don't look sporty enough to me.

I hate the Z06, I think it is possibly the ugliest Corvette ever. The C6 is way more awesome.

I cannot stand the upcoming '05 Mustang (should be released in a few weeks, I think), which is what Grimlock will be. I think it is one of the least-attractive pony-cars since the '70s model. Silver is its best color though.

I would like to see trucks and SUVs in this line, but only something really cool, not the same basic thing over and over. A Caddy Escalade would be a major seller, everybody loves that thing right now. As much as I might bag on it, the Chevy Avalanche would make a neat TF. I don't remember what the recent 4-Runners look like too well, but I'd include it because I remember them looking a little more different.



So, on the Energon front, Target is having a major sale, Basics are $4.88, Deluxes are $6.44 (I was SOOOO tempted to get another Tow Line or Slugslinger), and the rest is like 15% off. I picked up an extra Insecticon, but passed on everything else. I also picked up a non-repaint Ironhide on clearance for $10, but I really don't care for him too much, so I'm returning the unopened "Energon Ironhide" I had bought earlier to TRU for my $20 back. He looks way better than the original version, but the mold just doesn't do it for me and they didn't even fix the funky angle on the missile-launcher.

On Ironhide, I removed the entire electronics box, cut the wires and stuffed 'em into the collar that is staying on the figure, but left it so that the electronics box could actually be slid back onto the collar if I want to. Initially, I even removed the "neck" from the collar and screwed the plug directly onto the head, but this looked even worse than wearing the collar so I re-attached it. I put Ironhide and Prowl together with Ironhide as pants, with some fiddling it actually worked out pretty good and was TALLER than an Ironhide/Ironhide powerlinking. I haven't found anybody good for Ironhide in shirt mode yet though.

Oh, and I was mistaken about tiny Prime from the 2pack having no decent "pants" partner, Prime-shirt works surprisingly well with Prowl-pants I think.

Tycho
10-20-2004, 10:24 PM
I saw Slugslinger. Very cool looking. Wasn't he almost exactly the same before as a Target Master - back in the day?

I think they did a good job staying true to his character then.


I saw the Wheeljack replacement, Downshift I think? Looks very cool. I always liked Wheeljack's colors and look. One of my favorite transformers.

I also saw Hot Shot's new do-up. Very nice (in the Downshift assortment style).


It almost made me wish I was collecting these.

I also like how many Navy-type ships they are doing. Boats are something new for Transformers, at least compared to my day.

(geeze I sound like an old man)

:neutral:

Adam
10-21-2004, 05:08 PM
Who's everyone else's favorite?

Mine is Silverstreak.

I recieved the newest basic assortment from BBTS with has the first two limbs for Superion and Devasta... er "Contructicon Maximus" ;) . Here's the review I posted at tfans:

Received my shipment of these basics from BBTS today, I'll review them from my favorite to least favorite. These are based on just the figures themselves since I don't have a deluxe to combine them with.

First they all come with blue Energon chips, which in the show is "super" energon. They all come with blue weapons that also serve as the hands and feet of their repective gestalt. They can also be attached to the figures in vehicle mode.

Treadshot: Vehicle mode is very nice. Aside from the fists there's nothing that really scream out, "GIANT ROBOT!" The baby blue used works here, unlike on Landquake. It goes with the black really well, but then again, what doesn't? Robot mode is also very nice, and has very good articulation. Transformation is pretty simple so no new colors are introduced or deducted. His weapons are kinda weird, double sided blasters from the looks of it. But they look ok in robot mode. Attached to vehicle mode, they just don't look good. Overall a very solid figure. I was pretty impressed with it, seeing as how another Autobot basic, Skyblast, is less artitculated AND Treadshot makes a leg or an arm for Superion. I highly recommend this one.

Sledge: Again, vehicle mode is nice and not too far fetched at all. When I first saw pics of this one in bot mode, I thought: BRICK! But to my suprise, he is very well articulated. Even his waist is articulated, although it is vital to the transformation. The picture on the back is just terrible, but that shouldn't have been too suprising. I like how the Decepticon symbol is hidden in vehicle mode. This guy really is a robot in disguise. (Well except for the spark crystal I guess.) His weapons is for melee and looks like a fork really. It attaches to the back of the vehicle mode, and doesn't look to bad. Another highly recommended figure.

Sky Shadow: I like to call this guy Powerglide instead. This one actually has my favorite vehicle mode, because everything is well hidden. That kinda hurts the robot mode in this case though. I'm not a big fan of the "hidden fists" that some Transformers have. An Energon example would Starscream, but his aren't so bad. Anyway, like the previous two figures, Sky Shadow is also very well articulated. He also sports waist articulation due to his transformation. His weapon is a double barreled blaster, but its too bulky and doesn't look good. It does not look right attached to vehicle mode either. Still, I also highly recommend this figure.

Duststorm: If you think I'm going to get four home runs in a row, forget it. I don't like Duststorm. Vehicle mode is ok. I'm not a big fan of the colors, the blue doesn't match his contructicon brethren very well. It's kinda annoying that his hook doesnt move. Robot mode is a mess. It might just be mine, but the ball joints for his legs are very loose, and you can't position his crane arm without tipping it over. This figure also suffers from hidden fist syndrome. His waist is articulated though. That is good, because I do not like the chest they way Hasbro tf's this figure. I have the head and arms turned around and use the back as the chest. I just think it looks better. His weapons is a pincher that he can either hold in his hand, or at the end of his crane. I actually like his weapon though. In vehicle mode it also goes on the crane. I really can't recommend this figure just by itself. If you want to complete Devastator.. er "Constructicon Maximus" then it is recommend. However I would seriously consider buying doubles of Wideload though, since Duststorm's colors don't really sync up.

Adam
10-21-2004, 05:13 PM
Oh and there's some big hub-bub going on over these, the supposed first wave of Transformer Galaxy Force (Transformers: Cybertron in the states)

http://www.tformers.com/article.php?sid=3708&mode=flat

It feels like Energon just started to come out, and early next year these will already start hitting in Japan.

As for the figures themselves, I'm only really impressed with Prime, Jetfire (although his alt-mode is strange for him) and Starscream. Now, all of the new figures appear to have excellent articulation, but some of their bot modes don't look very good to me. It looks like the next line may actually be very much hit or miss for me this time.

kool-aid killer
10-22-2004, 12:58 PM
My favorite Alternator is Smokescreen. I dont own any of the others (with the exception of Sideswipe) so i didnt include them. Smokey has a better looking bot mode in my eyes and i like his colors.

Alt Ravage looks silly. The head just doesnt look right on the body. I think that one is going to stay on the peg when i see it.

Been seeing more and more new figures, some look good, others not so good. I will more than likely pick up five or so for my brother (Christmas is right around the corner) and just wait for Swoop and Grimlock for myself. Other than that im still scheming on how to get my hands on some G1 Dinobots.

Tycho
10-22-2004, 01:08 PM
There's a picture of Ravage as a Corvette Alternator somewhere?

Does he have a "Cat head?"

kool-aid killer
10-22-2004, 01:37 PM
Yep, hes got a cat head on top of a Tracks body, makes me cringe. Ive seen the pics on a couple of Transformers forums that i visit (2005boards.com and tfans.com) frequently.

El Chuxter
10-22-2004, 01:59 PM
What's with the hit-and-miss job on the heads? Some are dead-on replicas of the original G1 toy or cartoon heads, and some are so far off as to boggle the mind.

Swindle comes immediately to mind. Why doesn't he have a box head with big purple goggles?

JediTricks
10-22-2004, 09:16 PM
First off, using my $10 Energon Ironhide, I cut a 5mm hole in the bottom of the collar that goes around the head so I could plug the collar onto the back of the vehicle mode, it looks better this way, can't even see it from the front.


Second, I saw all those TF:Cybertron pics yesterday, they are amazing, this is the Transformers line I am most excited about. Everything just looks so much better than Armada and Energon, even RID in some ways. We've had Energon for a year next month, and with the cartoon totally screwed up by both the production company and Cartoon Network's horrible programming department, the toys starting to finish up their main run, the line seems to have already run out of gas. Here's my take on these Cybertron figures, which apparently use a "key" to activate extra features...

Optimus Prime - looks nifty, I dig the mouthplate gimmick, and I like the cybertronian look combined with RID homages. The weapon platform turning into wings and weapons for OP is a neat touch.

Jetfire - very very cool, massive cargo jet becomes a great-looking robot that harkens back to one of my favorite Armada figures. Seems like a "mature" version of the Armada/Energon character, especially the alt mode.

Hot Shot - vehicle mode is pretty slick, reminds me of Armada Wheeljack. Bot mode looks decent except for doors hanging off the forearms. Looks like the power-up is Hot Rod-esque wings, I bet they'll look neat in alt mode too.

Vector Prime - Ben Yee of bwtf.com says that's a take off on the Beast Wars Axalon, I sorta see it but it's been a while so I'm not that sure. No matter what though, this sucker looks awesome, great articulation, huge sword, even has a minicon weapon/jet.

Tractorman - seems to be suffering major kibble problems in bot mode, alt mode is not the type of tractor I was expecting. I'm not terribly impressed, though power-up weapon mode looks cool.

Blue Halftrack - looks kinda average, missiles are way too long, hopefully they can elevate or something. Reminds me a little of Armada Demolishor and more of his minicon Blackout, would have made a better Decepticon.

Green 4x4 - I kinda like this guy, bot mode has claws on one hand, is chunky but not suffering kibble-itis, and alt mode is like a mini-Hummer with lots of similarities to G1 Brawn.

Minicons - they look ok, colors are a little odd, but only the helicopter really looks like something interesting.

Megatron - I dig the 2 alt modes, very very cool, what RID Megs should have been instead of techno-organic. Bot mode is pointy and nasty but suffers a mishmosh look which is made worse by bad colors.

Thundercrackers - alt mode looks nice, I especially like the missiles, but bot mode has that giant oversized melon and claw weapon. Not terrible though.

Starscream- Holy crizap! Alt mode is awesome, best Cybertronian jet ever, shades of Energon Bulkhead's cheater legs though. Bot mode looks like an extension of Armada Starscream, except far far cooler. Power-up weapons are those spring-out forearm blades, those are pretty keen. Quite impressive.

Adam
10-23-2004, 01:01 AM
I just.. I dunno. Something I can't get into for a lot of them. Prime and Starscream are quite cool looking.. Jetfire too I guess.

The others.. VP does look neat, I just don't like his all gray colors.. I may wait to see the repaints for a lot of these before I buy the originals.

JediTricks
10-24-2004, 05:28 PM
Everybody has a right to their opinion, but I can't imagine looking at the last 4 years of Transformers, from Beast Machines through RID, Armada, up to Energon now, and not feeling like this is a significant step forward in the right direction from those. The more I see of this line, the more I think this is really "it", this may be the benchmark modern TF line.

Tycho
10-25-2004, 01:34 AM
Could somebody post a link (that works) or copy-paste the pictures up here - especially Prime and Starscream, please?

Thanks - Tycho.

plasticfetish
10-25-2004, 05:44 AM
Over here Tycho...

http://www.tformers.com/article.php?sid=3708&mode=flat

Though I'll admit that I've been getting a little more into some of the new things that I've seen lately, I'm totally ready for a new line. Armada and Energon really dulled my interest in Transformers, I'd love to see something a little more complex and a little less Tonka-rific.

Galaxy Convoy -- Very cool, a nice big hero robot. I can see the RID influence, a little G1 Prime as well I think.
Exhelion/Accelion -- Looks OK in robot mode. Vehicle mode still looks very "Armada" like, I dunno about that gun.
Dreadlock -- Yeah, that looks great. If I only get one of these, this will be the one.
Vector Prime -- There's no "robot" pic there, but the vehicle mode kind of reminds me of something from Beast Machines. (I'll have to find another photo.)
Guardshell -- looks OK in robot mode, but vehicle mode looks really lame.
Starscream -- Robot mode looks cool, but I'm not wild for that vehicle mode. I'd like to see some better photos of this one.
Master Megatron -- Well, from these photos, I either really like this one, or really hate it... I can't tell for sure yet. The color scheme is confusing, but it's just these pics. I dig bot mode, aerial mode is OK, and ground mode reminds me of the Batmobile. I'm not sure if I love that idea, but I'm really curious to see better pictures.

Very interesting... I suppose we'll have to wait and see. I kind of wonder if they aren't pushing this line out so soon, because they're trying to "clear the decks" for the TF movie toys that they're working on right now. At Comic-con, they told me that they'd be shifting all of their attention to that.

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Off this topic, but has anyone else gotten into the Transformers PS2 game? I bought it for PF jr. for his birthday, and we've both been playing it. Very addictive! Great fun to run/drive around as Optimus and blow things up. :)

darthvyn
10-25-2004, 04:18 PM
well, i FINALLY saw silverstreak at my walmart, so i'm going to have to start hunting for their next shipment... i need hound!!!

this wave now includes silvey, hound, tracks and dead end, right?

plasticfetish
10-25-2004, 06:33 PM
Mo' better Galaxy Force pics HERE (http://www.sgcollect.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=32567). They all look good to me. The metallic paint is great.

So is this a CG cartoon or what? (Not that it matters, 'cause CN will play it at 6am.)

JediTricks
10-25-2004, 09:00 PM
I don't know if Cartoon Network will even get the show, I suspect not actually.

As for the design, I don't know, everybody's raving about the studio that's making it, "Gonzo", but since I'm not into anime I have no idea what type of art it is.


Oh, and Landover there looks cool to me, a bulky bruiser of a bot with 2 really fast-looking alt modes.

Adam
10-25-2004, 09:02 PM
Off this topic, but has anyone else gotten into the Transformers PS2 game? I bought it for PF jr. for his birthday, and we've both been playing it. Very addictive! Great fun to run/drive around as Optimus and blow things up. :)

Yeah I got it back when it first came out, its a pretty decent game.

El Chuxter
10-26-2004, 11:59 AM
I got the freebie demo at the Comic Con and played it on my brother-in-law's PS2 that weekend. That game ruled! It makes me want to get a second game system for Christmas. :D

Adam
10-27-2004, 12:37 AM
Well I guess I should mention I got my PS2 because of the TF game.. heh. Mainly its used for DVD's though.

plasticfetish
10-27-2004, 04:06 AM
I got the freebie demo at the Comic Con and played it on my brother-in-law's PS2 that weekend.Yeah, we got that demo at Comic-con also and my son had been playing it constantly -- he freaked out when he saw the screens at the con. I wanted to go out and buy it the next day, but decided to wait until his birthday.

I'm glad it's fun. I mean, I'm really glad it's fun. I've gotten us other cartoon based games -- mostly those Gundam games that didn't exactly turn out as well as we'd liked (though the Gundam fighter for PS1 is pretty good.) The controls are a bit tricky to get used to, but we've both got it down now.

I'm still playing the Amazon area... love shooting down those drop ships.

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Anyway, I gave in and picked up Slugslinger today. I'm glad I didn't get it for the kid, because it's way too fumbly for him. I think bot mode is cool, but the vehicle mode is kind of lame and awkward. Nothing seems to fit together very well. Mmm... Sharkticon next I think.

JediTricks
10-28-2004, 09:14 PM
So get this, someone told me that in "TF: Galaxy Force", Master Megatron will have absorbed Unicron's powers. I mention this because as was pointed out at the time, in the figure photos that have just come out, you can actually see that his bot mode has elements that are reminiscent of Armada Unicron - the arms, shoulders, and shins are what I've noticed. This spin on the character definitely impacts what I think of the figure, some of the oddities make more sense now.

darthvyn
11-03-2004, 11:35 PM
i knew my patience would finally pay off... i hit the local wal-mart after work this evening, and scored hound, tracks, AND meister! they also had dead-end and silverstreak, but i'm not as interested in retools as in brand new molds...

awesome!

i'll report back with my feelings on these guys...

Adam
11-04-2004, 01:18 AM
I picked up Meister and Tracks.

JAZZ, despite looking similar to Smokescreen and Sideswipe in some respects, it pretty different. His head sculpt is GREAT, but I wish there was more room for it to move around. The hole is just a little bit too small.

Tracks is kinda kibbly, but looks good.

darthvyn
11-04-2004, 04:03 PM
yeah, i was going to bring up both of these points... i really like the way they did meister's goggles... not painted, actually blue tinted clear plastic...

meister is basically a more drastic re-tool of smokescreen/silverstreak... the new peg style connections to the tie-rods could've just as easily been magnets, but not a biggie... i think the way the arms come out and fold down independent of the front end/chest is more elegant - i always had a hard time folding smokescreen's arms out, what with his magnet brackets getting in the way. i always felt like i was forcing it. only gripe here is lack of space for the head... i feel like i'm scraping the hood with his chin to move the head around. i'm sure it's also because the neck joint is still stiff... once it loosens up a bit, i'll probably be alright with it.

tracks is pretty crazy... the legs were really stiff when i first popped them out. i like all the weapons he has, and the configurability of all the extra pieces. my only gripe is that he doesn't have ball joints at the ankles... other than that, i think this guy is a really successfull, very different transformation than the other guys.

hound is really cool, too... the chest cavity doesn't really bother me too much. the lack of arm manuverability is the only drawback to me... also, the legs/feet were hard for me to figure out (of course, it was like, midnight after working 11 hours... i wasn't all there...) but once figured out, i think his legs are the best of any of them so far... poseability par excellance. the ratcheted feet are cool, too.

of course, the car modes all kick major butt! the major suspension on hound, and the very well done interior on jazz (i mean, meister...) plus the great detail on tracks' engine are all major bonuses. i agree that they could've given tracks the limited edition striping, but i don't care that much. i can't wait for the next go-round!!!

