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Chaddymac
11-28-2012, 12:48 PM
ALSO, some enterprising fan from Asia figured out a fairly easy mod to Springer to give him a pretty convincing third car mode. There are a bunch of takes on it, this being one of them: http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-feedback/630096-generations-gdo-deluxe-springer-11.html#post8089564

That was badass!

JediTricks
11-28-2012, 02:41 PM
Anybody want the GDO Swerve I picked up last month for $12 plus tax? Otherwise he's going back to the store, I realized once I got it home that I didn't really want it, it didn't say "Swerve" to me.


Picked up GDO Brawl (Scout class). I loved this mold with Breacher, and having the same mold in military green with brown makes it even better. Breacher's head works well as a Decepticon, and the colors work excellently (all green in vehicle mode, balanced mix in bot mode) - it reminds me of Full Armor Gundam a bit. The only problem is that he's not really "Brawl", they should have used a different name for this character.


Went to TRU to get a Thomas the Tank Engine set, and saw the China/TRU G2-styled Megatron. He looked amazing. I will not deny that. And, at $22.99, he was rather reasonable for the scale.

However, I had to pass. Kickarse G2 head or not, this is the third use of this sculpt, and I have both the previous versions. It fits Bludgeon like a glove. It fits Banzai-Tron pretty well, too (not like the guy ever did anything except in the IDW version of the comic, and I think he died pretty quickly there). But it's not Megatron. Megatron is simply not a master of Metallikato, and the mold does not suit him.I think they saw that this was a tank and G2 Megs was a tank so they didn't care that the underlying robots were vastly different, that this mold is too spindly for Megs.


Also saw a total of 6 TFP Vehicons at two Targets. A few months ago, I wouldn't have imagined being able to army build them so easily (I passed them all up btw)That's exactly how I felt at Target La Brea last week seeing 4 of 'em after getting my 2 the day prior. And I also stopped at the 4 I have, leaving all 4 on Target La Brea's shelves. So crazy. And then I go into Target West LA yesterday and all the Vehicons are gone, it's just 3 pegs full of those stupid Bumblebees again only now with DVDs. What the HELL was Hasbro thinking reissuing that figure? The market already spoke loudly that they didn't want it in any colorscheme or even as a different character, and yet here we are again back to square one.


I went to 6 different area stores this weekend and found nothing. In fact, my TRU finally broke out the Kup/Wheeljack/Warpath wave. So I'm assuming I see the Combaticons around July of 2014.Ouch, I've noticed TRU is finding a lot of old stock with Generations but that's really bad.


Laserbeak is pretty cool. Reminds me of his Cybertron mode from G1. I have him hanging out with my X-9 Jaguar from Beast Wars.Agreed, although I don't have that BW figure. Maybe I should get LB together with my Japanese Cybertron Starscream and WFC Soundwave... oh, I forgot, that figure is lost in the sea of unpacked boxes.


While out of town for the holiday, I got into some of my older figures which are being stored at my parent's place. I could not believe the quality of plastic and paint apps (not to mention the afforementioned size). Compared to the FOC figures... I'm very angry with Hasbro. Raise the price and cut the quality? We should not be supporting that. I have been so far removed from the older figures, I didn't realize how royally we were being screwed. I am genuinely considering only buying Japanese MP's from here on out.Welcome to the party, late but still glad to have you. I have been feeling similarly about the downhill quality and pricing situation the last couple months, but I don't do Japanese MPs so for me it'd be essentially nothing.


If you get Generations Cliffjumper, BE CAREFUL. I'm not sure if it's a carryover from the Prime mold, but the plastic is incredibly brittle. I actually broke off (not snapped off :() the front grill assembly when trying to decipher those ridiculously unhelpful instructions. I was able to fix it to my satisfaction (so I don't have to risk not finding another); it seems solid enough to transform carefully and I rarely transform them from robot mode anyway. But he's also got stress marks in other spots that I don't even remember touching during transformation (like the pipe-ish connector-looking thing under his right hand).

Bottom line: be gentle with him. He's not as rugged as he'd have you believe. ;)I opened that figure and have not had any trouble with it at all, transformed it a few times. I eschewed its instructions, having recently transformed SDCC Cliffjumper via his unhelpful instructions instead and figured it out there. Sorry to hear yours busted off, kinda curious what you were trying to do when it broke.


It's been a common problem with the new run of FE Terrorcon Cliffjumpers so I wouldn't be surprised if the GDO version also had issues. The new run of the FE voyagers have horrendous QC problems. Prime is missing paint apps and I've read about many Bulkheads that are breaking out of the box! It's really sad, as they are both really great figures.Damn, I haven't even found FE Bulkhead yet and now I have to worry about it being ruined right away. Haven't found OP either but I already knew about the paint so I steeled myself there.


ALSO, some enterprising fan from Asia figured out a fairly easy mod to Springer to give him a pretty convincing third car mode. There are a bunch of takes on it, this being one of them: http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-feedback/630096-generations-gdo-deluxe-springer-11.html#post8089564Very clever!

El Chuxter
11-28-2012, 10:42 PM
Anybody want the GDO Swerve I picked up last month for $12 plus tax? Otherwise he's going back to the store, I realized once I got it home that I didn't really want it, it didn't say "Swerve" to me.
I got one, and also think he's not Swerve-y. He's become a major player in the current More Than Meets the Eye ongoing comic, and is an overly talkative, lovable loser/scoundrel type of character. IIRC, this is the only time the character's amounted to anything in any G1-based media spinoff. This mold doesn't fit the personality of him in that series, and (though it didn't actually occur to me until after I'd opened him) the headsculpt doesn't look like the original head at all. Also, the box art makes his face look "younger" than it really is (we're not talking Kup or Alpha Trion old, but at least Ironhide old), which makes it even less Swerve-y. Also, there are some flaws in the Kup sculpt that the teal-and-grey color scheme hid well (so well I didn't notice them on Kup until I did a side-by-side comparison), but the red-and-white accentuates.

I like him, but he's just not Swerve to me. Weird thing is, I would've been happy if he was red and blue, with this new headsculpt, and they called him Gears. Gears was always a curmudgeon and seemed like a bit of a "heavy" even though he wasn't.


I think they saw that this was a tank and G2 Megs was a tank so they didn't care that the underlying robots were vastly different, that this mold is too spindly for Megs.
I figured the same. Seeing the vehicle mold, though, I'm reconsidering buying him and leaving him in tank form. Even though G2 never happened (just don't ask what happened to Destro's castle), it's still a cool design, and the garish color scheme works surprisingly well.


I opened that figure and have not had any trouble with it at all, transformed it a few times. I eschewed its instructions, having recently transformed SDCC Cliffjumper via his unhelpful instructions instead and figured it out there. Sorry to hear yours busted off, kinda curious what you were trying to do when it broke.
The final step involving the hood assembly. You're supposed to pull the grill up slightly, fold in the two sides, and pivot the fenders. The instructions were clear as mud, and the fenders were incredibly tight. The grill is connected to the hood by way of a pivot joint involving a metal rod, which tore clean through the plastic when I tried to rotate it too far when trying to figure out what the hell to do with the fenders. Like I said, it was a clean break, and I was able to put it back on and bend the torn plastic in shape enough to hold. For me, knowing it's an issue, it would be fine, but the toy would be ruined for even the most careful child playing with it.

BTW, I also discovered I'd not fully transformed Wheelie's legs (not extending them to their full length). I noticed this when trying to balance him on Masterpiece Grimlock's back. (If you have both figures, go ahead and tell me you haven't tried to do this. Tell me, and I'll call you a liar right now. :D) Extending them lets him sit on Grimlock better (though nothing close to the relative scale of the movie), but I like him with the legs not extended for general display; it doesn't look too stubby, and make him shorter than a lot of his comrades.

figrin bran
11-29-2012, 01:30 PM
FOC Generations wave 3 except for Kickback and Air Raid are up on HTS. Free shipping over $25 is still good plus the $10 coupon for a future purchase. As well, "church10" will save you 10%.

El Chuxter
11-29-2012, 03:06 PM
Starscream's out of stock as well. :( All they had were Ultra Magnus and a few I've got in Earth modes, so I'll wait. I only want Magnus to get one version with the G1 color scheme.

JediTricks
11-29-2012, 03:24 PM
FOC Generations wave 3 except for Kickback and Air Raid are up on HTS. Free shipping over $25 is still good plus the $10 coupon for a future purchase. As well, "church10" will save you 10%.Rats, FOC Starscream is sold out as well. They do have Sideswipe and Ultra Magnus, but I don't know if I want either.

This is a good way to get the FOC Combaticons if you didn't get in on the Target sale though.

Also, they have Airachnid dlx if anybody really wants that awful figure.

JediTricks
11-29-2012, 04:01 PM
I got one, and also think he's not Swerve-y. He's become a major player in the current More Than Meets the Eye ongoing comic, and is an overly talkative, lovable loser/scoundrel type of character. IIRC, this is the only time the character's amounted to anything in any G1-based media spinoff. This mold doesn't fit the personality of him in that series, and (though it didn't actually occur to me until after I'd opened him) the headsculpt doesn't look like the original head at all. Also, the box art makes his face look "younger" than it really is (we're not talking Kup or Alpha Trion old, but at least Ironhide old), which makes it even less Swerve-y. Also, there are some flaws in the Kup sculpt that the teal-and-grey color scheme hid well (so well I didn't notice them on Kup until I did a side-by-side comparison), but the red-and-white accentuates.

I like him, but he's just not Swerve to me. Weird thing is, I would've been happy if he was red and blue, with this new headsculpt, and they called him Gears. Gears was always a curmudgeon and seemed like a bit of a "heavy" even though he wasn't.I already have Kup and that's all I feel like I need from the mold. Gears had a camper shell and a vastly different head, so Swerve couldn't serve that role for me, I like the bed designs to be contiguous on truckformers (also why I'm not keeping Swerve).


I figured the same. Seeing the vehicle mold, though, I'm reconsidering buying him and leaving him in tank form. Even though G2 never happened (just don't ask what happened to Destro's castle), it's still a cool design, and the garish color scheme works surprisingly well.Eh, you already have the mold, your kid eventually will need college money more than you need another pass at that mold. Plus, I feel like taking an underwhelming Megatron on that mold will only diminish the specialness of the Bludgeon figure.



The final step involving the hood assembly. You're supposed to pull the grill up slightly, fold in the two sides, and pivot the fenders. The instructions were clear as mud, and the fenders were incredibly tight. The grill is connected to the hood by way of a pivot joint involving a metal rod, which tore clean through the plastic when I tried to rotate it too far when trying to figure out what the hell to do with the fenders. Like I said, it was a clean break, and I was able to put it back on and bend the torn plastic in shape enough to hold. For me, knowing it's an issue, it would be fine, but the toy would be ruined for even the most careful child playing with it.I checked my GDO instructions, despite being rephotographed with the GDO head, they're not different in steps from the FE ones (as seen here) http://www.unicron.com/tfitem/itemimage_view.php?mode=instructions&itemID=2111&imageID=3019
I couldn't replicate the problem you had, mine wouldn't even show flex when I tried to move it in a way other than the joint would allow, so it's possible that your grille's hinge was manufactured off-axis too close to the edge and it was destined to tear - during the Unicron Trilogy days (Armada, Energon, Cybertron) I had a number of figures with hingepins shot through the part wrong like that.

You might want to consider gluing the part closed, but don't use superglue/krazy glue because it'd bond the plastic to the metal.


BTW, I also discovered I'd not fully transformed Wheelie's legs (not extending them to their full length). I noticed this when trying to balance him on Masterpiece Grimlock's back. (If you have both figures, go ahead and tell me you haven't tried to do this. Tell me, and I'll call you a liar right now. :D) Extending them lets him sit on Grimlock better (though nothing close to the relative scale of the movie), but I like him with the legs not extended for general display; it doesn't look too stubby, and make him shorter than a lot of his comrades.A lot of people had that problem on the original use of that mold, Jazz. I didn't buy Wheelie when I had the chance, instead stashing him for a fellow forumite, I just don't like Wheelie or that Jazz mold enough to invest in it again when I was very low on funds. I passed on Springer at the same time.

figrin bran
12-10-2012, 11:12 AM
I saw a lone FE Bulkhead at TRU last Friday so those FE Voyagers are starting to hit.

FOC Starscream is on the way and I should have it soon.

I opened up TFP Voyager Magnus and I guess I like the mild better than some people but his rifle/hammer is exhibit A for why mech tech weapons must be done away with. While the concept of being able to convert the gun into a hammer wasn't a bad one, it's just too bulky and unwieldy and UM's ball jointed shoulders just aren't designed to be able to carry a weapon that large.

Also they packed only one of his red tipped missiles (just like how deluxe Arcee only came with one blade). I did find a suitable weapon for him, though, in Arcee's giant blaster - too big for her but perfect for Ultra Magnus.

Also, GDO Springer, Cliffjumper and Wheelie arrived from TRU.com but I'm going to save them for Christmas to open up.

El Chuxter
12-12-2012, 01:52 PM
Slightly mis-transform Lazerbeak, and he's a pretty cool-looking "space condor."

JediTricks
12-12-2012, 02:54 PM
Thanks for the info on FE Bulkhead, I guess I'll start looking for him soon.

FOC Starscream evaded me by a matter of seconds, I had him in my cart at HTS but by the time I got to checkout he had sold through. I hate their system, it's totally boneheaded. Ben Yee posted his review today, and while he cheerleaded it as he often does, his images tempered my frustration at missing the figure, it doesn't look so good that I should kick myself for not getting in.

Chaddymac
12-12-2012, 05:29 PM
Slightly mis-transform Lazerbeak, and he's a pretty cool-looking "space condor."

That's why I bought him. He's now sharing shelf space with Beast Wars Metals Jaguar X-9 (aka Covert Agent Ravage).

figrin bran
12-13-2012, 05:05 PM
FE Bulkhead is up on TRU's site currently. BOGO 50% on TF's is going on as well.

And apparently, MP Prime has gone up another $10 to $129.99!

JediTricks
12-14-2012, 04:31 PM
Rats, I didn't see that in time and now there's no BOGO. FE OP is also up, but not listed under "First Edition"
http://www.toysrus.com/product/index.jsp?productId=11896430

I can't afford these right now without the BOGO, so I guess I'm passing.


That's crazy about MP Prime's price increase! It's a nice piece, but $130 is outrageous for what it really is.

Adam
12-14-2012, 08:42 PM
Still better than the $250 some paid for the Takara version, haha.

JetsAndHeels
12-15-2012, 12:45 PM
Hey guys. Hope all is well.

Since my last post in here, I have purchased the following:

GDO Voyagers Hot Spot, Powerdive, Megatron
GDO Deluxes Springer, Swerve, Wheelie
FE Deluxes Terrorcon CJ, Vehicon

Prime Voyagers Ultra Magnus and Thundertron

Right now my want list is made up of FOC Starscream, FE Voyagers Prime and Bulkhead, and the Amazon Jetwing Prime, which I am seriously hinting at my wife for a possible Christmas gift since it dropped to $60.

figrin bran
12-15-2012, 01:10 PM
I found the FOC cassette 2 packs (or "data disks") at TRU for 11.99

Also found TFP Voyagers, including Ultra Magnus and Thundertron, at TJ Maxx for only 12.99!! Less than a deluxe.

Adam
12-16-2012, 12:16 AM
Wow, I guess its time to start hitting the discount stores in case Skyquake starts showing up.

Tycho
12-16-2012, 12:57 AM
Good find Figrin. I've been considering that Voyager Ultra Magnus.

That price could make the difference. Did you open him and how do you like him?

El Chuxter
12-16-2012, 08:25 AM
I could've sworn I saw Thundertron at TRU. Aren't those brand new?

Chaddymac
12-16-2012, 10:24 AM
I could've sworn I saw Thundertron at TRU. Aren't those brand new?

For the most part, yes. Most hit retail this week.

El Chuxter
12-16-2012, 06:02 PM
Funny that he's at TJ Maxx. IIRC, the Grapple wave only hit closeout stores months later, not closeout stores and TRU at the same time, when initially scheduled.

JediTricks
12-16-2012, 07:50 PM
Still better than the $250 some paid for the Takara version, haha.Ouch!


Hey guys. Hope all is well.

Since my last post in here, I have purchased the following:

GDO Voyagers Hot Spot, Powerdive, Megatron
GDO Deluxes Springer, Swerve, Wheelie
FE Deluxes Terrorcon CJ, Vehicon

Prime Voyagers Ultra Magnus and Thundertron

Right now my want list is made up of FOC Starscream, FE Voyagers Prime and Bulkhead, and the Amazon Jetwing Prime, which I am seriously hinting at my wife for a possible Christmas gift since it dropped to $60.Hey, good to hear from you. Man, everybody's getting that Thundertron except me, i saw him a few days ago at Target but the deco didn't warrant my very sparse cash.

Except for Jetwing Prime, that is my want list as well. Jetwing Prime at $60 is pretty darn good, the big cannons and the buster gun, I may have to put that on my xmas list as well.


I found the FOC cassette 2 packs (or "data disks") at TRU for 11.99

Also found TFP Voyagers, including Ultra Magnus and Thundertron, at TJ Maxx for only 12.99!! Less than a deluxe.Nice finds, both are crazy prices for opposite reasons! ;)


I could've sworn I saw Thundertron at TRU. Aren't those brand new?Yeah, I just saw Thundertron last week at Target for $21. Insane. My guess is one of the big chains - probably Walmart - has grown tired of Hasbro's troublesome line with the first year of TF Prime and just sold their straggler orders directly to a liquidator. I guess WM because they've had a really poor showing of TF this year, whereas both Target and TRU have stepped up their TF game.

Hey, have Amazon Prime and want Human Alliance Leadfoot for $15? That seller has just 1 left, but there are several more Prime sellers around the same price as well: http://www.amazon.com/Transformers-Alliance-Leadfoot-Sergeant-Steeljaw/dp/B004HM36PS/ref=sr_1_1?s=toys-and-games&ie=UTF8&qid=1355709005&sr=1-1&keywords=leadfoot

Don't forget, your's truly figured out an alternate transformation that makes the figure not suck: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/21/imag0025zt.jpg/

El Chuxter
12-16-2012, 10:20 PM
This may be a stupid question, but I see that the next season (3?) of TF:P is "Beast Hunters" and Thundertron is a member of some previously unknown third faction who wants revenge on the Autobots and Decepticons... and transforms into a weird beast. So I guess it'll be about this third faction hunting the existing guys or vice versa?

Isn't the introduction of a third faction usually a "we jumped the shark; we're desperate to sell new toys" gimmick in these sort of large-team franchises? The only one I can think of that wasn't would be the Dreadnoks, but they were technically in Cobra's employ, and the Iron Grenadiers would be a better example (and even the generally incredible G.I.Joe comic was in danger of jumping the shark at that point). I just thought Prime was doing better than that.

Chaddymac
12-17-2012, 09:18 AM
This may be a stupid question, but I see that the next season (3?) of TF:P is "Beast Hunters" and Thundertron is a member of some previously unknown third faction who wants revenge on the Autobots and Decepticons... and transforms into a weird beast. So I guess it'll be about this third faction hunting the existing guys or vice versa?

Isn't the introduction of a third faction usually a "we jumped the shark; we're desperate to sell new toys" gimmick in these sort of large-team franchises? The only one I can think of that wasn't would be the Dreadnoks, but they were technically in Cobra's employ, and the Iron Grenadiers would be a better example (and even the generally incredible G.I.Joe comic was in danger of jumping the shark at that point). I just thought Prime was doing better than that.

My understanding is that this is the the last season anyway. I'm not sure that a mysterious third faction is a bad thing. RID had the Decepticons, which turned out to be more compelling than not.

El Chuxter
12-17-2012, 11:41 AM
What mean you by "RiD had the Decepticons"? Were they not the main bad guys in that series, or is that a typo?

Chaddymac
12-17-2012, 01:09 PM
What mean you by "RiD had the Decepticons"? Were they not the main bad guys in that series, or is that a typo?

Nope, the Predacons were the main bad guys in that series. Autobots vs. Predacons. And then about halfway through the series, Megatron created the Decepticons, lead by Scourge - the first (I believe) evil clone of Optimus Prime.

Maradona
12-17-2012, 06:11 PM
Picked up two Vehicons at Marshalls. $6.99 each seemed like too good a deal to pass up.

figrin bran
12-18-2012, 12:27 AM
Jetwing Prime is only 52.05 on Amazon now....hmmm...very tempting


Good find Figrin. I've been considering that Voyager Ultra Magnus.

That price could make the difference. Did you open him and how do you like him?

I did open him up and like it quite a bit even though a lot of people don't like him. For your purposes, I think he'll look good displayed with Springer, Kup, Hot Rod etc.

Tycho
12-18-2012, 05:18 AM
Thanks Figrin. Yeah, it will be Voyager Ultra Magnus, Deluxe Rodimus (Rodimus Prime in my display since the scale would be right), and Voyager Springer (think it was a Generations figure).

Deluxe Kup won't fit as he'd be the ROTF Scout Class size to likely be on scale with the other boys.

Now I really need Decepticons in that Voyager scale: Galvatron, Cyclonus, Scourge - but the Deluxe ones might work. I'll have to test it out. Ultra Magnus is naturally larger than all those other guys, but I think the Springer Deluxe that's coming out would probably be more on balance with my scale desire.

Bottom line: I'd like every "main character" made in every size and the Scout size brought back - for main characters of say, Autobot CAR size (so the bigger boys could be Deluxe, and the 'leaders' be Voyager Class - keeping the collection affordable - even while I still love the Leaders and dream of Fallen, Megatron (as the DOTM tanker truck), DOTM Shockwave, movie 1 Bonecrusher, movie 1 Blackout (or ROTF Grindor) all be made in Leader Class, as well as Ultra Magnus, Springer (triple-changing), Cyclonus, Scourge, and Galvatron.

I wonder if the Michael Bay TF4 film will feature these G1.5 characters. Galvatron can't possibly be made out of Megatron though. Optimus pulverized them.

I think there's still Omega Prime or other Prime characters besides Optimus and Sentinel, though isn't there (Chuxter?)

Adam
12-18-2012, 07:00 PM
This may be a stupid question, but I see that the next season (3?) of TF:P is "Beast Hunters" and Thundertron is a member of some previously unknown third faction who wants revenge on the Autobots and Decepticons... and transforms into a weird beast. So I guess it'll be about this third faction hunting the existing guys or vice versa?

Isn't the introduction of a third faction usually a "we jumped the shark; we're desperate to sell new toys" gimmick in these sort of large-team franchises? The only one I can think of that wasn't would be the Dreadnoks, but they were technically in Cobra's employ, and the Iron Grenadiers would be a better example (and even the generally incredible G.I.Joe comic was in danger of jumping the shark at that point). I just thought Prime was doing better than that.

He's actually from the Exiles novel and evidence suggests his faction (the Starseekers) are in the Transformers MMO.


My understanding is that this is the the last season anyway.

Pretty sure it was said after this rumor hit that there would be a season after the upcoming third one.

Darth Metalmute
12-18-2012, 09:16 PM
Finally saw the Bruticus figures. I only picked up two, stupidly...

Tycho
12-18-2012, 09:21 PM
I saw swindle today in Walmart

El Chuxter
12-18-2012, 10:14 PM
Are the Combaticons difficult to find overall? Wouldn't know it in the IE. They're not exactly common, but I've seen them (particularly Brawl and Blast Off, for some reason) quite a few times.


I think there's still Omega Prime or other Prime characters besides Optimus and Sentinel, though isn't there (Chuxter?)
Can't speak for every continuity, but in the original Marvel series, the Matrix listed its holders in this order (apparently counting Primus, who it was the essence of): Primus, Prima, Prime Nova, Sentinel Prime, Optimus Prime, Deathbringer, Thunderwing. Then Optimus Prime restored it to good (after it flirted with evil with those last two, becoming the Dark Matrix) and opened it in the maw of Unicron, killing both and presumably destroying the Matrix. In later text stories, Simon Furman inserted Primon before Prima. (Currently, Bludgeon wants the shattered corpse of Thunderwing, likely for residual, tainted Matrix energy. In the split-off Generation Two continuity, Megatron and Starscream both possessed the Matrix, but only Starscream did anything with it.)

