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Tycho
04-06-2004, 12:52 AM
I don't remember if we did this or not...

but choose the captain:

Archer
Kirk
Picard
Sisko
Janeway

no write-ins. Other captains like Sulu and Riker didn't have their own show.


I'm voting for James T. Kirk!


First 10 votes nails it unless we have to do a tie-breaker.

Droid
04-06-2004, 10:01 AM
I vote Kirk!

scruffziller
04-06-2004, 12:02 PM
I vote Picard.

Phantom-like Menace
04-06-2004, 04:19 PM
I hope I'm not the only vote for Benjamin Sisko. I miss DS9, miss seeing him work, and love Spike for showing DS9 reruns now!


Benjamin Sisko is the man.

JediTricks
04-06-2004, 04:21 PM
What is the criteria? Picard is the superior diplomat, is better at utilizing his crew, has superior alternate-strategies in battle, and takes into account more various viewpoints. Kirk brings his crew together better, makes brash and unforeseen moves, is a better traditional tactician, and puts more on the line when the need arises.

Loyalty says Kirk is the man, but sense says Picard is the captain...

Picard.

12inch Lando
04-06-2004, 04:36 PM
I love Picard but I'd have to go with Kirok... I mean Kirk.

James Boba Fettfield
04-06-2004, 04:38 PM
I have been impressed with Kirk ever since he fought the Gorn.

I felt this way when TV Guide had the cover of the captains Kirk and Picard against each other, and I feel the same way today.

Droid
04-06-2004, 05:47 PM
Ya, I voted quickly for Kirk in my gut. But is Picard the better captain? Picard probably would have raised his shields when the Reliant failed to answer hails in Star Trek II. Picard never would have gone after Spock in Star Trek III. But if Kirk hadn't done that, they wouldn't have been able to save Earth in Star Trek IV. Kirk never obeyed the Prime Directive. Picard played it safe too much. I'm sticking with Kirk. It's really a matter of who the first officer is. Kirk with Riker as his first officer would be an impulsive disaster. Spock was necessary to balance Kirk out ... but I am jumping ahead a bit. I still say Kirk as the captain.

Phantom-like Menace
04-06-2004, 08:31 PM
I have been impressed with Kirk ever since he fought the Gorn.
Kirk used to always save the day by romancing the girl, so I always wanted to see a spoof of that episode in which it turns out the Gorn captain is a woman, Spock suggests he seduce her, and Kirk, having taken a healthy taste of the saltpeter, is unable to save the Enterprise.

QLD
04-06-2004, 11:09 PM
It is really hard for me to say. But I think I completely agree with JediTricks.

I vote Picard.

Tycho
04-07-2004, 04:27 AM
By majority vote, James T. Kirk will be our captain.

Now let's choose the First Officer.


Choose 1 from these candidates, no write-ins:

T'Pol
Spock
Riker
Kira
Chakotay


This is such a no-brainer for me: pick the officer with the best brain to make up for the captain ; )

Kirk's got the guts and the heart, but SPOCK has got his head on straight!


My vote is for SPOCK for First Officer!

James Boba Fettfield
04-07-2004, 05:25 AM
Spock is my choice. He's the ying to Kirk's yang or something...

QLD
04-07-2004, 06:41 AM
Hmmm.....can I vote for Chris Farley AS William Riker?

No?

Perhaps we should have two choices, Skinny-no beard Riker, or Fat-bearded Riker.

No?

Ok....fine.....Spock.

Droid
04-07-2004, 08:43 AM
Without a doubt, Spock. Even if Picard had won the Captain position, Spock. The greatest character in Star Trek ever, Spock. And also, he is so much SMARTER than Riker. Spock. Spock. Spock.

I'll be really surprised if the ultimate crew has anyone other than characters from the original show and Next Generation.

By the way, I would vote for skinny no beard Riker!

Phantom-like Menace
04-07-2004, 08:50 AM
I'll pick Riker, so I can continue to enjoy my minority opinion.

12inch Lando
04-07-2004, 06:58 PM
I think you kind of fall into a trap here. If you chose Picard then the most complimentary first officer would have to be Riker. I chose Kirk so I think that Spock is the logical choice. I do think that a Kirk/Riker pairing could work. Riker had no problem pulling back when necessary in TNG and would probablly act as a moderating force for Kirk and Kirk would definitely see a lot of himself in Riker. It's just so hard leaving Picard out of this equation. Spock... with Picard as XO.

JediTricks
04-07-2004, 07:44 PM
Riker is generally a timid first officer, although he acts like a Kirk wannabe on away missions, his behavior behind the captain is pretty much just playing devil's advocate. However, his strongest asset is that he is the ship's XO, while Spock is the ship's science officer and often too busy to really be a first officer. But since we're stuck with Kirk as captain, we really don't need an executive officer since Kirk is very hands-on.