EDIT: i forgot to add that i'm mixed on the new packaging... i like the red (ties in with classic line) but the no window/just bubble packing is kinda meh. i would've rather they just had the window and no bubble. whatever, not like i left it in the package longer than the drive home anyway! ;)

JediTricks
11-05-2004, 11:34 PM
Based on positive reviews of Meister here and abroad, I picked him up yesterday. He looks better in person, but still could definitely use some more color, especially around the midsection, and some pinstriping, and a spoiler. ;) I'm afraid Mazda's RX-8 just doesn't seem even a little sporty to me, I know it was a labor of love to save their rotary engine, but they should have made it a little "sexier" as the British would say.

My Meister has a wonky seat that makes up the left half of his torso, it won't go in as far as the other side - it's not a huge gap, but it's noticable. The way the doors work in alt mode is pretty neat (though the outer halves of the front doors are way loose on their sliding joint), I wish there was more of an engine, but the alt mode is pretty neat. Transformation is significantly different from Smokescreen, though I still haven't figured out what is going on with that underside panel at the feet or how the bumper should be (down or forward?), and transforming the arms back up is a pain because of lining the steering bar parts together. The weapon is cool, and you can fold the stock back in and have the gun become a shorter pistol, the trigger is facing backwards but the gun still fits in the fist fine thanks to the peg/hole system (though the peg and hole here are more trouble than on Smokey).

Even though his colors are bland, they make a great contrast to all the other Alternators figs making it finally look like a real team. I'd recommend Meister for sure, but not as an "exciting" toy.

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I also found TFU Nemesis Prime at Target, picked him up upon seeing him on shelves for the first time. Hasbro badly mistranformed him for the packaging, but that was nothing compared to the psychotic amount of twisties and clear-bands. Getting him out of the box was terrible work, even with a pair of wire clippers.

Shouldn't this really be "Nemesis Primal"? :D The colors aren't as bad as I was expecting in either mode, the tan is bad but more forgivable than the Armada Nemesis Prime figure. The figure reminds me a little of BW Primal, black with gray alt mode, lever-action gimmick, pop-out missile-launchers, even the tonfa remind me of the awesome skull mace on Primal.

Alt mode's paint has a few issues, mainly the silver paint lines not lining up, but the only thing that's noticably annoying is that the levers for the missile-launchers are not painted even though they're surrounded by a sea of silver; I dig the bloody tusks and red eyes, very nasty stuff. The trunk action gimmick is pretty stiff, I suspect if the plastic were warmed up, it'd be maliable enough to look even cooler than it already does. I like how under the trunk is an open mouth, good touch. Most of the panels aren't a problem except for the bot mode's forearm panel now on the right side of the figure, but with the scythe missiles loaded, the launcher panels doesn't want to totally agree with their surroundings. Still, overall, fairly solid for a shellmastery fig like this. Beast weapon mode is pretty lame, and I cannot imagine how they expect anybody to fire the missiles in this configuration.

Transformation is fairly decent, I can get it to and from without removing the big trunk/blaster stuff, I only have trouble with the mammoth's rear legs getting around when transforming back to alt mode, oh and the scythe launcher panels come off their posts every time now. Also, at first I didn't even realize the front mammoth leg shells plugged into the bot mode legs at top and bottom, instructions are pretty lame.

Bot mode is impressive although the head is a wee bit too big and the figure looks doofy with the big gun on his back, it gets in the way far too often. The various gimmicks are fun, but I loathe the dial that is supposed to fire the gun's missiles, this thing is awful to use. The "Dead Matrix Annex" is very nifty, and like most of the panels, there are great tech details sculpted on the interior of the chest cavity. Having the Maximal logo in the chest is too confusing for me though, if he's a baddy he SHOULDN'T be wearing that. The eyes should have been light-piped, as it is, you can't even see that they're translucent red.

All in all, this is one of the coolest figures in TFU, and I dig him more in this colorscheme than I would if he were simply another Optimus. Definitely worth getting if you don't have BW:Neo Big Convoy.

Adam
11-06-2004, 01:21 AM
Shouldn't this really be "Nemesis Primal"? :D

That's what I said!

JediTricks
11-07-2004, 09:15 PM
Really? I guess it just makes sense. It's worth getting, that's for sure.

Anybody have an opinion on any of the recent TFU figs? I've been seeing the boxed figures, specifically Soundwave and whatshisname, not sure if I want these or not.

Adam
11-08-2004, 01:24 AM
Nah, don't get Soundwave. He's extreme brickage and his colors suck. The Cyberjet is cool, but not $20 cool. Kinda wish I hadn't bought it.

I think the Cyberjet two-pack looks great though. Definately will get that one. And Swerve is pretty tame for a TFU repaint, and its looks decent. I may pick it up, but probably not.

Adam
11-08-2004, 03:05 PM
Ok, so I think the 2-pack IS cool. (Picked them up today.) I saw Swerve as well, but didn't get him. Kinda wish I had... when I got to the register and the jets didn't ring up with a price, and the toy manager gave the cashier the upc for an Energon basic! Oh well.

The Decepticon jet Wind Sheer matches colors with Space Case (the jet that came with Soundwave) pretty well. Makes them look part of a team. Autobot Air Raid shares some color with them, and makes me think of him as a former Decepticon who joined the Autobots, formally part of the team Space Case and Wind Sheer compromise.

I wish Universe had a monthly comic.

JediTricks
11-08-2004, 06:47 PM
Ouch, very nice price! Sounds like a good set. I haven't seen the packaging, carded or boxed?

kool-aid killer
11-09-2004, 02:10 PM
Anybody have an opinion on any of the recent TFU figs? I've been seeing the boxed figures, specifically Soundwave and whatshisname, not sure if I want these or not.

Meh! I have no desire to pick up TFU Soundwave. I gave the Machine Wars version to my brother years ago because i didnt really like the figure compared to the Beast Wars toys i had at the time. I like the tank mode, the bot mode just doesnt do it for me.

JediTricks
11-09-2004, 03:02 PM
Well, that's enough for me, I'm dumping the notion here and now. BTW, I just remembered, WM and Target each had Energon Omega Supreme on sale for $10 and $5 off, respectively. I'm going to wait for the repaint unless I find OS for half off or more like I did with Unicron.

Adam
11-10-2004, 06:40 PM
They are carded, JT.

Looks like Galaxy Force Master Megatron may not have the color scheme we saw before... and personally, I think this one looks tons better.

http://www.fantofan.jp/news/mag/newtype4.jpg

JediTricks
11-10-2004, 07:08 PM
The colored animation model for Optimus Prime had the same thing, those colors did not match the toys we've been seeing (OP animation model had a blue top of his head and the rest was red, his legs were just gray in the front, but the toy has a more traditional OP head with almost all blue plus some silver and yellow, and his legs are mostly blue with a splash of orange at the top), I suspect it happens because these animation models are early work or something. I heard the pics we've been seeing of the Megs toy isn't a prototype, it's a finished product, shipping next month in the Orient.

Adam
11-10-2004, 07:27 PM
That would suck because I really hate the Skybyte/Mirage scheme the other one has going on.

JediTricks
11-11-2004, 07:49 PM
It's supposed to be Megatron meets Unicron, and in that sense, I think it works except for the milky green plastic. Hasbro is generally afraid to release any TF with a subtle, 1-tone colorscheme (especially gray) because they're afraid kids will think it's too boring -- look at Energon, only Dreadwing has a reasonable colorscheme, and they changed him from battleship gray to light blue.



Hasbro put up another update today, dated "Nov 2nd"... riiiight. Anyway, I dub it the "Energon/Alternators Eyesores" update, all revisits:
http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/energon/pl/ID.1114/PAGE.news/dn/default.cfm
I find Sixshot to be hideous, Quickstrike is just not working for me, and I still don't like Battle Ravage's head (which is what makes him an eyesore).

Adam
11-12-2004, 01:12 AM
I know that about Megatron, but it doesn't mean I have to like it. :D

JediTricks
11-13-2004, 03:25 AM
YOU MUST LIKE IT!!! MEGATRON COMMANDS!!! ;)

On another note, I realized recently that TF:Cybertron looks like it may be more important a line to collect for me than SW next year!

kool-aid killer
11-13-2004, 01:10 PM
I finally seen a Energon Shockblast figure today at TRU. I was rather suprised to see him, so used to seeing Ironhides and Jetfires hanging around. His $15 dollar price (he was on sale) was enough to get me to buy him as a Christmas present for my sibling. Hes very cool looking, should my brother not like him (highly unlikely though) he will be sitting among my collection.

Adam
11-14-2004, 10:35 PM
YOU MUST LIKE IT!!! MEGATRON COMMANDS!!! ;)

On another note, I realized recently that TF:Cybertron looks like it may be more important a line to collect for me than SW next year!


:eek: Wow......

Tycho
11-17-2004, 08:30 PM
The Autobot Alternator Fan here:

I got Tracks today from Wal-Mart.

I like him. He's pretty sturdy and his shiny metallic paint is kinda cool.

His rocket launchers (over the shoulder) are cool and a nice harken back to the original Tracks.

I like the way he transforms.

Only Meister and Grimlock to go and I think I have all I'm going to be collecting - except who is the Honda? I think it was Windcharger, but I'm not positive. I "might" get him. It looks like I'll like figuring out how to transform him.

Anyway, that'll probably be it for me until they do Decepticons that are PLANES and to scale...

25th Anniversary Starscream - keep the dream alive!

Anyway, I like Tracks.

Haven't been sorry about the Alternators I've bought yet.

Adam
11-18-2004, 12:08 AM
Honda IS Windcharger in America. He is is Overdrive in Japan.

And it looks like Honda made Hasbro neuter Windchargers gun.


Oh, I got the Energon Grimlock/Swoop pack yesterday. Their transformations are pretty similar to their G1 counter parts. Swoop is the better of the two. The only thing that really bugs me is that he has no true hands like in the box art, and the flaps that prevent his legs from moving forward more. Grimlock is too short. If he was a little taller he would look more proportional and therefore better. I wish he had a gun, but the claws from alt mode make good hand weapons (think Wolverine) in bot mode. Wish his faceplate was painted like in the box art.

JediTricks
11-19-2004, 12:27 AM
I hope that's not true about Windcharger's gun, that thing was way cool!

Adam, I think you just saved me from buying Grimlock/Swoop there, I was already on the fence before hearing any reviews and your review touches on a few issues that bugged me from the photos alone.

Tycho
11-19-2004, 01:44 AM
What in the name of wanna-be-politically-correct is Honda doing asking Hasbro to not include a gun on Windcharger?

Are they serious?

What is this going to accomplish? Make kids less into violence because 1 Transformer doesn't come with a gun (it's a violent genre) or is it going to make more kids want to shoot people working in the corporate management of Honda?

I'm all for the latter. Can they do some kind of "free Alternator give-away" with proof of confirmed kill?

JediTricks
11-19-2004, 01:54 AM
I think Adam means that Windcharger's gun, which on the test shot included a long barrel made from the driveshaft, no longer has the driveshaft (which would explain why Hasbro's site photo has the gun all stubby like that - I was hoping it was a photographer's mistake).

Tycho
11-19-2004, 02:20 PM
I got Meister today in what was a pretty awesome day for toy hunting!

I picked up not only

Meister......but

1 Rabe
2 Senator Yarua
2 Pablo Jill
3 Sly Moore
1 Queen Theed Ceremony!


Anyway, onto my review of Meister - the first toy (and only toy) I've opened since I got home.


Mesiter is the most flimsy, cheaply put together Alternator I've ever handled!

This is not to say I don't like him.

Mesiter's Pros

4 doors open, including the reversed rear doors - very cool.
Very detailed interior.
Nice white, sporty color.
He rolls fast and his wheels hold his direction straight.
His Transformation is pretty cool and has some sort-of unique elements to it.
His gun is like the exhaust muffler in the back, instead of the engine like most Alternators.
The gun is an awesome long-barrel when it transforms in 3 or 4 steps!

Meister's drawbacks

Meister's right arm fell off while I was transforming him. It easily fits back into the plug, but this should never have happened.

The plastic is getting cheaper and lighter weight. Interesting after Tracks came out as such durable, high quality.

Meister's head is sort of inset, sort of like his head is in a turtleneck. It still rotates just fine - it's just that perhaps I just don't like this element of his design.

Anyway, the pros outweigh the cons and a nice bright white color is great to add to your Autobot car fleet.

I'm actually very glad I bought him!

Adam
11-19-2004, 09:54 PM
Adam, I think you just saved me from buying Grimlock/Swoop there, I was already on the fence before hearing any reviews and your review touches on a few issues that bugged me from the photos alone.

I would say pick them up if they're ever on sale. It's not a bad set, but like many things in this line, it could have been better. They're deffinately better than the Scavenger you picked up on sale. :crazed:


And yeah, that is exactly what I was refering to about Windcharger JT.

GALAXY FORCE REMOLD/REPAINTS! ARMADA'S REVENGE!

http://www.hlj.com/scripts/hljpage.cgi?TAK57669
http://www.hlj.com/scripts/hljpage.cgi?TAK57690

kool-aid killer
11-20-2004, 04:21 PM
My favorite Walmart had a ton of new figures. They had all the new Alternators too. I threw Tracks and Jazz on layaway along with various other Christmas presents. I briefly thought about picking up the bots that make Energon Superion but i held off. No sign of Grimlock and Swoop though. Some new TFUs also, but nothing that i felt like buying. Are these the final figures for this line or will we be seeing a couple more pop out before Cybertron premieres?

Adam
11-21-2004, 01:29 AM
We will see Energon through the spring.

JediTricks
11-21-2004, 04:48 PM
Tycho, I'm surprised to hear you bagging on Meister as cheap and flimsy, except for his shoulders and the floppy triangle hood panel, he seems about the same as the others. The right shoulder pops out on most Meisters from time to time, but apparently some folks had that problem with Smokescreen & Silverstreak as well.




I would say pick them up if they're ever on sale. It's not a bad set, but like many things in this line, it could have been better. They're deffinately better than the Scavenger you picked up on sale. :crazed: Ugh, don't remind me of that Scavenger, you're not exactly giving Grim/Swoop a lot of praise by that comparison. ;)

On Grim/Swoop, there are no accessories, right?



GALAXY FORCE REMOLD/REPAINTS! ARMADA'S REVENGE!

http://www.hlj.com/scripts/hljpage.cgi?TAK57669
http://www.hlj.com/scripts/hljpage.cgi?TAK57690 The remold of Blurr could be good, I may end up getting this if it comes out in the US. The remold on Cyclonus actually makes that one look a lot better, but I bet the legs are still just dangling kibblejunk so it's really unlikely that I'll bother. Hoist's remold might work, I'd have to see more of it to be sure, but I didn't care much for the original so it'll really depend on what's going on with the arms here for me to show interest. Sideswipe looks to be nothing new except for the engine block and paint, but if the bot mode has been changed enough, I'd get this one again.



Are these the final figures for this line or will we be seeing a couple more pop out before Cybertron premieres? After the 3 combiner teams, there will be Kicker w/ Highwire, Alpha-Q, and Grapple (or is his name "Roadblock" now? the bot that's a remold of Inferno), then it'll be coasting on repaints.

kool-aid killer
11-24-2004, 12:07 PM
According to twf2005.com the Alternator repaint of the Jazz mold is going to be recolored blue and will be Shockwave. Ive avoided Dead End and had no plans to pick up either of the other two Cons but im more than likely going to get this one. Im a sucker for blue cars, Shockwaves mug is icing on the cake.

Adam
11-24-2004, 11:48 PM
He's better than Ravage.

And you should get Dead End, he's really nice.

JediTricks
11-25-2004, 12:35 AM
Dead End is definitely worth getting, the vehicle mode alone is dang slick. Also, Target has Alternators on sale right now for $16 (IIRC) until Saturday and they had lots of him and Hound and other blue-box figs.


As for Alternators Shockwave, he's almost purple, it's an interesting idea but doesn't quite execute for my tastes. I'm not writing it off, but it's not love either. Oh, here's a gallery of pix: http://tformers.com/ig.php?mode=album&album=3873&dispsize=800&start=0


Picked up Energon Steamhammer, Stormjet, and Omega Sentinel at TRU (OS was $10 off so I caved).

Stormjet is really crazy to transform, this is a figure you'll need the instructions for PLUS some intuition as the instructions gloss over a few key steps. The peg that holds the torso to the waist doesn't seem to agree with the corresponding hole, the inner panels don't lock into anything (and the proto photo totally ignores them), the lower legs flop out of position pretty easily, and I'm like 95% sure that the knees are installed backwards. The blue light-piping looks very nice. I like the bot mode more than I expected, but the alt mode is pretty sad.

Steamhammer is almost likable, but has some real issues, plus there's a piece of flash between the treads at the end where the head is, I just cut it off, it's thick. Alt mode doesn't hold together very well and has some serious scale issues, but isn't terrible. Transformation is easier than it seems, and bot mode is better than expected (especially for a claw-hand, I usually don't go in for that). Articulation is nice, except for the head with no articulation at all. The purple light-piping for the eyes doesn't work very well but looks cool when you can see it. I like having the gestalt head mounted above the right arm instead of hidden behind, looks funny this way. A paint wash would REALLY do this fellow some good. My biggest issue is that the material feels a little cheapy.

Haven't opened OS yet.

Tycho
11-25-2004, 01:06 AM
I know I mada a big deal about this somewhere back in this thread, but I actually forgot:

Alternator Ravage will be a repaint of which car? Tracks?

ORIGINAL..................REPAINT

Sideswipe.................DeadEnd
Smokescreen............(Autobot) Silverstreak
Hound.....................Swindle
Tracks....................Ravage??? (Color?)
Meister....................Shockwave (what a stupid choice for Shockwave's character)
Windcharger............??????
Grimlock..................?????


Car characters from Decepticons that could be done: Breakdown, Dragstrip, Wildrider, Brawl (well, a tank is a land vehicle), Onslaught, MotorMaster.

Recommendations:

Breakdown could be a repaint of Windcharger I guess...
Wildrider should be the repaint of Grimlock unless they are going to do Ferraris

I wish they'd do Lamborghinis as well (and that Ravage was a Jaguar if he had to be a car).

