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megaprime33
06-08-2005, 11:01 AM
You all have to realize that the Alts line is dying. Before when it was very popular you couldn't find any of the new toys that were out. When I go to target or wherever I see them all there. No one seems to be buying them anymore. I wouldn't hold your breath for jets or tanks or anything like that. I've heard from several Hasbro spokespeople on Alts and they said no before, so.

Tycho
06-08-2005, 12:23 PM
I don't see how you could say the only line myself and others I've heard of buying Transformers actually purchase is failing?

What I don't buy is repaints of the same molds, with minor or no variations.

I don't buy characters that have been totally changed:

Grimlock is a dinosaur. A Mustang that turned into a Dino I'd have bought.

Ravage is a Jaguar. A Jaguar or even a Corvette that turned into a cat I'd have bought - and they were so close - if they'd made Ravage walk on all 4's with new arm extensions, and given him a tail...

Shockwave was gun. So some kind of military vehicle (dark in color) would have worked much better hijacking what we knew as "Jazz."

Combiners should either combine or at least have similar heads to what they used to (Swindle, Dead End, Drag Strip, Wild Rider).

And what I want are key characters like Megatron and Starscream, close to their original forms (a ranged weapon, and a jet airplane)


But I think Alternators could live on - and long. I do not buy other neon and offscale Transformers products - nor do Generation 1 commemoratives excite me any more like they used to - not next the Alternators!

El Chuxter
06-08-2005, 02:10 PM
I'm totally with you, Tycho, though I have weakened and bought "inaccurate" Alternators like Grimlock and Shockwave. I was on the fence (leaning toward no) about Decepticharge until seeing the pics in the Entertainment Earth catalog last night, and I think I'm going to have to give in since he's one of the best-looking Alternators yet.

But the fact that some stores still have one Smokescreen and two Silverstreaks, and others have had no Alternators on the shelf (new or old) for the better part of a year, really concerns me. I'd forgotten about Prowl earlier, but I have a nasty feeling this line won't be around to collect much longer, unless it somehow merges with the TF movie figures.

And it's much easier to pass on the cheap neon repaints of Beast Wars and RID that seem to make up the other lines right now.

Either way, I suspect final word and a lot of new info will be found at ComicCon.

Chaddymac
06-08-2005, 07:44 PM
I'm totally with you, Tycho, though I have weakened and bought "inaccurate" Alternators like Grimlock and Shockwave. I was on the fence (leaning toward no) about Decepticharge until seeing the pics in the Entertainment Earth catalog last night, and I think I'm going to have to give in since he's one of the best-looking Alternators yet.

But the fact that some stores still have one Smokescreen and two Silverstreaks, and others have had no Alternators on the shelf (new or old) for the better part of a year, really concerns me. I'd forgotten about Prowl earlier, but I have a nasty feeling this line won't be around to collect much longer, unless it somehow merges with the TF movie figures.

And it's much easier to pass on the cheap neon repaints of Beast Wars and RID that seem to make up the other lines right now.

Either way, I suspect final word and a lot of new info will be found at ComicCon.
A new Alt prototype just bounced onto the internet. Rumors circulating it's Rodimus Prime, others saying it's Ironhide. Either way, it's a Toyota Scion. Looks like the MPV rumor was right. Where's that link...

http://www.tfw2005.com/gallery/News-Alternator-Ironhide

Anyway, the company I was talking about is called Honeywell, or something. You see their "knockoffs" in stores all the time, but they've got a Supra and something else that's very Alternator-ish, but not by Hasbro. And different licenses. But this throws a wrench in my assessment so...who knows?

Also, BBTS has a preorder up for Star Convoy.

darthvyn
06-08-2005, 10:37 PM
that's crazy! that's the car i said they should make soundwave out of! the scion xB! (scion is the manufacturer, not the make... toyota is the company that created scion, however...) for soundwave, i would've made it so the back window was the chest, and the front end became his feet, but whatever. my money's on ironhide, this doesn't say rodimus prime to me. although it really doesn't say ironhide to me, either. oh, well, maybe i'll see more of ironhide in the colored prototype.



Car Companies that have no Transformer Alternators yet:

Chevy (if you don't count Corvette)


well, why wouldn't you count the corvette?



Chrisler


daimler/chrysler owns jeep, so yup, they have too...



Toyota


if the xB alt is true, then this one's taken care of, too...



Geo
Saturn
GMC
Pontiac


all owned by GM, who also owns chevy, so these are basically taken care of...



Lexus


also part of toyota



Military Companies:

Hummer


ALSO part of GM

i agree, however, there's still a lot that could be done within the manufacturer "imprints" but most of them are all parts of larger corporations. and you didn't mention honda in there at all!

Chaddymac
06-08-2005, 10:55 PM
that's crazy! that's the car i said they should make soundwave out of! the scion xB! (scion is the manufacturer, not the make... toyota is the company that created scion, however...) for soundwave, i would've made it so the back window was the chest, and the front end became his feet, but whatever. my money's on ironhide, this doesn't say rodimus prime to me. although it really doesn't say ironhide to me, either. oh, well, maybe i'll see more of ironhide in the colored prototype.



well, why wouldn't you count the corvette?



daimler/chrysler owns jeep, so yup, they have too...



if the xB alt is true, then this one's taken care of, too...



all owned by GM, who also owns chevy, so these are basically taken care of...



also part of toyota



ALSO part of GM

i agree, however, there's still a lot that could be done within the manufacturer "imprints" but most of them are all parts of larger corporations. and you didn't mention honda in there at all!
Just so you guys are up on current Hasbro events, at Comic-Con last year Hasbro announced that they had the Hummer license for the GI JOE brand. Seems an easy jump over to Transformers. I still think we'll see it happen, sooner than later.

Tycho
06-09-2005, 01:08 AM
The head looks more like Rodimus Prime's than Ironhide I think...

There's no room for a spoiler of some sorts on this kind of vehicle as an add-on?

It's very boxy for Rodimus and weak for an Autobot LEADER. The decales might help - but Rodimus should be more of a camper-RV type of thing with some power to it.

If I was in the car market, btw, I'd pass on buying something that looks like this to drive, personally.

As for whether I'd buy it as an Alternator - sure! It looks like it will Transform differently from the others etc.

I'll wait and watch the rumors on who the repaints could be and then decide to get one and only one of the repaints (like I waited and did not buy Grimlock though I love the Mustang - so I bought Wheeljack who was more appropriate of character for this sort of thing).

As to repaints and possibilities:

AUTOBOTS:

Rodimus Prime - not a great idea, but looks possible
Ironhide - not a great ideam but better than Rodimus
Trailbreaker - a good idea. This could work.
Kup - should be a pickup truck. No question. So no on the proto shown.
Swerve - sure. I could care less. But I'd buy him.
Gears - ditto.

DECEPTICONS:

MotorMaster - I suppose so. It's weak, but could work.
Onslaught (hope not!) - NOT! Oh that'd be a crime!
Rumble? - I guess because an SUV rumbles? If they made pile-driver arms???

On that last note, they made Ravage a car, so...

I hope it's Trailbreaker, and Ironhide secondly.

If they make pick-ups like the Ford F-350 into Ironhide and repaint it as Kup - there I might buy both paint jobs. A Chevy S-10 could work there as well.

I think Ironhide could be a better SUV than this thing - which is not really an SUV I think. Ironhide could be a Toyota 4-Runner, or Jeep Grand Cherokee - but so should Trailbreaker.

JediTricks
06-10-2005, 07:44 PM
(scion is the manufacturer, not the make... toyota is the company that created scion, however...) You are correct, though Scion is just another division of Toyota like Lexus, except that I believe Scion is more closely linked with Toyota's main badge's manufacturing, as Toyota stopped making the MR2 Spyder and Celica to concentrate on the Scion.


daimler/chrysler owns jeep, so yup, they have too... They also own Dodge, which makes the Viper, the #2 figure in the line.


and you didn't mention honda in there at all!Or Nissan.



The head looks more like Rodimus Prime's than Ironhide I think... Perhaps, but that hasn't meant jack squat in this line lately.


There's no room for a spoiler of some sorts on this kind of vehicle as an add-on? There is, the xB is very customizable, but the spoiler looks kinda silly on top of that flat shape IMO.

darthvyn
06-11-2005, 10:12 PM
There is, the xB is very customizable, but the spoiler looks kinda silly on top of that flat shape IMO.

EVERYTHING looks silly on that flat shape! except a soundwave alternator!!!!!

i really love the scion tC... hopefully the xB proto is real, and then maybe they'll make a tC!

Tycho
06-12-2005, 01:44 AM
I'll buy this mold for:

Yes - Ironhide, in maroon-red
No - Soundwave - in any color
No- Rodimus Prime - with or without a spoiler
Yes - Trailbreaker - should be used for him instead of a Jeep Wrangler anyway.


On that note, my Hound broke. :cry:

I transform these guys maybe 1 or 2 times a month, just changing how I display them.

The hinge on his driver's side door broke. I can put the door on for 'bot mode right now and it stays put, but I want a fully-hinged door and I don't know how it'll handle as it is in vehicle mode.

I plan to write Hasbro and send them off a letter letting them know I can bring Hound to Comic Con in a month so they can fix him, or they could let me buy a driver's side door from them and send it to me in the mail.

Hound is not found in the stores here any more. Never was that common here anyway. He's also one of my favorite characters. I don't really want to replace mine anyway. I've made friends with him. I just want a new door for him.

Adam
06-28-2005, 12:55 AM
You all have to realize that the Alts line is dying. Before when it was very popular you couldn't find any of the new toys that were out. When I go to target or wherever I see them all there. No one seems to be buying them anymore. I wouldn't hold your breath for jets or tanks or anything like that. I've heard from several Hasbro spokespeople on Alts and they said no before, so.


Ok.. that's garbage. No offense. Your area doesn't speak for the whole.. I can't find squat for Alternators, but I know they've been here. I never even saw Grimlock and I still haven't seen Wheeljack... looks like they're selling OK to me. Who are the Hasbro "spokepeople" you're referring to? If you mean the people we see at Wal-Mart every now and then, they are not really privey to far off products...

El Chuxter
06-28-2005, 11:57 AM
They're selling just fine for the most part, but stores don't seem to be restocking them. I frequent three Wal-Marts, five Targets, a KB, and two TRU's, and of those, only the TRUs and one of the Wal-Marts have restocked anything in months.

One of the Wal-Marts and one of the Targets have had no Alternators, nor a spot for them, for a full year.

darthvyn
06-28-2005, 03:30 PM
yeah, it looks like the WM near my old apartment has given up on them. no place on the shelves for 'em. the target there, and the one by my new apartment both still have them, but i haven't seen anything new since i snagged wheeljack and shockwave...

JediTricks
06-29-2005, 07:52 PM
Target has been stocking Alts lately, TRU hasn't and WM hasn't so Target is the only store to have anything new at all.

JediTricks
06-30-2005, 07:43 PM
The hasbro site updated today, the first ep of TF:Cybertron will air this weekend on Cartoon Network: http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/energon/pl/newsID.C9D0F131-D56F-E112-48839D9BB2A7AE91/page.news/dn/default.cfm

Geez, nice promo work CN! :mad: I have to learn about this 2 days in advance from an unrelated site that hadn't had significant updates in months?

Tycho
06-30-2005, 09:46 PM
I saw Swerve at Target today. I left him there though. It's not one I'm after.

The box showed fire blazing on his hood, like G1 Tracks had, but the vehicle didn't have any of that decaling.

Hasbro wrote me and said they were mailing me stuff to return my Hound figure to them with - and they'd send me an entire new one. They don't have spare parts to replace my driver's side door on him. Sad. I'm sentimentally attached to THAT particular Hound figure. Why can't they just fix him up with spare parts like Ratchet would on the cartoon show?

plasticfetish
06-30-2005, 10:43 PM
Sneaks in quietly...

Saw Cybertron basic figures at TRU tonight. Found "Overhaul", "Ransack" and "Scattorshot" -- bought them :eek: and maybe after I open them later tonight, I'll tell you what I think (+ pics.)

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edit: OK. Opened them up and they're fun--besides being wobbly in robot mode (Ransack) or a bit of a brick in vehicle mode (Overhaul) 'cause the wheels don't roll. They're not a huge departure from the Armada or Energon line, but the new gimmick is kind of cool and after looking at photos of what's to come, I'm sort of interested in quite a few of them. :)

Adam
07-01-2005, 11:21 PM
I'm getting those from Amazon next week. :D I got tired of waiting. (I got more than those three, but only those three have shipped so far.)

To be fair JT, they have been running promos on the channel. But it IS pretty tame compaired to some other shows.

JediTricks
07-02-2005, 04:44 AM
Tycho, I'm told that ALT Swerve's decal is actually in the box, you apply it yourself, but I can't prove this as I didn't buy him either. If it is, I get the sneaking suspicion that Swerve was released mainly to get fans to buy him so they can apply the decal in the box to Tracks. :p


PF, I saw every size today at TRUs *except* for the basics! I already have Ransack from the Japanese version (Galaxy Force: Gasket), but I wanted the others. I don't especially like the Ransack/Gasket figure myself though, the mold is weird and not stable enough and kinda just an oddball - from your pics, doesn't look like they changed anything for the US release, including the lack of faction logo.

I'm VERY shocked to learn Overhaul's wheels don't roll, are you sure they aren't just too stiff? They look like they should move.


Adam, I heard they started running those promos only last weekend, and they're really not good, and there aren't many of 'em, so color me unimpressed with CN, they deserve no credit here.


I hadn't done a bona fide toy run in weeks, so hearing that Cybertron toys were out I hit the stores and found everything of wave 1 except the basics. I am really broke but I ended up spending $80: Hot Shot, Dirt Boss, Crumplezone, and the only Optimus Prime I saw.

The short-short versions:

Hot Shot - very slick, wings aren't that exciting but overall a good effort and solid, cool bot mode. Weapon isn't that cool but oh well. Most frustrating: doors on forearms don't rotate, but at least they're heavily-armed.

Dirt Boss - a little small and colors are a bit unappealling, but I really like the vehicle mode and its gimmick is really nifty, bot mode is ok but the head situation is a little weird and the face is kinda odd and the flip-out guns aren't properly-aligned with each other. Still, I dig him, he makes me smile.

Crumplezone - decent but not as cool as I was expecting, colors are somehow a little worse in person. Alt mode front end not entirely stable, rear end is solid as a rock though. Gimmick doesn't do much for alt mode, bot mode is better though. Bot mode's shape is really odd but kinda brutish - another figure with hard-to-see eyes. Most frustrating: gimmick makes thrusters in alt mode not stay all the way down, and the sound effect is annoying quick.

Optimus Prime - perhaps a bit simplistic but really neat stuff going on, and the backpack & boots amp it up quite a bit too. Removable matrix, closing mouth-shield, big weapons, it's just very very cool. I haven't tried the sound & light stuff yet. Most frustrating: instructions, they go from bot to vehicle which is unusual, and they miss a bunch of things.

plasticfetish
07-03-2005, 12:05 AM
I'm VERY shocked to learn Overhaul's wheels don't roll, are you sure they aren't just too stiff? They look like they should move.It's not that they don't move, it's just that with the way "he" sits (on all 4 wheels) they don't roll. He sort of slides along on his undercarriage.

He's my favorite of the 3 though. I agree about Ransack, it's a wonky toy, but I hadn't bought myself a TF in soooo long... so what the heck.

I saw a few more tonight.

Hot Shot - looked like nothing special, but not bad.
Landmine - really looked like nothing special.
Thundercracker - (something about that name makes me laugh.) A decent jet figure, but nothing new or special.
Dirt Boss - Funny... I came really close to buying this one. I agree, there's something fun about it. (Next time.)
Vector Prime - I'm not sure about this one. I kind of dig it, but I'll wait a bit.
Crumplezone - I bought this one. I'll open it later and let you know what I think.
Jetfire - looks very cool, but I didn't feel like spending $30 right now. (Again, next time.)

Still waiting to see Optimus Prime and Override, which I think I'll like. I'm not wild about Red Alert, and I'm not sure about Megatron, who looks too much like the Batmobile to me. In bot mode he looks OK I suppose, but It's hard to tell just from the photos on the insert.

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So what did you guys think about the first episode? Did I miss some kind of a pilot episode where they set this whole thing up, or did it really just start up with no introduction?

Chaddymac
07-03-2005, 12:14 AM
It's not that they don't move, it's just that with the way "he" sits (on all 4 wheels) they don't roll. He sort of slides along on his undercarriage.

He's my favorite of the 3 though. I agree about Ransack, it's a wonky toy, but I hadn't bought myself a TF in soooo long... so what the heck.

I saw a few more tonight.

Hot Shot - looked like nothing special, but not bad.
Landmine - really looked like nothing special.
Thundercracker - (something about that name makes me laugh.) A decent jet figure, but nothing new or special.
Dirt Boss - Funny... I came really close to buying this one. I agree, there's something fun about it. (Next time.)
Vector Prime - I'm not sure about this one. I kind of dig it, but I'll wait a bit.
Crumplezone - I bought this one. I'll open it later and let you know what I think.
Jetfire - looks very cool, but I didn't feel like spending $30 right now. (Again, next time.)

Still waiting to see Optimus Prime and Override, which I think I'll like. I'm not wild about Red Alert, and I'm not sure about Megatron, who looks too much like the Batmobile to me. In bot mode he looks OK I suppose, but It's hard to tell just from the photos on the insert.

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So what did you guys think about the first episode? Did I miss some kind of a pilot episode where they set this whole thing up, or did it really just start up with no introduction?
It seems they skipped the first 3 episodes of the Japanese-language series, so a great deal of the set-up was left behind. God only knows if they'll show those 3 episodes, but it looks like they're going to show them from 4 on. idiots.

I only bought Ransack today and I'm not so much disappointed as unimpressed. It's basically convinced me not to waste my time on this line. I heard Jetfire was a must have, though. I will personally be waiting until I play with him in person out of box, but my buddy won't stop gushing about him.

plasticfetish
07-03-2005, 04:29 AM
It seems they skipped the first 3 episodes of the Japanese-language series, so a great deal of the set-up was left behind.Yeah, that's what I figured. Very odd choice.

and I'm not so much disappointed as unimpressed. It's basically convinced me not to waste my time on this line.Yeah, after having looked at a few more of them tonight in person, that's still pretty much my take on the TF line. There's going to be a few that I like well enough, (and I'll buy then to keep up my timeline of sampled figures) but on the whole there's nothing really amazing going on.

I'm interested to see what Hasbro has out at Comic-Con. Last year they told me that they would start focusing on toys from "the movie" right away. :ermm:

kool-aid killer
07-03-2005, 12:38 PM
I watched the Cybertron cartoon yesterday and i was disgusted for the most part. This one might make my head hurt more than Energon did. I get the feeling that this ones going to suffer like the last Transformers toon did. Oh well, at least i have my Beast Wars box sets to show me what a solid Transformers cartoon is.

Chaddymac
07-03-2005, 02:06 PM
Yeah, that's what I figured. Very odd choice.
Yeah, after having looked at a few more of them tonight in person, that's still pretty much my take on the TF line. There's going to be a few that I like well enough, (and I'll buy then to keep up my timeline of sampled figures) but on the whole there's nothing really amazing going on.

I'm interested to see what Hasbro has out at Comic-Con. Last year they told me that they would start focusing on toys from "the movie" right away. :ermm:
I have no idea what to expect from the movie toys, but I REALLY hope they rock. With the trickle down of the Alternators line, I need a reason to keep up the interest.

Oh, by the way, the Scion (at least in the BT line) was announced as Skids.

Adam
07-03-2005, 03:27 PM
The show was frustrating. I've been watching Galaxy Force and its 25 episodes in. It's a fun show for the most part. Suprisingly, most of the plot and dialouge was spot on, which is GOOD. The only things omitted were Primus (which sort of explained why those blasted force chips just drop from the sky right when the Autobots need them.. but doesn't explain how everyone else learns how to use it whenever they want..), and the whole Atlantic Pattern thing.

I don't get why they started with episode 4, its not a great episode..

And what is up with the accents! Jetfire's new Aussie accent completely destroys voice continuity. (That and its terrible.) Scattorshot's is just as bad. And Red Alert's english accent makes zero sense as well. Then we have the same guy who voiced Rad voicing Hot Shot now.. AUGH! I shudder to think how Nitro Convoy.. er Override's female voice will sound. (NC is male in GF if you didn't know..)

I might watch it if I have nothing to do, but I'm sticking to GF..

plasticfetish
07-03-2005, 04:00 PM
And what is up with the accents!I was laughing at that when we watched the show. Sort of over-the-top, but a lot of the dialog is really over-the-top silly also, so I didn't mind too much.

I think the best thing a show like this has going for it, is that it's just pushing the whole absurd dialog idea as far as it can go. I really wish they'd go for it and make everything as big and loud as possible. Just crank up the whole cliche TF thing--but this show did a fair job of that.

I'm not sure one way or the other about the animation yet. I kind of found the mouth animation to be a little odd. Very puppet like.

JediTricks
07-04-2005, 12:59 AM
It's not that they don't move, it's just that with the way "he" sits (on all 4 wheels) they don't roll. He sort of slides along on his undercarriage.I can't picture what you mean in my head. I'll take a closer look when I see him in person next week.


I agree about Ransack, it's a wonky toy, but I hadn't bought myself a TF in soooo long... so what the heck. Sounds like the reason I bought the Galaxy Force version. ;)


Hot Shot - looked like nothing special, but not bad. Depends on your POV, he is kinda cool but isn't a tiny god.


Landmine - really looked like nothing special. That's what I thought, and didn't buy him, now I'm seeing really positive reviews and regretting that choice. I'll buy him next week for sure.


Thundercracker - (something about that name makes me laugh.) A decent jet figure, but nothing new or special. His oversized head bothered me, and seeing him in person didn't make me buy him right away, but Dave Van Domelen's review really killed all my remaining interest: http://www.eyrie.org/~dvandom/BW/ (http://www.eyrie.org/%7Edvandom/BW/)


Dirt Boss - Funny... I came really close to buying this one. I agree, there's something fun about it. (Next time.) This one is an oddity, there's definitely some things that some TF collectors will loathe about him, but I like him on the fun level, and he has one really clever bit where when you rotate his waist around, his chip gimmick goes off to accomodate the rest of the transformation.


Vector Prime - I'm not sure about this one. I kind of dig it, but I'll wait a bit. That's the same reaction I had, though mine was more about the small size and weak paint work. I'll probably end up getting him soon though.


Jetfire - looks very cool, but I didn't feel like spending $30 right now. (Again, next time.) $25 at my TRUs. I'm in the same boat, I was tempted but couldn't pull the trigger on that much $$$ right now.


Still waiting to see Optimus Prime and Override, which I think I'll like. I'm not wild about Red Alert, and I'm not sure about Megatron, who looks too much like the Batmobile to me. In bot mode he looks OK I suppose, but It's hard to tell just from the photos on the insert. Optimus is my favorite Optimus Prime toy since the end of Beast Machines - he just looks more in charge, complete, big, and then he gets bigger and heavily-armed.

Override isn't out yet as far as I know, but I definitely want to get... her? Not used to that yet.

Red Alert looks pretty cool to me, but I like the Dodge Magnum he's based off of so I had a little push.

Megs is a triple-changer, bot to car to plane, I think he looks pretty cool, he's actually a merging of Megatron and Unicron sparks so his body reflects that.

One you didn't mention is $25 Scourge, the 3-headed dragon. I am not interested at this point even though it's finally a return to beasts because I don't like 3-headed transformers, they've too often done wrong by me.



So what did you guys think about the first episode? Did I miss some kind of a pilot episode where they set this whole thing up, or did it really just start up with no introduction? I wouldn't know, stupid Cartoon Network decided to show ep 3. :rolleyes: Man, what is WRONG with them?!? This isn't the first TF series they've done that with. The ep was ok, a little better than Armada & Energon, interesting action and decent artwork, but still too many kids and the Aussie accents on some characters were REALLY difficult to get past for some reason. I also think Gary Chalk's turn at playing Optimus Prime is starting to wear thin unfortunately.



