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El Chuxter
07-02-2006, 11:10 AM
Tycho, I think we're the only two people posting in this thread who find sparks to be an abomination and feel that MiniCons don't really exist. :)

Tycho
07-02-2006, 01:10 PM
I say "let the Mouse Droids take on the min-Cons and we'll see who wins!"

And I don't even know who Sparks is. The Alternators RULE!

JediTricks
07-02-2006, 02:59 PM
Thank you for the info again, JT. I forgot. It's late. And the info about Tracks and Meister shelf-warmers will prove very helpful, too.
A likely excuse. ;) Good luck finding one, and let us know if you do.


Hmm, I think I may not be the only person posting in this thread who finds Chux to be an abomination and doesn't really exist. :p


Tycho, the "spark" is the Transformer soul, a fragment of the Allspark, Primus' life force. And your precious mouse droids don't even have wheels, they're just hollow shells that smell bad, so Minicons take the gold.

Tycho
07-02-2006, 03:35 PM
Tycho, the "spark" is the Transformer soul, a fragment of the Allspark, Primus' life force. And your precious mouse droids don't even have wheels, they're just hollow shells that smell bad, so Minicons take the gold.


OK - I thought Cybertron was the originator "god" that created each and every one of the Transformer's souls - giving them something of himself? The planet was actually what the god transformed into himself, and Unicron was the evil twin brother who was jealous- or something like that. I never heard of Primus - some background please (and relate it to G1 somehow so I can understand it). I've read only part of DK's guidebook to Transformers.

And Mouse Droids don't smell bad! They smell like success - when you successfully leave Wal-Mart or Target with new little plastic toys you didn't have before. "I love the smell of plastic in the morning." Have you sniffed a Mouse Droid lately?

JediTricks
07-02-2006, 06:32 PM
OK - I thought Cybertron was the originator "god" that created each and every one of the Transformer's souls - giving them something of himself? The planet was actually what the god transformed into himselfThat is pretty much it, and it turns out that Primus *is* the planet Cybertron.


Here's the review of Menasor, I did it freestyle and naturally it turned out way too long. :p

Transformers Cybertron Menasor - I bought this specifically because the included Minicon fits inside the chest, and also my Decepticon ranks always need bolstering. Let me start off by saying that I don't think Hasbro's packaging department understands what this figure is about at all, they misinterpreted how the vehicle mode should be put together, what the electronic gimmick does, what's going on with the Minicon's inclusion into secondary alt mode, and why the Minicon goes into the chest in bot mode; I also think they needed to make 1 more pass at this thing's design before releasing it as there's a few too many questionable choices and downright flaws.

Vehicle mode as the toy seems to be designed is a dual-drill tank, there's not much more here than a robot face down, the arms are close to the body and plug into the feet stabilizing the rear end, the packaging and instructions suggest that even though the arms and feet have that obviously-intentional interlocking feature, they're NEVER used so the arms stick further out to the side and look silly while the rear end just flops about as it doesn't lock down (plus with the arms close and plugged into the feet, it looks less like a robot laying face down). Menasor's colors are ok but nothing to write home about, they're a cool tone (dark blue with light tan) which would work for a sea vehicle but he's a land drill. The sculpted detail is good, some little and big details with nothing blank or boring, and the tiny cockpit on top suggests he's very very large; there's a stubby clear aqua cannon in front of the cockpit. There are 6 minicon hardpoints on Menasor, only 1 does anything - attach the Heavyload to the right arm, slide it forward, and the clear aqua claws reveal while the drill rotates (it's kinda stiff though). The key gimmick sets off an annoying sound and a little red light behind the left arm's clear aqua drill head, the instructions say that when you turn the wheel that rotates the drill it sets off sounds, but this sets off no sounds at all - new or otherwise - so save your batteries (like Vector Prime, the cyber key gimmick is only about electronics and thus pretty worthless). The left drill is supposed to spin when you roll him but the wheel is too shallow to engage often. Heavyload, has an ok but nothing special vehicle mode, a plow dump truck with a very small minicon symbol sculpted on the side of the bed, the black and dark aqua are ok but the gold-tan plastic doesn't work. Heavyload can also form the middle of the plow blade at the front of Menasor's secondary vehicle mode, split the plow apart and rotate the plow's internal wheels, fold up Heavyload's plow, slide the tabs on the rear of the truck bed into the plow halves - Menasor's arms also need to be moved out of the way and I think they're supposed to be up in the air actually (there's wheels on the plow blade which could only come into play with the arms up), done this way it doesn't look half bad really.

As for Menasor's transformation I've seen Minicons with better ones, the Ultra curse lives on! Basically just stand him up, move the hips down, straighten limbs, and if you want to, open the half-hearted shell behind the head to create half-hearted wings. The instructions give him a construction mode which is literally just not moving the hips out of position, it looks ridiculous and squat with super-huge arms. Hell, even the minicon here gets a more creative transformation with the torso folding down and the head flipping over.

Menasor's full robot mode has some decent paint and lots of detail sculpting, the only weathering though is some brushed silver behind the drills of the "hands". The head is pretty alien, almost birdlike with no mouth or nose and just a little nasty-looking, the crest and eyes are lightpiped. Menasor's chest has a small Decepticon logo painted on a window, just below that are a pair of blasters that can rotate from all the way up to all the way down. Menasor's build is big but not wide which is good, the size comes from the long arms and big boots (the rest of the figure is dark aqua, black, and gold-tan so why they left the boots all light tan is beyond me); there are several detail panels inserted into various areas, an interesting way to bring more to the party. Menasor is fairly well articulated with standard neck, universal shoulders and hips, swivel biceps and thighs, hinged elbows and knees and ankles, and rotating "wrists" - a lot of the parts are ratchets even though Menasor isn't really heavy enough that he must have 'em. The drill gimmicks still do the same thing, and the top wheel on the left arm really works great here. Since there wasn't much to the vehicle mode, the only kibble are the wings sticking out the back. I wish the right claw wasn't tied into the minicon gimmick, without that claw the robot mode's long arms both end in drills which makes him unable to do a lot of stuff, the claw really doesn't even work that well since the drill even retracted gets in the way by sticking out 3/4ths the length of the claw. Menasor's bot mode looks good and even balanced, and if you ignore the fact that he's supposed to be WAAAAY bigger than the other Cybertron figures, he fits in well with the Cybertron scale being around the same size as non-super-mode Optimus. 2/3rds of the minicon hardpoints end up unusable as they're on the inside of the lower leg, in fact the hardpoints on each leg actually hit each other when he's standing upright.

Unfortunately, Menasor has a major design flaw, his waist is supposed to slide together but the halves only hold by 2 squares which don't lock or anything so the waist comes apart incredibly easily, violently throwing him into the splits. This is pretty disasterous really as it undermines the robot mode so thoroughly, and since the hardpoints push apart straight standing legs his best chances for the waist not coming apart are a 1-click-out spread leg pose (luckily this is a good pose). It looks like the 2 squares were supposed to have tabs going on as well but it didn't happen and the figure suffers greatly.

Heavyload's robot mode is bulky and wide with a tiny head set far back and a lot of backpack behind him, his arms are long and thin with fists sculpted into the underside halves of the truck bed, his legs are proportional boots, and his minicon connection point is now hidden inside his back, there's a little sculpted detail but he needs more as he seems rather plain; that plow kibble on his backpack pops off too easily. The color is mostly all gold-tan with black arms and aqua legs, his face is a small red visor. He's got ball-jointed shoulders on sideways hinges from the transformation scheme, so he can actually raise his arms to the sides; ball-jointed elbows; hinged hips; and his mid-torso is hinged from transformation so he can lean forward, this joint is sorta loose though. He's not among my favorite Minicons but also definitely not the worst.

Open Menasor's chest and inside is a lot of sculpted detailing, even on the inside of the door. The inside is exactly the shape of Heavyload standing up, slide him in, close the door and he's even got a window you can see his head through, Hasbro calls this minicon-storage but I think it's meant to suggest that Heavyload is piloting Menasor like a battlesuit which seems really cool.

Overall, Hasbro's packaging aside, the vehicle mode ain't that bad, the minicon interaction there is alright, the bot looks better than I expected, and I love the minicon-in-the-chest gimmick. Even if I overlook that he doesn't exactly have hands and the electronic gimmick is awful and the vehicle mode rear end doesn't lock down, he still has a very serious flaw in how his waist falls apart constantly and this kills the figure.

El Chuxter
07-02-2006, 06:42 PM
Tycho, Primus originated in the last 25 issues of Marvel's Transformer comic (#56-80). Basically, the line was going to pot, so they brought in the popular writer of the UK Transformers comic (Simon Furman) and essentially gave him free reign to turn Transformers into a huge sci-fi epic. He did an excellent job, though it didn't help sales enough to keep the book from eventually being cancelled. I think that whole story arc is in a few trade paperbacks, and I highly recommend checking them out.

Unicron was a dark god, the antithesis of Primus, and both were trapped in planetoids near the dawn of time when Primus decided it was better to sacrifice himself than to allow Unicron to survive. Unicron learned how to manipulate his new shell, becoming the nasty entity we know and love, and Primus created the Transformers to defeat him. Unicron could only be defeated by the Matrix, Primus' life force, or by a unified Autobot-Decepticon army.

(I should mention that the TV show and the comic were different continuities.)

Sparks originated in Beast Wars and, well, were retconned into G1 when Dreamwave put out their pice of carp comic a couple of years ago. They do not really exist. True G1 Transformers call their souls, well, souls. End of story. (And they don't call themselves G1, since there are no other Transformers.) :p

figrin bran
07-02-2006, 07:09 PM
i'll take sparks over midichlorians any day :p (though they took that highfalutin concept too far in Beast Machines)

i picked up titanium starscream and the ark today. i'm kind of wishing i didn't get the first one. the sculpt isn't that great and even some of the takara pvc's and heroes collection have better sculpts. i also didn't like the boba fett carkoon esque vapor trails that you use to stand Starscream up.

the ark on the other hand is nicely done though i wish the silver flaps on the ends of the wings could have been die cast as well and not plastic.

Chaddymac
07-02-2006, 07:20 PM
Speaking of Primus, I bought Cybertron Primus at TRU the other day. I think he's pretty cool. Looks great next to Unicron in either mode, actually. I like his transformation too. The cyber key post thingy (checks instructions...) also known as the "Omega Lock" kind of transforms him for you. But I got to say, it's still pretty fun. And he looks cool in either mode. I recommend him.

Tycho
07-02-2006, 10:42 PM
What does Primus transform into?

Why do Decepticons exist?

Adam
07-02-2006, 11:13 PM
That is pretty much it, and it turns out that Primus *is* the planet Cybertron.

Hmmmm......

El Chuxter
07-02-2006, 11:32 PM
The Illustrated Guide was the first time it was revealed Primus could transform. Prior to that, he was just a head (which looked astonishingly like Hot Rod's) in the center of Cybertron.

This pic shows a scene from TF #58 (?), when Grimlock, Bumblebee, and Jazz, all recently returned to the land of the living after the Autobots suffered a devastating defeat at the hands of a mystically superpowered Starscream, stumble upon Primus and his mysterious guardian while escaping from a death squad consisting of Bludgeon (best Pretender EVER), Strangelhold, and Octopunch.

Decepticons. . . uh, well, uh, to have conflict? I don't doubt Furman would've gone further in exploring such issues, but the series didn't last. There were three other epic story arcs beginning when the series ended that weren't addressed in the shorter-lived Generation 2 series a couple of years later (a mysterious other race of mechanoids that ate one of the Battlechargers and fought the Dinobots while claiming to be the original inhabitants of Cybertron; a strange mental bond between Ratchet and Megatron that formed when Ratchet tried to sacrifice himself by destroying Megatron in a space bridge explosion, but failed and the two were melted together into one hideous beast; and the effects of Nucleon, which granted great power to Grimlock and revived many other dead Transformers, but which was supposed to have a very dark side effect). Galvatron from a parallel timeline had also arrived in our present, and allied himself with the present-day Megatron, and their tale was cut short when Furman had to bring in Fort Max to deal with Galvatron an issue before the series ended so it wasn't such a huge hanging thread.

(Funny thing: Galvatron spent all of the Generation 2 series frozen somewhere in the Arctic as a result of this final battle, and for some reason Megatron never bothered to dig him out of the ice. But it never mentioned the fact that Ratchet could feel Meg's thoughts, either. Overall, not Furman's best writing.)

Stories Furman wrote in Transformers UK and in Transformers Generation 2 implied that there were thirteen original Transformers, but one (Liege Maximo) had been long forgotten. I suppose differences among these led to their creating two opposing armies?

Or the one detail from the TV show about the TF's origins I really liked: at one point, Cybertron was conquered by the Quintessons (who, in the comics, were Unicron's equivalent to the Transformers) and the enslavement of Cybertron led to the two different factions.

Tycho
07-03-2006, 01:40 AM
Or the one detail from the TV show about the TF's origins I really liked: at one point, Cybertron was conquered by the Quintessons (who, in the comics, were Unicron's equivalent to the Transformers) and the enslavement of Cybertron led to the two different factions.

Yeah, now I remember that. Rodimus Prime uncovered some of that history, didn't he? One good thing that came out of the generation-change part of the G1 show.

Chaddymac
07-03-2006, 06:50 PM
What does Primus transform into?

Why do Decepticons exist?
Primus transforms from the planet Cybertron into a robot, much like Unicron.

Decepticons are there because free will exists? Or, maybe Decepticons exist much like in the cartoon because another race enslaved the Cybertronians for a time and modified them into warriors and servants, who would then evolve respectively into the Decepticons and Autobots? Or maybe Primus needed his warriors to be strong in order to defeat Unicron and therefore needed them hardened by continous war and strife?

Or maybe Primus goofed up.

EDIT* Or what Chux said...

Adam
07-03-2006, 09:14 PM
Or the one detail from the TV show about the TF's origins I really liked: at one point, Cybertron was conquered by the Quintessons (who, in the comics, were Unicron's equivalent to the Transformers) and the enslavement of Cybertron led to the two different factions.


It is a widely known FACT, that Quintessons suck and are the worst thing to happen to Transformers. :yes:

Chaddymac
07-03-2006, 11:01 PM
It is a widely known FACT, that Quintessons suck and are the worst thing to happen to Transformers. :yes:
No, I'm pretty sure that Wheelie is where Transformers jumped the shark. The Quintessons were on the downswing.

Tycho
07-03-2006, 11:01 PM
I transformed 3 of my ALternators because they're easier to store in car modes: Smokescreen, Jazz (who the heck calls him Meister except morons at Hasbro?), and I just converted Sunstreaker. It will be Hound, Tracks, or 20th Anniversary Prime next. Wheeljack is much harder to deal with and I'm not in the mood. Anyway, I'll be storing my bots while I have a lot of company visit me here for Comic Con. IMO, they're too easy to break and I'd rather be responsible for doing it than anyone else who may be tempted to "play with the toys." They're not toys! They're collectible memorobilia!

Adam
07-04-2006, 12:10 AM
(who the heck calls him Meister except morons at Hasbro?)

People from Japan.


Hasbro were not being morons when they called him that. Granted, I would take "Autobot Jazz" since they didn't have the right to Jazz over Meister. But I wouldn't think it stupid for them to call it Meister.

Tycho
07-04-2006, 12:23 AM
One entry found for meister.


Main Entry: mei·ster
Pronunciation: 'mIs-t&r
Function: noun
Etymology: Yiddish mayster & German Meister master, from Middle High German meister, from Old High German meistar, from Latin magister -- more at MASTER
: one who is knowledgeable about something specified -- often used in combination <puzzle-meister>

OK. I thought it was a distempered, anti-social, old man. That doesn't describe Jazz.

But I guess he's a "master" as he was Prime's chief lieuteniant along with Prowl. (Not sure how the command rank actually worked out: 1st Officer, 2nd Officer - but those 2 were up there).

Using a German word for his name makes sense before, as he was a Porsche (a German-made car). But now his Alternator is a - well what is he? An Acura? Mazda? Where is that kind of car manufactured (actually a better question would be, where is that auto company owned)?

Chaddymac
07-04-2006, 02:01 AM
One entry found for meister.


Main Entry: mei·ster
Pronunciation: 'mIs-t&r
Function: noun
Etymology: Yiddish mayster & German Meister master, from Middle High German meister, from Old High German meistar, from Latin magister -- more at MASTER
: one who is knowledgeable about something specified -- often used in combination <puzzle-meister>

OK. I thought it was a distempered, anti-social, old man. That doesn't describe Jazz.

But I guess he's a "master" as he was Prime's chief lieuteniant along with Prowl. (Not sure how the command rank actually worked out: 1st Officer, 2nd Officer - but those 2 were up there).

Using a German word for his name makes sense before, as he was a Porsche (a German-made car). But now his Alternator is a - well what is he? An Acura? Mazda? Where is that kind of car manufactured (actually a better question would be, where is that auto company owned)?
He's a Mazda RX-8. It's Japanese. So, an argument could be made for using the Japanese name for Jazz.

Tycho
07-04-2006, 04:13 AM
Hey, what is it with German automobile manufacturers?

Hypersensitivity about the Third Reich no doubt.

But in G1, BumbleBee was obviously a Volkswagon, Jazz a Porshe (as was Dead End), I don't think they made any BMW or Mercedes, but why didn't those car companies sue Hasbro? That was the 80's - well after the Holocaust and Hitler's plan for "breathing room."

So those cars having been made for Transformers in the obvious design patterns (I mean does anybody have trouble telling a Porsche 911 by looking at it?), why don't those car companies just allow Hasbro, Michael Bay, et all to use their likenesses?

BumbleBee is not going to transform and start killing Jews or overrun Belgium and there's no nursery rhime that says:

I see a Porsche
I see Jazz
I see the Autobots
Invading France....

El Chuxter
07-04-2006, 09:53 AM
I think two or three mortals could overtake Bumblebee, so not much danger there. :)

I think Bumblebee slipped by Volkswagen before because there were, at least at the time the original Japanese toy was designed, three or four other manufacturers worldwide who made cars that looked almost exactly like Beetles, so at the small scale there was no way to prove he was a Beetle (although we all knew that's what he was). But now, VW is the only manufacturer of the New Beetle, and, unfortunately, a lot of folks consider the Beetle to be an old pice of carp, not the glorious antique it truly is.

darthvyn
07-04-2006, 10:26 AM
Re:Meister

OK. I thought it was a distempered, anti-social, old man. That doesn't describe Jazz.

:confused: :confused: :confused:

where the hell did you get that?

meister was the japanese name for the same character you know as jazz. just like optimus' "real" name is convoy (according to the japanese.) i don't know too many other counterpart names, but most likely the japanese have no idea who any of your favorite characters are - until you show them a picture.

Tycho
07-04-2006, 12:45 PM
Meister and especially Convoy are both stupid names for those respective characters IMO.

That's a lot like calling Starscream "Air Support."

JediTricks
07-04-2006, 04:16 PM
The reason Hasbro didn't name the Alternator "Autobot Jazz" is because there's already a car on the market now called the Jazz in Japan and Europe, Honda's actually been using the name all over the world for their various cars and motorcycles for quite some time, currently the Honda Jazz is the European name for what we know as the Honda Fit here in the US. If Hasbro had released Meister as "Autobot Jazz" they would have gotten Honda ticked at them.

"Meister" is the name I think of with this figure, he doesn't seem that much like Jazz to me.

Germans *are* sensitive about their products being interpretted as war machines, VW, Mercedes Benz, and Porshe all were products used heavily by the Third Reich, they don't want to be associated with that anymore.


But in G1, BumbleBee was obviously a Volkswagon, Jazz a Porshe (as was Dead End), I don't think they made any BMW or Mercedes, but why didn't those car companies sue Hasbro?Bumblebee is actually a Penny Racer version of a Volkswagon Beetle, that's why he's that odd shape, the Takara line he came from that was his REAL WORLD size (he was meant to blend in with children's toys, and become a tiny robot in the real world). G1 got away with it because back then it was a lot easier to get away with copyright infringement and the toyline at the time wasn't seen as a threat, none of the vehicles were licensed, Takara made whatever they wanted and Hasbro imported them, but they both knew as they'd change lettering and stuff.


Chux, I guarantee you VW could easily sue over use of the visual rights of the Type-1 (the Beetle), and from what I've read there were only a few small companies who made knockoff Beetles, most of the Beetles from around the world were just VW factories in other countries (the last VW Beetle factory was in Mexico, they stopped producing in 2003). The only people exempt from VW's visual copyright wrath would be Mercedes Benz, whose 170-H came first and is visually very similar because Ferdinand Porsche designed both cars.

Tycho
07-05-2006, 02:08 AM
These pictures of Alternator MEGATRON surfaced in my MySpace Transformers group!

Check this out!

http://forum.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=messageboard.viewThread&EntryID=19361844&categoryID=0&groupID=101114536

Scroll down my "favorite Alternator thread" and you'll find them. I couldn't directly link to the guy's photobucket pictures for whatever reason.

Meg's a Hummer as many of us predicted he would be.

It's hard to say whether this toy will near the correct size to challenge my "Alternator Prime" - which is namely the MP version. What do you guys think?

I really like this toy and would cringe if I have to pass on him because there can only be ONE Megatron in my collection!

I'd assume the movie one is still on schedule to be an Abrahms tank.

However the movie toys may be cheap mass-market crap, and I may instead be left waiting for some kind of MP Megatron, which would still be an Abrahms tank, one would hope.

But you have to like the Hummer!

So how big do you think this will be? Standard Alternator's price point or a deluxe Alternator going for $30 or $40 or so?

Tycho
07-05-2006, 02:10 AM
Sorry to doublt post, but looking at him, he looks a lot like he has Wheeljack's forearms and his lower body transforms suspiciously like Wheeljack does too.

Adam
07-05-2006, 02:43 AM
That is a kitbash, I've seen it before.

Tycho
07-05-2006, 03:21 AM
That is a kitbash, I've seen it before.

They did a great job, don't you think?

In any case, as I posted in the other thread, I buy Alternators because I'm sure I'm going to want to "recreate the movie" in my own way - and I want to get Megatron right (Tank vs. Hummer).

But I'm using the MP Prime, MP Starscream (most likely), so Megs must fit into that group and quality level. I guess I made a good call on seeing Wheeljack's forarms on that Megatron in the pictures. They probably were from Wheeljack, LOL.

Right now, MP Prime is the best TF ever done in my opinion.

I still think Hasbro will release mass-market crap for the movie. They'll play the movie line just like every other toy company looks at fad-movie product. But I'm arguing this in my tirade about Zizzle's POTC Black Pearl ship: Star Wars has staying power, and Transformers very much obviously does as well. The movie product need not be crap. Heck they should make an Alternator Quality BumbleBee as a yellow Camaro if they must. But you know they must run a cheap line (mini-bots, whatever) for the average kid when the movie comes out. I don't see why they have to stick it to us that way though.

The characters I'm most concerned about are Megatron, Soundwave, and repaints for Skywarp and Thundercracker of MP Starscream. Rumor has it they got an Alternator license for Jaguar and they are re-doing Ravage (one can only hope). But the Decepticons are very weak for the "high end line" - which is what I'd call the MPs and the Alternators.

JediTricks
07-05-2006, 04:35 PM
That's a fun fake, I bet they had a good time putting that together. The alt mode doesn't look at all like Hasbro's style of design though, that's what told me it wasn't real.

I think the movie TFs won't look much like real Transformers and will be treated as fad crap product, they'll probably end up burying all the other lines (including Alts) and then they'll fizzle out leaving us with another TF void.

Tycho
07-05-2006, 05:11 PM
Define "Hasbro's style" anyway. I couldn't describe it - but I've never thought about it. Takara designs these things anyway, and Hasbro just buys them, and puts American names and packaging around them, right?




I think the movie TFs won't look much like real Transformers and will be treated as fad crap product, they'll probably end up burying all the other lines (including Alts) and then they'll fizzle out leaving us with another TF void.

I thought most "real Transformers" look like crap anyway. It would be a shame if a glut of cheap-end movie product ruined the fun the rest of you guys are having with your Cyberton, Key-Master, Unicron Wars, stuff, etc. (no - I did mean that sincerely because it would affect my Alternators, too)

How long was there a Transformers void anyway?