Dragstrip and (Autobot) Mirage should be interchangeable, if not alternatively used for Blurr.

Wildrider could also pair up with HotRod (or Hotshot if they can't change the stupid naming rights back again).

Brawl and Ironhide could be done as Hummers or SUVs.

Onslaught and MotorMaster could both be Hummers, using both molds for Decepticons.

I might buy that.

Noting the list above, I've bought NO (Zero) repaints. DeadEnd is the most tempting, but I'll say this for the 9th or 10th time: I want JET PLANES for Decepticons, or at least a Tank for Megatron.

JediTricks
11-25-2004, 04:50 PM
Yeah, Battle Ravage will be a revisit to the Tracks mold. Windcharger & Grimlock don't have repaints yet that we know of, though someone at BWTF.com forums pointed out that Grimlock's body is a much better choice for this Shockwave than Meister's, and I could not agree with that more.

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So get this, I popped the batteries into Omega Sentinel and the sound effects are the Star Trek:TNG photon torpedo (OS's main weapon) and the Star Wars:ANH proton torpedo (OS's turret), they're the exact sounds too, not just similar, and O.Supreme has the same sounds.

O Sentinel is pretty neat, I like his transformation even if it is somewhat simple. The colors here are more unified but I wouldn't recommend this coloring over the original O Supreme, I'd say they each have their own charms so get which ever one you like best. I love how the stump under the minibot-formed head can slide up to reveal an actual face. The train part of the train/crane vehicle is cool but the crane itself is lackluster; I really like the naval destroyer in space vehicle though. The minibot kinda sucks, nothing locks in place and his joints pop out easily, and the orange color he has is not flattering.

I don't have regular Optimus Prime, but I did figure out how to get TRU-exclusive deluxe-sized Prime into the big OS without having him slide around loose: transform Prime's legs but leave his arms & rear truck half where they are, then slide the leg covers down, fold the feet down, bend the knees back, and put this contraption inside half of OS, then close the other half onto this. It's not loose or terribly gappy, I like how it looks, better even than the normal Prime in there because mini Prime's head and upper body actually stick out higher than normal prime.

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I have more updates on Steamhammer & Stormjet.

Steamhammer has an assembly mistake on his treads, there's a tab on each that is supposed to lock the treads into the hip panels in bot mode, but the assembly had the treads reversed so the tabs were at the head-end making them useless. They're very easy to swap, just 2 screws on each.

Steamhammer's alt mode isn't as floppy as I thought, he was simply mis-transformed in the packaging. His alt mode seems small but it's really about the same size as the other deluxe Decepticons if you take his bulk and big shovel arm into account. I really like his transformation scheme, it's not terribly complex or uses any slick tricks, but it's neat and not simplistic at all. The panel behind the head actually locks into the back of the head when everything's aligned properly. The purple light-piping really looks sinister and cool and once you get the right angle it isn't too dim. Gestalt mode is also nifty, the instructions make the transformation look hard but it's actually quite clever and pegs pretty solidly. Note to Autobots: attack "Construticon Maximus" from the left, he's totally blind on that side thanks to his big shoulder! ;)


On Stormjet, the instructions also neglect to mention that the black panels should be covering the hip joints in vehicle mode. I'm quite confident these panels should be covering the hips, they have intakes sculpted into the front which can't be seen in any other position of the panels, and by filling in the middle of the fuselage, they give the plane a sleeker look while covering up an ugly gap.

Filling in that gap definitely goes a long way to salvage my opinion of the vehicle mode, it gives it a sense of wholeness in the middle that was sorely lacking. The vehicle mode still has issues, like the funky gap between the engines and the body (worse than on Scorponok's jet mode even) and the unattractive winglets near the front, but it seems a lot more respectable simply by having those panels fill in the midsection. Alt mode is slightly bigger than Starscream's even though I've heard folks say Stormjet is smaller than a deluxe. Transformation is not bad, but transforming back can be a pain the first time. Gestalt mode isn't as nice as Steamhammer's but it's not bad.

Two major assembly issues here, Stormjet's thighs AND knees are both installed backwards, comparing the US version to pics of the Japanese version confirmed my suspicions. The knees are supposed to bend fluidly, but the US version is assembled with the angular stop in the back instead of the front and the curved part of the hinge uselessly in the front. The thighs are supposed to have the angled pegs on the outside so they lock the thighs into place in gestalt mode, but the US one has them inside so they hit against the crotch piece and leave the legs at a permanent spread.

The fix for both leg issues is not hard, just a small screwdriver and about 10 minutes of time - remember while you're doing this to keep track of which screws go where, there are 2 or 3 different sizes. Remove the lower legs (the halves fit on a central pin, you might need a little extra pressure to separate one side from this pin) and set them aside, then take the thighs apart off the hips (make sure to keep each thigh's ratchet spring assembly from popping out, it didn't give me any trouble though) and swap them, then rotate the knees and reattach the lower legs onto their interior part's pins making sure the kneecaps face the angled part of the knee hinge instead of the curved part, then finally just screw everything back together.

Adam
11-27-2004, 06:33 PM
Whilst looking for Stormjet and Steamhammer, I saw OSentinel at TRU.. they had gotten about 10 cases too. No OSupreme's in sight.

plasticfetish
11-28-2004, 06:01 AM
Spotted some Combiners at TRU last night. I saw (that I can remember now) Duststorm, Sledge, Storm Jet -- and probably a few others, and I like what I see. (Wish I'd grabbed Storm Jet now, I think I will next time.) These combiner sets are gonna suck me back in... not sure if I can afford it. :rolleyes:

We picked up the TRU Optimus/Megatron box for the kid's birthday, and it's turned out to be a fun set. (I may grab one for myself now. I dig the Hotshot/Optimus combo.)

The kid's getting Omega Supreme for X-mas, so I'll have to wait to see for myself how that plays (kind of looking forward to it.) I'm thinking about grabbing Omega Sentinel for me later -- haven't seen it firsthand, but I really dig the colors.

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We're still playing through the Transformers (ps2) game. I just beat Starscream, and now I'm getting thrashed by Cyclonus, (stupid helicopter robot jerk! :mad: )

JediTricks
11-28-2004, 07:27 PM
I would suggest Omega Sentinel if you can find him on sale, $10 off or more, but I definitely don't think he's worth $50 plus tax, especially if your household already has O.Supreme. O.S. is the same exact height as the Unicron figure, I definitely wasn't expecting that, so they compliment each other quite well for play options.

Glad to hear you like the TRU set, I too am quite fond if it, a real bargain, saved me from wasting $80 on full-sized OP and Megs.


Check it out, Alternators Grimlock will be repainted into... Wheeljack!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=753&item=5938687740&rd=1

I'm not sure what to think of this, I'm fairly confident this one isn't a phoney, it looks like a test shot, and I like the head, but I think I would have rather seen Wheeljack's head on the Meister body (with a Wheeljack paint job and the new body panels that Shockwave is sporting).

Adam
11-28-2004, 10:51 PM
It's better than Battle Ravage...

JediTricks
11-29-2004, 09:37 PM
It's better than Battle Ravage...
Wow, glowing praise. ;)

Tycho
11-30-2004, 12:15 AM
HELP ME MAKE A DECISION:

I am very much into not buying repaints....

I like Grimlock's paint scheme much better than that Wheeljack JT just showed us. It actually is nothing like the orange and green colors Wheeljack should utilize!

I wanted Wheeljack as one of my top characters I wished to collect from TF's:

! Optimus Prime
Bumblebee
Ironhide
Wheeljack
Ratchet
Prowl
Sunstreaker
! Sideswipe
Mirage
! Hound
! Jazz (Meister...whatever)
Hot Rod
Kup
Blurr
Springer (if he triple-changes, if possible, helicopter definitely)
RC
Ultra Magnus
Wreck-Gar
Inferno
! Tracks

Megatron
Starscream
Thundercracker
Skywarp
Cyclonus
Scourge
Galvatron (I guess)
Soundwave (if he could be something he turns into an accurate scale for)
Shockwave (ditto)
Ravage - if his robot mode is a panther
Laserbeak - if his robot mode is a bird

Now I could go for Alternator Insecticons that are vehicles which turn into bugs, etc.

Other things along that line...


If you only bought one WHEELJACK or GRIMLOCK, which would it be? Why?

Adam
11-30-2004, 12:54 AM
I am very much into not buying repaints....


... why?

I can name about 50 tfs from Generation One that were repaints/remolds of previous toys. On your list you have Ironhide and Ratchet. They are practically the same, except for their colors, small details, and how their characters were portrayed. If they made them Alternators, there is a good chance they could be the same mold. And you have first three seekers on there! They are identical except for color schemes!

To me, the character is more important than whether or not I've bought a mold once (or multiple times..) before.

So what if its a repaint of Grimlock? It's not Grimlock anymore, its Wheeljack.


Anyway off that subject.. I wonder if this has occured to any one. We all thought Dead End was Sunstreaker when we saw its proto. What if this IS NOT Wheeljack, but a Decepticon..

Adam
11-30-2004, 01:00 AM
If you only bought one WHEELJACK or GRIMLOCK, which would it be? Why?


I don't think you should even worry about that untill you see Wheeljack's final paint scheme. It could change.


One more thing. I saw this on TNI. Scan from Dengeki ( I think) magazine in Japan for Galaxy Force. For some reason these pics look better to me. I DIG Vector Prime in white. Thundercracker also doesn't look as bad here. I am starting to get excited about this line now.

http://tformers.com/ig.php?mode=album&album=3884&dispsize=800&start=0

El Chuxter
11-30-2004, 12:14 PM
Okay, off topic.

Lee's has a picture of a new Grimlock and Swoop that look similar to the G1 versions. Anyone know what these are?

Adam
11-30-2004, 01:51 PM
Okay, off topic.

Lee's has a picture of a new Grimlock and Swoop that look similar to the G1 versions. Anyone know what these are?

I know what they are, since they are sitting on my shelf over there. :D

They were originally created for Transformers: Universe. However, Hasbro decided that TFU would be a strickly repaint line, and that a new molds would sell better in the main line anyway. So it was moved to Energon and is available now.

El Chuxter
11-30-2004, 02:06 PM
Interestin'. I've not seen them yet, but will keep my eyes open. I thought Energon already had a Grimlock, though.

Adam
11-30-2004, 04:11 PM
Nope, last time Grimlock was used in the main line was in RiD (Robots in Disguise) a few years ago. It was a totally different character though, and was a construction crane. Part of the Autobot Construction combiner team, or just build team. (Which will, btw, be available once again through TFU. Except this time its a slick Decepticon Devastator homage.)

Grimlock was used with last years Wal-Mart exlcusive Dino-Bot 2-packs. (Sadly, I never found that Grimlock and Swoop two-pack.)

The newest version for Energon was just released. I commented on them last page, but I will reiterate: Grimlock's dinomode is an almost perfect update. It is more poseable, but the head is a litte too big. It's too big, because inside is the 2nd for the combining gimmick. The Combo doesn't look good, I wish they would have just concentrated on them as individuals. Anyway, Grim's bot mode is too short, Swoop end's up being taller. His legs are not articulated enough as well. Swoop is the opposite, his Dino mode is not that great. His robot mode however is great, and can only be improved with removing the flaps that prevent his legs from moving forward, and giving it fists. As it is, he just has claws for hands. The art shows him with fists. :( They come with no weapons, which really sucks. Grimlock's feet claws can be used as Wolverine (or if you're into current marvel stuff, x-23.. *shudder*) like claws. Overall I like the set, it could have used some improvements though.
I recently found out this figure was developed exclusively by Hasbro. Takara had nothing to do with it.

JediTricks
11-30-2004, 09:32 PM
HELP ME MAKE A DECISION:

I am very much into not buying repaints....

I like Grimlock's paint scheme much better than that Wheeljack JT just showed us. It actually is nothing like the orange and green colors Wheeljack should utilize!

If you only bought one WHEELJACK or GRIMLOCK, which would it be? Why?First off, this is almost certainly a test shot, so the final paint job may be much closer to Wheeljack even though I believe this *may* be an actual official Ford paint scheme.

Second, I would go with Wheeljack, I don't like the new Mustang even a little, but I like it better with the Wheeljack head inside. However, if you like the color of the car, Grimlock probably is the way to go since the whole thing is really designed around him.



I wonder if this has occured to any one. We all thought Dead End was Sunstreaker when we saw its proto. What if this IS NOT Wheeljack, but a Decepticon.. I wouldn't think that's too likely, I heard Dead End was planned to be Sunstreaker but when everybody was complaining about the lack of Decepticons in the line, they changed him to a baddy. Plus, G1 Wheeljack is a way bigger character, I don't think they'd risk alienating buyers by putting that head on a 'con.

darthvyn
12-03-2004, 07:56 PM
i really wish that shockwave was really purple... there are a few shots that look like he's got a pantera chroma-shift paintjob that goes from blue to purple - look at one of the close-up head shots and you'll see what i mean. i just don't hold out too much hope that it'll end up that way in production, if it isn't just a trick of lighting.

the head looks awesome, and i love the fact that they gave him the gun barrell hand! just... PURPLE, MAN. PURPLE!!!

i like the gt350 paintjob on the wheeljack 'stang. looks like the old shelbys. we'll see what transpires with this one... i think orange and green would be hidiousityness, but that's just me. it's funny that they gave him a sword because grimlock has one. couldn't fit ANYTHING else wherever it goes, hasbro?

when are they gonna make alternators perceptor? i hope they do the new olympus upright microscopes BX51 (http://www.olympusmicroimaging.com/index.cfm/page/products.index.cfm/cid/449/navid/172/parentid/7)!

JediTricks
12-03-2004, 09:37 PM
Perceptor?!? He'd be the size of SideSwipe's emergency brake lever. I want an Alternators Megatron tank and Starscream fighter jet first before we get into that area.


Another thing I noticed that may have been wrong on the assembly of Energon Stormjet is the upper arms, there are chevrons and a general shape sculpted onto one side of each upper arm, but the assembly has that side facing in so it can't be seen except when the figure is raising his arms - I'm not ready to make the jump to tapping out pins, but I've already taken 2 different sections apart on just this figure so far.

darthvyn
12-04-2004, 04:29 PM
wow... i guess it was a bad joke? i thought it was funny... i mean, perceptor was such a lame guy. really, a MICROSCOPE??? sure you could kinda change him into some sort of tank-like vehicle, but i mean, c'mon! how big is a tank gonna be that comes from a microscope? unless it's an electron microscope or something, those are huge...

JediTricks
12-05-2004, 03:14 PM
*phew!* I was going to ask if you were joking, but felt if you were actually saying it here, you wouldn't want to be insulted that way. ;) BTW, there is some guy who photoshopped a digital camera into a transforming robot (I'd say "into Reflector", but Reflector was 3 guys), and another who made a CD boombox into a robot (I'd say "into Soundwave", but Soundwave is WAY too cool for that insult) so there are people out there who want to see this sort of thing.

Tycho
12-05-2004, 04:03 PM
I like to pretend my Transformers are real - that is real to their scale. Hence I collect Alternators because the other neon Universe and Energon stuff is a bit over the top for me. I was originally a G1 Fan because they kind of looked real (aside from the Decepticon's choice of paint decales).

So I would not like to see stuff like Perceptor, Soundwave, Megatron, Shockwave, etc. unless they can turn into stuff that's on scale to the Autobot Alternator cars - and assume robot forms that are on that level.

Obviously it's fine for Stunticons and what Combaticons they can do (the Spaceshuttle would be ridiculous as an alternator even if it were to scale and huge).

So if they can do military hardware: Hummers, scale F-15, F-18, F-14, etc. and military armored transport trucks (missle carriers, like Onslaught), I'm all for that. Once again, I was only half-joking when I suggested they do Decepticons as environmentally damaging things such as off-shore oil platforms, drills, etc., construction vehicles (Constructicons), those sort of things.

I collected again because I have high hopes for a Transformers motion picture that was rumored, and I'd know I'd want action figures, but high quality stuff and not the mass-produced movie- promo stuff Hasbro would be sure to put out. As long as the characters stay true to the G1 cartoon, I could really enjoy the movie. It would seem logical that they'd use 2005 cars for the movie when they film it, as they'd be readily available and the logical thing for the Ark computers to rebuild the Autobots into when they crashed on earth (if the G1 legend is resurrected for the plot).

JediTricks
12-12-2004, 11:43 PM
I found the first 4 basic gestalt limbs this weekend, Sledge, Duststorm, Sky Shadow, and Treadshot. I had been waiting for these for a while, I think Hasbro is nuts to release these without their repainted versions. I hate to say it, but I am not liking these gestalt robots, Constructicon Maximus and Superion Maximus (man are those lame names) just don't look that good to me, which is strange because I like all the individual figures that make them up, even Duststorm despite his many issues. And it's not just the Energon hands and feet which look like neither, it's the way the whole thing looks together, the way the figure has to stand with the legs spread apart, the way the connection joints get funky... the gestalts aren't terrible, but they're more a bonus, a fun extra mode rather than a main reason to enjoy these toys. That's the thing though, at $7, I can't get enough of those 2 basic jets, these are some great Transformers by themselves.

Adam
12-13-2004, 10:00 PM
Except for Duststorm, they're all pretty great.

JediTricks
12-17-2004, 12:47 PM
Duststorm definitely has a lot of problems, and his colors add to his troubles.

Sledge is ok, not really my thing in some ways but still fairly good, I wish his weapon had a regular peg on it somewhere else so it could be held as a gun as well as a fork weapon.

Treadshot, who probably would make more sense with the name swapped with Sky Shadow, reminds me in some ways of Beast Machines Jetstorm, but he also seems like a great little average grunt, simple robot guy with almost no vehicle mode kibble anywhere. His weapons annoy me in vehicle mode, but I like them in bot mode, either together as a twin weapons platform, or separated, with one flat pegged to the underside of his fist like a long tonfa, and the other with the rear barrel angled up 45 degrees and the small platform in front like the bottom of a rifle - the little tab even folds down to be a trigger guard.