It seems they skipped the first 3 episodes of the Japanese-language series, so a great deal of the set-up was left behind. God only knows if they'll show those 3 episodes, but it looks like they're going to show them from 4 on. idiots. TV listings and even the CN schedule said this was Ep 3, so I suspect they'll simply play them out of order like they did with Energon's premiere and we'll see Eps 1 and 2 in a few weeks.


I only bought Ransack today and I'm not so much disappointed as unimpressed. It's basically convinced me not to waste my time on this line. As I said in the Just Found LA thread, don't base your opinion on this line with Ransack, he's easily my least-favorite and doesn't remind me of any other figures so far, and his gimmick isn't indicative of the other chip gimmicks either.


KAK, why is Cybertron worse than Energon for you? I have it the other way around, it's slightly better than Armada, Energon, and even RiD, but still nowhere near as good as it should be.



I'm not sure one way or the other about the animation yet. I kind of found the mouth animation to be a little odd. Very puppet like. Yeah, the mouth movements were pretty bad, the CG there wasn't as good as it should have been, it stood out the most.


BTW, Hasbro totally omitted mention of 2 modes for Prime, the one where his extra stuff becomes a base of sorts, not much to it but it's a good weapons emplacement for Prime or others; and the vehicle mode sides become wings which looks pretty nifty. I put in the batteries and I plan on leaving them there, they're not bad, there's a dribbling-fire sound, then when you insert the chip (er... key, I guess, gotta start calling them that I suppose) the hexagonal barrel opens with a sound, then if you hold down the fire button it makes a drawing power sound and when you let go it makes an interesting big-fire sound.

kool-aid killer
07-04-2005, 11:47 AM
Its got to be the accents that make me loathe it more than i did Energon. Dont get me wrong, i still might catch several more episodes in hopes of them redeeming Cybertron but as it is right now they are in the hole. Plus it didnt help that the story seemed to make no sense. I kept asking myself "Did they show the first episode last week?"

Here in Omaha i have yet to see any new Transformer toys, but Target has started to mark down their left over Energon figures, now people just need to buy them.

JediTricks
07-05-2005, 08:41 PM
Yeah, the accents really do take me out of it too, someone pointed out that the NZ accent on Jango Fett in AOTC did that for them, and it's true for me too, both there and here.

They definitely didn't show the first or second ep yet, no idea when they will, if ever. Rumor has it the reason is simply a dubbing issue that had to be fixed, but who knows if that's true.

BTW, I was mistaken about Prime's packaging, the instructions and packaging do show the vehicle mode's "jet mode", just not the correct super mode or the wonky base mode/emplacement. I've found my favorite backpack-wearing bot mode, it's not in the instructions either, the side panels have to be inverted before putting the pack on Prime (the same way the Hasbro Cybertron packaging claims Super mode already is, with the techy sculpted bits facing forward/out and the wings down at the bottom of the panels instead of at the top), then the panels with wings are layed flat against the pack and pointed down and 1 click back, then you can rotate the weapons over Prime's shoulders from a spot that's further back than the offical Hasbro mode which looks way cooler.

plasticfetish
07-06-2005, 03:34 AM
That's the same reaction I had, though mine was more about the small size and weak paint work. I'll probably end up getting him soon though.Yeah, Vector Prime's paint job (and how it looks 10 times better in the photos) is what made me hold off. But they all look better in the photos I suppose.

One you didn't mention is $25 Scourge, the 3-headed dragon. I am not interested at this point even though it's finally a return to beasts because I don't like 3-headed transformers, they've too often done wrong by me.I'm just not interested in that one at all. It looks way too Megazord to me. If they're gonna do "beasts" then they should just do them. None of this, "We'll slip this one in to mix things up." kind of stuff. And then there's the big club with fire on the end of it...

:ermm:

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I saw $49.99 Starscream today, and I'm really not impressed. It looks like they took a smaller figure and enlarged it so that there was the same level of detail as a deluxe figure, but just bigger, with bigger features, etc. Very bulky and plane (no pun intended.) In this case bigger is not better, just more expensive.

Why make Starscream that big anyway?

Chaddymac
07-06-2005, 03:21 PM
Yeah, Vector Prime's paint job (and how it looks 10 times better in the photos) is what made me hold off. But they all look better in the photos I suppose.
I'm just not interested in that one at all. It looks way too Megazord to me. If they're gonna do "beasts" then they should just do them. None of this, "We'll slip this one in to mix things up." kind of stuff. And then there's the big club with fire on the end of it...

:ermm:

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I saw $49.99 Starscream today, and I'm really not impressed. It looks like they took a smaller figure and enlarged it so that there was the same level of detail as a deluxe figure, but just bigger, with bigger features, etc. Very bulky and plane (no pun intended.) In this case bigger is not better, just more expensive.

Why make Starscream that big anyway?
I'd have gotten screamer if his cockpit opened and fit, I don't know, a Gi Joe figure. but it didn't and it doesn't so I won't.

Adam
07-06-2005, 08:07 PM
Okay so I got my first shipment from Amazon today.

Thundercracker: Not very good. His "Thunder Hell" gun arm's shoulder won't stay put, and looks awkward when the force chip is used. Some good things though.. his right fist flips out, which is always nice. Someone said his head looked oversized, but he seems allright to me. One improvement that would have helped this figure is his legs.. they are ball jointed, but don't really have use for them in robot mode. They're too stiff and don't move smoothly. I do not recommend this figure.

Guardshell/Landmine: Articulation wise, this guy has it good. Everything moves smoothly unlike the previous stinker. Has a handheld weapon that doesn't suffer from clear plastic syndrome like 99% of Energon did. Only thing that dissapointed me was I wasn't clear on how his arms worked transformation wise. I though the shovels could be moved over his hands to act as boxing gloves. Sadly, the way the hands are revieled involes moving the shovels themselves. The force chip gimmick is interesting, and I like it mainly because its not a "use gimmick to fire missle" feature. On both back wheels, insert the chip and turn it like a key and the spikes pop out. You can pose him squating slightly and elevate the back end where the wheels are to simulate Guardshell's "tornado cutter", which is the name of his force chip attack in Galaxy Force. Guardshell/Landmine is recommended.

Dreadrock/Jetfire: Not too sure where people get that he is floopy from, although it could be that catch on his torso that holds the nose of the plane down isn't very strong. It's not weak enough to be considered floppy, on mine at least. His only other low point, is that are some gaps in his mid section. It's not hollow per se like Energon Mirage, there are just some gaps between the chest, back and tail end of the plane. One odd thing is that his back is not straight, but slanted. It looks a little odd, and certainly would have looked better straight. He is also a little back heavy, but if you pose him right, its not a big problem. Other than that though, Jetfire is a great figure. His wrists turn and can be pushed in the arms. Shoulder movement is good, even though they are the wings of the jet. The head sculpt is great, the best of all three recent Jetfire's. His head is also on a ball joint, so its movement is better than most. Twin rifles look good. There's an interesting gimmick with the torso catch. When locked in two small missle pods pop out just below the cockput windows. Really cool. His force chip gimmick is forgettable, all it does is pop up the gun on the tail section. Would have been better of you could swivel it face outwards. Legs are articulated in the same fasion as his Energon counter part, which was the really only positive thing about THAT figure. Overall, its a major step up from his Enegon incarnation, and a slight step above his Armada self. Reccomended.

Galaxy Convoy/Optimus Prime: Simply put, the best main line Optimus Prime ever. He is only beat by Masterpeice Prime. Articulation is excellent, only thing I missed was wrist movement. Normal mode looks good, even with the faceplate down. The rifle is cool looking, and the removable matrix gimmick is great! They haven't done that in a main line since Big Convoy. Lots of little detail all over. Super mode is the best its been since RiD. I really like this one because its not just extra armor (RiD), extra height (Armada) or new arms and legs (Energon). This time he gets a little taller, two massive guns and 4 little ones, and its looks awesome. The over the shoulders Hasbro version looks ok, but I prefer the series accurate under the arms version. There are two force chip gimmicks one on each of the big guns. The left guns opens up and has a light gimmick, but I don't have batteries in mine. The right gun pops out two additional missile launchers. I really can't think of any complaints about this guy... Highly reccomended.

plasticfetish
07-06-2005, 09:45 PM
Guardshell/Landmine is recommended.OK. You guys may have talked me into this one now.

Galaxy Convoy/Optimus Prime: Simply put, the best main line Optimus Prime ever.Man... now I'm getting excited about this one.

Adam
07-06-2005, 10:07 PM
I'd say if you're fine with Landmine's colors, go for it.

Prime is no-brainer to me.

JediTricks
07-06-2005, 10:58 PM
I'm just not interested in that one at all. It looks way too Megazord to me. If they're gonna do "beasts" then they should just do them. None of this, "We'll slip this one in to mix things up." kind of stuff. And then there's the big club with fire on the end of it... They will, actually, there's a whole beast-planet in this series so there will be more beasts, and not techno-animals like Energon's Terrorcons either.


I saw $49.99 Starscream today, and I'm really not impressed. It looks like they took a smaller figure and enlarged it so that there was the same level of detail as a deluxe figure, but just bigger, with bigger features, etc. Very bulky and plane (no pun intended.) In this case bigger is not better, just more expensive.

Why make Starscream that big anyway? He has the crown, his guns just above his cockpit rotate up which the regular sized version doesn't, and the tip of the vehicle folds up, he has 1 flip-out blade weapon and 1 flip-out gun weapon instead of 2 blades, other than that he really does seem the same and too plain. The reason they did him big I guess is because at some point he'll end up going to the Giant Planet and getting supersized in the show. Personally, I think they have something wrong in their heads releasing biggie Screamer first.


Adam, glad to see you like Optimus too, sounds like you may dig him even more than I do, and I *really* dig him! :D

I hope to get Landmine tomorrow, along with the 2 basics I don't have.

plasticfetish
07-07-2005, 12:00 AM
They will, actually, there's a whole beast-planet in this series so there will be more beasts, and not techno-animals like Energon's Terrorcons either.I guess to be fair I'll just have to wait and see what they have out at Comic-Con before I pass judgement.

darthvyn
07-07-2005, 08:51 AM
well, this has nothing with the topic at hand, but i actually picked up alt.grimlock a couple of days ago. looks good, not a real surprise since i already have wheeljack, except for the fact that he has TWO RIGHT HANDS!!! yep, the left arm has a right hand on it. maybe i should sell it on ebay as a "manufacturers defect..."

really, i'm just going to try to find the contact info for hasbro QC and see if they can't send me the left hand...

EDIT: just went over to www.binalternators.de and found out a lot of new info!!!

# July 2nd 2005: Doug Dlin confirmed at alt.toys.transformers that Hirofumi Ichikawa apparently won't write a background story for the "Binaltech Asterisk" subline.

# July 1st 2005: Zinc Panic reports a vast number of new Binaltech announcements, which are being confirmed by DragonX76 of TFans: BT-17, the Toyota bB (Scion xB in the USA) previously believed to be "Ironhide", will in fact be Skids. Even more surprising, however, is the announcement of a new sub-line, the "Binaltech Asterisk Series", which will apparently include remolds of previous releases, which will on top of that be coupled with female (!) drivers on a 1/24 scale: Broadcast (the Japanese name of Blaster), release date November 2005, is going to be a remold of Skids, with Lumina/Rumina, a news reporter, as his driver; Sunstreaker, a GTS version of Dead End, will be released in September, together with a racing queen named Junko; and Alert (the Japanese name of Red Alert), release date September 2005, is going to be a police version of Streak, with * (name still unknown), a policewoman, as his driver.

and here's some links

more pics of the proto ironhide/skids
http://www.tfans.com/talk/index.php?showtopic=27497

boxed prowl
http://blog.park4u.com/blog.asp?name=priplus&id=15378

out of box prowl
http://blog.park4u.com/blog.asp?name=priplus&id=15378
(his head looks kinda gundamish...)

Adam
07-07-2005, 05:13 PM
PF


Galaxy Force/Cybertron beasts for your viewing pleasure (except Dinoshout/Undermine, because he sucks and has terrible names. And Saidos is poo-poo.)

Dinoshout/Undermine: http://tfkenkon.com/collection/act326/
Flame Convoy/Scourge pt1: http://tfkenkon.com/collection/act327/
pt2: http://tfkenkon.com/collection/act328/
Fang Wolf/Snarl: http://tfkenkon.com/collection/act329/
Saidos/cantremberthecybertronname: http://tfkenkon.com/collection/act339/
Tarrashaver/??:
http://tfkenkon.com/collection/act340/
Ligerjack/Leobreaker(Overhaul's upgrade): http://tfkenkon.com/collection/act341/


That's all of the beasts, there are more GF stuff on this page that you may not have seen.
http://tfkenkon.com/collection/collection.php

kool-aid killer
07-08-2005, 12:15 AM
Im liking some of those beasts, but im not really feeling the Rhino guy, hes too rotund looking to be taken seriously. His beast mode is cool, but as a bot he is lacking.

JediTricks
07-08-2005, 03:39 AM
Vyn, that sucks about your Grimmy having 2 right hands! If you contact Hasbro now, there's a good chance they can get you a new one (they only replace stuff like that when they still are making them and they're in stock).

The "asterisk" line sounds too silly for me, but I'll wait and see. I really doubt that'll come out in the US though.

I don't like those wheels on Ironskids, I haven't seen any xBs around here with 'em.


Adam, Saidos is "Armorhide" in the Cybertron line. At least he ain't "Rhinox" though, I would have blown a gasket if Hasbro tried to pull that crap.


KAK, everybody seems to feel similarly about the Rhino guy, Saidos, his sideways-walking legs are too laughable.


I picked up 4 more Cybertron figs today, Jetfire, Landmine, Scattorshot, and Overhaul.

Overhaul is "Brawn" to me, no question now, he's got those G1 colors and the G1 character's alt mode. Overhaul's Key gimmick sucks IMO, and the projectile is so long that it sticks way out his back in both modes, I'm probably going to cut it down to fit better. I'd like Overhaul a lot more if his shoulders weren't such a horror show.

Landmine I was expecting to be slightly better, he's decent but IMO he's not the god some people were saying he was. His key gimmick doesn't actually need the key to work, but it's kinda neat.

Scattorshot is my favorite by far of this lot, he rules, and his are the first projectiles I can think of in a long while where they're actually shaped like missiles (he looks better without them though). The only thing I don't like about Scattorshot is the lack of leg articulation, and the dark visor that makes his yellow goggles look like huge eyes, but he's cool enough to overlook these things.

Jetfire, well, I'll talk about Jetfire in response to other's comments...


Dreadrock/Jetfire: Not too sure where people get that he is floopy from, although it could be that catch on his torso that holds the nose of the plane down isn't very strong. It's not weak enough to be considered floppy, on mine at least. Mine is so bad that I'm taking him back, it barely holds at all, and since the armature holding his waist is designed to keep traveling, he is "floppy" to me. I hate this a lot, so much so that I'm probably going to ask for store credit instead of another Jetfire.


His only other low point, is that are some gaps in his mid section. It's not hollow per se like Energon Mirage, there are just some gaps between the chest, back and tail end of the plane. One odd thing is that his back is not straight, but slanted. It looks a little odd, and certainly would have looked better straight. IMO, it's at least as bad as E-Mirage's, and it's so easy to see, even Clocker covers his gappy chest when his arms are down. I loathe how this figure looks from any angle that's not straight-on because of that gap. His slanty back just adds to the trouble, especially the empty way his waist is created.


His wrists turn and can be pushed in the arms. Shoulder movement is good, even though they are the wings of the jet.His wrists don't turn on mine, I thought they did but the arm started coming apart when I did it. His shoulders DID come apart when I was moving them, the wings separate from the hinge piece intentionally to prevent breakage. The shoulders also get right in the way of the backpack gimmick, which was the final nail in this figure's coffin for me.


There's an interesting gimmick with the torso catch. When locked in two small missle pods pop out just below the cockput windows. Really cool. This is pretty cool, I agree, but Takara and Hasbro both apparently went to stingy town and painted only the outer 2 missile pods yellow, leaving the inner 2 unpainted. I would rather they have not painted either if they were going to not do 'em all.


His force chip gimmick is forgettable, all it does is pop up the gun on the tail section. Would have been better of you could swivel it face outwards. Agreed, should have rotated, that would have made it really awesome in fact. The key gimmick also changes the sound effect, though not for the better. (There are 3 sound effects when you press either thruster, when the tail is down and there's no key, it makes a weird whooshing sound, when tail is down and the key is in place it makes no sound, when the tail is up and no key it makes a really old-school electronic toy blaster repeating sound, and with the key it makes a noise somewhat similar to the weird whoosh.)



a bit of a brick in vehicle mode (Overhaul) 'cause the wheels don't roll. Are we talking about the same Overhaul? I think you got a dud, mine rolls like a mad fiend. Wait, maybe you meant Scattorshot, he has micro-wheels under his treads which never is that great.

It's not that they don't move, it's just that with the way "he" sits (on all 4 wheels) they don't roll. He sort of slides along on his undercarriage. Really, Overhaul? You sure? I just rolled mine, he is a champ even on smooth surfaces. I'm not sure I get what you mean about the undercarriage either, he's got decent ground clearance as he's an off-road jeep-type vehicle.


(Jetfire) $25 at my TRUs. I'm in the same boat, I was tempted but couldn't pull the trigger on that much $$ right now. Whoops, was wrong there, he was $30.

Chaddymac
07-08-2005, 12:09 PM
Vyn, that sucks about your Grimmy having 2 right hands! If you contact Hasbro now, there's a good chance they can get you a new one (they only replace stuff like that when they still are making them and they're in stock).

The "asterisk" line sounds too silly for me, but I'll wait and see. I really doubt that'll come out in the US though.

I was looking at some pics of the asterisk line and there are 1 or 2 I'd love to pick up. Apparently, Red Alert is a police car version of the impreza (finally, somebody was paying attention) that comes with what may be a remolded head, or could just be sideswipes head, but it doesn't look like Streak or Smokey. Sunstreaker looks like Dead End. If they DID come out in the states, I'd be all over them, but even the BT version looks cool. Once colored, detailed pics surface, I'm sure I'll be more tempted.

Tycho
07-08-2005, 02:20 PM
My Toys R Us had 3 huge Starscreams. They were like $49 I think.

I thought long and hard about buying this. I'm an Alternators-fan, but we don't have a Starscream and this would be about the right scale size.

The only problem with him is that he's not a "real" jet. The robot looks seriously cool though - and even G1 enough to be almost 85% of the way there.

I left them as I don't know if they'll sell THAT fast, but I'm considering buying him...

I think I'll wait until after Comic Con and bother Hasbro there if they'll be doing Alternator Decepticon Jets ever, their scale, price point, and so forth, such that even a 25th Anniversary Starscream is possible.

I hope I'm not making a mistake. I left Prime behind in the day and if it weren't for El Chuxter, I might never have gotten him. (Chux, let me know if I'm making another mistake ;) )

El Chuxter
07-08-2005, 02:36 PM
I hope I'm not making a mistake. I left Prime behind in the day and if it weren't for El Chuxter, I might never have gotten him. (Chux, let me know if I'm making another mistake ;) )

Couldn't tell ya. lol I saw Starscream myself and passed on him. Too expensive for me at the moment.

darthvyn
07-08-2005, 02:50 PM
Vyn, that sucks about your Grimmy having 2 right hands! If you contact Hasbro now, there's a good chance they can get you a new one (they only replace stuff like that when they still are making them and they're in stock).

i just used their online emailing contact page... we'll see what happens!


I was looking at some pics of the asterisk line and there are 1 or 2 I'd love to pick up. Apparently, Red Alert is a police car version of the impreza (finally, somebody was paying attention) that comes with what may be a remolded head, or could just be sideswipes head, but it doesn't look like Streak or Smokey. Sunstreaker looks like Dead End. If they DID come out in the states, I'd be all over them, but even the BT version looks cool. Once colored, detailed pics surface, I'm sure I'll be more tempted.

where pics!? where!?

i wanna see what they look like. sounds like a funny little gimmick, but whatever. i just want to see how they look...

EDIT: also took some pics of my collection so far... thought i'd throw them up here...

from the left that's shock(wave)blast, tracks, windcharger, wheeljack, smokescreen, prime, silver(blue)streak, hound, (jazz)meister, sideswipe, and (special limited birth-defect edition) grimlock.

Chaddymac
07-08-2005, 04:02 PM
i just used their online emailing contact page... we'll see what happens!



where pics!? where!?

i wanna see what they look like. sounds like a funny little gimmick, but whatever. i just want to see how they look...

EDIT: also took some pics of my collection so far... thought i'd throw them up here...

from the left that's shock(wave)blast, tracks, windcharger, wheeljack, smokescreen, prime, silver(blue)streak, hound, (jazz)meister, sideswipe, and (special limited birth-defect edition) grimlock.
http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/thread77743.html

darthvyn
07-08-2005, 04:26 PM
the red alert wrx looks pretty cool... i may have to go binaltech...

here's more pics of my guys... so you can see the awesome action poses that i have them in!

darthvyn
07-08-2005, 04:29 PM
and the rest...

you can see how i've decided to transform hound with the front wheels back into the front fender wheel wells. he doesn't have waist movement this way, but i think it looks better than the open chest cavity and the wheels just kinda hanging out in the back...

darthvyn
07-08-2005, 04:31 PM
oh, and the big daddy of 'em all!

Chaddymac
07-08-2005, 07:51 PM
oh, and the big daddy of 'em all!
Those ARE pretty sweet. I disagree with your Hound comment, although he looks much better than I would've guessed and, ultimately, its a minor aesthetic difference.

If I get the Asterisk series, I'll switch Red Alert's head with Prowl's head...hopefully.

Chaddymac
07-08-2005, 09:12 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5986259366

JediTricks
07-08-2005, 09:37 PM
Chaddy, there are already pics of the * line? I hadn't seen any yet, I have to see this. Edit: Hmm, not seeing much from those pics, will wait to see more before deciding.


Tycho, TF:Cybertron's Supreme Starscream is $50. I strongly suspect there will be pleny of these for a while to come.



i just used their online emailing contact page... we'll see what happens! I used it replacing an Energon figure that broke, they were pretty quick about it actually. Best of luck.

Intereting choice on Alternators Hound, I love the waist articulation but I may have to dump it in favor of what you did.


BTW, I cut off the tail end of TF:CY Overhaul's projectile, so it ends at the bumper, and it cut off fairly rounded so that worked out pretty well, I tuned it up a little and it even light-pipes slightly. This and tinkering with his arms to get decent poses raised my opinion of the little guy a bit.

Chaddymac
07-08-2005, 11:22 PM
[QUOTE=JediTricks]Chaddy, there are already pics of the * line? I hadn't seen any yet, I have to see this. Edit: Hmm, not seeing much from those pics, will wait to see more before deciding.

I agree, there's not much in those pics, but there's enough to whet the appetite.

But did you see the Ebay link I posted? Alternator SUNSTREAKER!!

Adam
07-09-2005, 01:09 AM
Actually JT, from what I've seen, Saidos is not Armorhide. The basic blue semi truck that is exclusive to Hasbro (untill Takara does its USA Edition BS) seems to be Armorhide. It does fit Saidos better though. We'll find out soon enough I guess.

*EDIT* In fact this EE listing seems to go along with that: http://www.entertainmentearth.com/prodinfo.asp?number=HT80285C&variation=&lg=1&

Also, check this bit of strangeness out: http://www.entertainmentearth.com/prodinfo.asp?number=HT81132AA

TFU Basics? I've seen pictures of Arcee and Strongarm on TFU basic cards, but wasn't sure we'd see them. This whole case seems to be already released figures...