The G1 line started a while ago in 1984?

It lasted through the neon-colored plastic junk until.......?

Then they brought it back when?

Alternators started showing up in 2004 or ???

JediTricks
07-05-2006, 06:03 PM
Define "Hasbro's style" anyway. I couldn't describe it - but I've never thought about it. Takara designs these things anyway, and Hasbro just buys them, and puts American names and packaging around them, right?Hasbro and Takara work on the designs together, Takara makes the tooling from those designs, they co-own the line this way, Hasbro no longer strictly imports the figures like the earliest G1s.

The Hasbro Alternator style uses cripser lines, narrower vehicles, more clear plastic light elements, better-defined details, thinner windows, cleaner hinges, dyed plastics rather than cheaply-painted metal like this is, lots more obvious seams, thicker posts on side-mirrors, molded and painted brand logos, more accurate wheels and tires, an opening hood, and if they were going to do the military version (which the TOW missile launcher in that photo is from) then they wouldn't have put it on a civilian Hummer and instead have done the military hardtop version with the top hatch and properly-in-scale TOW launcher.



I thought most "real Transformers" look like crap anyway. It would be a shame if a glut of cheap-end movie product ruined the fun the rest of you guys are having with your Cyberton, Key-Master, Unicron Wars, stuff, etc. (no - I did mean that sincerely because it would affect my Alternators, too)Cybertron is essentially over, now we're getting a year of Classics, which you seemed fairly interested in.



How long was there a Transformers void anyway?I consider G2 to be a void. :p I'm no expert, but I believe '91-'93 (break between G1 and G2) to be a void in the US, a void after G2 between the end of '95 and middle of '96 (G2 to Beast Wars), 2000 had another one until Hasbro got Robots in Disguise over to US shores.

Alternators started at the end of '04

Tycho
07-05-2006, 06:19 PM
Thanks JT: that was pretty interesting.



Cybertron is essentially over, now we're getting a year of Classics, which you seemed fairly interested in.

You're correct. Hot Rod (Rodimus), BumbleBee, Optimus, Astrotrain, and Starscream are all pretty tempting. Megatron's appeal is in that I never owned a Nerf gun - but I'm not kidding about why he has some appeal to me either.



Alternators started at the end of '04

Yeah. I didn't pay attention to when I started buying them. In fact, that's because I avoided buying them for a while - then SideSwipe just got too tempting. Of course if I had SideSwipe - I had to buy his friend. Hound was my next one, but I think I got Prime MP01 either just before or right after I got Hound (I skipped Silverstreak becaue he wasn't a very important character and he was just a repaint of Smokescreen).

By the way: if Prime was MP01, and Starscream is MP03 - what or who was MP02???

JediTricks
07-05-2006, 06:45 PM
Megatron's appeal is in that I never owned a Nerf gun - but I'm not kidding about why he has some appeal to me either.What kills me is that a year and a half ago, Hasbro made this: http://www.toysrus.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2298569&cp
I bought it, it's pretty cool, the cylinder really rotates and pops halfway out for reloading, the first time I saw Classics Megatron I thought of this.


Yeah. I didn't pay attention to when I started buying them. In fact, that's because I avoided buying them for a whileHoliday season '04, I remember Alternators Smokescreen was on my wish list and I got Reissue Smokescreen instead, whom I returned for store credit. :p I didn't find Smokey for a few weeks into the new year, and a week after that I found Sideswipe.


By the way: if Prime was MP01, and Starscream is MP03 - what or who was MP02???Prime repainted as Ultra Magnus sans armor suit, not released in the US (for good reason).

El Chuxter
07-05-2006, 06:47 PM
Could you imagine a proper MP Ultra Magnus? (Drooling smiley.)

JediTricks
07-05-2006, 06:48 PM
There's a fan out there who made his own, I hear it's pretty good but lacking detail and finish, it transforms into the car trailer and it's pretty big.

Adam
07-05-2006, 08:06 PM
Here is another one for you JT. Although Titanium Megs is a bit taller than Titanium Prime, he is about the same height as G2 Megs (Small tank) who is big for a deluxe. That makes Prime about the average size of a deluxe figure.

http://tfkenkon.com/g/?mode=view&album=Collection%2Fact414&pic=titan-megatron15.jpg&dispsize=1000&start=0

JediTricks
07-06-2006, 03:49 PM
Yeah, I saw Remy's photos, I was going to make that same comment about it being a deluxe in size. If they're really $15, then it's just dandy.

matthewilw
07-06-2006, 04:24 PM
Got my Nemesis Prime alternator today from Action-HQ. I like him waaaaay more than alternators prime. It's amazing how much difference some darker colors can make. I wish I didn't buy alt. prime now, but on the plus side Nemesis prime can now dual-wield his weapons(stealing his second gun from prime, of course) along with my newly acquired mirage. This month has been a good month for my alternators collection. I'll post some pictures if anyone is interested.

JediTricks
07-06-2006, 05:28 PM
I'm very interested in seeing Nem Prime pics. :cool:

How much did he cost you from A-HQ?

Hasbro says they'll have a limited number of Nem Primes on HasbroToyShop.com the day of ComicCon, I hate how they are doing this.

Tycho
07-06-2006, 06:37 PM
along with my newly acquired mirage. This month has been a good month for my alternators collection. I'll post some pictures if anyone is interested.

Where did you get your Mirage from again? I haven't been able to find him! I hunted again yesterday.

Adam
07-07-2006, 05:04 PM
Cybertron Primus:

Primus's alt mode is Cybertron. Sort of. It's not the traditional Cybertron that has looked practicaly the same in all TF lore. Unlike Unicron, this planetoy features a built in stand, so the toy is completey round and not flat on the bottom. It looks decent in this mode, actually better than Unicron. For minicon fans, there are 4 minicon ports atop towers on the top, with a few more located around southern half. Gimmicks in this mode include two Cyberkey/Force Chip gimmicks that pop up and out cannons that are located on the equator. There's some interesting details here, like the forementioned towers and buildings what are described as "famous cities of Cybertron" on the box. There are some thin tower/spikes on the back, left and right sides that reminded me of the Energon towers from Energon ;P. I wish they could have added an obvious Iacon from MMTTE but oh well. The only huge flaw in planet mode is a hole at the top of the toy that is part of the figures transformation process. This toy features a semi-autotransform feature. (Think Armada Prime, except not electronic and annoying as hell.) Insert the Omege Lock/Chip Square at the top ( causing it to light up) and move it foward. The top will half, popping out two cannons in the process. Next, lift the hinged peice at the back, and unfold the legs from under the just revealed cannons. (There's a battelstation mode you can do at this point, but I never felt it was worth checking out.) Turn the torso 180 degrees, and flip put the "feet" at the bottom. Insert the Lock/Square into the chest and push up, popping out the head, shoulders, and arms a little bit. Pull the hands out and you are done. The robot mode, although short for a supreme figure, looks pretty impressive. The key cannons, which are how his arms, work here again, and the 2nd set of cannons can be either stored behind his back, or at his sholders. Each leg can use the lock/square to rotate the sides, flipping up more cannons on his leg and non-firing missles that can be pushed out. Each leg also has a little grapeling arm as well. The fingers and thumbs are all articulated, but the fingers look a little too long when stretched out.

This figure is pretty cool. He is short though, Metroplex is taller than him and is 10 dollars cheaper. I thought the auto transform would be annoying, but its actually kinda neat and works pretty well. While the pop up cannons are not too great ( they weren't great on Jetfire either..) he does have a generous arsenal of them. Primus is packing. Like a lot of toys from this line, this release features a lot of panel lines and details. It's going to take awhile to paint all these details, but it will be worth it when I get done. The original Tranformer is deffinately worth owning, highly recommended.

El Chuxter
07-07-2006, 05:44 PM
I haven't seen Primus yet. How much is he going for? Even if he's way off-scale, which he'd have to be, it'd be cool to display him with my Unicron.

Dominic Guglieme
07-07-2006, 06:10 PM
Primus is about 50 bucks or so. I have read mixed reviews, ranging from "best toy ever" to "not bad", so read into that what you will. JT is the only person I know of who actively dislikes the toy, but JT is a complaining complainer who complains with this line.

I will likely hold out for a Unicron head variant.

DvD has a comprehensive review of Unicron.
http://www.eyrie.org/~dvandom/BW/Cybertron/index.html


Dom
-posting a bit less these days, but planning a large set of reviews for next week.

JediTricks
07-07-2006, 11:39 PM
He *is* $50. I don't "dislike" the toy, I just don't like the look enough to warrant buying it at full price.

BTW, nice treatment of the guy doing you a favor. :p ;)

figrin bran
07-08-2006, 01:57 AM
i'd say JT is an equal opportunity complainer when it comes to any toy line :p

but at least they are very well thought out complaints

Adam
07-08-2006, 04:10 AM
Some Target's (the ones that had Super Starscream on clearance) will have him for a mere 12 bucks.

Tycho
07-08-2006, 04:35 AM
When will MP03 Starscream be out?

JediTricks
07-08-2006, 04:21 PM
Nobody knows when MP03 Starscream will be out, he's still in the prototype phase, and he might get released in Japan for a while before Hasbro carts him out here.



JT is a complaining complainer who complains with this line.Let's look at my track record on the line:
- LOC - not my thing, didn't love the looks of the ones I saw, so didn't buy.
- Minicon 2packs - already have the originals, so didn't feel compelled to buy.

- Basics:
- - Scattorshot, graded "A".
- - Ransack, not graded, reviewed "fairly disappointing all around", later given slightly more positive final after fix.
- - Overhaul, not graded, reviewed "a bit disappointing at first, but grew on me in a short amount of time, his arm articulation situation is pretty annoying though, and some folks won't like him."
- - Clocker, not graded, reviewed "I dig him but recognize his limits, 4 months later and he still is cool to me."
- - Hardtop, not graded, reviewed "the alt mode sculpt feels like it needed another pass or 2 to get it looking nice and that rear wheel situation is very annoying, the gimmick is nothing special, the transformation is interesting, the bot is a decent grunt but suffers too much kibble, and the whole thing is ruined by a truly terrible colorscheme."
- - Recon Mini-Con Team, not graded, reviewed "I think this is a great little set and you just can't go too wrong here."
- - Undermine, not graded, reviewed "a decent basic, fun and interesting, dangerous in both modes, somewhat strange-looking but worthy welcome to the bad guy ranks. He's a little weird, yet fairly poseable and has lots of sculpted detail, how wrong can you go?"
- - Brakedown, not graded, reviewed "the front-end of vehicle mode is unorthodox but Autolander rules and with his dark colors and no faction symbol is almost more believable as a Decepticon."
- - Armorhide, not graded, reviewed "I really like Armorhide (aside from the name), he's one of my favorite basics in the line so far. His bot mode is good, his gimmick is actually pretty cool, his transformation is nifty, his colors aren't horrendous, and his alt mode looks good."
- - Street Speed Mini-Con Team, passed since I have the Armada originals.
- - Brushguard, can't find my full review, short version says "the lighter colors accent some of this mold's flaws (lack of details, empty shoulders) and the purple translucent parts aren't very exciting. I doubt I'd recommend it if anybody already has Overhaul."
- - Backstop, not graded, reviewed "this is one figure to avoid except as a total goof. He looks completely silly and dopey in bot mode, he has nothing really to offer at all. I bought it so you wouldn't have to, purchase at your own peril."
- - Wreckloose, graded "the gray area between D+ and C-", reviewed "This figure isn't awful, he's more "meh", I wouldn't recommend him but I wouldn't totally condemn him either."
- - Swerve, not graded, reviewed "Ultimately, it's worth getting, I'd say it's a B+ whether or not you have Clocker, but I always did like the mold's overall design so your mileage may vary there."
- - Swindle, not graded, micro-reviewed "el sucko" because of the original mold and the new colors. I suppose in retrospect I'd change that to rate what I gave Hardtop though.
- - Lugnutz, graded "D", and I stand by that.
- - Scrapmetal, graded "B-".
- - Repugnus, didn't like the colors so didn't buy.
- - Shortround, graded "C+", low grade attributed to the aqua color and wonky elbows.

- Deluxes:
- - Hot Shot, not graded, reviewed "he's alright, it's a decent figure if not a standout toy perhaps. Not so much fun as cool to look at."
- - Dirt Boss, not graded, reviewed "fun and interesting, but his colors are heinous. he's a fun toy with some nifty stuff going on, but has problems and some collectors probably won't like him."
- - Thundercracker, not graded, reviewed "has a great alt mode and bolsters the Decepticon forces, on that alone I dig him, but his gimmick is lame and his bot mode is kinda bland." (I seem to be the only person out there who likes this one at all)
- - Landmine, not graded, reviewed "all around nifty, but not outstanding."
- - Red Alert, not graded, reviewed "just a super keen Transformer in my eyes. I think this is a great figure, possibly my favorite in the line so far, both modes are fantastic and fun, he's got decent weaponry, and even has accessories that can be stowed under the hood. Red Alert may not be the biggest or most complex, but he is one satisfying figure and I hope he gets a worthy repaint." (IMO, he never got the worthy repaint)
- - Override, not graded, reviewed "a very ambitious Transformer that is good but has a number of issues. Override is a decent bot and futuristic sportscar but has some frustrations because it's too much of an experiment-in-progress, it probably won't be popular with some collectors. The figure is pretty interesting, but leg situation and misfired transformations keep this one down a tad."
- - Snarl, not graded, reviewed "Snarl is a figure I hope gets a more wolf-like repaint in the future as there's enough here that I do like the figure, but I loathe the coloring enough to push it into underwhelming, less-than-exciting territory. It's a solid figure in both modes, the best beast in the line so far, with lots to appreciate, but it could be better too."
- - Sideways, not graded, reviewed "Sideways is really quite cool, among my top favorites [at the time]. He's a mysterious side-switching character, a sleek space plane, and a sinister-looking robot; he's also a solid toy, not fragile or floppy in either mode."
- - 4 Armada retools, didn't buy since I had the originals.
- - Brimstone, not graded, reviewed "I like Brimstone more than I thought I would. His colors are a crime against the sighted, and there should be more detail in the bot mode's chest and the transformation is simple, but he's pretty cool."
- - Thunderblast,not graded, reviewed "kinda interesting, I sorta like her and she will appeal to some, but many fans will rightfully knock it for its weaknesses. If they had done all this as a Basic, it would have been easier to accept; as-is, I dig the figure but can't recommend it."
- - Crosswise,not graded, reviewed "I really like Crosswise, he's not quite Red Alert but he's definitely up there. If the shield were removable and the door sills could be held as rifles he'd be even more awesome, plus transforming back to car mode could've been better, yet he's still quite the cool customer. He's good enough that I'll buy any reasonably-colored repaint, and I'll definitely recommend him."
- - Cybertron Defense Hot Shot,not graded, reviewed "does for me what this line's original Hot Shot didn't, CDHS is exciting and cool. Yes the range of motion could be better and he could have more weapons, but this is a pretty tough Autobot with a solid vehicle mode, nifty weaponry, and a very cool bot mode. I like him a lot, I'd definitely recommend him."
- - Downshift,not graded, reviewed "an odd homage but a very cool bot in his own rite and has a great alt mode which isn't hurt by the key gimmick or the external accessories. I know some fans won't like him because he has Wheeljack's head, and some won't like him because he's not super-articulated, but I think he's a pretty killer toy, Downshift is awesome."
- - Excellion, graded "B-".
- - Override GTS, did not buy because not different enough from the original.
- - Cannonball, did not buy because colors don't work for me.
- - Skywarp, did not buy because colors don't work for me.

- Mega:
- - Vector Prime,not graded, reviewed "he's ok, but feels $5 overpriced; probably makes a better display figure than a toy."
- - Crumplezone, not graded, reviewed "I don't really like him that much, he grows a little messing around after accepting he isn't that great, but still not that dandy."
- - Mudflap, not graded, reviewed "this one feels like an oversized Minicon - a clever one, but still not not exactly a $20 figure. Mudflap's alright I guess, nothing too exciting and some pretty annoying setbacks for my tastes. The exposed parts of the vehicle mode, the gimmicky but not enticing transformation, the overall feel of the bot mode, and the simplistic weapons situation seem more like a $2 Minicon than a $20 deluxe."
- - Leobreaker, not graded, reviewed "I don't hate Leobreaker, but he's a disappointing figure and a waste of $20. Maybe if they hadn't wasted resources on electronics they could have afforded a better design with a real hand, or how about some real shoulder and leg articulation, but they didn't and the end result is underwhelming."
- - Starscream (Mega), not graded, reviewed "he's pretty cool, hardly perfect, a solid "B" figure but not the end-all be-all." And I stand by that review, although his cool-factor may kick him up to a B+.
- - Evac, not graded, reviewed "another very good addition to this line, outstanding without being needlessly flashy, substance over style. He's a fun toy and a cool figure, another really good Transformer and one of the best TF copters ever."
- - Cybertron Defense Scattorshot, graded "A".
- - Dark Crumplezone, did not buy on weaknesses of original mold, a little tempted though.
- - Soundwave with Laserbeak, graded "B-" for a few too many issues on the Soundwave toy itself.
- - Nemesis Breaker, haven't bought it yet, haven't decided if I will, paint looks good but Megs can't stand up with him in place.

- Ultra:
- - Scourge, did not buy, did not look like he was a $25-value toy, and colors didn't work for me.
- - Jetfire, not graded, reviewed "Alt mode is decent, very very disappointing bot mode makes me dislike him."
- - Dark Scorponok, did not buy since I have Energon original.
- - Cybertron Defense Red Alert, not graded, reviewed "this is an awesome figure he's super-armed and ready to destroy! Uh, in the name of saving people, I mean. He's got good articulation, a tough alt mode, a wild mega-weapon, and even his regular weapon is huge, can't go wrong with Cybertron Defense Red Alert."
- - Wing Saber, graded "B-", the hit came from weaknesses of colors, key gimmick, and tail of alt mode.
- - Sky Shadow, did not buy based on disinterest of colors and mold.
- - Menasor with Heavy-Load, not graded, reviewed "the vehicle mode ain't that bad, the minicon interaction there is alright, the bot looks better than I expected, and I love the minicon-in-the-chest gimmick. Even if I overlook that he doesn't exactly have hands and the electronic key gimmick is awful and the vehicle mode rear end doesn't lock down, he still has a very serious flaw in how his waist falls apart constantly and this kills the figure." (this is a positive review of a problematic figure)

- Super:
- - Optimus Prime, not graded, reviewed "this is my favorite Optimus Prime in a long time, since before RiD definitely, and he looks super badass and very heavily armed."
- - Megatron, not graded, reviewed "He's no longer a living weapon which is kinda a downer and his only gun isn't that great. His car mode is too big to be fun and I hate how the bot mode's shin guards don't have anywhere to go in alt mode and just hang off the back, that and the awful color clashing somewhat ruin this figure for me even though they're not THAT big of a deal in the scheme of the fig. Neither alt mode really says "Megatron" to me, this should have been a new character or something that takes that Megatron part out of the equation somewhat. Who the hell thought black, dark gray, orange, teal, and ultra-light translucent blue was an acceptable colorscheme?!? I don't like this one very much, he's big but seems lost and certainly not a living weapon. If nothing else, the Galvatron repaint looks to greatly improve on this mess's colorscheme so I'd suggest waiting for that."
- - Galvatron, don't have, sorta want to buy but already having Megatron and no money kills that.
- - Metroplex with Drill Bit, did not buy, don't like the looks of anything in this set.

- Supreme:
- - big Starscream, did not buy, size too big for my collection and I already have the Mega version.
- - Primus, have not bought yet, have not decided, waiting for price drop or maybe clearance due to both modes being somewhat small for a $50 figure.

(thanks to DvD for making up a great list on his website)

So let's review my takes on the Cybertron molds:
- 16 Basics: 8 positives, 3 neutrals/mixed, 6 negatives, 1 no-buy.
- 16 Deluxes: 10 positives, 3 neutrals/mixed, 3 no-buys.
- 10 Megas: 3 positives, 3 neutrals/mixed, 2 negatives, 2 no-buys.
- 6 Ultras: 2 positives, 1 neutrals/mixed, 1 negative, 2 no-buys.
- 4 Supers: 1 positive, 1 negative, 2 no-buys.
- 2 Supremes: 2 no-buys.

Out of 54 Cybertron figures, 24 were positives, 10 were neutral or mixed, 10 were negative, and 12 were no-buys. I'd say that's a good track record, not everything in the line is perfect.

Adam
07-08-2006, 09:32 PM
Cannonball rules and you know it.:whip:

Adam
07-09-2006, 03:08 AM
BTW JT, you can get Megatron/Galvatron to stand up when combined with Ligerjack, or whatever. On mine, if the legs are spread out so that the leg on the combined side rests against the combiner arm, its able to support the weight so Megs stays standing up.

TRU Exclusive Primal vs Megatron set is confirmed to be the BW Reborn set from Takara. Not sure if I want this or not.

matthewilw
07-09-2006, 10:13 AM
Where did you get your Mirage from again? I haven't been able to find him! I hunted again yesterday.

I found him at a wal-mart here in south Texas. And JT, Nemesis Prime cost me about $46 including shipping from AHQ. Here are some pictures of Nem. Prime and Mirage. The prime pictures turned out horrible, he reflects too much light.

http://pic9.picturetrail.com/VOL294/1895397/6733880/165061717.jpg

http://pic9.picturetrail.com/VOL294/1895397/6733880/165061655.jpg

http://pic9.picturetrail.com/VOL294/1895397/6733880/165061709.jpg

http://pic9.picturetrail.com/VOL294/1895397/6733880/165061694.jpg

http://pic9.picturetrail.com/VOL294/1895397/3659758/165060876.jpg

And I still think that Nemesis Prime should be from Texas.
http://pic9.picturetrail.com/VOL294/1895397/3659758/165061000.jpg


I'll try to take some better pictures when I get some free time later this week.

JediTricks
07-09-2006, 04:01 PM
Cannonball rules and you know it.:whip:If by "rules" you mean "pegwarms", then yes I do. :p I guess a crazy robot pirate ambulance is just too much for the mainstream audience to swallow. ;)


BTW JT, you can get Megatron/Galvatron to stand up when combined with Ligerjack, or whatever. On mine, if the legs are spread out so that the leg on the combined side rests against the combiner arm, its able to support the weight so Megs stays standing up.Tried that I think, you mean essentially shifting Megs' weight onto 1 leg that's immobilized by the arm, but his other leg still kips out and takes him down. But even if I could balance him like a house of cards, it's still no fun because I can't move him or raise the arm or anything.


TRU Exclusive Primal vs Megatron set is confirmed to be the BW Reborn set from Takara. Not sure if I want this or not.Yup, it's them, I saw the pics, Remy has front and back boxed pics: http://www.tformers.com/article.php?sid=6197&mode=flat
Very cool, unless the pricepoint is extremely unfortunate (which is possible, these were $20 figures when they first came out IIRC), I will get this set. What's funny to me is the character art drawings on the box are of BWX Megs and Primal which are of course significantly different from these BWR figures.



Cool pics Matthew, thanks for the links! $46 is too rich for my blood though. I think Nem's plate is California with July 2006 tags because he's exclusive to this month's Comic Con which is of course in San Diego, CA.

Tycho
07-09-2006, 04:20 PM
I think Nem's plate is California with July 2006 tags because he's exclusive to this month's Comic Con which is of course in San Diego, CA.

No. It's because California is way cooler than Texas! :cool:

Bossk77
07-09-2006, 10:20 PM
Item one: Anyone heard anything more about who will be playing the TF voices in the new movie?

Item Two: If anyone ever comes across any 14k Gold TF jewelry let me know. My wife wants a neclace....

Item Three.. If anyone is looking for any Gen 1 parts to repair their old bots let me know. I have crates of spare parts and weapons.

Item Four.. The new Primus rocks! Too bad they didnt make Unicron more like him... Keep your eyes open i have heard that he is showing up mis-priced on the east coast. $20 big ones cheaper for that matter.

Tycho
07-09-2006, 11:42 PM
I transformed all of my Alternators. They were robots - but now they look like cars!

