View Full Version : What do you think of the OTC re-releases?
03-16-2004, 05:24 PM
When Lucasfilm releases the Original Trilogy on DVD this Fall, Hasbro will be shifting the Star Wars line's focus to the "Original Trilogy Collection". A large portion of the OTC line will be "hall of fame" style re-releases, taking some popular older figures and vehicles and repackaging them in the OTC line with little or no changes to the actual toy in order to appeal to new collectors who missed out over the past decade while those products were originally being released. This is a controversial move though, since amidst all these re-released figures are only 2 waves of actual new figures, so current collectors will have almost no new product to buy in the second half of this year. Granted the idea is hardly new, the vintage line was run largely in this fashion, but that was twenty years ago and times have definitely changed. So what is your position on the OTC line's re-releasing frenzy?
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03-16-2004, 05:42 PM
I don't see it as a big deal. Because while there's only two waves of 'Basic' figures that are new. There are the 'OTC "Vintage" Figures as well. So it's not like there won't be 'new' figures for those that are looking to buy. Plus the Super-Articulated Vintage Figures are twice as much as the regular figures, so it's nice to not have both to worry about. Frankly, looking at the list it's not really that bad. Here's the line-ups. :)
Original Trilogy Collection: Basic Figures
[ ] - #01 - Luke Skywalker - Dagobah (New)
[ ] - #02 - Yoda - Dagobah (New)
[ ] - #03 - Obi-Wan Kenobi - Dagobah (New)
[ ] - #04 - R2-D2 - Dagobah (New)
[ ] - #05 - Luke Skywalker - Pilot (POTJ)
[ ] - #07 - Han Solo - Flight To Alderaan (POTF2 - Commtech)
[ ] - #08 - Chewbacca - Mechanic (POTJ)
[ ] - #09 - Princess Leia - Death Star Captive (POTF2 - New Likeness)
[ ] - #10 - Darth Vader (Saga - Throne Room Duel)
[ ] - #11 - Scout Trooper (POTJ)
[ ] - #12 - R2-D2 - Tatooine Mission (POTJ - Naboo Escape)
[ ] - #13 - C-3PO - Death Star Rescue (Millenium Minted Coin)
[ ] - #14 - Boba Fett - The Pit Of Carkoon (Saga)
[ ] - #15 - Ben Kenobi - ANH (POTJ)
[ ] - #16 - Stormtrooper - Death Star Chase (POTF2 Commtech)
[ ] - #17 - Wicket (POTF2)
[ ] - #18 - Princess Leia - Bespin (NEW)
[ ] - #19 - Cloud Car Pilot (NEW)
[ ] - #20 - Lobot (NEW)
[ ] - #21 - Tie Fighter Pilot (Saga)
Original Trilogy Collection: "Vintage" Figures
Wave 1: Luke, Obi-Wan, Han Solo, Princess Leia - July
Wave 2: Darth Vader, C-3P0, Yoda, Lando Calrissian - August
Wave 3: Stormtrooper, Chewbacca, R2-D2, Boba Fett - September
MTFBWY and HH!!
Jar Jar Binks
03-16-2004, 06:31 PM
I will be buying as many as the new stuff as Ican find. The repacks can rot the pegs IMO.
03-16-2004, 08:45 PM
"It makes sense, gives new folks a chance at jumping in"
I've no problem with the re-releases either. I'm looking forward to getting another shot at a few of them. The carded C-3PO will be nice. No doubt, there's going to be plenty to spend my money on... if only I can find the stuff.
03-16-2004, 09:27 PM
I don't really care either way. I won't be buying any re-carded stuff if I already have it. If people didn't get a figure the first this a great way for them to get it.
03-16-2004, 09:33 PM
Yeah, I feel the same way as LusiferSam on this.
Don't really care... I would probably buy a few certain ones if they look really great in the new packaging (with the background picture and all), but it wouldn't make any difference to me if they were released or not.