Sky Shadow is my favorite, his vehicle mode is really neat, his transformation is quite clever, and his bot mode has fantastic articulation and good humanoid dimensions. SS's colors and A-10 design make him likely an homage (or perhaps an accidental homage ;)) to G1 minibot Powerglide. The weapon is kinda a dud in alt mode, looks ok as a gun, better as a shield, and nifty as a skyboard.


So, anybody heard about the Masterpiece Optimus Prime being repainted as Ultra Magnus sans trailer/armor? I think it's nutty, but if they had made the giant robot armor, it would have been quite an amazing set.

El Chuxter
12-17-2004, 01:10 PM
I stopped by Wal-Mart (in Moreno Valley, CA) earlier, and who did I see? Grimlock and Swindle staring back at me! Oh happy day this is, celebrating Christmas a few days early with my present to me. :D

Grimlock has a sword! I didn't know that. Very, very cool.

Tycho
12-17-2004, 06:13 PM
I realize that they love to re-use molds and make twice the money on them, but repainting the 20th Anniversary Optimus Prime and calling him Ultra Magnus is NOT cool.

1) Needs the car carrier trailer
2) The trailor needs to transform into the armor
3) The head has to be Ultra Magnus' not a Prime repaint
4) They'd have the opportunity to do an awesome transformation technique here if only they get creative and make the trailer permanently attached to his body and part of the transformation and not an add-on to it.

If the car carrier could tow alternators, how cool would that be?

Anyway, I'm also all for Magnus getting a realistic color scheme (in line with tradition) but use a darker blue instead of that turquoiz light blue, and if they make a white cab, make it silver-steel or "simulate it being dirty," to keep with the realism on the Alternator line.

I'll keep my eyes open for Grimlock I guess. Still might skip this figure until I can get Wheeljack.

Main Autobot CHARACTERS:

Prime
BumbleBee
Ironhide
Wheeljack
Jazz (Meister)
Prowl
Mirage
Sunstreaker
Sideswipe
Smokescreen
Tracks

Hot Rod
Kup
Blurr
Springer
Ultra Magnus
Arcee
Wreck-Gar
Rodimus Prime

DEPECTICONS ARE JET PLANES (land vehicles are combiners!)

kool-aid killer
12-18-2004, 01:14 PM
In the Transformers comics, specifically the "War and Peace" G1 series, it is revealed that Ultra Magnus looks like Optimus Prime when he is out of his armor, but with a white color scheme. So the repaint of the 20th anniversary Prime is correct. I think Ultra Magnus is okay, but i wont be getting him.

Went to a TRU yesterday, and it seemed like Energon was flying off the shelves. Lots of empty pegs. As usual, the reissues were still well stocked.

kool-aid killer
12-25-2004, 03:28 PM
So did anybody get any Transformers this year? I managed to get two figures: Universe Nemesis Prime and Alternator Hound. I like N. Prime, his beast mode is cool and he doesnt look bad in bot mode either. Im glad he wasnt sold as Optimus Prime, my Predacon ranks were in great need of another heavyweight so Nemesis fits in nicely. Hound was a figure i had to resist getting because i pretty much knew someone would get him for me as a gift. I really like his vehicle mode a lot, bots not too shabby either. I may have to bend and get a Decepticon, my Autobots look really lonely without anybody to stomp on.

Tycho
12-26-2004, 01:41 AM
Don't do it! Transformerism was once a proud religion!

It's tenats include:

Decepticons are not automobiles unless they are combiners!

Onslaught
Swindle
MotorMaster
Dead End
Breakdown
Dragstrip
Wildrider

are the only Decepticon "cars / trucks" possible - and they ought to be combiners if they're done.

In our RELIGION, real Decepticons are Starscream (a fighter jet) and Megatron a handgun that really shrinks in weapon mode and grows to become a robot. Obviously, a tank or some kind of military hardware is the best substitute form for Megatron, and probably Shockwave and Soundwave as well.

I'd accept Ravage as a car, especially a Jaguar-brand, but he should transform into a jungle cat and not a robot.

So far, what Alternators has proposed for Decepticons (Swindle and Dead End) have been seriously cool. Cooler than having Grimlock turn into a Mustang. (The Mustang should have then turned into a T-Rex, and forget a robot mode - Grimlock never liked his robot mode anyway).

Anyway, that's all the prostelitizing I can do at the moment.

kool-aid killer
12-26-2004, 12:38 PM
I believe there were two Decepticons that transformed into cars, Runabout and Runamuck. Would they be okay if they came out in Alt form? They are somewhat obscure characters, but they do fit as automobile Cons. Speaking of Alt Grim, my older brother gave my younger brother one. I was suprised Grim had hit Omaha already, im going to have to go out and hunt tomorrow.

Adam
12-26-2004, 05:09 PM
Suprised no one mentioned this, although it is still rumor at this point..

http://www.seibertron.com/news/view.php?id=4418

Tycho
12-26-2004, 11:55 PM
YYyyyyaaaaaaaaa
aaaaaAAAAAAAAAaaaa
aaayyyyyyyYYYYYYYY!



And they were shown plans for Alternators 2005. Among them: "Suzuka Blue Metallic" repaint of Windcharger. No word on the identity and a deep red pick-up truck. No word on the make or model of the truck
This has to be IRONHIDE! It has to be! Yes!!!!


And plans are being made to expand the line to the $30 price point with 1/72 scale aircraft. Average wingspan/rotor 8-10 inches.
Whoa! Cool! Will this mean the jets will be in scale to the Alternator cars and 20th Anniversary Optimus Prime?

Starscream? Starscream? STARSCREAM????!


YES!

Adam
12-27-2004, 12:39 AM
I too think the red truck will be Ironhide.

JediTricks
12-27-2004, 10:25 PM
No TFs for me for xmas, but I am glad you got and enjoyed TF:U Nem Prime there Kool-Aid. I agree, my Pred forces needed some bolstering and having yet another Optimus figure would have been too much for my tastes.

I would definitely recommend Dead End for an Alternator Decepticon, great use of the SideSwipe mold and a cool figure in its own right. I still haven't decided if I want Swindle, Battle Ravage, or "Shockblast" (yes, the American packaging is up on the web, his name is "Shockblast" even though his license plate refers to Shockwave), but Dead End works for me.

As for the rumor, it's just rumor for now, like the Bumblebee rumor last year, I won't believe it till it's been confirmed in some way.

Tycho
12-27-2004, 10:48 PM
I read about that BumbleBee rumor on several different Transformers websites I checked out from you-guys' links.

The gist is that German automobile manufactureres, namely Volkswagon and Porshe, won't allow their vehicles to be turned into "war toys."

OK, is this in response to the war with Iraq and Germany's opposition to the US invasion?

Or is this in response to post-Hitler Germany not condoning war, period? (The philosophy extending to these German car companies, as I doubt it's national policy, just maybe national public relations).

So what are they worried about? Adolf Prime saying "Fourth Reich: Transform and Roll Out!" ???

Next Ferarri and Lamborghini will be saying "no" dus to fears of Musoligatron saying "Deceptifascicons: Attack!"

Yet no one from Yugo will protest if Hasbro makes one of theirs an Autobot...

kool-aid killer
12-28-2004, 01:12 PM
I think a truck that transformed into Ironhide would be cool. But as its only a rumor i wont expect it to be him until i see some photos. Does anybody remember seeing photos of a car (i believe it was a mini cooper) that was rumored to be a future alt? In bot mode the figure had a shield attached to one of its arms, if that helps. Was it going to be an Alt or was it just a hoax? I havent heard or seen any pics for a while so i was just curious. I do plan on picking up Shockblast, but im undecided on Dead End. Ive actually thought about picking one up and repainting him yellow so that he would look like Sunstreaker instead. Lack of painting skills has kept me from doing so.
But if planes are planned (which i think would be cool) then hopefully Hasbro will recolor Dead End yellow and push him as Sunstreaker, saving me from giving him a bad paint job.

JediTricks
12-28-2004, 08:42 PM
I know what you're talking about KAK, it was a blue Mini-Cooper bot, apparently it was from a British ad for the car and rumors mixed with that photo to create confusion. The bot design was a little different from current Alternators aesthetic, but hardly outlandish.


Tycho, I don't think that thing about German auto makers is entirely accurate, Daimler-Chrysler licensed the Dodge Viper to the Alternators line already.

El Chuxter
01-05-2005, 12:08 PM
I found Windcharger last night at Target! Woo!!

And I'll go out on a limb here and say if the rumors of planes are true, I hope the repaint favor is returned to the Autobots. I'd like to see updates of Powerglide, Jetfire, Silverbolt, and Slingshot.

JediTricks
01-11-2005, 09:59 PM
Picked up Highwire & Kicker and Barricade at Target yesterday...

Energon Kicker & Highwire - cute set, kinda simplistic, dunno why they actively locked down Highwire's right shoulder though, Kicker is sorta lame and his hands are too soft to hold him on the bike very well.

Energon Barricade - This figure kicks arse! There's plenty to like. Vehicle mode is a little compact and the face is barely hidden at all (in packaging it's facing forward so it's not even facing the wall behind it), the weird gap in the middle was an oddity but it now seems like the head is a radar unit and needs this open space for that so it's alright. The missile box can be folded back to almost make a flatbed for the truck, except no wheels.

Transformation is interesting, the head has to get out of the way of a tab early on though but there's plenty to do. Lining up the backpack parts didn't come easily at first, but everything except the sides actually has its own place (the sides sit slightly open around the part holding it in place).

Bot mode is blocky yet still poseable. The head with the big earmuffs is a little strange, but I got used to it, looks like he's wearing headphones or something. Lightpiping for the eyes doesn't work too well, easily the worst of the 3 deluxe combiner torso figs. I like the big blocky feet, and the small vertical heelspurs keep him upright despite the huge backpack. The fists can hold regular weapons, but the forearms get in the way of most Energon weapons (an all-too-common problem for Decepticon figures in this line).

Transformation to torso mode is neat and bulks up the body at the chest, shoulders and even stomach. However, the transformation to torso mode has this plate that holds the head and the plate pops off its metal rod fairly easily if you push it too far - it's a minor annoyance once you get used to popping it back on. The Hasbro instructions and photos show the waist 2 different ways, I prefer the way they actually have it in the step-by-step though with the vents on the front because this brings the hips forward a few millimeters.

Torso mode is the best of all 3 Energon deluxe torsos, it's totally filled in and has good dimensions, bulky like I said before but also the shoulders and head are in the right places and the head isn't too big or too small. There are several subtle touches like the missiles ports on either side of the chest and plenty of detail from bot and vehicle mode as well. The combined bot just looks really cool with the 2 Construction and 2 Superion basics out now, I think the gestalt will work best with a mix-n-match philosophy rather than using the repaint limbs.

All in all, very very cool.

plasticfetish
01-12-2005, 03:09 AM
Ah... very cool! I saw Energon Barricade the other day, and I was really tempted to buy him. I really like the big blockish style. Now I'll probably get that whole combiner set -- I wanted to get at least one of them, I suppose that's it.

JediTricks
01-13-2005, 07:53 PM
Another thing that makes Barricade so cool as a torso compared to the other EnerTorsos is that Barricade has waist articulation in torso mode. Also, his ratchets for the limbs are much better than Stormjet & Steamhammer's.

Barricade is blocky without being a brick, that's what I really like, he's got the articulation to move yet none of it is ball-jointy which I know a lot of TF fans prefer.

Chaddymac
01-18-2005, 01:59 PM
Hello. Didn't know there was a TF thread here. I already feel like I'm home.

I have found nothing of interest in the SoCal area in a couple of weeks, though I've been checking two LA Targets daily for the last week. The last thing I found was a Energon Barricade (of whom JT gave a very accurate review, although I disagree with the screwholes facing forward) and Alt. Swindle (who I found again at a Target in Inglewood with 2 Meisters on Saturday, meaning I missed the ever elusive Grimlock or Windcharger--I don't remember who's in that case). Haven't seen Kicker yet (or Windcharger, or Grimlock, as I mentioned before) but I'm reading reports on other sites from the NoCal area.

Adam
01-19-2005, 07:34 AM
Well I saw Kicker... and waved goodbye to it. I already have the microman one, and the lazy paint apps on the Hasbro version don't appeal to me.

Barricade IS cool like JT said though.

darthvyn
01-19-2005, 07:18 PM
so, i've been thinking about how they could do an alternator of another character that wasn't originally a car... i mean, if grimlock can be a 'stang...

what if they turned a scion xb into


SOUNDWAVE!

now, before anyone jumps on a post about how it's an ugly car, i agree. i don't like the looks of it at all. but just think about how fitting it is. boxy (a rectangular tape deck on wheels?) huge, rectagular back window (tape deck window??) large square front fenders and hood (big chunky feet???)

not only that, but since they've been doing the decepticons in a "tuner" fashion, this would make so much sense. and to keep the "sound" in soundwave, it could have one of those crazy sound system "pimp my transformer" style speakers inside... like this...

Tycho
01-19-2005, 07:47 PM
That's creative. I'm lukewarm to the idea. I'm not sure yet, but I haven't thought of anything better for Soundwave yet.

Maybe one of those radar-dish planes - the sound part works, but the shape and function is totally out of character for him...

Soundwave is a tough call for an Alternator.

Chaddymac
01-19-2005, 08:56 PM
They're turning shockwave into an Rx-8, I think soundwave as a "Pimp my ride" style speaker-system on wheels is a fine idea. It could be the first original Decepticon mold, then tweak it for Blaster. And maybe the speakers come out and transform into Rumble and Frenzy or Rewind and Eject.

And while we're dreaming, I'd like a Robotmasters Gun Megatron. That'd be awesome.

darthvyn
01-19-2005, 09:44 PM
And maybe the speakers come out and transform into Rumble and Frenzy or Rewind and Eject.



i was just thinking that they could turn the seats and bass box into all the tapes. that way they could clear out the interior so it's not just hanging off the back (i.e. hound/swindle...)

Tycho
01-22-2005, 04:02 PM
Grimlock, Swindle, and Meister turned up at my Toys R Us today when I went to get a few more E3 Sneak Prviews for my Wookiee Army.

I already have Meister, but pondered and ultimately did NOT purchase Grimlock or Swindle.

It was hard. Grimlock looks great. I prefer the 2004 Mustang, or '05 if this is the '06 and they had to make a recent year, but it still looks great. I just may buy this model after I see Wheeljack (though the racing stripe isn't that appealing on the car either.)

To me, Grimlock should be a dinosaur and if this was a beast-machine Alternator, I'd have preferred that. I'd rather see what the movie will show once these characters hit the big screen. (Though mass-produced toys for the movie will ultimatley be cheaper than Alternators - which is why I'm clollecting this line).

Swindle looks nice. But again, I'm having a small collection, and want the main characters based on the cartoon. Decepticons like Starscream, Megatron, Soundwave (whatever they do) and Shockwave, as well as some other jsts, will be my focus. Ravage might get bought. I could pose the robot on all-fours. Shockwave - well again, he's very movie accurate in robot mode.

Anyway, I'll think about these for a while and maybe get them down the road. Dead End with Sunstreaker's head didn't do it for me either though. I'm picky about my Decepticons.

But thought I'd let people know Grimlock's out there.

Adam
01-23-2005, 12:28 AM
I think those two have been floating around since November, Windcharger was the one who was just released IIRC. I wish I could find any of them..

Remy has some galleries of Galaxy Force figures, for those interested. I've changed my mind on Guardshell/Landmine. I still don't like the RiD Wedge style shovels on his arms, but it looks like a solid figure. Gasket looks doofy.

http://tfkenkon.com/collection/collection.php

Chaddymac
01-23-2005, 11:48 AM
I think those two have been floating around since November, Windcharger was the one who was just released IIRC. I wish I could find any of them..

Remy has some galleries of Galaxy Force figures, for those interested. I've changed my mind on Guardshell/Landmine. I still don't like the RiD Wedge style shovels on his arms, but it looks like a solid figure. Gasket looks doofy.

http://tfkenkon.com/collection/collection.php
Grimmy hasn't been available for long in California, and not at TRU at all. I too just found Grimlock in LA...at a TRU, nonetheless.

But yeah...still looking for Windcharger :)

Adam
01-31-2005, 03:25 AM
Forgot to mention this when I saw it... this comes from someone who posted early information on Energon/Superlink that turned out to be accurate for the most part. It is based on preproduction files he was some how able to get his hands on. It's believeable because of his accuracy with Superlink.

(This comes from Hydra Custom on allspark)
http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=63401

*13 basics, 2 mini-con teams

*16 deluxes

*9 megas

*5 ultras

*4 supers

*2 supremes

Many of the unannounced characters appear to be homages to original characters: last in the list of megas is a Soundwave and Menasor. The list indicates that they'll retain those names for their American release.

The supers are as follows:
Galaxy Convoy, Master Megatron, Galvatron, Metroplex.
Two of these we've seen already.

The supremes are Starscream and PRIMUS. The Starscream is the huge Starscream that's been unveiled already.

In terms of main planets, it appears there will be five, which are presumably those insignias comprising the chip of Vector Prime.

If you examine his chip, it's modeled after a clock, with the planets they visit going from largest to smallest in the order they are visited.

These are:

Earth (Eclipsing sun)

Speedia (A speed burst of some sort)
"A planet where speed is everything"

Beast (animal claw)
"A planet that lives by the law of survival: the strong eat the weak"

Giant (A gear, half larger than the other)
"The planet that both giant Transformers and the minicons hail from"
This is where Metroplex, Menasor, Onslaught, and the Minicons are listed as being from. This is said to be the location of the last chip.

The last symbol is a tiny Cybertron symbol, probably symbolizing the return of planet Seibertron. How this relates to the final planet listed, Planet X, is unclear.