Turbowars
07-10-2006, 12:52 AM
Is that Black Prime the SDCC exclusive?

edit... nevermind I found out that it is. I might just get him at the con. He was always my favorite when I was a kid. Now if I could just get back all my Generation 1 Trans. The 2 I miss the most are JetFire and Good old Prime.

Adam
07-10-2006, 04:40 AM
Turbowars, could you pick me up one while you are there. :D

JediTricks
07-10-2006, 03:16 PM
They haven't announced any voice casting for the movie yet, I fear it'll be lame stuff like Bernie Mac though.


Don't leave 'em in car mode too long, Tycho, you'll forget which ones are robots. ;)


Nemesis Prime is indeed an SDCC exclusive, but they'll also have some on HasbroToyShop.com the same day.

Tycho
07-10-2006, 03:18 PM
Don't leave 'em in car mode too long, Tycho, you'll forget which ones are robots. ;)



Somebody stole my Transformers!

I had at least 8 robots on my desk last week. Now they're gone. Where they were there's a ton of plastic model cars.

Dominic Guglieme
07-10-2006, 03:24 PM
JT and I actually agree on a bit more than I expected, Scattorshot, Overhaul, recon Mincon Team, and Thundercracker to name a few.

And, I might have to get that TrU baxed set. Dang. What they should have used were the Robot Master molds, but without the wrong faction sigils.

plasticfetish
07-10-2006, 06:06 PM
They haven't announced any voice casting for the movie yet, I fear it'll be lame stuff like Bernie Mac though.There's a list up at IMDB (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0418279/)... you did see that Bernie Mac is on it didn't you? lol No voices for the bots on there yet though.

Dominic Guglieme
07-10-2006, 06:15 PM
Comics:

Hearts of Steel #1:
This is the first Transformers comic in over 2 years
(since Armada) that I can honestly say is *good*, and
worth reading wholly on objective merit. This is the
first in IDW's series of "Elseworlds" style comics.
Normally, I despise the whole "lets apply this gimmick
or genre convention to the franchise because....."
idea. But, the Elseworlds concept, when done
correctly, can yield some great stories. When
exploited to its full potential, it can bring in new
readers. IDW making a solid attempt at this, using
Chuck Dixon as a writer. The Industrial Revolution is
a good setting to apply Transformers to, and Dixon is
exploiting the progress angle well. Grade: A Full
steam (pun intended) ahead!

Official Transformers Fan Club Magazine
April/May '06 Issue:
The fan-wank, erm fan-club comic consists of several
"in-house" advertorial style articles, some toy
previews, and a comic. The advertorials are about par
for course. If you can stomach White Dwarf articles,
you can handle this. The preview pics, while dated,
are clear, and well handled. And, the Alvarez
written article about the old BW2 Niagra Base is well
written. (As a point of information, the toy was
originally produced for a non-TF line, which explains
the off-scale detailing Alvarez notes in the article.)

The real meat of the issue is the comic, and the
accompanying time-line, written by Allspark's MSipher.
Now, as I am about to give a very harsh review to
content written by a fan (who is affiliated with a
very large board no less), let me say that I am
reviewing the work, not the man. I have never met
Sipher (unless I unwittingly blundered into him at a
convention), and have nothing to say about him besides
painfully obvious ovbservations like, "he is a
transfan". Put simply, the comic is terrible. It
makes the worst hackfest I pick up and the local shops
look good. And, the timeline is neither comprensive,
not comprehensible. Rather than resolving points of
confusion about the comic and franchise in general, it
only adds to the confusion. For example, does the
comic take place on cartoon, or comic Cybertron. And,
if one or the other, does not the timeline's linking
of the two violate its stated rule of not following
characters, but events. And, if the timeline follows
events, why does Omega Point not connect to Wreckers,
and Universe? Why does Universe not clearly route to
the current comic? Why does Sipher feel compelled to
note that Axer (a very obscure character) dimension
hops (despite never being shown to), by not Vector
Prime (clearly shown to)?
Overall, this type of effort is best undertaken after
a decisive reboot. Sipher is trying to make sense fo
the non-sensical. The main problem is that
Transformers as a franchise does not have the
intellectual capital, and institutional know-how to
manage this kind of thing without it turning into a
regretable session of "applying genre elements to a
franchise because it seems kewl". I am assuming that
Transformers is going to get a cold reboot by the end
of this year. Perhaps a revised, and more disciplined
timeline would be appropriate then. Grade: D

Toys-

Longrack:
This is one of the 4 infamous retools from the
Cybertron line. Like the other 3, Longrack is a vague
reference to an older character. Unlike the other 3,
Longrack is the only one to note refer to a US
character, and instead refers to a character from the
Japanese BWNeo series. The steam-shovel vehicle mode
is a bit too pedastrian to be consistent with the
Cybertron key, but it does do a good job of evoking
the giraffe beast mode the original Longrack had.
Additionally, the coloring around the cockpit does a
good job of evoking an animal's face. The key works
from both an engineering and aesthetic perspective.
The key unlocks, but does not deploy (a rarity for
this line) the shovel gimmick, and looks good as an
ornament. Grade: B partyboss@fastmail.fm (http://us.f529.mail.yahoo.com/ym/Compose?To=partyboss@fastmail.fm&YY=39248&order=down&sort=date&pos=0&view=a&head=b)

Universe Downshift:
This is a KB exclusive recolor of the Energon mold.
Aside from a gaudier paint scheme, nothing much has
changed for this toy. The combination tabs are still
present, thought the instructions do not mention them
(as there is no combination partner offered in the
Universe line). There are some nice touches to the
engineering, such as the legs, feet and shoulders.
And, there are some blah touches. Interestingly, the
tech specs seem to contradict the theory that this is
the same character as Cybertron Downshift. The two
coulc be reconciled, but it would likely be a hasty
"fix", rather than any useful story addition. This
mold is worth owning one of. Grade: B/C

LoC RedAlert:
This might be the only LoC toy that I actively
dislike. The 'bot form is okay, but the vehicle form
is something to write home and complain about. The
vehicle form is lacking in basic elements (such as at
least trying to hide the robot bits) to the point that
one has to wonder why the designers ever bothered with
this toy. The paint work is pretty good though,
especially on the sigil. Still, this was 4 bucks I
couls have spent on something else. Grade: D

JediTricks
07-10-2006, 07:21 PM
There's a list up at IMDB (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0418279/)... you did see that Bernie Mac is on it didn't you? lol No voices for the bots on there yet though.I have seen, but part of the list is based on rumors and such, a lot of the bigger name actors haven't actually had their parts publically revealed.


Dom, I'm surprised to hear Hearts of Steel works, I wasn't expecting it to simply because it IS so much of a gimmick. I may just track this one down.

Dominic Guglieme
07-11-2006, 05:44 PM
Hearts of Steel is fantastic. Why would you expect it to be bad? The "Elseworlds" gimmick has a pretty good track record.

If you cannot find a copy, let me know.

Adam
07-11-2006, 11:55 PM
And, I might have to get that TrU baxed set. Dang. What they should have used were the Robot Master molds, but without the wrong faction sigils.

No.. the RM Beast Megatron sucked.

Dominic Guglieme
07-12-2006, 04:46 PM
How so? I never saw one.

Adam
07-12-2006, 08:58 PM
How so? I never saw one.

http://tfkenkon.com/g/?mode=view&album=Collection/act412&pic=megatron10th-27.jpg&dispsize=1000&start=0

I think he just REEKS of suck.


Hey JT. Can you link the fix for Ransack you did awhile back? I bought the repaint today (along with some other stuff that I'll get into after I go see Pirates) and I thought I would do them both at the same time.

JediTricks
07-12-2006, 09:52 PM
www.geocities.com/jeditricks/ransack/


I gotta admit, RM Megs looks kinda "meh" in that photo.

JediTricks
07-14-2006, 10:50 PM
Wave 8 Basics:

TF:CY Ransack GTS - I am not going to base this review on my Ransack review because that was before I discovered how to fix the rear wheel strut issue (http://www.geocities.com/jeditricks/ransack/) which make it a better toy.

Paint-Deco: 3/5
Black with a yellowy-gold, white, and translucent green, plus light metallic blue accents in key locations to bring out a few sculpted details. Overall, this is a better look than Ransack which was too simplistic, but GTS' colorscheme is a bit odd in its own rite. The rest works together even though it's strange, but the white is offputting in vehicle mode, gray or light gray-blue would have been a better choice. The trans green looks very good though, strangely the trans plastic of the weapon has been painted opaque rough black and gold; there's also black paint on the white waist. Bot mode's got more white which balances better, such as white paint on the face - the gold-painted eyes stand out well, why they painted over light-piping again though, I dunno, but if you shine enough light through the back of the head the green light shines through the eyes a tiny bit. The head is now black with green ears, but it doesn't show that much detail. The trans green chest isn't painted over like Ransack v1, instead it's clear with light blue vents and a small Decepticon logo in the middle. Overall, more details get paint, the colors are odd choice yet kinda work, but the white hurts.

Vehicle Mode: 3/5
Still a long, futuristic motorcycle, sleek and fast-looking. The clear green wheels are flat and wide, so the bike stands by itself perfectly, and my favorite feature of the figure is the empty middle of the wheels. The bike is still gappy in places it shouldn't be, and while solidly together, some parts move around too much and it still needs parts to be massaged into correct alignment. If it weren't so long, I'd like it a lot. The faux-windshield still doesn't align perfectly with the faring, sitting just a tiny bit up and forward, just like the original Ransack. The only kibble is the tops of the bot fists in the seat.

Hasbro assembles the rear wheel struts on backwards so the wheel sits up way above the rear fender, this doesn't look good and pushes some parts out of the way, so I fixed it, it looks a lot better with the wheel closely following the contour of the rear fender and the key gimmick gun shooting horizontally rather than up in the air.

Key Gimmick: 1.5/5
Insert key into the weapon and the top flips over to become twin barrels minus the actual gun details, uninteresting in both modes. The weapon is too wide and has pieces that get in the way of poses, because of how it's integral to the vehiclet mode. There's one likely unintentional feature of GTS' translucent barrels being painted black and gold though, when you hold it up to the light, the light shines through the black a little.

Transformation: 2/5
I like how the head is revealed and the arms are revealed, but it's not an especially exciting one and not totally satisfying since some of the alignment seems questionable and the chest really needs to be better.

The wheel strut fix changes the transformation slightly, the robot heels fold all the way into their voids in the feet in vehicle mode.

Bot Mode: 2.5/5
Ransack GTS is an awkward robot, he's got low shoulders with wide shoulderpads, long arms that go down to his knees, legs that make him sit way back to balance, really big narrow boots with long toes and heels, and a lot of kibble. His details get sorta lost in robot mode, the worst being the blankness of the torso elements. I don't like how the head sits on a neck plate now, the white plate sitting over black everything else makes it look very separate and not part of the bot which sucks since the head is already too small for the body. Overall, it's an unusual look for any robot and seems not quite finished, but it does have some odd charm to it too.

Articulation: 4/5
Ransack GTS has standard neck, shoulders, and waist, ball-jointed elbows, hips, and knees, a hinged lower torso so he can bow, and side-hinged upper biceps (the "flapping" joint). That's a lot of articulation for a Basic figure, but much of it doesn't like to work with other points in concert, the legs being the biggest problem there. Still, there's a lot of range of motion and pose potential if you can figure out how to keep him upright. At times the figure can look pretty stupid holding his large weapon, but there are some 2-handed poses where it really looks cool.

Overall: C
This is a mold I never loved, I liked some aspects of it but the overall falls flat in my book, yet this Ransack GTS recolor is less of an eyesore than the original, so that does give him a leg up. There's also an ineffable quality charm to this mold, he can win you over almost as if through sheer willpower so I do have to give this one props for that.

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TF:CY Giant Planet Minicon Team - Cool new Minicons, and they're eeeeevil Decepticon Minicons, if you believe their packaging (none sport Decepticon logos, just sculpted Minicon faction logos). I'm a pretty big fan of the Minicons in general, they pack a lot of cool stuff into a tiny little robot, and they're generally cheap. This is only the second set of new-mold Minicons sold alone since the Armada line, though this Cybertron line's other Giant planet Transformers all have new-mold Minicon pals as well.

Paint-Deco: 4.5/5 (Deepdive); 3.5/5 (Longarm); 4/5 (Overcast)
The colors all 3 figures have in common is the purple plastic used for hips and shoulders, it's neither a deep dark purple nor a red burgandy - intead right in the middle, and good for Decepticon use. All 3 also share a little bit of dark gray plastic, red detail paint; and Longarm and Overcast also share some dark blue plastic and silver paint. Deepdive and Overcast balance out very well in bot mode, and their dark colored plastic doesn't hide their sculpted details.

Deepdive's alt mode is mostly that gray plastic with red paint details and light metallic blue oceanic camo - the overall look is perfect for the submarine alt mode, especially the neutral darker gray plastic. The robot mode uses the same colors plus the purple mentioned before, his face is a red visor, it all works together and looks good, if perhaps a bit simple.

Longarm's alt mode is light green with purple grasper arms, some silver details, and a little red and dark gray paint - standard Constructicon colors, which is fine but I wish they were a little more subdued. I also wish the side windows were painted silver like the windshield. Bot mode adds dark blue thighs and a completely red face in its green head; the redistribution of darker colors helps balance out the overwhelming green. And they painted his feet, good choice.

Overcast's alt mode is dark blue with some purple plastic, silver painted details, and a little gray; the amount of purple plastic depends on if you leave the missiles loaded, with them in it's almost half purple, with them set aside it's a lot less and more in check by the overall dark blue, which is how I prefer it. The alt mode underside is more of a hodgepodge of dark blue, silver and purple. In bot mode, there's a little more purple and silver in action, yet it all balances out smartly. The only new color is the red of the eye visor.

Alternate Mode: 4.5/5 (Deepdive); 3/5 (Longarm); 4/5 (Overcast)
Deepdive is an attack submarine, the conn tower is 2/3rds of the way back and has a powerlink hardpoint on top, the large, angled bow of the boat has 3 torpedo tubes on either side, and everywhere you look there are little rectangular cuts around the shapes like rivets, as well as other small details which gives this a fantastic look. One thing I find odd is that the boat tapers up from the stern to the back almost like forced-perspective, maybe this is accurate but it seems a trifle unusual. The only kibble is the bot head, which faces into the back of the conn tower so it's barely noticable, and the front of the fists in the back of the engines. I like how sealed up and solid this is, even the underside is closed as much as possible, except for the powerlink port.

Longarm is a crane truck I guess, it has a large forward section followed by a long, narrower utility section, the shape reminds me slightly of RID Optimus. If it weren't for the lack of wheels in the middle area, it might look like a truck hauling a separate piece, but alas no. There's a fixed digger/grasper claw which sits over the cab, and a narrower fixed crane arm - that looks mostly retracted - with closed hook which hangs way off the back; both can rotate and are hinged at the "shoulder", but can't lean down past horizontal. There's plenty of sculpted details, but the utility area's details are a bit generic; the 6 rolling wheels are also ridiculously small. There's no bot kibble though, and the powerlink port is at the middle underside. It's mostly solid, but the back half of the utility part isn't locked in so it can be easily pushed down out of position.

Overcast is a large cargo jet with high, wide wings, a tall tail, a large fuselage... and gigantic missile launchers under each wing. The missiles are a tiny bit longer than the plane itself, they're marble-shooter style - which is the worst of the worst in my book (they look like crap AND they don't fire worth a damn) - with big, rounded, tech-detailed warheads at the front that don't really look like anything here, just an ugly, oversized distraction; with missiles removed, the launchers - which tab into the underside of the wings - aren't very distinct but are more passable as weapons pods or engines... with pinchers in front. The plane has some good detailing with little windows and jet engines, but nowhere as good as Deepdive's sculpt. The powerlink port is on the underside just behind the nose; bot kibble includes the missile-launcher arms under the wings, and the waist and thighs at the midsection. The front half of the plane just ahead of the wings is easy to knock askew down at the transformation hinge, but is otherwise solid. I like this vehicle, but the missiles have to go.

Transformation: 2.5/5 (Deepdive); 4/5 (Longarm); 3.5/5 (Overcast)
Deepdive's transformation has the bow split and rotate into boots while the rest of the hull splits in half to become arms and big shoulders, then the head folds back and locks the shoulders into place. It's a bit cheap, and the card art - both drawing and photo - show the shoulders as long arms which works better, but the hands and instructions suggest that is wrong.

Longarm's transformation isn't complex, the legs are in fact quite ordinary, but the torso - while simple - is fun and creative, with half the body folding in half to meet itself and reveal the head, the waist then rotates into place; the waist has just 1 stop-point, at the vehicle mode location which is just right. Any transformation where I want to see it as a deluxe or larger is a dandy one.

Overcast's transformation in the instructions is just wrong, there's no way around it, there's a second joint in the fuselage that has no use in the instructions and could only be there to raise the large front fuselage up to neck height, then let that front fuselage fold down to become the chest - there's even sculpted lines inside that double-hinge which could only be seen by doing this. The corrected transformation is a bit tough to hinge over, but holds well and is visually superior. The head flips up, the waist and legs swing down, and the arms just lower to position, the part Hasbro doesn't mention is the only really nifty part, the rest is good but standard.

Bot Mode: 3/5 (Deepdive); 3.5/5 (Longarm); 4/5 (Overcast)
Deepdive is unusual, he's got these thin but very wide boots with long feet, a narrow body, a simple round head with a full-face visor, short forearms, and then VERY TALL SHOULDERS - the figure is 6cm to the head, and the shoulders from joint to top are 3.5cm more! The shoulders are too much kibble, they actually offset the humungo-boots but this is a ridiculous amount and use of kibble. As mentiond prior, the card shows them shoulders as his arms, which - while long - is vastly superior to the skyscrapers trying to pass as shoulders because the actual forearms are so very short that they make unnoticable shoulders. The actual forearms end in little fists sculpted into the inner half of the alt mode engines. I like the new distribution of detail, but the back of the bot gets almost none. I can accept his oddities, but I dunno if everybody can. And he's solid, nothing comes off or flops about.

Longarm reminds me a lot of another Minicon, Bonecrusher in the Armada line, they both have a stocky build, 1 longer arm, and wheels in the middle of the chest. Longarm's shoulders look good until you use them and realize they're a bit too low, his shovel arm and crane arm both end with claw-like hands, and while neither match they're not too vastly different (not too much wider or longer than each other). His legs are big boots with even larger kibble panels up above his knees. Although like most Minicons, Longarm has a tiny head, if you look close he actually has a good head details and even well-sculpted eyes, a nose, and a mouth that suggest he's about business - luckily the paint lets this show rather than covering it up. He's got some detail all around, but the light color covers it up. I like his bulky robot look more than I expected, he almost got a "4" here. He's also solid, his torso locks into place so no flopping like in alt mode.

Properly transformed, Overcast reminds one a lot of Cybertron's Jetfire, both are cargo jets that have the heads flip up from the top, and use the front fuselage as a chest and the wings as shoulders, only Overcast has a solid middle. His head is a simple affair, square, notched, with a wrap-around visor at the eyes and little else. Overcast's tail turns into his legs, they make good boots with long heels from the jet tail, so the tail is oversized for no reason at all really. The missiles don't overwhelm bot mode as much as alt mode, they kinda seem like melee weapons this way, but he's far better without 'em; the elbows are fixed at 90-degrees, without the missiles his hands are large immobile claws. I really like this guy, maybe more than he deserves. Again, another solid bot mode.

Articulation: 2.5/5 (Deepdive); 3.5/5 (Longarm); 3.5/5 (Overcast)
Deepdive has hinged elbows and hips, ball-jointed knees and limited ball-jointed shoulders, plus a little side-hinge action for the shoulders in the chest, and you can point the feet down from transformation. There's really not all that much he can do with his articulation though, the kibble gets in the way a lot, the elbows are worthless thanks to the stubby forearms, and the legs are limited by the boot size. At least he can stand like a champ.

Longarm has rotating and hinged shoulders, rotating waist, and hinged knees. As I mentioned before, the shoulders look a little odd in action but they get the job done. The waist articulation adds a lot of pose potential as usual. The knee articulation would look better if not for the kibble in front. Even with hollow-back feet, he stands fine too.

Overcast has ball-jointed shoulders and hips, and hinged knees, plus you can point his toes from transformation. Although not that much articulation, he has the most range of motion and is the only one I can leave in a dynamic pose without him falling over. There are limitations, but he does more with less which impresses me. Despite the small feet and distant heels, he stands well even with his missiles.

Overall: A-
This is another good new Minicon set, all 3 molds are satisfying and none have awful colors or anything I'd call a deal-breaker. Deepdive's shoulders are weird, but he has charm to make up for it. At the Basic pricepoint, this set is pretty nifty and I think worth picking up if you like Minicons at all.

Bossk77
07-17-2006, 11:47 PM
Somebody explain to me why Hasbro hasnt come out with a Transformers Unleashed series. Think of the posibilities... Grimlock unleashed... Devastator unleashed... Wreck-Gar unleahsed.... I think it would be a great idea.

Tycho
07-17-2006, 11:49 PM
How about Roller Unleashed :D

J/K - it is a cool idea. But I thought the Titanium Transformers were supposed to sort of cover that?

Turbowars
07-17-2006, 11:54 PM
Somebody explain to me why Hasbro hasnt come out with a Transformers Unleashed series. Think of the posibilities... Grimlock unleashed... Devastator unleashed... Wreck-Gar unleahsed.... I think it would be a great idea.I'll explain it to you. Hasbro would only run it straight into the ground like they have with the SW 7" Unleashed.

Bossk77
07-17-2006, 11:55 PM
The titanium line is ok but i want something bigger with the same kind of figure to base interaction that you see with the Star Wars line. The Titanium line just seems so lacking to me.

figrin bran
07-18-2006, 12:22 AM
Somebody explain to me why Hasbro hasnt come out with a Transformers Unleashed series. Think of the posibilities... Grimlock unleashed... Devastator unleashed... Wreck-Gar unleahsed.... I think it would be a great idea.

you're asking us to explain the mysterious ways of hasbro??? :p

JediTricks
07-18-2006, 04:24 AM
My guess is that they don't *have* to, Unleashed 7" was created to capture the teenagers who had lost interest in Star Wars, to get them back into the brand. Transformers isn't really lacking in any markets right now, and they even have sub-licensed the brand for statues and busts. Plus, what could a static line emulate? The toys alone? That's of course not necessary. The original TV show? As much as there is fanboy interest in it, I don't think the DVDs are selling so hot at this point that it would warrant an expensive line like that? The original movie? While we are upon the 20th anniversary of it, I don't think the buildup has been enough to garner mass-release interest in a TF:Unleashed line. The new movie? Maybe, but that's a year away. The new shows? Hardly! RiD, Armada, Energon, Cybertron, they're not inspiring.

CooLJoE
07-18-2006, 08:39 AM
There's a list up at IMDB (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0418279/)... you did see that Bernie Mac is on it didn't you? lol No voices for the bots on there yet though.

There are some names listed without a character name...

Could be bots that won't be named until right before/after the movie is released, or could be unknown regular characters. Time will tell.


BTW, did anyone else notice that Shia Labouf is playing Spike? I kind of like that choice.

Tycho
07-18-2006, 03:59 PM
Who is Shia Labouf?

I guess I'll google that.

EDIT: ok, I could see him playing Spike. He seems appropriate.