03-16-2004, 09:35 PM
As a "loose-completist" (I'm a quoted hyphenated collector :D ) I usually open everything anyway. But I do have a collection slowly growing of items which seem to be designed to stay packaged, such as the Convention exclusives and the 25th Anniversary sets just to name a couple. These Original Trilogy items fall into that category.
The interesting thing is that I see history repeating itself somewhat. Interest in Star Wars collecting seems to be waning just as it did post-ROTJ. Looking back, it is those figures that currently command the most interest and money for investment and collecting opportunities. As legions of former-fans and collectors turn their backs on more and more items like this (and the Target collector cups), these will be the truly "hard to find" collectables for the following decade and beyond. The normal runs of figures that everybody and their mother made sure to get 2 of (one to open, one to keep C-10 :rolleyes: ) will be virtually worthless while these scorned items will truly be the things worth having.
03-16-2004, 10:59 PM
Im runing out of space :/ But I do like that they are re-relasing some of the other figures like the stormtrooper. I can allways use more of these, for dioramas and customizing. But I hope I wont find myslef buying all of these.
03-17-2004, 12:08 AM
I'm somewhere in between Don't really care and Dislike it, wanted to see more new stuff- but my vote is DISLIKED IT- because I wanted to see more stuff. The only figure I'll be buying is the Cloud Car Pilot. It would have been nice to see Hasbro to take this oppertunity to finally finish the Vintage line (Chief Chirpa, Klaatu-from Jabba's Palace, the Vintage Imperial Dignitary, Lumat, Romba, & Warok) that collectors have been waiting for since 1995. There are plenty of other OT characters that can be made into figs for the first time too. I'd also would have liked to see more TPM, AOTC, and Animated Clone Wars figs- like Obi in Clone armor with speeder bike (notice how Hasbro never finishes what they started). Hopefully we will see some NEW stuff come up this summer for this Fall/Winter because next year is mostly EP3- which means Hasbro will forget about the past Prequals and CW (like they did with TPM when AOTC came out) and then the next thing we know-THE LINE IS GONE.
03-17-2004, 08:51 AM
PERSONALY, I dislike the idea as I already have them- same w/ HOF- what a waste oh well, guess it is good for newcomers. I like NEW stuff and characters in NEW costumes not limied to spesific scene that limits imagination. I'm kinda taking this veiw- w/ EP3 around the corner, as in past retailers order less and less NEW stuff from current line until NEW movie items in new packages come out thus waves like Sio Bibble's, Ad. Motti's, Exp. Universe, last FF waves were nearly inpossible to find at retail so if until next spring, if the offering were all new char., they'd too be HTF so I guess let the OTC come out and maybe less collector demand and less retail desire to shelve them as EP3 nears will balance out. that's even my therory way current new waves are HTF, retailers after seeing Toy Fair and new packaging are waiting to stockpile first few waves and not stocking adequate supplys of Yavin, Star Dest. and I fear especially since it is the last saga, the Endor waves
03-17-2004, 09:13 AM
I'm sort of indifferent. The C-3PO will be nice, and army builders can always use more Stormtroopers and Scout Troopers. However, some of the other choices are rather ridiculous. Darth Vader Throne Room Duel and Boba Fett Pit of Carkoon are hanging on the pegs as we speak, so do we really need them repackaged later on this year? And I don't think we need Han Solo Flight to Alderaan or Princess Leia Imperial Captive if we're going to get those characters in the same outfits in the Original Trilogy Collection. But I guess it's cool for newer collectors, so it doesn't bother me too much.
And I don't think everyone should be worried about there only being two waves of basic figures in the second half of '04. This time last year we didn't know about the Jabba's Palace, Yavin, and Executor waves, so I'm sure Hasbro will have more up its sleeve as the year goes on.
03-17-2004, 09:50 AM
Allthough I think it sucks with the re-releases, as that is what Hasbro has been doing now for the bast 9 years with some of the figures, it dose give those a chance to start collecting. What I think was that if some of these are re-releases then Hasbro could have put out some newer figures from the other lines. I think that dedicating the second part of the year to the OTC and not placing new product out there for those of us that have the older stuff is not sound business to the core collectors that have been with hasbro since they started up again in 95 and some ot those that have been collecting since 77.