Planet X
"Are the residents allies, or foes?"
This is where Soundwave and Sideways are said to come from.

That's all the relevant info I saw.

JediTricks
02-02-2005, 05:10 AM
So much Galaxy Force/Cybertron info coming out that I am starting to lose track. I am going to try to leave the plot details aside until the show comes out and instead concentrate on the figures because I just can't keep it all going in my head.

Picked up Energon Kickback and Stormcloud tonight. Both are ok figures, but both are pretty lousy limbs (worse than the other 4 molds IMO). I'll have more to say on them tomorrow, but I've run out of steam.

JediTricks
02-03-2005, 10:27 PM
Stormcloud: "Hi, I'm safety-orange and gold and brown with blue accents. ...hey, why are you running away and covering your eyes???" Yikes, what the heck were they thinking with this colorscheme? This is worse than most TFU eyesores, and it just makes no sense to me - it's like earthtones drinking too much whiskey and throwing up. Stormcloud's alt mode is a helicopter, looks military but there are no weapons sculpted on at all. Stormcloud is sporting massive bot-mode kibble, the legs are slapped onto either side at the top, I guess they're supposed to be giant thrusters or something; the arms are just hanging off the bottom, except for the little wings on each arm these don't seem to be pretending to be ANYTHING. The energon weapon in alt mode is 2 large rear-facing cannons far apart and 2 smaller forward-facing cannons right next to each other with the center "thumb" gets shoved in between the arms, and the whole unit just pegs into the FISTS, how uncreative is that?!? The main rotor is a little further above the vehicle than I'd like and 1 blade is an entire level above the other which I hate; the spark crystal is at an angle just behind the main rotor; and both rotors spin freely. The vehicle mode does have some good detail sculpting here and there, and besides the fist holes, there are standard 5mm holes under each little arm wing; just behind and to the left of the cockpit is a TEENY Decepticon logo that's been painted with the purple on white background. Even with all the sculpting flaws, alt mode isn't terrible and would actually be decent if they had pushed the arms directly under the legs instead of under the body -- you can sorta do this but the shoulders stick down a bit and it doesn't lock down, even still I think it looks better than the official mode.

Transformation is simple once you get the tricks down and accept that there's no way to lock the chest into place. There's not much to say, unfold the arms & legs, rotate the waist, fold up the tail, open the little panels and fold down the cockpit. You're supposed to have to fold back the head too, but it generally is already in position once you folded the cockpit.

Bot mode is short for an Energon Basic, and suffers from THS or "Transformer Helicopter Syndrome" - chest made from cockpit, main rotorblades loosely hanging off back on top of each other, entire copter tail stuck between figure's legs. The only surprise is that the figure actually has waist articulation. Articulation includes rotating head and waist, ball-jointed shoulders, elbows, hips & knees, and you could possibly also count the hinged feet pointing down if you were so inclined. The head is brown with a gold faceplate and blue visor-eye, intricately sculpted to look like a bot wearing a helmet with visor. The light-piping works well, though the light blue color isn't very "evil", but the back of the light-piping is just as well-sculpted as the rest of the head. The energon accessory has the outer cannons rotate around so all 4 long barrels point the same direction and the thumb makes for another barrel or a sight; what's cool is that the outer cannons are removable and have pegs on the back too so they can be held as clubs instead of guns; what's not cool is that the center segment uses a highly-noticable orange piece to connect the outer guns, and when you remove those outer guns there's no way to hold the center part.

Like most (possibly all) of the Energon combiner basics, transformation to limb mode is the same for leg or arm except for the energon piece. Here, you transform to bot mode but fold the cockpit half down on a lower joint, then rotate the lower legs around and tab them into the forearms. The end result for leg & arm are both pretty lame, as a leg there's too little holding the parts together and the energon piece only touches the ground at its center which is way further back than it should be; the arm doesn't have the body resting on it so the problem holding together isn't as much of an issue, but the "forearm" is extra wide and juts way in towards the combiner torso so the arm has to be held away from the body. The only really good thing is the energon "hand", 4 straight fingers and a thumb (and the thumb is hinged for either lefties or righties).

Bottom line, I probably would have bought this mold if it weren't a combiner because it's an ok basic TF fig, but I would have only bought the purple paint job of it.


Kickback: Originally the name of an Insecticon - a theme which will be touched upon ever so slightly in bot mode - Kickback's alt mode here is apparently a specific Japanese anti-aircraft tank, it's green with silver & dark green and some gold and white paint accents. The tank has a set of 3 small guns on either side of the main turret, 2 stubby gun barrels at the nose which are standard-sized 5mm pegs, and 2 large cannons at the rear of the turret which can elevate to above upright; the entire turret can rotate all the way around. The only bot-mode kibble are fists at the end of the bot arms which make up the second 2/3rds of the turret. The energon weapon in alt mode plugs into the fists and is a plate with a pair of large cannons which can also elevate as a pair to either 45 or 90 degrees, and on the back of the plate is a squared radar dish which is part of the real tank's design; speaking of the real design, the spark crystal is at the front of the turret which is on the real tank as a sensor. (The radar dish even has a minicon peg on the back.) There is some good detail sculpting here, especially at the back of the tank and the sides above the non-moving tracks (it rolls on 4 smooth concealed wheels), and the purple-on-white Decepticon logo is near the spark crystal facing backwards. My only real gripes are the main guns splaying out slightly when aimed straight ahead, and the 2 bot arms lock together so one is a smidge above the other. I dig this little tank, it's cool, well-armed, and the turret even rotates.

Transformation is neat but a little complicated, and the instructions are more confusing than helpful. Basically, fold the tank sides into wings, rotate the turret around on a second rotation joint, unlock the arms and fold the shoulders back, then fold the neck plate down and hinge the rest of the torso onto the chest. It's clever in some ways, simple in others.

Bot mode is cool, the figure is armed out the wazoo and there are these big wings with an almost insect bone-like pattern running up the lower edge (hence the very loose and possibly non-existant Insecticon connection, though the real Kickback had a different orientation for his wings), then there's a chest portrusion and those long flat feet. The face looks very determined, it's gray with orange paint in the middle, the light-piped eyes are very small, and again the light blue color shining through really isn't evil enough but the shape does give character to what could have been a simple face. The POA include standard head & waist, ball-jointed shoulders, elbows, hips and knees, and hinged feet; the waist is a total bonus since there's no need for it in transformation, and the head is cool because it has those 2 sets of 3 small guns attached to either side that turn with it; the feet hinge past flat so he can point his toes like he's flying - another bonus that had nothing to do with transformation. Besides all that, the massive cannon on either forearm now rotates all the way around, the chest piece can hinge up to act as a binocular-type viewer, and the wings are hinged and can rotate about 30 degrees outward. So Kickback here can apparently fly AND he's armed to the teeth? Awesome! Then, as if that wasn't enough, the energon accessory can be held at the radar dish's minicon peg or hinge up the dish and use either of the minicon pegs on the rear of the middle plate for a fairly massive blaster rifle.

Transformation to limb mode is literally non-existant, start in tank mode, attach energon weapon via its 2 standard holes and a notch to the tank's nose guns, the end. Some fans open the tank sides a little in arm mode which allows the bot legs to become a very effect elbow, but I am pretty sure that is not part of the official transformation.

The leg mode works ok, the energon weapon flattens out, it's a little narrow from the front but it is way better than Stormcloud's leg mode - however I don't like how wide Kickback is as a leg. For arm mode, the energon accessory folds up to be 2 long fingers and a short, wide thumb on the other side, with the unofficial elbow in play it's a decent arm, but the tank still looks odd, maybe it's too thin or still too wide, I dunno what.

Overall, I really like Kickback and definitely would have bought him without the combiner aspect no matter what, I'm for sure going to buy his repaint when I can find it.

El Chuxter
02-08-2005, 02:22 PM
I scored Alternator Battle Ravage in a rather ravaged package at the Target in Temecula, CA, over the weekend. (These things are coming out a little too quickly lately.) The illustration looks cool, but whether the figure is cool in robot form will depend on whether his jaw opens as seen in the illustration or is static as in the product photo. I'm not going to open any of the Alternators I've picked up since Sideswipe until I move, so I won't know until then. I'm more or less planning on displaying all the 'Bots in robot form and the 'Con repaints in car mode unless some particular 'Con completely blows me away.

So Ravage is out, which means Shockblastwave is probably out as well, or will be shortly. Man, this is getting rather expensive, and I don't even mess with the other bazillion TF lines.

However, speaking of the other lines, is the Grimlock/Swoop 2-pack im-freakin'-possible to find? I saw it once at Target about a month ago and passed, since I was short on money following a deposit on our new place and I'd never seen any Energon figure who didn't hang around for a while anyway. I'm thinking maybe I made a mistake, since the Grimlock looked pretty cool.

kool-aid killer
02-08-2005, 02:36 PM
I hear you on the Energon Grimlock and Swoop. Never even seen them around here. Off all the Energon figures, thats the only one i didnt see at local store. I dont dare check Ebay to see its going rate. Sucks!

The Alternators do seem to be popping up real quick, only to disappear around here, unless they are Silverstreak, who is warming like no other Alt has. Hound isnt moving too well either, but at least he doesnt seem to be out in the quantity that Silver is.

Chaddymac
02-08-2005, 04:01 PM
Ravages mouth does open. It's hawt.

I'm both frustrated and excited by the fact that the Alternators are coming so frequently and selling so quickly. I want everyone to get what they're looking for, though, and I don't know how to fix that without running the risk of clogging the shelves. As long as I'm still able to pick them up, I won't complain, but it's not easy and I want to get every figure.

As for Grim and Swoop, yes the pack is hard to find but it's in the next wave of Energon Megas. Just don't get too excited. I messed with a friend of mine's over the holiday break and was not impressed. Floppy in all three modes. Kind of a great idea, poorly executed. I'd rather have their G1 versions any day.

darthvyn
02-08-2005, 10:51 PM
man, it takes forever for these guys to get over here... i'll basically find them a couple of months after you guys... :cry:

Tycho
02-09-2005, 02:04 AM
El Chuxter - nice find on Ravage!

Are you moving any closer to San Diego? We could hang out again and sniff Mouse Droids!

The Alts do get expensive when your primary collecting hobby is Star Wars, and then along comes a TF you want to buy.

Wheeljack is my next definite purchase. I'm not sure about Ravage and Shockwave, but they are the Decepticons I could see being my most likley until the $30 jets come out. Wished there were at least prototype pictures of Starscream!

El Chuxter
02-09-2005, 12:07 PM
I'm actually moving farther from San Diego, but only by about fifteen minutes. Housing is pretty much unaffordable in the major urban areas of the Inland Empire (AKA "tha 909" :crazed: ).

JediTricks
02-09-2005, 08:16 PM
Ravage, Swindle, Grimlock, and Windcharger are all hitting shelves now. I think the reason they're all hitting now is that Dec/Jan didn't see its new releases (as is customary for pre-toy fair toys, though these are also a bit early). I really want to find all of them but Swindle, whom I've run across twice now and passed both times.

Chaddymac
02-09-2005, 08:18 PM
So you got Ravette and Hondacharger? Aren't they love?

JediTricks
02-09-2005, 09:04 PM
Me? I wouldn't know, I haven't found them yet. :cry: A so-called "friend" called me Monday night from Vegas to gloat about the purchases, and then I heard from another few folks who found 'em at the big T.

plasticfetish
02-10-2005, 01:43 AM
Ravage, Swindle, Grimlock, and Windcharger are all hitting shelves now.I spotted all of them at TRU (Signal Hill, CA) tonight, and though I haven't bought anything from this line, I came really close to buying Grimlock.

El Chuxter
02-10-2005, 12:04 PM
Except for Ravage (who as I said I first found this last weekend), I've been seeing them all quite frequently for about two months.

Tycho
02-10-2005, 12:58 PM
Today I found

Grimlock
Swindle
Windcharger
Ravage

All in good quantities (3 of each or thereabouts) at my Toys R Us.

I left them. I decided I'm not going to buy these, though Grimlock keeps tugging away at the 'ol heartstrings and I just hope they get Wheeljack out there fast enough before I lost $20. :rolleyes:

JediTricks
02-11-2005, 06:34 PM
I spotted all 4 of the Alts (ravage, grimlock, windcharger, swindle) at TRU Monrovia and at 4 different Targets yesterday, guess they've hit the area finally.

Picked up Energon combiner limb repaints Windrazor and Terradive, both are so-so and have a few minor paint and assembly issues. Neither does much for me, but Windrazor having gray instead of blue that Treadshot suffers from gives him a bump in the right direction. Terradive's wings wouldn't stay even because the mold line right in the middle of the flat of the hinge, so I had to shave that down.


As for the Alts...

Grimlock - decent vehicle mode except for the hood sticking up permanently, kinda stubby and very gappy bot mode, transformation is horribly crazy. The weapons are nice, but his hands don't hold either one too well. I really felt frustrated by this one, the gappy torso is very annoying, so many parts are popping off all the time, the instructions are confusing about things like the shoulders, and I still don't like the car. Even though Grimmy here is not a short figure in the line, he seems really stubby for some reason, I guess the long thick legs under the smallish torso.

Windcharger - everybody seems to dislike this one, but it's one of my favorites. Great sporty little vehicle mode with either top in place, transformation riffs off other Alternators but makes it its own with nice refinements, bot mode is pretty nifty and has decent articulation. Only downer is the empty hinge on the gun where the driveshaft barrel was supposed to go, the hinge even sticks down under the vehicle mode. Transformation really seemed intuitive, and I love how the alt-mode doors and hood are kept close and neat so they don't even look too much like kibble. Very satisfying, I will be buying the repaint. Instructions say to remove the convertible top part for bot mode, but I don't see why, doesn't seem to affect anything and who wants a loose useless part?

Chaddymac
02-11-2005, 08:55 PM
I like Grimmy. He seems floppy at first, but I found that when all the parts are in place, he's pretty stable. And I agree his gun doesn't stay put very well, but his sword (at least on mine) is rock solid. But to each his own. I TOTALLY agree with you on Windcharger, though. Me likesy. Wish I'd found the new combiner limbs, though. This has been frustrating.

Tycho
02-11-2005, 09:46 PM
JT, I don't like them going to removeable parts. The cool thing about Alternators is that everything they come with is useful in the transform.

I also think that the Honda didn't want guns, hence the reason the driveshaft is off the engine that's clearly been hinged for it.

Stupid car companies and their "we promote peace by not allowing toy guns" philosophy. Why don't they cease some of their political contributions but I'll stop before my Transformer post winds up in the Rancor Pit.

JediTricks
02-13-2005, 06:51 PM
With my Grimmy in bot mode, the hood pops up on the right, the head falls backwards a bit, the upper torso disconnects from the lower torso pretty easily, the shoulders disconnect from the upper torso occasionally, the doors often pop off, the big floorpan/skirt always ends up coming off, and the hips pop off of their ball-joints pretty easily -- worst of all, I have heard from others with many of these same issues. I highly doubt I'll bother with Wheeljack at this point.

Good luck on the limbs, you should be seeing them at Target soon. I'll try to remember to set a set aside if I see any more.


Tycho, do you mean the interchangable top on Windcharger? I don't have a problem with that since the "down" top can be left in place in bot mode and the "up" top can be worn as a shield. It's no different to me than the removable accessories like the engine guns or even Grimmy's sword.

Chaddymac
02-13-2005, 08:54 PM
Good luck on the limbs, you should be seeing them at Target soon. I'll try to remember to set a set aside if I see any more.
Thanks, JT. I did another run through the stores on the west side and found nothing again. If you see them, I'd really appreciate the help.

Did see the last 4 Alts, though. Swindle, Ravage, Grimlock, and Windcharger were pretty much at all of the Targets and TRUs in the area.

darthvyn
02-19-2005, 10:31 PM
so i finally got silverstreak - not because i couldn't find him, but i didn't have the cash. not that i have the cash now, but whatever.

cool thing is, out of the five that were there, i got the only one with the european driver's side. the steering wheel is on the right. not that i think that's anything collectible, but i thought it would be another cool difference from smokey...

JediTricks
02-25-2005, 05:08 PM
Found Energon Roadblock last night. I like how they changed Inferno's gun, the new crane arm is more obvious and has a peg so it can be held as a gun without its base, but the crane controller's cabin is way too small compared to the main vehicle. The new head is alright, the "hat" face cover looks like a face on its own so that's a bit weird. Some of the arm and neck joints are a little looser than on Inferno, and the new front bumper gets in the way a little in combiner mode. My biggest problem is the use of flat dark brown plastic so much, it's especially annoying for the combiner mode feet which are left unpainted.


Also picked up Alternators Battle Ravage, had the same leg-transformation frustrations as Tracks unfortunately (both going to and from bot mode), but the convertible design looks way better in both modes. I like the use of metallic red as accents in bot mode, but this still looks way too much like Tracks and not a body that Ravage would have.

Tycho
02-25-2005, 05:11 PM
I am disappointed that even after Toy Fair, we've seen nothing about Hasbro doing a pickup truck (Ironhide, Kup) or any $30 Alternator Jets (Starscream, Skywarp, Thudercracker, Cyclonus, Scourge).

JediTricks
02-25-2005, 06:58 PM
I am disappointed that even after Toy Fair, we've seen nothing about Hasbro doing a pickup truck (Ironhide, Kup) or any $30 Alternator Jets (Starscream, Skywarp, Thudercracker, Cyclonus, Scourge).
That's what happens to unfounded rumors. ;) I was surprised to see only 1 new Alternators figure though, and their Toy Fair Press Release really only covered the "now" period of Spring.


Another thing I was surprised by on Alt Ravage was how small his jaw was and how little it actually can move. I could almost see myself end up swapping his head out for another figure's.