Dominic Guglieme
07-18-2006, 07:54 PM
Optimus Primal
Megatron
Demolishor
Optimus Prime

One of the things that struck me about the toys being reviewed is the difference time can make. Modern toy collectors have a wealth of information available to them. Prototype and product pictures usually surface online months before toys hit the shelves, and often, case assortments are posted, allowing collectors to know not only what toys are shipping, but how they are shipping.
As such, a collector is unlikely to be suprised at all by what they find. In some cases, buying the toy can often seem redundant.
In contrast, 10 years ago, toy collecting was haphazard, and finding or missing waves of toys hinged on when one went to the store. The advantage was that one might just find a new and interesting toy. The downside was that one was more likely to miss interesting toys. While modern collectors are unlikely to be be suprised, they are unlikely to miss anything.
Like most collectors, I generally appreciate the advanced information available. And, on some occasions, I am still suprised not only by what I find, but how much better the actual product is compared to the early pictures. On a recent, and sweltering night, I decided to check a local store to update product listings. For the sake of irony, I assumed I would find the (thus far rare) Menasor figure. (I ordered one from a collector in California, so of course, I can assume one will turn up before mine arrives.)
No Menasors to be found. But, there were Beast Wars leaders, and remnants of a recent wave of Cybertron toys.
The Leaders: Both toys are packaged as the earlier anniversary figures (all recolors of old toys) were, but with 2 major differences. Rather than a single episode DVD and a piece of a larger toy, the leaders are packed with a small reprint of the recent IDW Beast Wars comic, and a small PVC of their respective ships from the old cartoon. The comic is a lack-luster offering. Besides the fact it was never good to begin with, the pages did not re-size well. Of course, making the comic harder to read may be a good thing.
Megatron w/ Predacon ship:
The t-rex mode is incredible. The sculpt and proportions do an excellent job of conveyeing the fact that dinosaurs were bird-like more than lizard-like. In terms of engineering, the transform is an inversion of the original dino-Megatron from '96. The only real flaw with the toy can be found here, in that several of the joints rely heaviy on the plastic tolerances, rather than any peg/socket system. Should these pieces become loose, the toy will be functionally broken. Despite being a US exclusive mold, the robot form looks very Japanese. The legs are excessively long, and the arms are a bit on the short side. (I tend to think this is intentional, in order to keep a consistent "dino" aesthetic. One of the more noteable differences between the original Megatron and this one is the tail-cannon on the left hand. On the old toy, the tail was permanently attached. The new Megatron's tail cannon is removable. Inserting a plastic key reveals a spring loaded cannon.
The Predacon ship is a well molded PVC. The plastic quality is good. And, the underside of the ship has more detail (painted and sculpted) than many other toys have on their primary surfaces. The main downside is the shade of green used. While there is a credible arguement to make that green is the correct color for this mold, the shade used is far too bright.
Grade:
A/B Not a perfect set, but it does a good many things well, including some interesting bits of engineering.

Optimus Primal:
The main selling point of this toy is the fact that it combines traits from previous renditions of the character. The engineering is primarily evocative of the early Beast Machines toy from '99. Additionally, some of the aesthetic touches (the beast hands, and the sculpted jets on the back) are similarly evocative. The colors are mostly derived from the first gorilla form. A detachable hover-board (usable only in beast form) is clearly inspired by the second gorilla form (from '97), the head sculpt splits the difference between the "Optimal" and bat forms. The problems with this toy are mostly in the execution, not the concept. A few more points of articulation would have greatly improved the beast form. And, the sigil (painted on the port beast-buttock) is jarring, and seems placed to inspire rude humor from collectors. Along similar lines, the beast mode's gorilla chest winds up on the robot's backside, allowing for more lewd jokes for collectors who are so inclined. The hover-board has a key-accessible missile launcher. The instructions show the toy holding the board like a gun, but the two pieces do not really connect solidly.
The Axalon is much closer to the correct color than the Predacon ship, but is a bit too light. The molding is solid enough, and people who are overly troubled by the colors can easily fix them with a bit of paint.
Grade:
B This set had much more potential than Megatron, but it also fails to deliver on more.
Demolishor:
This is a recolor, based on the original mold for the character used in late '02 (and several times since). Time has either been very kind to the original molding, or it has been restored. (Either case is plausible. I have a toy cast from the mold in late '03, and this more recent one looks cleaner. But, I have a hard time seeing Hasbro spending time and money to touch up an old mold.) While the mold itself has held up well, other changes made to the toy have harmed it. This is the first release of Demolishor's tank/bot form to lack a Minicon. While the inclusion of smaller Minicon figures (presented as assistants and slaves to the larger characters) became common in '02, Demolishor's worked especially well both in terms of aesthetics, and engineering. For whatever reason, Hasbro elected to remove the Minicon, and replace it with a key piece, similar to the ones included with most current toys. The key included with Demolishor has an extra socket piece, allowing it to function partially as a Minicon would. Mechanically, it serves just as well when unlocking the two-stage spring loaded gimmick (as impressively engineered now as it was 4 years ago). But, in terms of aesthetics, the key falls flat. And, some gimmicks on Demolishor are disabled without the specific Minicon the toy was designed to connect to.
An interesting aside is the character profile on the back of the package. It seems to over-write the Energon series, and portions of Armada. This is consistent with recent moves by Hasbro to use the "package story" to clean up and clarify inconsistencies in the story.
Grade:
C/D While the tank and robot forms are still worth-while, and the jungle camo scheme is one of the better paint applications seen on this mold, the lack of a Minicon (that could easily have been included) hurts this set.

Optimus Prime:
Much like Demolishor, this is a recolor of an older mold, and used to have a Minicon. Like Demolishor, Prime's mold has held up well over the years. The new colors actually preferable to previous uses of this mold (regardless of character). The lack of a Minicon does not hurt Prime as much as it hurts Demolishor for 2 reasons. One is the fact that Prime's Minicon was a pretty shoddy offering to begin with. The other is that Prime has no Minicon specific gimmicks that cannot be activated by using the included key (similar in design to Demolishor's). And, the gimmick is as lame as ever. It is either supposed to be a rapid punching action, or shoulding spasms. I still cannot figure it out. The biggest specific failure of the key when compared to the old Minicon figure is that it cannot convert into a weapon accessory for Prime. All this release of Prime has is the wrist blasters (aka the truck's exhaust pipes).
Grade:
B/C A solid effort, and the new color applications make this toy worth a look, if not worth purchasing. The lack of a Minicon, while annoying, is not as bad as with Demolishor.

Dom
-found Menasor today, and will post a review sometime next week.

Adam
07-19-2006, 01:04 AM
6 inch Titanium's have been found at Target in California, retailed for $14.99 so I was pretty close on my guess. :D

plasticfetish
07-19-2006, 01:17 AM
Speaking of Titaniums, I spotted the smaller Unicron and Optimus at a Fred Meyer (a Kroger store) here in PDX tonight. They looked OK, but the paint was a bit loose, so I'm not calling them great.

JediTricks
07-19-2006, 02:46 PM
Damn, I was at Target last night and they didn't have the Titanium 6"ers. :(


Dom, I can't believe you found another Menasor, totally figures! I told you it wouldn't be hard to find. :p I guess that's why you were asking about the receipt in that email.

Your review of Primal seems generous even compared to your comments.

BTW, I've always thought of Armada Dlx Prime's gimmick as being his arms shuddering as he fires his wrist weapons, that's the only way that gimmick doesn't seem totally doofy.

Adam
07-19-2006, 08:53 PM
TFW reports that the following Titanium 6 inch figures are on display at SDCC: War Within Starscream (a redeco of Thundercracker)
Robots In Disguise Optimus Prime
G1 Rodimus Prime with non detaching trailer (it's a part of the transformation).
G1 Soundwave with transforming cassettes.
as well as Optimal Optimus and Scourge - who is supposed to be really nice.

Also some pics of more redeco Scout figures, repainted Roadstorm as Hightail and the Shadow Recon minicon team.

http://www.tfw2005.com/new-pics-cybertron-hightail-and-shadow-recon-mini-con-team.htm

Adam
07-19-2006, 09:49 PM
I take it back he looks pretty not good in these pics..from SDCC

Titanium (http://tformers.com/ig.php?mode=album&album=6244&dispsize=800&start=0)

Classics (http://tformers.com/ig.php?mode=album&album=6243&dispsize=800&start=0)

JediTricks
07-19-2006, 10:52 PM
Titanium Soundwave looks really cool, sadly the rest don't look good enough yet, I hope they go through more work before hitting.


The Shadow Minicon team looks good, I'm a sucker for clear stuff. Hightail doesn't look different enough from Roadnutz though.

Adam
07-19-2006, 11:28 PM
I think Rodimus Prime looks pretty nice. Soundwave looks kinda odd though.

Adam
07-20-2006, 12:32 AM
The titanium gallery has been updated with better pics.
http://tformers.com/ig.php?mode=album&album=6244&dispsize=800&start=0

It's a shame this line is getting repaints so soon.

figrin bran
07-20-2006, 01:15 AM
i like the rodimus as well. i already have a vintage soundwave and so i'll probably pass on this titanium version.

darthvyn
07-20-2006, 06:39 AM
at first i was like "titanium soundwave looks pretty cool!" then i realized he looks like he's wearing a titanium diaper with a titanium load in it...

http://tformers.com/ig.php?mode=view&album=6244&pic=DSC05940.JPG&dispsize=800&start=0

Tycho
07-20-2006, 10:48 AM
Today is the Hasbro Transformers panel at Comic Con at 4pm (attendees check your schedule). I'll be going to this.

Meanwhile, I did not see the MP Starscream in their boothe. I'll be asking for it, you can best be assured. RUMBLE was also not there. The Prime / Nemesis Prime sculpts actually look pretty good though. That's the first time I've seen him in person. I like the thick, powerful legs and "armored" style body.

Mirage was the only other Alternator I have not seen on display there. Now SideSwipe was good - but he's 2 years old news already! :rolleyes:

CooLJoE
07-20-2006, 11:56 AM
LOL I love the description of Soundwave Titanium having a titanium diaper with a titanium load in it.


There was a picture of Starscream MP-03 posted on tfw2005. Infact its the top news piece on that site right now. Instead of him being grey/light-grey, he's a dark grey-ish blue color. I still want him, but it kind of detracts from the Starscream appeal.



BTW, does anyone know the deal on why Nemesis Prime can't be ordered from HasbroToyShop.com? Its listed on the site and says its being sold exclusively from their store, but all morning (ever since you could get into the toyshop to order SDCC exclusives) its been showing "coming soon" instead of "add to cart".

Tycho
07-20-2006, 04:14 PM
I'm leaving for Comic Con in a few minutes here. We really should have done a Q&A Transformers column like we're doing for Star Wars.

Transformers has a special panel with the Hasbro team today at Comic Con at 4 o'clock. I'm sure I'll know to ask a lot of the right Alternator questions and those regarding Master Piece figures (Starscream, Prime's trailer - US releases, etc.) I'll be inquiring about Megatron for sure (Tank, Hummer, what? Which lines?) And I'll try to make sense of the rest of the stuff I'm less familiar with.

My report from the panel will be on ActionFigs.com and I'll link to it in this thread. Star Wars Transformers will probably be covered that way too, though I might copy that part into the SW Transformers forum here.

I'll update you all tonight around 8-10pm PST as long as I don't have something better to do :D (but I'll update you soon). I have a camera with me, btw - but I'm not the photographer like Steve or his other help. But pun intended, I'll give the work some of my best shots.

Adam
07-20-2006, 08:50 PM
The HTS debacle with Nemesis Prime gave me a headache for the rest of the day. Many people who were at the site to order it at the time it was supposed to be available (like myself) missed out because we couldn't wait around forever.

I have already canceled my preorder for MP-03. I won't call it starscream, because its not. Apparently to get the real Starscream you have to live in Japan, buy MP-03 and MP-04 and join their "club" then you can purchase MP-03 in starscream's colors. Takaratomy, what were you thinking?

Tycho
07-20-2006, 10:57 PM
Hasbro's Transformers Team made a Comic Con presentation jointly with Sony BMG reviewing the plans for the Transformers' immediate future.

The conference room was completely filled up, including every standing place against the wall, as people packed in tightly to see the presentation for its full hour.

Representing Hasbro was their main spokesman, Greg Lombardi, along with team members Mike Ballog, Eric Siebenaler, and Aaron Archer.

Current and upcoming product was showcased via a video presentation.

Cybertron selections include the giants Primus, Metroplex, and Menacor.

With most Transformer brand lines going on temporary hold to allow the company to concentrate on upcoming movie products from the Michael Bay live action film, the Transformers Team wanted to take the Cybertron series out with a bang. They always wanted to do a character with two drills for arms, hence the look for Cybertron Menacor. Primus himself is a favorite piece of the teams, as they'd only done a transforming planet once before (Unicron), and they'd never built the planet Cybertron.

Another focus of Hasbro's is to update the Classic characters. There will be a Classic Deluxe sub-line and a Voyager series. They want the characters to look like their historical, animated selves. Hence, for the first time in years, Megatron goes back to being a gun. The team commented that it is no coincidence that Megatron looks like a Hasbro-owned Nerf toy gun. They laughed while they highly recommend adult collectors invest in some model paint. But in all seriousness, this was the only way they could release Megatron as a gun and they could either stick with the traditional approach to Megatron or abandon their plans to make him. There was much discussion about what they were going to do with Megatron and the decision to "add him to the Nerf line" was not made lightly.

The Titanium Series is marketed towards the adult collectors. Fans were shown a picture of Predaking in Titanium. Yes he looks as if he'd separate into the various beasts but no supposition as to whether he really will or not is available at the time of this report. The Hasbro Team said they really wanted to do less well-known characters in the Titanium Series, like Predaking, because the adult fans would know who they are.

The Alternators have wrapped up their new additions for this year with Mirage and Optimus Prime. Nemesis Prime is a black version of the Dodge truck mold Hasbro used for Optimus, and is a Comic Con exclusive. He is presumably available on HasbroToyShop.com and may very well likely make his way around the Summer convention circuit. Two more new Alternators will make their debut in the Spring of 2007 before the line goes on hiatus while the main focus for Transformers will be movie-tie-in products.

Hot Topic will carry 5 exclusive Transformers items. They will be re-releases of the Heroes of Cybertron action figures. The assortment will include Rodimus Prime, Optimus Prime, Megatron, Soundwave, and Ultra Magnus.

Star Wars Transformers will be continuing, however the Star Wars team will reveal those details.

A question and answer period with the fans and the Hasbro Team followed. The responses are summarized.

It is hoped that with the Live-Action film, German car companies (actually the term "European" car companies was used) will learn what Transformers are all about and they may be more forthcoming with offers for licensing rights after the release of the movie.

The reason JetFire changes styles and classes of planes so often, (futuristic fighter jet, to cargo hauler, etc.) is so that collectors will "have to" buy him in every new incarnation. Hasbro believes it is smart marketing to use the name of a well-liked character to sell their new designs.

Masterpiece Starscream has not been picked up by a retailer for US release, thus no timetable is set at this moment. Bringing him out on the US market is being seriously looked at.

The folks designing Transformers start with sketchbook drawings, then a hand-made toy is prototyped. They rarely design them using auto-CAD engineering programs, or that sort of thing.

The mass-market toys tied in to the live-action movie promotion will preceede the theatrical release by 3-7 weeks. No locked-in date has been set at present. However, starting in the springtime, Transformers will focus squarely on the movie. The movie toys will represent various scales and price points.

Hasbro feels their Generation 1 classic re-releases did fairly well. However, Astrotrain will be the last for the immediate, foreseeable future. More later might be possible.

Military aircraft companies have been approached to work with Hasbro for their Alternators line. They are not the problem. Size is because all Alternators are supposed to run at a 1:24 scale. The Team suggests that MP Starscream is going to be his most compatible "Alternator," and again, they repeat that they really want to bring him out in the US market. It was suggested that he'd also be repainted as Thundercracker and Skywarp. There are no further plans to make military vehicle Alternators at present.

Back to Star Wars Transformers, the team said it was possible that signature weapons like lightsabers, and even a combiner that formed the Death Star could be possible.

Activision is going to be making the Transformers video game tie-in for the Michael Bay movie.

Since Star Wars and Transformers have crossed over, Hasbro says they'll look at crossovers with GI Joe one day.

The Alternator Optimus Prime is a pickup truck because Takara who partners with Hasbro from Japan said that Japanese don't own pickup trucks and wouldn't be interested in the character unless he was of some high-interest. In person, this is actually a very impressive figure.

The Hasbro Team has seen Takara's plastic trailer for MP Optimus Prime's truck mode, and they are looking for the appropriate way to release it in the US market - possibly separately, so one does not have to purchase another Optimus Prime.

Michael Bay has witnessed extensive and very polite and praiseworthy fan conduct supporting voice actor Peter Cullins reprising his role from the 80's cartoons as the one and only Optimus Prime. Mr. Cullins is currently scheduled to screen test for the role in the live action movie. So yes, a giant, powerful Transformer brought to "real-life" on the silverscreen, may in fact actually speak with the voice of your favorite cartoon character! The word is that Director Michael Bay was very impressed with the fans' dedication to Cullins.

Hasbro wrapped up their Q&A session, and then stayed on to watch representatives from Sony BMG premier the 20th Anniversary Edition DVD set for Transformers: The Movie (the 80's feature-length cartoon movie). The box set will include two DVDs. The film has been remastered and adapted to play widescreen style, as well as traditional pan and scan. In "the Matrix of Knowledge" mode, fun factoid blurbs appear on-screen, such as Daniel's hoverboard design was also used in Back To The Future II and Hot Rod was shown with two different transformation styles (before he was ever Rodimus).

The audience of true fans roared with delight as scenes from the film were shown once again on a big screen with digital sound. "The Touch" blared out of speakers as half-a-dozen Decepticons were smashed under Optimus Prime's wheels and his truck cab launches itself into the air on trails of fire as he transforms himself and guns down half-a-dozen more Decepticons before declaring to Megatron himself, "One shall stand and one shall fall!" Then Sony's short demo film abuptly cut to Unicron blowing up from the inside out as Rodimus Prime lauches himself through the tyrant's eye. A few more of the great scenes from that movie were played teasing the audience. Children in the crowd were fascinated by it all - many of them the sons and daughters of the fathers present whom had grown up with this film.

What was amazing and surprising as well was the art designed to promote the DVD's update and re-release. Illustrator Don Figueroa was on hand to show off the new movie cover art. Optimus Prime in all his glory has rightly replaced Ultra Magnus on the cover. He is joined by BumbleBee amongst others.

Even more incredible was Don Figeuroa's "transforming art." Two more posters were designed for the promotion, one with each "sub-generation" of the G1 Transformers. Hologram printing technology was used to combine the two posters so that the elements in the pictures appear to transform as light is reflected off it from different angles: Optimus becomes Rodimus, Megatron becomes Galvatron, and BumbleBee becomes Daniel in his transforming space suit. To fully appreciate this, one needs to see it in person. There are no plans for Sony to mass produce this artwork and sell it to the greater fandom. The company representatives may have been very much surprised by the fans' enthusiasm to purchase this work. Artist Don Figeuroa does not even own a finished Transforming poster, because technicians combined his two art pieces to give it the special effects. This is truly an amazing piece!

This concludes the Transformers update from the San Diego Comic Con for July 20, 2006.

figrin bran
07-21-2006, 12:32 AM
Tycho, did Sony mention anything about re-releasing the G1 cartoon dvd's?

CooLJoE
07-21-2006, 02:26 AM
I'm very glad to here cullen is doing sound test work at Optimus for the movie. Although I'm upset to hear that Alternators will be put on hold after Rumble and Ravage (the 2 coming springs of 2007). The last for this year are Optimus, Mirage, and Camshaft (and of course Nemesis Prime). And then of course the 20th Anniv Prime repackaged as a 20th Anniv DVD edition with a base that plays sound bites from the original movie. Although oddly, bigbot.com lists a Megatron that is still set to be released as an Alternator (tan M1A2 Abrams tank).

I'm hoping the movie toys are done with quality and class, much like the Alternators line. Its going to be disappointing if they turn out like the rest of the TF lines (small, cheap looking with very basic transforming methods). And hopefully a specific date is set, much like they did for StarWars for the toy release.

Tycho
07-21-2006, 03:04 AM
Tycho, did Sony mention anything about re-releasing the G1 cartoon dvd's?

No. And no one asked this great question. With all that was going on, I don't think anyone thought of it.


The last for this year are Optimus, Mirage, and Camshaft (and of course Nemesis Prime). And then of course the 20th Anniv Prime repackaged as a 20th Anniv DVD edition with a base that plays sound bites from the original movie. Although oddly, bigbot.com lists a Megatron that is still set to be released as an Alternator (tan M1A2 Abrams tank).

I do not doubt this. In fact I have a picture from another website of Rumble. However, Hasbro did not reveal or confirm any of this - except that I may doubt the information about the Abrams tank. They specifically answered that there are no plans for Megatron or Soundwave for the Alternators at this time. Again, the discussion about 20the Anniv Prime centered around a US release for his trailer. One with a display base that talks with Peter Cullins' voice and also possibly plays "The Touch," would be awesome, in my opinion!

Who knows? Cullins is hanging out with a lot of Autobots lately :D

JediTricks
07-21-2006, 03:22 PM
MP Prime trailer and painted MP Starscream: http://www.tformers.com/article.php?sid=6259&mode=flat

Prime trailer open: http://www.tformers.com/article.php?sid=6250&mode=flat

I think Starscream looks like hot buttered crap in those colors, pick a real colorscheme, don't try to straddle the line between realistic and G1.


Good job on the SDCC TF news Tycho...

Alternators to go on hiatus after 2 more entries, I'm thinking "Mirage" and "Rumble" are what they meant, and the hiatus I bet will turn permanent.

That's it for Classics?!? That makes no sense, they're gonna have a big gap between Classics and the new TF movie.

I knew the scale was the issue with non-car Alternators, I could feel it.

BTW, it's "Menasor" and "Cullen", not "Menacor" and "Cullins", I fixed that over on your AF story.

Adam
07-21-2006, 08:27 PM
That Abram's Megatron we've seen the color sheet for could be for anything. Calling it an Alternator was pure speculation by bigbot.

Kinda dissapointed with the lack of new product shown from the Transformers lines. The new Titanium stuff is nice, but I was expecting to see some more new items, like if BWX Primal and Megs will be repainted for their release in the Cybertron line. There is a card out for a Costco Prime/Wing Saber 2 pack to be released at Costco, but no toy to go with it, thus no indication whether its from Energon or Cybertron. At 35 bucks, I'm willing to bet its the Energon versions. Maybe that Santa Prime will see the light of day after all. lol


OH, and although I don't remember seeing it in Tycho's report, Hasbro did say they were going to show Classics wave 2 at Botcon.

Tycho
07-21-2006, 11:17 PM
I think Adam is right. I'm new to all this reporting on Transformers and I'm glad you guys think I got some things right. Thanks for the spell check, JT.

As to MP Prime w. Trailer and Starscream: they're obviously real, just that Hasbro has no US release plans for them as of yet.

plasticfetish
07-22-2006, 06:01 AM
Spotted a few Titanium 3" figures at Kmart of all places today. BW Megatron, Starscream, Jazz, The Ark and a few others.

Also... I'm sure this is old news around here, (I haven't read back to see), but we saw the Transformers movie trailer when we were out tonight... looks good. Not much to see, but it was exciting anyway.

Dominic Guglieme
07-23-2006, 01:22 PM
I have seen the preview. From what I head (rumor mill), it really has nothing to do with the movie's story. It is more just so the animators can get a feel for the project.

plasticfetish
07-23-2006, 01:34 PM
Yeah, well... it doesn't show anything. It's just a teaser.

Adam
07-24-2006, 01:23 AM
Wasn't even really a teaser. Just an announcement to the masses.

plasticfetish
07-24-2006, 02:10 AM
Well... you do get to see an ominous robot shadow. ;)

El Chuxter
07-24-2006, 08:23 AM
I asked the lady from Sony BMG about the cartoon, and the GIJoe cartoon. She said they weren't ready to discuss it now, but seemed to strongly hint that they had the rights for those as well.

figrin bran
07-24-2006, 10:59 AM
awesome chux, thanks for asking the sony BMG people about those cartoon dvd's. way to ask the questions that are on everyone's mind! :) i guess for now, i won't try to track down the rhino sets i'm missing.

JediTricks
07-30-2006, 08:26 PM
Thanks to Figrin Bran's stashing, I was able to get...

TF: Alternators Mirage - After months and months of no new Alternators molds, the long-awaited Mirage finally has made his appearance. Mirage is a Ford GT, a supercar based on the Ford GT40 racecar of the 1960s, the car that dethroned Ferrari at Le Mans. Mirage's G1 appearance was of a Formula 1 racecar, an open-wheeled, minimal-cockpit, 180mph+ racing machine; and while this new Mirage's alt mode is not a racer, its got racing heritage and a 205mph top speed, so the transition works. To me, there aren't enough exciting cars in Alternators line, so Mirage has been highly anticipated.