03-17-2004, 11:53 AM
But they are putting new stuff out for the older collectors. 12 "Vintage" Super Articulated figures and 7 "Basic" figures. It's not like they're releasing nothing but older figures. Besides, re-issues were common during the vintage line. Myself, as I said above....welcome the break in the basic figures. So I can afford the vintage ones. :)
MTFBWY and HH!!
Jar Jar Binks
03-17-2004, 12:33 PM
It's been said, but I'll say it again... If older figures are going to be re-packaged, why not do seriously older figures? Boba fett, Vader, Han and Leia were all out within the last 2 years, and in some stores still sitting there. One figure from the HOF 12 was older (stormtrooper) but that was it. I think Hasbro is suckering completists into buying the same figure over and over again rather than making them available for new collectors. I doubt that most of the figures are even freshly made... most are probably true re-packs (i.e. torn out of cases sitting around and put into new packages).
And likely these won't show in good quantities (though the new package will help this a bit) so it'll frustrate those that do want them. This may be a bad move on hasbro's part, but if I find them I'll buy them.
03-17-2004, 02:38 PM
I believe that Hasbro is trying to get the "target" cuastomer (kids) back into Star Wars. Let's face it with the OT comming out this year many kids will like to have the core characters to play with, just wait for the x-mas season i'm sure all we will get to se are more re-packs and that is fine with me I could give me a break and save some money to get ready for the E3 figures in 2005.
03-17-2004, 03:30 PM
Well, I "voted" "Don't love it, but as a completist, I'll be buying it all anyway", however, it's more like:
Original Trilogy Collection: Basic Figures
[Hate it] - #05 - Luke Skywalker - Pilot (POTJ)
[A third release in 1 year?] - #07 - Han Solo - Flight To Alderaan (POTF2 - Commtech)(Saga Gold)(Saga HOF)
[Eh] - #08 - Chewbacca - Mechanic (POTJ)
[Hate it] - #09 - Princess Leia - Death Star Captive (POTF2 - New Likeness)(Saga HOF)
[A third release in 1 year?] - #10 - Darth Vader (Saga - Throne Room Duel)(Saga HOF)
[YEAH!!!] - #11 - Scout Trooper (POTJ)
[Again?] - #12 - R2-D2 - Tatooine Mission (POTJ - Naboo Escape)(Saga HOF)
[Again?] - #13 - C-3PO - Death Star Rescue (Millenium Minted Coin)(Saga HOF)
[Again?] - #14 - Boba Fett - The Pit Of Carkoon (Saga)(BTW my local retailers have this figure currently warming pegs)
[Again?] - #15 - Ben Kenobi - ANH (POTJ)(Saga Target Exclusive BK style Glass)
[YEAH!!!] - #16 - Stormtrooper - Death Star Chase (POTF2 Commtech)(Saga HOF)
[Eh] - #17 - Wicket (POTF2)
[YEAH!!!] - #21 - Tie Fighter Pilot (Saga)
I don't "Hate" any of these figures, but I do hate that they are re-releasing them in the OTC line. I also hate the fact that Hasbro is re-releasing figures less than a year after re-releasing them. :rolleyes: I also hate the fact that Hasbo is re-releasing figures that have been out on 2 other cards within the last year. :rolleyes:
Don't get me wrong, they aren't all bad, I'm glad to see that they are re-releasing some good stuff (Army Builders). I just haven't seen this many card variations since the POTF2 days (OC, GC w/holo, GC w/o holo and FF).
03-17-2004, 03:54 PM
Im happy they're relreleasing a bunch of figures - there's enough to worry about getting this year already. Remember, we still haven't heard the extent of everything that's coming out - we only know what to expect until the fall. There are still the Cantina Sets (likely at $22 per set) as well as the Sandcrawler (preorders being taken at $70 :eek: for this thing). The SA vintage figures will be denting peoples' wallets as well. If there were 21 MORE new basic figures coming out this year, I'd have to consider re-mortgaging the house!