The other half of my order came in, so I now have Crumplezone, Hot Shot, and the basics.

I went to TRU after work today and they actually had everything but the basics.. and I bought everything I don't already have.. weak, I am.

I'll talk about them later.

darthvyn
07-09-2005, 01:37 AM
Intereting choice on Alternators Hound, I love the waist articulation but I may have to dump it in favor of what you did.

yeah, i know you were having some issues with the hollow chest... this fills it up a little bit more...



But did you see the Ebay link I posted? Alternator SUNSTREAKER!!

is that an alternator or a binaltech? the asterisk version?

Chaddymac
07-09-2005, 01:59 AM
yeah, i know you were having some issues with the hollow chest... this fills it up a little bit more...



is that an alternator or a binaltech? the asterisk version?
If you look at the coloring, you can tell it's not diecast but dyed and painted plastic. Besides, Takara protos don't end up on Ebay like Hasbro's do. And, the seller specifically calls it an Alternator. My money's on Hasbro release...

darthvyn
07-09-2005, 07:32 AM
then the question is... will they be released with the drivers, and under an alternators asterisk nameplate, or just as more redecos?

Chaddymac
07-09-2005, 10:58 AM
then the question is... will they be released with the drivers, and under an alternators asterisk nameplate, or just as more redecos?
My guess us, uf this isn't a standard redeco, it's an exclusive of some sort. And there's no telling if the other asterisk BT's will get ported into Alternators, but this one appears to be the real deal. That kinda saves me on one I have to import. Now I just need Red Alert!


EDIT: Oh yeah, I finally got Swerve last night. He's not bad, if a little boring. I took the sticker and slapped it on Tracks, though.

plasticfetish
07-10-2005, 05:23 AM
Are we talking about the same Overhaul? I think you got a dud, mine rolls like a mad fiend. Wait, maybe you meant Scattorshot, he has micro-wheels under his treads which never is that great.

Really, Overhaul? You sure? I just rolled mine, he is a champ even on smooth surfaces. I'm not sure I get what you mean about the undercarriage either, he's got decent ground clearance as he's an off-road jeep-type vehicle.No... you're right, I just put them both back into vehicle mode... and I meant Scattorshot. Who, to be fair, works pretty well if you're not on a really smooth surface. (I fiddled with the arms to get him to sit a little better on his wheels also.)

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Picked up Dirt Boss, he's pretty cool. Saw Megatron, and aside from the $40 price (?!?!) he looked OK. Still waiting to see Optimus Prime...

JediTricks
07-10-2005, 11:47 PM
I saw it Chaddy, but I'm not a huge fan of Sunstreaker so I'm not as excited. ;)

Glad you were able to finally get Swerve, how do the stickers look on Tracks?


Adam, yeah, I saw that Armorhide isn't Saidos just a few minutes ago: http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/default.cfm?page=bios&phase=cybertron&faction=autobot&name=ARMORHIDE

That TFU basics listing is weird as heck, especially because I thought the TFU line was actually finished as well, much less that it'd be doing an Energon hodown.



yeah, i know you were having some issues with the hollow chest... this fills it up a little bit more... And I wasn't even the one with the biggest issue there, IIRC.



No... you're right, I just put them both back into vehicle mode... and I meant Scattorshot. Who, to be fair, works pretty well if you're not on a really smooth surface. (I fiddled with the arms to get him to sit a little better on his wheels also.) Woo! I'm right, I'm right, I'm right!!! YEAH! ;) Alright, that was just too dopey even for me. Ever since the Armada line when Hasbro went back to plastic wheels after the joy of rubber wheels in RiD, there have been far too many wheels that don't work on smooth surfaces.

Chaddymac
07-11-2005, 03:21 PM
I saw it Chaddy, but I'm not a huge fan of Sunstreaker so I'm not as excited. ;)

Glad you were able to finally get Swerve, how do the stickers look on Tracks?


Adam, yeah, I saw that Armorhide isn't Saidos just a few minutes ago: http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/default.cfm?page=bios&phase=cybertron&faction=autobot&name=ARMORHIDE

That TFU basics listing is weird as heck, especially because I thought the TFU line was actually finished as well, much less that it'd be doing an Energon hodown.


And I wasn't even the one with the biggest issue there, IIRC.


Woo! I'm right, I'm right, I'm right!!! YEAH! ;) Alright, that was just too dopey even for me. Ever since the Armada line when Hasbro went back to plastic wheels after the joy of rubber wheels in RiD, there have been far too many wheels that don't work on smooth surfaces.
It looks great, JT! Although, the lack of sticker on Swerve makes him look very, very plain. Although, that just can't be helped in robot mode. He's really a boring figure, but whatever. I'm a completist for these guys!

Did you see the report on Rebelscum that Hasbro may debut a line of Star Wars Transformers? Wow. I can't wait to see THAT!

darthvyn
07-11-2005, 04:29 PM
Did you see the report on Rebelscum that Hasbro may debut a line of Star Wars Transformers? Wow. I can't wait to see THAT!

that's... weird...

so, with the scion xB alternator, i REALLY hope they do a scion tC - since it looks like i will own a tC sometime soon. i don't know if it will happen, though, since it's an american-only car. the xA and xB have toyota counterparts, but the tC doesn't. that makes me believe we will see an xA alt. before we see a tC alt. but i emailed hasbro and told them that i would buy however many variations they made of it. it would be cool to have a transformer of the car you own.

Tycho
07-11-2005, 05:01 PM
Did you see the report on Rebelscum that Hasbro may debut a line of Star Wars Transformers? Wow. I can't wait to see THAT!

That's been an old rumor before.

I wouldn't go for it anyway.

Starscream - X-wing
Megatron - AAT Tank
Optimus Prime - Blockade Runner
Hot Rod - Bail Organa's airspeeder
Ironhide - Sandcrawler

I mean it starts to get ridiculous....

Rebel Alliance Fighters would likely best character fit Decepticon Jets....

Scale would all get thrown out the window from vehicle and robot modes both.

I think that's a bad idea.

JediTricks
07-12-2005, 01:47 AM
Did you see the report on Rebelscum that Hasbro may debut a line of Star Wars Transformers? Wow. I can't wait to see THAT!
I saw the report, I bet it'll just be a 1-shot item, but it'd be interesting to see what could be done, there's been years of speculation on this.


Vyn, I hope you're right, the tC is pretty nifty while they xA is pretty unappealing IMO (it's basically a scaled-down Toyota Matrix).



That's been an old rumor before. I wouldn't go for it anyway.

Starscream - X-wing
Megatron - AAT Tank
Optimus Prime - Blockade Runner
Hot Rod - Bail Organa's airspeeder
Ironhide - Sandcrawler

I mean it starts to get ridiculous.... Rebel Alliance Fighters would likely best character fit Decepticon Jets.... Scale would all get thrown out the window from vehicle and robot modes both. I think that's a bad idea. Jeez, thanks for the comments Captain Killjoy. :ermm: That from the guy who buys all those ugly Jedi Force figures.

Adam
07-12-2005, 02:13 AM
http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/attachment.php?attachmentid=8914

According to: http://www.yodasnews.com/ the logo should be flipped with Star Wars on the top.


Honestly I can't decide whether I'm A) Curious B) Horrified C) Both A and B.

darthvyn
07-12-2005, 07:11 AM
Vyn, I hope you're right, the tC is pretty nifty while they xA is pretty unappealing IMO (it's basically a scaled-down Toyota Matrix).

yeah, i actually have a feeling the xA shares it's platform with both the daewoo kalos and the chevy aveo... all three (especially the kalos and the aveo) share the same proportions and general shape. the xA is just a little pointier. however, i do believe the xA would make a good substitution candidate for the beetle for bumblebee!

but i would be all over a tC alt. like a sauce! i'm going to test-drive one sometime this week, and most likely order one by august.
the fact that there's no japanese counterpart has me doubtful, though. hasbro should grow a set and make a hasbro-exclusive mold for the tC...

the best thing for hasbro is that the scion line is based on customization, so there's endless versions of each of these guys they could do, and people would eat them up, even those that don't already collect them... i'm on the forums at scionlife.com and there's a thread there about the xB alt. everyone's frothing at the mouth over there! the biggest thing the alts have going for them is cross-demographic appeal. i've bought a couple of them for people who either own the cars they're based on or really love the cars they're based on. my friend has a wrx, so i got him smokescreen, and another friend had and still loves wranglers, so i snagged her swindle - before i got him, even! everyone should have a transformer based on their car!

Chaddymac
07-12-2005, 09:10 AM
yeah, i actually have a feeling the xA shares it's platform with both the daewoo kalos and the chevy aveo... all three (especially the kalos and the aveo) share the same proportions and general shape. the xA is just a little pointier. however, i do believe the xA would make a good substitution candidate for the beetle for bumblebee!

but i would be all over a tC alt. like a sauce! i'm going to test-drive one sometime this week, and most likely order one by august.
the fact that there's no japanese counterpart has me doubtful, though. hasbro should grow a set and make a hasbro-exclusive mold for the tC...

the best thing for hasbro is that the scion line is based on customization, so there's endless versions of each of these guys they could do, and people would eat them up, even those that don't already collect them... i'm on the forums at scionlife.com and there's a thread there about the xB alt. everyone's frothing at the mouth over there! the biggest thing the alts have going for them is cross-demographic appeal. i've bought a couple of them for people who either own the cars they're based on or really love the cars they're based on. my friend has a wrx, so i got him smokescreen, and another friend had and still loves wranglers, so i snagged her swindle - before i got him, even! everyone should have a transformer based on their car!
Hey Vyn. Does she want another Swindle? There are 6 taking up space at my Target. There were only 4 last week...I think they're procreating...

darthvyn
07-12-2005, 07:03 PM
i don't think she'll need another swindle, but i'll need one to keep up my collection. i'll let you know if i need one, i see him every once in a while around these parts...

JediTricks
07-13-2005, 01:14 AM
Vyn, I don't think Hasbro will ever do a US-only mold, simply because the mold creation costs on this line have supposedly been outrageously high. Still, now that Toyota has canned the Celica (Supra too?), the tC is all they got in coolsville at the moment, plus that sliding glass roof seems really slick.


Check it, Galaxy Force's CGI for Soundwave: http://www.maj.com/gallery/esrz22/TFS/gf-soundwave-1.jpg
I like it a lot, but not really seeing why a stealth fighter would make an understandable stand-in for a tape deck. Hopefully, Soundwave's little pal there will also be a removable drone in alt mode.


TF:CY Vector Prime - Returned broken Jetfire and got my $$$ back, bought VP and had a ten spot besides. Paint on this figure really should have been better, one of the oddest things here is Hasbro's version of the dark maroon is way darker than the Takara version and thus doesn't look as nice, it's just "brown" now. Warped rubbery wings are a bit of a downer, other than that everything's ship-shape, as it were. Decent if not outstanding alt mode with too much leg kibble going on underneath, wings can change angles which is cool, minicon is a bit simplistic (even for a minicon), sword is pretty rubbery but has a very nifty sculpt, transformation is negligible, bot mode is pretty good, tall ancient knight look does work, and articulation is good but definitely needed upper-arm rotation. Sound effects are lame and you have to add your own batteries, so I removed the batteries I had just added. The 1st arm sound is lifted straight from the photon torpedoes on Star Trek: The Next Generation, I believe specifically from the Playmates Enterprise-D toy or the Ent-D bridge playset. Shockingly, this is the ONLY Cybertron figure so far that I own which doesn't have any physical gimmick tied to the cyber planet key, and this I think hurts it most of all in my eyes. Bottom line, he's ok, but feels $5 overpriced; probably makes a better display figure than a toy.

darthvyn
07-13-2005, 06:44 AM
Vyn, I don't think Hasbro will ever do a US-only mold, simply because the mold creation costs on this line have supposedly been outrageously high. Still, now that Toyota has canned the Celica (Supra too?), the tC is all they got in coolsville at the moment, plus that sliding glass roof seems really slick.

wel, one can hope, can't one? personally i think that the popularity of the car would offset the cost of mold production, but i'm not a corporate big-wig. i mean, scion expected to deliver around 100,000 and ended up producing and delivering over 150,000. if everyone who has one bought an alternator based on the tC mold... you do the math...l

dude, everything about that car is slick... i'll post some pics when i get mine! :D


Check it, Galaxy Force's CGI for Soundwave: http://www.maj.com/gallery/esrz22/TFS/gf-soundwave-1.jpg
I like it a lot, but not really seeing why a stealth fighter would make an understandable stand-in for a tape deck. Hopefully, Soundwave's little pal there will also be a removable drone in alt mode.

he looks like a gundam. i don't understand the stealth fighter version, either. i could understand maybe an SR-71 (super-sonic spy plane. faster than the speed of sound, and picks up soundwaves from the enemy...) but i always saw soundwave as more passive, non-combat support material.

Tycho
07-13-2005, 09:28 AM
Hey guys! I'm going to meet Optimus Prime and take my picture with him!

Galactic Hunter took some pictures from the Comic Con floor as they're setting up and one of the shots shows a full size semi-truck with a red cab and Autobot insignia markings having been parked in the middle of Comic Con's floor!

I'm going over today for preview night (if I can stay long enough to get in - I have a council session tonight and my vote is very important to redevelopment issues in my district so I won't be able to really take time off for Comic Con until Thursday, which is the first full day anyway).

So they may not let me onto the floor by 6pm tonight which is the latest I may be able to stay if I want my dinner before the next council session.

If I can get in early (the Convention Center is run by our tourism bureau and I think I can pull some favors), I'll post my picture with Optimus Prime here if I can.

Do you guys have any questions for him? I'll try and get an exclusive SSG interview!

Questions I was thinking of:

How many miles to an energon cube do you get?

Do you ever take out the Autobot Matrix of Leadership just to play with it or watch it glow in the dark?

Are the Decepticons really behind the War in Iraq?

Does Hot Rod get on your nerves?

How's Roller these days? Will he do an interview?

Do you think Arcee's the hottest Auto-Babe or is there another?

If you could transform into an enormous egg-beater, would that take care of the Quintisans?

How much do Sunstreaker and Tracks owe in unpaid parking tickets for time spent admiring themselves?


Can you guys think of any other ones?

kool-aid killer
07-13-2005, 10:44 AM
JT, i like that picture of Soundwave, thats another figure i will be getting. I think his look fits in with Starscreams too. Im just hoping that in future figure releases they include more of his little comrades.

Chaddymac
07-13-2005, 12:37 PM
JT, i like that picture of Soundwave, thats another figure i will be getting. I think his look fits in with Starscreams too. Im just hoping that in future figure releases they include more of his little comrades.
Yeah, I enjoy the look. Conceptually, it's not perfect, but it IS really neat. And I agree with kool-aid: I would love to see more of his minions.

Does that pic show the mini-TF fitting in his chest? Oh, that's too cool.

JediTricks
07-13-2005, 07:12 PM
wel, one can hope, can't one? Whatever floats yer boat. ;)


he looks like a gundam. 'Cause of the long legs?

i don't understand the stealth fighter version, either. i could understand maybe an SR-71 (super-sonic spy plane. faster than the speed of sound, and picks up soundwaves from the enemy...) but i always saw soundwave as more passive, non-combat support material. Yeah, I saw him that way as well. And someone made the argument that this Soundwave is supersonic so that counts, but the F-117a he's based off of is a subsonic fighter.


Im just hoping that in future figure releases they include more of his little comrades. With the addition of Minicons to Transformers, I cannot imagine them NOT doing more of them, but the US has been burned on Soundwave's little buddies before.


Does that pic show the mini-TF fitting in his chest? Oh, that's too cool. Well, it shows Soundwave's chest open, and the little buddy looks like he transforms into something rectangular, so I'm hoping...



After writing my mini-review (well, mini compared to my usual review sizes) of Vector Prime last night, I got to thinking about the fact that he appears to be the only TF:CY figure in the line so far who has a Cyber Planet Key that doesn't do any sort of physical gimmick, and the electronic audio gimmick it does is really minor as well.

Then I started looking more carefully at the key and the slot it plugs into, it covers the figure's concave dish chest, in the center of that dish is a round, red dome, and the key slot itself has that isosceles-trapezoidal cut-out which most of the other keys have but VP's key in fact does not - other keys also seem to be the same diameter across as the chest dish. This might be because originally Vector Prime was supposed to have another gimmick which was abandoned, possibly that the red dome in the middle of his chest might have originally been intended to be a light, and when you plugged a key into his chest (besides his own which isn't see-through in the middle, unlike all the others), the chest would illuminate the key. That would have been a much more worthwhile Planet Key gimmick I think.

Adam
07-13-2005, 10:44 PM
Looks like the rumored Starscream (small version) vs. Vector Prime two pack is true.. damn! Now I wished I hadn't bought VP and waited for this.

El Chuxter
07-15-2005, 08:44 AM
Skids looks sweet in person! Can't wait for him.

I also confirmed with the Hasbro rep that the Alternators line is not dying out with Skids, but due to the licensing they're not at liberty to divulge specifics.

And the huge red semi-truck. . . Hasbro folk say it's a red herring to build up hype. I doubt it. I think after the Hasbro presentation today, that tarp's coming off.

If you get by the con, be sure to check out his mud-flaps. There's a silhouette of Elita One vamping it up :D:beard:

Adam
07-15-2005, 06:40 PM
Hasbro also said they WILL be introducing larger Alternators. :D

JediTricks
07-15-2005, 08:04 PM
Looks like the rumored Starscream (small version) vs. Vector Prime two pack is true.. damn! Now I wished I hadn't bought VP and waited for this.
Yeah, I saw that in the figures.com photos and on tformers. I studied the box, Starscream gets no electronics (packaging says 2 AAA batteries required, which is what VP needs, and on the back only VP gets mention of electronic features) or any other changes from the Japanese GF Starscream though except for that metallic paint (which does look pretty nice in the photos, but I've been burned on Hasbro prototype paint jobs way too many times now). I just bought VP obviously, and since I bought GF Starscream months ago, I really have no use for this pack.

It's a pretty crummy 2pack IMO, if it had something more special or unique in there than a just-released figure, they probably could have pried money out of my hands, and it certainly won't feel good for collectors who just bought VP.

Chaddymac
07-15-2005, 09:04 PM
Yeah, I saw that in the figures.com photos and on tformers. I studied the box, Starscream gets no electronics (packaging says 2 AAA batteries required, which is what VP needs, and on the back only VP gets mention of electronic features) or any other changes from the Japanese GF Starscream though except for that metallic paint (which does look pretty nice in the photos, but I've been burned on Hasbro prototype paint jobs way too many times now). I just bought VP obviously, and since I bought GF Starscream months ago, I really have no use for this pack.

It's a pretty crummy 2pack IMO, if it had something more special or unique in there than a just-released figure, they probably could have pried money out of my hands, and it certainly won't feel good for collectors who just bought VP.
Well, Starscream IS new to American shores, just like the miniprime and megs from Energon were new. They got my cash for that exclusive and they'll get my cash for this one. Mostly because I didn't get VP yet and this release looks to be free of the bent-wing issue. wootini!

JediTricks
07-15-2005, 10:09 PM
If they had packed Starscream alone or Starscream with another non-US figure, they likely would have gotten my money too, but Vector Prime is really my breaking point since I own him already, GF Screamer or not.

Tycho
07-16-2005, 03:49 AM
I talked with Hasbro today on Transformers for quite a while.

They also swapped me out my Hound with the broken door for their display model of him. I almost got a rare production model of him during the process. But we noticed the headlights were a different color, etc. So I had to Transform mine into the Jeep and trade them for their showcase Jeep so as to keep their showcase consistent with showing each character in robot and vehicle mode. Well I was getting stumped a little without the instructions - like on how to do his feet and what moves without breaking him (by forcing anything) A 3rd guy (just another collector / customer) had to help both myself and Jeremy from Hasbro out. Another dude from Hasbro was laughing saying we'd failed the time-test.

They asked me (with no reason I'd prompted it) if I bought the repaints (ie. Grimlock, Wheeljack). I told them I did not. That I've bought 1 of each sculpt. Skids might be re-released as Ironhide in the future, and I'd been honest with them: I love the design (as Chuxter indicated - it's cool!) but I may wait and get it as Ironhide instead. (They said they are going to add flame decales to Skids in the final production piece. However the mold will not represent Rodimus Prime.)

They basically interviewed me a bit. I said I was after G1 primary characters that were featured in the cartoon show prominantly: Ironhide, BumbleBee, amongst others I forgot to mention (like Mirage, who I totally should have brought up). Volkswagon is still not budging by the way.

I told them I would buy repaints of Decepticon Jets for the Alternators line. They want to do them and they said they don't need a special occasion to do Starscream at that size in a special collectors' issue that might cost more if it's going to be on scale with the regular Alternators line.

There's more but I'm so tired. These conventions get really exhausting.

I'll post more soon.

Chaddymac
07-17-2005, 12:31 PM
I talked with Hasbro today on Transformers for quite a while.

They also swapped me out my Hound with the broken door for their display model of him. I almost got a rare production model of him during the process. But we noticed the headlights were a different color, etc. So I had to Transform mine into the Jeep and trade them for their showcase Jeep so as to keep their showcase consistent with showing each character in robot and vehicle mode. Well I was getting stumped a little without the instructions - like on how to do his feet and what moves without breaking him (by forcing anything) A 3rd guy (just another collector / customer) had to help both myself and Jeremy from Hasbro out. Another dude from Hasbro was laughing saying we'd failed the time-test.

They asked me (with no reason I'd prompted it) if I bought the repaints (ie. Grimlock, Wheeljack). I told them I did not. That I've bought 1 of each sculpt. Skids might be re-released as Ironhide in the future, and I'd been honest with them: I love the design (as Chuxter indicated - it's cool!) but I may wait and get it as Ironhide instead. (They said they are going to add flame decales to Skids in the final production piece. However the mold will not represent Rodimus Prime.)

They basically interviewed me a bit. I said I was after G1 primary characters that were featured in the cartoon show prominantly: Ironhide, BumbleBee, amongst others I forgot to mention (like Mirage, who I totally should have brought up). Volkswagon is still not budging by the way.

I told them I would buy repaints of Decepticon Jets for the Alternators line. They want to do them and they said they don't need a special occasion to do Starscream at that size in a special collectors' issue that might cost more if it's going to be on scale with the regular Alternators line.

There's more but I'm so tired. These conventions get really exhausting.

I'll post more soon.
Damn. I love the remolds. I really hope they don't decide to stop releasing other characters simply because they'd just be remolds. Or not bring over the asterisk line because collectors "wouldn't be interested."

JediTricks
07-17-2005, 04:51 PM
Yeah, I know Tycho is passionate about Hasbro Star Wars and Transformers, but I kinda wish they wouldn't listen to him because his collecting habits are WAY outside the norm in both lines.

I am tired of Hasbro talking big game about the Alternators jets, stop yapping about them and just DO IT!!! How many times do they have to make a claim in this department that they don't later back up?


BTW, this week's ep of TF:CY slipped way back into Armada/Energon territory. The kids are obnoxious (though that goof that was a shot at E's Kicker was a little funny) and Dolt, I mean "Jolt", he was supremely dopey and annoying. And how stupid is it that Vector Prime, Optimus, and the Autobots are digging out in the open and then fighting Thundercrackah & Starscream, but even though Jetfire is already nearly to where Bud & Scattorshot are in space and the Autobots are getting beat down by the 'Cons, VP tells "Massive Attack Mode" Optimus to go help Jetfire save Bud & Scattorshot instead. Plus, Scattorshot & Bud are thousands of miles away from this battle's location yet both the space bridge bubble AND Jetfire end up getting hit by STRAY fire from that battle.

Tycho
07-18-2005, 12:57 AM
Yeah, I know Tycho is passionate about Hasbro Star Wars and Transformers, but I kinda wish they wouldn't listen to him because his collecting habits are WAY outside the norm in both lines.