Paint-Deco: 5/5
G1 Mirage was medium blue with white, and Alt Mirage takes a similar cue using the stock Ford GT midnight blue colorscheme - a much darker metallic blue with white stripes - although another stock colorscheme, centennial white, I think would have worked better for a G1 homage, especially in robot mode. Hasbro went all-out for the deco this time, the Ford emblem is painted on the nose, the gas cap, center console, dash, and facade door hinges are painted silver, the wheels and side mirrors are chromed, the driving lamps and all windows are clear plastic with painted elements, the dark blue paint matches the dark blue plastic dead-on, it's nearly perfect; the only thing I can see missing is that the front side markers aren't orange. The trunk lid (which is at the front) has a small silver Autobot logo painted on the center intake channel which fades into the white on either side and is the only faction logo on the whole set. My one gripe would be the chrome on the wheels, it's not that evenly-applied and came chipped around the edges on every rim to varying degrees.

Robot mode adds black, medium blue accents here and there (both painted and plastic), and gold for the eyes (like the G1 toy's eyes). Although there's a lot more white in play via the arms and upper legs, the chief color remains midnight blue. The silver on the head for the face and side-vents fits well with the look. The silver Autobot logo ends up on the upper chest panel. The 2 pistols are white plastic with blue handles, the longer one has a silver front half - I wish they had painted the guns completely silver though as the white gets visually lost next to the white forearms. The overall looks is very nice and balanced and clean, not a tremendous G1 homage yet dark and stealthy while still visable, good for a spy.

Vehicle Mode: 5/5
Hasbro didn't just go all out on the deco quality, the vehicle mode is astounding: nothing wobbles, nothing pops off, no gaps, no misalignment, just sheer solid accuracy right down to the GT's rear semi-floating bumper. The GT's low-slung supercar lines are well-represented here, from the airflow channels and intakes to the low-profile fender-mounted headlamps, the right fender gas cap and doors that cut into the roof, it's a fantastic representation and all very solid. There's also Alternators features: the rubber "Cybertronian Radials" tires; the front wheels turn in tandem; the front trunk lid opens (albeit with the panel that goes behind it, but that's incredibly minor); the doors open; the steering wheel turns and its column raises and lowers; the seats tilt forward; and the rear hood opens. Amazingly, the doors, trunk lid, and hood all clip down securely (very securely on the rear hood, with pegs in the back and a tab in the front, be aware), and they all open accurately with the roof panel part of the door, the trunk swinging forward, and the hood swinging backwards (though it doesn't stay upright due to the jointing, so many use the engine cage's jointing to open the hood the opposite direction since it stays open that way even though it's not accurate).

The interiors are pretty nifty too, the trunk in the front is just as dinky as the real one and has some of its spartan details; the engine bay sports a lot of detailing even in the lid; and the cab interior looks great as well with a plastic steering wheel, rubber gear shifter and parking brake, vented seats and floor, and even detail in the roof. Except for the exhaust system, the undercarriage doesn't look that accurate, but it's solid and covered in detailing none the less except at the front end where it's robot fists partially covering a robot face. A note about the back of the undercarriage: there are 2 sets of air channels out the back, these may come flopping but they actually slide up on their pin into a locked position though, it's tough to get them pushed all the way there but worth it. On the whole, no Alternator better represents its licensed vehicle mode than Mirage's Ford GT here.

Transformation: 3.5/5
The transformation is complex without being very frustrating, a lot of parts move yet nothing pops off. There's a few pegs that can be a chore, but following the instructions gets you there pretty well, except the instructions tell you to fold the front fenders down without mentioning that they're pegged into the main body area, you have to pull up slightly to free them and then avoid the steering tabs when bringing the fender down. The instructions are also a bit questionable about these fold-out undercarriage panels that may be intended to lock down the trunk lid chest armor, they say the panels fold over the lid but that looks awful and doesn't fit the panels' hinge stops - I fold them over the actual trunk and then fold the lid over that. The transformation has some elegance to it but is a little busy and leaves a few questions.

Mirage's engine splits in half with one side having the header rotate around, then both have a stock fold down.

Transformation back to vehicle mode is a little easier, it's easy to get a little confused about how the feet go back, and you have to keep an eye on a few tabs and posts, but there's a bit more freedom to move pieces when you want to. A note of caution: the front wheels' posts line up with their steering tabs in a very specific way, make sure you get their posts lined up while you realign the front fenders so it doesn't cause a problem later.

Bot Mode: 4/5
Mirage is an average-height Alternators figure, he's got wide shoulders made up of the front fender halves and the rest of him tapers down into standard bot proportions with a solid core. Even though his kibble takes up a lot of extra space - those folded-down doors are way back there, the large hood ends up on his back hanging inside the cab, and the rear vehicle panels as kneepads are way out in front - he somehow gets away with his sleek look far more than he really should. The head has the vents and antennae of the G1 character, but does away with the oval shape giving Mirage a cleaner, more businesslike look; his face is a bit youthful and determined. I love that they gave him a real neck rather than just a cheap post, it's not long but it's tapered and lines up with the bottom of the head. The whole figure is chock full of sculpted detailing, even on parts where it didn't need to be like beside the neck and under the fold-out chest panels, even vents at the front of the feet. The arms and upper legs are simpler than the rest, and cast in white and mid-blue so even less to see, but there's still some details to keep it from looking plain; the arms actually taper up slightly, not Popeye-esque luckily, and the hands and forearms are blocky with slightly beveled edges - someone left "L" and "R" on the tops of the respective index fingers though.

The knees are high up, about mid-thigh, like other recent Alternators, The feet have long, fold-out heels so he's pretty stable. The pistols can be tabbed back onto their vehicle mode slots for storage (now found on the rear outer sides of the legs) but they're meant to be held in the hands, with a peg that fits into a slot in the back of the hand, they hold very nicely but are both a little weird-looking - the longer one is offset to the left, while the shorter one's barrel points upward slightly; if you don't dig the twin guns, leave them connected and just fold down one handle, this only works in his right hand though, it doesn't peg into the hand but the fingers holds it firmly. The chest is covered by the front trunk lid and the large air channels form a "Y" shape which reminiscent of G1 Mirage's torso. Beneath the chest lid is the nose of the car, it can be flipped over to reveal a panel that with even more detailing, the instructions treat it like a waist cover, but it has hinging that lets it sit higher to cover the stomach, this is a much better look. The chest armor hangs from arms hooked into the windshield in the back, so it's easy to dislodge the plates. The doors hanging down from the shoulders, the hood inside the back, and the bumper panel halves as knees are the parts I don't like; but the rest of the look is quite cool, not too bulky yet not scrawny, solid with armor plates, and I like the fender shoulders a lot more than I expected.

Articulation: 4/5
Mirage has over 20 points of articulation (well over depending on how you count some of those joints): ball-jointed neck, rotating shoulders, "shrug" hinged inner shoulders, rotating mid-biceps, double-hinged elbows, ball-jointed wrists, hinged finger-sets with separate index fingers, rotating waist, universal-jointed hips, universal-jointed knees, limited-range ball-jointed ankles topped at a limited-range hinge. The head can tilt upwards about 30 degrees, and can turn far enough to look over his shoulder. The shoulders are attached to a bar with a hinge in it that lets them shrug upwards, there's a stop halfway through that tries to force you to use that spot, but you can get more than that - it's very useful for a lot of poses. The knees are high up again, but actually work alright unlike Prowl's. The sideways hinge on the univeral hips is a bit loose on mine, so check that stability before leaving Mirage in an extreme pose. The wrists' ball joints have limited range in front, but can curl the hands inwards. The heels are on hinges from transformation that are strong enough to support some more creative poses. The waist is limited by the stomach and back kibble, but can go about 10 degrees either way. He can stand on his own and take a few decent poses without giving me worry, if I feel like taking more risks with those hips, he can do some even cooler poses.

Overall: A-
While not without his flaws, Mirage is already among my favorite Alternators in the line due to a nigh-perfect vehicle mode, a slick bot mode, and amazing sculpted detail throughout. The vehicle mode stability is amazing in a line known for its problems in that department. The transformation scheme borrows only a little from previous Alternators, and makes it all his own. Mirage takes a little splash of G1 and then goes his own way to make something very cool. While there are a few issues, my biggest complaint is simply that Mirage didn't get released sooner to keep the line's momentum going.


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One thing that I didn't mention in the review is that there are too many blue Alternator figures now: Smokescreen, Tracks, Shockblast, Skids, and now Mirage, plus Wheeljack is nearly half blue. This would have been another good reason to go with the Centennial White paint scheme (white with blue stripes) rather than the Midnight Blue.

Oh yeah, and for the super-sticklers, in vehicle mode the trunk lid doesn't sit quite flush, it's a couple millimeters up.

figrin bran
07-31-2006, 01:21 AM
JT's snarkin' it up! i'm glad my stashing efforts led to a good review.

Adam
07-31-2006, 10:02 AM
I got Quickmix the other day, not as good as I was hoping, but not as bad as others have feared. I'll post some more thoughts if I have time.

Tycho
07-31-2006, 11:38 AM
JT: silver / chrome would be a good color to use for Alternators again. I don't think since Silverstreak they've really gone that route.

JediTricks
07-31-2006, 04:21 PM
Adam, gonna post a full review on Quickmix? I am fairly confident I'm not going to bother with him, I don't like his look and I don't like his minicon's look. But I am curious to see more reviews.



JT: silver / chrome would be a good color to use for Alternators again. I don't think since Silverstreak they've really gone that route.Camshaft who is out now is supposed to be Silver, but he looks gray to me. There are no chrome production cars, but there are tons of silver, and "titanium" which is a darker version of silver, Hasbro could do that. Of course, the line is going on "hiatus" soon so probably not.

BTW, the Ford GT "Centennial White" paint job is white with blue stripes.

seanmcfripp
07-31-2006, 05:10 PM
Nice review, JT, thnx. I picked up my Mirage a few weeks ago, and he indeed is very cool, though I really can't stand the chest armor just floating in space. Alternators tend to have pretty solid designs, only to come up short in two or three minor little areas that make you raise an eyebrow.

So what's going to finish the line out before hiatus time? The Civic, and then that's it, or do we still get that rumored Jaguar that showed up in a store computer somewhere?

Tycho
07-31-2006, 06:50 PM
It would be so funny if they came out with a line that transformed into strange household items, like a toilet. Imagine what they could do for the Headmasters' line with that. Hehe.

JediTricks
08-01-2006, 04:08 PM
I really can't stand the chest armor just floating in space.It helps to have those chest panels just under the trunk lid, fills in some of the gap.


Alternators tend to have pretty solid designs, only to come up short in two or three minor little areas that make you raise an eyebrow.I know what you mean, it bothered the hell out of me on Prowl, but there it's the entire front end of the car which is a facade (Mirage's is way minor by comparison in my book).


So what's going to finish the line out before hiatus time? The Civic, and then that's it, or do we still get that rumored Jaguar that showed up in a store computer somewhere?Hasbro said 2 more new releases, at the time they didn't know that Camshaft had just hit stores, so my guess is Camshaft and then Rumble and that's it, no Jaguar, no Cadillac, no Megatron Abrams tank. :(

Chaddymac
08-01-2006, 06:56 PM
There is a card out for a Costco Prime/Wing Saber 2 pack to be released at Costco, but no toy to go with it, thus no indication whether its from Energon or Cybertron. At 35 bucks, I'm willing to bet its the Energon versions. Maybe that Santa Prime will see the light of day after all.

It's the Cyberton version. I saw a pic of it recently.


Alternators to go on hiatus after 2 more entries, I'm thinking "Mirage" and "Rumble" are what they meant, and the hiatus I bet will turn permanent.

I don't think it'll be permanent. In fact, I doubt we'll notice much of a hiatus. With the movie coming, I imagine Alternators will become that much more important in the betweenie years (assuming there's some warrant for a sequel).

Adam
08-01-2006, 08:05 PM
Yeah.. I saw it already chad. Thanks though.




I picked up the 6 inch Titaniums today. ( Hilariously, the DCPI on the Titaniums were switched, meaning the small ones were 14.99 and the larger ones were 4.99 lol ) I'll try to type out a review of them and Quickmix later tonight.

Adam
08-01-2006, 09:09 PM
You know what, I'm not going to even bother reviewing Titanium Megatron. I only bought it because it was 4.99, despite all the bad things I kept hearing about it. Well, take all those things and multiply it by 100 and you have Megatron. Not only is he the worst Transformer ever, he is quite possibly the worst toy ever. He went back in his box to be returned 2 mins after he left it. It does not give me much hope that Soundwave will look any different then he did at SDCC.

Tycho
08-02-2006, 03:25 AM
I saw Clerks 2 tonight and just learned that Transformers were an abomination against God!

Jesus did not die for Optimus Prime!

El Chuxter
08-02-2006, 08:35 AM
But Optimus Prime is the chosen one of Primus, the god of the Transformers, and he died and came back to defeat Megatron. I guess Jesus figured the Autobots were covered.

JediTricks
08-02-2006, 05:11 PM
It's the Cyberton version. I saw a pic of it recently.Yeah, it's regular CY Prime and Wing Saber for $35, what the hell??? I spent $30 more than that on those 2!!!


I don't think it'll be permanent. In fact, I doubt we'll notice much of a hiatus. With the movie coming, I imagine Alternators will become that much more important in the betweenie years (assuming there's some warrant for a sequel).The Alt line's sales are down, Japan's interest in them has dried up which means each mold is now twice as pricey for Hasbro since they're not sharing the load with Takara, and the line is going to be on hiatus throughout the movie line's run which means we're looking at a year or more without Alternators, I think this is the end.


Adam, I'm really surprised to hear you say Titanium 6" Megs is that bad, that's shocking. It's not the first review I've heard say it's bad, but after how excited you were for these... damn!


The Clerks 2 argument is that such a crappy cartoon would be an affront to God - ouch.

Dominic Guglieme
08-02-2006, 05:25 PM
Howdy, things have been crazy lately.


Okay, before the review, two things...


Adam was being charitable in his Titaniums review.


Is the Costco set going to be recolors? And, what does a Costco membership cost?




Here are several short reviews of recent acquisitions.
Cybertron:
Menasor
Unicron
Gigalonian Minicon team
various Legends of Cybertron
Titaniums:
Optimus Prime
Megatron

Menasor:
This toy is pretty well impossible to review. The quality control problems are many, varied, and frequent. Anything I say could easily be contradicted by somebody with another copy of the toy. In general, this is a great idea, completely ruined by inconsistent execution. If you are feeling brave, your copy of Menasor is likely to have plastic tolerance problems with the hips, the chest, and with the drill mechanism in the right arm. These problems seem to manifest if exclusive combinations. For example, I have not heard any accounts of Menasor toys with both the hip and chest problems. But, I have not heard of any copies that lack both. In theory, one could buy multiple copies, and swap parts around, but that is a great deal of effort for what is supposed to be a hobby.
Grade: n/a If you pick one up, be wary.

Unicron:
Woohoo! The X-Planet faction is complete. And, this is one more US exclusive mold that I have! Huzzah. This toy definitely appeals more that I initially thought it would. If one can seperate this toy from the context it is associated with (a truly awful set of convention exclusive comics), it is not half bad. The transform is similar enough to the Sideways toy (another X-Planet faction member) to be evocative, but different enough to be redundant. The tank is evocative of something one might see in Games Workshop (such as an Eldar tank), and the bot form displays well, albeit with somewhat odd proportions.
Grade: B Do not go crazy looking for this toy, but pick one up if you see it.

Legends of Cybertron toys:
These things have turned up at KMart. While the early runs of the line are still difficult to find (owing to lousy distribution), the current toys are better distributed. The most notable of the several I have is Thundercracker, which is arguably better than the full-sized version. Starscream (recolored as Sunstorm) is also worth a look. The worst is Redalert, which feels cheap, even for the price-point.
Grade: varies Do not go nuts looking for these. Grab Thundercracker if you find one. Buy the rest as your fancy warrants.

Gigalonian Minicon team:
Yeeehaw! More exclusive US molds, and one step closer to finishing the Gigalonian faction. All told, this is not a bad set. As with all of the Minicon 3-packs, the set has a unified gimmick. In this case, the gimmick is rooted in aesthetics, with each of the Minicons transforming into small versions of what would normally be large vehicles, a sub, a transport plane, and a crane. There is also a land/sea/air theme here. The best is the crane, which is designed around a concept that makes some larger toys look primitive by comparison. As with the first set of Cybertron Minicons (the soon to be recolored Recon Team), choosing the worst is difficult as all 3 pieces in the set are excellent.
Grade: A Stuff like this justifies the hobby.

Titanims:
Oddly, I found these things derned cheap. For whatever reason (likely owing to a store remodel gone awry) I found the larger Megatron and Optimus toys marked for $5 each, and the smaller toys marked for $15. (The prices and product codes seem to have been transposed in one of the inventory control systems.) I tried to inform a clerk of this (as the guy tried to help me find Gigalonian Minicons.), and he simply checked his scanner for the price. (This makes no sense, as his scanner is rooted into the same system that produced the incorrect pricing in the first place.......) So, after attempting to be moral, I still wound up with two cheap Titaniums figures, and payed less for both than either should have cost alone.
And, believe you me, did I ger ripped off. While poor quality control may play a role here, many of the problems seem rooted in the basic design of the toys. They break while being transformed. They break while being fiddled with. They even break while being removed from the packaging. (Megatron came apart like a shoddily connected merge-team.) The packaging is not just tedious to open, is is actually difficult, with the twist ties actually cutting into one's fingers while being opened. What follows is a review of the two that I got. But, the grade is for the line thus far.
Grade: F Avoid this line. Some good ideas, but poorly planned and badly executed.
Optimus:
As this toy is based on the character as shown in "The War Within", I really wanted to like this toy. But, a combination of flimsy jointes, and lost engineering opportunities conspire to reduce what could have been a great toy to the level of boot-leg. One of the more troublesome examples of this is the fact that the (plastic) hands have sloppier molding than some toys that are 20 years old. The transform is straight forward, but hindered by the construction of the toy.
One bright spot is the character profile on the back. The character stats are not a straight line of "10s", which presumably reflects Prime's status as a novice during "The War Within" arc.
Megatron:
This is possibly the worst Transformer I have ever purchased. Even Generation 1 Ironhide stayed together, aside from where parts where made to detach. Cybertron Backstop, while failing in terms of aesthetics, is a good sturdy toy. Megatron's right arm does not even stay attached when the toy is being transformed. If the tank form is jostled, the arm (half of the turret) falls out. The only thing to say about this toy that is now wholly negative is that it is an odd evocation of 2 obscure arcs. The tank form is a nod to Marvel''s "Generation 2" arc, and the write-up on the back references the Dreamwave cross-over from '03. (Never mind that the '03 story was terrible.)


Dom
-taking some comfort in the fact that the Gigalonian Minicons were good.

JediTricks
08-02-2006, 05:41 PM
The Costco set is not repaints, it comes with a DVD ep of the show and side-by-side packaging, but otherwise appears to be the same damn figures.

Charitable, really? And then I saw your review... wow. Care to sell me your Titanium 6"ers for $5 a pop Dom? :p

Adam
08-02-2006, 07:23 PM
It's likely you can find them at Target for 5 bucks, its happening all over the place.

I should have known Megatron was trouble when I saw his arms are not connected to the main body in the package. And its not just the one I bought.. they are all like that.

Tycho
08-02-2006, 10:38 PM
The Alt line's sales are down, Japan's interest in them has dried up which means each mold is now twice as pricey for Hasbro since they're not sharing the load with Takara, and the line is going to be on hiatus throughout the movie line's run which means we're looking at a year or more without Alternators, I think this is the end.

That would be an affront to God!

figrin bran
08-03-2006, 12:44 AM
and to think that i nearly bought that titanium megatron!!! thank you for saving me $15 Dom!

Dominic Guglieme
08-03-2006, 12:36 PM
The Titaniums prices are correct at some stores. But, given that Adam and I live in different regions, the confusion must be pretty far up the chain.

Anyone have any insights about Target's management structure?


And, JT, the shipping would likely eradicate any savings for you. When I say pay no more than $5, I am being nice. I figure shipping will push the pair up to about 25 dollars at least. Do you really want to take that ride?

JediTricks
08-03-2006, 04:04 PM
It's likely you can find them at Target for 5 bucks, its happening all over the place.

I should have known Megatron was trouble when I saw his arms are not connected to the main body in the package. And its not just the one I bought.. they are all like that.I live in scalper heaven, these things never survive 5 minutes.

Arms not connected in package, that's a bad sign.


And, JT, the shipping would likely eradicate any savings for you. When I say pay no more than $5, I am being nice. I figure shipping will push the pair up to about 25 dollars at least. Do you really want to take that ride?I guess that's a good question, I'll need to see them in person before deciding.

Tycho
08-06-2006, 01:10 AM
This is by no means final, but we think from the possible movie toys there will be:

Optimus Prime = semi-truck, long nose style
Ironhide = black pickup truck
BumbleBee = yellow Camarro
Ratchet = white ambulance or red fire truck??
Jazz = white Mazda or Acura sports car

Megatron = Abrams Tank
Starscream = black F111 stealth fighter jet
Vortex = dark green Apache helicopter
Soundwave = (color?) miniature boombox
Brawl = Black Mustang Highway Patrol Car
Scorponok = giant robotic Scorpion - possibly transforms into transport plane (Beast Machine?)
Devastator = orange or yellow steam shovel like Constructicon Scrapper
BoneCrusher = orange or yellow landmine clearing vehicle

What price point is affordable for the kids to get a movie collection?

$20 per Transformer seems to be the going Alternator rate, and it would cost $260 total (plus tax) to assemble this collection at that price. However, characters like Starscream would be way off scale.

At the $10 price range, they'd be worse for scale.

In fact, it would be better if you had at $20:

BumbleBee
Jazz
Ironhide
Ratchet (possibly)
Brawl
Devastator
Bonecrusher (possibly)

and at $30 (at least) you had:

Optimus Prime
Megatron
Starscream
Vortex
Scorponok

Then maybe you could have $10:

Soundwave if he's so small

Adam
08-06-2006, 08:29 PM
I thought Soundwave had been cut from the movie?

Tycho
08-06-2006, 11:36 PM
I thought Soundwave had been cut from the movie?

We don't know. If he is still in it as a boombox though, he's definitely been cut - down to 1/16 of his former size or something!

I hope Ironhide steps on him. Hehe.

figrin bran
08-07-2006, 12:33 AM
how many times do we have to say that Soundwave is an ipod mini? ;)

JediTricks
08-07-2006, 07:56 PM
I think Hasbro is going to try to do $15 pricepoint and $25 pricepoint and $40 pricepoint, basically they're going to try to shoehorn the current-$10 figures into $15 prices because of the movie, and the same with the current-$20 figs into $25, but leave the $40 as-is.

My other guess is that they're going to do all the figures (all 10-14 of 'em :() in the current regular pricepoints ($7, $10, $20, $25, $40, $50) and do smaller and larger versions of each character spread throughout the specrtrum.

And then what? Hasbro said that what we've seen now is it for Classics, Cybertron is over, Alternators is on hiatus, what happens when the TF movie figures come out and everybody buys all 10 characters, what will the future of TF be from that point?

Tycho
08-07-2006, 08:10 PM
what happens when the TF movie figures come out and everybody buys all 10 characters, what will the future of TF be from that point?

Well, since Hasbro owns Transformers, moreso than Michael Bay ever will, Hasbro will add to the movie line "figures that 'could have been in the movie' like Mirage, Hound, Skywarp, etc." The toy line will continue from there.

If the movie is a huge hit, there might be pressure for Michael Bay to make a sequel - and possibly incorporate those specific characters into the next movie.

I doubt Michael Bay will be allowed to invent his own Transformers - such as Super-Sucker, who transforms into a vacuum cleaner, and put that into the next movie (if there is one).

I'm not sure how much control Hasbro has over the project, but I bet they're loving every inch they can take.

JediTricks
08-07-2006, 10:07 PM
Bay's intention is to make this a running franchise, it's why he got into it, so he's likely going to want Hasbro to keep a light touch with new figures since he'll want to design from the ground up any new characters he includes in a sequel.