03-17-2004, 05:03 PM
If they have to do these constant re-packs, why can't they also re-pack stuff we couldn't find before along with the stuff that was peg-warming then and will be again! Didn't the cantina Han Solo linger on the shelves long enough the first time!? This will be the 3rd time they re-packed the dad-blamed thing! The super articulated retro-card stuf is awesome, why do they need the re-packs at the same time?! All this crap is going to do is take up peg space, and end up causing store to not want to order anymore new cases, in turn causing us to miss new product after it. If I understand the poll here correctly, I don't think it gives us the opportunity to respond correctly. I think all of us love the SA stuff, and of couse we want the other new stuff. but these re-packs are just one more opportunity for Hasbro to tell us how much they hate us!!!! Are you reading this Hasbro?!!! I hope you are!! Where's my Tanus Spijek! Where's all the SAP Clone Troopers?!!! Where's the second wave of Ep.1 Accessory packs! Heck I can't even find the Battle of Yavin figs. YOU GUYS SUCK!!!!!!!
03-17-2004, 05:36 PM
I have to agree w/ a previous responce. with the "vintage" SA figs. we don't need the re-issues- that was my take all along.
interesting tho w/ the basic OTC line so far only 21 figs listed w/ only 7 "new" figs all 7 accrding to EE are due in June/July and among the 2 case asst for these 7, only about 17 0r 18 figs are in thses mixes, the remaining must be later releases i think "classic" Leia, TIE pilot, and Scout trooper are not counted for in either asst.
Maybe Hasbro realized how retailers order and stock close to new movie product and are putting out the 7 new ones first to get them out in a descent distribution as compared to previous final waves,then as retailers want more the remaining reissues will fill thier orders until EP3 orders are taken and allow time this fall for retailers toget thier stock of current releases out to public w/out competing to get "new" figures. Mybe there won't be as much reissues as we think meaning there to help fill void of retailer lack of orders pre EP3 and to cut down on overstock and shipbacks for credit- which didn't seem to work in the past.
STILL personally I HATE HAVING NO "NEW" CHARACTERS IN NEW COSTUMES other than the Dagobah and Bespin waves(which really has only 1 "NEW" character)
but maybe i can "save" some $- (fat chance w/SA"vintage sets)
also, i wouldn't consider the vintage (ie 70's/80's) figures are reissues simply because back then ONLY 1 Vader, Chewie, Stormtrooper, Kenobi etc had stayed unaltered throughout the whole run. Unaltered I mean the fug. kept same pose none were scene specific so those vintage had to remain available throughout. the reissues of today are scene specific. if it is necessary to reissue core char. then alter the fig ie intead of luke tat. encounter in saga coll2 then HOF then in OTC, could have offered an alternate such as blast shield luke or better yet to appear to kids, 1 luke w/ access from various versions, the new bubbles sure can hold a bunch like blast helmet, floppy hat, t-16 model,saber,blaster,tatooine poncho
03-17-2004, 11:18 PM
If they have to do these constant re-packs, why can't they also re-pack stuff we couldn't find before along with the stuff that was peg-warming then and will be again! Didn't the cantina Han Solo linger on the shelves long enough the first time!? This will be the 3rd time they re-packed the dad-blamed thing! The super articulated retro-card stuf is awesome, why do they need the re-packs at the same time?! All this crap is going to do is take up peg space, and end up causing store to not want to order anymore new cases, in turn causing us to miss new product after it. but these re-packs are just one more opportunity for Hasbro to tell us how much they hate us!!!! Are you reading this Hasbro?!!! I hope you are!! Where's my Tanus Spijek! Where's all the SAP Clone Troopers?!!! Where's the second wave of Ep.1 Accessory packs! Heck I can't even find the Battle of Yavin figs. YOU GUYS SUCK!!!!!!!
:greedy: <---- A smiley from Hasbro
03-18-2004, 07:22 PM
I'm really surprised to see such a diverse set of votes, opinions seem to be largely across the board, though "dislike" does currently have the lead.