Oh come on! I have great ideas. In mixing with Hasbro close to closing time one night, I suggested we get some drinks and discuss Mouse Droid 6 packs, as well as Transformers that convert into Mouse Droids.

A few drinks later I got the impression that the new Mouse Droid Universe Line will first be officially announced later this summer at Wizard Con!

We also put a bow tie on Hound (mine that had broken and that I'd traded back - if anyone noticed what he was wearing the last day in the showcase) and it was suggested that a new line of accessory clothing for Transformers might work to bring new excitement and cross-gender interest into play with the toys. For lack of a better name, the new Autobot / Decepticon clothing line will be called the Transvestors! Hasbro hopes this newly designed line will offer an alternative to Mattel's Barbie and SideShow's authentic clothing for their dolls. No other toy manufacturer is making robots that wear clothes. I pointed to General Grievous and his bodyguards' success with this.

It all makes sense to me. :crazed:

plasticfetish
07-18-2005, 02:39 AM
Transvestors!Hahahahahaha!!!

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I missed the last ep. of Cybertron on Saturday.

I asked (Aaron Archer) why CN decided to screw us (didn't use those words) out of the first few episodes, making the first episode that they did show us so confusing. He said something about CN wanting to kick things off with an exciting episode. (I suppose the lack of a decent introduction or any kind of backstory does make for an exciting show.)

Saw the whole line of figures in person. Those beast type figures look good -- I'm sold on those.

I'm also sold on that miniature line of Cybertron figures. They're going for about $2.99 and we picked up two of them -- Optimus and Megatron -- and they're really fun. A great idea and a great price.

Chaddymac
07-18-2005, 08:35 AM
Oh come on! I have great ideas. In mixing with Hasbro close to closing time one night, I suggested we get some drinks and discuss Mouse Droid 6 packs, as well as Transformers that convert into Mouse Droids.

A few drinks later I got the impression that the new Mouse Droid Universe Line will first be officially announced later this summer at Wizard Con!

We also put a bow tie on Hound (mine that had broken and that I'd traded back - if anyone noticed what he was wearing the last day in the showcase) and it was suggested that a new line of accessory clothing for Transformers might work to bring new excitement and cross-gender interest into play with the toys. For lack of a better name, the new Autobot / Decepticon clothing line will be called the Transvestors! Hasbro hopes this newly designed line will offer an alternative to Mattel's Barbie and SideShow's authentic clothing for their dolls. No other toy manufacturer is making robots that wear clothes. I pointed to General Grievous and his bodyguards' success with this.

It all makes sense to me. :crazed:
You made me laugh Tycho...but I'll still kill you if they decide not to bring over the Asterisk line because of you ;)

I agree about the Cybertron minis. I'm probably not going to buy most of the larger versions of these figures, but the mini versions are incredibly fun with very little investment. I bought the whole first wave and, with the free Skywarp giveaway, they make for a really great set. If the rumors of Thundercracker coming to BotCon are true, I've got an extra to trade. It'd be awesome to have a War Within inspired seeker force!

JediTricks
07-20-2005, 12:18 AM
I'm so sick of Archer's answers, if he's Hasbro's main guy he should have stood up to Cartoon Network on that issue.

Chaddymac
07-20-2005, 01:31 AM
I'm so sick of Archer's answers, if he's Hasbro's main guy he should have stood up to Cartoon Network on that issue.
You have to understand: Archer is a tool. He wasn't always a tool. He used to be the fandom's greatest asset. Then Hasbro pulled a Manchurian Candidate on him and now he's a tool.

plasticfetish
07-20-2005, 02:59 AM
I'm so sick of Archer's answers, if he's Hasbro's main guy he should have stood up to Cartoon Network on that issue.I honestly don't think he expected me to ask him that. I kind of jumped from, "What's up with the movie and are you guys still focusing on designing toys for it like you told me last year?" to... "Hey, the Cybertron line looks like a lot of fun, I'm much more enthusiastic about it than I was about Armada and Energon." to... "So, what happened to the first few episodes of the cartoon and do you think maybe the show can stay on at a time when somebody might want to watch it?"

I've discovered that I can pretty much ask any question that I want, if I follow it up by pointing to my son and saying, "Well, he loves this stuff, so I suppose you guys are doing something right." (At which point someone from Hasbro pops in from around the corner and says, "That's what we like to hear!") :neutral:

Chaddymac
07-20-2005, 10:55 AM
I've discovered that I can pretty much ask any question that I want, if I follow it up by pointing to my son and saying, "Well, he loves this stuff, so I suppose you guys are doing something right." (At which point someone from Hasbro pops in from around the corner and says, "That's what we like to hear!") :neutral:

ha, ha hahaha

JediTricks
07-20-2005, 08:01 PM
I know Archer is a tool, but as a tool of Hasbro he should at least be looking out for THEIR best frickin' interests!!! By letting CN get away with this, he has basically shot Hasbro in the face.


PF, if you can keep them off-guard long enough to get straight answers out of them by using your kid as cover, I say "get more children, STAT!" :D

"That's what we like to hear" - corporate doublespeak for "we pretend we know what we're doing and when anybody bolsters that erroneous belief of ours, we appreciate them not scratching at the wet-sand foundation of our lies."

plasticfetish
07-20-2005, 11:17 PM
PF, if you can keep them off-guard long enough to get straight answers out of them by using your kid as cover, I say "get more children, STAT!" :DThe next step is to coach the kid to ask all of the questions. :)

Tycho
07-21-2005, 01:32 AM
I had to put Wheeljack down tonight.

Even with the instructions, I can't figure out how to get his arms inside for the car mode.

I'll come back to him tomorrow when I've rested and don't feel so frustrated.

It's the sign that he's a good Transformer though - like a puzzle, Wheeljack presents a challenge.

darthvyn
07-21-2005, 06:30 AM
I had to put Wheeljack down tonight.


it sounds like you had a horse with a broken leg! he's complex, but just play around with the arms: fold them up, turn them around, until the doors look like they are in the right position to join up with the rest of the car. i know i had a lot of time spent in figuring out how to fold up the arms without popping the doors off their hinges...

kool-aid killer
07-21-2005, 11:22 AM
I havent found any new Alternators in some time, my last one was Grimlock. But im hoping the asterisk line will be brought over here, i want Sunstreaker more than any other Autobot.

Been seeing Cybertron figures pop up more and more, i think Optimus looks awesome but really dont have the cash to drop on him. Once ROTS slows down a bit more i may direct those dollars towards the Cyber figs i dig, like the beasts.

darthvyn
07-21-2005, 01:03 PM
TRU the other day had celophaned together smokescreen and sideswipe for $20 together. i was almost tempted to get them, but then i was like "what would i do with them?"

could make some customs, though...

JediTricks
07-21-2005, 09:12 PM
More photos of Galaxy Force Soundwave:

Design sketches: http://www.fantofan.jp/earlybirdsp/gx-02.jpg

Actual toy: http://www.fantofan.jp/earlybirdsp/gx-02b.jpg

Better photo of toy: http://www.fantofan.jp/earlybirdsp/gx-02c.jpg

The base plastic color reminds me of G2 Dreadwing, as does the over-the-shoulder multi-missile cannon, and they're both stealths. Dunno what the targeting window is about. Seems the cannon and the little lazerbeak-type pal turn into hexagonal jet thrusters reminiscent of G1 Soundwave's battery accessories, seems pretty cool to me.


As for Wheeljack's arms, is the problem you're having related to the shoulders? That's where I had the most confusion on Grimlock, once I figured out that they're an odd folding situation, it was cake getting 'em back into alt mode.

Personally, I think a Transformer should be only so complicated when transforming the figure, otherwise it becomes fragile and not fun to play with.



Been seeing Cybertron figures pop up more and more, i think Optimus looks awesome but really dont have the cash to drop on him. Once ROTS slows down a bit more i may direct those dollars towards the Cyber figs i dig, like the beasts. Optimus is really nifty, I mess with him the most at this point, transforming him or just reposing him or even just opening and closing that mouthplate. What I really think will be interesting will be the add-on figures, OP's jetpack is hollow to accomodate his folded-up arms so that other figures can be transformed into super arms - the first one is a lion, in case you didn't know.


Vyn, I must admit, I too was tempted by that 2pack even though I own both of 'em.

Tycho
07-21-2005, 10:17 PM
As for Wheeljack's arms, is the problem you're having related to the shoulders? That's where I had the most confusion on Grimlock, once I figured out that they're an odd folding situation, it was cake getting 'em back into alt mode.

Personally, I think a Transformer should be only so complicated when transforming the figure, otherwise it becomes fragile and not fun to play with.

Exactly what it was. I figured it out this morning when I took a fresh look at it. Many of the Alternators are very delicate with very complicated transformations. I like the complicated part so that they are not just "Go-Bots" but I don't like being scared that I'm going to break something.

JediTricks
07-24-2005, 08:32 PM
Perhaps I have mentioned before that I think TF:Cybertron's Ransack has his rear wheel on wrong, well yesterday I saw the design sketch for the vehicle at the Hasbro site and it confirmed this, so I tapped out the hinges and swapped the wheel arms, now it looks WAY better and I'm significantly happier with the alt mode. I took some photos and wasted my whole day putting a page together explaining it:

http://www.geocities.com/jeditricks/ransack/

Before, I was sure I wouldn't buy any repaints of this figure, but now I think I will since I know how to fix them. It'd be nice if Hasbro just did it right though. :p

Chaddymac
07-24-2005, 10:51 PM
Perhaps I have mentioned before that I think TF:Cybertron's Ransack has his rear wheel on wrong, well yesterday I saw the design sketch for the vehicle at the Hasbro site and it confirmed this, so I tapped out the hinges and swapped the wheel arms, now it looks WAY better and I'm significantly happier with the alt mode. I took some photos and wasted my whole day putting a page together explaining it:

http://www.geocities.com/jeditricks/ransack/

Before, I was sure I wouldn't buy any repaints of this figure, but now I think I will since I know how to fix them. It'd be nice if Hasbro just did it right though. :p
that's pretty neat. Now if only I could FIND mine so I could try it. I know I shoved him in a box or drawer SOMEWHERE, but I can't seem to figure out where...

El Chuxter
07-25-2005, 12:14 PM
I picked up the reissue Inferno and Grapple yesterday for $6.99 each at TRU! :D I passed on Hoist for $8.50 since I figured the two obvious repaints with decent robot modes would look fairly in place with what I want to do with my Alternators once I get a spot for them set up.

And, despite my usual good luck with Alternators, I've yet to see Swerve. Will he still be shipping when Prowl and Decepticharge come out?

darthvyn
07-25-2005, 04:57 PM
picked up alt. ravage and broke down and opened the swindle i had bought for a friend. ravage is cool. no surprises here, but swindle is a different story. it's funny how a couple of different parts and a different head can affect the attitude of this mold. hound looks like a tool (even though he's totally cool, he's supposed to be a tool...) whereas swindle comes off bad***.

his tires are too large to do the "stuff them back in the chest" thing, however, which just makes him appear that much different from hound.

on that note, who here positions stuff differently on remolds? in the pix i posted a couple posts back, you can see a difference in how i position the doors on shockwave as opposed to jazz, and on silverstreak as opposed to smokescreen... now on ravage, i have him with the rocket launchers up, but on tracks i have them folded back.


And, despite my usual good luck with Alternators, I've yet to see Swerve. Will he still be shipping when Prowl and Decepticharge come out?

jeez, man... you're already looking for swerve... in terms of finding cool toys, i hate living in the slow south...

matthewilw
07-25-2005, 07:32 PM
Not sure if anyone would be interested in this, but I found an ebay auction for 11 alternators for a mere $100, plus shipping of course(which is very reasonable.) I would buy these myself, but just don't have the money right now.

Hope someone else can benefit from this.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5989496654&category=753&ssPageName=WDVW&rd=1

Better hurry though, I doubt it will last long.

Chaddymac
07-25-2005, 07:52 PM
Not sure if anyone would be interested in this, but I found an ebay auction for 11 alternators for a mere $100, plus shipping of course(which is very reasonable.) I would buy these myself, but just don't have the money right now.

Hope someone else can benefit from this.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5989496654&category=753&ssPageName=WDVW&rd=1

Better hurry though, I doubt it will last long.
gone, but it wasn't me. Too bad it was missing Tracks, though. THAT woulda been hawt.

Adam
07-26-2005, 02:55 PM
JT did you post your Ransack fix on other boards? Just curious as to how it got to 2005. http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/showthread.php?t=78876&page=1&pp=15

JediTricks
07-27-2005, 02:20 AM
I posted it on BWTF, the only other forums where I discuss Transformers, and I emailed Dave van Domelen about it when I put up the page because he's been a top-notch solid resource for my TF collecting for almost as long as I've been on the web (and because it was his posting of the Ransack Cyber Key code and mention of the design sketch it unlocked in his review which finally got me off my butt on the project) so I thought he deserved to know about it first. I just checked my Geocities stats, the Allspark forums also have a thread about it, got over 200 views from these sources at this point. I am glad to see some of the folks on tfw2005 were able to get this to work out, though Mike's brother's situation is really odd and I cannot imagine what that stems from. "TSFC" claims that both companies are making a fix on this, but nobody else has confirmed it or made much mention of it.

Anyway, I'm glad the word is out on this, it's my opinion that this makes the alt mode much better, and in turn makes the figure overall better. I just wish it was an easier fix, why Hasbro used a pin-hinge instead of a simpler bump-hinge is totally beyond me.

Chaddymac
07-27-2005, 08:41 AM
I posted it on BWTF, the only other forums where I discuss Transformers, and I emailed Dave van Domelen about it when I put up the page because he's been a top-notch solid resource for my TF collecting for almost as long as I've been on the web (and because it was his posting of the Ransack Cyber Key code and mention of the design sketch it unlocked in his review which finally got me off my butt on the project) so I thought he deserved to know about it first. I just checked my Geocities stats, the Allspark forums also have a thread about it, got over 200 views from these sources at this point. I am glad to see some of the folks on tfw2005 were able to get this to work out, though Mike's brother's situation is really odd and I cannot imagine what that stems from. "TSFC" claims that both companies are making a fix on this, but nobody else has confirmed it or made much mention of it.

Anyway, I'm glad the word is out on this, it's my opinion that this makes the alt mode much better, and in turn makes the figure overall better. I just wish it was an easier fix, why Hasbro used a pin-hinge instead of a simpler bump-hinge is totally beyond me.
Found the wave 2 scouts at Target in Culver City. I think they're prepping for the reopening. I also think they had all the wave 1 deluxes/scouts/voyagers/leaders plus Supreamer, but I'm not paying that close attention to what's in each wave. I bought the minicons (love new minicons) and clocker because he looks like he could be a G1 season 3 bot. He's fun, but his wheels don't actually touch the ground. He'd be cooler if he were a hover car...then he'd be very blurrish.

Adam
07-27-2005, 03:00 PM
Override/Red Alert are out as well.

JediTricks
07-27-2005, 07:30 PM
Chaddy, I'm surprised to hear Clocker has problems, my Galaxy Force version "Skids" has no problems with his wheels all touching the ground, and I hear that Clocker also has his front end come apart easily sometimes as well, again not a problem mine has.

I'm really antsy to get the wave 2 basics and deluxes that are showing up now.

Chaddymac
07-27-2005, 11:34 PM
Chaddy, I'm surprised to hear Clocker has problems, my Galaxy Force version "Skids" has no problems with his wheels all touching the ground, and I hear that Clocker also has his front end come apart easily sometimes as well, again not a problem mine has.

I'm really antsy to get the wave 2 basics and deluxes that are showing up now.
I'm probably transforming him wrong. Or he sucks. Who knows. I still can't find my Gasket. I have NO idea where I put him.

El Chuxter
07-28-2005, 10:22 AM
My wife found me a Swerve yesterday, so I'm up to date on my Alternators.

So far, I've only opened Sideswipe, Smokescreen, and Prime (he's an Alternator in all but the name).

I'm planning to display them altogether, with at least one vehicle per sculpt. Who's in what mode depends on who looks best.

Sideswipe/Dead End is easy. Dead End's the better looking car, and Sideswipe's already in robot form.

Smokescreen/Silverstreak is a bit less easy, since Smokescreen's the obvious choice for vehicle mode. A bit less easy since now I have to spend another hour transforming him. :)

Shockwaveblast and Meister, I'm leaning toward Shockblast, regardless of my love for Jazz.

Decepticharge is an obvious choice for car mode over Windcharger.

Wheeljack will remain a car over Grimlock, since Wheeljack would look stupid with a sword.

Which leaves (unless I'm missing someone) Hound/Swindle and Tracks/Swerve/Ravage.

Hound/Swindle, no idea.

Ravage's head is so weird that he warrants a robot form display. But for the other two, well, I'm not sure about. Swerve looks best as a vehicle, but I can't remember if Tracks has those cool exhaust pipe cannon things on his arm or not.

Any thoughts?

Chaddymac
07-28-2005, 11:29 AM
My wife found me a Swerve yesterday, so I'm up to date on my Alternators.

So far, I've only opened Sideswipe, Smokescreen, and Prime (he's an Alternator in all but the name).

I'm planning to display them altogether, with at least one vehicle per sculpt. Who's in what mode depends on who looks best.

Sideswipe/Dead End is easy. Dead End's the better looking car, and Sideswipe's already in robot form.

Smokescreen/Silverstreak is a bit less easy, since Smokescreen's the obvious choice for vehicle mode. A bit less easy since now I have to spend another hour transforming him. :)

Shockwaveblast and Meister, I'm leaning toward Shockblast, regardless of my love for Jazz.

Decepticharge is an obvious choice for car mode over Windcharger.

Wheeljack will remain a car over Grimlock, since Wheeljack would look stupid with a sword.

Which leaves (unless I'm missing someone) Hound/Swindle and Tracks/Swerve/Ravage.

Hound/Swindle, no idea.

Ravage's head is so weird that he warrants a robot form display. But for the other two, well, I'm not sure about. Swerve looks best as a vehicle, but I can't remember if Tracks has those cool exhaust pipe cannon things on his arm or not.

Any thoughts?
Tracks does have the cool exhaust pipe things on his arms, but they aren't metallic red like they are on Ravage, which I think is hot. If you put the flame decal on him instead of Swerve, I say he should be in vehicle mode. That said, he definitely has the better robot mode compared to Swerve. Frankly, Swerve's just not a great figure when you put it all together. If you put the flame decal on him, I guess he'd be the best choice for vehicle and Tracks for robot.

All my Alts are in vehicle mode. I just feel like, you know, they're robots in disguise. So, they stay in disguise.

darthvyn
07-28-2005, 05:27 PM
that's funny, because i have 'em all in bot mode right now.

if you're looking to display bots with cars, i would put my vote in for ravage to be a car, since he's the only drop-top corvette, tracks to be in bot mode, because he looks really cool, and then send me swerve so you don't have the headache of deciding which mode to put him in. ;) no, i would say leave swerve in car mode as well.

as for hound and swindle, hound in car mode, swindle in bot. swindle looks so much cooler than hound as the bot, and the jeep always looks cool.

JediTricks
07-29-2005, 01:55 PM
I'm probably transforming him wrong. Or he sucks. Who knows. I still can't find my Gasket. I have NO idea where I put him. I don't think you're transforming him wrong, I'm seeing this same complaint from other reviews. The Galaxy Force version I have doesn't have any problems, though he does have a ridiculously-low ground clearance. Mine holds together 2 ways, first the front end has to snap over the front of the arms because they're squared off, this lines it up, then there's a tab that fits behind the passenger-side dashboard which keeps it in check. My guess is that on the CY version, one of those 2 things is not working right.


Shockwaveblast and Meister, I'm leaning toward Shockblast, regardless of my love for Jazz. Shockblast looks great in both modes, Meister looks only "ok" in either. Shockblast makes a good-looking Decepticon for this line though, so bot mode would probably be the way to go.


Wheeljack will remain a car over Grimlock, since Wheeljack would look stupid with a sword. The sword can be left on the floorpan in bot mode. I think Grimmy's colors look better for car mode, and would use WJ as the bot (not that I have WJ though).


Hound/Swindle, no idea. I don't have Swindle, but he would stand out better as a bot I suspect, Hound's dark green body really makes it hard to see the details.


Ravage's head is so weird that he warrants a robot form display. But for the other two, well, I'm not sure about. Swerve looks best as a vehicle, but I can't remember if Tracks has those cool exhaust pipe cannon things on his arm or not. I think Ravage looks better in alt mode, his red seats and lack of top are the best version of this car in the line. Tracks has those cannons on his arms, and I think he looks better in bot mode as I hate the tiny roof Chevy gave the Z06. Plus, I think Swerve's colors and head look a little lame, while Tracks makes a nice impact with his head and colors so different from the other bots.


- - -


I picked up Cybertron Thundercracker yesterday, here's my review...

CY Thundercracker - Boy is it hard not to call him "Thundercrackah!" Anyway, first thing I'll say is that unlike a lot of the reviews I've read, the one I bought yesterday holds together very well in alt mode and doesn't have much trouble in bot mode either - perhap Hasbro made some fixes and waiting helped, or I just got lucky. Thundercracker's alt mode is a twin-tailed fighter jet of some sort, it looks pretty decent here and as I said, mine holds together quite well - the tails are rubbery plastic but mine aren't warped thankfully. The slightly-drooping and bulbous nose is apparently being used in some real jets coming soon, it gives TC here a slightly foreign feel. Thanks in part to the realistic (albeit non-removable) missiles under the wings and the integrated shape of the lower legs, the jet looks very nice from most angles, not kibbly at all; and the smaller profile of the bot legs makes the jet seem like the right size instead of a jet sitting on big boxes like too many other TF jets. The colors are decent too, the orange wash is even and really makes it seem like it's alive and teeming with power. The cockpit interior is too small and simple, but that's a minor thing. The cyber key gimmick isn't especially interesting but is well-concealed when not in use, on mine it pushes that part of the body out of position when activated and reveals the bot's face. Transformation is satisfying enough, the part about locking the left shoulder onto the torso isn't mentioned anywhere though even though it makes a big difference. Bot mode is lanky and very long-legged, the overall sculpt and face are a bit too simplistic. On mine, the bot mode holds together alright, the left shoulder locks into the torso while the right one is not designed to, instead it is more like E-Starscream's "on the loose" shoulders, but they both work. The figure has decent articulation but has some limitations from blocking parts and his tiny feet. The things that bother me the most are the entire wing structure being just a lazy backpack, and of course that his left hand is a friggin' gun that's over 4 inches long - they could have just as easily made it a removable weapon that stowed on his back, but instead they went the crappy route instead and it's a pain to work with. The key gimmick is totally pointless here as you can now access the launcher already. Bottom line, TC has a great alt mode and bolsters the Decepticon forces, on that alone I dig him, but his gimmick is lame and his bot mode is kinda bland.

Chaddymac
07-29-2005, 03:56 PM
I don't think you're transforming him wrong, I'm seeing this same complaint from other reviews. The Galaxy Force version I have doesn't have any problems, though he does have a ridiculously-low ground clearance. Mine holds together 2 ways, first the front end has to snap over the front of the arms because they're squared off, this lines it up, then there's a tab that fits behind the passenger-side dashboard which keeps it in check. My guess is that on the CY version, one of those 2 things is not working right.

Shockblast looks great in both modes, Meister looks only "ok" in either. Shockblast makes a good-looking Decepticon for this line though, so bot mode would probably be the way to go.

The sword can be left on the floorpan in bot mode. I think Grimmy's colors look better for car mode, and would use WJ as the bot (not that I have WJ though).

I don't have Swindle, but he would stand out better as a bot I suspect, Hound's dark green body really makes it hard to see the details.

I think Ravage looks better in alt mode, his red seats and lack of top are the best version of this car in the line. Tracks has those cannons on his arms, and I think he looks better in bot mode as I hate the tiny roof Chevy gave the Z06. Plus, I think Swerve's colors and head look a little lame, while Tracks makes a nice impact with his head and colors so different from the other bots.