Tycho
08-07-2006, 10:30 PM
Oh cool! Then Super-Sucker will be in the next movie as well as the combiner "Bankruptor." :rolleyes:

Soon to be our favorite Transformers in a Michael Bay release playing at a theater near you. :D

figrin bran
08-08-2006, 12:53 AM
they'll probably have figures at a $5 pricepoint as well. (titanium 3")

JediTricks
08-08-2006, 02:24 PM
TF Titanium Series are not entirely handled by Transformers division, so I'm not counting them as an official line entry.

Dominic Guglieme
08-08-2006, 04:27 PM
That may explain the QC problems. Ah well, I am skipping that line. All told, I am going to hunker down for the next year, and snag Cybertron and recolors there of.

JediTricks
08-08-2006, 04:40 PM
I think that may be difficult, the Classics line will be taking over the shelves in the next 2 months, by the end of this year I believe Hasbro will have completely halted the CY line.

El Chuxter
08-08-2006, 04:44 PM
The Megatron figure looks sucktacular, but I have to say I was a bit impressed that the bio used the info from the old GIJoe and Transformers: Generation 2 comics that are (as far as I know) the only explanation ever given (in-universe) for why he changed from a gun to a tank.

Tycho
08-08-2006, 05:01 PM
The Megatron figure looks sucktacular, but I have to say I was a bit impressed that the bio used the info from the old GIJoe and Transformers: Generation 2 comics that are (as far as I know) the only explanation ever given (in-universe) for why he changed from a gun to a tank.

Could you enlighten us Chuxter? Why did Megatron go from a gun to a tank (I know Hasbro's real reason), but please tell us the fictional one.

Dominic Guglieme
08-08-2006, 06:35 PM
Point of information:

Titanium Megatron's bio note seems to reference the Dreamwave cross-over more than anything else. Note the line about Megatron allowing Cobra Commander to use his troops. The Generation 2 story did not have any other Decepticons meet Cobra.


As for the reason:
Cobra inadvertently attracted Megatron's attention, and after a brief scuffle, they decided to work together. Megatron was in poor repair, and part of the deal was that Cobra would retrofit him

All told, that arc is one of the many examples of why I say Larry Hama is an over-rated writer. The main Generation 2 comic is worth picking up though.

El Chuxter
08-08-2006, 07:55 PM
All told, that arc is one of the many examples of why I say Larry Hama is an over-rated writer.

Wha? :eek: Them's fighting words! (Seriously, it wasn't Mr Hama's fault that he had no interest whatsoever in Transformers, and Marvel & Hasbro sort of forced him to work in Megatron and come up with a reason that he was no longer a gun.)

Dominic Guglieme
08-09-2006, 11:40 AM
I will post thoughts on Hama in the reading section.

figrin bran
08-10-2006, 12:46 AM
i know the 3" titaniums get quite a bad rap on this thread but i opened up the 3" War Within Optimus Prime tonight and i have to say that it's pretty nice. one of the greatest criticisms i've heard about this line is the shoddy paint jobs. this one is painted quite nicely and even has a bit of weathering within the crevices which i think is a nice touch.

the hands, however, are way too large, especially since they chose to make this figure in a crouching pose. in terms of articulation, there are six points - waist, head, shoulders, wrists.

crouching pose and super large hands notwithstanding, this is probably the best of the TF 3" figures (i count the ark as a vehicle and not a figure).

JediTricks
08-10-2006, 07:25 PM
I got dlx Unicron the other day, I'll be reviewing him sooner or later, he's pretty cool but I can guarantee some folks won't like him either 'cause he's Unicron as a tank or 'cause he's kinda floppy.

Unicron btw came with the Giant Planet map, so I'm done with them.

JediTricks
08-14-2006, 01:52 PM
Found this off tformers, Classics Optimus 2 (the 2pack version, most likely):
http://www.tfans.com/talk/index.php?showtopic=51709

Hasbro tore Prime a new one this time, looks like they gouged his face along with the yellow.

It's simplistic, but gets the job done I suppose. The front wheels end up as 100% pure USDA-grade back-kibble. It appears the whole upper torso rotates, a joint they've never done before that I know of, it looks good, but I suspect it's for transformation rather than articulation for its own sake. I hope the legs telescope in for alt mode though, they're not here and it doesn't look as good. The blue lightpiping on his eyes looks weird.

Tycho
08-14-2006, 03:57 PM
Junk. And I don't like how you can see his blue head sitting in his red cab - nor the yellow on his face.

This picture demonstrates why the 20 anniv. MPE Prime rules.

JediTricks
08-14-2006, 05:03 PM
I don't see his head in the cab, do you mean from the outside? If we could see his head in the cab, all we'd see is the bottom of his chin as he's facing downwards.

The yellow on his face is Hasbro marring the pre-production sample so it won't get sold on ebay, the Tank Megatron had the same thing.

Adam
08-14-2006, 08:50 PM
That is far from junk. Comparing it with the MP is silly. A better comparison would be with the original Diaclone Prime.

Now the tank from this two-pack looks like it could be junk, but I still haven't seen a decent picture of it.

Chaddymac
08-15-2006, 12:02 AM
Found this off tformers, Classics Optimus 2 (the 2pack version, most likely):
http://www.tfans.com/talk/index.php?showtopic=51709

Hasbro tore Prime a new one this time, looks like they gouged his face along with the yellow.

It's simplistic, but gets the job done I suppose. The front wheels end up as 100% pure USDA-grade back-kibble. It appears the whole upper torso rotates, a joint they've never done before that I know of, it looks good, but I suspect it's for transformation rather than articulation for its own sake. I hope the legs telescope in for alt mode though, they're not here and it doesn't look as good. The blue lightpiping on his eyes looks weird.
The RM Optimus had a twisty waiste, too. In fact, this is VERY similar to the RobotMasters Optimus.

JediTricks
08-15-2006, 03:00 PM
That is far from junk. Comparing it with the MP is silly. A better comparison would be with the original Diaclone Prime.

Now the tank from this two-pack looks like it could be junk, but I still haven't seen a decent picture of it.I agree on both parts, how weird is that? :D

I would say it's even safer to compare this Prime to Japan's Robotmasters' Prime, they seem to share the same concepts for transformation.



The RM Optimus had a twisty waiste, too. In fact, this is VERY similar to the RobotMasters Optimus.That's a good point, it reminds me of Energon Starscream being heavily based on G2 Smokescreen (from the Dreadwing/Smokescreen 2pack), where they went and based another figure on the original's general design, right down to the transformation scheme.

JediTricks
08-17-2006, 04:54 PM
http://www.tfans.com/talk/index.php?showtopic=51829

Classics Minicons (see posts 1 and 5). Hasbro is being smart here, basics have sold the best for them since RID, so the Classics line not having any basics would have been a major mistake. The alt modes all look very very cool, some of the bots look a little weird but Minicons can often get away with stuff larger TFs can't. I'm always down for new Minicons.

Adam
08-17-2006, 10:13 PM
Yay For Nini's!

El Chuxter
08-17-2006, 10:54 PM
Yay For Nini's!

That sounds obscene.

kool-aid killer
08-18-2006, 12:07 PM
I like those dino minis, i'll be sure to pick them up. The other three arent as appealing to me, so i can probably say i wont grab them.

JediTricks
08-18-2006, 02:13 PM
More CLASSICS Minicons...

Hasbro's official news release on the first 3 Minicon sets:
http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/default.cfm?page=News/Item&newsID=1D711A0D-D56F-E112-42B2271D418DAF2A

Looks like the factioning of Minicons is kicking into high gear.


And pics of a few loose Minicons, including 3 new ones:
http://www.tfans.com/talk/index.php?showtopic=51838

That dragon one looks a little too weird in bot mode.

The F-14 one looks pretty nifty, it's funny to see a bot so blocky come out of a thin, streamlined jet.

The motorcycle one may be one of my favorite motorcycle-to-bots ever, he looks really cool, definitely one I'd like to see upsized to basic or deluxe.

El Chuxter
08-18-2006, 02:20 PM
Okay, I'm officially hooked on the Titaniums now. This morning, I picked up Unicron, War Within Prime, Beast Wars Megatron, Sideswipe, Jazz, and Starscream. I still need the larger Generation 2 Megatron and War Within Prime, as well as the Ark (I've seen it, but the store didn't have it today). I've also seen some latter-day EU Megatron, but I don't care about that one.

The Hasbro website lists all of these, as well as plain-jane Optimus Prime and Optimus Primal. Are these two out yet? Shortpacks? What's the deal?

JediTricks
08-18-2006, 05:48 PM
That Megatron is from the Cybertron line.

Optimus Primal is indeed out, I've seen him. I am not sure of the G1 Prime though, he's in Wave 4 with G1 Bumblebee and Alternators Smokescreen which I don't think is out yet.

Here's what's out for sure, waves 1-3:
War Within Optimus Prime, Unicron, Beast Wars Megatron, Alternators Sideswipe, Jazz (Alternators), Starscream, Cybertron Megatron, Optimus Primal (Beast Wars), and the Autobot "Ark" Shuttle vehicle.

Adam
08-18-2006, 07:26 PM
Chux, don't get the big Megatron. Worst toy ever.

In other news, BBTS preorders for Wave 1 of classics now oddly states they are coming out next month. And the voyager 2 wave with Jetfire is supposed to arrive in October. I know that BBTS preorder dates aren't always accurate, but they previously DID say November.

El Chuxter
08-18-2006, 08:31 PM
Hey! K-Mart is the same price as Wal-Mart and Target on the Titaniums! That has to be a first. Funny enough, the only two they had were Optimus Primal and The Ark, so I'm set on the little guys.

I didn't even notice Sideswipe and Jazz were Alternators rather than G1 versions. Not a biggie. They look hella cool either way. :cool:

I'm passing on Cybertron Megatron. Beast Wars stuff I'll get, as long as they're released rather sparingly. At least they attempted to connect them to G1.

Here's a dumb question: Why did the Transformers change from Autobots and Decepticons to Maximals and Predacons? Was that ever explained in Beast Wars (which I'm not especially familiar with)? I know the frame narrative of the Dreamwave More Than Meets the Eye series explains that a Predacon criminal manages to gain access to Cybertron's central database (The Underbase? Primus? The memory banks of The Last Autobot?) and takes the name Megatron to try to establish a connection with the great Decepticon leader. But why does Optimus Primal have a basic design and name so similar to Optimus Prime? And where did the organic stuff come in? Did some sort of Pretender experiment go awry at some point?

And all the stuff about Primal "bringing back the organic element to Cybertron"--was the supposedly barren planetoid that Primus trapped himself in eons ago actually an inhabited world? (And would this explain that weird plot thread from the post-Unicron issues of the Marvel comic where nasty-looking robots emerge from the depths of the planet following the deaths of Primus and Unicron and start eating Transformers, all the while claiming "Oursss before yourssss thissss world"?)

Yeah, I'm mixing my continuities here. Deal with it. :p

Adam
08-18-2006, 09:26 PM
I'm not familiar with Beasties (HAHA CANADA!) really. Only thing I really know is that the Maximals and the Predacons were decendents of the Autobots and Decepticons. Not sure why they changed names. I need to get those DVD sets, I always hear good things about the Beast toons.

I passed on the mini Cybertron Megs as well, they forgot some paint apps there. That blank spot where his faction symbol should be really kills it.

Tycho
08-18-2006, 09:37 PM
I like where El Chuxter is going with his theory.

Machine life could not have just begun. It must have been created by an organic at some point: perhaps Primus was an organic that transferred himself into a robotic planetoid and then decided to reproduce other machine life so he wouldn't be alone in the universe?

The mechanicals could surely evolve.

I see only 2 ways they could die:

1) their programs could be destroyed
2) if they have any organic components (like General Grievous did), those are destroyed.

If not for that: kill them, then reintegrate the CPU into another machine, identical or otherwise, and they are the same personality - thus Ironhide could come back as an airplane or a submarine with as much chance as a red mini-van or a black pickup - unless he really, really likes red mini-vans and black pickups.

Anyway, this theory leaves open the question of whether Spike, if he wanted to be "immortal," could have Ratchet or someone even more skilled, turn him into an Autobot?

Personally, I like my human life a bit and there's things I might not be able to enjoy as an Autobot (fitting through a normal doorway being the least of life's simplest pleasures). So if technology exists to make one immortal as a Transformer, could you just as soon be immortal as a human being and transfer your brain into a human clone of yourself, Brad Pitt, or Harrison Ford or something?

I suppose the technology to make organically based Transformers would have to be lost, or else this would be an issue.

The Decepticons and Autobots DID try to reproduce themselves to grow their own armies:

The Combaticons were organically based I believe. Didn't Starscream infuse each of them with "sparks" from a disembodied prisoner holding facility?

The Dinobots were Wheeljack's handiwork and I don't believe they had any organic or "spark" inspiration but were total prototypes - perhaps explaining why they were also so stupid (as the real dinosaurs were presumed to be).

Adam
08-18-2006, 09:44 PM
Anyway, this theory leaves open the question of whether Spike, if he wanted to be "immortal," could have Ratchet or someone even more skilled, turn him into an Autobot?


They already did that in G1. Spike got injured and so they used 1980's logic to transfer his mind into a robot made of spare autobot parts. ( Sparkplug made it so they could transfer Autobot's to it while Ratchet was fixin' um. ) Autobot-Spike they called him, and he went nutzo after watching Frankenstein on TV and joined the Decepticons for a short while. Of course by episode's end he was back in his own body after the surgeon's got through with it.

Adam
08-18-2006, 10:34 PM
The much belated Cybertron Quickmix and Stripmine review is here!

Quickmix is a homage to the G1 character of the same name. The vehicle mode is a cement mixer, and is the most realistic of the 3 Giant Planet bots. His color scheme also takes after his G1 counterpart, orange mostly, but with with some yellow and black on the body, and grey and white on the mixer. When the top control seat, which is the robots right elbow, is detached the mixer can rotate. The only drawbacks here are the visible head at the back and left arm that is on the right side. The minicon Stripmine looks like a radar type vehicle with a long cannon. Two notes: this minicon has a minicon port, a trait that only Deepdive from the recent Giant Planet minicon set shares. Also, this is the only mincon that I am aware of that that can't be plugged into a minicon port when in vehicle mode; the legs prevent the clearance needed and most be swiveled like in robot mode for it to work. When in robot mode, Stripmine can stand at the mixers controls, secured buy pegs that can be swiveled out that plug into the side of his arms. They key gimmick on QM can be activated in vehicle mode, which splits the mixer revealing the Mixing Cannon inside. The result is a neat turret that Stripmine can man, but its rotation is hindered by the left shoulder. Transformation to bot mode, detach the mixer from the cab, seperate the cab, flip the feet and turn them, turn the two cab sections on the legs. Detach the rear wheels from the back flipping them around, flip the shoulders, flip the chest done, turn the head around, and done. Quick gimmick note: the shoulders and legs are connected so that when the legs are spread out during transformation, the shoulders will move down making him a little bit taller. In the show, he is actually shown both ways, during regular animation he has his shoulders raised up, but in stock footage they are lowered. I don't really prefer one look over the other honestly. Anyway, the key gimmick remains the same in this mode, except the minicon can't man it. Well I guess he could, but he'd be upside down. :D The left arm has a detachable cannon with a minicon port on it. You can flip it around in robot mode so that the long end his facing outward but it's not really long enough make it worthwhile. If you are into minicons, stripmine makes an ok target master pluggeg into this port. There are three other ports: two on the chest and one on the right leg. The right arm is the mixer. I like the concept here, I don't think that all Transformers need to be 100% humanoid. Crazy crap like mixer arms or gun arms is part of what makes robots cool! The elbow joint is what hurts this figure. It is designed so that when in vehicle mode it can tilt so the mixer is centered with the cab, but it really hurts in bot mode. The elbow looks funny and prevents the arm from staightening, so you can't pose him shooting the Mixing Cannon so that it looks good. Also the orange the used is kinda dull, now that I'm used to it, it doesn't bother me. But when I first saw it, it made the figure look a little bland. Still, I'm glad I picked him up, hes a nice 'bot. Not one of my favorites, but he's deffinately up near there.

figrin bran
08-19-2006, 02:14 AM
Chux, i'm not much in the way of an expert but here's my attempt to answer some of the BW questions. Optimus Primal assumed that name as a tribute to Optimus Prime.

When the Maximal and Predacon ships crash landed on prehistoric earth, they found that all the raw energon reserves on the planet were overloading their systems and so they were forced to scan for secondary forms to assume as a means of survival. because it was prehistoric earth and there were no cars or airplanes, the computers aboard their respective ships scanned various animals - gorilla, rhino, cheetah, rat, t-rex, wasp, scorpion, taruntula and so forth.

i'm not familiar with the comics but that Dreamwave narrative you described seems consistent with BW continuity. back on cybertron, megatron stole a golden disk, originally launched into space aboard Voyager (as in the same Voyager that NASA sent up) and he figures out from that disk that there's a planet out there with huge energon deposits and so he and his predacon cronies steal a ship to get off cybertron and to search for this energon filled planet.

however, as the series goes on, we learn that the energon mission is just a cover up and his real goal was to find the autobot ark and destroy the deactivated G1 optimus prime and thus change the course of history. this was actually a plan hatched by G1 Megatron and transmitted to BW Megs via that golden disk from the Voyager.

El Chuxter
08-19-2006, 09:05 AM
So, in other words, somewhere along the line the Autobots changed their names to Maximals and the Decepticons to Predacons, but there was no organic element until a small handful landed on prehistoric earth.

How jealous were the Constructicons that the entire race of Decepticons chose the Predacons to be their new namesake? lol

Chaddymac
08-19-2006, 10:57 AM
I am a little bit of an expert on Beast Wars. At the end of the Cybertronian Wars, the Autobots and Decepticons reached a truce. In an effort to conserve energon, the next generation created were downsized into more efficient models. The downsized bots were called Maximals and Predacons, respectively. A few Autobots and Decepticons also made the conversion to Maximal and Predacon. Some Autobots and Decepticons still remain, but the planet itself was basically handed down to the decendants.

In other news, TF The Movie concept pics and toys anyone?
http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/showthread.php?t=108437

Lots of traffic requires lots of patience.

Tycho
08-19-2006, 11:46 AM
I'm liking very little of what I see - only the figures I'm not familiar with from G1:

Blackout looks cool.

Scorponok does likewise.

Prime looks too over-complicated.

Starscream looks wrong right down to the headsculpting.

From what I've seen of BumbleBee, I'm inclined to agree with JediTricks that Michael Bay has not made a Transformers movie. He has recreated Bionicles.

:rolleyes:

Adam
08-19-2006, 03:08 PM
Yeah, the movie stuff looks like crap.

Found and bought Galaxy Force Optimus Prime today at TRU. My triumvate is now complete! ( That being the first Prime, the Japanese TRU Clear Galaxy Convoy, and this GF Prime.) One Prime for combining with Leobreaker, one for Wing Saber and one for super-mode! MUAHAHAHAHA!

OH YEAH! Remy Rhodis is my hero, and posted this gallery of the upcoming Classics Optimus Prime (the Voyager one, not the two-pack one)

http://tfkenkon.com/collection/act419/

The man takes some good pictures.

Tycho
08-19-2006, 04:44 PM
Yeah, the movie stuff looks like crap.


I bought Alternators and the MPE Prime because I thought I might want some Transformers when the movie became a reality - and that the movie products might be crap. It looks like I was right.

Now I'm pretty sure I'll stick with MPE G1 style / Alternator style toys.

I'll need:

a black Pickup Ironhide (just change Nemesis Prime and release him with a new head!)

a yellow Camarro BumbleBee - they have the Chevy license from Tracks already.

-something Alternator-style for Ratchet, in orange, tan, or yellow.

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MPE American release for Starscream with the G1 headsculpt
MPE Megatron - perhaps as a tank(?) with the G1 headsculpt

Frenzy's movie figure might be OK
Scorponok's movie figure might be OK - if it is large enough
A movie-style MPE figure for Blackout - who knows if that chopper will be large enough?
Wheeljack / Grimlock Alternator repainted and "policed-out" for Barricade
A movie-style MPE figure for Brawl - to be big enough
An Alternator(?) for Bonecrusher - I'm not sure about the scale.

What's with half the Decepticons' names starting with "b" anyway?

In any event, Alternator Meister works for Jazz and MPE Optimus Prime rules over anything they've done (well, hopefully I'll one day see Starscream).

El Chuxter
08-19-2006, 06:31 PM
I am a little bit of an expert on Beast Wars. At the end of the Cybertronian Wars, the Autobots and Decepticons reached a truce. In an effort to conserve energon, the next generation created were downsized into more efficient models. The downsized bots were called Maximals and Predacons, respectively. A few Autobots and Decepticons also made the conversion to Maximal and Predacon. Some Autobots and Decepticons still remain, but the planet itself was basically handed down to the decendants.

So they essentially continued the process they supposedly began with the MicroMasters, eh? :)

figrin bran
08-19-2006, 08:11 PM
i can't see those pics of the movie toys because i'm not registered at that site. oh well, i'll just take tycho's word for it and start collecting bionicles instead ;)

Tycho
08-20-2006, 03:40 AM
I didn't have to register at any site to get to see the pictures. ???

darthvyn
08-20-2006, 10:33 AM
Yeah, the movie stuff looks like crap.

i concur. ewww.



OH YEAH! Remy Rhodis is my hero, and posted this gallery of the upcoming Classics Optimus Prime (the Voyager one, not the two-pack one)

http://tfkenkon.com/collection/act419/

The man takes some good pictures.

awesome... i'm going to get this one.

what's the third guy from the left here, between the two that look like G1 prime in this pic (http://tfkenkon.com/g/?mode=view&album=Collection/act419&pic=classic_optimus_prime37.jpg&dispsize=1000&start=0)? that's the "war within" prime, but from what collection? is it still available? he's pretty cool looking...

Tycho
08-20-2006, 11:08 AM
Look at all those pictures of Optimus Prime in red and blue, and next, look at Michael Bay's black semi-truck that's the wrong style. Why is he the only one that can't figure out that he's doing this wrong?

Could the money we all spend on Transformers treat Michael Bay for dyslexia?

Adam
08-20-2006, 11:38 AM
what's the third guy from the left here, between the two that look like G1 prime in this pic (http://tfkenkon.com/g/?mode=view&album=Collection/act419&pic=classic_optimus_prime37.jpg&dispsize=1000&start=0)? that's the "war within" prime, but from what collection? is it still available? he's pretty cool looking...

That is the 6 inch Titanium WWI Prime that came out about a month ago. He's ok, arms are kinfa floppy. ( NO where near as terrible as his casemate Megatron though!) http://tfkenkon.com/collection/act415/

El Chuxter
08-20-2006, 12:19 PM
That lineup missed Orion Pax (http://www.entertainmentearth.com/prodinfo.asp?number=EHOTF0034).

How lame is it that they repainted Kup and didn't even give him a new head? And he still has a TargetMaster partner? Uber-uber-lame.

And Wheelie certainly wasn't screaming for a re-release in any colors. I actually like the character of Wheelie, but the toy is possibly the worst Generation 1 Transformer ever.

Chaddymac
08-20-2006, 12:49 PM
So they essentially continued the process they supposedly began with the MicroMasters, eh? :)
Exactly, but what the Maximals and Predacons added (mostly since visiting Earth and realizing that you can't always just scan the first machine you find to belnd in with the populace) was the genetic scanners and nanomimetic shells. Essentially, they can scan a lifeform and then mimic it as well--just to add another layer of disguise to the robots we know and love.

I don't know what the hell Beast Machines was supposed to be, as far as continuity was concerned, but the idea was that the Beast Wars were prelude to Megatron being able to affect his master plan to conquer Cybertron which played a part in Primus' master plan to re-incorporate organics into Cybertron and strike a balance between organic and machine. that when Primus and Unicron brought their battle into a the physical world, Primus took an organic planet and used it to create Cybertron while Unicron used his asteroid/planet to create a physical body. After Unicron was destroyed, it was destined that Cybertron would have make amends for destroying the organic life that was once there by uniting it with the technological life. That's the best sense I can make of the back story, but it's far easier not to try and just pretend like Beast Machines never happened.

Dominic Guglieme
08-20-2006, 04:22 PM
Beast Machines was flawed, but intelligently written. Rather than having a few solid, idea-based episodes, like Generation 1 and Beast Wars, Beast Machines was an idea based series.