In IDW, the first confirmed Prime is Nova Prime (who passes on the Matrix before leaving to explore an unknown region of space so he can go bad and come back as Nemesis Prime--very long story), then Sentinel Prime. It's a bit blurry after that, with Nominus Prime and Zeta Prime presumably coming immediately afterward, then Optimus Prime.

The whole thing with Hasbro declaring "The Thirteen" to be the same in every universe really screws things up because, well, it just don't fit.

JediTricks
12-19-2012, 03:04 PM
Are the Combaticons difficult to find overall? Wouldn't know it in the IE. They're not exactly common, but I've seen them (particularly Brawl and Blast Off, for some reason) quite a few times. I haven't seen them lately anywhere, but I think that's just holiday rush, there was a time early last month where I saw them a few times.

El Chuxter
12-19-2012, 05:59 PM
Saw Soundwave/Laserbeak, Ravage/Rumble, and Frenzy/Ratbat today. There were quite a few of each. Honestly, for what they're charging, these are crap, plain and simple. Soundwave's the only passable one, but even the BOGO sale at TRU couldn't compel me to buy him since I have the earlier one, and an update would need to be a true improvement and not just a bigger figure with a lousy gimmick.

Did I miss something, and FOC is actually geared toward kiddies who like auto-transform gimmicks? These seemed like they should be full-on "grownup" figures.

figrin bran
12-19-2012, 09:55 PM
I talked myself out of getting FOC Voyager Soundwave and GDO Megatron or Power Dive, TRU's BOGO 40% sale notwithstanding.

Just like Chux, I'm content with WFC Soundwave and I'd rather use that money on something else like the new Lego Tumbler + BAT set.

Tycho
12-20-2012, 12:16 AM
I got Voyager Ultra Magnus, Deluxe Vehicon, and (2) Cyberverse Mirage.

The Voyager jets are kind of nice, but I'd like something with forward swept wings that reminds me of Cyclonus, unless it can really BE Cyclonus.

G1.5 Decepticons now need some love, and ALL G1.5ers need Cyberverse.

I know Springer (as a Deluxe repaint) is coming out.

Tycho
12-23-2012, 10:05 PM
I found most of the Combaticons at Wal-Mart: 2 Swindle, 1 Vortex, and 1 BlastOff, and 1 Onslaught (he's not the center commander any more, but Brawl is?!?) Guess his movie star promotion helped and Michael Bay got him a promotion for playing "Devastator."

Anyway, I did not purchase these, and I wasn't too impressed with them either. Except...wait for it...Blast Off looks pretty cool. I might have to purchase him singularly. It's a better-than-decent sculpt and alt mode as well.

Scale-wise, I think he'd make a great Astrotrain stand-in next to Cyberverse Legions and Commanders.

JediTricks
12-24-2012, 01:11 PM
Picked up FOC Blast-Off from Amazon for $12, it's not bad, the paint looks better than the SDCC version by leaps and bounds. I haven't integrated it to the gang yet though.

Ordered FE Voyager Bulkhead and OP at bogo 40%, then TRU goes and cancels it saying they sold out. WHY DID YOU LET ME ORDER IT THEN!?!? Yeesh. TRU not having a good week with me, I received a $5 Rewards cert that had expired 2 days prior, I call them and they're like "you could have printed it" even though I didn't know that and they haven't been emailing me my totals, said they couldn't do anything for me. Forget them.


Saw Soundwave/Laserbeak, Ravage/Rumble, and Frenzy/Ratbat today. There were quite a few of each. Honestly, for what they're charging, these are crap, plain and simple. Soundwave's the only passable one, but even the BOGO sale at TRU couldn't compel me to buy him since I have the earlier one, and an update would need to be a true improvement and not just a bigger figure with a lousy gimmick.

Did I miss something, and FOC is actually geared toward kiddies who like auto-transform gimmicks? These seemed like they should be full-on "grownup" figures.I agree, same thing happened to me, these sets just aren't looking good enough to warrant the line or the insane price or the huge sacrifices in design for a "drop on the ground to make a thing happen" gimmick. I think Hasbro is afraid they're losing transforming robot market share to Bakugan and is trying these and Bot Shots to catch that tiger by its tail. But the price on the tapes is just a huge NO for me, even with that sale.


I talked myself out of getting FOC Voyager Soundwave and GDO Megatron or Power Dive, TRU's BOGO 40% sale notwithstanding.

Just like Chux, I'm content with WFC Soundwave and I'd rather use that money on something else like the new Lego Tumbler + BAT set.Same here on both ends, I passed up Soundwave since I already have WFC version that's to scale. I considered Soundblaster but it's really not an inspiring set.


I found most of the Combaticons at Wal-Mart: 2 Swindle, 1 Vortex, and 1 BlastOff, and 1 Onslaught (he's not the center commander any more, but Brawl is?!?) Guess his movie star promotion helped and Michael Bay got him a promotion for playing "Devastator."

Anyway, I did not purchase these, and I wasn't too impressed with them either. Except...wait for it...Blast Off looks pretty cool. I might have to purchase him singularly. It's a better-than-decent sculpt and alt mode as well.

Scale-wise, I think he'd make a great Astrotrain stand-in next to Cyberverse Legions and Commanders.Brawl is officially a leg, Onslaught is the core commander still.

We already have an actual Classics Astrotrain in this same scale.

El Chuxter
12-24-2012, 02:09 PM
Ordered FE Voyager Bulkhead and OP at bogo 40%, then TRU goes and cancels it saying they sold out. WHY DID YOU LET ME ORDER IT THEN!?!? Yeesh. TRU not having a good week with me, I received a $5 Rewards cert that had expired 2 days prior, I call them and they're like "you could have printed it" even though I didn't know that and they haven't been emailing me my totals, said they couldn't do anything for me. Forget them.
You should look at their FB page. I've never seen so many complaints about poor service, particularly ones that go unacknowledged. They COULD have presented themselves as an upscale, collector-friendly alternative to Target and Walmart, but that ship sailed long ago. I'm surprised they're still around, and can't imagine they'll last too much longer. (Of course, K-Mart/Sears will still outlast them, probably, since it's the zombie store that refuses to die.)

figrin bran
12-25-2012, 05:21 PM
I finally opened up GDO Cliffjumper and Springer. The packaging bubble totally obscured it and I ordered anyhow so I would not have caught it but his roof has a paint chip along with scratches making it nowhere near the quality of my SDCC Terrorcon CJ. QC flaws aside, it's still not as good as I was hoping for it to be.

GDO Springer's quality was much better. I have Tomahawk and didn't like it that much but somehow the Springer repaint seems like such a great improvement.

GDO Wheelie will be the next one I open.

In the meantime, I've started to add silver to a lot of FE Optimus' brown torso parts to get him to look more show accurate. The unpainted truck panels don't bother me so much as the unpainted ab area so I felt compelled to do something about it.

JetsAndHeels
12-26-2012, 04:05 PM
Hey, good to hear from you. Man, everybody's getting that Thundertron except me, i saw him a few days ago at Target but the deco didn't warrant my very sparse cash.

Except for Jetwing Prime, that is my want list as well. Jetwing Prime at $60 is pretty darn good, the big cannons and the buster gun, I may have to put that on my xmas list as well.

I hope you and everyone else here had a good Christmas. Mine is still ongoing, with going to different family gatherings and such. I can tell you that my wife took the hint on that Jetwing Prime. I haven't had the chance to open it yet, but tonight it will happen.

I also found the FE Voyagers at TRU, so now the main thing on my want list is FOC Starscream.

JediTricks
12-26-2012, 05:09 PM
You should look at their FB page. I've never seen so many complaints about poor service, particularly ones that go unacknowledged. They COULD have presented themselves as an upscale, collector-friendly alternative to Target and Walmart, but that ship sailed long ago. I'm surprised they're still around, and can't imagine they'll last too much longer. (Of course, K-Mart/Sears will still outlast them, probably, since it's the zombie store that refuses to die.)Today I got my first email in a long time from them about my rewards points. They're the xmas special rewards points, I got $15 of them, would have gotten $20 back had they not screwed me over on that order. My point here is that their REWARDS POINTS IN EMAIL EXPIRE IN 2 ****ING WEEKS!!!! Who the hell puts such a short turnaround on rewards points? They really are shooting themselves in the foot with such an awful online presence, I'm not surprised to hear their Facebook page is full of vitriol. I keep wanting to give them the benefit of the doubt and they keep pulling stunts like these.



I finally opened up GDO Cliffjumper and Springer. The packaging bubble totally obscured it and I ordered anyhow so I would not have caught it but his roof has a paint chip along with scratches making it nowhere near the quality of my SDCC Terrorcon CJ. QC flaws aside, it's still not as good as I was hoping for it to be. That's too bad about the paint mess on the top, have you considered asking for an exchange at TRU with one that's ok? What were you hoping it to be? I also found the mold disappointing, but I felt that way at SDCC CJ as well.


GDO Springer's quality was much better. I have Tomahawk and didn't like it that much but somehow the Springer repaint seems like such a great improvement. Drat, I talked myself out of buying that but could tell I'd probably feel similarly as Tomahawk has something a little off for me as well.


In the meantime, I've started to add silver to a lot of FE Optimus' brown torso parts to get him to look more show accurate. The unpainted truck panels don't bother me so much as the unpainted ab area so I felt compelled to do something about it.Share some photos?


I hope you and everyone else here had a good Christmas. Mine is still ongoing, with going to different family gatherings and such. I can tell you that my wife took the hint on that Jetwing Prime. I haven't had the chance to open it yet, but tonight it will happen.

I also found the FE Voyagers at TRU, so now the main thing on my want list is FOC Starscream.That's great, glad to hear you're having a lot of family time at this holiday. Yesterday I drove out to my cousin's place on the moon (Hesperia, but it feels like it could be the moon) and gathered with most of my family.

My mom got me Jetwing Prime at $60 on my hinting, the next day it went down to $52 but now it's back up to full price so at least it came in at a decent price. I haven't opened it yet, still recovering from the holiday insanity but it looks cool.

JediTricks
12-27-2012, 03:26 PM
Opened up Jetwing Prime last night.

Cannons look good, although the orange tip design doesn't really help a collector-focused item like this - they should have used the same metallic orange and blue from the body of the gun to make it look like blued-steel instead of hot steel via orange plastic. The G1 trailer stripes on the wings look great. At first I didn't really get the colors on the gun body, but once attached to Prime's forearms it's a lot clearer - they're continuing with the existing forearm colors, which looks really good, except for the lighter blue which is just there to be a lighter color I guess. The barrels can be turned, but can't spin freely. The venting on the cannon tips is directional due to the manufacturing process, for OCD types this gets under one's skin. Surprisingly, the figure can easily hold the cannons without being attached to the backpack or even to the forerams via the clips.

The base figure looks alright, paint is very similar to the ROTF original down to the unpainted red lower window sills; the new forearms look alright, the kibble is restrictive but not as badly as the battle blades of the original. The abs of the chest are still pretty silly - robots don't do crunches - but the design work looks good enough to get a pass, and there's a tiny Autobot symbol painted in the upper portion. Still the same blinking green LED for the eyes, same dialogue too. The heelspurs get an extension that snaps on, gives the feet more of a beefy look, but it's a good thing the set is well-balanced because those heelspur extensions aren't quite tight enough to actually work as intended.

The buster gun is one of the things I was most looking forward to, and it's not quite as good as I hoped. It's formed by transforming and combining the 2 fuel tanks, the first one just slides a barrel out, the second one folds every single element around and around again to reveal a grip and some tech sculpting, then plugs sloppily onto the back of the first tank. Also, I am not sure the left hand can hold it due to the kibble. It's not bad, and it does give those grippy hands something to do FINALLY, but I was expecting it to be a little better.

The jetpack looks really good, they painted the turbine fronts red, there's a lot of sculpted detail, the silver of the wings and housings looks great - not sure why the whole figure doesn't enjoy that - and it holds onto the figure quite well. Because of the layout of the engines, the fuel tanks have to be removed which makes it impossible to put on ROTF Leader Prime, and there's a few modifications to the new figure that lock it in as well, but it's not terribly complicated. The wings ratchet from an upward attack angle down to the ground, while the housings they spawn from hinge forward/backward with 2 stops and then freely past those, the default pose being somewhat similar to the DOTM Cyberverse Optimus backpack. The main nozzles on the jet engines are limited-range ball hinges. The outer two rear engines have a panel which hinges open to securely store the fuel tanks, and those interior spaces have their own nice sculpting. The front engines have rubbery armatures which attach to the gatling cannons. The wings and cannons and even Prime have 5mm peg holes, the wings and cannons also sport 3mm system clips, and yet the figure doesn't look the worse for it.

Transformation is the same as before for the robot to truck but at least the battle blades aren't in the way to make the already-confusing transformation even worse. There really isn't transformation for the jetpack, the wings can be repositioned, the heelspur parts clip onto the back, and the gatling cannons fold back on their armatures to snap to the top of the jet engines, then the whole thing clips over the 5th-wheel and corresponding tabs and slots; unlike the Cyberverse jetpack, this one cannot position the wings upright at all, only down which makes them go past the bottom of the truck - thus, the only usable position is splayed all out, it's quite a sight with giant cannons and wings around this truck.

It wouldn't be Hasbro if the instructions weren't wrong about something: this one is wrong about where the folded-up rear fenders go when the backpack is attached, the instructions say to leave them hanging down but there's actually pegs on the backpack for them to attach to.

As a whole set, Jetwing Prime is very impressive and pretty cool-looking, the heavy arms and flight look take Prime to a new level. I don't know about $100-impressive though, it's a $50 figure wearing a nice big jetpack and huge cannons, but is that really worth another $50? Maybe if you didn't get this mold in its previous release, but the $60 was a much easier price to swallow (or rather, it didn't take as much out of my mom's gift budget ;)). Aside from a lack of the battle blades, this set renders the ROTF figure redundant.

El Chuxter
12-27-2012, 03:37 PM
I got an email from them as well. I have a total of $20 in rewards points. Ten are good for the next two weeks, ten for two weeks after that. Plus some coupons for junk that's in no way related to anything I've ever purchased. Would it be asking too much to let me combine the rewards points, or to send coupons for something that I might possibly be interested in? I might actually spend more there, wonder of wonders! Oh, and, like every other promotion they run, the rewards certificates can't be used on video games. :frus:

Then again, the tracking part of their rewards program is so useless it boggles the mind. When the Palm Desert TRU closed, where I spent probably 1/3-1/2 of my TRU spending, they didn't email me that that location was closing and relocating to Indio, but they made sure near the same time to tell me a new store would be opening "near me"... in Victorville. So y'all in LA, don't be surprised if they email you to tell you about a new store in Bakersfield! :D

Biggest kicker was being able to order stuff online from the store with free to-home shipping that's not on their regular website or that would be subject to major shipping charges. ADVERTISE THAT S***!!! THAT'S A BIG DEAL!!! If I can go in there and say, "You have every SW figure from this wave except Obi-Wan," and then they can order it for me, that's a pretty good edge over the competition.

Tycho
12-27-2012, 03:52 PM
Chux, we'll have to visit again. I go out to Palm Desert to see my Grandpa and will be doing so again in only about a week or so for his 95th birthday.

I go by Banning and Beaumont. I usually do not stop for toys as there is little I want to buy.

I am considering Springer however.

JediTricks
12-27-2012, 03:53 PM
Ugh, they can bite me. I didn't notice the 3rd rewards coupon was only good for the 12th through the 27th, what the hell is wrong with them?!? If they're trying to get customers into their stores more often, why pull this crap? Why not do a better job with promotions, a more satisfying job enticing the customers by offering more sales and rewards that last a reasonable time? And like you said, why offer us collectors all these baby-related and bike-related coupons when your sales tracking rewards program should be telling you what I would and wouldn't be likely to use? Why not do a better job stocking products in a timely manner? Why not do a better job focusing on collector items during the off-times when mainstream markets aren't buying? Because they suck. They have a slow-to-respond executive staff that simply isn't paying enough attention to the actual problems with the company and its inability to connect properly with the consumer.

Victorville is 100 miles from Palm Desert. Just because they're both part of the Inland Empire doesn't mean they're in the same neighborhood. GEEZ!

El Chuxter
12-27-2012, 04:21 PM
Another thing about the store: As you're probably aware (though I doubt anyone outside SoCal would be), the Coachella Valley is a mostly east-west horizontal line of smaller cities, stretching over 30 miles from Palm Springs to Indio. About 20 miles to the west is Beaumont/Banning/Cabazon, and the same distance to the east would be the (mostly scary and deserted) towns around the Salton Sea. Their one store was located pretty close to dead center, in Palm Desert. They closed it to move to the far eastern end of Indio. That added about 30 minutes to my drive there. A lot of folks from the western end of the Coachella Valley were ****ed. (Me, I can just go to Redlands or Riverside instead. With TRU, two Circuit Cities, Borders, and my daughter's favorite restaurant closing, it pretty much made the gas prices outweigh the general appeal of the CV for me.) They essentially killed off their business from half the area to move into what's mostly seen as the "ghetto" end of town that many people simply won't go to.

Oh, and the new store is about half the size of the old one and has the slowest service I've encountered. I went once, and stood in line for twenty minutes. Four lanes open, none moved in that time. I just left. Screw 'em.

El Chuxter
12-28-2012, 12:47 AM
Found Hot Spot (finally!) at the Moreno Valley TRU. They had one. My $10 in rewards certificates made him $14 even after tax.

I left thinking, "Sweet, unless that Megatron or the FOC cassettes see pretty drastic clearance markdowns, I'm done with TF for a while."

Then I saw Brawn listed as "Also Available" on the side of his package.

Dammit.

JediTricks
12-28-2012, 05:58 PM
Coachella Valley is almost perfectly Southeast to Northwest, as are Beaumont and the Salton Sea area in line with that. Pretty sure that area was originally named "the middle of f***ing nowhere" until the 20th century. The map says that Palm Desert and Indio are only about 13 miles edge to edge, but in the middle of nowhere there aren't any useful high-speed routes I suppose. Your drive is INSANE for... EVERYTHING it appears, the idea that Riverside and Redlands are closer is nutso. I can't only guess rent is why TRU couldn't make a go of that Palm Desert store, since the new one is in a more ghetto area. And none of that is remotely near Victorville! "Inland Empire" is such a load of a location, might as well just call it "Southern California 2: more beach, less ocean!"

GDO Brawn is merely TF:Prime Bulkhead with Brawn's head, it doesn't really make much sense and it's certainly not on shelves yet, don't bother looking until you hear credible news otherwise, I suspect we won't ever see that one make it to shelves.

I returned Swerve finally and because it was 3 days past the 90 day limit, they could only give me the lowest sale price, $2 less than what I paid for it, on a gift card, but I was sick of having him around and nobody wanting to buy him off me so I took the ten bucks. Used that return credit plus 2 of my reward dollars to pick up a few Nerf N-strike things and a Hot Wheels Light Speeders Back to the Future Time Machine that turns out to be an error car with a wrong wheel on the front. Stupid variation crapola, I just wanted this piece normal. It was the ONLY Light Speeders car on the whole aisle too.

El Chuxter
12-28-2012, 06:08 PM
I hadn't looked at a map; I assumed west-east because it's all along the I-10. The Indio issue is that it's on the far side of Indio, and the other side of the freeway (most businesses are a few miles to the south side, this shopping center is north), requiring most of the drive to be on surface streets complete with stoplights and such, and there's nothing in Indio otherwise. At least the Palm Springs-Cathedral City-Rancho Mirage-Palm Desert-Indian Wells corridor is solid businesses (though, like I said, several of the good ones closing has hurt the area as far as toy runs go, so I've not been out there at all in 6-12 months... will probably in the next few days, though, since the after-Christmas clearances are awesome there for some reason).

Beaumont WAS the fastest growing city in the country prior to the housing crash. We were supposed to get an awful lot of businesses, including at least one full-sized shopping mall and a Target or two. Yeah, that didn't happen. (One mediocre Walmart, a horrible K-Mart that frickin' closes at 7, a small Best Buy, a small Kohls, Ross, and some drug and grocery stores are about it.) Those plans went down the drain with housing costs. A good chunk of my neighborhood is folks who've been or are being foreclosed on, and there are a lot of rental properties. I suspect it'll be like Moreno Valley and take two decades to recover, and never fully. If we didn't owe considerably more than the house was worth, I'd be quick to move somewhere more populated.

Darth Metalmute
12-28-2012, 06:10 PM
I found Springer today. I fought hard on him, but eventually passed. I've always wanted a Springer, but there is something "unnatural" about him not being a triple changer.

I, too, received 4 TRU coupons that valid dates are in different time periods. It really stinks that you spend the money, overpaying in most cases, just to get the rewards, them can't use them together. Also, I received three 5 dollar coupons and one 4 dollar coupon. What gives there?

figrin bran
12-28-2012, 06:24 PM
JT, I'll post a photo or two of my FE Prime repaint when I'm done. And I can't return GDO Cliffjumper because he was an online purchase and I've never even seen a single GDO deluxe at my local stores. Also since it was online, I think they'd only give me store credit.

TRU reward point coupons have always had a narrow window in which to use them so although it may not be "fair", it's nothing new at all.

Opened up GDO Wheelie and FOC Starscream. Wheelie is great and is a better representation of the mold than RTS Jazz. The vivid colors and paint apps really did wonders. FOC SS is above average but maybe not as great as others make it out to be - the small size of the aircraft is a bit underwhelming.

I found some of the latest wave of Kreo micro changers at Target (I think I'm the only one that likes these?) and the box is not randomly packed at all - it was all Hook, Dirge, Airachnid, Slingshot and none of the others. if not for code decipherers I would have wasted money.

JediTricks
12-28-2012, 06:41 PM
I hadn't looked at a map; I assumed west-east because it's all along the I-10. The Indio issue is that it's on the far side of Indio, and the other side of the freeway (most businesses are a few miles to the south side, this shopping center is north), requiring most of the drive to be on surface streets complete with stoplights and such, and there's nothing in Indio otherwise. At least the Palm Springs-Cathedral City-Rancho Mirage-Palm Desert-Indian Wells corridor is solid businesses (though, like I said, several of the good ones closing has hurt the area as far as toy runs go, so I've not been out there at all in 6-12 months... will probably in the next few days, though, since the after-Christmas clearances are awesome there for some reason).

Beaumont WAS the fastest growing city in the country prior to the housing crash. We were supposed to get an awful lot of businesses, including at least one full-sized shopping mall and a Target or two. Yeah, that didn't happen. (One mediocre Walmart, a horrible K-Mart that frickin' closes at 7, a small Best Buy, a small Kohls, Ross, and some drug and grocery stores are about it.) Those plans went down the drain with housing costs. A good chunk of my neighborhood is folks who've been or are being foreclosed on, and there are a lot of rental properties. I suspect it'll be like Moreno Valley and take two decades to recover, and never fully. If we didn't owe considerably more than the house was worth, I'd be quick to move somewhere more populated.Beaumont sounds a lot like the promises made to where my cousin lives in Hesperia. IMO, these cities trying to make boomtowns out of service-only industries are a mistake, you need real industry to drive growth, not just long commutes to areas that have them.

Sorry to hear you're underwater on your place, that's rough to get stuck there. Hopefully they get high speed rail or something out there to make it pay off, they're talking about the Vegas to LA train ending in Victorville instead of LA so that's the current hope for that area, yours needs something like that too, maybe a resort east of Yucaipa where your area would be the only real service.



I found Springer today. I fought hard on him, but eventually passed. I've always wanted a Springer, but there is something "unnatural" about him not being a triple changer.

I, too, received 4 TRU coupons that valid dates are in different time periods. It really stinks that you spend the money, overpaying in most cases, just to get the rewards, them can't use them together. Also, I received three 5 dollar coupons and one 4 dollar coupon. What gives there?I hear ya on Springer.