- - -


I picked up Cybertron Thundercracker yesterday, here's my review...

CY Thundercracker - Boy is it hard not to call him "Thundercrackah!" Anyway, first thing I'll say is that unlike a lot of the reviews I've read, the one I bought yesterday holds together very well in alt mode and doesn't have much trouble in bot mode either - perhap Hasbro made some fixes and waiting helped, or I just got lucky. Thundercracker's alt mode is a twin-tailed fighter jet of some sort, it looks pretty decent here and as I said, mine holds together quite well - the tails are rubbery plastic but mine aren't warped thankfully. The slightly-drooping and bulbous nose is apparently being used in some real jets coming soon, it gives TC here a slightly foreign feel. Thanks in part to the realistic (albeit non-removable) missiles under the wings and the integrated shape of the lower legs, the jet looks very nice from most angles, not kibbly at all; and the smaller profile of the bot legs makes the jet seem like the right size instead of a jet sitting on big boxes like too many other TF jets. The colors are decent too, the orange wash is even and really makes it seem like it's alive and teeming with power. The cockpit interior is too small and simple, but that's a minor thing. The cyber key gimmick isn't especially interesting but is well-concealed when not in use, on mine it pushes that part of the body out of position when activated and reveals the bot's face. Transformation is satisfying enough, the part about locking the left shoulder onto the torso isn't mentioned anywhere though even though it makes a big difference. Bot mode is lanky and very long-legged, the overall sculpt and face are a bit too simplistic. On mine, the bot mode holds together alright, the left shoulder locks into the torso while the right one is not designed to, instead it is more like E-Starscream's "on the loose" shoulders, but they both work. The figure has decent articulation but has some limitations from blocking parts and his tiny feet. The things that bother me the most are the entire wing structure being just a lazy backpack, and of course that his left hand is a friggin' gun that's over 4 inches long - they could have just as easily made it a removable weapon that stowed on his back, but instead they went the crappy route instead and it's a pain to work with. The key gimmick is totally pointless here as you can now access the launcher already. Bottom line, TC has a great alt mode and bolsters the Decepticon forces, on that alone I dig him, but his gimmick is lame and his bot mode is kinda bland.
As soon as I've saved up enough disposeable income, I want to buy the clear backing to Wheeljack's head from KCC. That looks awesome and makes me wonder why we have to wait for a fan to do this. I also want to by the repro launchers with springs. Again, why do we have to wait for a fan? I got the repro barrel for windcharger and was very happy (even bought a second for when I find 'Charge...IF I find 'Charge...)

JediTricks
07-31-2005, 02:42 PM
Hmm, the trans head for Alt Wheeljack looks pretty decent, I can't imagine why Hasbro borfed this. I am very tempted by the Windcharger gun replacement and the Smokescreen guns.

JediTricks
08-04-2005, 05:07 PM
I picked up wave 2 figs last night, the minicon team, Hardtop, Override, and Red Alert. The minicon team is very keen, Sixspeed isn't great but Jolt is fun and Reverb is amazing, I love his transformation and hope they use it on a deluxe or mega soon so they can add shoulder joints and such. Hardtop is a crummy alt mode, hideous colors, but an interesting transformation and decent robot once you get past the wheels being pure kibble. Override is very ambitious, the colors are pretty "bleh" and the upper-body autotransform makes for a floppy bot, the bot mode boots are kinda annoying, and the weapon is pretty bland, but it's still a pretty cool transformer. And then there's Red Alert, also known as my new best friend, who has a very nifty Dodge Magnum alt mode, a decent key gimmick (in both modes), a totally unique and cool transformation, and a very nice bot mode with 2 add-on tools stored under the hood halves - this figure absolutely ROCKS!!!

Chaddymac
08-04-2005, 05:44 PM
I picked up wave 2 figs last night, the minicon team, Hardtop, Override, and Red Alert. The minicon team is very keen, Sixspeed isn't great but Jolt is fun and Reverb is amazing, I love his transformation and hope they use it on a deluxe or mega soon so they can add shoulder joints and such. Hardtop is a crummy alt mode, hideous colors, but an interesting transformation and decent robot once you get past the wheels being pure kibble. Override is very ambitious, the colors are pretty "bleh" and the upper-body autotransform makes for a floppy bot, the bot mode boots are kinda annoying, and the weapon is pretty bland, but it's still a pretty cool transformer. And then there's Red Alert, also known as my new best friend, who has a very nifty Dodge Magnum alt mode, a decent key gimmick (in both modes), a totally unique and cool transformation, and a very nice bot mode with 2 add-on tools stored under the hood halves - this figure absolutely ROCKS!!!
I found a Swerve at Target, but they were still putting stuff out so I couldn't hide it (there was a Target employee in EVERY AISLE! They just did their reset..) Does anybody want it? PM me and I'll give you location or, tomorrow morning, I'll just stash it somewhere for you.

Adam
08-04-2005, 07:55 PM
I saw Swerve too. I laughed at him then moved on.

Glad to hear that about Red Alert! Target's around here JUST got wave 1, so I won't see him too soon..

JediTricks
08-04-2005, 08:34 PM
The Targets I found the post-wave-1 basics and deluxes at had never had Cybertron figs in before, these were their initial shelvings, so don't give up the hunt right now.

kool-aid killer
08-05-2005, 10:50 AM
Anybody seeing Alternators being marked down in their neck of the woods? I went to a Walmart a couple of days ago and they had several Windcharger figs marked down to $15, along with a red price tag. Im kind of worried that they intend to drop the line, since it took them so long to get rid of previous figures.

JediTricks
08-05-2005, 04:00 PM
I thought it was all but confirmed that WM was dropping the line. TRU and Target still seem to be supporting it though, Target being the strongest supporter of the line.


I got too busy to review the deluxes, I'll get to them this weekend. Here's the wave 2 basics though.

TF:CY Hardtop - I think he's a dune buggy/sandrail type thing, but the actual toy doesn't sell that concept all too well. First thing I can say is that the colors are pure ***, the black, dark green and purple might have been alright by themselves, but I don't like how they look with the silver of the cockpit and the light aqua plastic is just terrible. Then there's the shape of the car, generic and boxy at the front, a painfully spartan cockpit and midsection, and thick lower legs way up in the air with wheels dangling off flat arms the back claiming to be a rear end - what's tragic is how much nicer the prototype sketch looks, more rounded and with nice flow to it, but even it had the rear end empty at the bottom. There are sculpted details, but they don't match up with other areas as some are too big and cheap-looking, adding to the mishmosh feel of this alt mode - even the wheels are simplistic and cheapo - and the "seat" in the cockpit is hardly identifiable as such. You can also plug the generic gimmick gun onto the back, it is simplistic but doesn't really subtract from the look so that's something. If the sculpt had been more refined, or the colors more realistic, or even if they hadn't left the rear end empty on the bottom, it'd be a much nicer toy, but as it is it feels like a generic robot transformer that turned into a box which they added bits onto to make it "something". Transformation here is a bit like origami, lots of folding and unfolding, bringing the entire rear end over, it's clever but certain bits are very strict about being done in the right way. Robot mode is definitely better than the alt mode, now he's like a Decepticon grunt, a frown on his face and a classic bot body without overwhelming characterized features. He looks good from a sculpting perspective, rounded head looks right, the body is well-proportioned, and there are new details in play like the wider chest and big toes; but the chestplate from the seat seems oddly simplistic, you can always see the hollow open voids on the sides of the upper arms, all 4 wheels are just hanging off the back and legs, and the rollbar halves are just hanging off the upper arms. The colorscheme torpedoes the figure pretty badly here with more aqua in play including the head, and the arms bringing a fugly gold/green color to the party - I can't imagine what they were thinking with this ugly crap. Articulation is very nice, standard head and waist, ball-jointed shoulders and hips, hinged elbows, and knees which are ball-joints that act only as hinges. His gimmick weapon is still simplistic, a simple long blaster with an odd box on the back (to accomodate the cyber key) that converts into a slightly longer blaster - it looks like they were going to make the gimmickized barrel even longer and with a bigger tip, there's room for that when stowed, but they didn't so it remains unimpressive. Bottom line, the alt mode sculpt feels like it needed another pass or 2 to get it looking nice and that rear wheel situation is very annoying, the gimmick is nothing special, the transformation is interesting, the bot is a decent grunt but suffers too much kibble, and the whole thing is ruined by a truly terrible colorscheme.



TF:CY Recon Minicon Team - a fun set overall and a welcome return to Minicons. Both wheeled bots have an unappealing drab olive green wheel situation which is also used for Jolt's lower legs and head. Bottom line, I think this is a great little set and you just can't go too wrong here.
- - Sixspeed is the green racecar, he's the weakest design of the group but that doesn't mean he's bad, just not as cool as the other 2. Sixspeed's alt mode is bright green which would normally be awful but since he's a racecar it's not quite as bad; the car isn't as flat as other minicon racecars, and it looks more realistic this way - the clear canopy is a nice touch, and it sports decent detail. Transformation is not idiot-simple the way Vector Prime's minicon is, but it is standard minicon (and spychanger) territory; the chest won't click into place on mine but the joint is stiff enough to hold it up and close to the body. Bot mode loses a little of the detail, and gains REALLY tall shoulders which I'm not a fan of, also his arms are too close to his body -- it's not a terrible bot, standard minicon fare really except perhaps a little thicker. I don't like the face, it's like he's wearing a football helmet, I think there's tiny sculpted details within but they got lost, so he ends up looking like a smiling doofabot. Articulation is alright, standard shoulders, hips, knees, and he can look down or up. He's ok in my book, but no great shakes.
- - Jolt is the red and white helicopter, no relation to Armada's minicon of the same name and general vehicle apparently though. This Jolt is a bubble-cockpit helicopter like those from the '60s, I like his robust and complete design, he even has skids and a tiny interior. Hasbro cast the main body from the same green plastic as Sixspeed, then covered that with red paint which had to be thick, this makes it gloppy in some places; the clear bubble cockpit has white painted details. Transformation is ok, mostly just folding down parts, but rotating the cockpit is a cute twist. Bot mode is nifty, the thinner legs, rounded body, and head under glass give a slight nostalgia feel; the wide chopper blades and tail backpack are a bit too kibbly though. The cockpit plastic is a little hazy so only the silver paint on the face is viewable immediately, the rest of the head is too dark to see without getting up close and a lighter color on the plastic of the head would have cancelled this out. Jolt has ok articulation with standard hips, knees and ankles, and shoulders which can rotate and shrug inwards due to transformation. I like Jolt, he has a classic '50s robot vibe and a nice alt mode.
- - Reverb is the blue pickup truck, the medium-dark blue looks great with the yellow lights and the silver grill, he has gold paint on his windows which doesn't actually look that bad to me. The orange fists in the bed and orange rear window paint job are the only things that really stick out as odd; watch for slop on the lights and windows though, I saw plenty of sets with this. The truck is bold and beefy, not a lot of little details but a strong shape, kinda like a Chevy Avalanche but not brand-specific, the raised middle of the hood is more Dodge Ram-esque. Transformation is pretty unique, the legs are standard but the rest is all more creative, I especially dig how the arms are formed. Except for the large boots, bot mode is more like something you'd see on a deluxe and looks very keen. The little face has the most character of the trio and is painted silver. The orange rear window is now the chest, the orange takes a plain section and gives it more life as the Japanese version had less paint here and seems more plain to me. Articulation is decent, standard hips and knees, sideways-hinged shoulders (for "flapping") and hinged elbows, and his mid-torso has a transformation joint so he can lean back. I think Reverb is a great little bot and I love his transformation, I hope they use it on a larger figure soon.

Adam
08-06-2005, 12:49 AM
I think its nice that they're still doing minicons, since the seem to sell well.

But personally I'm burned out on them. I find it hard to be interested in bot modes that small. I will probably pass on this set. I was already going to pass on Hard Top. His bot mode looks ok, but his color are crap. That = no buy.

JediTricks
08-08-2005, 07:20 PM
I still like the minicons, and basics have been keeping the Transformers lines alive since the Spychangers of RiD which Hasbro totally didn't see coming, so I'm sure they'll keep doing them. We haven't had but 7 minicons in the last year though, Energon had just the new Perceptor set (hmm, maybe I should count the remold of the Star Saber team... ok, 10 minicons). Plus, it's easy to build an army of these guys and play & display 'em because they're so small.

For me, the colors thing is more annoying than the smallness of the toys, I bought Hardtop mainly to bolster my Decepticon forces, he got a lot of positive reviews though and I don't really know why.


TF:CY Override - a very ambitious Transformer that is good but has a number of issues. Override's alt mode is a nifty, futuristic sportscar that's a little on the larger side of the deluxes, considering how the frong half is created it's surprisingly stable. There's a small Autobot logo on the left rear fender, barely noticable, the overall white and red colorscheme seems a little fruity and off-target for this car but I do like the clear wheel designs. The shape is slightly wider in the front than back thanks to oversized, angled fenders, and the front end reminds me a bit of the Mach V from Speed Racer. The overall shape is fairly exciting, but the head sticking out and some gappage from the side bring it down a notch, the entire crest of the head sticks out the middle and doesn't blend at all, they could have simply shaped the top of the head to be less conspicuous and it would have been more exciting. The key gimmick is just flip-around blasters, nothing special and quite rubbery at the fins and wings (I wouldn't suggest folding the wings, while they're hinged they're also squared so it's tough to get them to return), and the car looks truncated without the weapon; the car rolls alright but has minimal ground-clearance.

Transformation is ambitious, it's partially an autochanger and not a simplistic one at that, but that also means more things can go wrong sometimes. When it works right, transformation of the upper body involves pushing a panel on the front end backwards (the instructions aren't too clear about this) and having the rest of the middle of the car fly backwards where it triggers the arms to flip around and is triggered to unfold and wrap around the torso, all in the blink of an eye, it looks cool and the end result is very bot-like and surprisingly stable considering the transformation isn't finished. Unfortunately, sometimes the auto-transformation doesn't totally work, and either the midsection doesn't unfold leaving you with the majority of the midsection hanging out in the air, or more often (on mine anyway) the right arm has a weaker spring and won't flip in time so it gets pinned behind the newly-formed back. The rest of the transformation is folding the middle front up to peg into the back, rotating the hips together (I really don't like how this works though), and unfolding the boots, this keeps it from being a boring autochanger.

Bot mode is tall for a deluxe and very broad-chested/shouldered, the overall look isn't bad, but between the wide shoulders and face sculpt this doesn't look like a female bot, it looks like a man-bot. At this point it's noticeable that the plastic looks and feels cheap and overly-hard, the big boots are the worst offender, maybe a paint wash might help the cheap look. Bot mode changes the colorscheme from white-with-red to red-with-white which is an improvement, but a decent recolor is definitely in order. The head crest helps offset the big shoulders, and the back of the head has translucent red like the eyes are lightpiped, but they're painted solid blue on black on an orange face. Override has decent articulation with standard neck, univeral-jointed shoulders, rotating upper arms, hinged elbows and knees, and ball-jointed hips -- however, the figure has a very tough time standing due to poorly-designed legs, huge toes and a crappy heel situation, even when the knees are as straight as they can go the figure is still too backheavy until you remove the weapon from the back and reposition that panel covering it. The weapon itself is just a big flat box with flip-out barrels, kinda meh, it stowes on the back from transformation, and the alt mode's middle front end folds around and pegs into it to stabilize the upper body a bit (the peg doesn't line up all the way in when keeping the body flat, it holds but if you want it all the way in you have to angle the upper body panels up a little), with the gun removed that front end panel hinges down to find a new peg on the back, but it's a loose connection so there can result in flopping.

Bottom line, Override is a decent bot and futuristic sportscar but has some frustrations because it's too much of an experiment-in-progress, it probably won't be popular with some collectors. The figure is pretty interesting, but leg situation and misfired transformations keep this one down a tad.


TF:CY Red Alert - just a super keen Transformer in my eyes. The alt mode is basically a Dodge Magnum (musclecar/station wagon) emergency vehicle, there are no insignias and the white paint with blue stripes and red sirens and dark red windows could suggest police car as much as a rescue/ambulance/lifesaving type vehicle. The car has big, nicely-sculpted low-profile wheels that roll nicely and give the car decent ground clearance. There is a good use of detail sculpting with wipers sculpted to the windshield, vents on the hood, intakes just ahead of the rear wheels, even first aid-type boxes near the back, the simple white base color doesn't really bring out the rear end sculpted details but they are there. The roof sports 2 sets of red siren lights, an odd techy box at the back where the cyber key is inserted, and between the siren lights the head is turtled down 2/3rds. The key gimmick is surprisingly cool, the upper rear door and back panel on either side pop out a quarter inch and a blaster rotates out to point forward, it all happens very fast - the right blaster on mine would stick halfway through at first, but a little working and now it gets all the way through no problems - I only wish the guns were silver instead of dark blue so they'd stick out visually.

Transformation is quite satisfying and unique, specifically how the legs are formed. The front end and lower rear end fold together to make the legs in such a clever way, and you can also do a 4-legged mode. The rest is hinging the arms up and folding some parts, then pulling the head up. It's not the most complicated, but I really dig it.

Bot mode is a little on the short side, but fairly well proportioned, and has more sculpted details revealed. The lower legs are big but the backpack and front doors on the shoulders offset this a little - the front doors are basically kibble parallel to the body and can be angled. The head is somewhat reminiscent of the Armada version's head and has "siren ears", but no light-piping for them or the eye-visor. The Autobot symbol is in the center of the chest, it doesn't show in alt mode; Red Alert's colors are now blue with white and lots of translucent red accents. Also like the Armada version, this Red Alert has a blaster in place of a left hand and comes with 2 accessories - a hammer and a long claw, open the hood halves to find them - which plug onto the end of the barrel. Red Alert has decent articulation with standard head, ball-jointed shoulders, hinged upper arm elbows, standard hips, hinged knees, the hands and feet can be angled a bit, and the hips splay outwards from the middle which seems a little unusual but is useful... even if it does remind me of an Energon deluxe combiner. The look is compact and tough, the key gimmick is part of the backpack - which avoids being too big - and now rotates the guns over the shoulders to point forward.

Bottom line, I think this is a great figure, possibly my favorite in the line so far, both modes are fantastic and fun, he's got decent weaponry, and even has accessories that can be stowed under the hood. Red Alert may not be the biggest or most complex, but he is one satisfying figure and I hope he gets a worthy repaint.

Chaddymac
08-08-2005, 08:12 PM
Found Dark Scorponok at Target Culver City this morning. I debated on whether I'd buy him, but eventually decided I didn't want to end up in the position so many were in when Energon Ultra Magnus was released and no one could find him.

JediTricks
08-09-2005, 11:04 PM
Does he look good enough to buy? I could almost guarantee I wasn't buying him before you said that.

Oh, and anybody seen this Zippo Prime before? I just spotted it on Remy's site, too funny! http://tfkenkon.com/collection/act358/

Chaddymac
08-10-2005, 12:07 AM
Does he look good enough to buy? I could almost guarantee I wasn't buying him before you said that.

Oh, and anybody seen this Zippo Prime before? I just spotted it on Remy's site, too funny! http://tfkenkon.com/collection/act358/
I didn't have the other Scorponok and I liked the colors on this one better so I thought, "What the hell?" He's cool enough, I guess. I don't regret buying him, but he's not so different (and the mold's not so fantastic) that I think it's worth buying another.

Interestingly, though, the force chip code doesn't work on the transformers.com site yet.

That Zippo Prime is GREAT! I just wish they'd release stuff like that stateside.

El Chuxter
08-11-2005, 01:53 PM
I cracked open Battle Ravage last night, and spent a few minutes transforming him. I was planning on only opening one Alternator, but he was so cool that I had to open and transform Grimlock and Swindle as well.

These guys rock!!

They don't seem to be quite as tough to transform, but I've given up following the instructions exactly and using them as a rough guideline, looking more at the joints and hinges and how they work to make something that looks like the box photo.

It's really tough to tell which of these is my favorite at this point. I love these things!

Chaddymac
08-11-2005, 03:30 PM
I cracked open Battle Ravage last night, and spent a few minutes transforming him. I was planning on only opening one Alternator, but he was so cool that I had to open and transform Grimlock and Swindle as well.

These guys rock!!

They don't seem to be quite as tough to transform, but I've given up following the instructions exactly and using them as a rough guideline, looking more at the joints and hinges and how they work to make something that looks like the box photo.

It's really tough to tell which of these is my favorite at this point. I love these things!
Welcome to Transformers Alternators: "Land of the Joygasm"

darthvyn
08-11-2005, 06:54 PM
i'm pretty sure shockwaveblast is my favorite alternator, followed closely by jazzmesiter. the rx-8 is an awesome car, both characters rock, and the transformation is probably the slickest feat of engineering with these toys to date.

JediTricks
08-11-2005, 07:20 PM
I didn't have the other Scorponok and I liked the colors on this one better so I thought, "What the hell?" He's cool enough, I guess. I don't regret buying him, but he's not so different (and the mold's not so fantastic) that I think it's worth buying another.Ok, if you didn't get him the first time, I guess this makes sense. I did get him, he was on mega sale, so I would never buy another, no question in my mind.

Last night, I'm going to bed and I hear a weird noise just as I'm falling asleep, I look around and see Armada Jetfire's weapon had been triggered a while before and the batteries were so low that while the light was still on at normal strength, the sounds were super slow and was going through its sound effects cycle. I finally got out of bed, unscrewed the hatch, and took out the batteries because I knew even if I reset it, it was just gonna happen again eventually.

darthvyn
08-15-2005, 01:11 PM
so, now that i have my tC, (see gen. disc. thread "New Car!!!!") i really want them to make an alternator of it. i was thinking it would be cool if they made it into bumblebee and cliffjumper. it doesn't come in yellow, yet though. i don't know if that's a possibility. however, the "releas series 1.0" tC came in "absolutely red" so cliffjumper would be rockin' a true tC color...

http://www.scion.com/release_series/tc/

kool-aid killer
08-18-2005, 12:00 AM
For those of you with 20th Optimus Prime, anybody going to spring for this (http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/subtoy2.asp?Queryid=tf425)?
I wasnt aware it existed until i was browsing around. It says it can hold Alternators, so thats kind of cool. But at the price its going for i can safely say im going to pass. Would be nice, but not a definite need.

darthvyn
08-18-2005, 07:06 AM
it would be super-cool to have, but by the same token, i generally have them all as robots anyway... so i don't know where i would put that. the same dilemma as the cartoon - where does it go???

El Chuxter
08-18-2005, 10:21 AM
Looks cool, but Prime doesn't look so great in truck mode. And you lose the kickin' Bumblebee commlink.

Chaddymac
08-18-2005, 12:03 PM
Looks cool, but Prime doesn't look so great in truck mode. And you lose the kickin' Bumblebee commlink.
Agreed. I'd love to have a trailer, but not for more than I paid for the figure. It's a shame it wasn't mass produced because I think, at the right price, everyone who bought prime would buy it. I think $30-$45 would've been fine. That said, looks like they're selling pretty well across the board. That's great. I still wish it were cheaper...

kool-aid killer
08-18-2005, 11:44 PM
I would like it a whole lot more if it had Roller.

matthewilw
08-19-2005, 10:20 PM
Every day I regret not getting that Optimus when I had the chance. That just makes it worse.

JediTricks
08-21-2005, 05:34 PM
Check it out, a close-up of Cybertron Soundwave and his Laserbeak buddy, as well as a more Megatron-like repaint of Megs, some BT figs, and more:

http://www.fantofan.jp/news/event/charahobby2005/charahobby-2005.htm

That poor poor model wearing the Autobot skirt, you just know she caught a lot of misery during that convention. :p

kool-aid killer
08-22-2005, 10:19 AM
I think all hot chicks who are employed at geekfests do.