Chaddymac
02-26-2005, 09:13 AM
I just wanted to comment that as a super goofy ultra fanboy of Transformers, I was really impressed with the backstory Takara came up with for BT Ravage. If you've been keeping up with the releases, here's the latest addition:
http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/thread68790.html

If you haven't been keeping up, here's a page with a combined rundown of the story so far:
http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=65749&st=0&

Adam
02-26-2005, 02:41 PM
That's what happens to unfounded rumors. ;) I was surprised to see only 1 new Alternators figure though, and their Toy Fair Press Release really only covered the "now" period of Spring.


Another thing I was surprised by on Alt Ravage was how small his jaw was and how little it actually can move. I could almost see myself end up swapping his head out for another figure's.


Uh, unfounded rumors? I thought that came from otfcc?

JediTricks
02-26-2005, 03:17 PM
I hadn't heard that it came from the con, I heard that they WANTED it to be said at the con. I could be wrong though, it's hard to have sources on rumors like this that get around so much.


Chaddy, I can't get that link to load, can you give us the rundown?

Chaddymac
02-27-2005, 11:08 AM
I hadn't heard that it came from the con, I heard that they WANTED it to be said at the con. I could be wrong though, it's hard to have sources on rumors like this that get around so much.


Chaddy, I can't get that link to load, can you give us the rundown?
It didn't come from the con. It was unfounded rumors. In a telephone panel discussion following the con, that a few lucky transfans were able to participate in, a few questions were asked that implied that Hasbro was exploring a number of possibilities for expaning the Transformers brand. One was regarding interest in different price points for Alternators to use different types of vehicles. Another was interest in a G1 themed line in the same vein as the SW VOTC line. But in the end, they were just questions, not promises, and since then there have been rumors flying about them. But they've always just been rumors.

You should really try opening the links again, but since you asked, BT Ravage's back story is that a human organization collecting alien artifacts ever since the discovery of Transformers on earth find a device (named, humorously for a reason you'll learn in a minute, "Shroedinger's Box"). Research reveals that it's a data flight recorder from a crippled Cybertronian space craft buried since prehistoric times...one that contains the recorded memories of Agent X-9 (Beast Wars Ravage). X-9, realizing that the conflict on earth is proof positive that his efforts in the past were useless, he convinces the group to build him a new body. They give him a Corvette. Only, to operate, he needs a spark. So they put G1 Ravage into stasis lock and shove him into the car tape deck. And thus, BT Ravage is born.

JediTricks
02-27-2005, 05:34 PM
Thanks for the lowdown on the rumors and on the BT Ravage background, that's pretty cute actually, a good tie-in with the BW side of the equation.

darthvyn
02-27-2005, 07:17 PM
so, i randomly went into a TRU today, and scored windcharger! finally, i'm seeing some of these guys up to date! either my wal-mart sucks, or i just never go at the right time...

WC is pretty cool, he's kinda a mix between tracks and sideswipe - swipe legs, tracks arms. overall, the effect creates a very unique bot mode. only complaints are that they chopped the gun barrel off, and his arms have little shoulder articulation, but whatchagonnado? they also had swindle, but i didn't want to spend too much money, and i already have hound. so far the only redeco i have is silverstreak.

i really need to get some decepticons, though. deadend is getting HTF. i like what i've seen of shockwave/blast, and ravage looks pretty cool to me. i'd say so far hound is the weakest link, so swindle might be a stretch for me to purchase, but i'm quickly becoming a completist with this series, so i'll probably pick him up.

somewhere i saw that they're already going to do a redeco of 'charger. anyone know who it's gonna be?

Tycho
02-27-2005, 07:36 PM
Dragstrip. It's actually a cool, yellow and smoke-damaged effected resculpt of Windcharger with a huge racing spoiler on the back. There are pictures at:

my most-often-consulted Transformers page (http://www.binalternators.de/binaltech_english.html)

I'm not interested in Windcharger myself as it's another red car and I like Sideswipe to stand out. I'll buy red again if it's Ironhide in a pickup, or HotRod and all-new.

Since I'm not getting Windcharger though, Dragstrip won't be a resculpt of something I have for me. So he may be my first Decepticon, though I'm really holding out for jets (and dying for Starscream!)

Meanwhile, Ravage is really tempting me, as is Shockwave when he comes out.

Chaddymac
02-28-2005, 12:14 AM
so, i randomly went into a TRU today, and scored windcharger! finally, i'm seeing some of these guys up to date! either my wal-mart sucks, or i just never go at the right time...

WC is pretty cool, he's kinda a mix between tracks and sideswipe - swipe legs, tracks arms. overall, the effect creates a very unique bot mode. only complaints are that they chopped the gun barrel off, and his arms have little shoulder articulation, but whatchagonnado? they also had swindle, but i didn't want to spend too much money, and i already have hound. so far the only redeco i have is silverstreak.

i really need to get some decepticons, though. deadend is getting HTF. i like what i've seen of shockwave/blast, and ravage looks pretty cool to me. i'd say so far hound is the weakest link, so swindle might be a stretch for me to purchase, but i'm quickly becoming a completist with this series, so i'll probably pick him up.

somewhere i saw that they're already going to do a redeco of 'charger. anyone know who it's gonna be?
Darth, I'm not sure what you mean by limited shoulder articulation on WC, but if your talking about the rotation on the shoulder joint, I thought it was limited too. I couldn't get the arm to rotate out (so that he could aim out with his gun). It turns out that joint is just really tight. The arm should make a complete circle. The arm can pretty much make any pose you want. However, it's not the most elegant design, to be sure. If THAT'S what you mean by limited, you're absolutely right. But if your talking about the shoulder rotation, go ahead and give it a little more go.

I know someone in Orange County who's making repros of the WC barrel. I got one in black dyed plastic that looks pretty good. It's not as perfect as I imagine the original proto's barrel was, but it's pretty good. Kinda like comparing an MP3 to the original CD track. I can't get the CD, but I'm still having a great time with the MP3, if you know what I mean.

Don't know if he's still producting them, but if there's any interest, PM me and I'll see if he can help.

darthvyn
02-28-2005, 09:45 AM
holy crap, dragsrip looks cool!

chaddy, yeah, the rotation of the entire rear quarterpanel, is what i'm talking about, and on your word, i forced it through. you're right, it just took some pressure (that i wasn't confident in giving last night ;) i broke my "snarl" dinobot's leg off doing that like, 14 years ago, and to this day i'm squeamish about forcing things...)

and you will shortly have a PM...

EDIT: why does prowl look like such crap here?

http://www.binalternators.de/prowl_english.html

i was looking forward to a prowl, since that's my car's name. (it being an ex-police car and all that...) and even though it's cool to see a new mold (finally...) he really should be a 'screen/'streak brother... they could at least make him transform the same way. they do have a lot of guys with the "front end chest" (hound, meister, screen, streak, and any 'cep redecos of those guys...) oh, well, here's hoping it's just a bad pose job in the photo...

EDIT # 2: i want them to make alts of any of the new cadillac cars/suv's!

http://www.cadillac.com/home.html

the xlr, or the srx would be cool.

and i still think that trailbreaker should be the chevy trailblazer,
http://www.chevrolet.com/trailblazer/

ironhide should be the chevy avalanche,
http://www.chevrolet.com/avalanche/

and rodimus prime should be the chevy ssr,
http://www.chevrolet.com/ssr/

Tycho
02-28-2005, 12:43 PM
You inspired me to do a quick photoshop:

JediTricks
02-28-2005, 02:19 PM
Tycho, you forgot to mention that since Dragstrip is a racing car, he has a hardtop rather than a softtop up and down the way Windcharger does, I think the hardtop on Dragstrip looks pretty cool.


On my Windcharger, the issue isn't that the shoulder is tight, it's that the shoulder catches on the body early in its rotation, but if you tilt the shoulder back slightly it lets it continue past this catch point. So then you have full rotation, tilting forward and back, and limited swiveling out to the side, that's pretty good shoulder rotation to me.


I fear Alt Prowl looks kinda crappy like that for real, the way his chest is so oversized and his shoulder are so high up, it reminds me of an RID Spychanger (yes, I know their design concept came from G1 Red Alert/Sideswipe, but that mold was far more elegant than this look).

darthvyn
02-28-2005, 05:34 PM
nice, tycho, but i'm not a big fan of "realistic" flames on cars... the ssr is just DYING for a true '50's style flame job.

JT, i fear that as well, although i still hold out hope. i'm glad that they're trying to branch out into different looking alt modes (like i said, a lot of the "front end chest" design) but i'm not sure that i like this attempt. and i was really looking forward to a cool new prowl. oh, well. can't all be winners.

JediTricks
03-06-2005, 03:12 PM
I'm not a big fan of realistic flames on cars either, they don't impress me when I see 'em on the street the way the classic look does.


I found Alpha Quintesson and Energon Starscream at Target on Friday, passed on Alpha Q, apparently this Quintesson only has 3 faces! That's not right.

Energon Starscream is pretty awesome. Colorscheme is light years beyond original despite NO translucents, G1 effect is great but unified gray colorscheme would have worked here no matter what; also, not having the paintwash from the original works in this one's favor I think. Opaque weapons way better than originals. One of the shoulders is different colors from the other, but it's barely noticable. Bot mode looks fantastic, lighter body colors help bring the face to life, though the real hero there is the non-translucent red eyes. On mine, one of the shin-wing units pops out and has to be manually popped back into place, the right shoulder is waaaay too tight, and the right elbow is too loose, but in general this is a great figure.

El Chuxter
03-06-2005, 03:26 PM
After nearly peeing in my pants when I saw the name "Quintesson" on a box at Target, I passed on the craptacular POS as well. I thought maybe the success (of sorts) of the Unicron finally prompted Hasbro to give us a Quintesson, but a true Quint this guy ain't.

Three faces? Wouldn't that make him the Alpha Trisson? :)

JediTricks
03-07-2005, 09:50 PM
Yeah, exactly, 3 faces does not a quintesson make. After Energon Kicker & Highwire, I'm not surprised how lame this figure is though, I can't wait for the Energon line to go away and be replaced by Cybertron.


Oh, and I found the Energon figure Wideload today at Target, I suspect I missed the other 3 repaints. Lardbutt, er, I mean "Wideload" (c'mon, that is a BAD name :D) is a better-looking repaint of Duststorm, but still doesn't look much like a crane coloring to me.

Adam
03-07-2005, 11:01 PM
Lardbutt, er, I mean "Wideload" (c'mon, that is a BAD name :D) is a better-looking repaint of Duststorm, but still doesn't look much like a crane coloring to me.

Wideload is a better name for like a dump truck. Are "Wideload's" legs joints tighter than Duststorm's? The joints on my Duststorm are pretty loose.

JediTricks
03-08-2005, 10:41 PM
Yes, and they have a little stoppage to them so they hold up when the crane is disconnected in vehicle mode. He's much better than his losery brother Duststorm. Colors aren't really very much like a crane, but they're not garish either, and the off-white helps separate the front vehicle from the back part being towed, oh, and the wheels are black instead of a heinous light blue; colors work better in bot mode as well, especially the light chest which brings out the details. Joints are all tighter, the hips that were a serious problem on Duststorm are way better now. Still not
the greatest design, but now at leat a worthy addition to the line.

Adam
03-09-2005, 11:19 PM
Well, I dunno about "worthy" but it sounds way better than his twin.

I haven't been out looking for TF's lately so I could order some gundam models.. I needed my fix. I need to finish off Bruticus and Buildron soon though. Also getting Roadblock (GRAPPLE) for sure. Probably pass on EE Starscream. I can't decide if I want to get Quickstrike.. I think he's an improvement over Bulkhead, but I'm not sure I like the mold enough to pay another $25 for it. Overcast is a similar situation. I think thats it for Energon after that.

I don't know if we've talked about this, but you guys know that Hasbro is apparently not releasing Cybertron Starscream in the mega size... which sucks because its about $40 bucks to import! :cry:

JediTricks
03-10-2005, 11:24 PM
EE Starscream is worth it I think.


That explains why I paid $39 for GF Starscream last night. :D I heard rumors that Cybertron Mega Starscream will eventually be released, just not immediately. Besides Screamer, I picked Skids, here's my thoughts:

Galaxy Force Skids - I hit the local collectors show last night and caved on this one, not even totally sure why, he was $13. I like the vehicle a lot, though the add-on pipes aren't that cool. The force-chip gimmick is alright, cool enough. Transformation is very clever but the windshield sticks to the seats. Bot mode looks neat but not amazing and when you raise his arms you can see his VERY hollow chest; He's well-articulated for a basic with neck, ball shoulders, hinged elbows, waist, ball hips, and hinge knees. Skids comes apart at the top of the chest quite easily as well which can be frustrating. All in all, I dig him but recognize his limits.

Galaxy Force Starscream - I gave this one a lot of thought and was sure I wasn't going to bother, then caved at $39 anyway. Pretty cool, seems like an evolution of the Armada character right down to the similar sizes, very little in common with the Energon version though; GF Scream is all about the sculpted detail in this mode. Vehicle mode is sleek yet bulky at the same time, removing the (way touchy) missile-launching gun is a minor thing but somehow goes a long way here, but the head barely being hidden is kind of a let-down. The force-chip gimmick is neat but watch your fingers, it's strong and fast. Transformation is right on the edge of being too basic, in fact I'm still undecided if it squeeks by or not but it does seem like an authentic "transformer" transformation to me. Bot mode is bulky and reminds me of Armada Starscream a lot, probably no accident on the designer's part. This Starsceam seems like he's on 'roid rage, bulked out and mad-faced. Articulation is so-so with only neck, shoulders (with tilt in and out 1 click), hinged elbows, uni-hips, rotating thighs, hinged knees, and feet which can be pointed down thanks to transformation; the lack of arm articulation really hurts, there's no reason there could have been at least a wrist swivel or rotating elbow or one more point, especially since the arms are so stubby as it is. The missile launcher gun is plain but works with his stubby forearms, and can be pegged into the underside of the figure's back right behind the rear landing wheel (this hole seems to be here specifically for this use!), the trigger remains a hair-trigger so watch out for that. The force-chip gimmick swords are pretty neat, especially with the shoulder-tilt in play. All in all, he's pretty cool, hardly perfect, a solid "B" figure but not the end-all be-all.

JediTricks
03-13-2005, 10:12 PM
Bought Alternators Shockwave (yes, I know he's "Shockblast" but the license plate says "SHKWAV" so he's Shockwave) last night at Target, $18.82. The figure has a surprising number of little problems like flash, the hood pieces not fitting together and popping out, the trunk not closing all the way and being slightly off-color, loose door-slides, and the gun-hand's forearm not being screwed together all the way, and design issues like the seat on the chest's left side not folding up as high as the right (this was on Meister as well) and the light-piped eye being clear "white" instead of the clear purple the test shot had. Still, his deep royal blue color looks amazing, so much more exciting than just another black Decepticon, and the gunmetal black wheels are stunning, so much better than more chrome. The Mazdaspeed redesign has a bolder look to it and the spoiler adds some much-needed character to the relatively bland-looking RX-8. Transformation is frustrating at the head because the hood keeps coming off, but the bot mode itself is impressive, somehow more imposing than Meister even though they're basically the same exact thing. I put Shockwave's gun in "pistol" configuration and it works well and looks different enough from Meister's "rifle" config. Despite my issues, I really like this figure and in both modes which makes my displaying dilemma of "bot mode or vehicle mode" far more difficult than either Dead End or Ravage (though I still haven't decided on Ravage either, currently he's in vehicle mode while Shockwave is displayed as a bot).

Chaddymac
03-13-2005, 10:41 PM
Bought Alternators Shockwave (yes, I know he's "Shockblast" but the license plate says "SHKWAV" so he's Shockwave) last night at Target, $18.82. The figure has a surprising number of little problems like flash, the hood pieces not fitting together and popping out, the trunk not closing all the way and being slightly off-color, loose door-slides, and the gun-hand's forearm not being screwed together all the way, and design issues like the seat on the chest's left side not folding up as high as the right (this was on Meister as well) and the light-piped eye being clear "white" instead of the clear purple the test shot had. Still, his deep royal blue color looks amazing, so much more exciting than just another black Decepticon, and the gunmetal black wheels are stunning, so much better than more chrome. The Mazdaspeed redesign has a bolder look to it and the spoiler adds some much-needed character to the relatively bland-looking RX-8. Transformation is frustrating at the head because the hood keeps coming off, but the bot mode itself is impressive, somehow more imposing than Meister even though they're basically the same exact thing. I put Shockwave's gun in "pistol" configuration and it works well and looks different enough from Meister's "rifle" config. Despite my issues, I really like this figure and in both modes which makes my displaying dilemma of "bot mode or vehicle mode" far more difficult than either Dead End or Ravage (though I still haven't decided on Ravage either, currently he's in vehicle mode while Shockwave is displayed as a bot).
mmm...shockwave...

His blaster hand is still purple, right?

JediTricks
03-13-2005, 10:50 PM
Yes, which is why the "white" eye is even more so confusing.

darthvyn
03-15-2005, 05:06 PM
i thought the eye was yellow? i'm excited for this guy. i love the rx-8, and shockwave is so cool. the color looks really good, although i kinda wish they just made him completely purple. that's a "tuner" color if i ever saw one.

JediTricks
03-16-2005, 12:37 AM
Nope, totally clear-white. The test-shot proto had a purple eye, looked way cooler, probably too dark on production though.

Technically he's not a tuner, he's a Mazdaspeed upgraded model but nothing aftermarket, it's all factory.

darthvyn
03-16-2005, 04:56 PM
yeah, but i could argue that a mazdaspeed car is just a tuner out-of-the-box.

does the white eye look good, or is it distracting? i thought the original eye was yellow, though... no?

Tycho
03-16-2005, 06:40 PM
What's a tuner?

darthvyn
03-16-2005, 08:11 PM
http://www.fusionimports.com/albums/Jason/MY_CAR_1.jpg

THAT'S a tuner.

(man, i tried to find the most hideous example, and i think i exceeded my imagination on that one...)

Tycho
03-17-2005, 01:31 AM
I still don't get it.