The current coupons are part of their 10% rewards for Christmas, so you probably spent $190 for that month but not $200, hence the last coupon would be $4 instead of $5.


JT, I'll post a photo or two of my FE Prime repaint when I'm done. And I can't return GDO Cliffjumper because he was an online purchase and I've never even seen a single GDO deluxe at my local stores. Also since it was online, I think they'd only give me store credit. You are correct about online returns to store being store credit.


TRU reward point coupons have always had a narrow window in which to use them so although it may not be "fair", it's nothing new at all. Yeah, I guess I forgot since they STOPPED EMAILING ME MY REWARDS FOR OVER A YEAR.


Opened up GDO Wheelie and FOC Starscream. Wheelie is great and is a better representation of the mold than RTS Jazz. The vivid colors and paint apps really did wonders. FOC SS is above average but maybe not as great as others make it out to be - the small size of the aircraft is a bit underwhelming. FOC Starscream was via online, right? I haven't heard any in-store sightings on him, would like to get him but your review sounds like how it looks in pics so I don't want to burn a lot of gas or pay too much for it.


I'm thinking of selling some of my SDCC exclusives, TFP Zombie Cliffjumper and the GI Joe Shockwave vehicle, but am not sure what to do since they're both open.

figrin bran
12-28-2012, 07:26 PM
JT, I'd be interested in Shockwave Hiss if I weren't so strapped for cash right now.
Is there a way to change your rewards to snail mail delivery? That's how mine usually come.

Yes, FOC Screamer was from HTS and I wouldn't waste gas tracking him down. It's a bit of an exaggeration to say he replaces Classics SS. If anything, the cannons w. rotating barrels are the highlight here.

El Chuxter
12-28-2012, 07:39 PM
...yours needs something like that too, maybe a resort east of Yucaipa where your area would be the only real service.
Curiously, there is a resort just north of Beaumont that's an historical attraction as well, but it's not a big draw. Their service sucks; my wife wanted to go to the 5-star restaurant there and asked about the ingredients since I have food allergies, was told that her email would be forwarded to the chef, and never heard back despite following up a few times.


I'm thinking of selling some of my SDCC exclusives, TFP Zombie Cliffjumper and the GI Joe Shockwave vehicle, but am not sure what to do since they're both open.
I know I owe you for a Nom Anor already, but I might be interested in Shockwave. I was kinda strapped for cash when SDCC rolled around, but, the more I look at it, the more I like the appearance of it. (Not to mention that it looks like there's jacksquat G.I. Joe coming anytime soon, and TF is dropping in quality really, really quickly so I might cut those out, so it's not like I have tons of other stuff to spend it on. My collecting energies and money have been going toward Thomas the Tank Engine, because both kids love it, there's a lot of the same vibe with exclusives and variants and pack-ins (but without the insanity of Hot Wheels), and, well, it's not like I have much of anything to get in any of the lines I buy to look for).

BTW, forgot to respond about Brawn. I figured he was a Bulkhead from the look of him. It doesn't bother me as much, maybe because I don't have or have much interest in a Bulkhead. Good to hear, though, that I don't have to hit up TRU to find him, at least not yet.

figrin bran
12-29-2012, 11:02 PM
I found FOC wave 3 as well as Beast Hunters wave 1 at my local TRU today. I figure there won't be much else that I'd want from there in the next few weeks so I used 3 of my rewards coupons on Kickback and Lazerback. That brought them down to around $11 for each. Good thing I found those because I might have been tempted to use the coupons on FOC Soundwave.

Meanwhile that case of Kreo micro changers I saw at Target got picked clean within 2 days. Unless several people picked it over, someone's going to end up with around 10 Dirges and Airachnids.

JediTricks
12-31-2012, 03:49 PM
JT, I'd be interested in Shockwave Hiss if I weren't so strapped for cash right now.
Is there a way to change your rewards to snail mail delivery? That's how mine usually come.

Yes, FOC Screamer was from HTS and I wouldn't waste gas tracking him down. It's a bit of an exaggeration to say he replaces Classics SS. If anything, the cannons w. rotating barrels are the highlight here.Mine usually come snail mail as well, and late at that, so they can't get mail to me and they can't get e-mail to me. They suck at life. :p

Thanks for the 411 on FOC Screamer as well as the advice. Classics SS is not a great figure, so if it can't replace that then I definitely will just buy when I see.


Curiously, there is a resort just north of Beaumont that's an historical attraction as well, but it's not a big draw. Their service sucks; my wife wanted to go to the 5-star restaurant there and asked about the ingredients since I have food allergies, was told that her email would be forwarded to the chef, and never heard back despite following up a few times.That's weird, maybe they need to get their promotional stuff together better.


I know I owe you for a Nom Anor already, but I might be interested in Shockwave. I was kinda strapped for cash when SDCC rolled around, but, the more I look at it, the more I like the appearance of it. (Not to mention that it looks like there's jacksquat G.I. Joe coming anytime soon, and TF is dropping in quality really, really quickly so I might cut those out, so it's not like I have tons of other stuff to spend it on. My collecting energies and money have been going toward Thomas the Tank Engine, because both kids love it, there's a lot of the same vibe with exclusives and variants and pack-ins (but without the insanity of Hot Wheels), and, well, it's not like I have much of anything to get in any of the lines I buy to look for).Ok, well Bran has first dibs since he mentioned it prior, then you. It is a very nice-looking set, I just don't have any place for it to go. I have the box and all the packing materials too, but it's currently on the loose. Thomas, huh? I wonder if there's an aftermarket for that stuff, seems like kids all love it for a few years and then outgrow it with a sharp cut, should make for a lot of stuff to get from days gone by, and it's not like that line changes significantly. Surprised to hear it does pack-ins and variants.


BTW, forgot to respond about Brawn. I figured he was a Bulkhead from the look of him. It doesn't bother me as much, maybe because I don't have or have much interest in a Bulkhead. Good to hear, though, that I don't have to hit up TRU to find him, at least not yet.I was hoping to have found FE Bulkhead by now, the mold it's based on, but with that having passed me by I may be hunting for Brawn as a replacement and will let you know if I find that.

figrin bran
12-31-2012, 05:22 PM
JT, it's okay, Chux can have a crack at HISS Shockwave.

And the more I transform FOC SS, the less I like him. From his profile, you can see how hollow the body is and there's no attempt to conceal it or any partial coverings that might take the focus away from it.

I haven't opened up FOC Kickback but will do so later on.

Beast Hunters Lazerback, I kind of like. The vivid colors seem to make him more suited for Animated or even BW than TF Prime. The transformation is rather standard for a beast former - pull the hind legs down, push front legs together to form the torso, flip front claws for robot hands and flip the dragon head back to reveal bot head. One weapon forms the tail while the other goes onto the dragon back and it's done mostly seamlessly which is such a refreshing break from mech tech style weapons. In alt mode, the chest area is hollow and there's a small triangular hole where his spark chamber would probably be but that's much more forgiveable than the hollowness of many other recent molds. Overall I'd put Lazerback in the B/B - range.

El Chuxter
12-31-2012, 06:15 PM
Nah, figgy, you called it first, you've got dibs. I somehow missed that in your post.

I must admit, if I don't find anything great when my second batch of R' Us rewards coupons are good, I might break down and buy the "cassettes." $12 for the lot of them isn't as bad as $22.

JediTricks
12-31-2012, 06:41 PM
Having seen the cassettes in Ben Yee's reviews, they don't look worth 12 cents.

Sorry to have led to confusion, I should have discussed it with you guys in private message.

Sucks about FOC SS being so meh, but it's not surprising either. I look forward to hearing how Kickback is, it looks really interesting and really potentially horrible. :p

Lazerback huh? I'd given no credence to that figure based on Hasbro photography, I guess I'll have to give it a closer look now.

El Chuxter
12-31-2012, 08:27 PM
Laserback sounds like a knockoff. :D

"Groundrave, stop them!"
"Laserback, inject. Operative mission: instruction!"

Adam
12-31-2012, 10:00 PM
What are you guys referring to as being overpriced, Voyager Soundwave or the legends two packs?

Quick round up of things I've gotten over the last month and a half that I kept forgetting about:

Arms Micron Smokescreen - I read a lot of people say this guy's head sculpt was good and I'm not sure I agree. It's not terrible but I wouldn't describe it as accurate. His joints are tighter than my Knock Out which I appreciate; Knock Out wasn't exactly floppy but always seemed a bit loose in the joints. He is a pearly white as opposed to a Wheeljack white. It looks fine, but I decided I wanted him brighter so I started air brushing him and hope to finish that soon. His micron neat a crossbow thing and would be unremarkable if it did not plug onto his back and simulate his door wings like on the show. Some people even assemble the faux door wings backwards on the micron so the red sticker is facing the front to take illusion that much farther. It's actually kinda neat and brings the figure from being totally passable to worth it if you really like the character and want that representation on the shelf.

AM Nemesis Prime - I returned the PRiD Optimus I bought not too long after I got it because his left shoulder kept popping out of the socket; Nemy doesn't have that problem so I already like it that much more hah. The FE voyager looks better in robot mode, but I always appreciated how this version doesn't cheat with the chest windows. It's different enough and the subdued color scheme looks pretty good. He comes with extra teal stickers for those who prefer that look for their black Optimus Prime which is a nice touch. Some M.E.C.H. stickers are also included, and while they are kinda uninspired I still think its kinda cool that they included them and I will I probably end up using them. His micron is pretty great and I was tempted to grab a second Nemy to pilfer a second micron like I did with Ironhide. ( I ended up not doing it though.) It's a pretty good representation of the blade from the show. It looks almost purple when being held by Nemesis Prime although its more of a gray color I think. A lot cooler than the sword the PRiD Optimus Prime came with.

AM Silas Breakdown - This figure is what I imagine Silas would have become if that plot had not been seemingly cut short. The headsculpt is really cool and looks worn with cracks and the artificial eye. It's a shame the rest of the figure doesn't match the worn look. The sticker sheet does come with some crack/scratched stickers but they are chrome and probably won't look too good. The micron is not as cool as the original's rhino hammer unfortunately. It's mostly the same as Breakdown, and since I think that was a good figure this one is pretty great too.

Masterpiece Red Alert - Mostly the same comments I had for Sideswipe. SS's piledrivers are swapped for an electrical effect part for his head. It's really dorky and I kind of love it for that.

Fans Project Warbot Assaulter - This figure, who is totally not G1 Broadside, is surprisingly heavy when you first pick it up especially when compared to recent Hasbro offerings of a similar size. He's a pretty large figure and most of the added heft comes from the well placed diecast he has. Robot mode is fantastic looking. Articulation is pretty good, although some of his ratchet joints are SCARY tight. It's recommended that one loosen up the two screws behind his hips to help. I did this and the joints are still super tight. I opened up one of the thighs to see how bad the wear on the gear is and was slightly surprised that there was none. The spring used for the ratchets are just VERY strong, which I learned when it popped out and flew at my head and across the room. Luckily I found it and was able to coax it back in there. I don't think there is much risk of the gears stripping, but man those are tight. Anyway, the alternate robot mode is kinda meh for me, but its nice that people have options. I don't really care for the alternate face so I pretty much keep it in the standard robot mode. The weapons are pretty neat, working as serviceable rifles and covert to oddly-held axes. Jet mode is REALLY cool, much better than I would have thought. It's clearly not realistic, but for some reason really works for me. The "carrier' mode is not as successful but also not a failure. It has a more sci fi twist to it, in a Macross SDF-1 kinda way. I've seen some fan modes for a more air craft carrier like configuration but haven't tried it myself. This is a fantastic figure and I can completely recommend it.

Fans Project Defender - I got this alongside Assaulter. This was FP's first full figure and it shows. It's actually pretty neat, but has a crippling flaw; the lack of heels essentially makes it nigh impossible to maintain most poses. There is a Shapeway's produced set of heels that comes highly recommended that apparently fixes this issue. I haven't ordered them yet but hope to pretty soon. The stars of this set are the two alt modes. The "car" mode is pretty cool and the mode I have him in while I wait to get the heel addons. I like the way the helicopter mode looks, although the clip that hold the blades together was broken in the package so i can't actually mount them. It's a bummer but I think I can glue the pieces back together. I feel like when I fix the heels it will be a pretty cool Springer, although its not up to the quality that Fans Project has put out since then.

I also picked up the second wave of Gashapon microns. They're just OK except for the Bulkhead one who is awesome. He is a Hulk Hand for Transformers. It's ridiculous in a way that I really like. I have no idea if I'm going to actually pair it with anything like I did the first wave of these, but I'm still glad I got it.

EDIT: Forgot over the course of this to mention that I also got FoC Soundblaster and the Ratbat/Frenzy two pack to go with him. I was never totally happy with the deluxe WfC Sounwave as I always felt his proportions were slightly off. Soundblaster does not have that issue and I feel it is an all around better figure. The discs, being Legends, are not anything special. I do however like the gimmick because it works (Most of the time). It does suck that the mechanism to push the disks out sticks out so far when you have all three stored in Soundblaster's chest though. There's no way to mount the birds on Sound's arm since there are no hardpoints. That is a bummer but they balance pretty well on his arm regardless. It's not a perfect figure, but is a fun toy with a fun gimmick that usually works for me. Too bad he doesn't come with a gun aside from his shoulder cannon.

figrin bran
12-31-2012, 10:38 PM
Having seen the cassettes in Ben Yee's reviews, they don't look worth 12 cents.

Sorry to have led to confusion, I should have discussed it with you guys in private message.

Sucks about FOC SS being so meh, but it's not surprising either. I look forward to hearing how Kickback is, it looks really interesting and really potentially horrible. :p

Lazerback huh? I'd given no credence to that figure based on Hasbro photography, I guess I'll have to give it a closer look now.

I see what you mean about Kickback. I'll need to play around some more with him but he does feature some interesting design ideas. I'm not sure I transformed him into an insect correctly. I do think I like him better than FOC SS and he does fit in very well with TFP bots.

Tycho
12-31-2012, 10:49 PM
Cool grabs, Adam!

I bought a red Ford GT (old Alternator Mirage mold, but reduced in size to a smaller-than-deluxe Autobot car from the DOTM line's sizes).

I wanted a Ferrari, but it's a Dino (Mirage) stand-in for my Chicago diorama I want to build one day. Since ideally, VOYAGER Ratchet should go along side Deluxe Autobot cars, but they made Ratchet in a Deluxe size, thus paired with an Optimus and Megatron in the Voyager class, I needed something like a Scout Class size for Autobot cars.

Since I don't need "Dino" transformed in this scene I have planned - other Autobots will be in their 'bot modes, probably when Optimus is fighting Voyager Shockwave, Dino can be in vehicle mode.

I don't think Hasbro paid Ferrari for the license and doubt they'll make new DOTM toys even for a supplimentary line, like they do with Classics.

So I might as well do this.

ALSO, I don't know if Dino will even appear as a character in TF4.

I know little about the plot for the next movie, and it might center on all-new characters entirely. I don't know if Bay will go so far as to do a movie with little or no Optimus Prime in it (but he'll be alive -somewhere else if he's not featured as a main character - which would probably be a serious mistake unless someone like Ultra Magnus could carry a movie for the leader-type figure.

In any case, I just don't see Dino being important in either way - though it's possible.

HOUND ought to debut and figure in importantly somehow in the Bay-verse for the Autobots.

I could see SideSwipe carrying over on his own mission, away from Optimus, with new Autobots, perhaps Sunstreaker.

The Twins (Mudflap and Skids) never died on screen. Bay might also use them for a connection to the first trilogy.

Que (Wheeljack??) should never have been killed. He's the type of Autobot character who could carry a movie with less presence by Optimus Prime. Perhaps Wheeljack could enter the picture and it be said that Que was his mentor and he joined the fight on earth to stand for justice for the fallen Que, so brutally executed (I think by Soundwave, IIRC).

Yeah, Dino might fit in to this, especially if he has Mirage's cloaking ability. But the car by KiNSMART (small "i") was like $6. CVS Pharmacy sells these. They also sell the Mercedes that Soundwave transforms into but for the Human Alliance scale, I bought the real deal from Japan. Maybe I'll find a KiNSMART or something in the deluxe scale. But Deluxe Soundwave (DOTM) is not too expensive in the orient. It's Leadfoot that I've become aware of him costing a fortune.

BTW, if G1.5's Hot Rod, Kup, and Blurr, plus Springer and Magnus carry TF4 (with SideSwipe, the Twins, Dino, and Wheeljack, plus Hound) it could make a great movie. We don't need to go Rodimus Prime.

Galvatron could exist but be unrelated to Megatron since Prime really destroyed everything of Megatron.

Cyclonus and Scourge would be awesome and seeing the Stunticons might be a great idea for the Decepticons.

JediTricks
01-02-2013, 05:01 PM
Finally put retail FOC Blast Off onto SDCC Bruticus. The figure's mention of being a "stealth plane" made the black / purple coloring feel more justified (the mention of it being a "rocket stealth plane" however was really dumb :p). It looks way better this way, a better mix of colors instead of 3 tan limbs, but the bright yellow vent/canopy type designs do stand out in a bad way. That said, the deco is otherwise all around better, silver is darker, the face gets a painted mouthplate, and of course it's more G1-accurate.


What are you guys referring to as being overpriced, Voyager Soundwave or the legends two packs?The latter, most definitely. I haven't seen Voy Soundwave/Soundblaster in person, but pics make it look really quite large compared to Voyagers lately.

Nice gets, the only one I can hope to think about right now is...


Forgot over the course of this to mention that I also got FoC Soundblaster and the Ratbat/Frenzy two pack to go with him. I was never totally happy with the deluxe WfC Sounwave as I always felt his proportions were slightly off. Soundblaster does not have that issue and I feel it is an all around better figure. The discs, being Legends, are not anything special. I do however like the gimmick because it works (Most of the time). It does suck that the mechanism to push the disks out sticks out so far when you have all three stored in Soundblaster's chest though. There's no way to mount the birds on Sound's arm since there are no hardpoints. That is a bummer but they balance pretty well on his arm regardless. It's not a perfect figure, but is a fun toy with a fun gimmick that usually works for me. Too bad he doesn't come with a gun aside from his shoulder cannon.Soundblaster was the one I had been considering, but those issues you mentioned are largely what has held me back so far. Had the disc/cassette guys been better, I probably would have bought, but a lack of accuracy and their overall unattractive aesthetics killed them for me. Soundblaster's on my "if I see it while I have money, then maybe" list but his scale makes him a tough sell for my other WFC/FOC figures.

Darth Metalmute
01-02-2013, 06:06 PM
I tried looking back through this thread, but couldn't find an answer. Does anyone know why FOC Swindle has two hands in his legs?

JediTricks
01-02-2013, 07:14 PM
I tried looking back through this thread, but couldn't find an answer. Does anyone know why FOC Swindle has two hands in his legs?All the Bruticus limb figures are designed to be either arms or legs, and since the shape of a hand is very dependent on which side of the body it's on, the arm modes need to represent both a left and a right hand for Bruticus. While the other Combaticon limb figures have thumbs that swap sides, the Swindle design isn't as flexible so they just gave him both a left hand and a right hand for Bruticus.

Tycho
01-04-2013, 02:07 AM
Swindle makes left handed deals all the time anyway

Adam
01-04-2013, 10:39 PM
I went and picked up Beast Hunter's Wheeljack today since I had a five dollar rewards coupon thing, making him less than $12. I quite like the base Wheeljack figure so I thought I would give this a shot. It's... ok. The figure has these black swirls all over him in the plastic that I think looks border-line terrible. Like they were going for a marble effect but its application seems random and just doesn't look good. His spear thing doesn't look that great, and can't be held in a way that doesn't look awkward because of how the handles are positioned. I do like the new headsculpt, and I dig the way his new shoulders and wings change his silhouette. But the black swirls ruin it enough for me that I may take the airbrush to it at some point.

I also saw Bumblebee and I think the head sculpt on that is great too, except for the creepy eyes. Something about the the lightpiping and painted pupils comes off really creepy in a Cyberfire Bumblebee way.

JediTricks
01-06-2013, 10:15 PM
Ben Yee posted his review of Beast Hunters Bumblebee:
http://www.bwtf.com/toyreviews/prime/beasthunters/bumblebee/
I was stunned to see that THIS IS MOSTLY A NEW MOLD!!! Why use the same horribly flawed crapfest of the original RID mold only make it even worse?!? Yes, you kept a handful of inconsequential parts - thighs and forearms mostly - but you also kept the terrible neck that can't seat properly and the screwy torso transformation that comes apart easily and is hollow and just awful all around! Oh but you also made it worse by taking out all the clear bits and removing several paint apps, making it look like Armada Hot Shot mated with a burly owl to create a screwed-up offspring.

Darth Metalmute
01-07-2013, 08:50 PM
I found FOC Soundwave today. There were four available at Meijers with no other new figures. There was no price tag on the shelf so I took it to a scanner. To my surprise, it was $17.99, an easy buy. heres my quick review.

I really like the look of the robot mode. It has the look and feel of the game. No clunky parts or poorly constructed joints. the arms are double jointed for decent displaying. The only turn off is his chest looks bigger than it should be. But that's with a purpose, as it looks like it could fit three or four discs. (I don't know for sure, I haven't found those yet) The ejecting gimmick doesn't really work though. The ejection button only opens his chest up, not spit the disc out. You have to manually slide the lever in to the back of his chest to actually pop it out. And then it doesn't transform the disc unless it hits just right. Laserbeak isn't bad for what it is. It's not as realistic as you would like, it doesn't have legs to stand on, and there isn't a way (at least from what I can tell) to display him on soundwaves shoulder. Also, and this is a big kicker, the gun that is on the box and instructions doesn't come with the figure.

Vehicle Mode is the downfall to this transformer. It's not an interesting vehicle to begin with. The transformation is easy yet clunky. The really problem is the chest piece looks too small in vehicle mode, especially compared to the WFC Soundwave. In addition, the chest piece doesn't stay in place. there are two three sided slots for the piece to fit into, only its loose due to the fact you can eject the discs in vehicle mode.

Overall, I give Soundwave a B-. The robot mode is an A-, the vehicle is a C-. Like the others who have commented on Soundwave, it wasn't really needed as the WFC Soundwave was good enough. Considering no other video game transformers are this size, it seems the only reason for this figure is for the disc ejecting function.

JediTricks
01-07-2013, 09:29 PM
Nice find at Meijer, I wonder why we don't have them out here in SoCal.

Too bad about the vehicle mode and the lack of ejection. I believe the chest is designed to hold up to 3 disks, that's what I've read from several sources.

Adam
01-07-2013, 11:23 PM
You can put a bird on his shoulder by swinging the panel out and kinda wedging it in there. It doesn't lock in or anything, but is stable enough for display.

Darth Metalmute
01-08-2013, 06:08 PM
You can put a bird on his shoulder by swinging the panel out and kinda wedging it in there. It doesn't lock in or anything, but is stable enough for display.

I'll have to try that. I currently have laserbeak resting of Bruticus' shoulder.


Too bad about the vehicle mode and the lack of ejection. I believe the chest is designed to hold up to 3 disks, that's what I've read from several sources.

It disc was hard to get in the ejector as well. I thought I was going to break it trying to jam it in.

Adam
01-14-2013, 12:41 AM
Since I bought Takara's AM Smokescreen, Hasbro decided to make a new mold for him. Sigh.

http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-prime-39/in-hand-photos-of-beast-hunters-smokescreen-176634/

Voyager Optimus Prime: http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-prime-39/transformers-prime-beast-hunters-voyager-class-optimus-prime-pictorial-review-176650/

Voyager Predaking: www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-prime-39/transformers-prime-beast-hunters-voyager-class-predaking-pictorial-review-176651/

JediTricks
01-15-2013, 10:29 PM
Yeah, I mentioned him above I think, linked to the other 2 but didn't think to link to Smokescreen. This is way better than the Takara piece using Knock Out's body - that made no sense at all, surprised you bought it. I like this character a lot, but that didn't represent him to me. This new piece I suspect wasn't made for Beast Hunters, the alt mode has none of the trademark changes, instead relying on a clip-on accessory to do that. I bet they made the mold for last year's line and just held it back.