For continuity purposes, Beast Machines was set a but further in the future than the Pax Cybertronia, and, served as an ending point for the Beast years and Generation 1.

darthvyn
08-20-2006, 05:11 PM
That is the 6 inch Titanium WWI Prime that came out about a month ago. He's ok, arms are kinfa floppy. ( NO where near as terrible as his casemate Megatron though!) http://tfkenkon.com/collection/act415/

i might have to track that one down... i'd heard about it, but hadn't seen anything closely... looks pretty good, it would make a nice work desk item... thanks for the link!

figrin bran
08-21-2006, 01:54 AM
. That's the best sense I can make of the back story, but it's far easier not to try and just pretend like Beast Machines never happened.

i hear ya on that! optimus primal was such a weakling in that show and it's still hard to accept tankor as being rhinox.

figrin bran
08-21-2006, 03:52 PM
i found some of the new 3" titaniums this morning at target. namely, Bumblebee, Optimus Prime and Smokescreen. i bought all of them except for smokescreen.

Dominic Guglieme
08-21-2006, 04:47 PM
That Titaniums Prime is awful. I reviewed it a few pages back, and I ignored some problems just to save space.


What was wrong with Tankor as Rhinox? My problems with Beast Machines stem largely from the fact that Bob Skir used faulty science, both in context with Transformers as a franchise, and with what we know about fossilization. (As both the latter point was a majoy part of the theme and plot, it is especially irksome.)

El Chuxter
08-21-2006, 04:53 PM
i found some of the new 3" titaniums this morning at target. namely, Bumblebee, Optimus Prime and Smokescreen. i bought all of them except for smokescreen.

Thanks for the heads-up. I will have to keep my eyes peeled. (Eww, that's a nasty cliche.)

darthvyn
08-21-2006, 10:53 PM
picked up 6" titanium WW prime at the times square TRU. pretty cool lookin'. will definitely make a nice desk accessory. i see what you mean about the "floppy" arms, but most positions are not a problem. only a few trouble spots.

JediTricks
08-22-2006, 05:32 PM
I'll save my movie design comments for the Movie thread, but I will say I think they're very sucky.


In other news, BBTS preorders for Wave 1 of classics now oddly states they are coming out next month. And the voyager 2 wave with Jetfire is supposed to arrive in October. I know that BBTS preorder dates aren't always accurate, but they previously DID say November.I'm not that surprised, a Hasbro November street date often means "Holiday reset shipping" so it hits store warehouses way way early. If it were a December street date though, that generally is late December or even January (same with January and February street dates though, very odd). I just want them to get here now, I want 'em!!! :D


I like where El Chuxter is going with his theory.

Machine life could not have just begun. It must have been created by an organic at some point: perhaps Primus was an organic that transferred himself into a robotic planetoid and then decided to reproduce other machine life so he wouldn't be alone in the universe?That's presumptive, "it MUST have been organic" why? Because that's how we humans understand the nature of the universe, from our own egotistical little comprehension? We're machines too, just using different materials. As I understand it Primus and Unicron are natural Universe elements who have always been mechanicals.


I bought Alternators and the MPE Prime because I thought I might want some Transformers when the movie became a reality - and that the movie products might be crap. It looks like I was right.I did warn this would happen, and boyyyyy did it!


Now I'm pretty sure I'll stick with MPE G1 style / Alternator style toys. I'll need:
a black Pickup Ironhide (just change Nemesis Prime and release him with a new head!)
a yellow Camarro BumbleBee - they have the Chevy license from Tracks already.
-something Alternator-style for Ratchet, in orange, tan, or yellow.I don't expect any of these, I expect Alternators to be dead and buried by '07 though.


What's with half the Decepticons' names starting with "b" anyway?Well, it's from Michael Bay, he's an egotistical little jerk. :p


Look at all those pictures of Optimus Prime in red and blue, and next, look at Michael Bay's black semi-truck that's the wrong style. Why is he the only one that can't figure out that he's doing this wrong?

Could the money we all spend on Transformers treat Michael Bay for dyslexia?It's essentially his plan to "own" Transformers, he thinks by revamping the entire look of the TFs in this movie, he'll have some measure of control over the audience he wants to have come back to what he's planning to be a "family movie franchise".



That Titaniums Prime is awful. I reviewed it a few pages back, and I ignored some problems just to save space.Well, that's why I have your Titanium 6" WWi Prime now. :p I actually think he's ok, he's for sure floppy but otherwise alright, nothing to go out of one's way for the way a lot of folks are though, he's a $10-sized figure with metal so $15 is no stretch, but a penny over that is a waste.


BTW, check out Remy's photos of Titanium 6" Prime in vehicle mode, notice how the cockpit doesn't seat correctly? It's been bugging me ever since I got this figure from Dom in the mail last week, so I tapped out the pins holding the cockpit piece in place and there's this bump/line across the upper portion of the plastic arm which is holding it out of position in vehicle mode, so after making sure it wasn't a question of incorrect assembly (it doesn't work any better facing the other way) I shaved the bump/line off and put Prime back together without it, it now seats pretty much correctly - it's flush with the front of the truck but not FULLY seated so it can be pushed down and have the back raised up again, but it's much much better than before. Still, I dunno why Hasbro did this at all.

Tycho
08-22-2006, 06:12 PM
[QUOTE]That's presumptive, "it MUST have been organic" why? Because that's how we humans understand the nature of the universe, from our own egotistical little comprehension? We're machines too, just using different materials. As I understand it Primus and Unicron are natural Universe elements who have always been mechanicals.

Then they must be False-Life. Yeah. My egotistical comprehension knows no boundaries or modesty, so...



I don't expect any of these, I expect Alternators to be dead and buried by '07 though.

Well, there's still Rumble and Hasbro has not shipped enough Mirage, or repainted it (or Skids) to make their tooling profitable (by their standards). So I could see them reaching for the last pennies to be made on these.

I also wouldn't kill Alternators as it stands either - I think it was a fairly successful line except for Rollbar and Ricchochet - which pushed the envelope on repaints too far - and with very minor uninteresting characters.
Alternator versions of the movie's Ironhide and Barricade are already done - though of course the movie will make them look more like Bionicles. However, repaints / new headsculpts from Nemesis Prime (which did not see wide-release for casual buyers who aren't convention go-ers) and Wheeljack (into Barricade) would work really well. A new sculpt for BumbleBee would be all they'd have to invest money into for the Autobots. The Decepticons will be a lot more trouble - but they're supposed to be.


It's essentially his plan to "own" Transformers, he thinks by revamping the entire look of the TFs in this movie, he'll have some measure of control over the audience he wants to have come back to what he's planning to be a "family movie franchise".

Well, doesn't he need a cute talking frog character then? He should take his cues from George Lucas on how to make family movies. The Phantom Menace was such a stirring hit with die-hard fans.

Adam
08-22-2006, 08:24 PM
Wheelie is our Jar Jar.

JediTricks
08-22-2006, 09:43 PM
Well, there's still Rumble and Hasbro has not shipped enough Mirage, or repainted it (or Skids) to make their tooling profitable (by their standards). So I could see them reaching for the last pennies to be made on these.That reminds me, Rumble is not in EE's case listings yet, the last wave they have listed is wave 15, Camshaft wave (1x Camshaft, Mirage, Optimus, and Meister), and mind you that wave is out now so they should already have had another case listed, they don't so I'm wondering/fearing if the "final 2" they mentioned were Mirage and Camshaft.


I also wouldn't kill Alternators as it stands either - I think it was a fairly successful line except for Rollbar and Ricchochet - which pushed the envelope on repaints too far - and with very minor uninteresting characters.Part of the problem is that the cost of making these, the prototype development and the tooling, is now twice as expensive since Takara isn't using them, so the line's "mild interest success" probably doesn't see enough profit to cover the budgets anymore. You're right though, the line has too many repaints and uninteresting toys (I'm not calling them "characters" at this point).


Well, doesn't he need a cute talking frog character then? He should take his cues from George Lucas on how to make family movies. The Phantom Menace was such a stirring hit with die-hard fans.Michael Bay doesn't really do "cute", he prefers "edgy"... come to think of it, that may be Michael Bay's solitary good point. :p

Adam
08-22-2006, 10:37 PM
Er, Takara IS using the new molds.. Mirage = Kiss Play/BT Hot Rod.

I'm pretty sure the "last two molds" they mentioned were Rumble and the Jaguar that we haven't seen yet.

Tycho
08-23-2006, 03:06 AM
I'd love a Hot Rod in the American releases. I love Mirage's sculpt as a Ford GT, but I'm not sure I'd want another one.

I'm not sure what kind of car I'd use for Hot Rod - perhaps a Ferrari or Lamborghini since SideSwipe and Sunstreaker were already made as Dodge Vipers?

I'd like many of the "next generation" of the 1st Generation:

Hot Rod
Kup
Blurr
Springer
Arcee
Ultra Magnus
Wreckgar (if they can do a good motorcycle Transformer)

Cyclonus
Scourge
Galvatron

Meanwhile, if they have Jaguar's license, let them make a proper Ravage. Along with Rumble, I'd like Decepticons that I don't already own as molds I have for Autobots.

darthvyn
08-23-2006, 02:27 PM
That Titaniums Prime is awful. I reviewed it a few pages back, and I ignored some problems just to save space.

i gotta say, i disagree with a lot of what you said... but i only got the prime figure, not megatron. megs looks like butt.

i'd say my only problem with the prime is his hands, as you said. but he didn't break, he looks really cool in both modes, and it's prime! i'm not a "buy all primes" kinda guy by any means. i'm not even too jazzed to get the alternators prime. i've got my original childhood prime, the 20th anniversary edition, and now this one. i will be getting the "classics" version, but i'm really not a "prime loyalist" - and this guy rocks for what he is: an articulated and transforming statue. he's going on my desk at work (as soon as i have a permanent desk...)

JediTricks
08-23-2006, 03:59 PM
Er, Takara IS using the new molds.. Mirage = Kiss Play/BT Hot Rod.They barely took those on though, very last-moment saves, and the Kiss Play sets are way more limited than the BT sets, from what I've heard.


I'm pretty sure the "last two molds" they mentioned were Rumble and the Jaguar that we haven't seen yet.Rumble maybe, but that Jaguar I highly doubt at this point - we've seen absolutely nothing of it. But Hasbro hasn't sent out any wave 16 case assortment info to its retail partners, either Rumble is over 6 months away or it's not coming at all.

Chaddymac
08-23-2006, 06:18 PM
They barely took those on though, very last-moment saves, and the Kiss Play sets are way more limited than the BT sets, from what I've heard.

Rumble maybe, but that Jaguar I highly doubt at this point - we've seen absolutely nothing of it. But Hasbro hasn't sent out any wave 16 case assortment info to its retail partners, either Rumble is over 6 months away or it's not coming at all.
Maybe that's what Hasbro meant by "hiatus". They are holding case 16 for after the movie figures.

Adam
08-23-2006, 10:15 PM
Rumble maybe, but that Jaguar I highly doubt at this point - we've seen absolutely nothing of it. But Hasbro hasn't sent out any wave 16 case assortment info to its retail partners, either Rumble is over 6 months away or it's not coming at all.


Allright here's what I meant. Hasbro said that was it for this year after Nemeis Prime. The two molds that Hasbro mentioned won't be released till next year, spring from what I remember. So yeah, Rumble is 6 months away. That doesn't mean that's the only 2 figures we'll get though, as they said 2 new molds, and that doesn't count out repaints. So I could see the new case for next year being be one each of: Rumble, whatevertheJaguarwillbe, repaint of Skids, repaint of Mirage.

Classics Prime/Megs 2-pack : http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/showthread.php?t=108727

Tycho
08-23-2006, 10:51 PM
Grrrr. I'd like to see Mirage's mold stay "unique." Maybe they could repaint him as Wildrider or another Decepticon I'll probably not buy (I want JETS or original sculpts for Decepticons, although I'll take a Mustang repaint as Barricade now that I've seen some movie pics).

But let's see here:

STUNTICONS MADE:

Dead End - repaint of Sideswipe - no thanks

Decepticharge - Drag Strip??? - Well I never wanted Windcharger as it were, so I suppose I could find this on eBay or something if I ever decide to buy it.

BrakeDown - No

Wildrider - No

MotorMaster - watch them repaint Skids or something :rolleyes:

The COMBATICON Swindle was made, but they can't really make alternators out of the others because of size issues - a whole freaking space shuttle to scale? Yeah. That's going to happen. A helicopter would be best made for the one that's a movie character not Vortex.

Meanwhile, I'd love Hot Rod, but perhaps as a Ferarri or Lamborghini because I'd like Mirage's mold to be unique in my Autobot collection.

darthvyn
08-24-2006, 08:32 AM
Classics Prime/Megs 2-pack : http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/showthread.php?t=108727

hrrm... the megatron looks alright, but the prime in vehicle mode looks like butt. i'll get the single prime classics. too bad the single megatron classics looks like butt, too - but that seems like it somehow, either inadvertently or otherwise, became their strategy.

JediTricks
08-24-2006, 05:37 PM
Maybe that's what Hasbro meant by "hiatus". They are holding case 16 for after the movie figures.Could be, but that's likely a year or more away and Hasbro has been known to lose interest in things in shorter amounts of hiatus time.


Allright here's what I meant. Hasbro said that was it for this year after Nemeis Prime. The two molds that Hasbro mentioned won't be released till next year, spring from what I remember. So yeah, Rumble is 6 months away. That doesn't mean that's the only 2 figures we'll get though, as they said 2 new molds, and that doesn't count out repaints. So I could see the new case for next year being be one each of: Rumble, whatevertheJaguarwillbe, repaint of Skids, repaint of Mirage.Ok, I hope you're right, but at this point I'm expecting nothing really as Hasbro has a nasty habit of abandoning beloved but not high-selling projects.


I still think those Classics 2pack designs look unfinished and sloppy, they're "ok" but if they weren't in a 2pack they'd be unacceptable. The sloppy oversize shoulder ball joints are causing the alignment problems on Prime's cab there.

kool-aid killer
08-25-2006, 07:37 PM
I went to Walmart a little bit ago and while browsing the toy aisle i ran across a Cybertron Unicron figure. I had no idea this figure had even been made, im really out of the loop. I think he looks ok in his tank mode, but his chest area on bot mode looks poor. Im going to give him to my brother, since he didnt get the Energon Unicron.

El Chuxter
08-26-2006, 09:23 PM
Actually, JT, the only origins given for Unicron and Primus in G1 was in the Marvel comic, where they were both rather organic-looking gods. Unicron was the Chaos Bringer, who longed to destroy the universe and live in nothingness. He had, in fact, destroyed at least one universe. When fragments of the previous universe collided and caused the Big Bang which formed ours, Unicron was awakened and immediately set about destroying everything again. The universe created Primus to stop him. The two battled for eons, too closely matched for either to win, in both the normal universe and the astral plane. Finally, realizing the stalemate and the danger posed to the universe by their battle, Primus tricked Unicron and trapped the two in different barren planetoids, which were sent to opposite ends of the universe. Unicron soon learned how to transform into a mechanical version of his former self, and began to destroy things again (only much slower, because he was trapped in a physical form). Primus created two races of robotic beings that could transform (much like Unicron). To one of these races, he bestowed the Creation Matrix, which embodied most of his life force. Over time, the two races began a seemingly endless civil war, and became known as the Transformers. Only the power of the Matrix or a truly unified Autobot/Decepticon army could stop Unicron.

When Primus was awakened from his sleep during a battle, Unicron learned the hiding place of Cybertron. Optimus Prime attempted to unify the Transformers, but, for various reasons (Grimlock and several others being in unknown locations, and the inherent hatred Decepticons bore for Autobots), they were not properly unified when Unicron struck. Only Optimus Prime, restoring the goodness of the Matrix after it had been corrupted by Thunderwing and other evil beings, was able to destroy him, sacrificing his life yet again in the process.

Dominic Guglieme
08-27-2006, 01:26 PM
The cartoon gave an origin for Unicron. Essentially, Unicron was one fo the final creations of a mad scientist who built robots. Unicron was the largest, and broke free of his prison. Basically, it was the old "creation gone wrong" to the Nth degree.

El Chuxter
08-27-2006, 02:03 PM
Oh yeah. I forgot about that. :)

So a mad scientist built Unicron, and the Quintessons built the Transformers, and (according to the Transformers Universe comic, which I believe was based on backstory info from the movie), the Quintessons were essentially Unicron's advance agents. So, then, one mad scientist was responsible for the creation of the Transformers in the cartoon?

Adam
08-27-2006, 07:34 PM
I kinda just ignore the everything that took place after the movie. :P

JediTricks
08-27-2006, 10:34 PM
Welcome to conversations from a week ago. :p I understand that you're a little busy with something or other, but it's still a little hard to dial myself all the way back to before that awful movie Megatron was leaked.

Anyway, I'm not limiting myself to G1 or anything, you were mixing up your continuities, while I'm just going by the most current continiuty that Hasbro puts out. From now on, I promise I'll stick to the generalities and leave the insane, goofy-looking Marvel G1 stuff to you. ;)

Dominic Guglieme
08-29-2006, 04:56 PM
What is the problem with movie-tron? I have not seen any pics.

And, I tend to think Unicron's origin as a "device gone amok" nicely fits with what real editors and writers have done with the character.

figrin bran
08-30-2006, 01:16 AM
Dom, you can see pics of movie tron in the movie thread. and then you'll see that it's a Sauron rip off.

Chaddymac
08-30-2006, 11:54 AM
I actually really like the movie designs. Part of me wanted to see the G1 designs used, but honestly, I like this new concept better. They DO look more alien, more mechanical. I still love the G1 designs, and they may always be my favorites, but it's been 20 years and I like the fact that I'm looking at something new. I'll always have G1, and I'm even getting updated molds (with Classics and Alternators, not to mention Masterpiece) in the toy line.

And so what if Megatron is a Sauron rip off? Star Wars is a rip off of the entire LOTR series and you still love it.

figrin bran
08-31-2006, 01:39 AM
how much is michael bay paying you to write that, chaddy? :p

JediTricks
09-03-2006, 01:51 PM
MP Starscream Production pics: http://tformers.com/ig.php?mode=album&album=6457&dispsize=800&start=0

What the hell happened here??? His smirk is all sloppy, his head is long, his arms are stubby and fat, and his hip junk is carrying all the tail kibble which is utterly ludicrous. I think having the tail crap stick way off the back of the bot is the worst thing they could have done, it's anti-masterpiece - Prime had no kibble, that's part of what makes him a great piece, but this is just a big chunk of ugly.

Tycho
09-03-2006, 03:22 PM
Actually, having been looking at Michael Bay's Transformers, I really can appreciate that Starscream. I only hope we get a US release. Does anyone know anything more about this?

Chaddymac
09-04-2006, 01:27 PM
No US release planned as of Comic-Con. Hasbro is probably afraid they'll take a dive on it. And judging by the way people are slamming it, I don't blame them.

All you haters out there...for SHAME! Shame, I tell you.

In other news, looks like Mr. Potato Head is getting another brand crossover. Can you say "Optimash Prime (http://tarr.uspto.gov/servlet/tarr?regser=serial&entry=76664328)"? How about "More than Meets The Fry (http://tarr.uspto.gov/servlet/tarr?regser=serial&entry=76664330)"?

Tycho
09-04-2006, 04:42 PM
I bought the Star Wars potato heads as I thought they were cute - and I'd buy more of them including some kind of Boba Fett (Boba Tot?)

But Transformers? No. Not unless you can convert them from Potato to Hash Browns or whatever!

"The line must be drawn here! No farther!" - Captain Jean-Luc Potato

Adam
09-04-2006, 10:13 PM
I'd buy Starscream if he was painted like Starscream.

kool-aid killer
09-04-2006, 10:49 PM
Im trying to think about how those would work, im assuming a potato head would come with a blue helmet, and a "visor" to cover his mouth to form Optimus, and maybe the grill and windshield of a semi to represent the auto part. Sounds like it could be cool, or real terrible depending on what they do with it.

Dominic Guglieme
09-05-2006, 10:21 AM
Stuff like this makes me ashamed of the hobby. Whenever I see this kind of peripheral space-waster, I look at a franchise (TF, SW, whatever) and canot help but think "carrion."

This smells of the desperation of a dying property. This is not even a badly handled line, like Titaniums (which for SW at least seems okay), or Epic Force. This is just a stupid idea that would be funny as a fan kit-bash (like the SW motorcycles).


In other news, I am getting Quickmix soon........:thumbsup:

Chaddymac
09-05-2006, 02:31 PM
Stuff like this makes me ashamed of the hobby. Whenever I see this kind of peripheral space-waster, I look at a franchise (TF, SW, whatever) and canot help but think "carrion."

This smells of the desperation of a dying property. This is not even a badly handled line, like Titaniums (which for SW at least seems okay), or Epic Force. This is just a stupid idea that would be funny as a fan kit-bash (like the SW motorcycles).


In other news, I am getting Quickmix soon........:thumbsup:
I like the mr. potato head things...I couldn't wait for Darth Tater...

Tycho
09-05-2006, 03:10 PM
Are Star Wars characters done as potato heads very different things from Transformers done that way, though?

I suppose it depends how you look at them:

Optimus Prime is a heroic cartoon character that can also turn into a truck

or

Optimus Prime is a Transformer between a robot and truck, who's also a heroic cartoon character.

It works for scenerio 1, but not scenerio 2, though we're arguing semantics.

Adam
09-05-2006, 04:00 PM
Hello Jaguar Alternator.

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/showthread.php?t=109828

Tycho
09-05-2006, 04:12 PM
First, I hope this actually gets produced and shipped in the United States.

We've heard of the Alternators taking a hiatus due to movie product - which is exactly the wrong approach to use during the time of a big movie hype-up.

2nd:

Rumble
Ravage (this one)
MPE Starscream

My Decepticon ranks will finally start to bolster. Now I need acceptable:

Megatron
Soundwave
Barricade (repaint Alternator Wheeljack, duh!)
Frenzy (movie version)
Brawl
Blackout
Scorponok, I guess
Bonecrusher (movie version)

And Alternator Autobots

Ironhide (Nemesis Prime head resculpt)
Ratchet (movie version)
Bumblebee (Camarro)

And that will do me until Transformers 2: Michael Bay Strikes Out Again

Dominic Guglieme
09-05-2006, 05:12 PM
Just to clarify, I do not like any of the potato variants. They all smell like carrion. R2 Potatooooooooooo makes me feel dirty for liking StarWars, just as Spudimus Prime will make me feel dirty for liking Transformers.

And, I really hope Tycho is wroing about the movie. I really do.

Tycho
09-05-2006, 07:40 PM
I myself hope I am wrong about the movie, too!

I want it to rock! I've wanted this ever since I was a kid and I don't want it screwed up.

Here's to hoping!

JediTricks
09-05-2006, 09:53 PM
You're wrong about these Mr Potatohead sorts of things Dom, they're meant to cash in on impending increases in brand recognition from a major event in the franchise (in both cases a movie release), then using the new customer interest to draw them into the main line.


So there's Alt Jaguar, guess I was wrong about that. He looks like he turns into an actual cat-bot though, not like the current Ravage Alternator, it's something they haven't tried yet and I don't know if it'll work, it looks like there's gonna be a ton of leftover kibble from what we're seeing, lots of shell parts.


Chaddy, don't blame us for Takara's design having the entire tail section kibble hanging off the hips, or the long weird face, or the halfbreed colors. :p

Tycho
09-05-2006, 10:04 PM
That's my concern with Ravage also: the there will be a lot of car shell parts left over when slimming that thing down to a cat.

It is however, exactly what I once posted I wanted: an actual Jaguar car Ravage.

But having given it a lot of thought, maybe the first Alternator motorcycle could have been more size appropriate for Ravage, but....

We can hope that the car shell parts fold up as well. I'd accept the "seems" in the car mode that this would necessitate, but we're also going to have to accept them in the movie toys if they are going to even resemble 50% of what we see for robot modes on screen if those images are accurate.

I don't know. We'll have to wait and see how this turns out. I'm dying to see pictures of the "leopard mode." If they can pull it off, I think it's a great idea!