Chaddymac
03-17-2005, 03:58 PM
I still don't get it.
It's a car that's had further modification after the factory. spoilers, lowriders, lights, paint aps...that sort of thing. Think, "Pimp my ride".

JediTricks
03-17-2005, 08:13 PM
yeah, but i could argue that a mazdaspeed car is just a tuner out-of-the-box.

does the white eye look good, or is it distracting? i thought the original eye was yellow, though... no?
I was under the impression that a tuner had to be aftermarket-modified.

The clear "white" eye doesn't look bad, but it's not outstanding either, just kinda "there", kinda plain. It's true to the G1 figure's eye I suppose (although the G1 does look a little yellow where this is most definitely not), but it's just not that cool IMO.

Good pic on the Tuner, though there are even worse ones on my block.

Tuners are these Japanese sedan class and other relatively non-sporty bland cars that get a bunch of junk tacked on for performance and looks. San Diego isn't far enough away from LA to not have any, so I can't imagine you not having seen at least a dozen in your city Tycho.


I picked up Galaxy Force Skids last week and Autolander & Gasket this week, and I only noticed today that none of them have sculpted or painted faction symbols anywhere on them. Their force chips have the planet symbols, but they're generic chips so no factions. This reminds me of RID, where the Autobot brothers had only hidden faction symbols so when Hasbro released them in the US they tampographed symbols onto them. I can see where Gasket (US name: Ransack) might get one, on either the top or sides of his gas tank (if on the top, it'd split in half when making the shoulders), but I don't see anywhere on Skids (US name: Clocker) could get one unless it's slapped over the detail sculpting on his chest or hood, or perhaps across his windshield, and Autolander (no idea US name) only has room for small ones on his shins or a REALLY tiny one somewhere on his chest. Might Hasbro end up following Takara's lead and not giving them faction symbols?


Here's what I got yesterday...

Energon Blight - Hasbro went twistie-crazy on this one, a stupid amount of these things, one of which seems to have damaged the tread piece in-package by keeping it mistransformed thus stressing the connector (now it comes off easily). The yellow and black colorscheme brings nothing to the table unlike his recolor brother Kickback, if Kickback is a grasshopper I guess Blight is supposed to be a weevil or something, but the colors don't work here, it's like a little kid pounding on the keyboard of a piano, there's sound but not music. The original colors of this mold are 10 times better, this use is a letdown.

Energon Blackout - More ridiculous numbers of twisties. This recolor is the saviour of the mold after the misery that was Electric Kool-aid... er, I mean, "Stormcloud". Dark gray and purple work very well together here, very Decepticon-y. The gold is an ok accent but not really the best note, good use on the vents though; the light blue is pointless and sloppily-applied but scarce enough to not matter that much. The purple holding the energon weapon together works much better than orange on the original, but I still don't think the weapon looks good with vehicle mode. With this, I have the final piece to the Bruticus Maximus puzzle, which unfortunately doesn't look all that great thanks once again to Stormlcoud's horrid color.

Galaxy Force Gasket - I am a sucker for motorcycle toys, so I caved and bought this one. Red color doesn't really work for me here, and is very un-evil for a Decepticon; dull gold and silver accents just don't bring anything to the table. Vehicle is a large basic, he's an overly-long, lanky, sorta-gappy, futuristic motorcycle with very little in the way of details; wheels are translucent red, flat and wide enough to stand the bike up. Force Chip weapon is oversized here and beyond pointless. Transformation is quite clever, but is too limited by being a basic, a deluxe or mega would make better use of this tf scheme though. Bot mode is tiny, only as tall as a Star Wars figure (3.75") and that's with the tall toe and heelspurs; shoulders are too low and large, out of proportion; and to top it off there's that weird kibbly section behind the head. Legs are thin "big boots", rear wheel is just kibble on the sides of the legs, and front wheel is hanging off the back I suppose as a jump-jet thruster or something (if you're feeling generous). Torso is sparsely detailed, head is red and shaped like it's wearing a hat, face is simple silver with a smirk and green eyes (which are painted over red light-piped eyes, you can get this to show through a little under the right conditions) surrounded by black. Posture is very strange indeed and tiny heel/toe situation makes it worse. Articulation is good at neck, shoulders, inner side-"flap" shoulders, ball-jointed elbows, standard waist (able to bow forward thanks to tf scheme), ball hips, and ball knees. Weapon is an oversized nothing-gun, and force-chips into a very bland twin-fork gun. Bottom line, fairly disappointing all around, at least the US name sounds better for a Decepticon, "Ransack".

Galaxy Force Autolander - from the second I left him behind last week, I regretted it, so I went back and got him yesterday. Vehicle mode is a standard-sized basic that seems smaller due to small front end; massive rear end with huge wheels tapers down to a small cockpit and tiny sled-like front end, very effective "fast" look. Black, gray, and translucent yellow work very well together, there is also a very dark metallic accent paint here and there which brings a little extra flavor to the table. Rear end is a high-tech engine, top of the fig's head sticks up as an intake, front end has weapon acting as another techy bit. Of the 3 GF basics I have so far, only one that can't use or stow force chip in vehicle mode. Transformation is simple but somehow not boring. Bot mode is another shorty that's SW-figure height (and not Chewie either, but Luke), yet he's got great dimensions almost bordering on Gundamness and a very powerful look with plenty of details. Articulation is decent with neck, limited-ball shoulders, ball elbows, semi-limited waist (depends on if you move the back part or not), ball hips, ball knees, and hinged-for-tf ankles; the ankles are a little too loose for some poses. The shoulders are so high that bringing the arms up too high looks odd, and the forearms are really stubby, but he still looks really cool. Head is very gundam-like except for large chinstrap/beard which seems out of place, eyes are yellow light-pipe but because there's so much translucent yellow at the shoulders and above the head, it doesn't seem as impressive. Weapon can be stowed on back, and is another "nothing-gun" until force-chipped, then it becomes a nifty sword/gun thing. Bottom line, the front-end of vehicle mode is unorthodox but Autolander rules and with his dark colors and no faction symbol is almost more believable as a Decepticon.

Tycho
03-18-2005, 12:46 AM
Incidently, my Transformers are all in vehicle mode and have been for a while.

I have:

Optimus
Sideswipe
Smokescreen
Hound
Tracks
Meister

I transformed Tracks into his robot mode and thought I'd check him out that way for a while. I don't want to transform him back. Tracks' bot looks waaay cool and while we're talking Alternators here, I loved Tracks back in the G1 days as well. What is it with him? I don't know, but I really like the guy.

El Chuxter
03-25-2005, 11:03 AM
Um, okay, does this "Shockblast" really exist? I normally have no problem finding any Alternators, but he's eluded me for some time. I keep seeing the Energon character by the same name sitting beside the Alternators, getting all giddy, and being disappointed.

JediTricks
03-25-2005, 04:19 PM
Shockblast is being shipped 1 per case as I understand it, with *more* Swindles (like we needed that) and Battle Ravages which means stores aren't likely to put these on shelves. I think Shockblast is pretty awesome for an Alternator, he's got a great color and just works really well in both modes.

BTW, I held Shocko's head up to the light, it turns out the eye is in fact very lightly colored yellow. So strange.

I went to pick up Energon Energon Strongarm and Offshoot in the bonus 2pack at TRU because I decided I liked them enough to buy, and next to them was Bonecrusher, the final piece of the Constructus Maximus Dopius Namus figure. I like the colors here, they seem a little more realistic for a jobsite machine than the green they often use. The combined figure is a little knock-kneed, but the color pallette works well together, better than Bruticus Maximus. It's still not as cool a combiner as Bruticus in terms of shapes, but waaaay better than Superion Max in that department.

And I'm glad I got E-Strongarm and Offshoot, Offshoot looks more military than Signal Flare and E-Strongarm looks like he belongs with my Galaxy Force Skids.

El Chuxter
03-25-2005, 04:28 PM
One per case? Wouldn't that make him the first short-packed Alternator? Or is he supposed to be in larger quantities later? :mad:

Chaddymac
03-25-2005, 05:39 PM
One per case? Wouldn't that make him the first short-packed Alternator? Or is he supposed to be in larger quantities later? :mad:
Tracks was short-packed, too, so first he ain't.

JediTricks
03-25-2005, 07:03 PM
They probably are planning to put more out later, possibly when another new figure such as Wheeljack (next on the list) comes out.

Adam
04-03-2005, 12:03 AM
Don't feel too bad Chux, Shockblast just came out... I still haven't seen Grimlock.

I picked up the rest of the Energon combiners. I forget their names. :) Bruticus is the best of all three. Got Grap- er Roadblack too. Saw Overcast, and decided I didn't want it. The molds not that great. Haven't seen Quickstrike.

About EE Starscream - I decided I don't like the mold too much. (Says the guy who owns 4 version of ARMADA Starscream..... but I've become more picky lately. :crazed: ) The shoulder artiulation bugs me, and I dont like having the null rays out all the time.

JT - originally it was thought that the characters from planet Speedia, which Autolander and Skids originate from, did not have faction emblems because they are not part of either faction when they first appear. If this was the case, Takara seems to have changed their minds with this in regaurds to the beast figures. They all seem to have them, although I can't remember if Flame Convoy does.

kool-aid killer
04-03-2005, 07:27 PM
So has anyone seen an Energon Grimlock and Swoop at their local stores? I never seen one around here, and thats all i really wanted from these last few figures that Hasbro put out. :cry: Stinking Scorponoks rule the shelves...

Adam
04-04-2005, 12:59 AM
I haven't seen them since I bought mine..

JediTricks
04-04-2005, 01:34 AM
About EE Starscream - I decided I don't like the mold too much. (Says the guy who owns 4 version of ARMADA Starscream..... but I've become more picky lately. :crazed: ) The shoulder artiulation bugs me, and I dont like having the null rays out all the time.I think you'll regret this, but you still have time to change your sinful ways. ;) It really brings this mold to life, it feels "right" to me in both transformations, it would look good even if G1 Starscream hadn't been in these colors. The mold is unchanged of course, so your issues are still there, but I think this one is worth picking up none the less.


JT - originally it was thought that the characters from planet Speedia, which Autolander and Skids originate from, did not have faction emblems because they are not part of either faction when they first appear. If this was the case, Takara seems to have changed their minds with this in regaurds to the beast figures. They all seem to have them, although I can't remember if Flame Convoy does.I hadn't heard that about Speedia, I know the later Speedia figs have symbols, but I didn't notice that the big green guy from wave 1 doesn't.


I haven't seen Grimlock/Swoop in stores, I hear they've been pushed out of the case by crappy Overcast, making Hasbro dumber than dumb. I may not find the Dinbot set appealing, but enough other collectors do and NOBODY cares about another pressing of that unpopular Jetfire mold.

Adam
04-07-2005, 12:54 PM
I saw EE Starscream a week or so before I found Roadblock, and I didn't feel like I wanted it..

Chaddymac
04-17-2005, 04:31 PM
I found Wheeljack at the Wal-Mart in LA on Crenshaw, but there was no Shockblast. I'd thought they came in a case together and I can't imagine why anybody would buy Shocky and leave Wheeljack, but whatever. There's a Ravage and a Windcharger left, I believe. Still haven't found Shocky here, but I've heard he's been around.

JediTricks
04-17-2005, 04:53 PM
Did you buy ALT Wheeljack, and if so, how is he? I am still unsure if I will bother with that design or not.

Tycho
04-17-2005, 05:37 PM
Oh I'd buy Wheeljack! Now I'll have to go out hunting for him!

But I never bought Grimlock because he's supposed to turn into a dinosaur.

But Wheeljack is done almost exactly as he should be (as an Alternator) but with respect to the First Generation Transformers.

Meanwhile, it's nice of Hasbro to send out something else I want to buy at this economically sensitive time (Revenge of the Sith) :rolleyes:

Chaddymac
04-17-2005, 06:25 PM
Did you buy ALT Wheeljack, and if so, how is he? I am still unsure if I will bother with that design or not.
He's not perfect, JT. I love what they did with his sword, And I really like the design, but there are paint runoff, the whites don't match perfectly, and they didn't paint the engine like they painted Grimlock's. And the doors fall off way too easily. And he doesn't really have eyes. But I love him. I love all these Alternators.

JediTricks
04-18-2005, 08:17 PM
Wow, that sounds pretty bad, the doors on Grimlock come off way easy so anything worse would be like an old Ford Pinto or something. ;) What did they do with his sword?

Chaddymac
04-18-2005, 08:21 PM
Wow, that sounds pretty bad, the doors on Grimlock come off way easy so anything worse would be like an old Ford Pinto or something. ;) What did they do with his sword?
You know how Grimlock's sword is clear in the middle with an orange flame and a flat orange painted handle? For Wheeljack, the center of the sword is transparent blue, the outside is clear, and the handle is transparent. It has a very nice look and just the fact that it's both a different color and a different style rocks my socks. And yeah, the doors falling off is annoying, but I've transformed him a few times now and it might have just been that the joints where so stiff they popped out without any give. But the doors are pretty bad, regardless.

JediTricks
04-22-2005, 08:19 PM
I've always liked the BM Blastcharge mold, but never its colors, so when I saw this TFU fig I was surprised and caved, making it my first TFU purchase (besides Nemesis Prime, I just remembered). This one is packaged with upper tray instead of any twisties, hallelujah!!! Only the missiles are twistied into the tray, and that's cake. Instructions have been perverted to serious confusion with tri-lingo text on each step, very few panels, shows 3-wheeled mode though, but neglects gimmicks.

TFU Blastcharge's black color with silver urban camo "rips" looks pretty sharp, nothing chromed this time, and transparent blue plastic a welcome change to the red of the original's, purple wheels not that bad looking actually; the silver plastic is a little dull and the lighter purple elements aren't that great, but still an improvement. Bot mode head sticks out worse in vehicle mode now though. Front bumper sports only Decepticon symbol, and it's TINY! Spark crystal behind the grill totally removed this time, kinda bummed about that since now you can see through the front end a little. Some Parts and joints feel a little cheaper here and there, nothing disasterous I'd say, and the front and back wheels are a little looser so there's a bit more wobble but they also roll on smooth surfaces better.

Bot mode adds a few orangey-yellow accents, the silver plastic elements including the head now seem more out of place, and the purple hips and upper arms seem a little too lavender, but it's not that bad. In intended mode, Blastcharge can't stand at all anymore, workarounds are either inverting hips so they're backwards and knees don't work (which is how I always used to transform the original, it's more stable), or instead rotate the "feet" around so the stupid-large toes are heelspurs (I think this looks better, helps offset the big missile-launching chest). The original's free-rotating foot issue is now even worse ;). Blue missiles can still be unofficially stowed between wheel-shoulders or held as clubs. The bot mode is still not going to be to everybody's liking but I think it looks nifty and robot-y, very different and mechanical.

All in all, I still like the mold and I like the alt mode paint enough to recommend it possibly over the original even.

Tycho
04-29-2005, 02:06 PM
Wheeljack....just got him.

Can anyone stand Wheeljack (or Grimlock) on their own 2 feet without support?

Every other Alternator stands on its own in robot mode.

With this, the flimsy-ness, and the doors falling off, this one might disappoint me more than Meister.


I rank mine from best to worst:

Ultimate Prime
Tracks
Sideswipe
Smokescreen
Hound
Meister
Wheeljack

Unfortunately, some of the newer ones have been showing a decline in quality rather than an improvement. :mad:

Chaddymac
04-29-2005, 03:15 PM
Wheeljack....just got him.

Can anyone stand Wheeljack (or Grimlock) on their own 2 feet without support?

Every other Alternator stands on its own in robot mode.

With this, the flimsy-ness, and the doors falling off, this one might disappoint me more than Meister.


I rank mine from best to worst:

Ultimate Prime
Tracks
Sideswipe
Smokescreen
Hound
Meister
Wheeljack

Unfortunately, some of the newer ones have been showing a decline in quality rather than an improvement. :mad:
I've never had a probem standing Wheeljack or Grimlock. Are you positioning his feet/seats all the way to the front of his leg/ankle area? That joint has a lot of articulation so he can strike a number of poses without support. Wheeljack's flimsyness, however, seems to belong to him alone. Grimlock has none of those problems. I'm surprised you put Meister so low on the list. I would have tied him with Tracks and definintely but him ahead of the Viper molds. And he's a way better figure than Smokescreen, even though they're based around the same transformation scheme. I can't wait to find Shockblast.

darthvyn
04-29-2005, 05:55 PM
yeah, i don't share the outlook of the decline in quality as time goes on... my rank of what i have (i won't include prime, i mean, he's not really an alternator, and none of them can compare anyway...)

meister
smokescreen/silverstreak
windcharger
tracks
sideswipe
hound

i think meister is an improvement on the (already fantastic) smokescreen/silverstreak transformation. meister is just more refined. the only thing i didn't like about smoke/silver was that you kind of had to fuss with the posts with the magnets on them to get the arms in the correct position. i always felt like i was forcing them. (a hold-over terror from my broken dinobot "snarl"...) whearas meister doesn't have that problem. his legs/feet are better, since the back window isn't attached, and i like the fact that he has real looking back seats. the ONLY thing (besides the fact that he SHOULD be called jazz,) is that his head doesn't have great articulation. that said, everything else is an A++.

hound has amazing leg articulation, but his tiny T-Rex arms, and the hollow chest kinda detract from the coolness. although, i've found if you stuff the wheels back up into the wheel wells when in bot form, it not only gets them out of the way, but it fills up the chest a little. the only thing is, this means he can't twist at the waist, but i find the articulation in his legs makes up for this. the main detraction is all the crap hanging off his back. they couldn't have made the rollcage into some kinda break-apart bo staff or something? that would've been cool. not in character, but cool...

tracks is awesome, but hard to transform, and after he is in robot form, he's kinda... i dunno... jagged. like he's a bunch of pieces of broken glass. the doors are the biggest problem, but the front quarter panels impede his mobility as well. but the fact that he's so armed is awesome, and i view the doors and such as his "armor."

i see windcharger as a refinement of both the sideswipe and tracks transformations. took the best of each and combined them, with a couple new additions to the mix.