Adam
01-16-2013, 12:53 AM
I posted the other two as they were more recent in hand pics. Smokescreen... I guess I'm just a sucker for the microns.

JediTricks
01-16-2013, 08:51 PM
Ah, you know what, I linked to those pictures in a different thread and only thought I linked to them here. My bad.

I like the idea of Microns a lot, just not the pricetag.

Spotted TF: Generations FOC Voyager-class Soundwave in the wild today, passed. Chest is so deep and looks out of scale, I'll wait until I see Soundblaster and decide then.

Also spotted TFPBH dlx Soundwave with itsy bitsy guaranteed-to-be-lost Ravage.

figrin bran
01-17-2013, 06:15 PM
I definitely want Beast Hunters Smokescreen and most likely Ripclaw.

Other than those and FOC Grimlock, there's not much Hasbro anything to really look forward to for months.

Darth Metalmute
01-18-2013, 06:41 PM
Spotted TF: Generations FOC Voyager-class Soundwave in the wild today, passed. Chest is so deep and looks out of scale, I'll wait until I see Soundblaster and decide then.

I noticed that too, until I stood the WFC and FOC side by side. The WFC has a deep chest as well.

JediTricks
01-18-2013, 07:19 PM
I definitely want Beast Hunters Smokescreen and most likely Ripclaw.

Other than those and FOC Grimlock, there's not much Hasbro anything to really look forward to for months.Aside from Ripclaw, who I doubt I'll bother with although she looks cooler than the dragony things in the line, that's my list as well. And maybe FOC Soundblaster. And maaaaaaaybe the FOC Wreckers (remolds of the Combaticons).


I noticed that too, until I stood the WFC and FOC side by side. The WFC has a deep chest as well.Yeah, but it seems like the FOC figure's shoulders are set further forward and the head is smaller to create the proportional issue I had.

JediTricks
01-20-2013, 01:45 PM
Hit up Culver City TJ Maxx and found more TFP Ultra Magnuses (Magni?), another Thundertron and Star Hammer for $13 each, and Dlx Rumble for $7 each. I decided to splurge and get Ultra Magnus and Rumble.

Rumble is better than I expected despite the kibble on the shoulders. It's not terribly recognizable as Rumble (or Frenzy) IMO, but it does have a nice look and there are a few good touches from the original character. Good uses of deco, paint and clear plastics.

Ultra Magnus is ok, the transformation is pretty good despite a notable kibble shell on the back, vehicle mode is very chintzy and the lack of paint makes it look like a toddler toy, robot mode is alright although has proportion issues. I thought I grabbed the one with both eyes painted right, instead I set that one down and picked back up the one with a notch unpainted in his right eye, smooooooth.

Tycho
01-21-2013, 05:55 AM
I haven't opened my Ultra Magnus yet.

Not planning on getting the character, but doesn't the mold they used for Smokescreen remind you guys of Jazz an awful lot?

figrin bran
01-21-2013, 02:20 PM
I'll probably want Beast Hunters Shockwave as well (even though TFP voyagers have tended to be disappointments more often than not) but that still doesn't make for very much that's worthwhile in Hasbro's pipeline.

JetsAndHeels
01-22-2013, 08:49 AM
Hey guys. Just wanted to check in and give an update.

I was fortunate enough to find all of the FOC wave 3 last week. The main one I wanted was Starscream, and I am thrilled to have him. A note of caution though: be careful when bending his knees. Some people are reporting that his knees are so tight that when they attempted to bend them the pin inside broke. I have been lucky enough to not have this problem so far, but still it warrants repeating so others will be aware. Having said that, I love, love, love this figure. Everything about him impresses me, from the G1 homage in colors to the light piping. If you are a fan of SS like I am, get this figure.

*I know that some don't share my enthusiasm for FOC SS, but I wanted to find it so bad and when I did it was a moment of great victory for me personally. I may be incorporating some of that feeling into how I feel about the figure itself, but nevertheless I still think its great. :)

Ultra Magnus is cool. The colors, new head, and sword make it more interesting than Prime.

Sideswipe is okay. If you have FOC Jazz then you get the idea. He does come with a pretty big gun though, which is a nice touch.

Air Raid is nice. I was going to pass on him but his colors really grabbed my attention and his sword is pretty sweet.

Kickback is one of those I will keep in bot mode. Tried to get him into bug mode and it looked kind of weird. Not sure if I did it wrong or whatever, but he looks neat in robot mode and I like him.

JediTricks, I know you mentioned this several days ago, but I share your opinion on the buster gun from Jetwing Optimus. It is nice and all, but I had a dog of a time getting it converted and then it kept coming apart. Once I finally got it right I gave it to my regular ROTF Leader Optimus and haven't touched it since.

Tycho
01-22-2013, 03:37 PM
I came across all the Combaticons in Target this morning. The only ones that tempt me are Brawl and especially Blast Off. I may buy them down the road. Blast Off looks fantastic in robot mode and Brawl makes a pretty cool Deluxe Class tank. I don't really have a desire to build Bruticus. I have fond memories of the G1 I had as a kid and this is not the same thing by a long shot. Brawl and Blast Off are bigger this time though, and that appeals to me, not the FOC asthetic for Swindle, Onslaught, and Vortex.

Darth Metalmute
01-22-2013, 06:26 PM
I picked up Beast Hunter Soundwave. It's of cheaper quality than the TF:Prime one. The connections are not tight in vehicle/beast mode. the wings easily disconnect and the head has to be forcefully joined. I probably should have passed on him as it basically is the same figure as TF:Prime in different colors.

Chaddymac
01-22-2013, 06:48 PM
I picked up Beast Hunter Soundwave. It's of cheaper quality than the TF:Prime one. The connections are not tight in vehicle/beast mode. the wings easily disconnect and the head has to be forcefully joined. I probably should have passed on him as it basically is the same figure as TF:Prime in different colors.

I bought him for Ravage, and then gave Ravage to the original Soundwave.

Darth Metalmute
01-23-2013, 09:09 PM
That's a great idea. The ravage chest plate looks better and then I can place laserbeak on his hand.

Chaddymac
01-23-2013, 09:19 PM
That's a great idea. The ravage chest plate looks better and then I can place laserbeak on his hand.

Precisely.

JediTricks
01-24-2013, 05:09 PM
Ross has gotten into the TFP action, I picked up another Vehicon and Sergeant Kup for $6 a piece (cheaper than TJ maxx!).

Also, I have an extra TFP Rumble for $7 if anybody wants it, otherwise it's going back to TJ Maxx.

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FOC Grimlock has been spotted at an Arizona TRU! And on markdown for $20! Luuuuucky!

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Japanese FOC Bruticus looks sooooooooooo much better than US SDCC-exclusive:
http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/japanese-transformers-40/transformers-generations-japan-bruticus-in-hand-images-176714/
to hell with you Hasbro, that's the last straw! I paid $110 for game-accuracy and you give me mass-retail quality screwups, then Takara goes and releases this, why did I pay you anything for this collector exclusive? WHY DO YOU SUCK HASBRO?!?

Still, deco can't hide massive design flaws. ;)

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Kup is not a bad TFP figure, I thought it'd be a lot worse. It's odd to see a TFP character with a nose. Kup in alt mode is not that much bigger than the Ironhide Cyberverse Commander figure, like maybe 2/3rds, and it's clear by the head that this was supposed to be the same Ironhide character. Alt mode is a pickup truck, and like G1 Kup, on this figure there's no bottom to the bed, it's hollow to the ground, but here it's a bit of a drawback and even plugging the accessories into the bed doesn't cover it up. That and the cheap wheel design are the only real negatives to alt mode (unless you count the facade windshield on the truck belly).

Transformation is pretty interesting and differs in a few big ways from the Cyberverse version, but the hood having to be stretched past the headlights is super frustrating and it often pops out of its hinge. That said, the hood just sticks out a country mile in official bot mode, so putting it back on the hinge backwards looks way better - albeit Legoformed (Kreoformed?). It's a little more fiddly going back to alt mode because of a demanding order of things, but still not bad.

Bot mode is about twice as big as the Cyberverse figure, and not as wide or bulky. The truck fenders still block the view of either side of the head though. The figure has good articulation and lots of detail, but very little paint unfortunately. The lower legs are the part I don't like looking at, they're not terrible but the design could be more attractive. The 2 twin stubby cannons have good detail and are hollow on the bottom to accommodate some kibble on the forearm, they can be combined to create basically a long tube-gun with a large bore, or individually be held or pegged to the outside of the forearms although those holes are pretty loose.

I saw this exact same figure at West Hollywood Target the same night times 3 at $18.29, that's INSANE for what this is, even at $15 is hard to swallow, but overall it works within the lower budget better than earlier TFP RID figures.



I'll probably want Beast Hunters Shockwave as well (even though TFP voyagers have tended to be disappointments more often than not) but that still doesn't make for very much that's worthwhile in Hasbro's pipeline.Same here, all the way.



Hey guys. Just wanted to check in and give an update.

I was fortunate enough to find all of the FOC wave 3 last week. The main one I wanted was Starscream, and I am thrilled to have him. A note of caution though: be careful when bending his knees. Some people are reporting that his knees are so tight that when they attempted to bend them the pin inside broke. I have been lucky enough to not have this problem so far, but still it warrants repeating so others will be aware. Nice finds, my Starscream indeed had that problem and the left knee hinge broke the outer knee part, not the pin. The joint is now stupidly loose, dangling whenever I pick him up, but the leg is still attached. I'm looking to replace him, but hate hearing this is a repeated problem - wouldn't want it to happen on my next one as well. The part on his outer knee broke without ANY resistance either, not even a pinky's worth of force caused it to break, it snapped free so easily.

Surprisingly, I see he's available on Amazon right now so I ordered a replacement, will return the original to TRU for the $17 and change.

They also have FOC Ultra Magnus, Air Raid (under the name Fireflight), and Sideswipe. $15 a pop plus tax.


Having said that, I love, love, love this figure. Everything about him impresses me, from the G1 homage in colors to the light piping. If you are a fan of SS like I am, get this figure.

*I know that some don't share my enthusiasm for FOC SS, but I wanted to find it so bad and when I did it was a moment of great victory for me personally. I may be incorporating some of that feeling into how I feel about the figure itself, but nevertheless I still think its great. :)Glad you found him. It's a good figure but IMO too simple, there's not enough sculpted detail, the figure isn't sharp enough, and they cheaped out on the design. So good, could be better.


Sideswipe is okay. If you have FOC Jazz then you get the idea. He does come with a pretty big gun though, which is a nice touch.

Air Raid is nice. I was going to pass on him but his colors really grabbed my attention and his sword is pretty sweet.I'm on the fence about these 2, I had an Air Raid in my hand but passed due to the $17 pricetag for a repaint that doesn't look a thing like he does in the game. But they both do look good and have new accessories.


JediTricks, I know you mentioned this several days ago, but I share your opinion on the buster gun from Jetwing Optimus. It is nice and all, but I had a dog of a time getting it converted and then it kept coming apart. Once I finally got it right I gave it to my regular ROTF Leader Optimus and haven't touched it since.I've since done it 3 times, it's a little clearer once you've gone through it a couple times and attached it to LC Prime's hand where the kibble lays against the forearm to suggest (albeit poorly) that it's a gun spawning from his forearm. But yeah, definitely could have been better, glad it wasn't the only new thing in this set.



I came across all the Combaticons in Target this morning. The only ones that tempt me are Brawl and especially Blast Off. I may buy them down the road. Blast Off looks fantastic in robot mode and Brawl makes a pretty cool Deluxe Class tank. I don't really have a desire to build Bruticus. I have fond memories of the G1 I had as a kid and this is not the same thing by a long shot. Brawl and Blast Off are bigger this time though, and that appeals to me, not the FOC asthetic for Swindle, Onslaught, and Vortex.Blast Off has terrible shoulder design, he's not fun to pose due to that, and as a shuttle he's a lot of compromises to make him less fun.

Brawl on his own isn't that fun a toy as the tank has no wheels and lots of gaps. Not terrible, but not worth your time either. Save your money.

Darth Metalmute
01-24-2013, 05:41 PM
Japanese FOC Bruticus looks sooooooooooo much better than US SDCC-exclusive:
http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/japanese-transformers-40/transformers-generations-japan-bruticus-in-hand-images-176714/
to hell with you Hasbro, that's the last straw! I paid $110 for game-accuracy and you give me mass-retail quality screwups, then Takara goes and releases this, why did I pay you anything for this collector exclusive? WHY DO YOU SUCK HASBRO?!?


Bruticus with four Brawl appendages is pretty neat though.

Tycho
01-24-2013, 05:55 PM
Thanks for the reviews, JT.

I wanted a CYBERVERSE sized Kup (the character). Perhaps if I find the discounted (Deluxe TFP?) figure it would look nicely in scale with my Titanium Ultra Magnus? (An approximately Voyager class sized figure.)

Now I figured out what to do about the Michael Bay movies:

1) They do not reboot the first 3. They count.
2) Megatron, Starscream, Soundwave, Shockwave die quite permanently in Chicago (as does Sentinel Prime) and "Combaticons" Brawl, Vortex (Blackout, Grindor), and Onslaught (close enough to Megatron's TF3 Alt form).

So how do we make an interesting movie without the above characters? Well we can. We have the characters.

First - don't make this a sequel. Make it take place DURING ROTF or DOTM.

Second - have it be a mission that must be completed for Optimus Prime or Megatron, or mission(S) for both that must be achieved to achieve the results of the established movies.

Third - the cast:

Decepticons:

a) Galvatron - he is an entirely separate character from Megatron and has his own ambitions to be The Fallen's No. 2 and then take over. His alt-mode could be something Cybertronian and terrifying.

b) Cyclonus - Galvatron's first lieutenant and air commander - he is in his G1 character but turns into an F-18 Hornet to be realistic to an earth disguise. His personality and loyalty to Galvatron, and perhaps The Fallen is as it would be were he the G1.5 character.

c) Scourge / the Sweeps - they are sea and land operable hovercraft, current military look

d) Blitzwing - a triple changer that can join Cyclonus on air attacks

e) Astrotrain - just like his G1 form. His transformation is incredible to get the length for the locomotive with maybe an extra cargo car.

f) Swindle - need a small Decepticon. There won't be other Combaticons perhaps. Or there will be and Astrotrain will form Bruticus with them (don't need or might be able to go with 2 space shuttles, but the size dictates that he will be the main body of Bruticus instead of Onslaught).

g) Combaticons: Blast Off will be the largest and form the body. Onslaught, Vortex, Brawl, and Swindle will be the limbs. New characters might need to be added like Devastator went to 7 Constructicons instead of 6. Bruticus could add a Harrier jet or two - perhaps reimagined Thundercracker and Skywarp?

Look - it might have to change the "cannon," to fit in the Michael Bay universe - which in many ways I DO perfer - though not how he handled Wheeljack and Mirage - mostly the former. Arcee as well - possibly.


But let's go to the Autobots:

the Leader will be Ultra Magnus. He works for Optimus Prime (who doesn't have to be in the movie but for a cameo - and the Autobot characters might mention the "death of Prime" during the course of the events they experience and Magnus could wonder whether he should rendezvous with Ironhide and SideSwipe during ROTF and take command, or mind his duty on the mission for this movie. Good conflict for the character.

Kup - Ultra Magnus would choose the Autobot with the most experience to be his first lieutenant. Kup will be an old pick-up. What else?

Springer - the best Autobot warrior on the team. His military background would give reason for him to be a defecting former Decepticon. Gives him both war experience and an edge. His triple-changing might or might not be needed. Helicopter mode for sure.

Hound - will be Springer's war buddy. Jeep as always. Could be a Humvee as reimagined though.

Trailbreaker - fits in with the off-road, all-purpose nature of the rest of this crew.

The story might focus on the Autobots above with Springer and Hound being leads like BumbleBee (alive and probably in Washington D.C. or Egypt at this time). Ultra Magnus would be the detached but heroic leader in the "Prime role."

Available Autobot cars might also include Hot Rod (not a Cybertronian mode), Sunstreaker (with concerns for his brother Sideswipe also serving in Egypt or somewhere), Blurr (another earth mode car, not Cybertronian but talks fast like his G1.5 character). Smokescreen and Tracks.

Hot Rod could be a central character, but I think I've imagined a better story for Springer / Hound / Ultra Magnus.

I think "my version" of Galvatron (though I'd like him to be built from Megatron though it doesn't seem to be an option at this point) is still pretty awesome and makes the Decepticon leader of this cast pretty darn cool.


HUMANS?

A new military cast with CIA opertatives - and possibly other Sector 7 agents.

If it were affordable and as a joke, I'd add a cameo by Will Smith and Tommy Lee Jones as the Men In Black (Cars). John Turturro's character would be busy.

The "Michael Bay movie sexy chick?" I'd make her or both of them CIA and / or infantry military, possibly Sector 7, (which would be "officially disbanded at this point") but play the women seriously.

JediTricks
01-24-2013, 06:25 PM
Bruticus with four Brawl appendages is pretty neat though.Yeah, reminds me of PCC that way though, too much repetition on a theme.

In the US we'll have 4 releases of each Combaticon, so you'll be able to do that with SDCC, mainline, G2, and the mainline Wreckers version.

Darth Metalmute
01-24-2013, 07:11 PM
Was there a U.S. store that picked up Masterpiece Soundwave yet?

Chaddymac
01-24-2013, 07:19 PM
Was there a U.S. store that picked up Masterpiece Soundwave yet?
Not yet. Toy Fair is in a couple weeks. But odds are, it will be TRU, announced at Botcon, and held for Christmas.

Chaddymac
01-24-2013, 07:20 PM
You know, the Japanese release is like $175. So, still, $110 would've considered a discount.

http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=TAK11567&mode=retail

JediTricks
01-24-2013, 07:27 PM
You know, the Japanese release is like $175. So, still, $110 would've considered a discount.

http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=TAK11567&mode=retailFrom HLJ they're only $133.15 for the 5, tho' they're saying list price for the 5 would be $166.40:
http://www.hlj.com/product/TKT47596
http://www.hlj.com/product/TKT47595
http://www.hlj.com/product/TKT47594
http://www.hlj.com/product/TKT47593
http://www.hlj.com/product/TKT47592

figrin bran
01-24-2013, 10:32 PM
I saw a fan mode using Skystalker as a chest plate for Bruticus but of course, I can't locate where my Skystalker is.

I'd like to complete my Kreo micro changers wave 1 set and they're even a part of Target's Valentine's section but every store I've visited has had empty shelves.

El Chuxter
01-24-2013, 11:45 PM
I don't suppose anyone's customized a Bruticus using the Classics Onslaught somehow...?

Darth Metalmute
01-25-2013, 10:31 AM
Has anyone found a alternate transformation guide for Bruticus? I've looked on the web, but the only ones I've seen are kind of sloppy.

Chaddymac
01-25-2013, 11:38 AM
Has anyone found a alternate transformation guide for Bruticus? I've looked on the web, but the only ones I've seen are kind of sloppy.

Anything specifically you're looking for?

JetsAndHeels
01-25-2013, 12:13 PM
I'm on the fence about these 2, I had an Air Raid in my hand but passed due to the $17 pricetag for a repaint that doesn't look a thing like he does in the game. But they both do look good and have new accessories.

If I had to choose only one, it would be Air Raid. The colors pop on him and the sword is a cool accessory.

I'm glad to hear that FOC Grimlock has been spotted. I can't wait to track down both him and Blaster.

El Chuxter
01-25-2013, 03:10 PM
I think they've lost me.

I had $10 in TRU Rewards that expire this weekend, and went to TRU in the hopes of finding the new FOC figures, or maybe some Wave 2 Retaliation stuff. They not only had Magnus, but they had a BOGO50% sale. The only other figures I didn't have were Jazz, Sideswipe, and Soundwave and his cassettes. (**** what Hasbro says, they are NOT "Minicons."

Magnus was $16. I could not bring myself to pay that for him. He's so undersized.

I wound up getting some toys for the kids instead.

JediTricks
01-25-2013, 03:21 PM
I saw a fan mode using Skystalker as a chest plate for Bruticus but of course, I can't locate where my Skystalker is. Link? Also, you could use GDO Laserbeak.


I don't suppose anyone's customized a Bruticus using the Classics Onslaught somehow...?I haven't seen anything of that yet, but it's certainly something I'd be interested in seeing.


If I had to choose only one, it would be Air Raid. The colors pop on him and the sword is a cool accessory.Thanks for the advice. Haven't had to worry about it lately as I am broke. :p


I think they've lost me.

I had $10 in TRU Rewards that expire this weekend, and went to TRU in the hopes of finding the new FOC figures, or maybe some Wave 2 Retaliation stuff. They not only had Magnus, but they had a BOGO50% sale. The only other figures I didn't have were Jazz, Sideswipe, and Soundwave and his cassettes. (**** what Hasbro says, they are NOT "Minicons."

Magnus was $16. I could not bring myself to pay that for him. He's so undersized.

I wound up getting some toys for the kids instead.I hear ya, right now there's nothing out there that's not undersized and overpriced and just disappointing, especially if you're not into TF Prime or Fall of Cybertron.

Darth Metalmute
01-25-2013, 06:39 PM
Anything specifically you're looking for?

I want to switch Blastoff into a leg and Brawl into an arm. I think I got Brawl, but it doesn't look right. Blastoff appears impossible.

Chaddymac
01-25-2013, 06:50 PM
I want to switch Blastoff into a leg and Brawl into an arm. I think I got Brawl, but it doesn't look right. Blastoff appears impossible.

If you can wait until tomorrow, I'll take pics so you can see. I don't know where the guides were that I found who explained it.

Darth Metalmute
01-25-2013, 09:20 PM
If you can wait until tomorrow, I'll take pics so you can see. I don't know where the guides were that I found who explained it.

Cool, Thanks! He's at my office so I won't be able to transform him till Monday.

JetsAndHeels
01-26-2013, 10:34 AM
Thanks for the advice. Haven't had to worry about it lately as I am broke. :p

Trust me I understand. The last time I got paid was December 21st.

Chaddymac
01-26-2013, 02:25 PM
Cool, Thanks! He's at my office so I won't be able to transform him till Monday.
These aren't great pics, but they should suffice. The trick with Brawl is to make sure his ab piece rotates a full 90 degrees so the arm joint is fully extended. Jiggle it to get it into the right position to rotate that way. The trick with Blast Off is to flip his arms out so that they form a foot. Otherwise, it's just folding in the wings to stabilize the heel.

Let me know if you have any Q's. I'm trying to use dropbox as a pic host. Hopefully this works. I've pics of the individual limbs and the full combiner.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/iecw5d54xy1h62q/2013-01-26%2012.07.34.jpg

https://www.dropbox.com/s/2z6rqub53hhprez/2013-01-26%2012.07.19.jpg

https://www.dropbox.com/s/m9w8anfc4u2ifza/2013-01-26%2012.07.07.jpg

https://www.dropbox.com/s/wrilnrkdovwh5qn/2013-01-26%2012.04.05.jpg

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ob8p30yka2xnntd/2013-01-26%2012.03.57.jpg

https://www.dropbox.com/s/kxvtfx3toetwrfy/2013-01-26%2011.52.31.jpg

Darth Metalmute
01-26-2013, 08:54 PM
These aren't great pics, but they should suffice. The trick with Brawl is to make sure his ab piece rotates a full 90 degrees so the arm joint is fully extended. Jiggle it to get it into the right position to rotate that way. The trick with Blast Off is to flip his arms out so that they form a foot. Otherwise, it's just folding in the wings to stabilize the heel.