I really like Cybertron Soundwave and Lazerbeak, i just hope they dont become impossible to find like the last Transformer toys (Energon Grimlock and Swoop) i wanted. I like the new Alts they showed off, i just hope the asterisk line is brought over here so we can finally get Sunstreaker. I like "Megalo Convoy" too.

JediTricks
08-23-2005, 03:42 PM
I suspect that the Grimmy/swoop set was in short supply because Hasbro knew they had a bit of a dog on their hands, if they had produced more they would have ended up with a lot of unsold product, so they kept it low and interest flourished. I highly doubt Cybertron Soundwave will end up in that position.


BTW, check it out, Primus in cybertron mode: http://tfkenkon.com/g/?mode=album&album=toy+previews%2FPrimus

Chaddymac
08-23-2005, 05:42 PM
I suspect that the Grimmy/swoop set was in short supply because Hasbro knew they had a bit of a dog on their hands, if they had produced more they would have ended up with a lot of unsold product, so they kept it low and interest flourished. I highly doubt Cybertron Soundwave will end up in that position.


BTW, check it out, Primus in cybertron mode: http://tfkenkon.com/g/?mode=album&album=toy+previews%2FPrimus
There are only a few figures in Cybertron that I feel are worth buying, but those figures really are THE HOTNESS. Prime, Primus, and Soundwave are awesome. Sure, that's a small percentage, but if the rest of the toys had to suck in order to support the brain power necessary to come up with these winners, so be it.

kool-aid killer
08-24-2005, 12:15 AM
Anybody see the Prime thats being offered for preorder (i seen him at Bigbadtoystore) that can hold a bottle of Pepsi on his truck bed?

I would like to see a picture of Primus next to Unicron, just to see how he stacks up to him.

Adam
08-24-2005, 01:28 PM
There are only a few figures in Cybertron that I feel are worth buying, but those figures really are THE HOTNESS. Prime, Primus, and Soundwave are awesome. Sure, that's a small percentage, but if the rest of the toys had to suck in order to support the brain power necessary to come up with these winners, so be it.


That is chock full of lies ( or perhaps ignorance)! Prime is great of course, but there are other figures that of the same quality than just those three.

EDIT: Like today I found Red Alert, who is the bee's knees. JT and I are going to have to fight for who Red Alert's best friend is. :pleased:

Not only is his transformation, to my knowledge, very unique, he is also compact and still has good articulation. One of the best of this line so far.

JediTricks
08-25-2005, 09:44 PM
I can understand some TF fans not digging the Cybertron line, it is an advancement of the Armada and Energon lines - some fans didn't like G2 in its day either, it's understandable. CY Optimus is bad to the bone though, he's just a kick-arse Transformer no matter where yer coming from. I will side with Adam about this line having more good figures than just those 3, but I can't fault Chaddy for feeling the way he does either.


KAK, no I haven't seen that, got a link? Scratch that, I hit BBTS and found it:
http://bigbadtoystore.com/toystan.asp?Queryid=pr728

It's only holding a 20 oz bottle (or similar size), I was expecting a 2 liter, this is just regular old G1 Prime with a new trailer.


Adam, glad you dig Red Alert, but he was my friend first! :D Seriously though, yours is your friend and mine is my friend. ;)

darthvyn
08-28-2005, 10:57 PM
okay, so i saw cybertron vector prime today, and had to get him as a gift for mrs. darthvyn's cousin, who will be our ring-bearer. VP looks AWESOME! the detail in the mold is insane. i might have to pick this guy up for myself!!! that would be the first non-alternator transformer i've bought since the reissue of G1 prowl. before that it was some beastwars stuff. i'm psyched about VP, yet dismayed that it might turn into a larger collection...

JediTricks
08-29-2005, 05:22 PM
This is just me, but I found VP very disappointing, they skimped on the paint, too many parts are soft rubber, the legs are just a pointless box under the vehicle mode, transformation is really low-level, and the gimmick is a waste. Plus, they're including him with the mega-sized Starscream soon in a TRU-exclusive set, and that's the only way so far to get mega-sized Starscream.


I got CY Megatron for my birthday yesterday, he's pretty cool but his colors are an eyesore and there are a pair of parts which really don't have anywhere to go in vehicle mode, miserable ground clearance, and too many soft-rubber parts are warped. On the other hand, he is pretty nifty looking in all 3 modes, he's a big bot, decent articulation, gimmicks aren't bad, he's fairly boss.

Adam
09-07-2005, 12:47 AM
I think the repaint will be upgraded from "fairly boss" to "pretty boss." :thumbsup:

JediTricks
09-07-2005, 05:21 PM
Yeah, the gray one in the japanese photos looks way nicer, but the shin guards still end up with no place to go in the alt modes which will still be a pain. If they rejigger that situation though, it'd just take the cake.

kool-aid killer
09-16-2005, 10:21 AM
Hey, heres a pic i seen (courtesy of tfw2005.com) of the new Alternators packaging. http://www.tfw2005.com/cybertron/transformers/newaltpackaging18aw.jpg

I like the new look of them in the sense that it blends in with the Cybertron figures that are out now, i just hope i dont pass on any of them because i do mistake them for Cybertron. Im sure you guys are tired of hearing me say it, but i really want Sunstreaker.:love:

Chaddymac
09-16-2005, 01:59 PM
Hey, heres a pic i seen (courtesy of tfw2005.com) of the new Alternators packaging. http://www.tfw2005.com/cybertron/transformers/newaltpackaging18aw.jpg

I like the new look of them in the sense that it blends in with the Cybertron figures that are out now, i just hope i dont pass on any of them because i do mistake them for Cybertron. Im sure you guys are tired of hearing me say it, but i really want Sunstreaker.:love:
That's weird...but I like it. *shrug*

At least that means there's a good chance of finding Prowl. If he's shipping with two packagings, it means it'll be two different assortment numbers and he'll likely be in wide release.

Also nice to see Streaker. Is he going to be an exclusive somewhere, or will that be a wide release? I mean, if they'll do a wide release for a boring (but much loved) repaint like Swerve, they ought to for Streaker too.

JediTricks
09-16-2005, 08:33 PM
Here's more pics of the Alternators packaging along with packaged shots of some new Cybertron figures: http://priplus.blog.park4u.com/user1/1930/index.shtml

I don't especially like the new Alternators packaging, it's not collector-friendly, the big bubble is welded to the box underneath so once you free your TF, you can't store him back in the box. Also, I don't like the Cybertron-styling in general and the Cybertron-esque character art at all. I suspect this is Hasbro saying the collector-only approach that Alternators has isn't working and they need to broaden the buyer base to keep the line going.

On the Cybertron side, I am glad to see new packaged figures, it means we'll be seeing 'em on shelves soon, and I want MORE of this line. Alternators I have gone 7 months without a new fig and I don't exactly care at this point, they have withered the line and it's disappointing; Cybertron, on the other hand, keeps getting more exciting each new wave.

Adam
09-18-2005, 06:48 PM
I should have seen this coming, they changed it for Energon as well.

Personally I like it. If I was a MISBer, I could display the them from different angles and you'd still be able to see the most of the vehicle.


Anyways, I picked up Clocker(SKIDS) the other day, and I don't like him too much. Not as bad as Thundercracker though ( who I gave away ), since he actually has good articulation. And I think the tranformation is interesting too. But for some reason, I just don't like him that much. Oh well.

I going to skip this guy after seeing Remy's gallery. It's too bad, my Cybertron Decepticon shelf is going to be rather empty.
http://tfkenkon.com/collection/act373/

JediTricks
09-19-2005, 02:45 PM
Here's my thing about the in-box collectors, up until now you could keep your Alternators looking brand new in their boxes while still being able to take 'em out and put 'em back whenever you wanted, now if you take 'em out that's it, they're out for good.


I hear Clocker has stability issues, and some of his colors are not thick enough in the US version (most of the white on orange with Skids doesn't look orangey the way Clocker's paint does). Personally, I really like Clocker, but I also sorta like Thundercrackah too.


Roadstorm does appear to be a bit of a mess, but I don't dislike him yet, I will be getting him.

Adam
09-22-2005, 11:16 PM
TOMORROW = BOTCON!

I'm going! ( 'cause its like 20 min away. ) :thumbsup:

Anyway, I'll be going with a camera, and might have some pics up on TNI later in the day, I'll let you guys know if there's anything of note for Friday. Saturday looks to be the day of Hasbro's new stuff ( PRIMUS!!! )

kool-aid killer
09-22-2005, 11:52 PM
Sounds like fun. Have a blast, and if you can smuggle us out some good stuff!

JediTricks
09-23-2005, 05:34 PM
Check it out, fellow Action Online network member Ben Yee of BWTF.com actually wrote this year's Botcon-exclusive comic book: http://www.bwtf.com/cbreviews/botcon/descent/

Adam
09-23-2005, 09:54 PM
Picture time! Here are my galleries (sorry for the flash on the last set)
Con Exclusives: http://tformers.com/ig.php?mode=album&album=5036&dispsize=800&start=0

Exclusive LoC Seeker: http://tformers.com/ig.php?mode=album&album=5038&dispsize=800&start=0

Cybertron Swerve and Swindle: http://tformers.com/ig.php?mode=album&album=5037&dispsize=800&start=0

Hasbro booth: http://tformers.com/ig.php?mode=album&album=5039&dispsize=800&start=0


Allspark also has a GREAT gallery here: http://www.allspark.com/modules.php?set_albumName=album145&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php

kool-aid killer
09-24-2005, 10:30 AM
Nice pictures, Adam. I really like the LoC Seeker. I would have loved the Blue/White Arcee from the first link, now when i look at my Energon one im going to feel a bit disappointed with its paint scheme. I also enjoyed seeing some pictures of Cybertrons animal robots. Aside from the Rhino guys robot mode, they look good to me.

Adam
09-24-2005, 04:35 PM
Yeah.. Backstop sucks.

There was a LOT of goodies today, some stuff was only shown on ppt and we weren't allowed to take pictures. I'll cover stuff I didn't get pictures of first.

Red Hot Shot repaint similar to the Japanese DVD one.. calling it Excillion haha. There was an Override one too, but I didn't look at it enough to remember it. Jetfire's repaint is a Decepticon. They haven't finalised the name, but one of the candidates was Octane. I think he had purple and bronze details. There is a new Unicron coming. He is deluxe sized with a tank alt mode. Looked kinda cool.

Showed protos of new molds for Beast Megatron (based on the first t-rex) and Optimus Primal (based on serveral Primals). Megatron was sweet! Very detailed. Primal looked good. Both have .. force chip gimmick. Jungle Planet keys. Released later next year. 2006 is Beast War's tenth anniversary.

Showed TF Attackix figures Cybertron Prime and Megs, Energon Omege Supreme.

ALTERNATORS! Subaru as Ricochet/Stepper, Swindle has an orange repaint who's name I forget. Dodge Ram = Optimus Prime. Ford GT = MIRAGE. (got pics of that one)

I will get my pics up soon.

As for stuff shown at the Hasbro booth, besides the afforementioned Mirage proto, they had Skids in the new packaging. Initial Beast Wars assortment: Rhinox, Cheetor, Waspinator were shown. (Dinobot, Rattrap, and Tarantulas were not, but are coming. ) These are not remolds. IIRC, all except Rattrap are the original releases. Rattrap is transmetal They had Waspinator in packaging too. Each figure comes with a peice to make Trans-Mutate. MSRP: $14.99. They also come with dvds that have an episode centered around the character it comes with. In the same case they displayed Star Wars TF's which were SW vehicles that turn into characters associated with it. Show were Grievous/Wheelbike(my pictures of him didn't turn out well), DVader/Tie Advanced, Obi-Wan/Jedi Starfighter (Ep3), Luke/X-wing. At the panel they showed BobaFett/SlaveI.

In the Cybertron booth they added a orange rumble (FYI we are getting the orange one with a possibility of a unique color down the line. So no yellow or blue.) , Cybertron Patrol Scattorshot, Soundwave, Crumplezone repaint, Primus, Menasaur, another giant character who's name I forget (might be Mixmaster), and Galvatron.

plasticfetish
09-24-2005, 09:16 PM
Mixmaster? That's a joke right? What's next Osterizer and KitchenAid? :D

So Adam, you saw them in person... what are your thoughts on the Star Wars TFs?

Adam
09-24-2005, 09:22 PM
Mixmaster? That's a joke right? What's next Osterizer and KitchenAid? :D

So Adam, you saw them in person... what are your thoughts on the Star Wars TFs?

Mixmaster is a G1 name!


I think they look goofy. I wasn't impressed.

Oh yeah here is the gallery. The first page and some on the second are not my pictures. Everything else is me.

http://tformers.com/ig.php?mode=album&album=5051&start=0

plasticfetish
09-25-2005, 12:33 AM
(Oh yeah, the Constructicon. Well, same joke... just pretend I made it 20 years ago. :) )

Yep. I'm kind of amazed that they pushed that SW/TF idea through. They look extremely lame to me.

Tycho
09-25-2005, 08:40 AM
PlasticFetish: ditto that.

darko666
09-25-2005, 09:53 AM
does anyone know the release date for the Galaxy Force/Cybertron Soundwave figure? i've been seeing pics for it on sites but have yet to see an actual release date. thanks for any info.

kool-aid killer
09-25-2005, 10:33 AM
That sucks about Beast Wars Rattrap being the Transmetal one, ive wanted his first figure for a long time. There are several Transformers that i like in those pictures. I might actually be buying more than a dozen of these guys, which is alot in terms of my Transformers collection. Adam, was there any talk of the movie?

Chaddymac
09-25-2005, 01:07 PM
That sucks about Beast Wars Rattrap being the Transmetal one, ive wanted his first figure for a long time. There are several Transformers that i like in those pictures. I might actually be buying more than a dozen of these guys, which is alot in terms of my Transformers collection. Adam, was there any talk of the movie?
You know, the fact that they've been recolored to better match the animation would've been enough to get me to buy them, but the fact that you can create a transmutate takes the cake!

Maybe they'll redo some Beast Machines figures in three years and include a buildable Botanica? Then again, maybe they'll want to pretend Beast Machines never happened...

JediTricks
09-25-2005, 02:14 PM
TM Rattrap is easily the superior figure though, far more like the TV version of the character than the original toy (which is a bit of a shellmaster and has a lot of pointless backpack junk and an unposeable alt mode) - the only real diff between TM Rattrap and his TV counterpart is that the back piece doesn't rotate 180. Plus, original Rattrap was only $5 so there's no way collectors would pay $15 for a repro.


I'm not sure how I feel about these anniversary figs, and paying $90 to put together Transmutate...

Chaddymac
09-25-2005, 02:20 PM
TM Rattrap is easily the superior figure though, far more like the TV version of the character than the original toy (which is a bit of a shellmaster and has a lot of pointless backpack junk and an unposeable alt mode) - the only real diff between TM Rattrap and his TV counterpart is that the back piece doesn't rotate 180. Plus, original Rattrap was only $5 so there's no way collectors would pay $15 for a repro.


I'm not sure how I feel about these anniversary figs, and paying $90 to put together Transmutate...
I agree with you collector's paying $15 for a basic and transmutate part. Are they gonna be $15?

I feel good about these figures. I haven't bought any of these molds in about 10 years and they're some of my favorite beast era characters and figures, so I don't mind. Plus Transmutate, which I've already said. I just hope we see images of Primal and Megatron soon, not to mention the other 3 figures in the Transmutate series (including Tarantulas and Dinobot). All of those should make for interesting recolors, although I would've liked to see some remolding--plus, how cool would it be to get a more show accurate Blackarachnia? I realize that would've been an entirely new mold...but still.

JediTricks
09-25-2005, 02:32 PM
They will be $15, and besides the fig and the transmutate part they'll have a DVD of an ep of the show that centered around that character.

I agree about remolds, if they're gonna go back and make Primal and Megs better, there's a list of other characters that deserve similar too (Dinobot being at the top of that list).

Adam
09-25-2005, 03:29 PM
The MSRP is $14.99. Doesn't mean thats how much Wal-mart of Target will sell them for. (MSRP for Alternators was $25 or $29.99 when they first came out I think.)


I had a nice post typed out last night of my haul from botcon but my interet died. So I'll just summarize here. Friday I was sane and only got GF Starscream, Cybertrons Leobreaker and Mudflap, and Alt Wheeljack. Yesterday I went nuts. I picked up Cybertron Brakedown... and GF Exgeyser, Backgild, and First Gunner. (Hot Shot, Scattorshot and Red Alert upgrades.)

I went to Hasbro's design panel today. They showed the Unicron deluxe again, which is still cool. HOWEVER, the most exciting thing they showed in between Q&A are protos for a proposed line to fill in the gap between Cybertron and the movie. The line's concept is to mix the Alternator and Cybertron playpatterns in deluxe and mega pricepoints. (So like Universe.. only new molds.) Shown was a VERY G1 inspired Starscream who's alt mode I hear resembles an F-15. Bot mode was fantastic. Arm cannons like G1 Starscream. Looked to have fantasic articulation. Starscream was said to be a deluxe. The second and last shown was suprising: A gun with a Decepticon logo on the scope. :D No bot mode was shown, but you can guess who it is. The gun was more of a blaster or sci-fi ish take on a hand gun. Still, the "gap" looks bright. I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE HOWEVER, THAT THE HASBRO TEAMED STRESSED THAT THESE FIGURES WERE PART OF A PROPOSAL. THEY ARE NOT GUARANTEED TO BE MADE. We were again asked to not take pictures.

Adam
09-25-2005, 03:48 PM
does anyone know the release date for the Galaxy Force/Cybertron Soundwave figure? i've been seeing pics for it on sites but have yet to see an actual release date. thanks for any info.


GF Soundwave was released last week. Cybertron version will probably come out next year.

darko666
09-25-2005, 11:13 PM
GF Soundwave was released last week. Cybertron version will probably come out next year.

awesome, thanks.

El Chuxter
09-26-2005, 02:10 PM
An Optimus Prime Alternator? Don't we already have one? Okay, technically not an Alternator, but on roughly the same scale.

Adam
09-26-2005, 06:48 PM
Yeah, but not everyone has it, or was able to get it.


The reason the Dodge Ram is Prime, is because Hasbro wanted to do a truck alternator, but Takara did not. ( Not many trucks in Japan) So to compromise they made the character Convoy/Prime so that it could be sold in both markets.

JediTricks
09-27-2005, 05:39 PM
TRU is having a buy 2, get 1 free sale on Transformers. I picked up Undermine and Armorhide, so for the freebie and chose Clocker even though I already have the GF version (Clocker's stability problems are caused by poorer tolerances in Hasbro manufacturing, as opposed to changes; also, Clocker's base plastic color is orange where GF Skids' is the white which looks better). I also found Mudflap and Leobreaker at Target, but I passed on Leobreaker after reading some poor reviews and seeing the cooler-looking Dark Leobreaker Hasbro is going to come out with later in this line.

I'll say more in a little while, here are my brief opinions:

Undermine surprised me, I expected little but he's a pretty fun figure if a little strange. His base design would make a good deluxe with some additions.

Armorhide is really neat, a fairly unique transformation and just nifty all around. His design too would make a good deluxe.

Mudflap is only alright, he feels more like a clever oversized Minicon than a regular transformer, and I really wish the things under his arms were more weaponized and removable.

darthvyn
10-05-2005, 07:19 PM
err... i hope he's mal-transformed here, because otherwise he looks like butt

http://binalternators.de/optimus_prime_english.html

in other news, i bought my first two TF's in i don't know how long that weren't alternators last night - cybertron vector prime (despite JT's dissatisfaction... i think he rocks.) and hotshot (is he supposed to be hotrod?)

JediTricks
10-05-2005, 07:39 PM
He's not supposed to be Hot Rod, though they are releasing a Hot Rod repaint of TF:CY Hot Shot here in the states (they already did in Japan).

So, what do you like about VP?

darthvyn
10-05-2005, 08:49 PM
i like the old-world almost victorian style to him... the whole gear-driven motif is just really cool and a departure for the line. there's just a lot of modeling going on there. his face looks really cool, and his bot-mode has this regality to it. plus he's got a huge friggin' sword.

i don't really have a problem with the front fuselage section of the alt mode just hanging off his back, and i don't mind the legs folding up underneath him in alt mode. they're the usual thing in terms of TF's... the detail in the molding more than makes up for that. i haven't put batteries in, so i can't talk about the sound effects, but that wasn't the draw for me.

i also like the fact that he's a prime from the past.

and hotshot has an awesome alt mode. the car just looks so cool. it's like a mix between the cadillac cien and a lambo... and the bot mode is really nicely done, too. with the pop-out fins that look EXACTLY like hot rod, though, i thought it was supposed to be him. it's funny that they're doing a repaint as hot rod, instead of the other way around...

JediTricks
10-06-2005, 03:22 PM
They've been doing more and more G1 homages in the past few years like that. The Energon line even had a character named Rodimus who was a truck and another leader. Apparently, Hasbro has lost the rights to the character name "Hot Rod" though, maybe even to the point where they can't call him "Autobot Hot Rod" (like Jazz in the Alternators line having to be called Meister).

I don't think Vector Prime was ever a leader the way Optimus Prime is, in the Japanese continuity he's definitely not a "Convoy"... I guess that's part of what makes him enigmatic.

El Chuxter
10-06-2005, 04:37 PM
What kind of dillweed would you have to be to refuse Hasbro the rights to use names like Hot Rod? Seriously. If you're the current trademark owner and won't allow some exception for iconic characters, you're a mouse dropping.

Chaddymac
10-06-2005, 04:52 PM
What kind of dillweed would you have to be to refuse Hasbro the rights to use names like Hot Rod? Seriously. If you're the current trademark owner and won't allow some exception for iconic characters, you're a mouse dropping.
I think that's kind of harsh. They have a business to run, too. Besides; Hot Rod is a crappy name. I much prefer "Rodimus," and even that kinda sucks.

El Chuxter
10-06-2005, 05:05 PM
I was being slightly tongue-in-cheek. Slightly.

On the other hand, we are talking about a company that was moronic enough to sell such an iconic name as GI Jane to Disney because they were making a movie no one cared to see. :p

Chaddymac
10-06-2005, 05:35 PM
I was being slightly tongue-in-cheek. Slightly.

On the other hand, we are talking about a company that was moronic enough to sell such an iconic name as GI Jane to Disney because they were making a movie no one cared to see. :p
In that case, I was being somewhat obtuse. Somewhat...

JediTricks
10-06-2005, 09:42 PM
Honestly, Hasbro was lax in protecting their brand's names and they're stupid for letting this happen, another company is clearly learning from that mistake and copyrighting more of the names they are getting - now Hasbro has swung hard the other way and overprotects the names to the point where we get all these characters with names that don't fit simply because they were from back in the day. I have no idea who is using "Hot Rod", but I bet none of us would be so forgiving if they wanted to use "Optimus Prime". :p

darthvyn
10-06-2005, 09:55 PM
well, at least they aren't calling him "exillion" - the japanese name. that name sucks. hard. and apparently the red version of hot shot is at an MSRP of $100 in japan!

http://www.tformers.com/reviews.php?op=showcontent&id=573

JediTricks
10-06-2005, 09:57 PM
well, at least they aren't calling him "exillion" - the japanese name. that name sucks. hard. and apparently the red version of hot shot is at an MSRP of $100 in japan!

http://www.tformers.com/reviews.php?op=showcontent&id=573
Er, actually, the US red version will be named Excillion, a little joke on Hasbro's part I guess.

darthvyn
10-06-2005, 10:41 PM
hasbro sucks. hard.

Adam
10-07-2005, 07:01 PM
So call him something else than move on.


Fact: Hasbro was very close to losing the name Megatron at one point. :cross-eye

JediTricks
10-08-2005, 02:41 AM
If Hasbro had lost Megs, they probably would have caved.

kool-aid killer
10-15-2005, 01:06 AM
I finally seen some new Alternators today. I saw Wheeljack and Prowl for the first time in person. I liked both of them but ended up leaving them on the shelves. Of the two i really wanted Prowl more, since ive already got Grimlock, but even then i couldnt convince myself to pull the trigger. Maybe some other day. But it was nice to see something new for a change.