Tycho
04-29-2005, 11:17 PM
OK. I get it. I was doing Wheeljack's feet wrong.

Now he's improved for me a lot!

The instructions are not always clear enough that I can tell from the pictures what I'm doing. Other times I think I'm so smart that I don't fully study the directions. I think the latter happened this time.

Thank you all for the opportunity to share with you how stupid I am. It's been a pleasure keeping you informed. :rolleyes:

JediTricks
05-01-2005, 04:33 PM
How could you be doing the feet wrong? You just fold the seatpan flat and it's a foot, right? At least it's working for you now, good to know. After hearing how flimsy he is, I think I'll end up passing on Wheeljack unless some glowing reviews start coming down.

I think so far, many of the resculpts have been slightly lesser quality. Of the new sculpts, I think Grimlock and then Meister have the most parts come off, but neither are a major problem the way Wheeljack is being described, that's too bad.

Chaddymac
05-01-2005, 04:59 PM
How could you be doing the feet wrong? You just fold the seatpan flat and it's a foot, right? At least it's working for you now, good to know. After hearing how flimsy he is, I think I'll end up passing on Wheeljack unless some glowing reviews start coming down.

I think so far, many of the resculpts have been slightly lesser quality. Of the new sculpts, I think Grimlock and then Meister have the most parts come off, but neither are a major problem the way Wheeljack is being described, that's too bad.
shockblast kicks ***. People have complained about his head and hood not being as compatible as meister was with his, but once you figure out that the head and hood need to be lowered simultaneously, it works fine. Meister was such a good mold, shocky doesnt seem yo suffer from the same clone issues as the other remolds. i'm very pleased.

JediTricks
05-01-2005, 05:40 PM
My shocky does have problems, even in alt mode out of the box the inner panel on the hood was loose, has nothing to do with transformation, also the trunk doesn't fit quite right, and the gun-hand isn't screwed together tight enough. It's a good fig, but mine definitely suffers from remold syndrome.

Chaddymac
05-01-2005, 08:45 PM
My shocky does have problems, even in alt mode out of the box the inner panel on the hood was loose, has nothing to do with transformation, also the trunk doesn't fit quite right, and the gun-hand isn't screwed together tight enough. It's a good fig, but mine definitely suffers from remold syndrome.
Mine really doesn't have those problems...except the hood thing, but it was easy enough to fix. Turned out the little hood's pegs were so tight, they weren't all the way through the big hood's holes so it wasn't actually plugged into the front. I just pushed the peg the rest of the way through: problem solved. The trunk fits fine and the gun hand doesn't have any problems.

But I've been hearing the same things over and over about Wheeljack. A real shame. If Hasbro's QC had been able to catch and correct those issues, he would've been a top notch figure.

kool-aid killer
05-02-2005, 02:39 PM
I finally seen Alpha Q at a Target i visited today. It seemed odd looking at a Transformer figure that doesnt transform. I left him behind though because i had little interest in him.

Lately ive been passing on the Alternators, even Shockwave. Hopefully once im caught up with ROTS figures he will still be around.

Adam
05-20-2005, 12:00 AM
Cybertron toys have started popping up in New Zealand, so it won't be too much longer untill we start getting them!

megaprime33
05-26-2005, 01:36 PM
I use to be an avid TF collector, but once Energon came out I stopped. I just really don't like this line. Seems way to simplistic to me which means less fun in transforming them. It kind of started with Armada. Those figures were simplistic in a way but not as bad as energon. Ever tried watching the show? It's unbearable. There are a few figures for Cybertron that look kind of cool, but I'm already soured. The reissues were nice but TRU killed it with their overpricing so there went that line. The only saving grace IMO is the Alternator line. Great figures! They did come out with the anniversary Prime figure, which is amazing, and then came out with Ultra Magnus but that's just a simple repaint of Prime. Pathetic. Lets just hope the movie will be good, but I have my doubts about that too.

That's just my little rant on transformers :D

kool-aid killer
05-26-2005, 01:52 PM
I can understand how you feel, i really havent been very big in Transformers collecting since Beast Wars. I rarely bought any Armada or Energon figures for myself and i dont feel like ive missed out on much. I like the Alts but have kind of dropped the line with all the new Star Wars product out. Cybertron looks like it could reinvigorate my interest though, so im looking forward to it.

megaprime33
05-31-2005, 09:16 AM
Has anyone seen the new ehobby repaint of G1 Kup to look like Orion Pax? I'm not all that crazy about it but if they're going to do a repaint of a figure for Pax I think they picked the right one.

kool-aid killer
05-31-2005, 10:54 AM
I seen it and i thought it was kind of cool. Im going to be passing on both Kup and Orion Pax though. I believe Orion Pax will be a Targetmaster too.

megaprime33
05-31-2005, 01:30 PM
Yeah I don't plan on buying them either. The only ehobby i ever got was the red tracks version. I needed it for my tracks collection. I have both versions of g1 kup(regular and targetmaster)anyways so. That black blitzwing though looks pretty cool.

Chaddymac
05-31-2005, 04:43 PM
Yeah I don't plan on buying them either. The only ehobby i ever got was the red tracks version. I needed it for my tracks collection. I have both versions of g1 kup(regular and targetmaster)anyways so. That black blitzwing though looks pretty cool.
I don't have Kup, so I'll get him. I AM tempted by Orion Pax, but I'm probably gonna pass. Too expensive. I do want to know what they plan to do with Wheelie, though. Not likely to tip the scales, but there's potential.

megaprime33
05-31-2005, 05:17 PM
I don't have Kup, so I'll get him. I AM tempted by Orion Pax, but I'm probably gonna pass. Too expensive. I do want to know what they plan to do with Wheelie, though. Not likely to tip the scales, but there's potential.
I really don't see any potential in wheelie whatsoever. I mean really what can they do to make him not suck. The only colors that spring to mind are silver and black, but to be honest, I dont think he can pull it off.

Chaddymac
05-31-2005, 05:25 PM
I really don't see any potential in wheelie whatsoever. I mean really what can they do to make him not suck. The only colors that spring to mind are silver and black, but to be honest, I dont think he can pull it off.
Yeah, you could paint him anything and he'll still bite. Which is probably why they haven't shown us his new scheme; they haven't decided what to do with him yet. I'm not giving it a LOT of potential, but I'm leaving the door open to be surprised.

But it's still too daggon expensive.

megaprime33
06-01-2005, 01:27 PM
Ehobby exclusives are always expensive but they do great work. I would have bought more had I had more of an interest in them. I loved their recolors of the insecticons with their Diaclone colors, but not enough to actually buy them. Same with Astrotrain. if it wasn't for their prices I would consider getting more.

darthvyn
06-02-2005, 12:52 PM
FINALLY found new alts... picked up shock(wave)blast and wheel-lock. i mean grim-jack. i mean wheeljack.

verdict: shockwaveblast is the BEST ALTERNATOR EVER. since he's already built on the superior jazzmeister platform, he's in the top category. but what puts this guy over the top, is the AWESOME color of the car, the gun hand, and something no one pointed out that i can remember, THE LIGHT-PIPE EYE!!!! i love light-pipe eyes!!! and it totally fits him! now i wish they'd done it with all the alts!!! i had a small issue with the hood/head hole, but the pegs weren't all the way in the slots. no prob now.

i really enjoy wheeljack as well, but now i wish he had light-pipe eyes, because he looks like he's "turned off" - the eyes are very dark. his transformation is complex, but not too hard, and i don't even mind the big floorpan plank behind him, although when i finally display him (in the middle of packing to move, so i don't have any toys out right now...) i might snap it off for robomode. color scheme is cool, and i like the gun and sword. i'm very surprised by the amount of articulation in those huge bulky legs.

they also had battle ravage, but i didn't want to push my luck. (the little lady footed the bill with her target card, even though we just paid rent in two places and needed to buy groceries... i love her!!!)

too bad i missed grimlock. i'll have to find him in ebay i guess.

JediTricks
06-03-2005, 05:49 PM
I saw Wheeljack last night, but I couldn't pull the trigger, I just don't have enough affinity for the body design, and I've heard nothing but negative comments about the QC. Plus, I can't picture Wheeljack with a horizontal torso the way this figure is, I'm not normally a G1 stickler but Wheeljack doesn't look this way at all.

Tycho
06-04-2005, 02:54 AM
I saw this discussion of Kup and then realized it was old-school figures being revisited.

Essential Alternators would still include:

Kup
Hot Rod
Blurr
Springer
RC
Wreck-Gar
Ultra Magnus

BumbleBee
Ironhide

To stick with real cars might be a challenge for the future "TF Movie era" cars, but they could do exotics like a Lamborghini there.

I don't want Kup and Ultra Magnus to be repaints of Ironhide and Ultimate Prime, however.

Could they get a triple-changer out of an alternator for Springer? That'd be the best product made yet if they could figure out how to do it!

A Harley-Davidson for Wreck-Gar could be a very interesting twist to the Alternator line as well!

JediTricks
06-06-2005, 09:10 PM
To accomodate VW and other "no-war-toys" companies, I think Takara and Hasbro should try to do those vehicles without weapons, have their biographies (I know Hasbro doesn't do the bios at this point and may never) make them out to be non-combatants. Then Hasbro can just release a weapons pack for Alternators that any of these figs can use. :evil:

darthvyn
06-06-2005, 09:47 PM
To accomodate VW and other "no-war-toys" companies, I think Takara and Hasbro should try to do those vehicles without weapons, have their biographies (I know Hasbro doesn't do the bios at this point and may never) make them out to be non-combatants. Then Hasbro can just release a weapons pack for Alternators that any of these figs can use. :evil:

awesome!!! that's really funny. of course, they could just go the route of mini and make their own knock-off.

http://www.motoringgear.com/Flash/motoringgear.asp

JediTricks
06-07-2005, 12:43 AM
If only that thing was poseable and transformed instead of being a statue, I'd be all over that idea! :D

megaprime33
06-07-2005, 12:26 PM
This is according to the rumor mill so take this with a grain of salt, but the next Takara reissue will be Star Convoy. Now I have no idea what kind of TF fans you are, but Star Convoy was released in Japan and is a huge fan favorite. Click the link for an ebay auction of the original.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4696&item=5979676987&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

Tycho
06-07-2005, 12:31 PM
My friend just lent me The Transformers Season 1 DVD set and "The Movie" DVD. Of course I'd seen both years ago and rented the movie in more recent years, but I'm having a blast of a time!

Decepticons of importance that must be addressed in the Alternators line are:

Megatron
Starscream
Soundwave
Thundercracker
Skywarp
Rumble
Reflector
Laserbeak

How do you do that?

Megatron needs to be some kind of tank or a Hummer with a cannon.

Starscream, Thundercracker, and Skywarp need to be McDonnel-Douglas licensed F-15's, or something newer, but appropriate. For them, I'd buy the repaints if necessary. If they wanted to make them different kinds of jets, or even one (not Starscream) a helicopter, that'd be cool and make for a nice variety.

Reflector might be a TV News Camera Van. Thank about it.

Soundwave could be either a radar spy plane, or a mobile satelite command vehicle - something with a sound dish. There's no way they can make a walkman scaled to be the right size, and then transform into a robot almost Optimus Prime's size.

Laserbeak could be one of those remote controlled, unmanned spy planes. That would be appropriate.

SHOCKWAVE should have been a repaint of whatever they decided upon for Megatron.

RAVAGE should have been a Jaguar-brand sportscar that turned into a jaguar with a tail - or they could have jointed that Corvette to walk on all fours and have a tail you could fold into the car chasis.

DEAD END should have had the correct head.

SWINDLE's good. I have to admit it.

DRAGSTRIP's cool as well.



For the Autobots:

Ironhide's a must-have. Hope that Ford F-350's coming!
Ratchet was a main character.
Cliffjumper was as well.
Brawn.
Mirage. I don't know if a formula race car would work with Alternators. What else?

How about the new generation?

Hot Rod could be a Lamborghini or Ferrari if they got the license - since they didn't use one for Sideswipe.

Blurr could be whichever from those two they didn't use for Hot Rod.

Kup? Kup could be the repaint of Ironhide, perhaps with "offroard dirt details."

RC....Any ideas?

Springer - what could you do for a triple-changer? I think you'll have to start with an Apache Helicopter. Then see what parts you can fold into an auto-vehicle. Springer, if all modes looked like something realistic, could be the ultimate Alternator triumph.

Ultra Magnus - a truck of course. A car carrier with trailer to be sure. But something that does not use the 20th Anniversary mold of Prime.

----------------------------------------------------------------

Cyclonus could be a stealth fighter
Scourge could still be a hovercraft
Galvatron? Good question....

megaprime33
06-07-2005, 12:54 PM
Hasbro will never do jets for the alternators line because scale wise they will be way too big. They would have to be 1:14 instead of 1:24. Which would up the price for them which they probably won't do. I think the same goes with Megs and a Hummer or a tank. If it's not a car, they Hasbro won't do it. Plus think about licensing. I beleive this was already discussed but VW won't give them a license for the bug to do bumblebee because the company doesn't want to be associated with "war toys".

El Chuxter
06-07-2005, 02:05 PM
What is the status of the Alternators right now? I've got everyone so far, but the only forthcoming figure I know of is called "Decepticharge." I'm undecided as to whether to get it when I find it, since that isn't exactly a real name for an actual character.

I've heard of nothing beyond Decepticharge, and the fact that I could still easily pick up Smokescreen a full 18 months after I found him--and at quite a few stores that don't seem to have received much of anything beyond Silverstreak--really, really worries me.

megaprime33
06-07-2005, 02:42 PM
What is the status of the Alternators right now? I've got everyone so far, but the only forthcoming figure I know of is called "Decepticharge." I'm undecided as to whether to get it when I find it, since that isn't exactly a real name for an actual character.

I've heard of nothing beyond Decepticharge, and the fact that I could still easily pick up Smokescreen a full 18 months after I found him--and at quite a few stores that don't seem to have received much of anything beyond Silverstreak--really, really worries me.
The new rumor that's out is they're gonna make a mazda MPV. If you're not sure what it looks like, it's a one of those minivan/SUV kinda things. Could be a ratchet/ironhide, maybe a skids, who knows. I wouldnt consider this credible. Again, just a rumor.

Tycho
06-07-2005, 04:09 PM
OK, an OLD rumor was that Hasbro was going to UP THE PRICE for jets to either a $30 or up to $50 pricepoint.

I'd pay that for Starscream, as well as repaints for Thundercracker and Skywarp.

Would McDonnel-Douglas allow licensing for "evil toys?" That's the question. (They can repaint figures as Powerglide and Jetfire of course :rolleyes: )

But I paid nearly $70 for the Ultimate Prime 20th Anniversary, which is not an Alternator by only name (scale and features would seem to argue he is an Alternator anyway).

The Jets, which could ship in relatively flat boxes, might be larger, but are still very "stockable" for toy retailers.

Anyway, as to mini-vans or SUV's? Well, while Ironhide could still be done that way, Trailbreaker comes to mind for sure!

Anyway, I just watched The Movie and I want Rodimus Prime as an Alternator, too. What the heck could he be made to turn into?

Chaddymac
06-07-2005, 09:42 PM
What is the status of the Alternators right now? I've got everyone so far, but the only forthcoming figure I know of is called "Decepticharge." I'm undecided as to whether to get it when I find it, since that isn't exactly a real name for an actual character.

I've heard of nothing beyond Decepticharge, and the fact that I could still easily pick up Smokescreen a full 18 months after I found him--and at quite a few stores that don't seem to have received much of anything beyond Silverstreak--really, really worries me.
Prowl is coming as an Acura RSX, coming per Toy Fair and other internet news. Looks...interesting.

As for Star Convoy, I'm not terribly surprised. seeing as how Galaxy Force Convoy is so reminiscent of the figure, it's a good way to capitalize on the viewer recognition.

I'm just so excited about Wheelie!!! :crazed:

Tycho
06-07-2005, 11:23 PM
http://www.binalternators.de/binaltech_english.html

my first Alternators resource page has confirmed a $30 price-point Alternator exclusive for Toys R Us.

Also is discussed Hot Rod's return in a Toyota. (I'll wait to see the model and the paint application before I grumble).

Chaddymac
06-08-2005, 12:24 AM
http://www.binalternators.de/binaltech_english.html

my first Alternators resource page has confirmed a $30 price-point Alternator exclusive for Toys R Us.

Also is discussed Hot Rod's return in a Toyota. (I'll wait to see the model and the paint application before I grumble).
yeah, Tycho, but it's still a rumor. All they know is that there's a listing in the computer (and sometimes they have toys listed that never make it to stores; sometimes they have toys at the stores that aren't in the computers right away. It's a crazy system!) We don't even know for sure what the listing is for. Heck, it could be mislabeled, knowing the corp. as intimately as I do.

I'm just saying, don't get your hopes up. Just wait and see. As for the Toyota, I'm pretty sure a competitor has the Toyota license...

Tycho
06-08-2005, 01:35 AM
A competitor to Hasbro? For Transforming action figures?

Mattel might have licenses to produce replicas for all Hot Wheels - but those aren't Transformers.


Car Companies that have no Transformer Alternators yet:

Chevy (if you don't count Corvette)
Chrisler
Toyota
Nissan
Geo
Saturn
GMC
Pontiac
Mercedes
BMW
Porsche
Volkswagon
Ferrari
Lamborghini
Isuzu
Jaguar
Lexus


Jet Companies:

McDonnel-Douglas
General Dynamics
Boeing
Grumann

Constuction Companies:

Catapillar

Military Companies:

Hummer
Abrams


Motorcycle Companies:

Kawasaki
Harley-Davidson
Susuki
Yamaha

There's a lot that could still be done.