Let me know if you have any Q's. I'm trying to use dropbox as a pic host. Hopefully this works. I've pics of the individual limbs and the full combiner.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/iecw5d54xy1h62q/2013-01-26%2012.07.34.jpg

https://www.dropbox.com/s/2z6rqub53hhprez/2013-01-26%2012.07.19.jpg

https://www.dropbox.com/s/m9w8anfc4u2ifza/2013-01-26%2012.07.07.jpg

https://www.dropbox.com/s/wrilnrkdovwh5qn/2013-01-26%2012.04.05.jpg

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ob8p30yka2xnntd/2013-01-26%2012.03.57.jpg

https://www.dropbox.com/s/kxvtfx3toetwrfy/2013-01-26%2011.52.31.jpg

pictures came out great. Thanks for the help. I'll try it Monday. I think I did have Brawl correct, it just looked weird because his shoulder stuck out so far.

figrin bran
01-26-2013, 09:08 PM
Link? Also, you could use GDO Laserbeak.

I haven't seen anything of that yet, but it's certainly something I'd be interested in seeing.

Thanks for the advice. Haven't had to worry about it lately as I am broke. :p

I hear ya, right now there's nothing out there that's not undersized and overpriced and just disappointing, especially if you're not into TF Prime or Fall of Cybertron.


I saw it on TFW2005. The fan modes thread, I believe. I passed on GDO Laserbeak unfortunately.

Picked up 2 more Kreo micro changers today - Springer and Inferno, one of which was free thanks to a recent coupon in the Sunday paper. And I used the rest of my $15 TRU rewards on FOC Soundwave.

JediTricks
01-27-2013, 07:00 PM
I want to switch Blastoff into a leg and Brawl into an arm. I think I got Brawl, but it doesn't look right. Blastoff appears impossible.My review of the SDCC set has a ton of super huge pics of the alt limb configurations both combined and on their own, as closely matched to the Hasbro ones as possible (or in the case of Blast Off, as made sense since Hasbro willfully leaves out the toes):
http://www.tfviews.com/news/toysandcollectibles/1390


These aren't great pics, but they should suffice. The trick with Brawl is to make sure his ab piece rotates a full 90 degrees so the arm joint is fully extended. Jiggle it to get it into the right position to rotate that way. The trick with Blast Off is to flip his arms out so that they form a foot. Otherwise, it's just folding in the wings to stabilize the heel.

Let me know if you have any Q's. I'm trying to use dropbox as a pic host. Hopefully this works. I've pics of the individual limbs and the full combiner.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/iecw5d54xy1h62q/2013-01-26%2012.07.34.jpg

https://www.dropbox.com/s/2z6rqub53hhprez/2013-01-26%2012.07.19.jpg

https://www.dropbox.com/s/m9w8anfc4u2ifza/2013-01-26%2012.07.07.jpg

https://www.dropbox.com/s/wrilnrkdovwh5qn/2013-01-26%2012.04.05.jpg

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ob8p30yka2xnntd/2013-01-26%2012.03.57.jpg

https://www.dropbox.com/s/kxvtfx3toetwrfy/2013-01-26%2011.52.31.jpgExcellent advice, and not bad pics. Brawl's ab piece is a true pain in the butt to get working, you have to pull and push at the same time, and usually that results in the lower waist slipping away from the joint. I would suggest flipping Brawl-as-arm's thrusters down to close off the gap below the shoulder though.



Trust me I understand. The last time I got paid was December 21st.Woof! Sucks to hear that, good luck.



I saw it on TFW2005. The fan modes thread, I believe. I passed on GDO Laserbeak unfortunately. I'm surprised, GDO Laserbeak hasn't been too horribly rare around here, and is fairly decent.

As for the link, I'm not seeing it, the only one I found is as a chest for Energon Bruticus Maximus.

Chaddymac
01-27-2013, 07:49 PM
Excellent advice, and not bad pics. Brawl's ab piece is a true pain in the butt to get working, you have to pull and push at the same time, and usually that results in the lower waist slipping away from the joint. I would suggest flipping Brawl-as-arm's thrusters down to close off the gap below the shoulder though.

Ah. Nice tip.

Darth Metalmute
01-28-2013, 08:09 AM
Thanks guys! I definitely prefer blastoff as a leg. I wasn't happy with how clumpy his lower arm felt. I saw some alternative transformations that looked nice, but were flimsy.
27091

JediTricks
01-28-2013, 08:31 PM
My replacement FOC Starscream arrived, and the knee works so I'm content. Plus I'll be getting a few more bucks back since I paid more from TRU than I did from Amazon. For a second, it felt like the knee wasn't moving but that turned out to be a piece of flash, not a frozen joint - for that tiny moment though I felt like it was doom again. :p



Ah. Nice tip.Sure thing. I put a lot of research and thought into those parts after seeing the alt limbs at Comic-Con, both in person and in the slide.


Thanks guys! I definitely prefer blastoff as a leg. I wasn't happy with how clumpy his lower arm felt. I saw some alternative transformations that looked nice, but were flimsy.
27091Sure thing. I hear ya on the Blast Off as Leg thing, the long gangly arm look really doesn't work well and even if Onslaught had been as big as he should have been that arm would still be a bummer. I'm not miserable with the fan-mode transformation I did with Blast Off as an arm, but only because in the game he's got no hand half the time since he's shooting fire out his wrist.

I've seen another fan-mode arm transformation for Blast Off that I liked the looks of, but not only did it not turn out to be notably shorter than the existing mode, it was held together with just the pin in the fist halves so it was horribly flimsy and stressed parts which in my world is a no.

Now that I look at the pictures I did of my fan version though, I'm wondering if I should try using Blast Off's arms as pincers or something... this works better than I thought, there's a usable fist hole and flame holes flat spot, check it out:
So here's the new fist:
http://tfviews.com/Bruticus/blastoff-alt/IMAG0513.jpg
http://tfviews.com/Bruticus/blastoff-alt/IMAG0514.jpg
http://tfviews.com/Bruticus/blastoff-alt/IMAG0515.jpg
http://tfviews.com/Bruticus/blastoff-alt/IMAG0516.jpg
http://tfviews.com/Bruticus/blastoff-alt/IMAG0517.jpg
it's just the bot forearms rotated around so that the fins look like a thumb and they can get as close together as possible, nothing holds it together, but friction keeps it tightly next to each other to look ok, even though there is a gap from some angles.

And here's the new flamethrower mode:
http://tfviews.com/Bruticus/blastoff-alt/IMAG0518.jpg
http://tfviews.com/Bruticus/blastoff-alt/IMAG0519.jpg
here the forearms are rotated the opposite way so that they cover in the empty space of my previous version, and the 5mm pegholes face forward to suggest the flamethrower.

And here my fan mode Blast Off arm is with my fan mode arm transformation for Vortex as well:
http://tfviews.com/Bruticus/blastoff-alt/IMAG0520.jpg
impressively, they end up about the same shorter length, and now you can bring Vortex's spinning shoulder shield to bear while also sporting the flamethrower mode (official transformation for Vortex has the vehicle outriggers blocking the rotors from spinning).

figrin bran
01-30-2013, 03:14 PM
It looks like we'll be getting FOC Voyager Springer and Astrotrain. Not to mention an MP Acid Storm which will be a pass for me. 3 MP seekers is enough for me.

JediTricks
01-30-2013, 04:24 PM
The art for FOC Springer looks great, I hope they can deliver on that:
http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-generations-classics-30-35/voyager-fall-of-cybertron-springer-astrotrain-176776/
I don't expect it though, the unused game design seems to have the wheels fold flat where the toy couldn't possibly afford to do such a thing. Still, if it follows that as a guideline it could be pretty nice even with wheels as extra thrusters.

No art yet for FOC Astrotrain, but anything's got to be better than the awful Classics version.


MP Acid Storm is a lame idea IMO.

Darth Metalmute
01-30-2013, 05:51 PM
So the new deco for Bruticus will be an Autobot Mold? That doesn't make sense to me...

El Chuxter
01-30-2013, 05:59 PM
An Autobot series based on random Wreckers. Who's the gestalt going to be? Maybe they can toss in an extra head to make Rack'n'Ruin?

Adam
01-30-2013, 07:24 PM
An Autobot series based on random Wreckers. Who's the gestalt going to be? Maybe they can toss in an extra head to make Rack'n'Ruin?

The combiner is swiping the RiD combaticon name, Ruination. His head sculpt is based on Emirate Xaaron (http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Xaaron) (These guys were shown at SDCC I think.)

Hey, this looks to be BH Ultra Magnus. He's also a flipping weird amalgamation of PRiD voyager Prime.

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-news-rumors/782106-beast-hunters-ultra-magnus-voyager-prototype.html

Seemingly going for this cover art: http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-news-rumors/782106-beast-hunters-ultra-magnus-voyager-prototype-3.html#post8909692

El Chuxter
01-30-2013, 07:34 PM
Huh. I saw it and was thinking more Superion without the goggles and faceplate. I have a hard time picturing Xaaron in an action role, and didn't see on Ruination that weird thing that goes on with his mouth.

JediTricks
01-30-2013, 09:48 PM
So the new deco for Bruticus will be an Autobot Mold? That doesn't make sense to me...It's called a "moneygrab". ;) They're filling space in the line, I guess.


Huh. I saw it and was thinking more Superion without the goggles and faceplate. I have a hard time picturing Xaaron in an action role, and didn't see on Ruination that weird thing that goes on with his mouth.Here's the slides Hasbro brought to Comic-Con last year for this Wreckers wave, and note that every figure has a new accessory from the original Combaticon molds:

Whirl
http://photos.actionfigs.com/after-panel-reveals-hi-res/p76257-hasbro.html
http://photos.actionfigs.com/after-panel-reveals-hi-res/p76256-hasbro.html

Twintwist
http://photos.actionfigs.com/after-panel-reveals-hi-res/p76255-hasbro.html
http://photos.actionfigs.com/after-panel-reveals-hi-res/p76254-hasbro.html

Topspin
http://photos.actionfigs.com/after-panel-reveals-hi-res/p76253-hasbro.html
http://photos.actionfigs.com/after-panel-reveals-hi-res/p76252-hasbro.html

Roadbuster
http://photos.actionfigs.com/after-panel-reveals-hi-res/p76248-hasbro.html
http://photos.actionfigs.com/after-panel-reveals-hi-res/p76247-hasbro.html

Impactor
http://photos.actionfigs.com/after-panel-reveals-hi-res/p76245-hasbro.html
http://photos.actionfigs.com/after-panel-reveals-hi-res/p76246-hasbro.html

Combine to form Ruination
http://photos.actionfigs.com/after-panel-reveals-hi-res/p76249-hasbro.html

I think in that high-res you can see the weird mouth thing going on, and of course the crest matches up too.

Adam
01-30-2013, 09:52 PM
(You mixed up Twintwist and Roadbuster there JT. ^)

I found FoC Grimlock tonight. I like him quite a bit, but I will concede that his transformation and alt mode are seriously lacking. Concessions to remain faithful to the robot mode and budget? *Shrug* He is very light, mainly due to the hollow chest to accommodate the light gimmick there. Robot mode is grrrrreat though, and his shoulders have a wider range of movement than I thought he would have. Both sword and shield are a little smaller inperson but still look good. Buy this guy if you dig his robot mode design, otherwise pass.

I just noticed this thread is almost nine years old! Wow. I think its due for the title to change. Energon, haha.

JediTricks
01-30-2013, 10:23 PM
(You mixed up Twintwist and Roadbuster there JT. ^)Thanks, fixed. I checked a couple others and figured since they were right the rest were too. Oh, don't forget to click the images to get a larger view of the slides.


I found FoC Grimlock tonight. I like him quite a bit, but I will concede that his transformation and alt mode are seriously lacking. Concessions to remain faithful to the robot mode and budget? *Shrug* He is very light, mainly due to the hollow chest to accommodate the light gimmick there. Robot mode is grrrrreat though, and his shoulders have a wider range of movement than I thought he would have. Both sword and shield are a little smaller inperson but still look good. Buy this guy if you dig his robot mode design, otherwise pass.Frustrating to hear that he's hollow and simple, I was looking forward to this figure but sorta suspected we were getting duped when they put a light feature in it. Where did you find him, and for how much?


I just noticed this thread is almost nine years old! Wow. I think its due for the title to change. Energon, haha.And the funny part is that this is a sequel thread to another super long thread that got eaten in the great ISE wars, along with the mega-giant Just Found LA thread.

"Energon and beyond" still fits, either you can look at it as just "energon" the element in TF, or you could say that this is WELL beyond TF:Energon. ;)

Adam
01-30-2013, 10:55 PM
Frustrating to hear that he's hollow and simple, I was looking forward to this figure but sorta suspected we were getting duped when they put a light feature in it. Where did you find him, and for how much?

TRU, although I saw on Facebook that Target is starting to finally get voyagers in. Ran into another local collector at TRU and we went to the service desk armed with the item number and their backroom guy brought them out to us. I only got Grimlock; the other collector got there before me so I conceded Blaster to him. :tongue:

I read through the first 20ish pages of the thread and was laughing at some of my own comments and predictions from back then. We apparently were all *very* impressed with Energon combiners back then, hehe. Oh if only past Adam could see the Hercules and Giant on my shelves now..

Oh, just remembered voyager Springer and Astrotrain! I assume those will be at Toyfair next week.

Darth Metalmute
01-31-2013, 05:30 PM
Wasn't Ruination a Decepticon though?

Chaddymac
01-31-2013, 07:16 PM
Wasn't Ruination a Decepticon though?Technically, in RID, yes. But the Wrecker's call to arms, "Wreck 'n Ruin" makes the name seem fitting.

JediTricks
01-31-2013, 08:00 PM
TRU, although I saw on Facebook that Target is starting to finally get voyagers in. Ran into another local collector at TRU and we went to the service desk armed with the item number and their backroom guy brought them out to us. I only got Grimlock; the other collector got there before me so I conceded Blaster to him. :tongue:

I read through the first 20ish pages of the thread and was laughing at some of my own comments and predictions from back then. We apparently were all *very* impressed with Energon combiners back then, hehe. Oh if only past Adam could see the Hercules and Giant on my shelves now..

Oh, just remembered voyager Springer and Astrotrain! I assume those will be at Toyfair next week.Thanks for the intel. I hate when you have to use item numbers to get stuff out of TRU, they always lie to my face claiming it's coming on the next truck, everything they have is already on shelves.

I'll be honest, I still kinda like the Energon combiners more than I do the PCCs or FOC Bruticus, the central core figures are better and the limbs are more complete, even though they do have the cheaty extra parts that don't look like much. And they were priced reasonably for what they were. Aftermarket doesn't count, obviously (although the aftermarket also makes the Energon combiners much better too).

Yeah, I hope to see voyager FOC Springer and Astrotrain at Toy Fair, those sound really promising.


Wasn't Ruination a Decepticon though?


Technically, in RID, yes. But the Wrecker's call to arms, "Wreck 'n Ruin" makes the name seem fitting.Bingo! Plus they get to protect an existing trademark.

Adam
02-01-2013, 09:48 PM
Oh man, I am so all over these.

http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/3rd-party-unlicensed-41/fansproject-drag-strip-and-dead-end-revealed-176796/

Chaddymac
02-02-2013, 09:27 AM
Oh man, I am so all over these.

http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/3rd-party-unlicensed-41/fansproject-drag-strip-and-dead-end-revealed-176796/

Yeah... Me too.

Tycho
02-03-2013, 02:28 AM
I am trying to figure what size these Decepticon cars will be: as compared to different movie Deluxe BumbleBees and Scout and Cyberverse Commander vehicles.

This set looks awesome!

JediTricks
02-03-2013, 04:47 PM
$60 a piece for a deluxe-sized third-party figure? OUCH. They look nice, but they actually look more Hasbro than I'm used to. Little gaps here and there in both modes, unpleasant screw bosses, sharing parts between not-Wildrider and not-Breakdown. Couldn't pry that out of me, that's for sure.

Tycho
02-03-2013, 06:17 PM
Yes, at that price I'd hesitate, too.

I might look closer at these car-by-car without the goal of building Menasaur. Some point later.

I need disposable income for a lot of other fun stuff (and work related stuff) that won't get spent on toys right now.

Adam
02-05-2013, 01:36 AM
$60 a piece for a deluxe-sized third-party figure? OUCH.

That's about standard for a 3P fairly complex deluxed sized figure lately.(In this case by "fairly complex I mean compared to what iGears mini-warriors line has turned into.) The FP "Insecticons" were only $5ish cheaper when they first came out, and those lacked the third mode needed for a combiner that these have. At the very least its not Perfect Effect crazy deluxe prices.. like their $100 Arcee motobot.

Chaddymac
02-05-2013, 09:24 AM
That's about standard for a 3P fairly complex deluxed sized figure lately.(In this case by "fairly complex I mean compared to what iGears mini-warriors line has turned into.) The FP "Insecticons" were only $5ish cheaper when they first came out, and those lacked the third mode needed for a combiner that these have. At the very least its not Perfect Effect crazy deluxe prices.. like their $100 Arcee motobot.
All true, but JT is right to flinch. That's a high price if it isn't something you can't live without. That just happens to be how I feel about it - ha! I'm an idiot...

JetsAndHeels
02-05-2013, 11:25 AM
I really enjoy Transformers, but honestly right now I am a bit underwhelmed . I want MP Soundwave but I will wait for a Hasbro release. The Beast Hunters stuff isn't really my thing, even though I got Wheeljack and he is really neat. I think after I get FOC Grimlock and Blaster I will take a break. I am focusing more on Star Wars now anyway.

Chaddymac
02-05-2013, 11:38 AM
I really enjoy Transformers, but honestly right now I am a bit underwhelmed . I want MP Soundwave but I will wait for a Hasbro release. The Beast Hunters stuff isn't really my thing, even though I got Wheeljack and he is really neat. I think after I get FOC Grimlock and Blaster I will take a break. I am focusing more on Star Wars now anyway.

I feel you. Outside of the MP's and a handful of third party, I'm not that drawn to anything either. Just out of curiosity, what is it about Star Wars that is speaking to you right now? I'm a little underwhelmed there also.

El Chuxter
02-05-2013, 12:34 PM
I want Grimlock, no question. I want to see Kickback in person before judging. (I'd say I want him, but I wanted Magnus until I saw him.) Beyond that, unless there's a serious change, I'm done for a while. I've no interest in their repainting Fall of Cybertron characters as different "Fall of Cybertron Expanded Universe" characters that are so loosely based on G1 characters that they may as well not have bothered. And the price is way too high for the size and quality. :(

Unlike J&H, I'm not going back to SW. The long dry spell, particularly coming on the heels of things I just don't care about like Clone Wars and Legacy, hasn't exactly killed my interest, but made me far more selective. The $12-and-rising cost has only cemented that.

I guess they sorta timed the return of G.I.Joe fairly well, though I suspect that it's going to fizzle, with stores being clogged by Waves 1-2, and none of the better stuff from later waves getting a wide release. (Certainly doesn't help that better versions of many 1-2 figures have been confirmed for later waves, and that stores already got and sold out of 1-2.) But, again, twice what they cost five years ago for sacrificed articulation and accessories is not a recipe for total success.

JetsAndHeels
02-05-2013, 12:51 PM
Just out of curiosity, what is it about Star Wars that is speaking to you right now? I'm a little underwhelmed there also.

Over the last year and a half, I bought more Transformers than anything else. It is my 2nd favorite franchise, behind Star Wars of course. I visited my parents a few weeks ago and was going through some of my collection that I had in storage there. As I was looking through things, it helped re-kindle my love for SW. I really enjoyed the vintage collection and now I'm determined to fill in the gaps that I missed. Also seeing that the new 6 inch figures are coming out has helped boost my excitement. I almost feel bad that I "ignored" Star Wars for so long, but that is something that I am going to remedy.

JediTricks
02-06-2013, 03:06 PM
That's about standard for a 3P fairly complex deluxed sized figure lately.(In this case by "fairly complex I mean compared to what iGears mini-warriors line has turned into.) The FP "Insecticons" were only $5ish cheaper when they first came out, and those lacked the third mode needed for a combiner that these have. At the very least its not Perfect Effect crazy deluxe prices.. like their $100 Arcee motobot.I get that it's a standard price, but those figures usually are sharper and more complex than what these look like. I haven't seen the third-modes on these guys, that I suppose could really change my mind, but I'm doubtful.


All true, but JT is right to flinch. That's a high price if it isn't something you can't live without. That just happens to be how I feel about it - ha! I'm an idiot...You can't live without 'em? Wow! Seriously, I cannot understand why Hasbro utterly refuses to tap that collector market, it's like they're throwing away money. And then they get mad at the third party guys when they refuse to use their own IP in that way - if Hasbro hadn't completely ignored the smaller collector market, there wouldn't have been this demand for these third party items!



I really enjoy Transformers, but honestly right now I am a bit underwhelmed . I want MP Soundwave but I will wait for a Hasbro release. The Beast Hunters stuff isn't really my thing, even though I got Wheeljack and he is really neat. I think after I get FOC Grimlock and Blaster I will take a break. I am focusing more on Star Wars now anyway.


I feel you. Outside of the MP's and a handful of third party, I'm not that drawn to anything either. Just out of curiosity, what is it about Star Wars that is speaking to you right now? I'm a little underwhelmed there also.I'm hoping Hasbro will have some 2nd half of the year products to dazzle us collectors. I feel similarly, I want MP Soundwave, FOC Grimlock and Soundblaster, and Beast Hunters Smokescreen... and that's kind it, not a lot to look forward to. But like Chaddy said, with SW there's absolutely nothing to look forward to until after Comic-Con.


I want Grimlock, no question. I want to see Kickback in person before judging. (I'd say I want him, but I wanted Magnus until I saw him.) Beyond that, unless there's a serious change, I'm done for a while. I've no interest in their repainting Fall of Cybertron characters as different "Fall of Cybertron Expanded Universe" characters that are so loosely based on G1 characters that they may as well not have bothered. And the price is way too high for the size and quality. :(

Unlike J&H, I'm not going back to SW. The long dry spell, particularly coming on the heels of things I just don't care about like Clone Wars and Legacy, hasn't exactly killed my interest, but made me far more selective. The $12-and-rising cost has only cemented that.

I guess they sorta timed the return of G.I.Joe fairly well, though I suspect that it's going to fizzle, with stores being clogged by Waves 1-2, and none of the better stuff from later waves getting a wide release. (Certainly doesn't help that better versions of many 1-2 figures have been confirmed for later waves, and that stores already got and sold out of 1-2.) But, again, twice what they cost five years ago for sacrificed articulation and accessories is not a recipe for total success.I don't even want Kickback, I've seen enough pictures to tell me a sad story there.

I want to like the FOC Wreckers, but I do agree with your point, it's pretty loose and quite costly. I also agree with being more and more selective with Star Wars.


Over the last year and a half, I bought more Transformers than anything else. It is my 2nd favorite franchise, behind Star Wars of course. I visited my parents a few weeks ago and was going through some of my collection that I had in storage there. As I was looking through things, it helped re-kindle my love for SW. I really enjoyed the vintage collection and now I'm determined to fill in the gaps that I missed. Also seeing that the new 6 inch figures are coming out has helped boost my excitement. I almost feel bad that I "ignored" Star Wars for so long, but that is something that I am going to remedy.Sounds like you didn't buy much Star Wars then, as there simply wasn't much TF to buy in 2012.

Adam
02-07-2013, 01:31 AM
All true, but JT is right to flinch. That's a high price if it isn't something you can't live without. That just happens to be how I feel about it - ha! I'm an idiot...

Oh yeah, I certainly don't fault anyone for not picking up a lot of 3P stuff.. but I too am an idiot.


I'm getting MP Soundwave in the next month or so.. I had some Christmas money left over and decided I didn't want to wait... but I do have to wait until TFSource gets their second shipment in. I will certainly give you guys my thoughts on him when he comes in!

I recently acquired some older Lego sets and was quite surprised by the amount of money they fetch on the after market. $110 for a boxed 111 piece General Greivous Chase set? Uh, OK! I've sold a couple of more sets since and almost have enough money to get that ridiculous WfC Omega Supreme. :)

figrin bran
02-07-2013, 02:44 PM
Lego sets sure do skyrocket in price on the secondary market. I've thought about getting the Executor and keeping it MIB for a few years.