I've seen a lot of people dissing it, as they don't want Alternator "beast machines," but go figure how they're going to do Scorponok. I think it's sort of cool. In fact, though it wouldn't have been traditional, I always thought that would be the way to do Grimlock for an Alternator. But...

Anyway, over in MySpace Transformer group they are already talking about a Ravage repaint as Steeljaw. That could work as well, though I don't know if I'd be interested.

El Chuxter
09-05-2006, 10:48 PM
Steeljaw was significantly different from Ravage. Not that that's stopped them before. I think Pounce might be a possibility, if they don't want to "re-use" Ravage for this one.

Chaddymac
09-06-2006, 01:09 AM
You're wrong about these Mr Potatohead sorts of things Dom, they're meant to cash in on impending increases in brand recognition from a major event in the franchise (in both cases a movie release), then using the new customer interest to draw them into the main line.


So there's Alt Jaguar, guess I was wrong about that. He looks like he turns into an actual cat-bot though, not like the current Ravage Alternator, it's something they haven't tried yet and I don't know if it'll work, it looks like there's gonna be a ton of leftover kibble from what we're seeing, lots of shell parts.


Chaddy, don't blame us for Takara's design having the entire tail section kibble hanging off the hips, or the long weird face, or the halfbreed colors. :p
Dude, I didn't say I didn't like Screamer. If anything, I'm the easy one to please. I like the movie bots, the Alts, the MPs, the Classics...the only line I have universally despised was Armada.

Dominic Guglieme
09-06-2006, 05:30 PM
What was wrong with Armada?

Oh, here are some comic reviews?


Transformers/GI Joe #5
This is a hasty wrap-up, almost seeming to be an attempt to drag out another issue from the series. Nothing is thematically contrary, but the ending is flat compared to the potential of the series. And, there is (not at all promising) set-up for what looks to be a 4th volume.
Grade: C Not bad, but a good deal of potential is wasted.
Hearts of Steel #3
This issue is a bit too decompressed, but hardly as bloated as many other comics. The promised trip to NY is justified, albeit flimsily. Provided the last issue is as well written as the first two, this 3rd issue will not poison the series, but it will not help it in any case.
Grade? B/C


Dom
-still waiting for Quickmix dammit.......

JediTricks
09-07-2006, 09:32 PM
Dude, I didn't say I didn't like Screamer. If anything, I'm the easy one to please. I like the movie bots, the Alts, the MPs, the Classics...the only line I have universally despised was Armada.I was responding to the claim that those who aren't in love with MP Screamer are "haters". :p I know you like him, I was more or less explaining why I'm not entirely digging it.

I can understand why folks don't dig Armada, tho' I personally think it's not entirely fair to lump the later Armada releases in with the earlier weak entries like Hot Shot and Cyclonus. Dom and I have already had disagreements in this department, he likes Cyclonus for example.

El Chuxter
09-08-2006, 05:05 AM
Armada had a nice comic book, and the cross-universe assassins were a great idea (though, let's be real, no one could ever take down the combined might of G1 Galvatron and Bludgeon).

Chaddymac
09-08-2006, 02:04 PM
I was responding to the claim that those who aren't in love with MP Screamer are "haters". :p I know you like him, I was more or less explaining why I'm not entirely digging it.

I can understand why folks don't dig Armada, tho' I personally think it's not entirely fair to lump the later Armada releases in with the earlier weak entries like Hot Shot and Cyclonus. Dom and I have already had disagreements in this department, he likes Cyclonus for example.
What figures came at the end of Armada? Unicron is the only one I wouldn't gladly completely forget about.

Tycho
09-08-2006, 02:16 PM
"Craptobots wage their battle to defeat any quality control for the Junkticons."

Hasbro: Even less than meets the eye!

JediTricks
09-08-2006, 04:27 PM
What figures came at the end of Armada? Unicron is the only one I wouldn't gladly completely forget about.First off, I like nearly all the Minicons, but we'll set that aside.

Good sets:
Demolishor (dlx, wave 1)
Optimus Dlx (dlx, wave 3)
Thrust (dlx, wave 4)
Wheeljack (dlx, wave 5)
Hoist (dlx, wave 5)
Starscream (mega, wave 1)
Megatron/Galvatron (ultra, wave 1 & 2)
Jetfire (ultra, wave 2)
Tidal Wave (ultra, wave 3)
Optimus Prime (super)
Unicron (supreme)

Granted, it's not the greatest entries in TF history for the most part, but there was some decent stuff.

Chaddymac
09-08-2006, 07:34 PM
First off, I like nearly all the Minicons, but we'll set that aside.

Good sets:
Demolishor (dlx, wave 1)
Optimus Dlx (dlx, wave 3)
Thrust (dlx, wave 4)
Wheeljack (dlx, wave 5)
Hoist (dlx, wave 5)
Starscream (mega, wave 1)
Megatron/Galvatron (ultra, wave 1 & 2)
Jetfire (ultra, wave 2)
Tidal Wave (ultra, wave 3)
Optimus Prime (super)
Unicron (supreme)

Granted, it's not the greatest entries in TF history for the most part, but there was some decent stuff.
Wheeljack was okay, deluxe optimus was okay, Tidal Wave is pretty cool (although I liked the Energon colors better), demolisher has his charm, and jetfire isn't without merit, but the rest disappointed me.

You're right, though. Minicons kick ***. Mini-Cons and Unicron made the line worthwhile.

But when I tell you that RID and Alternators are two lines that still bring me joy, you can understand how Armada can be so underwhelming to me. But Energon and Cybertron have been better suited for me. Loved the Energon Combiners and Cybertron's just a general winner between the collector side of me and the kid inside of me.

JediTricks
09-09-2006, 03:57 PM
Oh, Armada is definitely underwhelming, I felt totally betrayed when we first saw the Hot Shot and Cyclonus designs, I just felt that Armada wasn't *all* bad - my list of Energon and Cybertron "goods" are way bigger.

Check out Ben Yee's photo gallery and review of the Matrix statue, it lights up!
http://www.bwtf.com/asylum/matrix/

Adam
09-10-2006, 03:19 AM
I wish we had gotten that original Hot Shot proto from waaaay back. That thing was hot. ( Aside from the fact that Aaron Archer told us it couldn't even stand up :P )

JediTricks
09-10-2006, 04:02 PM
The one with real shoulders and a different panel-folding config? It would have been better, no question, but it still suffered from kiddified sculpting so I don't think it would have been the hotness. :p

Supposedly the wave 2 Titanium Series 6" TFs have been found, Jetfire and Thundercracker.

El Chuxter
09-11-2006, 02:16 PM
For anyone interested, it looks like Titan Books is in the process of reprinting the entire Marvel-continuity series, including the UK books!

http://forums.sirstevesguide.com/showthread.php?t=32723

matthewilw
09-12-2006, 09:27 PM
Supposedly the wave 2 Titanium Series 6" TFs have been found, Jetfire and Thundercracker.

'Tis true. They're showing up all over south/central Texas. So far I've seen thundercracker 3 different places, but Jetfire is always long gone.

Dominic Guglieme
09-13-2006, 05:38 PM
Interesting to hear that Titan is still reprinting. Of course, most of what they are likely to produce will be medicre. Still, if this stuff is easy to find, I will pick it up.

Thouhts on the Armada comic:
Bludgeon has died in every appearance. IN the last UK G1 story, he was dismantled by creative misuse of medical equipment. In Generation 2, Megatron dismemebered and disemboweled him.

Glavatron's track record ain't much better to be honest.

The first two-arcs of Armada were the best though, relying less on fan-appeal and more on actual narrative.



Oh, here are some toy reviews.


Legends GF Prime:
This is a recolor of the Wave 1 Legends Prime. Normally, I avoid same color recolors, especially with a secondary line like this. But, in this case, the toy is worth getting on its own merits. In addition to some excellent engineering (for its size mind you), the paint work on this think is superior to toys that are much larger. While not something to hunt extensively for, it is worth keeping an eye out for if one is out on a toy-hunt anyway, or if grocery shopping (as the Legends line can be found in some grocery stores).
Grade: A Why not?
Energon Signal Flare:
Meh. Not a bad vehicle mode. Not a bad bot mode. Neither is terrible, and neiter excels at much of anything. This is an older toy that I grabbed on a lark from Robozone, as I had a larger order pending anyway. And, the engineering is a bit off, at least on my copy. The body seperates a bit too easily at the central ball-joint (used only while transforming, and adding nothing to to toy's articulation), and the vehicle mode is bit troublesome to peg together. It is not as bad as most Alternators, but it is annoying enough to note here.
Grade: B/C Grab as filler, but not worth hunting for.
Cybetron Quickmix:
The last of Gigalonians is mine! (Unlesss, of course, one counts Galvatron, but who's counting eh?) Anyway, Quickmix is objectively a mixed bag. My initial reaction to this toy was a bit harsher (Monday evening), as I was really hoping for a bit more. But, all told, I do not regret acquiring the toy, so much as I regret the lost opportnities with it. While it lacks the QC issues of Menasor, it also lacks the alien aesthetic of Menasor and Metroplex. (The only QC issue I have is some paint-waer on the mixing-drum.) Quickmix's vehicle mode is just a basic cement truck. If not for the Minicon, this toy could credibly pass as a late-run Earth-line vehicle that was repacked at the last moment. The transform involves some very interesting shifting and pegging, and the robot mode conveys the impression of a large robot, but not quite the scale of what the Gigalonians were supposed to be. The Minicon has a few nice engineering touches (especially int he shoulder transform, but is defintely not meant to stand on its own merits.
Grade: B/C Worth getting, but should have been a much better toy.


Dom
-planning to do a "review of the line" for Cybertron soon.

JediTricks
09-13-2006, 09:33 PM
What were the issues you had monday? Based on your comments in email I ended up easily passing up a Quickmix I saw yesterday, I don't regret passing it even though your opinion cheered up some.

El Chuxter
09-13-2006, 10:02 PM
Bludgeon can never die. He is a skeleton and therefore already dead. :)

El Chuxter
09-15-2006, 09:32 PM
Me again. . . I saw the 6" Titanium Jetfire and Thundercracker at Target today. Man, it's just sad how bad these larger-scale figures are.

JediTricks
09-16-2006, 03:22 PM
Ben Yee has reviews of Classics Bumblebee, Rodimus, and Optimus with lots of photos: http://www.bwtf.com/classics/

I think I like Rodimus now more than ever, and I liked him before. I really like how his alt mode looks, and the jet engine in the back looks so cool. I cannot wait to get these classics!


I finally found another Titanium 6" Megatron to replace my defective one with, so now I have one that forms correctly. This new one's arms hold upright unlike the last one, the joints are all around tighter. The alt mode is even smaller than I expected, not really sure why I expected bigger but it seems almost chibi. Still problematic: can't stand that well, poorly articulated, easy to accidentally pull pieces off, cannon doesn't lay flat against Megs' arms. I still like it though.


I saw Primus w/ Unicron head last night, the head looks better than I thought but I didn't have $50 so I didn't have to worry about it. ;)

Tycho
09-16-2006, 10:59 PM
Those Classic Transformers are sure tempting to me (the Autobots anyway - man all of 'em look good!)

JediTricks
09-17-2006, 03:10 AM
Ben posted a review of Classics Astrotrain:
http://www.bwtf.com/classics/astrotrain/

To be honest, I think this is where Ben's enthusiasm and generous reviews hurts the most, figures that just don't look that great getting fairly positive marks and few mentions of the negative aspects (he doesn't even comment on how bad the train mode looks). Still, at $10 I can't see why I'd bother not getting this, maybe add some black paint wash... and never ever transform it into train mode. :p


So at Target tonight, I found me Titanium Series 6" Jetfire and Thundercracker! I don't understand why the bad vibes aimed at these 2, I think they're pretty good, if they were $10 Cybertron deluxes I'd be happy yet they wouldn't be metal and their paint wouldn't be this nice.

I'm not quite ready for full comments, but some points:
- They're about a head shorter than the previous set.
- The paint is pretty good on both, Thundercracker's matte coloring looks nice, but their lower leg halves don't match the other sides on both figs, very odd.
- Who is the sadist that designed the twistie tie configurations on these? I gave up and annihilated Thundercracker's tray.
- Neither figure has parts that fall off or come off easily, Jetfire has a piece that is meant to come off though and it barely clears the right shoulder (in fact, all the pics out there are wrong, the backpack only snaps in totally and the right shoulder clears when the engines are pointed forward 1 click).
- The articulation is pretty decent, they even have ratchets in several places and articulated wrists; neither is wobbly, although there's a little play in Jetfire's legs.
- Both use a good amount of die cast metal, Jetfire has a little more than Thundercracker.

Jetfire:
- Jetfire's ball-jointed knees can't bend beyond a few degrees, but his elbows and wrists have good motion.
- Jetfire has twin guns that can tab together to make 1 double-gun.
- His feet are very cool with a separate thruster nozzle in the middle, and fold up for transformation.
- His forearm kibble is derived from a couple different War Within appearances.
- The play in the hips and the hollowness of the feet lead to a little trouble standing him at first, but once you get the idea of which joints are causing that, it's easy to compensate and he stands fine, even in some poses.
- The transformation has a few nifty bits for a deluxe-sized TF.
- Hiding the left hand under the stabilizer panel is a good idea, but getting it out is a tough job because of limited play in the stabilizer panel.
- Jet mode is better than I expected, the legs are too obvious but they make more sense from the front or back, it's not blocky from the front or back.
- Jet mode's rear landing gear is one of the coolest little reveals I've ever seen, the panel with the small winglet at the bottom of the leg-engines hinges up and at the bottom are the wheels.

Thundercracker:
- Although riffing off Cybertron Starscream's design (which itself was based on the War Within tetrajet design), Thundercracker is his own man as it were.
- The packaging has his shoulders mistransformed up in the air (basically halfway to vehicle mode) and they don't articulation this way, they fold down and then work fine.
- Bot mode is pretty tough looking, wide but not squat.
- Thundercracker's head and hands are very rubbery, but this doesn't affect anything (the hands are closed fists, no holes).
- I really like his blue coloring, it's a medium blue that plays well with the silver, red, and strong yellow; TC has a big 'Con logo on his upper chest.
- TC has shoulder rotation and hinged elbows, the shoulders are totally free and the elbows can hinge up 2 clicks to 90 degrees (although his forearms barely pass his shoulders this way).
- TC is a solid stander thanks to strong joints and wide feet, he can take some pretty good poses.
- The panels in front of the shoulders could have had a little more detail, and the diagonal paint thing is weird.
- TC's face is a little more mature, there's some tech for his cheeks that makes him look a little bulkier.
- Transformation isn't as complex as Jetfire, but doesn't totally ape Cybertron Starscream either.
- Rear landing wheels aren't hidden, but are kept nearly out of sight.
- The jet looks great from every angle but the back, where the hands don't do much to hide themselves, and under the tail area is a big open where you can see the head.
- The shape is good, the lines are clean and there's some good detailing.

With TS6" Optimus & Megs, although I kinda like them, they're more of a curiosity, if the line had stayed that quality it would have not been worth paying attention to, but luckily the quality came back to something acceptable and now we've got ourselves a ballgame, I look forward to more cool, unusual designs... heck, I even like the look of the packaging. The next TS6"ers I'll be interested in are Soundwave and Rodimus Prime, Optimal Optimus Primal, RiD Super Optimus Prime, Scourge, and even Starscream just don't do it for me (Screamer's paint is too much white, and Thundercracker's bulked face doesn't quite work as Starscream).

Dominic Guglieme
09-17-2006, 03:08 PM
Thundercracker should not completely ape Cybertron Starscream, as the Starscreams from that line did not follows the War Within designs, while Thundercracker is intended to do just that.


That being said, here are my thoughts on Cybertron as a line.





As Cybertron is just about over save for a few recolors and some re-packs (actually pre-packs of the Classics Minicons with the upcoming Wal*Mart Primus), this is probably the best time to look back on the line. For me, this is an ending of sorts, as I plan to skip Classics, and most of the next year's product.
That being said, I will be seperationg the toys by key, not so much by package. In the case of toys without keys, guess work becomes a factor.

Universal:
This is the easiest sub-line to examine, as it consistest of 3 toys, all cast from two molds, Vector Prime, and the Recon Minicons, as well as the recolors of both. The aesthetic is supposed to be one of time and space. Vector Prime does a good job of this, in terms of the molding if not paint. The downside is that the key is unpainted, despite having the most elaborate molding of any key. The Minicons lack a consistent and unifying gimmick and aesthetic, (these being the only set of gang-molded Minicons without said factors). These are not bad molds, but nothing really brings them into any particular banner. Still, I cannot think of a sinble toy in this category to avoid, as all of them have some merits. Over-all, the one thing I would change about this category would be to bulk it out a bit, possibly with recolors from every other planet category. For example, a recolor of Ransack as a new character, with a Universal key, a recolor of Wreckloose, maybe a Swindle recolor, a Menasor recolor, and maybe a CD Scattorshot recolor.
Cybertron:
This is the the title banner of the line, and unless I miss my guess, the most expensive sub-line to complete. Ideally, the aesthetic here should have been "futurist", but instead it just delivered a good number of tricked out a Earth-type forms. The most obvious thing to change here is the execution of the aesthetic. Rather than variants of Earth vehicles, perhaps it would gave been better to produce more sci-fi forms evocative of War Withing designs, or even old UK comic background characters. The best toys for this set are Primus (obviously), and the Voyager scale Starscream. The worst could be any of the Defense team, or the Wave 3 Minicons. Oddly, Cybertron is also the only planet with molded key variants, rather than the color variants the other planest got.
X-Planet:
Regardless of whether or not one considers X to be Unicron, this category had a consistent aesthetic. In this cast it is "fast 'n sneaky", and it is nicely delivered. In fact, even the late addition, US exclusive mold, Unicron as a tank, fits. While all of the bot modes seem rather mishappen, but they look unified. The biggest aesthetic change to make is that the toys (especially Soundwave) could have benefited from looking more alien. But, the biggest change to make is more contextual than aesthetic, as the whole Unicron thing has only gotten more tedious these last 5 years. The best toy is probably Sidways, and the worst being Soundwave, a toy most people should avoid.

Earth:
This is the "standard" TF category. Lots of Earth vehicles produced and sold at insonsistent scales. Fans of G1 likely had much to enjoy here. While the aesthetic was redundant and a bit boring, this line had the highest number (both in relative and absolute terms) of well executed designs. Even if the aesthetic does not appeal, the engineering alone could carry this group. And, the engineering changed from toy to toy, with there being little redundancy in engineering. While it would have been nice to get more non-vehicular machinery (such as the infamous traffic light character from the cartoon), this category is generally the most reliable. The best toy is Evac, or maybe Redalert. The worst is probably Cannonball, as the mold does not match the paint, nor the context. All told though, I could probably find something to praise about most any toy in this category.
Velocitron:
This category more or less fails on the same points that Cybertron fails on, namely most of the characters pretty well look like tricked out Earth vehicles. But, the unfying theme of speed is consistently presented. Every toy for this category looks fast, and based on my fiddlin', most of them roll pretty fast across a kitchen floor. The clear wheels on most of the toys are nice unifying touch. The main things Hasbro should have done different are delivering more alien looking vehicles, and sticking with basic colors, if only to be evocative of an old racing game. I am curious to see if sales of toys from this category vary by region. For example, were thee toys more popular in areas where NasCar is popular? The best toy from this line is probably Crumplezone, the worst is probably Clocker, which lacks a basic color scheme, and looks like it may as well be an Earth vehicle. All told, Velocitron was a disappointment.
Animatros:
Yeah, I used the Japanese name, deal with it. This planet is supposed to be the Hobbesian state of nature taken to the Nth degree. All but one of the toys had a beat form. The cartoon showed Transformers making genocidal war on a native faction. (Outside of the old G2 comic, I think this is the first time the US has had this sort of thing in official TF context.) The toys were somewhere between the old Beastwars toys, and Powerrangers. While the aesthetic and context are pretty consistent, this category is not perfect. As the whole idea here is anarchy and nature, a bit nore variety would have served the Animatros line. All but one toy had a land-based alternatore form, and the bulk of the animal forms were reptilian. (Discounting recolors, there were only 3 mammals, and no birds or sea critters.) The best toy here is probably Undermine. The worst is probably Nemesis-Breaker, as its lackluster context does little to cover the fact it is an uninspired black recolor of a mediocre mold. Not a bad set over all, but there was a good deal of un-exploited potential.
Gigalonia:
The concept here is large scale industry. Every toy released under this banner conveys either industry, or large scale. There is also an element of symbiosis with the gargantuan Gigalonians teaming up with lil' Minicons. (Aside from Vector Prime, the larger Gigalonians where the only Cybertron toys to be released with specific Minicons.) The best Gigalonian toy is probably Metroplex, owing partly to the sheer scale of the toy, and the look of the toy evokes large scale construction. The worst is Quickmix, as the toy could just as easily pass for an unmodified Earth cement mixing truck. Gigalonia also had the best designed key (from an aesthetic point), looking like a combination of mechanical component and sacred artifact.

El Chuxter
09-17-2006, 05:28 PM
Slightly off-topic, but it's all TF: Since (aside from Megatron and the upcoming Scourge) the entire 6" Titanium line seems to be based on designs from The War Within, has anyone heard anything about a 6" Titanium War Within Grimlock?

JediTricks
09-18-2006, 04:11 PM
Thundercracker should not completely ape Cybertron Starscream, as the Starscreams from that line did not follows the War Within designs, while Thundercracker is intended to do just that.Nor does he, but since they're both WWi-style tetrajets, their transformations are fairly similar - the big difference is that the majority of the nose on Thundercracker folds into the back, and the shoulders slide back and fold closed over the head; the similarities are the legs as the sides of the jet and the forearms folding 180 under the engine/shoulders; all in all it's an effective transformation.



Still, I cannot think of a sinble toy in this category to avoid, as all of them have some merits. To me, Vector Prime's cheap transformation, cruddy gimmick, and ineffective vehicle mode are sins.


The worst could be any of the Defense teamThis is where your breakdown pattern fails IMO, these are 3 of the better molds in the line but because they are formed on Earth and then head off to spend most of their time on Cybertron they get Cybertron keys and thus don't live up to your artificial "Cybertronian" ideal - same with Wing Saber. I would never define the CY line by its keys because of this, Jungle Planet and Giant Planet are insular characters created out of the politics of the Autobots and Decepticons so it makes sense that they're designed closer to those aesthetics, but Speed Planet, Earth, and Cybertron figures are all mishmashed concepts (Speed planet is supposed to be insular, but really what we got was just Earth/Cybertron hybrid designs) while Planet-X doesn't even exist so they could do whatever just like on Cybertron.


The best toy is Evac, or maybe Redalert. The worst is probably Cannonball, as the mold does not match the paint, nor the context.I would say Red Alert, Crosswise, or Downshift; Evac is good but definitely not at the top of my Earth list. Your reasoning for Cannonball is sound, I can't think of another Earth figure to challenge that standing.


The best toy from this line is probably Crumplezone, the worst is probably Clocker, which lacks a basic color scheme, and looks like it may as well be an Earth vehicle.For me, it's a total disagreement, Crumplezone is near the worst on my list along with Override and Ransack. Brakedown is probably my top choice with Hot Shot following.


The toys were somewhere between the old Beastwars toys, and Powerrangers.Wow, that sounds bad, what does it mean?

So Dom, what does that all mean about the Cybertron line itself?


Sorry Chux, no WWi Grimlock mentions yet that I know of.

Adam
09-18-2006, 07:08 PM
Slightly off-topic, but it's all TF: Since (aside from Megatron and the upcoming Scourge) the entire 6" Titanium line seems to be based on designs from The War Within, has anyone heard anything about a 6" Titanium War Within Grimlock?

That is only half true, the upcoming Rodiumus Prime and Soundwave are also not based on WWI


while Planet-X doesn't even exist

Huh? Yeah it did. X was blown up when its inhabitants tried firing a doomsday device at the Giant Planet, but it malfunctioned and destroyed Planet X instead.

Chaddymac
09-19-2006, 12:40 PM
Huh? Yeah it did. X was blown up when its inhabitants tried firing a doomsday device at the Giant Planet, but it malfunctioned and destroyed Planet X instead.

A cautionary tale if ever I've heard one. Transformers is deep, yo.