JediTricks
10-15-2005, 05:27 AM
I saw the TF:CY Starscream/Vector Prime 2pack at TRU tonight, the paint on V.P. appears identical while the paint on Starscream is fairly inferior, shallow, and lifeless compared to the Japanese version, I especially hated the cheap red color and the cheap semi-translucent purple plastic.

No new Alternators have crossed my path yet though, sadly.

Chaddymac
10-15-2005, 11:16 AM
I saw the TF:CY Starscream/Vector Prime 2pack at TRU tonight, the paint on V.P. appears identical while the paint on Starscream is fairly inferior, shallow, and lifeless compared to the Japanese version, I especially hated the cheap red color and the cheap semi-translucent purple plastic.

No new Alternators have crossed my path yet though, sadly.
If you're looking for a Prowl, JT, I hid one at WEHO Target. PM me for details.

Adam
10-15-2005, 09:04 PM
Snagged Armorhide the other day. Pretty decent for a basic. He's kinda short and stocky. His force chip gimmick is kinda neat too. Chest flips up revealing a "missle battery." His knees are just a little too loose for my liking ( not "floppy" though) but other than that he's ok.

JediTricks
10-16-2005, 02:41 PM
Here's my unintentionally-long review of Alternators Prowl, which Chaddy stashed for me (Thanks Chaddy! :cool: :thumbsup: )

Alternators Prowl - First off, the packaging, this is the red box and I still don't love it, the open window design bugs me. The drawing of Prowl is pretty cool, although that push-pop lolli he's got seems a little silly. ;) The packaging has more than its fair share of mistakes, red grid lines on the side panel cross over the bot photo's boundries in a few places and there's one that appears right in the middle of his chest, the photo of the gun by itself is totally upside-down, and the photo of the alt mode with the hood open has the V-tech engine gun backwards. Finally, the package shows the Binaltech colorscheme which is far superior to the one we got, but clearly they're not showing the BT car because it has a different spoiler. The instructions are, as often the case, confusing and downright wrong in a couple places - first off, the position of the arms in alt mode, this affects transforming it back to alt mode because you think you can ALMOST get the parts to line up that way, but if you bend the plastic to your will without breaking it the steering won't go and it's very difficult to free the arms again - the pics of the BT version's underside don't correspond to this either, so that's all I need to know about Hasbro being wrong. The second instructions mistake is that the tabs on the sides of the chest, the instructions say to have them stick straight out in front of the bot, but they're actually supposed to fold past this to flat against the chest, otherwise you cannot get the chest all the way into position and it certainly won't lock into place without that.

Alt mode is a very, very boring car, the first truly boring car in the line IMO. The Acura RSX is not an exciting car in real life, but the Alternators version somehow got the lines of the upper rear half a little wrong and didn't give enough of the sides' body roll shape in so they took a boring car and made it more boring, even though it says "Highway Patrol" and "Police", it really looks more like a parking enforcement car. What would have made this less boring was the large spoiler that the BT figure enjoys, and the US version of the car has it too as seen in this pic (http://www.acura.com/images/rsx/rsx_gall_img_22.jpg), sadly the US toy gets this wimpy, sad trunk lip spoiler instead. Also, the wheels on this car seem slightly too small which is never exciting IMO, especially when the front ones only turn a tiny bit (tho' small magnetically-linked steering is better than no steering). The whole car lines up pretty well once you realize the arms angle in towards the front, and everything opens nicely although the hood is somewhat limited. The light bar on top seems a little too fat for my tastes, your mileage may vary. The wheel design is accurate to this car, as is the engine facade (although they didn't paint the V-tech logo in the little blank spot they made for it), some of the undercarriage, and the grill and bumper intake section; there are some good design elements at work on this toy, especially the headlights and dashboard, and some creative paint work with that. The windows are up on this car, so getting the doors open seems to involve pushing on the chromed side mirrors which sounds like a recipe for breakage to me. I am glad they went with english lettering for the car, but while the blue/yellow shields evoke the G1 character, they're too small and not bold enough here, they could have used more detail or at least a black border. Just in front of the shield logo on the hood is an Autobot logo that's the same size (so much for "robots in disguise" I guess) but slightly off-center, if this was meant to be a reference to G1 Prowl's hood logo, they should have put it further over to the side instead of this few-millimeters-off situation - I dunno if they're all like this, but I've seen some photos online of others that were. Bottom line, in alt mode this is not an exciting car nor very imposing as a cop vehicle, but it's solid.

Transformation is needlessly presented in the instructions as more convoluted than it actually is, in reality it's fairly straightforward and normal with the only slow spot being how you get the arms and chest around - the key is to get the doors down out of the way, move the arms partway out, swing the chest halfway through, then move the doors up out of the way again, and finish bringing the chest down (the chest actually locks on both sides into final position). Transforming back is again straightforward till you get to the arms, but part of the frustration is that you think once the arms are fully stowed they should point straight forward like it shows in the instructions, but they should actually be angled inward so the elbows are almost touching the gun under the engine.

Bot mode is ok but not great, it's not as bad as it appeared in the photos but it's still like a big Spychanger with the fold-down oversized chest, high shoulders, and fat legs made from the rear end. The bot isn't fragile, it doesn't feel like it's gonna break if you mess with it and it doesn't start de-transforming when you mess with it unlike some other figs in the line. The shoulders aren't actually as high as they appear, the wheels on top just make 'em look that way. The arms are perhaps a bit small on this body, they have good articulation but the ball-jointed elements seem a little cheap for an Alternators figure, still it does give lots of range of motion to the point where it can do nearly anything that my arm can do - though there's a peg on each upper arm which prevents the arm from raising higher than straight out (if this peg had been on the forearm instead, that would have solved this issue). The upper body looks a little empty around the head and from the side viewing the chest and back (I really don't like how the lower back looks so thin and weird from this angle), the car front end seems more like a big piece of body armor because of this, the fig actually has a whole torso behind that. Where the upper body is a bit plain on the sculpted details, the lower body has a decent amount of detail. The waist can rotate, the legs have good articulation as well but the knees are way up high and somewhat restricted thanks to a second joint that acts as the knee and is secondarily restricted by the taillight assemblies. The ankles have an odd design but are ball-jointed, though those ball joints may be a little untrustworthy - tight enough to fool you, but loose enough to slowly give out if too much weight is depending on 'em. The figure can certainly stand on his own, but between the funky knees and the fat rear car body stuck to the back of the legs (which also forces the legs to show hollow from a few angles), there is a lot of frustration finding cool poses. The head screams "G1 Prowl", this is a lot like that figure's head only with a little more detail, he can look down and it can turn all the way around; the head and upper arms are cast in pearlescent white plastic. They slapped tiny shield logos on each upper arm, and the left arm facing out has a small painted Autobot symbol. The paint work on my fig is pretty sloppy, especially the red paint on the horns, the forearms, and the lower legs which is all gloppy and messy. Frustratingly, Hasbro changed one of the BT version's black plastic - the one which makes up half the bot's body, specifically - into an unappealing pale blue, it's wimpy and sad and uncool, especially the waist and around the head which was black on the Japanese figure, totally undermines the look of this figure from stud to dud.

Finally, the accessories. First, there's the nightstick, it's totally translucent red (except for the very end of the handle on mine where the red ran out and it's just clear) and has an alright sculpt that's a bit lightsaber-like, it doesn't help that the actual stick part has energy line sculpting where it meets the handle. The nightstick plugs into the exhaust pipe on the bumper kibble of the left leg, I guess like a cop wearing his nightstick on his belt... right. The gun is my least favorite gun in the line, it's a small pistol with a larger pointless engine facade behind it, the handle is too low and it just doesn't excite me. Both weapons have pegs in their handles which correspond loosely to rectangular holes in the back of the hand (instead of the palm), it works alright if not spectacularly.

Overall, I wish they hadn't swapped out the spoiler and changed the black plastic to pale blue, that alone would have saved this guy some dignity. The figure is not a standout, but not a disaster either, he's "alright" if not exciting, and solid if not amazing. Is he worth getting? I'd say so, but he's not fantastic.

Adam
10-19-2005, 12:58 AM
Well I'm bored in between studying, so I'm going to go over some figures I bought but never went over. Some I've had for awhile.. but oh well. :pleased:

(Master) Megatron: Now this is one figure that I was pretty sure I was going to skip. I didn't mine the design at all, the color scheme just didn't win me over. The Unicronish aspects of the combined color and design took awhile to grow on me. The US versions paints are also slightly different and I prefered them as well. So when I saw him at TRU the day after I got my shipment from Amazon I caved, along with most everything else. ( 'cept Starscream.. he needs to go on sale before I get him. ) Anyways, articulation wise, he's well off. Aside from the basics, his elbows are double jointed and his feet can swivel to keep them flat when posing. Which is good because hes pretty back heavy. ALL of this figures gimmicks are on his back in bot mode. So it takes some time to get the feet positioned so he'll stay standing. The force chip gimmick are ok. The side gimmicks either produce an arm mounted blade (Death Claw) or peg or arm mounted chain gun (Death Machine Gun). The blade is pretty neat, but is made of rubbery plastic, which is never appealing. (Hello Vector Prime.) The gun was at first, pretty lame. It IS however an example of how important the show can be to one's view of the figures though. The introduction of it in the show was pretty great. (If mowing down three Autobots almost to death works for you.) In effect, it changed my view of it so much, that I no longer view it as being lame. The other chip gimmick pops out turbines I guess on the engine. Not too exciting. Located between the two turbines are two spring loaded missles. While im not a fan of those, they're not intrusive. The whole figure is pretty detailed. Vector Prime really inspired me to take a break from panel lining the details in my Gundam models and try it out on Transformers. And the effect is pretty good. While I haven't gotten to Megs yet, his details are enough that he should look pretty cool with them highlighted. Alt mode I won't spend too much on, cause as you might know, I don't care about that aspect too much. Car mode is, as its been said before, the friggin' batmobile. The Jet mode as a third mode isn't really TOO bad considering some past transformers who have just one alt mode. (Energon Wing Saber) Finally, its combined mode, Liger Megatron. As with Prime, Leobreaker just doesn't quite work as a hand. It probably has to do with the fact that Leo's own arms don't look good as one hand. Now if they had included an extrapart to make the hand like the show version has, then it would be better. Other than that, Liger Megatrons has pretty bad stability.. not many poses you can pull off with his heavy back and on heavy arm.

So in summation, I would reccomend Cybertron Megatron to a fan of this series. Some may wish to wait for the repaint as its more Megatron like.

plasticfetish
10-19-2005, 03:59 AM
So in summation, I would reccomend Cybertron Megatron to a fan of this series. Some may wish to wait for the repaint as its more Megatron like.You mean Galvatron? We've been looking at Megs for a while now, and I just can't get into it... but Galvatron looks a bit better to me. (Not that I'd be buying him for me anyway.)

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Hey, speaking of "for me," what's the word on the release date for Alternator Skids? Now that we have a Scion in the family, I'm kind of thinking about getting that one... though I'm not wild about flame thing. Was there any word at Botcon about them doing a Scion xC also?

darthvyn
10-19-2005, 02:20 PM
Hey, speaking of "for me," what's the word on the release date for Alternator Skids? Now that we have a Scion in the family, I'm kind of thinking about getting that one... though I'm not wild about flame thing. Was there any word at Botcon about them doing a Scion xC also?

you mean scion tC? that would be awesome... i've been clamboring for one for a long time...

plasticfetish
10-19-2005, 03:42 PM
No, I meant the xA (my bad)... there's three, the xB (skids), the xA (the little 4-door hatchback that we just bought), and the tC (the 2-door with the "moon roof" that I'm tryng to talk my inlaws into buying.) :)

Adam
10-19-2005, 06:35 PM
You mean Galvatron? We've been looking at Megs for a while now, and I just can't get into it... but Galvatron looks a bit better to me. (Not that I'd be buying him for me anyway.)

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Hey, speaking of "for me," what's the word on the release date for Alternator Skids? Now that we have a Scion in the family, I'm kind of thinking about getting that one... though I'm not wild about flame thing. Was there any word at Botcon about them doing a Scion xC also?

Yeah I meant Galvatron.


Skids is coming in the new packaging, which is supposed to show up next year..

darthvyn
10-20-2005, 11:53 AM
No, I meant the xA (my bad)... there's three, the xB (skids), the xA (the little 4-door hatchback that we just bought), and the tC (the 2-door with the "moon roof" that I'm tryng to talk my inlaws into buying.) :)

i've got one...

http://forums.sirstevesguide.com/showthread.php?t=29513

i love it... very fun. great amenities for the $$. that's why i want them to make a tC alt so bad... but i doubt they will since it's an america-only car. maybe they can make another iconic character that the japanese will buy no matter what - like bumblebee or something. although i don't know if i want the tC to be bumblebee, but if it's the only way it will be made, i guess i'd rather have a sucky character in a tC rather than no character in a tC...

plasticfetish
10-20-2005, 02:37 PM
I didn't know that the tC was a US only car... I assumed that they were all Toyotas in Japan.

We love ours, it's a brilliant car, esp. for the price. I drove and priced a few in the same size/style range (focus, golf, etc.) and this is as good as it gets. Really thinking about getting an xB in a year or so also now, and I didn't like that car at all... until I sat in one. :)

I could see Toyota wanting to hook up TF versions of all 3 of these -- it's great PR for the line.

Adam
10-20-2005, 04:52 PM
Actually BBTS has the SKids wave set for November/December, but that may just be incorrect. They also have Cybertron Galvatron and Metroplex as coming out this month.... which isn't correct.

darthvyn
10-21-2005, 08:24 AM
I didn't know that the tC was a US only car... I assumed that they were all Toyotas in Japan.

We love ours, it's a brilliant car, esp. for the price. I drove and priced a few in the same size/style range (focus, golf, etc.) and this is as good as it gets. Really thinking about getting an xB in a year or so also now, and I didn't like that car at all... until I sat in one. :)

I could see Toyota wanting to hook up TF versions of all 3 of these -- it's great PR for the line.

yeah, the tC was created for the american market, thus it's a little bigger than the other two scions. both the xB and xA were based on toyota's japanese-market bB and aA. i love the tC, but i don't know about the xB - i drove one for a long trip (i went along on some dealer trades for my wife's aunt...) and i felt it was great for around-the-town driving but HORRIBLE for freeway driving. very rough ride...

but, to get back on topic, i don't hold out hope for a tC alt because of the fact that they don't have the car over there... if somehow they could pull the same thing they're doing with the ram pickup/optimus/convoy with some kind of iconic character, we might get one. that would be cool...

Tycho
10-21-2005, 11:19 AM
They had Prowl and Decepticharge at Target this morning. I left them behind however. Not interested; no regrets.

JediTricks
10-23-2005, 12:50 AM
I still haven't found Decepticharge yet, that was an especially poigniant bummer when an actual S2000 blew by us on the streets tonight (actually though, it was the exact same color as Windcharger so that was kinda cool).

I saw the first TF:CY Armada Remold today, Longrack who is remolded from Armada's Hoist (an ok but overrated figure IMO), he comes with a DVD of an ep. I passed.

Adam
10-24-2005, 09:00 PM
Man, and thats the only Armada remold that I want. I saw the Sideswipe repaint who's name I forget, and was ****ed that the rest of the wave was probably in the back room. (The pegs were full.) And Target has that policy of not getting "collector" items from the backstock. :cry:

Chaddymac
10-25-2005, 12:04 AM
Man, and thats the only Armada remold that I want. I saw the Sideswipe repaint who's name I forget, and was ****ed that the rest of the wave was probably in the back room. (The pegs were full.) And Target has that policy of not getting "collector" items from the backstock. :cry:
I got the recolor of Blurr. He's pretty cool, except for the fact that when they remolded his guns, they made it so he can no longer hold them. VERY frustrating.

Adam
10-25-2005, 06:00 PM
Are the pegs now too small or too big or something?

Anyways, I went to another Target today that had Buzzsaw, Runabout, AND Sideways. The shelve was full to the brim, so I guessed that the others were in the backstock. I found a logistic team member nearby and he went to the back and came out with Snarl and Longrack. (Guess he forgot about that little rule or just didn't care. ) So I got those two and Sideways.

Longrack: Not much to say here. Like this one in Armada, still like him now. His head is a little bit too small. The right arm gimmick actually works on this version, unlike Hoist.

Snarl: At first I wasn't going to get this guy, but The more I saw of him the more I liked. His upperbody is mostly pearl white, so lots of detail gets lost unless you're up close. My paint pen will fix that soon enough. His right arm is actually the wolf's head from beast mode, which is kinda weird at first but not so bad once you're used to it. The arm itself would be better if his force chip gimmick was better. Once inserted, the mouth opens and fangs come out. Its not too great, the fangs are not long at all. It would be a little better if it held, but you have press on the key to keep it open or it will pop out. After fiddling with it a minute, I found that if you turn the blue patches of fur that move when you insert the key forward with the force chip inserted it will hold. But the chip has to stay in. The arms themselves have pretty good movement. The legs do not. Forward and backward movement are unhindered, but the knees don't bend that much. They can't move out at all, so no wide stances here. The tail from beast mode becomes either a gun or a sword tanks the hands swivel. It looks a little silly in beast mode. Beast mode itself is servicable, but the legs could have used more movement. If you can live with the limited leg articulation in bot mode, then I would recommend this figure.

Sideways: Out of the three, this one is the best. He's waaaaaaay better than Armada Sideswipe. He looks slick in both modes. Articulation is excellent. Aside from basic movent, he has wrist movement and ball jointed hips giving him wide range of movement and poses. Only oversight is that his shoulders do not lock in. Its no where near as bad as Thundercracker, but can be annoying at time. The wings stored on his legs can be used as swords in both hands, or doubled up Darth Maul style. The force chip gimmick on his right arm does two things: Switches the faction symbol from bot to con, and pops out some orange blades. Unfortunatly to keep the symbol to con, the chip has to stay inserted, which means you can't have the blades retracted and have the con symbol shown. The gimmick area is hinged so it can raise and the blades be used in vehicle mode. Simply put this is one of the best deluxes in the line. Highly recommended!

Chaddymac
10-26-2005, 02:16 AM
Are the pegs now too small or too big or something?


Worse: They turned the pegs into slots that he's supposed to hold in his hands...only they don't fit. I can't talk about it right now...it's so stupid, it's too painful.

Adam
10-26-2005, 11:49 PM
Worse: They turned the pegs into slots that he's supposed to hold in his hands...only they don't fit. I can't talk about it right now...it's so stupid, it's too painful.

That..... is really dumb. Wow.

JediTricks
10-27-2005, 09:28 PM
I picked up Snarl & Sideways last night, but I am tired today so I will curb my major comments till later.

Snarl is good but has super weak colors and his gimmick doesn't stay open, you have to hold the key in place for the mouth to stay open which totally sucks. Transformation is pretty clever, I like the weapon but not the missile, and the articulation is good but the arm should have rotated just above the bicep instead of only below it.

Sideways is really cool, he's so much like the prototypes it's almost weird. Both modes are good and his transformation is cool, he's well-articulated and has decent weaponry. I only wish the orange was red, this looks like a bit like halloween on Cybertron. I am very pleased with this figure, almost the same level as Red Alert which is my best friend after all. ;)



(Snarl) After fiddling with it a minute, I found that if you turn the blue patches of fur that move when you insert the key forward with the force chip inserted it will hold. But the chip has to stay in.Good find, that makes it a little better, but I suspect this trick isn't intentional and may not hold up over time.

kool-aid killer
10-28-2005, 12:00 AM
I still haven't found Decepticharge yet, that was an especially poigniant bummer when an actual S2000 blew by us on the streets tonight (actually though, it was the exact same color as Windcharger so that was kinda cool).

I saw the first TF:CY Armada Remold today, Longrack who is remolded from Armada's Hoist (an ok but overrated figure IMO), he comes with a DVD of an ep. I passed.

Hey JT, you still looking for a Decepticharge? I seen two of them at a TRU today. Let me know if youre interested in one or not.

I seen the same Alt. Prowl and Wheeljack today. Yet again i couldnt pull the trigger on either of them. Im thinking thats a sign that my interest in the line has died. :sad:

JediTricks
10-28-2005, 10:12 PM
Wow, couldn't get Prowl? He's a new mold too. Still, he is one of the lesser figs in the line, so you might wanna wait before ensuring your permanent disinterest. ;)

Thanks for the offer, but I'm gonna try to pick him up in town - I was thinking about this the other day, he's not even a new figure and doesn't come with the driveshaft.

JediTricks
10-30-2005, 05:27 PM
TF:CY Snarl - Beast mode is a wolf, techno sculpting with a little fur. The only details in beast mode I don't care for are the kibbly tail and the cyber key holder tabs on the right rear leg, the rest of the look is a powerful wolf look - I would strongly suggest removing the translucent-orange tail missile though. Beast mode has well-articulated legs with limited-tilt ball-jointed hips & shoulders, and hinged knees and ankles, and the tail can hinge one way, however the head is entirely fixed and permanently gazing a bit downward as if he's stalking some prey; the mouth doesn't stay open due to the key gimmick having it spring-loaded. The colors really bother me, the pearly white front half and dull light blue rear half with dark blue and some yellow paint accents just looks awful, the white hides a lot of the details and the overall colorscheme really makes no sense that I can discern. There's a painted Autobot logo on the left hip.

The key gimmick is the same beast and bot modes, insert the key behind the wolf head and the mouth opens up with some long translucent fangs inside coming out of its palate, also some tufts of cyber-fur on either side of the head rotate upwards, the whole thing looks like an angry dog... an angry vampire dog. The mouth doesn't stay open unless you hold the key in place though, when you let go the mouth closes and the key is pushed out of the slot - Adam on my Star Wars forums pointed out that while holding the key in if you rotate the fur-tufts around till they point forward the mouth stays open, this works but I believe it is not designed with this in mind and may stress parts over time... and it looks even sillier than before.

Transformation is fairly unique for a beast-bot, the rear end is fairly simple but the front end is clever as the whole thing folds around so the beast forelegs become the middle of the back, and there's sliding on the shoulders, and the transformation becomes quite satisfying. Looking down above the chest shows a few narrow gaps but they're easily forgiven, and folding the beast feet down obscures the hole in the lower back. Back to beast mode feels pretty quick after you get the hang of how the beast head orients onto the shoulder pegs - pay attention when first transforming to bot for a sidestep of that potential confusion.

Bot mode is pretty cool, the beast head as the oversized right forearm isn't as oddball as it seems, and the large shoulders somehow don't overwhelm the general proportions of the figure. The colors are still pretty heinous, but the redistribution of dark blue at least balances the look better than beast mode - the pearly white plastic still loses sculpted details though, especially in the newly-revealed face, shoulders and arms. The head as some dark blue paint, most of which is a bit sloppy, and the eyes are light-piped orange which would look better if not set against the pearly white plastic. Articulation is good but could be better, the lower legs are the same as beast mode except with less knee range due to rotating the lower leg, the neck rotates, each shoulder acts as a ball joint even though it's really 2 totally separate articulation points, the elbows are hinged, and the forearm rotates just below the elbow - it would have been even better with rotation above the elbow though. Snarl's weapon is his tail, it has a hinged peg handle so it can be a fat sword or a spring-loaded missile-firing gun, I don't generally care for spring-loaded missiles but the gun looks alright either way with or without; the weapon only fits in the left hand since the right one is the wolf head.

Overall, Snarl is a figure I hope gets a more wolf-like repaint in the future as there's enough here that I do like the figure, but I loathe the coloring enough to push it into underwhelming, less-than-exciting territory. It's a solid figure in both modes, the best beast in the line so far, with lots to appreciate, but it could be better too.