I bought FOC Magnus recently just to use the TRU rewards. The sword looks great with Prime Voyager Magnus btw. And I guess I never did post photos of my repaints of him and FE Optimus.

JetsAndHeels
02-08-2013, 12:22 PM
A buddy of mine texted me earlier to let me know he found FOC Blaster and Grimlock. He hid them for me, so as soon as I'm off work I will be headed that way to get them. That will pretty much do it for me on TF's for a while.

El Chuxter
02-08-2013, 08:47 PM
I found Blaster and Grimlock today at TRU.

They both look great. I want both.

But not at TRU's full price, not when I know there will either be a sale or they'll be cheaper at Target.

JediTricks
02-09-2013, 12:32 PM
Can't imagine turning my nose up at Grimlock for $2 more than Target, or were they back up to $27?

Target had the new Cyberverse vehicle sets, no electronics and they didn't even give the Smokescreen ship windows on the side of the cockpit, so I'm going to wait and see. Also had the new Voyagers, both look really chintzy.

Steve is live-updating on the TF news coming out of Hasbro's Toy Fair presentation: https://www.facebook.com/pages/ActionFigs/189549157730985

Cyberverse Cmdr is getting a Shockwave as well. Everything else so far hasn't dazzled me.

JediTricks
02-09-2013, 12:43 PM
Just announced 24" tall FOC-inspired Metroplex. They are showing it in person. I can't wait to see what the photos look like. $125! Light up eyes, triple-changer, Scamper, sounds with phrases, sounds pretty pimp!

Also, confirmed MP Soundwave and he'll come with 5 cassette minions! TRU still exclusive on MP line, also getting Acid Storm, big whoop IMO.

JediTricks
02-09-2013, 06:23 PM
I'm not usually given to such memes, but looking at the pics of Metroplex, all I can think is "SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!" and "I KEEP THROWING MY MONEY AT THE SCREEN BUT NOTHING IS HAPPENING!"

JediTricks
02-09-2013, 06:54 PM
SPRINGER TRIPLE CHANGER!
http://photos.actionfigs.com/transformers/p78806-transformers.html
http://photos.actionfigs.com/transformers/p78794-transformers.html
http://photos.actionfigs.com/transformers/p78791-transformers.html
http://photos.actionfigs.com/transformers/p78785-transformers.html
http://photos.actionfigs.com/transformers/p78784-transformers.html

TRAIL(BREAKER)CUTTER!
http://photos.actionfigs.com/transformers/p78805-transformers.html
http://photos.actionfigs.com/transformers/p78790-transformers.html

BLITZWING TRIPLE CHANGER! And he's TF:Animated-inspired!!!
http://photos.actionfigs.com/transformers/p78795-transformers.html
http://photos.actionfigs.com/transformers/p78793-transformers.html
http://photos.actionfigs.com/transformers/p78792-transformers.html
http://photos.actionfigs.com/transformers/p78787-transformers.html

IDW Orion Pax & more comic sets!
http://photos.actionfigs.com/g6651-transformers-page4.html

METRO!!! PLEX!!!
http://photos.actionfigs.com/transformers/p78778-transformers.html
http://photos.actionfigs.com/transformers/p78777-transformers.html
http://photos.actionfigs.com/g6651-transformers-page5.html
And he's scaled to the Legends figure & buddy packs!
http://photos.actionfigs.com/transformers/p78770-transformers.html
http://photos.actionfigs.com/g6651-transformers-page6.html
http://photos.actionfigs.com/transformers/p78765-transformers.html

AAAAAHHHH! MY WALLET!

figrin bran
02-09-2013, 07:42 PM
My wallet too JT. Metroplex is a definite purchase. Blitzwing turned out better than I thought and is also a must buy.

Pretty much everything you want to get, I want as well.

Maradona
02-09-2013, 08:56 PM
Metroplex is a must for me. I always love the huge robots. I'll put him next to Voltron and Fortress Maximus. The MPs are also on the buy list and I think I'll pick up the 30th anniversary stuff.

El Chuxter
02-09-2013, 09:10 PM
I almost regret buying GDO Springer now. Those are all sweet.

Metroplex, holy cow. Wonder if they'll repaint the heck out of the mold and release him as Metrotitan? :p

El Chuxter
02-09-2013, 09:45 PM
Jesus, JT, how did you skip one of the biggest deals: IDW comic-based figures!! Trailbreaker and Metroplex both appear to take some cues from the IDW versions, and the Megatron, Orion Pax, and Bumblebee are full-on IDW.

I am already standing in front of Target, waiting for Autobot Commander Bumblebee (I'm calling him that, though I know there's no way it'll be an official name). And he'd better have his cane! They've got to figure out how to pack it in as some sort of accessory for those who don't read the comic, but, eh, I guess it'd be fairly easy to customize.

(Seriously, this is pretty big. Folks have been begging the Joe team to make IDW versions of some characters who look way different, but I didn't expect the TF team to do it instead.)

I wonder if they'll make Rung. I hope they make Rung. I really want Rung. Everyone wants Rung. Our Red Alert figures need someone to psychoanalyze them!

JediTricks
02-09-2013, 10:13 PM
Jesus, JT, how did you skip one of the biggest deals: IDW comic-based figures!! Trailbreaker and Metroplex both appear to take some cues from the IDW versions, and the Megatron, Orion Pax, and Bumblebee are full-on IDW.


IDW Orion Pax & more comic sets!
http://photos.actionfigs.com/g6651-transformers-page4.html Yes... how could I have made such a mistake. What an out-of-character oversight on my part.

El Chuxter
02-09-2013, 10:17 PM
Good lord, I somehow missed the link while giggling softly to myself in the sea of Blitzwing and Metroplex images. My bad. Actually, Hasbro's bad on making such an awesome-looking Metroplex we'll all have to find room for.

I think I'm taking back what I said about this being a crap year for TFs. Still not excited about the FOC EU Wreckers and such, but the stuff after looks amazing.

Adam
02-09-2013, 10:27 PM
I immediately shot an email off to tfsource to see if I can cancel or at least get store credit for the Takara Soundwave I ordered.

There is so much awesome in all of that.. it would take too long to comment. I'll just say I echo the enthusiasm everyone has.

SDCC Metrotitan anyone?

That BH Ratchet is SO IRRITATING. He has the paint apps the first one lacked in alt mode, but looks SOOOOO weird.

Tycho
02-10-2013, 10:27 AM
I am going to buy Springer and Blitzwing, and Trailbreaker looks interesting. Maybe Megatron.

The beast formers thing is a disappointment to me.

I am NOT interested in that line.

In general Toy Fairthat was a disappointment for me, but transformers has some interesting product

figrin bran
02-11-2013, 11:51 PM
Maybe we'll be getting an FOC Trypticon next year?

I'll definitely be buying more Legion class to help populate Metroplex.

El Chuxter
02-12-2013, 11:11 AM
Found what was probably the full range of the currently-released later waves of FOC this morning. Kickback looks like butt. He was an easy pass. I don't need or want Cybertronian Starscream, Air Raid, or Kickback at $16 apiece. I did pick up Grimlock, Blaster and, even though I've passed on him several times, Ultra Magnus.

And, unless I change my mind on something I've seen already, that means I only need the Wave 2 Retaliation 3-packs, a few of the Marshalls Joes, and I'm done with toys for a while. (That's both a good thing and a bad thing.)

El Chuxter
02-12-2013, 11:59 AM
Grimlock is a piece of crap. I hate to say it, but he's no better than the Classics Deluxe from several years ago. In robot mode, he's a bit gappy and lacking in a full range of articulation. Conversion involves a few moves that are similar to the original, but it's somewhat difficult to turn his robot arms into T-rex legs and position them properly, oddly enough. I can't get him to not look bow-legged. Also, his entire stomach is hollow, which makes him useless to display in any position aside from his profile. And his plastic is really low-quality. (The Joes have also had a noticeable drop in plastic quality, but they've been able to work around it for the most part so it's not such a distraction.)

Oh, but his mouth lights up when you press a button!!!!1!!!! :rolleyes:

It might seem like I'm judging him harshly, particularly by comparing him to much-loathed Classics Grimlock, but I expect a lot more from Hasbro in 2013 than I did in 2006 (?), and the teaser of Grimlock was one of the big deals in the marketing of the game. And he's my favoritest. I don't think it's fair to judge him against Masterpiece Grimlock, but it's more than fair to judge him against Animated Grimlock, which beats the tar out of this figure.

D. This figure is so bad (particularly for the price), I'm debating whether to even open Blaster and Magnus or just return them to the store.

EDIT (a couple of hours later...)

I transformed Grimlock back to robot mode, since he's useless as a T-rex. This will be the only transforming Grimlock I can't display in dino mode (not counting versions who transform into tanks or Ford Mustangs, obviously). In robot mode, he's not as bad as I initially thought. (I suspect a lot of my hatred was over the worthlessness of his dino mode.) The articulation is still a little lacking, and he kinda looks like a 2006 figure, but he's decent enough as a robot. I've got to upgrade my grade a little, but I can't give him full marks. I'll say, based on the passability of robot mode, he's more a C. I still can't recommend him at $23+.

JediTricks
02-12-2013, 01:49 PM
Good lord, I somehow missed the link while giggling softly to myself in the sea of Blitzwing and Metroplex images. My bad. Actually, Hasbro's bad on making such an awesome-looking Metroplex we'll all have to find room for.

I think I'm taking back what I said about this being a crap year for TFs. Still not excited about the FOC EU Wreckers and such, but the stuff after looks amazing.That's what you get for giggling like a schoolgirl.

Thanks to Beast Humpers, this is a very mixed year, but I do hear ya too on the Ruination Wreckers, that was an odd choice on Hasbro's part, basically trying to stretch for time while they get back on the ball.


I immediately shot an email off to tfsource to see if I can cancel or at least get store credit for the Takara Soundwave I ordered. Heh heh, I'm sure, I bet they're eating it on those. Good luck.


SDCC Metrotitan anyone?That's asking too much, I think. That'd be a really bold choice on their part, I can't imagine them doing something that bold. Then again, I didn't see any molded Autobot symbols so it's not out of the realm of possibility.


That BH Ratchet is SO IRRITATING. He has the paint apps the first one lacked in alt mode, but looks SOOOOO weird.Very much agreed.


Maybe we'll be getting an FOC Trypticon next year?

I'll definitely be buying more Legion class to help populate Metroplex.I think you mean WFC Trypticon, since he was in pieces in FOC, and I doubt they have the stones to make that happen, but I'd be super impressed if they did it.

I am in the same boat on Legends.


Found what was probably the full range of the currently-released later waves of FOC this morning. Kickback looks like butt. He was an easy pass. I don't need or want Cybertronian Starscream, Air Raid, or Kickback at $16 apiece. I did pick up Grimlock, Blaster and, even though I've passed on him several times, Ultra Magnus.

And, unless I change my mind on something I've seen already, that means I only need the Wave 2 Retaliation 3-packs, a few of the Marshalls Joes, and I'm done with toys for a while. (That's both a good thing and a bad thing.)Where did you find the FOC figures? I hear ya on Kickback, haven't seen in person but the more disappointing pics I see, the more I remember how much that character was a big miss in the game and thus I don't want it on any level.


Grimlock is a piece of crap. I hate to say it, but he's no better than the Classics Deluxe from several years ago. In robot mode, he's a bit gappy and lacking in a full range of articulation. Conversion involves a few moves that are similar to the original, but it's somewhat difficult to turn his robot arms into T-rex legs and position them properly, oddly enough. I can't get him to not look bow-legged. Also, his entire stomach is hollow, which makes him useless to display in any position aside from his profile. And his plastic is really low-quality. (The Joes have also had a noticeable drop in plastic quality, but they've been able to work around it for the most part so it's not such a distraction.)

Oh, but his mouth lights up when you press a button!!!!1!!!! :rolleyes:

It might seem like I'm judging him harshly, particularly by comparing him to much-loathed Classics Grimlock, but I expect a lot more from Hasbro in 2013 than I did in 2006 (?), and the teaser of Grimlock was one of the big deals in the marketing of the game. And he's my favoritest. I don't think it's fair to judge him against Masterpiece Grimlock, but it's more than fair to judge him against Animated Grimlock, which beats the tar out of this figure.

D. This figure is so bad (particularly for the price), I'm debating whether to even open Blaster and Magnus or just return them to the store.

EDIT (a couple of hours later...)

I transformed Grimlock back to robot mode, since he's useless as a T-rex. This will be the only transforming Grimlock I can't display in dino mode (not counting versions who transform into tanks or Ford Mustangs, obviously). In robot mode, he's not as bad as I initially thought. (I suspect a lot of my hatred was over the worthlessness of his dino mode.) The articulation is still a little lacking, and he kinda looks like a 2006 figure, but he's decent enough as a robot. I've got to upgrade my grade a little, but I can't give him full marks. I'll say, based on the passability of robot mode, he's more a C. I still can't recommend him at $23+.Dang, that's... wow.

figrin bran
02-12-2013, 03:21 PM
If only I had read Chux's review earlier!

I just ordered FOC Grimlock from HTS and used my $10 coupon on him.

Adam
02-13-2013, 01:06 AM
Wow! I admit I was pretty lenient on Grimlock since I like his robot mode a lot, but jeeez. Harsh! (He really needs a waist ball joint though.)

El Chuxter
02-13-2013, 07:29 AM
Grimlock's robot mode is gradually growing on me. He's not a great figure by any stretch, but would be worth getting on sale. $23 is just a bit much for him.

JediTricks
02-14-2013, 03:32 PM
That's good, I ordered him in the tiny window he was available on Amazon, using my $14.40 in Coinstar free change-counting to supplement the purchase, and he'll be here tomorrow.

Been having fun the last few days with Masterpiece Grimlock, that's one heck of a toy. Still too short to be a Masterpiece though, even in bot mode he's not quite as tall as MP-10 Optimus. Oddly, I found a little hatch on the dino-mode's back that opens up but has no detailing inside.

JetsAndHeels
02-15-2013, 12:30 PM
MP Grimlock is a fantastic toy. Truly worthy of the MP title. It's my favorite of the series along with MP-10.

Since folks are chiming in on FOC Grimlock, I will too. For me his arms are the biggest issue. They seem floppy in bot mode and although they can be posed, I wish they had a way to lock or tab in so that they would be more secure. I can live with the hollow-ness of the figure because the light up gimmick is really cool IMO.

JediTricks
02-17-2013, 03:43 PM
FOC Grimlock got here and it turns out El Chuxter was being very generous, this is an awful figure. Even the robot mode, which is the only thing this figure can say in its favor, the head sculpt is horribly simple and soft; the shoulders are hollow and awkward and entirely incapable of not folding in on themselves when used; the feet are drastically hollow and the knees awkward and more likely to de-transform than to actually bend. It's like they put all their money into this figure's light feature and deco, oddly, which is pretty good (although the dino sports an Autobot logo on the dome while the bot sports a Lightning Strike Coalition sigil on the chest), but not so good that it makes up for the awfulness that is this figure's lackluster quality. The light feature of course shines through the plastic of the head and chest, and the dino jaw for some reason doesn't open much despite the light being ridiculously simple. The light feature does look good in dino mode if you can ignore the simplistic sculpt and light showing through. The dino mode in general, oh man it's bad, the hollow underside of the figure, the unposable hips, the oversized and immobile tail, and they didn't even bother covering the underside with the sword and shield - instead leaving them to just plug into the hips looking terrible. So very sad.

JediTricks
02-18-2013, 03:01 PM
Found a lone FOC Soundblaster at Target last night and picked it up. Not a bad figure at all, I was really worried after Grimlock missed a lot of crucial tests, but the Soundblaster mold is solid, mostly well thought out (the lack of a friction stop on the shoulder transformation hinge is an oddity), has a real transformation, and a fairly nice deco. I say "fairly nice" on the deco because they went with a charcoal color instead of black so it doesn't pop quite as well as it could. What really drew me to this coloring of the mold over Soundwave (aside from having WFC Soundwave already) is that the red translucent plastic for the wheels and chest are quite striking against the charcoal, gray silver, and yellow; where on Soundwave it's purple on purple with more purple and a side of purple.

Other things that are pleasing:
- the figure size and proportions
- left index finger in trigger-pulling pose allows him to press his eject button
- the elbows and knees have a great ratcheting sound
- joints are all tight and consistent
- Buzzsaw can perch on Soundblaster's shoulder
- yellow eyes, just like Scut Farkus
- minion chest door springs open angrily
- Buzzsaw transformation more fun to spring open than I care to admit
- minion gimmick works in vehicle mode
- vehicle mode is pretty much whole, not a lot of weird gaps
- vehicle is an upsized battle van version of Soundwave's sedan design

Things that are displeasing:
- no pistol accessory (this would be a bigger bummer on Soundwave, but rebooted character can argue rebooted weapons)
- vehicle is a belly-dragger in the front
- not good scale to any other WFC/FOC figures (although that's another reason I picked Soundblaster, can say he is a super mode or something)
- could use more sculpted detail and sharper sculpting
- front wheels are on cheap plastic struts that get in the way of the sliding back plate minion-launcher gimmick
- Buzzsaw has no feet
- now I feel compelled to get Ravage & Frenzumble (... Rumby?) despite them looking pretty mediocre

All in all, I'd give this a solid B grade, and could even see bumping that half a grade under the right circumstances.

El Chuxter
02-18-2013, 03:10 PM
Then I shall get Blaster. Same mold with retooling for the head and chest, right?

BTW, I mentioned I'd seen Soundblaster and not thought anything of it. One detail you didn't talk about here is his bio. How is he an upgraded, more hands-on reincarnation of Soundwave (which the bio says, and consistent with what I know of the Headmasters cartoon) if he's millions of years in the past and is still Soundwave by the time Prime rolls around?

JediTricks
02-18-2013, 03:29 PM
Then I shall get Blaster. Same mold with retooling for the head and chest, right?

BTW, I mentioned I'd seen Soundblaster and not thought anything of it. One detail you didn't talk about here is his bio. How is he an upgraded, more hands-on reincarnation of Soundwave (which the bio says, and consistent with what I know of the Headmasters cartoon) if he's millions of years in the past and is still Soundwave by the time Prime rolls around?Same mold with a new head, new chest, new wheels, and a new weapon. Also, they're planning to release Ramhorn as one of the 2nd wave minions which already gets a big thumbs-up in my book. And now I'm fearing the likelihood of me buying Blaster and Ramhorn/Eject 2-pack, I don't even like Blaster but that'd make a great counterpoint to this Soundblaster figure.

The bio is as clumsy as it is stupid:

Restored to a fully functioning state by the loyalty of his minions and the arcane science of an alien world, SOUNDWAVE takes a new name to reflect his new lease on life. No longer content to simply manage electronic warfare for the DECEPTICONS, he charges into battle against the AUTOBOTS, using devastating sonic attacks to disable and disorient his enemies, so that his minions can finish them off. and then his techspec gives a 4/10 for courage. :rolleyes:
Anyway, it's clear that they're intending to sidestep the whole issue, perhaps this is a Soundwave of a future AFTER the war on Earth when he's reverted to his Cybertronian mode yet again, but do they say that? No.

Luckily, I can like the figure outside that very broken context.

Adam
02-18-2013, 09:24 PM
I assume that if he wanted to, Soundwave/Soundblaster could chose to revert back to that form if he went back to Cybertron for an extended stay. There is a precedent for it in the current comics anyway.

I found Blaster at the super-brand-new Wal-Mart that has unfortunately opened not very far from my home. He's definitely my favorite of the three. Headsculpt has this interesting ability to emote completely different ranges when viewed from different angles. Straight on he looks like he's grinning. On his left side he just looks angry. On the right side he is rather neutral. It's kinda neat. Steeljaw is mostly the same as Ravage which sadly means he is kinda junk.

The repaints in this line really do seem to be better off in general than the original chacater/decos they have been going with.

Sorry to hear that you do not like Grimlock JT. I find that he poses pretty well despite lacking some POA that I would prefer.

JetsAndHeels
02-19-2013, 11:11 AM
I found the Beast Hunter voyagers over the weekend. I like them both, but out of the two I like Optimus the most. I didn't really like the design when I first saw it online, but now that I have the figure in hand it is rather nice. They added the green star sabre also, which is a nice touch.

Predaking is cool if you are into dragon TF's, but if you can hold out for the bigger version that is coming later.

figrin bran
02-19-2013, 02:32 PM
I bought quite a lot lately and either have these in hand or will very soon.


Kre-o micro changers Hook, Rampage, Insecticon
Kre-o Superion and Devy

Cyber verse Smokescreen, Airachnid, Twinstrike, Predaking

Voyager Beast Hunters Predaking, Optimus
FOC Grimlock



I found the Beast Hunter voyagers over the weekend. I like them both, but out of the two I like Optimus the most. I didn't really like the design when I first saw it online, but now that I have the figure in hand it is rather nice. They added the green star sabre also, which is a nice touch.

Predaking is cool if you are into dragon TF's, but if you can hold out for the bigger version that is coming later.

I actually liked Predaking better. Didn't want to set aside space for the larger version especially if BH is only 13 episodes.
Originally I was going to pass on Optimus but seeing lots of photos with the wings won me over. Besides a Star Saber from. shape ways or anywhere else would have run around $20.

JediTricks
02-19-2013, 04:07 PM
Even knowing Frumble & Ravage was going to be a bad set, it couldn't quite prepare me for the mediocrity of owning these. They do fit in Soundblaster's chest and they do pop out, but only Buzzsaw is a satisfying experience, these 2 require additional transformation and they look bad once it's done, and they don't transform nicely, and there's fit & finish issues so Frumble jams up while ejecting and stresses every part of Soundblaster's plunger system. And as bad as Ravage is, it seems like they had the ability to make it work better just by locking the back into the rear hips and didn't bother getting that right.

Frumble & Ravage - grade: D.



I assume that if he wanted to, Soundwave/Soundblaster could chose to revert back to that form if he went back to Cybertron for an extended stay. There is a precedent for it in the current comics anyway.

I found Blaster at the super-brand-new Wal-Mart that has unfortunately opened not very far from my home. He's definitely my favorite of the three. Headsculpt has this interesting ability to emote completely different ranges when viewed from different angles. Straight on he looks like he's grinning. On his left side he just looks angry. On the right side he is rather neutral. It's kinda neat. Steeljaw is mostly the same as Ravage which sadly means he is kinda junk.

The repaints in this line really do seem to be better off in general than the original chacater/decos they have been going with.

Sorry to hear that you do not like Grimlock JT. I find that he poses pretty well despite lacking some POA that I would prefer.Soundblaster could revert back to Soundwave with a visit to Earl Scheib. "I'll paint any bot for just $29.95!" :p


Glad to hear you like Blaster, I noticed in photos his smirk is broad enough to convey those ranges, that's cool.

You are so right about Ravage being junk, holy crap.


As for Grimlock, his stubby arms and frustrating shoulder articulation make posing an unsatisfying experience for me, but he does take a few poses nicely if you work hard enough or settle. The legs so far every time have made me settle rather than fight harder, there's an oddity in the angles on the hip joints that leaves things wonky. And like you said, this figure could really have benefited from waist articulation.

Adam
02-19-2013, 11:04 PM
Some folks have received the Autobot disc sets from Hasbro Toy Shop, and I hear that Ramhorn may be the best of the discs and also has a complete auto-Transformation.

El Chuxter
02-20-2013, 12:07 AM
It would be kinda fitting if Ramhorn were the best, if only because he and Ravage were my favorites (and I already have the excellent Classics Ravage that came with Hound).

Wonder if there's any chance Hasbro will get to Overkill and Slugfest? I'd love to have updates of them. I skipped the Classics Overkill (even when I saw him at Marshalls) because he was a Grimlock repaint and would've looked silly, but that was before I had Masterpiece Grimlock for my "default" Grimlock, so there's no danger of them looking alike. Looks like he's not very cheap anymore.