Spock, on the other hand, is a good first officer when he's not busy with his main duties, but often questions his own command actions because he lacks confidence in his interpersonal skills due to his Vulcan upbringing. Spock is very in-tune with his commanding officer and therefore able to take bigger risks in questioning orders, but wisely saves this for just the right times.


For Kirk, Spock is the... logical choice. (well, the "logical" choice for Kirk is really T'pol so he can seduce her every episode, but let's face it, that's not going to keep the damn Romulans at bay.) Unfortunately, with Kirk as our captain, we're pretty much locked into the Kirk/Spock/McCoy teaming because those 3 ARE specifically written to have failings that the other two fill that void of, they work best together rather than apart.

I wouldn't say that about any of the other captains though, not even Picard - the rest are all fairly well-rounded and flexible people which makes them not as interesting to a certain degree, Kirk's flaws are part of his charm whereas Picard has almost no flaws except interpersonal issues and dealing with children: hardly major concerns for a starship captain. Picard worked well with Spock, and probably would do so on a long-term situation.

12inch Lando
04-08-2004, 05:09 AM
T'pol would make an interesting yomen for good ol' Jim Kirk. In a coffee fetching, mini-skirt wearing 60s sort of way. Writers could have a field day with that one.

QLD
04-08-2004, 08:28 AM
TNG and TOS both had excellent characters. It's almost impossible to choose. The automatic inclination is going to be to go with TOS characters.

At this point, how do we not choose McCoy, and for that matter Scotty? However, at the same time, I LOVE LaForge. I could do without Crusher, though she is still a very good character.

Droid
04-08-2004, 09:51 AM
So Tycho, who is the first officer? And what is the next position to fill?

Tycho
04-08-2004, 01:46 PM
OK, it looks like SPOCK will be First Officer, under the command of James T. Kirk.

Since it would be logical to choose the bridge command crew first, let's choose the 2nd Officer next.


Choose from these:

Malcolm Reed
Hikaru Sulu
Data
Jadzia Dax
Tuvok


Breaking from my TOS choices, I would have to select Mr. Data as the best choice for 2nd Officer. There is so much capability an Android brings to the group that these other characters cannot. Most of them will get second chances at making our crew, or thirds even, as we select pilots, science officers, tactical officers, etc. But Data was an indispensible crew member you wouldn't want a starship to be without!

Droid
04-08-2004, 01:58 PM
I don't know Tycho, that's a little odd that we will still be choosing the science officer now that Spock already is first officer. I guess I kind of thought there would just be the captain, first officer, doctor, engineer, helmsman, and weapons station officer. If I had known that Spock could have been the science officer I might have chosen Riker as the first officer so both Spock and Riker could be in the crew.

And also, what is the second officer? I thought that generally in Star Trek the second and third in command often had other functions. Spock was first officer and science officer. Data was the helmsmen and third in command. Wouldn't Data and Sulu be candidates for helmsmen rather than second officer? Was Sulu third in command on the original show? I thought Scotty was usually put in charge when Kirk and Spock were gone.

Oh well Tycho, it is your game and I am enjoying it. My choice is Mr. Data. I actually think Kirk will be exasperated at working so closely with both Data and Spock, but Data's ability to calculate, his physical capabilities, quick ability to learn large quantities of information are just invaluable. It's like having the ship's computer on an away team. If McCoy is the medical officer (as I predict he will be), Spock and Data will drive him crazy!

James Boba Fettfield
04-08-2004, 03:43 PM
Data is the choice. Tuvok, I don't want another Vulcan, put him in the lounge!

An android, it's tough for those other candidates to challenge that. Also, I just like Data. We'll have to find a way to get LaForge in, too.

Droid
04-08-2004, 04:09 PM
Our next discussion could be what color shirt would Kirk wear, yellow or green? Or would he wear the uniform from Star Trek the Motion Picture or Wrath of Khan?

Droid
04-08-2004, 05:30 PM
I'll be gone for the weekend, so I'd like to weigh in that I'd put LaForge in Engineering and McCoy in sick bay.

As for weapons officer, I'd probably vote Chekov. Worf is probably better, but I doubt Kirk would get along with him too well given that Klingons killed his son and all. (Which raises an interesting question, what time period are these folks in, is it young Kirk, whose son hasn't died, but with the knowledge of a Galaxy Class starship. Are we assuming that whatever crew we choose has basic knowledge of whatever ships they are in?) I guess I'll vote Worf if we're assuming that Federation-Klingon relations are stable and Kirk can live with a Klingon on his bridge.

JediTricks
04-08-2004, 06:11 PM
Second Officer? That's not a primary role position, it's a title given to the next highest ranking crewmember in the command structure no matter what position they hold. I think we need to vote on these not by rank or command structure but by job. I mean, look at what we have to choose from so far, we have Reed - tactical officer, Sulu - helmsman, Data - operations officer, Dax - science officer, and Tuvok - security chief... and several of those were never 2nd officers, how are we supposed to reasonably compare these to each other?