Personally, I think it makes some sense for the newbies, this is what the vintage line did all along after all. I even started a thread a while back about which older figures should be recarded: http://forums.sirstevesguide.com/showthread.php?t=23221
I too am worried though about how little new stuff there will be and if it'll get lost in the repacks, Hasbro clearly is planning more repacks (their repack fan's choice poll should tell us that) and we have a long ways till Ep III once this stuff came out.
03-18-2004, 08:23 PM
All I can say is:
I'm really happy I broke my completist habit after POTJ!! :D
03-18-2004, 10:12 PM
You and me both Reef! Wish I had known then that Saga's crummy freshman year would actually end up saving me big money. ;)
I will be buying as many as the new stuff as Ican find. The repacks can rot the pegs IMO.
Im in complete agreement. I don't see the point in being skint just to have new packets on figures I already have. Will be wanting the Dagobah and vintage figures myself.
I pretty much said I was not very pleased with the new rehashes because they have been made so much. Another Ben, Han, Darth, Luke, Leia, and so on is just the same old stuff. Last year they released a Han (repack with Wat Tambor), multiple Darth's (Throne Room/Death Star Clash/Imp Forces pack), a Luke (Tatooine encounter), a Leia (Imperial Captive). I thinkk folks who are saying Hasbro is being kind to new collectors is nieve because of the simple fact they can and DO repack old figures in new packages. It all comes down to Hasbro making new versions so COMPLETISTS buy yet another of the same character to fulfill their collecting habits. Meanwhile non-completist fans who wait for new (never-made before) figures are waiting for the line to be dragged on again. Hasbro is just buying time with the OTC collection and it's pretty obvious and dissappointing. The good news for me is that I will be saving more money this year because I only forsee me buying the X-wing with Red leader and sandcrawler this year with a handful of announced OTC figures. Hopefully after the currently announced waves are released some new more exciting stuff comes out. That includes 12" too. It's like that line has died for nothing but rehashes.
03-20-2004, 01:23 PM
Come on hasbro what are you thinking i was doin good to get any of the new figures now all of a sudden theres all these old ones forget tha past unless you improve the articulation hay heres an idea have the stores send all the old ones back for credit and replace them for the new figures...LETS MOVE FORWARD PEOPLE..!!!
03-20-2004, 05:44 PM
I was pumped about it at first, but now just wish there were more different figures. Not as happy as I first thought.
03-22-2004, 12:08 AM
The packaging idea should have been applied only to the VINTAGE OTC, I guess. Instead, Hasbro should have keep on giving us more new figs under the SAGA line and forget about boring rehashes with flashy packaging...
I'll get the never made figs, period.
03-22-2004, 10:55 AM
I have been a completist, but it is getting ridiculous now that some figures will be one three or more different cards. How many of the same exact figure does one person need? Blue card, Blue card gold stripe, and now OT card??? It's not like you can't find some of these on the clearance racks... if it wasn't for the OT theme I bet Orn Free Ta would be on a new card...
03-22-2004, 11:27 AM
It's not really all that different from Sandtrooper on Orange Card, Green Card without Holo, Green Card with Holo and Freeze Frame. They did the same for a lot of figures early on.
I stopped being a completist when Hasbro started turning out gimick figures. Luckily I am back, but my SAGA collection will forever have holes. :Pirate:
03-22-2004, 11:34 AM
At least the Orange card, green card, green with Holo were package changes while the figure was still in its initial release, and no other versions existed previously.
The new re-packs are old figures re-carded for "new" collectors... but at the same time they are making new versions of the same characters, so new collectors will have that character with or without the re-packs.
04-04-2004, 01:23 PM
It seems to me there are significant changes in the figures and with them on the vintage cards, to me it all looks really good, kinda a blast from the past...these will definitely stay in their packages and be good to hang on the wall or display somehow.
04-04-2004, 01:24 PM
kinda a blast from the past...
Yes you are a blast from the past. How the heck have ya been?
04-04-2004, 02:59 PM
these will definitely stay in their packages and be good to hang on the wall or display somehow.
They do look OK to stick on the wall for display.
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