Adam
02-21-2013, 02:44 AM
Kinda doubt there will be any more discs without any future figures for them to interact with. That assortment seems to be geared towards complementing another, like the upcoming target-master esque wave/s to go with Metroplex.

JediTricks
02-21-2013, 01:48 PM
Some folks have received the Autobot disc sets from Hasbro Toy Shop, and I hear that Ramhorn may be the best of the discs and also has a complete auto-Transformation.One more reason to get Blaster, I suppose.

JetsAndHeels
02-22-2013, 11:25 AM
JT, I highly recommend Blaster. I see that you got Soundblaster and like him, so get this one too. I love the head sculpt on this guy, plus the yellow/red paint really pops.

Adam
02-22-2013, 06:33 PM
Probably a good idea to pick him up on sight since he is short-packed. :worked_till_5am:

JediTricks
02-23-2013, 04:31 PM
JT, I highly recommend Blaster. I see that you got Soundblaster and like him, so get this one too. I love the head sculpt on this guy, plus the yellow/red paint really pops.


Probably a good idea to pick him up on sight since he is short-packed. :worked_till_5am:Thanks for the advice, both of you. I'm on the fence because I'm not a fan of the G1 character, but if I see him, I will pick him up and decide afterwards. If Ramhorn proves hard to get though, I'd be bummed.

JediTricks
02-27-2013, 09:14 PM
Immediately found Blaster and bought him. He's not quite as good as Soundblaster because I'm already used to this mold on that figure, and also the head is a tad confusing - they have silver paint on it, yet they painted the "goggles" visor red like the rest of the head's paint, which is only a look found in some of the Marvel comics, instead of silver like the original toy and the cartoon and IDW. Also, I don't love the chestpiece, it's flimsy and not that well painted, looks like a late addition to the party and doesn't secure well in alt mode. But overall it's a good figure and very consistent to the character - good size and color and mass, has the right electro-scrambler accessory. Plus, his alt mode wheels with their faux Autobot logo hubs can be folded out in bot mode to look like speakers.

Steeljaw has new sculpting from Ravage in the back panels and it causes him to be even more floppy and odd, but it also lets him be posed differently from Ravage. Now to get Eject and Ramhorn.

Darth Metalmute
02-28-2013, 07:50 AM
So like an idiot, I bought Grimlock even after reading your guys warnings/opinions of him. I figured, hey, it's still Grimlock... and I had a $10 coupon/giftcard. In robot mode, it's a decent figure. You can put him in great poses, and he looks game accurate, if not a tad generic. The joints are tight, which is good, but the legs are a little too tight. Transforming him is easy, but why bother. You start by transforming the head. The first line of steps give you hope, the head is a game accurate sculpt and the light up function is nice. Then it all goes downhill from there. The arm transformation into the legs is lazy and because of the empty hull, the legs wobble. It looks like T-Rex on ice. How is he going to pick himself up when he falls with those little front arms? The leg transformation into the tail is goofy, and way too wide. You have to force it too, which probably means a future break. With the wideness of the legs, and the emptyness/flatness of the body, its makes the dinosaur look like Big Momma from that Martin Lawrence movie. I don't understand why they didn't try to add a pivot to the legs in order to tuck one into his chest and use the other one for the tail. I gave up trying to make it stand decently and quickly changed it back into a robot.

My second mistake purchase was the data discs for Soundwave. First off, I like Ratbat. Good color scheme, nice head sculpt. I just wish the birds had some joints to make them perch. Ravage and Frenzy are just stupid. Generic to the core. They immediately were placed in Soundwaves chest. Ravage is too wide. I don't think it wouldn't have been too bad if they would have made the top part fold down to make him appear thinner. After playing with him a while to attempt to make him work, he ended up in Soundwaves chest too.

I did run into Blaster, but I passed. I was never a big Blaster fan and I'm quickly running out of display room at my office. I did like the G1 head sculpt, even if he had a goofy smirk on it.

Darth Metalmute
02-28-2013, 07:59 AM
Here a picture I took with Soundwave with Ratbat and Laserbeak "perched" on him.
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And here's one with Grimlock, Bruticus, and Soundwave being the pocket protection for the last three of the last four Bronco quarterbacks.
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Adam
02-28-2013, 08:20 PM
BBTS has preorders up for Springer and Blitzwing. The two together is a quite reasonable $22 a piece.

JediTricks
03-01-2013, 03:33 PM
Spotted dlx BH Starscream and Bulkhead at Target today. Such an easy pass, and so frustrating because it meant I had missed Smokescreen.


BBTS has preorders up for Springer and Blitzwing. The two together is a quite reasonable $22 a piece.I saw that, $22.50 a piece for the set, I ordered it through SSG's sponsor link on the front page. The shipping is $9.29, but I figure since they don't charge tax and that's a buck less than Target and TRU pricing between the 2, so that brings it down with shipping to only $4 more total than I'd be paying between them, and with gas as pricey as it is that's the equivalent of about 10 miles per figure driving which I'd more than likely do anyway in the hunt.


So like an idiot, I bought Grimlock even after reading your guys warnings/opinions of him. I figured, hey, it's still Grimlock... and I had a $10 coupon/giftcard. In robot mode, it's a decent figure. You can put him in great poses, and he looks game accurate, if not a tad generic. The joints are tight, which is good, but the legs are a little too tight. Transforming him is easy, but why bother. You start by transforming the head. The first line of steps give you hope, the head is a game accurate sculpt and the light up function is nice. Then it all goes downhill from there. The arm transformation into the legs is lazy and because of the empty hull, the legs wobble. It looks like T-Rex on ice. How is he going to pick himself up when he falls with those little front arms? The leg transformation into the tail is goofy, and way too wide. You have to force it too, which probably means a future break. With the wideness of the legs, and the emptyness/flatness of the body, its makes the dinosaur look like Big Momma from that Martin Lawrence movie. I don't understand why they didn't try to add a pivot to the legs in order to tuck one into his chest and use the other one for the tail. I gave up trying to make it stand decently and quickly changed it back into a robot.

My second mistake purchase was the data discs for Soundwave. First off, I like Ratbat. Good color scheme, nice head sculpt. I just wish the birds had some joints to make them perch. Ravage and Frenzy are just stupid. Generic to the core. They immediately were placed in Soundwaves chest. Ravage is too wide. I don't think it wouldn't have been too bad if they would have made the top part fold down to make him appear thinner. After playing with him a while to attempt to make him work, he ended up in Soundwaves chest too.

I did run into Blaster, but I passed. I was never a big Blaster fan and I'm quickly running out of display room at my office. I did like the G1 head sculpt, even if he had a goofy smirk on it.Sorry to hear you're frustrated. It is an ok figure in robot mode if you can overlook the hollowness, the leg joints are frustrating because the knees are way tighter than the transformation joints - if you think about keeping the tail/shins clicked in then it's not hard to pose, but it's not pleasant either.

Ooh, yeah, the disk minions really are a hard purchase coming off of Grimlock. Feet would have been nice, I know the Bakugan team could have pulled it off too.

Chaddymac
03-01-2013, 04:01 PM
Sorry to hear you're frustrated. It is an ok figure in robot mode if you can overlook the hollowness, the leg joints are frustrating because the knees are way tighter than the transformation joints - if you think about keeping the tail/shins clicked in then it's not hard to pose, but it's not pleasant either.

Ooh, yeah, the disk minions really are a hard purchase coming off of Grimlock. Feet would have been nice, I know the Bakugan team could have pulled it off too.

If you consider these as the new normal for TF Figures, Grimlock isn't AWFUL, he's just not very good and we would have gotten better had he been produced using quality levels from a few years ago. And he's overly expensive given his draw backs. But he's a good toy in each mode. That light is crazy bright. Maybe my expectations are low because you guys all hate him so much, but I don't regret picking him up.

JediTricks
03-02-2013, 04:08 PM
If you consider these as the new normal for TF Figures, Grimlock isn't AWFUL, he's just not very good and we would have gotten better had he been produced using quality levels from a few years ago. And he's overly expensive given his draw backs. But he's a good toy in each mode. That light is crazy bright. Maybe my expectations are low because you guys all hate him so much, but I don't regret picking him up.I am going to disagree on that first part, Grimlock is from the same team that brought us that Soundwave mold, and I'll even consider it up against the FOC and Prime figures. I'm glad you enjoy the figure, but I'm surprised to hear you call it a good toy in either mode - it's a good-looking articulated statue in robot mode, and a bad statue all around in dino mode with a single good feature (the light in the mouth).

Chaddymac
03-02-2013, 05:19 PM
Well, that's what G1 was, so I guess I feel like I had a lot of fun with those figs and I consider those solid toys. But you are also right.

JediTricks
03-02-2013, 11:00 PM
Well, that's what G1 was, so I guess I feel like I had a lot of fun with those figs and I consider those solid toys. But you are also right.G1's excuse was that was all they could do with the technology 30+ years ago, and even then they constantly were looking at ways of improving product. G1 Grimlock dino mode has more articulation than FOC Grimlock's dino mode and it's from 28 years back when the line was all bricky.


Oh, I see I need to make a correction, I said "and I'll even consider it up against the FOC and Prime figures" and what I meant was "and I'll even consider it up against the FOC and Prime DELUXE figures".

El Chuxter
03-02-2013, 11:19 PM
Actually, with a lot of the old G1 stuff, you're talking about 40 years old, aren't you? A lot of it was older Diaclone and Microman stuff from Japan; I don't know the exact age, but I'm guessing it wasn't repurposed and imported the week after those lines hit shelves.

JediTricks
03-03-2013, 03:20 PM
Actually, with a lot of the old G1 stuff, you're talking about 40 years old, aren't you? A lot of it was older Diaclone and Microman stuff from Japan; I don't know the exact age, but I'm guessing it wasn't repurposed and imported the week after those lines hit shelves.The oldest copyrights on G1 product is 1979 copyrights for Diaclone product released in 1980.

EDIT: Actually, looking at Sunstreaker, the oldest Diaclone product in the G1 line, it's wearing a 1980 and a 1984 copyright stamp in the plastic.

figrin bran
03-03-2013, 06:43 PM
I have TFP BH Smokescreen and Ripclaw now along with Kreo Bludgeon to complete the wave 1 mini figure set.

I haven't weighed in on FOC Grimlock yet. It's probably the weakest Voyager I've bought in some time...even TFP Optimus, Bulkhead and Megatron are better than him. Since Grimlock in the IDW TFP comics shares this design, at least he can be displayed with TFP characters. FOC Kickback isn't looking so bad now ;)

El Chuxter
03-03-2013, 08:07 PM
That sorta reminds me: The designs of these FOC characters aren't consistent with Prime. And neither is at all consistent with Rescue Heroes. Yet these are all supposed to be the same universe.

How does that work?

Chaddymac
03-03-2013, 08:33 PM
That sorta reminds me: The designs of these FOC characters aren't consistent with Prime. And neither is at all consistent with Rescue Heroes. Yet these are all supposed to be the same universe.

How does that work?
Wait, what? Rescue Heroes is included? That's nutty.

El Chuxter
03-03-2013, 10:12 PM
I was confusing Rescue Heroes and Rescue Bots, but that's what the Wikia (http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Transformers:_Rescue_Bots_%28cartoon%29) says:

Jeff Kline stated that Rescue Bots and Prime occupy the same continuity, and do so because he felt two Transformers shows on the same network should share the same mythology. This is why Rescue Bots takes place on an island, so that it can exist in a relatively insulated bubble from the more dangerous plot elements of the older-skewing Prime.
Yeah, reconciling The Force Unleashed and Clone Wars with the previous EU might be less of a headache.

figrin bran
03-04-2013, 02:40 PM
The following of my recent acquisitions have all been in the outstanding A to A- to B+ range

Legion Airachnid and Twinstrike
Voyager Predaking
Deluxe Ripclaw and Smokescreen
Kreo Superion and Devastator

Beast Hunters isn't so bad after all ;)

Tycho
03-04-2013, 04:04 PM
I finally got 2 Deluxe Mercedes Soundwave DOTM figures from the orient for under $30 each - shipped.

I had to make some deals. But I can't wait to get them.

In stores, I'll be looking at Springer whenever he comes out.

JediTricks
03-04-2013, 04:30 PM
Hasbro official looks at MP Acid Storm and Soundwave & Crew:

http://www.tfviews.com/news/toysandcollectibles/1594

Soundwave's eyes are hypnotizing! Acid Storm's digital camo is an interesting MP solution to that look, but poorly timed as the military is phasing digital camo out as apparently it's stupid and doesn't work.

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Got me Smokescreen at Target today. This figure is very interesting, it's like they said "you know how every figure we've done up until this point has been disappointing and cheap and low on parts and paint? Yeah, let's go the other way with this one, but just this one figure, that'll mess with their heads."

First things you should know when you get one though, the packaged robot mode is mistransformed in the chest/shoulders/wings so he's floppy off the tray when he's not in proper transformation. Also, the instructions about the arms turning into the roof are WRONG and IMPOSSIBLE because they have one half go up first then the other -- but it'd have to pass THROUGH the halves use a deep tab that would snap right the hell off if you did this, and the shoulder joints would likely snap off in the next move if they didn't -- so I strongly suggest snapping the roof halves together before fitting them to the windows. This section is fiddly, so make sure you figure out what works best for you, there's tabs on both sides and not everybody will have great success here without care.

This figure is quite articulated, very painted, sports a ton of movable parts from a complex transformation, and 2 different colors of translucent plastic. He doesn't sport Autobot faction sigils though or red on his crest, and his eyes are yellow, and his lower legs have a ton of paint that looks nice but isn't character-accurate, all of which is a touch odd. It's weirdest that they left out the crest considering there's a blue paint mask at work there already.

Anyway, robot mode is good, kibbly yes but largely it holds up to the character on the show, and it isn't gappy or weird. When transformed properly, the figure is fairly solid and poses like a champ thanks to solid leg articulation and big feet - he can't do 1-legged poses though because of the angle of said feet. The facade chest doesn't quite sell the "modern G1 carbot" look as well as the show, but it does hold the show's overall look. 5mm pegholes in each hand, the side of the lowest point of each heelspur, and the underside of the right forearm kibble.

Articulation is swivel head, shrug-hinge shoulders, ball-jointed shoulders, swivel lower biceps, ratchet-hinged elbows, swivel waist, ball-swivel hips, hinged knees, and hinged ankles. Also, the shoulder armor kibble is on its own hinge to get out of the way. The back wings are not intended to move, they help lock the mid-torso into place when transformed properly. The figure stands half a head shorter than the Vehicon.

Transformation to bot mode is very interesting, there's a lot going on and most of it is fun. Going back to vehicle mode though, that's wehre trouble really lies, the last quarter bit with the cockpit roof is a mess thanks to instructions that ignore the impossibility of getting the left cockpit section swinging into place and also just not making clear that the shoulder and arm positions have to be in exactly the right angle to get into place - that stuff is a bummer until you figure out why things have to be where and when. There's a lot of tabs and a lot of panel massaging to go with that, but the payoff is so good that it's almost worth the annoyance.

Vehicle mode is stunning, the lines sculpted here are nicer than the CGI version, this may be my all-time favorite Transformers car ever. It's a racecar somewhere along the lines of the Porsche GT in race spec, maybe a touch of the Nissan GTR GT500 racer and a hint of the Corvette. It's low, wide, lean, and has just the right amount of detail for a race car - including the low, large spoiler, and the thick intakes on the extra wide rear fenders... even the rear wheels in those fenders are wide, and there are sculpted brake calipers. They also balanced out the teardrop of the cockpit so it's not as front-heavy leaving it more sleek. Ground clearance is minimal but evenly so, suggesting a real race car, and the wheels are back to being classic metal pin into the hub so they roll nicely. 5mm holes are found in the center of the roof and on either side of the spoiler. The vehicle mode is slightly wider and longer than the Vehicon and a touch lower, without factoring the spoilers of either into the mix.

Paint is a different balance than bot mode, a lot of blue from the main stripe and the rear fender swoops, and the windows are purple translucent. The doors sport the red and blue swoop but instead of the checkered flag look there's just a white with red outline "38". The wheels are cast in black, no silver. Oddly, the headlamps are covered by a yellow window each instead of clear.

It's not all love though, while there are painted translucent elements they left the intakes behind the side windows unpainted, and they didn't paint in the rear window at all although it is framed by the blue stripe. There's no tail light paint, although racers often don't bother here. Annoyingly for me, the headlamp windows are not the same shade of yellow on mine.

The shadow quill armor is a blue rubbery piece that snaps over the front half of the vehicle and tabs into slots in the doors, it actually looks pretty good for what it's trying to be and it has good sculpted detail and cut-aways to show some of the front of the car through; it also has a clip on either side to hold the included missile (this would look better had it come with 3 missiles though, one in the gun and one on either side of the car). The armor in bot mode is less useful, it has to be bent to sit properly on the shoulder tabs and snaps onto pegs on the hips, and all it does is give him a narrow vest and a pointy bumper behind his head, it's not really worth using in bot mode.

The Electronet launcher is 3 parts - gun, missile, and electronet generator. The gun is a simple spring-loaded black pistol, a little sculpted detail but not much going on. The missile has industrial holes cut into 2 of the 4 fins at the nose, when fired it gets mixed results due to a tiny bit of flashing - sometimes it fires hard about 3 feet, others it dribbles out. The electronet generator is more rubbery blue plastic, the missile slips through the middle of it to load the whole affair into the pistol and sorta reminds me of a Kenner Batman figure's accessory, it doesn't look terrible thanks to a decent amount of sculpted detail, but it can't fire for crap even on its best day. The whole electronet affair put together can sit on top of the car, facing forward it looks stupid (since how much blue rubbery crap does this guy need on the front half of the car?) but if you rotate it backwards it balances the look out better (like another spoiler, or a shield for the engine) to the point where it's not embarrassing to use.

Overall, I like this figure but I can see it frustrating some folks real badly with the stuff that doesn't work. I'm giving it a strong B and I really like it a lot for what it's got going for it.




I haven't weighed in on FOC Grimlock yet. It's probably the weakest Voyager I've bought in some time...even TFP Optimus, Bulkhead and Megatron are better than him. Since Grimlock in the IDW TFP comics shares this design, at least he can be displayed with TFP characters. FOC Kickback isn't looking so bad now ;)Thanks for the info, I don't have any TFP voyagers other than Megatron and it's frustrating that Grimlock isn't as good as that. On the comics, is that only Rage of the Dinobots and FOC comics, or is it now in the other titles as well?


That sorta reminds me: The designs of these FOC characters aren't consistent with Prime. And neither is at all consistent with Rescue Heroes. Yet these are all supposed to be the same universe.

How does that work?


I was confusing Rescue Heroes and Rescue Bots, but that's what the Wikia (http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Transformers:_Rescue_Bots_%28cartoon%29) says:

Yeah, reconciling The Force Unleashed and Clone Wars with the previous EU might be less of a headache.This is a loose continuity, the essentials of the stories are meant to roughly flow together, the big stuff, but the little stuff they leave up to artistic license for each iteration of the brand. How Rescue Bots fits with Prime though, I cannot imagine. Also that isn't the Wikia one you've linked to, that's TFwiki.net. The Wikia site (http://transformers.wikia.com) sucks and steals from the privately-owned www.TFwiki.net (http://www.TFwiki.net) . The Wikia one is only good for when TFwiki.net is down.

JediTricks
03-04-2013, 06:22 PM
Another quick note on Smokescreen:

it appears the electronet projector that slides over the missile is designed to fold its ends together to make an envelope-type shape, I guess to trap the tiniest minicons or something, one end has a notch and the other has a corresponding tab shaped to fit through it. It doesn't look good on the car mode, but in bot mode it looks much more reasonable than trying to wield a super-wide projectile around.

Darth Metalmute
03-04-2013, 06:54 PM
I saw Smokescreen the other day but didn't get him. I was afraid that stupid blue armor wouldn't come off.

JediTricks
03-04-2013, 07:10 PM
So I'm talking to a buddy about Grimlock, he said he saw it finally at the store and it looked bad enough that he passed, but he didn't know it was hollow. So I get mine out to help me describe, and inside the chest I see that there are 2 light pipe sections that are supposed to line up with 2 lower slits in the figure's chest, but it was designed wrong so they LIGHT UP NOTHING. They stay hidden behind the gold plastic. Super pro.


I saw Smokescreen the other day but didn't get him. I was afraid that stupid blue armor wouldn't come off.It's like a car bra, it comes right off, it's rubbery. If you see him again, he's probably worth getting unless you don't like fiddly figures.


Oh, and another odd deco thing about the left hood, not only is the lens over the headlights darker yellow than the right hood half, but the blue stripe is painted further down the nose where the right side's stripe starts a millimeter above the nose intake housing.

El Chuxter
03-04-2013, 07:21 PM
My bad. I didn't know the distinction (aside from the one, which I guess is the actual Wikia, sucks).

Tycho
03-04-2013, 11:47 PM
How do you guys feel about Hasbro / TF4 writer(s) creating all new characters - mostly for the Decepticon leadership I'd imagine?

Could they be cool, or must Galvatron arrive and be created from Megatron for you to like it?

In other words, could something new be cool?

figrin bran
03-05-2013, 11:12 AM
JT, "favorite car transformer" over the likes of Generations Drift, Blurr, Tracks, Wheeljack and it's still just a B? ;)

Interestingly the Cyberverse Smokescreen got a few details right that the Deluxe does not - checkered flags on the doors, Autobot symbol on the hood and blue eyes as opposed to yellow.

And on the Deluxe, all the tabbing can be troublesome but at least not on the levels of trouble that come with DOTM Leader Sentinel and ROTF Leader Optimus.

Chaddymac
03-05-2013, 11:47 AM
So I'm talking to a buddy about Grimlock, he said he saw it finally at the store and it looked bad enough that he passed, but he didn't know it was hollow. So I get mine out to help me describe, and inside the chest I see that there are 2 light pipe sections that are supposed to line up with 2 lower slits in the figure's chest, but it was designed wrong so they LIGHT UP NOTHING. They stay hidden behind the gold plastic. Super pro.

Are you talking about in robot mode?

Tycho
03-05-2013, 12:26 PM
I can't wait for the triple-changer Voyagers Springer and Blitzwing!

Those are my next Transformers purchases.

JediTricks
03-05-2013, 04:04 PM
JT, "favorite car transformer" over the likes of Generations Drift, Blurr, Tracks, Wheeljack and it's still just a B? ;)Favorite car in the transformers line, the bot mode has a few small issues and the transformation with the arms is just too much to give a higher rating. Wheeljack's not as nice a car, but he's not a miserable pain in the tailpipe to transform either. Still, the car mode is so very gorgeous.


Interestingly the Cyberverse Smokescreen got a few details right that the Deluxe does not - checkered flags on the doors, Autobot symbol on the hood and blue eyes as opposed to yellow. I noticed that about the Legion Smokescreen's checkered flag detail, but since I don't even like it on the CGI character, it didn't sway me.


And on the Deluxe, all the tabbing can be troublesome but at least not on the levels of trouble that come with DOTM Leader Sentinel and ROTF Leader Optimus.I dunno about Sentinel, but Optimus' troubles are with bigger parts tabbing together and stronger joints.



Are you talking about in robot mode?Yeah, but I'll show you what I mean too:

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Look at how much red plastic is on the tree that leads to nowhere, someone didn't do their job correctly by miscalculating how much shrinkage there'd be on that section. C'mon, this figure already has enough drawbacks without that!

Chaddymac
03-05-2013, 04:44 PM
Favorite car in the transformers line, the bot mode has a few small issues and the transformation with the arms is just too much to give a higher rating. Wheeljack's not as nice a car, but he's not a miserable pain in the tailpipe to transform either. Still, the car mode is so very gorgeous.

I noticed that about the Legion Smokescreen's checkered flag detail, but since I don't even like it on the CGI character, it didn't sway me.

I dunno about Sentinel, but Optimus' troubles are with bigger parts tabbing together and stronger joints.