TF:CY Sideways - packed on a Decepticon deluxe card but with split-faction graphics and proclaiming he's from Planet X, Sideways is once again a mysterious faction-crossing Transformer. His alt mode is a sleek, futuristic space plane with forward-swept wings that have a span wider than the plane is long, and I like that the whole thing is solid instead of floppy. The plane sports plenty of details from the top, though the underside has less to look at, I especially like the cockpit with the small chromed reticle-like window on top and the long eyeslit-like windows on either side. The plane has 3 small wheels on the underside, one of mine isn't totally free but I don't care as he's not a car. The packaged transformation has the fists showing from the bottom, but if you rotate them around you get a sculpted, painted vent detail instead. The colors are an odd lot of black, silver, dark bronze, and some green and orange accents as well as translucent orange windows and part of the upper midsection - it sounds like a mishmosh, but somehow it doesn't seem that way, it's all fairly balanced (there's a lot more orange on the underside though).

The cyber key itself is one of the more nifty keys in the line, it has an interesting shape that has a Decepticon-logo molded into the back and some good sculpted detail to it, it's translucent orange with a lot of silver paint. The key gimmick in alt mode works either by just plugging the key in, which switches the faction logo from Autobot to Decepticon as long as the key is inserted, or by raising up the middle section to become a cannon, and the key changes the logo and springs out 4 translucent orange curved blades. In bot mode, the whole cannon part ends up on the left forearm like a narrow shield.

Transformation is pretty interesting once you figure out the best way to get the cannon around the rear end of the planel, and that the instructions make the leg transformation seem far more convoluted than it really is. I especially like how the head comes out of the cockpit, and how the back/cape is formed. The non-locked downward-shrug shoulders don't bother me, it's a small range of movement and I think it seems expressive.

Bot mode has long thin legs, big feet, a techno-horned head, and a cape of sorts, all of which make for a boldly sinister look, yet the bot isn't floppy even though it easily looks like it could have been. The triangular head is especially unusual, no actual face to speak of but lots of sculpted shapes with a big light-piped eye/mouth right in the middle, it's quite unique and very cool. As mentioned before, there's a chromed reticle-like window in the cockpit and since the transformation has the cockpit fold forward to open, I suppose you could leave it open and have Sideways use it as a targeting reticle. Bot mode adds more orange to the overall mix, I wish they had used a red color instead so it wouldn't look quite as halloweeny, but it is an effective contrast as it is now; a few elements are painted orange, and all of the paint is done a bit sloppily. Articulation is pretty decent, the knees hinge, the hips are ball joints and rotate at the bottom, the feet can fold down, the wrists rotate, the elbows are hinged, the biceps rotate, the shoulders are universal joints, and the neck rotates - the head lifts up slightly to turn more than a few degrees. Sideways has the cannon/blade-shield attached to his left forearm, the plate it's on can rotate and the hinges are still in play; unlike most cyber key gimmick elements, this weapon isn't ridiculously oversized, being only slightly longer than Sideway's arm. Sideways also has his wings attached to the sides of his boots, each wing is removable and has a peg at the end to become a sword, he can hold a sword in either fist, or at the top and bottom of one fist for a double-bladed sword that is as long as he is tall.

Overall, I think Sideways is really quite cool, my top favorites are Optimus Prime, Red Alert, and now Sideways. He's a mysterious side-switching character, a sleek space plane, and a sinister-looking robot; he's also a solid toy, not fragile or floppy in either mode.

Adam
10-31-2005, 01:12 AM
Sideways is the bee's knees, but he's not my best friend. ( I won't betray you yet Red! )

Galaxy Force Exigeyser ( Cybertron Hot Shot ver 2)

So on the second day of botcon I got bored after the Hasbro panel. And being bored at a convention is not good, because it ultimately leads you to buying something you probably should have waited for Target to get. But I digress. His vehicle mode is an armored car with a gun turret, sporting mostly the same color scheme as our first Hot Shot. (That being light blue for the most part with some black, red and yellow for good measure.) There is a painted Autobot symbol above the drivers seat. This symbol however overlaps a red V, which stands for "Vanguard." (Hot Shot, along with Red Alert and Scattor Shot for the Vanguard Team, in GF anyway.) One obvious feature is the return of minicon ports. I'm not sure why they left them off mosy of the earlier figures, but whatever. Transformation is not too complicated, pull back the rear end for the legs, front end splits open (Armada Optimus Prime style) head flips down, arms pull out, and done. The blade that was stored between the legs in alt mode can now be stored on the side of the left leg. Some details from the first HS are caried over, so there no mistaking who this is. They are altered slightly though, so its not the same. The force chip gimmick is the same in both modes, insert chip in the turret and it flips up revealing two missle racks. How ever the best part of this figure is what complements this gimmick. His legs each have a rectangular panel that can be flipped around to reveal more missles. Same for the shoulders, except the panel has to be opened instead of rotated. And the red bumpers on his shoulders can be opened to reveal, you guessed it, more missles. And if thats not enough, the aforementioned blade can be used in the hand or inserted into the hole on his fist. Simlpy put, this guy is pretty heavily armed. Articulation wise, he is opposite to version one. While the first version legs had decent movement, ver2 is improved allowing him to take some wide stances. The arms are slightly dissapointing in that there is no wrist or upper arm rotation. But despite that, the shoulder joint can turn 360 degrees, so all is not lost. He is a little shorter, which is an odd from a supposed upgrade, but its that bad really. I would say if you like Hot Shot version 1, then you should like this one. The neat chip gimmick and cool missle racks make this worth owning alongside the original.

JediTricks
10-31-2005, 09:24 PM
Yeah, he definitely doesn't overtake RA's status as best friend, nor Optimus' status as "BMF", but I think Sideways is probably 3rd in this line.


Cool review on Vanguard Hot Shot, but is he a deluxe-size or mega-size figure? How much did it cost ya?

Adam
11-01-2005, 07:19 PM
He is a deluxe and was about $25. That is about regular price for newer import deluxes.

Tycho
11-02-2005, 10:25 AM
You know it sucks not having Alternators I am looking forward to coming out.

What about Decepticon jets and Megatron (as a tank or Hummer?)

Skids might elicit a purchase from me when I see him, but Prowl didn't.

He might also be redone as Ironhide yet or something. (what happened to the pickup truck?)

Is Sunstreaker out? I might buy that repaint (my first repaint).

darthvyn
11-02-2005, 12:49 PM
(what happened to the pickup truck?)



the dodge ram pickup is actually going to be optimus prime! hasbro wanted to do the pickup so much, but takara was like "we don't have pickups in japan" so they decided that convoy always sells in japan, so they made him convoy!

Tycho
11-02-2005, 12:53 PM
the dodge ram pickup is actually going to be optimus prime! hasbro wanted to do the pickup so much, but takara was like "we don't have pickups in japan" so they decided that convoy always sells in japan, so they made him convoy!

Groan. While I have no idea who Convoy is, I bought the 20th Anniversary Optimus to be my Alternator leader. If the pickup has a "Prime head" I'll skip it and wait for a repaint (Ironhide, Ultra Magnus) etc.

darthvyn
11-02-2005, 01:08 PM
(convoy is prime's name in japan)

pics (http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/default.cfm?page=news&newsid=8367485A-D56F-E112-437E728764001CA0)

JediTricks
11-02-2005, 04:14 PM
He is a deluxe and was about $25. That is about regular price for newer import deluxes.
I'm hip to the import pricing thing. For some reason, I never buy imported deluxes, I have bought basics and megas, but never deluxes or ultras - and I think it is based on the price situation.

Deluxe huh? How does he compare in size to regular Hot Shot?


Waiting for the repaint on Prime is logical Tycho, I wish I had thought of it, it hadn't occurred to me. The one thing is I hate tracking down these repaints, as the line gets less popular with retailers the repaints become harder to pick up.

Adam
11-02-2005, 06:23 PM
He's actually a little bit shorter than version 1.

JediTricks
11-04-2005, 02:19 PM
Wow, really? He doesn't look it in pics, but it makes sense since he's a deluxe, the proportions would be way off if he wasn't, he looks more like a mega.

I hear Evac, Cybertron Defense Red Alert, and Wing Saber are all floating in the ether hitting e-stores and vague sightings. Those are all items I definitely want to get, so I hope they show up in my area before the end of the month.

Adam
11-04-2005, 09:10 PM
Where did you hear about Wing Saber? That one wasn't supposed to come out till the spring!

JediTricks
11-04-2005, 10:12 PM
DvD's sightings page, he says it's not a totally reliable report, so that's why it's "floating in the ether". :p

darthvyn
11-06-2005, 05:10 PM
so, the second purchase of non-alternator TF in recent times is "brakedown". this guy is awesome for a scout-class toy. the vehicle mode is really out there and cool looking, and the bot-mode is just as cool looking. with ball-joing knees, and nice looking legs, he really makes a good ACTION figure, the weapon looks cool, and he's got my new favorite gimmic - LIGHT PIPE EYE!!! once again, we get the light-up eye, and it looks really cool with his translucent green parts. color scheme is nice, with light gray offsetting black with metallic gold paint. all in all, very worth the $7-8.

JediTricks
11-07-2005, 07:48 PM
Translucent GREEN parts? They seem yellow to me, a bit on the orange side even. I've only seen Brakedown at the store as I bought the Japanese version, but he definitely is one of my favs in this line. The basic/scout pricepoint has been producing some really good TFs the past few years - during the RiD line a few years ago Hasbro discovered that the Spychanger 2packs (basic pricepoint, 2 Hot Wheels-size simple transformers) sold better than anything else, eventually they did the Armada Minicons and Energon had lots to offer as well. Cybertron has Armorhide, Scattorshot, Clocker, the new minicon team, Brakedown, and Undermine that are all really cool.

darthvyn
11-07-2005, 08:35 PM
mine are definitely greenish yellowish. no orange here...

matthewilw
11-08-2005, 09:56 PM
I hear Evac, Cybertron Defense Red Alert, and Wing Saber are all floating in the ether hitting e-stores and vague sightings.

Evac is definately out now. I just picked one up at my local wally-world (south Texas) along with sideways. So far I absolutely LOVE sideways (almost in Action Fleet scale, too!) and really like Evac. I'm not a big fan of having such huge things stuck on the forearms, and I just plain hate the paintjob. But I think he is worth the $20. I'll post some pictures if anyones interested.

Adam
11-08-2005, 10:56 PM
Yarg, looks like I'll be hitting my Wal-Mart tomorrow.

Adam
11-09-2005, 04:17 PM
Found Evac today too. I don't mind his paint job, but his left arm is a little annoying with the blades there. When are we going to get a helicopter that can use his blades as swords?

JediTricks
11-09-2005, 04:19 PM
Glad to hear you dig Evac, no surprise that you dig Sideways, he's the man. ;) Evac seems cool, the colors are pretty awful but I know I'll end up buying him.

I hear Evac is hitting Target too, but I checked the one in Eagle Rock and no dice. My TRU had 3 Mudflaps though, I hear it's shipping with Evac, so it's possible I missed it there.

That TRU had Alternators Decepticharge, so I picked him up finally - he's good, but some joints are too loose while others too strong, and I don't like his head, so he's not great.

Adam
11-10-2005, 11:09 PM
I just saw on TFW, that wave 4 basics have hit already. Brushguard (Overhaul repaint), Backstop, Street Speed minicons, Wreckloose USA-exclusive.

JediTricks
11-11-2005, 02:53 PM
Yeah, I saw that on DvD's page too, looks like more to look for while shopping, that's always fine by me. More transformers is only a good thing. I wish basics were a buck cheaper, I'd be more inclined to buy repaints like Brushguard and the street speed team, but at $7 they're almost the price of a deluxe.

Adam
11-11-2005, 08:16 PM
Thankfully, nothing in this wave interests me.

matthewilw
11-12-2005, 01:51 AM
for anyone who hasn't found Evac yet, he's listed on the wal-mart website for just $15 along with mudflap and a few others.

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=4104267

JediTricks
11-12-2005, 02:41 PM
I didn't know about the price reduction, but I picked up Evac at WM last night and he was indeed $14.97 (I didn't notice till I got home and looked at the receipt).

Evac is pretty cool, the alt mode is good and the only real complaints I have, besides the colorscheme which applies to bot mode as well, is that viewed from the side there are 2 medium-small gaps near the back of the body, and the bot hips are exposed. Other than that, the helicopter looks good, it's rare to get a non-military copter in the TF line but this one delivers very well, the landing gear is retractable and the tail rotors spin, and with the missiles set aside the launchers look like propulsion jets which is good, plus the gimmick is straightforward and works well. Transformation is pretty neat, not at all like other copter TFs, satisfying and uses parts well, even the tail isn't just a big stick of kibble. Bot mode is also cool, a good amount of articulation, the forearm gimmicks aren't overwhelming, and the backpack weapon can fold up behind his head to aim into the sky or up above his head like a hat to fire straight ahead. All in all, Evac is a great bot, a cool transformation, and a good copter.

One odd thing about Evac, it's not mentioned in his instructions but his legs telescope down 7mm, just enough to make his legs seem overly long. :p However, this has 1 advantage, with the legs extended, the blade weapon can go fully vertical with his arm straight down.

JediTricks
11-13-2005, 07:04 PM
I paid $14.24, not 14.97 like I thought, just like on that page of theirs. Great deal! :D

Here's my review of Evac, and I finally got around to reviewing sucko, I mean, Leobreaker...

TF:CY Evac - Alt mode is pretty cool, so let me get this out of the way quick: the only things I don't like are the colorscheme (not loud tho', just kinda "meh"), and from the side there are a couple small gaps in the mid-body - the rear of which could have been filled easily by the back of the waist piece. Overall, the alt mode isn't a war machine, so it has cleaner lines and uses them well, the fold-up landing gear is a good touch, and the key gimmick - sans missiles - doesn't look out of place and works nicely making the jet thrusters flip around to become forward-firing guns; the other gimmicks, the gear-driven rotor and the rescue winch, work well too but I wish the rescue rope was longer, the winch body rotates and has the Autobot logo on it. The copter's rotors don't lock into place as well as I'd like, but it's not usually a problem as long as they don't hit anything. Alt mode is solid when everything's together, and I already had a 3-foot fall and nothing broke.

Transformation is pretty cool, very different from other TF copters, the cockpit becomes the legs while the upper fuselage and engine becomes the arms. The waist and shoulders require a bit of strength to get locked down, but better too hard than too weak. I like the slide-up head and how the backpack is formed, the split-apart tail becoming the cape, it's all quite satisfying. Oddly, the instructions don't mention it, but the legs telescope down less than a centimeter, I think so that the removable copter blade mounted on the forearm can rotate when his arm is down without hitting the ground, but the legs look too long this way so I don't prefer it.

Bot mode is nifty, kinda big boots but not outrageous, the overall look is fairly straightforward bot territory with nothing crazy or weird, the figure is solid with no floppy parts and unlike most TF copters no useless stick tail that they don't know what to do with; plus, the key gimmick engine half becomes a jetpack. The winch and spinning rotors gimmick are permanently attached to the sides of each arm, but they don't overwhelm and they both can rotate. The colors add more blue to the balance, but the legs keep it looking mostly orange; the face is light orange paint surrounded by light blue plastic and has dark blue light-piped eyes, they look very dark when "off", but once light shines through they come alive. Evac has pretty good articulation with standard neck and waist, and universal shoulders, elbows, hips, and knees, plus the tail-cape halves can swing up and the backpack is articulated so it can move up behind his head; the waist won't turn until you lift up the hip panels, but then it and everything else is unrestricted. Poseability is very good, although standing straight up he leans back slightly. The weapons start with the winch under his right arm, push the button and it recoils the string; the rotor-spinner on the side of his left arm, the blades can be folded from 4 to 2 and the whole array can be removed; the tail-cape halves apparently move to the up position for attack mode, I guess the tail rotors make some wind attack; and the backpack goes from jet thrusters to pointing straight up, you can then lift the backpack up behind the head to fire the missiles in a ballistic trajectory at around 30 degrees, or lift it all the way up over the head so it becomes a hat that fires straight forward.

Overall, this is another very good addition to this line, outstanding without being needlessly flashy, substance over style. He's a fun toy and a cool figure, another really good Transformer and one of the best TF copters ever.


TF:CY Leobreaker - it's taken me quite a while to review the underwhelming Leobreaker, I don't hate him but he's just not good enough I suppose. Alt mode is a lion, dull gold with white, off-black, brown, and green accents in color, and there's plenty of sculpted detail but some feels chunky like they up-sized a smaller figure. The rear upper legs are disproportionately long, but otherwise it's a fairly adequate techno-lion. The figure has standard elbows/knees and front hips, hinged ankles and a second hinge on the front feet, the rear hips are 1-click limited universal joints, the front forelimbs can rotate, and the mouth drops down slightly when you press the green button on the head, the tail and head aren't articulated at all; there's also a hinge in the middle of the shoulder, makes it look like the limb broke in half, I don't think it has any practical use in alt mode. I didn't even bother putting the batteries in to hear the sound effect, I hear it's just a simple snarling sound, if they had made the eyes light up too I would have gone for it though, but alas. The main gimmick is sticking the key into either forelimb causes a large claw on it to drop down over the hands, it doesn't look especially good stowed or over the paws though.

Transformation to bot mode avoids the classic "stand up, you're a robot" syndrome by having the front half of the lion on 2 arms which let it uncouple from the body and change orientation so the lion head is now where the bottom of the chest used to be, I like it but it's a little too close to being a Lego part (totally removed for transformation, which I don't generally approve of). The limbs are just straightened out, the head is revealed in a nifty way from the middle of the beast back, and I appreciate that there's not a gaping hole where the head came from, the neck is on a plate which seals it up.

Bot mode is alright but not spectacular, the head seems a little simple somehow, like they took a smaller head and scaled it up, it's not terrible but it could have had more depth or detail; the arms are definitely too long; but the shoulders are muscular without looking oversized so it's more humanoid. I think his build, especially with the shoulders, somehow give the impression that he's a big burly scrapper yet somehow still lesser than Optimus, like he's smaller than he actually is yet he isn't, and I like that. Unfortunately, the figure bombs out on articulation, he has a standard neck, shoulders, and forearms, the same limited uni-jointed hips, a sideways hinge in the middle of each shoulder/bicep, hinged elbows, wrists, ankles, and thumbs - it sounds like a lot more than it is, really, the neck is very limited, there's an ugly gap above the knees, the leg articulation is mainly worthless, and the standard shoulders kinda ruin the party for me, if they were universal I would have liked this figure a lot more, instead they tried to fudge uni-jointing by putting a hinge in the middle of his oversized shoulder - you could call it his bicep - so he can "flap" outwards, if you didn't use this articulation his arms whack right into the front of his hips and can't get past, this hinge makes it look like his upper arm has snapped in 2 with a lot of open space between the parts, it's total crap. The crappy shoulder situation and the lack of leg articulation bring this figure down a lot, it's a real shame. The tail weapon cannot be properly stowed, you can wedge it under the plate behind his butt or something, but it doesn't go anywhere besides in his hand, using a small peg into his palm. Key gimmick works the same, except now the hands are longer so the gimmick is even less impressive as the claws are barely longer than that. I want to like Leobreaker's robot mode, it has some things I like, but overall it's a frustration.

Transformation to happy arm buddy mode is negligible, from bot mode, stow the head, fold up the feet, remove the forearms and plug them into the feet... and voila, you've got a robot lion with no arms, or as Hasbro is trying to pass it off, a giant arm which can attach to Optimus or Megatron. It looks amazingly shoddy, there's no "hand" to speak of, you can move one of the heelspurs to be a thumb and pretend the bot forearms are giant fingers, but it just looks like a bot hanging off the side of another bot, any TF figure could have done this by simply adding the adapter peg. Plus, it's way too large on Optimus, Megatron's leg articulation isn't hardy enough to keep this contraption upright, and Leobreaker's forearms on his legs actually looks WORSE than if they hadn't been used at all, even the key gimmick's claws are adding NOTHING to the party. Leobreaker's adapter peg can rotate, slide, and the inner part of the peg can slide, I guess because the arm is so big it hits parts on Optimus while turning and has to be adjusted constantly.

Overall, I don't hate Leobreaker, but he's a disappointing figure and a waste of $20. Maybe if they hadn't wasted resources on electronics they could have afforded a better design with a real hand, or how about some real shoulder and leg articulation, but they didn't and the end result is underwhelming.

darthvyn
11-30-2005, 08:22 AM
so i FINALLY got the chance to contact hasbro about my "exclusive birth-defect alternator grimlock" (put together with two right hands) and they wanted to send me a return label to ship it to them, and they would send me back AN alternator, not guaranteeing that it would be the SAME alternator. they wouldn't just send me the part. i told them i didn't want to do that, and they asked me if i wanted any coupons, so i said yes to that. meh.

El Chuxter
11-30-2005, 08:50 AM
You still got the receipt for the original, and is it still valid? I might still be able to get you a Grimlock somewhere around here. He still occasionally pops up. Then you could exchange the old one for a different Alternator or something.

darthvyn
11-30-2005, 10:04 AM
nah, i don't have the receipt, or the packaging, or the will to dust him off or anything... they're sending me coupons. if i can find another grimlock and buy him with the coupon, then maybe i'll send the deformed one back, and just accept whatever they send me... i don't know if they'd go for that, though.

JediTricks
11-30-2005, 03:03 PM
so i FINALLY got the chance to contact hasbro about my "exclusive birth-defect alternator grimlock" (put together with two right hands) and they wanted to send me a return label to ship it to them, and they would send me back AN alternator, not guaranteeing that it would be the SAME alternator. they wouldn't just send me the part. i told them i didn't want to do that, and they asked me if i wanted any coupons, so i said yes to that. meh. Yeah, that's the policy they have, I had to send back my Energon Battle Ravage figure due to breakage. They were quick about replacing it though, totally sealed new item. As long as it's still in production or they have plenty in the warehouse, they will be able to replace it with the same item.


BTW, I got Brushguard last week, that's Overhaul's Decepticon repaint. Functionally identical, they smoothed over the faction logo from the original and just tampoed the 'Con logo on the shoulder this time. The hood has a silver circle with a sort of wavelength line in the middle, other than that the pale blue and dark blue doesn't really do it for me, the lighter color further accents the lack of detail in both modes as well as bringing to light how ugly the shoulder design really is. The silver on the bot face does help make him look different from Overhaul, and the purple light-piped eyes are alright too if not as powerful as they could be. The purple painted claws are an oddity as well.

Adam
12-01-2005, 07:31 PM
Wait - you bought that? I thought you weren't hip to the Overhaul mold.

JediTricks
12-01-2005, 08:36 PM
I wasn't that down on the mold, he's "a'ight". Plus, it's been a slow time, I want more new TFs and I caved. And finally, can't have enough Decepticons.

plasticfetish
12-01-2005, 08:50 PM
Just saw this, thought you guys might like to see also. (I get really jealous of those TRU Japan exclusives.)

Links to bigger images:
http://home.comcast.net/~plasticfetish/images/transformers/fig-oh_bt-16_a.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~plasticfetish/images/transformers/fig-oh_ex-02_a.jpg

Tycho
12-02-2005, 03:09 AM
I'm ready for new Alternators.

I saw Prowl in Wal-Mart, but that's the newest I've seen.

I want a non-Optimus Prime version of a pickup truck (hopefully Ironhide but looks like Prime took the red color scheme from him).

I never did see Sunstreaker and want to possibly have a chance at getting him - the only repaint I'd buy.

Adam
12-02-2005, 09:21 PM
Sunstreaker hasn't been released stateside as of yet.

JediTricks
12-03-2005, 05:12 PM
Gold Prime, I hadn't seen that yet, that's pretty bonkers. The Wingsaber/Prime set I had seen, it has Prime enjoying translucent parts, but that doesn't appeal to me. The BT and BTA versions of Skids look way better.

Adam
12-04-2005, 03:09 PM
I saw the Gold Superlink Omega Supreme at Botcon this year.. it was glorious.