Yeah, but I'll show you what I mean too:

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Look at how much red plastic is on the tree that leads to nowhere, someone didn't do their job correctly by miscalculating how much shrinkage there'd be on that section. C'mon, this figure already has enough drawbacks without that!

I'm still not really following. I guess I'll have to compare to my figure at home.

JediTricks
03-05-2013, 05:56 PM
I'm still not really following. I guess I'll have to compare to my figure at home.Really? The second image should tell you everything. The clear red tabs are supposed to sit inside the holes, fill them in like a window the way the rest of the piece does in the other areas - chest, waist, and shoulders - but instead those 2 parts are too short so they don't fill in the holes and are just sitting behind the solid, opaque chest.

JetsAndHeels
03-06-2013, 08:54 AM
I got Smokescreen yesterday. I think he's an awesome figure, but I can see how the finicky arm-to-car roof transformation sequence would turn off some folks. For me personally I like it. It feels pretty solid and looks sharp.

figrin bran
03-06-2013, 08:11 PM
FOC Blaster and Grimlock at Marshall's for only 6.99 each?? Could it actually be true?

El Chuxter
03-06-2013, 11:19 PM
Given how much I paid, you'd better be effin' kidding me.

figrin bran
03-06-2013, 11:45 PM
I did see one photograph of both with Marshall's price tags.

JediTricks
03-07-2013, 03:04 PM
FOC Blaster and Grimlock at Marshall's for only 6.99 each?? Could it actually be true?I doubt this, TJ Maxx and Marshalls charges that for deluxes, and $12.99 for Voyagers. Also, they're part of an ongoing series - Generations, Voyagers - so there's no reason for anybody to be liquidating their orders. My guess is the photo is a fake, but I could be wrong, weirder stuff has happened.

Tycho
03-16-2013, 01:18 AM
I got my DOTM Soundwave deluxe figures from the Orient. I bargained for a great price through e-mail.

They came fast - like in 5 days or something.

I haven't had time to open them but will do so on a slow day (if I ever have one).

But he looks cool in the package.

JediTricks
03-17-2013, 02:02 PM
Got Blaster minions Eject and Ramhorn thanks to help from Chaddy.

Eject is mostly a retool of Frumble, only pieces that aren't different are the shoulders and hips. Everything else is new and looks better, nicer sculpts with a little more detail and better colors. Otherwise though, same figure as Frumble.

Ramhorn is really cool, definitely the best of the data disk minions. Disk mode is pretty crappy looking from the sides but looks the same from the front. When the button is pressed, it transforms into a rhino all by itself on 4 legs, including the spring-forward head with ramming horn, and the spring out tail. The limbs have sculpted suggestions of his weapons as well. And he's the only one whose alt mode design allows for transformation upon ejection from Blaster so he's already transformed by the time he hits the table.

Chaddymac
03-17-2013, 02:08 PM
Got Blaster minions Eject and Ramhorn thanks to help from Chaddy.


Ramhorn is really cool, definitely the best of the data disk minions. Disk mode is pretty crappy looking from the sides but looks the same from the front. When the button is pressed, it transforms into a rhino all by itself on 4 legs, including the spring-forward head with ramming horn, and the spring out tail. The limbs have sculpted suggestions of his weapons as well. And he's the only one whose alt mode design allows for transformation upon ejection from Blaster so he's already transformed by the time he hits the table.

You're welcome! By the way, Sundor ALSO does a really great job of transforming on eject. I'd rank them Ramhorn, Sundor, and then Ratbat. The rest just suck ;)

JediTricks
03-17-2013, 04:39 PM
I have Buzzsaw, same mold as Sunder, it ejects and transforms well, but it barely has to do anything since they didn't include legs (the Bakugan designers would have included legs, lazy Hasbro). I agree that Ramhorn, Buzzsaw mold, then the others all suck to varying degrees but Steeljaw is easily the worst of the lot.

Adam
03-18-2013, 08:03 PM
BH deluxes are on sale for $10 at Target this week, so I bought Starscream because, I don't know? I guess I like to torture myself. Actually, he's pretty alright. If it wasn't for that weird choice of lavender on him, he would make a pretty acceptable Starscream. Wacky alt-mode design aside anyway. My long term plan is to paint over those lavender parts, and tweek his colors so he's not so Prime Starscreamy. I can always use more Decepticons. His claw weapon thing is fine, but too big for him. Can't really pose with it well. I have plenty of spare microns from the AM line so I guess I'll be donating one to him. I think most of my Hasbro Prime figures have gained a micron at this point anyway.

El Chuxter
03-19-2013, 04:31 PM
Opened a few more while "cleaning" yesterday. ;)

Blaster: I can't complain about him. He's light years beyond the other "Classics" Blaster we got. Not sure how much retooling was done from Soundwave/Soundblaster, but it's a solid sculpt. The arms could use a little work. Still good enough that I might get a Soundblaster to have one in vehicle mode as well. The gimmick is a little stupid, though. A-

Steeljaw: God, this is a turd. It's like they thought, "Man, Blaster is so much cooler than Grimlock. We need to put something in there that sucks so he averages out to be like Grimlock." Gappy, lacking detail, and unable to stay in position well. Most frustrating, it looks like the back should snap into his hindquarters, but it's impossible to do. If this were in a dollar store, I'd be less surprised--but he'd still be a ripoff. F

GDO Powerdive: I got him because, like Lugnut a year or so ago, he's a good "generic" to fill in my Decepticons, and looked good in the package. (And, at least Powerdive has a G2 pedigree, making him "canon.") Unfortunately, I couldn't see how insanely short his arms are until I took him out of the box. Okay, I guess they're technically not short, but they look it. Which is a major disappointment; aside from the arms, he's a solid enough robot. Alt mode is okay, but the paint was too wonky for me to consider displaying him in that position. B-

JediTricks
03-19-2013, 07:50 PM
BH deluxes are on sale for $10 at Target this week, so I bought Starscream because, I don't know? I guess I like to torture myself. Actually, he's pretty alright. If it wasn't for that weird choice of lavender on him, he would make a pretty acceptable Starscream. Wacky alt-mode design aside anyway. My long term plan is to paint over those lavender parts, and tweek his colors so he's not so Prime Starscreamy. I can always use more Decepticons. His claw weapon thing is fine, but too big for him. Can't really pose with it well. I have plenty of spare microns from the AM line so I guess I'll be donating one to him. I think most of my Hasbro Prime figures have gained a micron at this point anyway.Thanks for the 411 on the sale. Had I gone out yesterday with my Smokescreen receipt, I would have had an easy time getting that $8.59 back, but today was 1 day over the 14-day Target adjustment limit, so I had to buy a different BH deluxe and return it using the $18.59 receipt (that was on their advice no less!), and that store didn't have any left so I had to go to a second store to make that happen.

I technically bought Starscream, but went right from register to return desk. ;)

How are the Microns? I don't have any as I'm not importing anything right now, but those are pretty tempting.



Opened a few more while "cleaning" yesterday. ;)

Blaster: I can't complain about him. He's light years beyond the other "Classics" Blaster we got. Not sure how much retooling was done from Soundwave/Soundblaster, but it's a solid sculpt. The arms could use a little work. Still good enough that I might get a Soundblaster to have one in vehicle mode as well. The gimmick is a little stupid, though. A-Glad you kept and dig him. Blaster's only remolds are head, wheels, and chest facade, and weapon of course.

Steeljaw: God, this is a turd. It's like they thought, "Man, Blaster is so much cooler than Grimlock. We need to put something in there that sucks so he averages out to be like Grimlock." Gappy, lacking detail, and unable to stay in position well. Most frustrating, it looks like the back should snap into his hindquarters, but it's impossible to do. If this were in a dollar store, I'd be less surprised--but he'd still be a ripoff. FThere should be a lower rating than F for this figure. I'm guessing you don't have Ravage, he's an F and Steeljaw is WORSE slightly thanks to the color and remolded parts on the back.

GDO Powerdive: I got him because, like Lugnut a year or so ago, he's a good "generic" to fill in my Decepticons, and looked good in the package. (And, at least Powerdive has a G2 pedigree, making him "canon.") Unfortunately, I couldn't see how insanely short his arms are until I took him out of the box. Okay, I guess they're technically not short, but they look it. Which is a major disappointment; aside from the arms, he's a solid enough robot. Alt mode is okay, but the paint was too wonky for me to consider displaying him in that position. B-Sorry to hear that, I have the original and the arms are frustrating, just never occurred to me to be frustrated with their LENGTH. Ok, now I know why, I just got my Highbrow and transformed him (he's hard to remember because of his odd transformation), and when I transform him I bend his forearms forward about 30 degrees which adds maybe half an inch of arm length and put the fists in line with the rest of the arm instead of way outside that. Still, overall ranking is alright.

If they had given the alt mode a more drastic color instead of military green, I think I would have bought Powerdive to go with Highbrow. Actually, maybe if I see him again I'll buy him anyway, his new head looks good and also has the movable helmet the way Highbrow does.

Adam
03-19-2013, 09:19 PM
I technically bought Starscream, but went right from register to return desk. ;)

You know, I'm actually considering returning it. Thinking about it, I've rarely followed through on my repaint ideas in the past, so it's probably a waste of money despite the mold being decent.





How are the Microns? I don't have any as I'm not importing anything right now, but those are pretty tempting.

I'm probably not the best person to ask for a balanced opinion, because I have become a micron addict. Why no, I did not buy a lucky draw version of Hades, the Ratbat guy from Darkness Megatron. That did not happen. (It totally happened.)

Anyway, attempting to be objective, they range from mediocre to pretty cool. The micron that comes with Wildrider (who is also probably the best looking figure unique to the Arms Micron line) is probably my favorite. It turns from an elephant to a pretty convincing grenade launcher. Others are not as successful, such as Wheeljack awkward looking sword. The Autobot versions tend to be boring in their bot modes, but generally have pretty good to acceptable weapon modes. The Decepticon versions come off better since the animal alt modes are a bit more visually interesting. Speaking of cons, both versions of the combiner sword are pretty great, and do not suffer from the connection issues that the Armada Star Saber had. On the other side, the combiner shield from the single pack microns is a pretty cool match with BH Voyager Prime. The red and blues being a close, if not exact match from figure to shield.

It was an interesting take on the minicon gimmick, and I'm kinda sad to see it going away.

El Chuxter
03-19-2013, 11:31 PM
There should be a lower rating than F for this figure. I'm guessing you don't have Ravage, he's an F and Steeljaw is WORSE slightly thanks to the color and remolded parts on the back.
Oh, no, no, no. I ain't paying five bucks each for things that are obvious crap. :) Steeljaw was essentially a freebie; I can live with him. I might get Ramhorn if I see him, since I have this weird love for the character and you said he's the one cassette who doesn't blow goats, but I won't lose sleep if I don't.

Darth Metalmute
03-20-2013, 09:49 PM
I found FOC Starscream today. It looked like a nice sculpt so I bought him. However upon taking another look at him, it appears that he has a hollow chest much like Grimlock. I haven't made a decision on whether or not to return him yet. As I like the robot mode, I might just hang onto him.

JediTricks
03-21-2013, 02:52 PM
You know, I'm actually considering returning it. Thinking about it, I've rarely followed through on my repaint ideas in the past, so it's probably a waste of money despite the mold being decent.Can't do worse than the paint that's already on it, that's the fugliest Starscream I can remember in terms of deco. And ten bucks.


I'm probably not the best person to ask for a balanced opinion, because I have become a micron addict. Why no, I did not buy a lucky draw version of Hades, the Ratbat guy from Darkness Megatron. That did not happen. (It totally happened.)

Anyway, attempting to be objective, they range from mediocre to pretty cool. The micron that comes with Wildrider (who is also probably the best looking figure unique to the Arms Micron line) is probably my favorite. It turns from an elephant to a pretty convincing grenade launcher. Others are not as successful, such as Wheeljack awkward looking sword. The Autobot versions tend to be boring in their bot modes, but generally have pretty good to acceptable weapon modes. The Decepticon versions come off better since the animal alt modes are a bit more visually interesting. Speaking of cons, both versions of the combiner sword are pretty great, and do not suffer from the connection issues that the Armada Star Saber had. On the other side, the combiner shield from the single pack microns is a pretty cool match with BH Voyager Prime. The red and blues being a close, if not exact match from figure to shield.

It was an interesting take on the minicon gimmick, and I'm kinda sad to see it going away.Oh, yeah, you are a bit biased. I liked minicons, especially the ones that turned into vehicles AND weapons. I'll have to keep a lookout for cheap Microns then.


Oh, no, no, no. I ain't paying five bucks each for things that are obvious crap. :) Steeljaw was essentially a freebie; I can live with him. I might get Ramhorn if I see him, since I have this weird love for the character and you said he's the one cassette who doesn't blow goats, but I won't lose sleep if I don't.Ramhorn & Eject are worth buying to go with Blaster, Eject is an adequate mold and Ramhorn is quite cool. Steeljaw is so bad it's actually bringing Blaster down.


I found FOC Starscream today. It looked like a nice sculpt so I bought him. However upon taking another look at him, it appears that he has a hollow chest much like Grimlock. I haven't made a decision on whether or not to return him yet. As I like the robot mode, I might just hang onto him.Starscream's chest isn't hollow, his back is a big empty box but he's got a sculpted lower spine inside so it's not a total ripoff like Grimlock, there's an attempt to make it look like a whole robot plus a big empty box on the back, if you removed the box you'd still have a passable robot (with no arms, becuase they're connected to the box, but they could be fictionally connected to the collar instead and then it'd still work). I can see not wanting to get burned, but I personally don't feel burned by Starscream the same way I do with Grimlock.


Speaking of FOC Grimlock, his dino arms can hold his sword above the grip, I dunno if they intended it this way or it was just an accident, but it gives him passable sword storage in robot mode.

Darth Metalmute
03-21-2013, 08:22 PM
Starscream's chest isn't hollow, his back is a big empty box but he's got a sculpted lower spine inside so it's not a total ripoff like Grimlock, there's an attempt to make it look like a whole robot plus a big empty box on the back, if you removed the box you'd still have a passable robot (with no arms, becuase they're connected to the box, but they could be fictionally connected to the collar instead and then it'd still work). I can see not wanting to get burned, but I personally don't feel burned by Starscream the same way I do with Grimlock.

Yeah, I meant hollow insides, but typed the wrong thing. I decided to keep him as I liked the robot mode to well. His upper body is a great representation of the game, however, I do not care for his legs.The reminded me of the Kenner a new hope Leia;
bulky. Transformation is odd. Following the instructions, I never thought I would end up with a ship and it seemed wobbley. But then you connect the legs and voila, nice looking ship. I do wish the head would have been hidden better though.

Adam
03-21-2013, 09:38 PM
I guess I should add: The biggest negative on the microns mentioned above are the stickers. They are extremely hit and miss in terms of the cut of the sticker matching the part, or peeling on curved surfaces.

JediTricks
03-22-2013, 03:33 PM
Yeah, I meant hollow insides, but typed the wrong thing. I decided to keep him as I liked the robot mode to well. His upper body is a great representation of the game, however, I do not care for his legs.The reminded me of the Kenner a new hope Leia;
bulky. Transformation is odd. Following the instructions, I never thought I would end up with a ship and it seemed wobbley. But then you connect the legs and voila, nice looking ship. I do wish the head would have been hidden better though.Ah, ok, that makes more sense. Glad to hear you like him enough to keep.

I do agree with you on the legs, they're bulky and sculpted very simply.

I felt the same way about the transformation the first time, and you are so right about the head just flopping down, looks not great.


I guess I should add: The biggest negative on the microns mentioned above are the stickers. They are extremely hit and miss in terms of the cut of the sticker matching the part, or peeling on curved surfaces.Yeah, I just saw that, I haaaaate stickers so that'd drive me crazy. Takara needs to get away from that sticker thing, I know they're saving a lot on paint apps but they've got to be eating it on sales from looking so bad.

figrin bran
03-22-2013, 04:19 PM
If I can find Ramhorn at Target today or tomorrow, I'll purchase but if not, it's not a big deal.

I did open up Blaster and found Steeljaw to be every bit as underwhelming as has been discussed.

Beast Hunters premieres tonight!

Darth Metalmute
03-23-2013, 11:29 AM
I picked up Air Raid yesterday. I've seen him before but passed on him because he was just a Shockwave clone. This time I picked him up and actually looked at him. I saw that it still looked like Shockwave gun was needed but yet wasn't included. I basically picked him up because I wanted to see how they did it. I was presently surprised with the transformation; very neat gimmick. I really like him.

I did see Kickback for the first time but passed on him due to comments on this board.

figrin bran
03-25-2013, 10:21 AM
Beast Hunters Voyager Shockwave is up on HTS!

On the final day of Target's TF sale, I bought Ramhorn along with Cyberverse Trailcutter and Hardshell. Hardshell was a huge mistake and FOC Kickback is golden by comparison. I also picked up Deluxe BH Starscream and Bulkhead but those are price adjustment fodder.

JediTricks
03-25-2013, 05:22 PM
Beast Hunters Voyager Shockwave is up on HTS!The $8 of shipping kills my enthusiasm, unfortunately, so I'm passing unless anybody wants to go halvsies and get the free shipping.


On the final day of Target's TF sale, I bought Ramhorn along with Cyberverse Trailcutter and Hardshell. Hardshell was a huge mistake and FOC Kickback is golden by comparison. I also picked up Deluxe BH Starscream and Bulkhead but those are price adjustment fodder.Oh my goodness, that's really shocking to hear that Hardshell's that bad.

figrin bran
03-25-2013, 06:32 PM
The $8 of shipping kills my enthusiasm, unfortunately, so I'm passing unless anybody wants to go halvsies and get the free shipping.

Oh my goodness, that's really shocking to hear that Hardshell's that bad.

I still had a $10 coupon from HTS that will expire in a week so I decided to use it on Shockwave and cyber verse Soundwave.

JediTricks
03-25-2013, 06:46 PM
I still had a $10 coupon from HTS that will expire in a week so I decided to use it on Shockwave and cyber verse Soundwave.If you had gotten 2 Shockwaves you would have gotten free shipping, right? Or does the coupon kill that?

Darth Metalmute
03-25-2013, 08:19 PM
If you had gotten 2 Shockwaves you would have gotten free shipping, right? Or does the coupon kill that?

I bought it along with a SW figure I haven't seen. I was still 20 dollars short of free shipping and Shockwave was only 19.99.

figrin bran
03-26-2013, 02:03 PM
If you had gotten 2 Shockwaves you would have gotten free shipping, right? Or does the coupon kill that?

I think the coupon would have killed it and I'd have to get 3 Shockwaves.

It turns out I mistransformed Hardshell but it doesn't really change my opinion. Non show accurate colors and the mold itself isn't great. Insect mode has as many issues as FOC Kickback's. The limbs totally hide the menacing look he has and the lack of enough ground clearance renders the jaw articulation useless. I probably should have used the money on Sunder/Rewind ;)

JediTricks
03-27-2013, 02:21 PM
I bought it along with a SW figure I haven't seen. I was still 20 dollars short of free shipping and Shockwave was only 19.99.


I think the coupon would have killed it and I'd have to get 3 Shockwaves.

It turns out I mistransformed Hardshell but it doesn't really change my opinion. Non show accurate colors and the mold itself isn't great. Insect mode has as many issues as FOC Kickback's. The limbs totally hide the menacing look he has and the lack of enough ground clearance renders the jaw articulation useless. I probably should have used the money on Sunder/Rewind ;)Man, that is a bummer. Still, I bet you guys could have gotten rid of extra Shockwaves, that shipping price is such a rip for how slow they are.

How did you mistransform him then? The colors they used on the figure were HORRIBLE in pics I've seen so far.

figrin bran
04-01-2013, 08:52 PM
I just picked up FOC Ravage/Rumble for only $4.98! (Target clearance)

JediTricks
04-03-2013, 02:39 PM
Nice find. If you see Rewind & Sunder at that price, LMK please. I didn't want the set, but having read MTMTE up to the current issue I find I want a Rewind figure, and also I find that I hate myself for wanting figures just because of their being in the comics. :p Luckily I already have MTMTE and RID comic figures since those books are using existing designs, FOC Starscream and Jazz for example.

El Chuxter
04-03-2013, 06:12 PM
Target in Redlands did NOT have the cassettes on clearance.

I'll be hitting it again on Friday; that's when I understand they mark stuff down, so who knows? I might buy the rest at $5 per two-pack. Particularly for Ratbat. I frickin' love Ratbat. I wish he'd gotten a second chance at life in Regeneration One instead of being zombified and disintegrated. I always loved the Marvel take, where he's an accountant who becomes commander (for longer than Megatron in terms of the number of issues, truth be told). :(

JetsAndHeels
04-04-2013, 12:29 PM
I bought BH Voyager Shockwave Tuesday at TRU.

Haven't opened him yet though. I will post my thoughts when I get the chance.

figrin bran
04-05-2013, 12:43 AM
I received a shipping notice from HTS for my BH Voyager Shockwave so I should have him soon as well.

JediTricks
04-05-2013, 02:10 PM
I bought BH Voyager Shockwave Tuesday at TRU.

Haven't opened him yet though. I will post my thoughts when I get the chance.Aaaah! Nice find, I am really jonsing to find that figure. In fact, your find has inspired me, I'm going to hit the stores right now.

El Chuxter
04-05-2013, 05:22 PM
Multiple Targets, lots of cassettes, none on clearance.

El Chuxter
04-07-2013, 10:50 AM
If you're a TF fan and not reading the current comics from IDW, you are missing out. In the main IDW-verse, the war has ended (though solicitations indicate it may start up again soon). Robots in Disguise is about the situation on Cybertron, where Bumblebee, Starscream, and former non-combatant Metalhawk are starting up a new government, much to the chagrin of a lot of characters; More Than Meets the Eye follows Rodimus and the crew of the Lost Light on a quest to find the legendary Knights of Cybertron (IDW's version of the Original Thirteen). MTMTE is an especially great mix of dark and light; it reminds me a lot of the Giffen/DeMatteis Justice League run, only with giant robots.

Regeneration One is a continuation of the original Marvel series, also set in a post-war world, with twenty years of Autobot complacency having led to the virtual destruction of Earth and Nebulos, and multiple Decepticon leaders (Megatron, Soundwave, Bludgeon, a resurrected Scorponok sans Lord Zarak, Shockwave, Starscream, and Galvatron II) launching their own attempts to end the cease-fire and rule.

There are some very good comic books out there right now, but these three are, IMHO, the best by far.

JediTricks
04-07-2013, 03:48 PM
No luck on Shockwave. All 3 of my Target stores have Voyagers gray-tagged, so it looks like it might be a while before we see him there.


More Than Meets the Eye follows Rodimus and the crew of the Lost Light on a quest to find the legendary Knights of Cybertron (IDW's version of the Original Thirteen).It is Rodimus' contention that the Knights will bring about knowledge and wisdom of how to rebuild Cybertron in the wake of the end of the great war. But really, the book is about sitting around talking about philosophy and drinking booze and shooting the breeze and having go-nowhere adventures as if they themselves are a bunch of TF geeks chatting about wiki entries.

El Chuxter
04-07-2013, 09:45 PM
It is Rodimus' contention that the Knights will bring about knowledge and wisdom of how to rebuild Cybertron in the wake of the end of the great war. But really, the book is about sitting around talking about philosophy and drinking booze and shooting the breeze and having go-nowhere adventures as if they themselves are a bunch of TF geeks chatting about wiki entries.
Did you read the Shadowplay storyline? Nothing happened? Maybe in the frame sequence (though they're clearly setting up what I assume is Overlord busting out and going apesnot all upside everyone's heads). But that flashback. Holy crap, that last page reveal floored me so much, I wound up in the basement, and I don't even have a basement.

El Chuxter
04-08-2013, 02:48 PM
BTW, have any of you ever attempted to customize Transformers? That seems like an insane amount of work, particularly with there not being a standard body style. But I want a Senator Shockwave figure so badly, and no way will it ever happen unless I do it myself....