Anyway, this doesn't really make sense to me, this is like having a Congressman run against a Senator and a Governor for a City Council seat, so I'm not voting.

Tycho
04-08-2004, 07:17 PM
OK, a few people made some good points that choosing a 2nd Officer was not the right way to do this.

So, that being the case, let's vote for 2 that were chosen before by DROID because he was going away for the weekend.


CHOOSE OUR SHIPS CHIEF MEDICAL OFFICER. Vote for 1 from:

Phlox
McCoy
Crusher
Bashir
Emergency Medical Hologram


I choose Emergency Medical Hologram or "Joe the Holo-Doc" because his programs give him the medical knowledge of all the doctors listed above, plus he can do things that only holograms can - such as be impervious to phasers, etc., and move around with his 29th Century Mobile Emitter. Definitely not the best beside manner (I'd choose Beverly or Julian for that), but the Holo-Doc gets the job done!


And LET'S VOTE FOR OUR SHIP'S CHIEF ENGINEER. Choose 1 from:

Tucker
Scott
LaForge
O'Brien
Torres

For me this is a very tough choice between the two Engineers I've seen perform the most miracles...Miles O'Brien and Montgomery Scott. Then again, Geordi usually is proactive, so he doesn't have to adapt in a crunch... by "Insurrection" he had containment stabalizer shields around engineering after he'd been experienced with losing the Enterprise D due to a breach...

I love Trip's character, but he just doesn't have the knowledge, though he's a very quick learner.... B'Elanna is very hot but also hot-tempered. She can make stuff work on the fly though....

OK: Miles Edward O'Brien - he turned that old mining platform called Terok Nor into the Dominion Wars' Federation Battle Station! (amongst many other miracles he's performed) It was the toughest call not to pick Scotty. But O'Brien is truly an out-of-the-box thinker.

JediTricks
04-09-2004, 02:42 PM
I think we have to assume here that all of our characters will have the knowledge appropriate to the timeframe needed, otherwise this really would be a contest between TNG and DS9 since all the others have had only earlier contact with the technology of their times.


EMH is too limited in his thinking and techniques, especially by technology. Heck, he is technology!

Phlox is a good alternative-medicine doc, but doesn't really seem to offer much in the way of advice for the captain and is off-puting to the majority of the crew.

Bashir is genetically-enhanced to be super-doc, but has little life experience and falls back on his academics a lot.

Crusher is a wise, experienced, caring doctor, but a limited surgeon.

That leaves McCoy, who balances the Spock-Kirk equation, is not afraid to give his advice when the captain doesn't want to listen, is a masterful surgeon, and pretty much wrote the book on starship medicine.

McCoy is my vote for CMO.

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O'Brien is a good "work with your hands" technician, but not a theorist, so his ideas are generally limited to the practical and the 'spit & bailing wire' conceptual.

Torres offers nothing really except an increased familiarity of Borg technology.

Mr Scott literally wrote the book on starship engineering, but uses tricks and stunts to make his abilities seem more amazing. Scotty will get in the Jefferies tubes when the need arises as he is massively hands-on.

LaForge is a no-nonsense, straight-shooting engineer with a heavy background in starfleet-taught warp theory, as well as an accomplished pilot, but depends on his friends and co-workers a little too much. His strengths are that he is amazingly adaptable and is able to think outside the box without straying too far from what actually can be done. His occular implants are often quite helpful on away missions, though not as powerful as his VISOR.

That leaves Charles "Trip" Tucker III. Trip is an outstanding explorer and fine engineer, but a little green. His lack of experience probably makes him a little more by-the-book than he should be, but his friendship with the captain is the very backbone of the senior staff and his excitement for the final frontier helps keep a lot of missions going.

If I was voting on this based on a 'jack-of-all-trades' engineer, Trip would definitely be my choice because he could suppliment the many roles on Kirk's ship. But as just an engineer, Scotty and LaForge are really the only choices in my book because they are the top men in their field. Scotty is the miracle worker, but LaForge does his job without such conceits.

LaForge is my vote for chief engineer.

Phantom-like Menace
04-09-2004, 06:02 PM
For doctor, I'm going with Bashir. Genetically engineered, he's a genious. He cares greatly for everyone he treats. He's the man for the job.

Engineer: I'm going to go DS9 again. O'Brien has always been a favorite of mine, going back to before DS9 even came on. Not only can he figure out your problem, but if our tactical officer goes down, O'Brien's experience on the Rutledge would serve you well. The only question: Who knows more about transporters, O'Brien or Scotty?

Bashir and O'Brien, together again, remembering the Alamo.

Droid
04-12-2004, 10:19 AM
Hello everyone. I'm back. Tycho, thanks for sticking to the positions I weighed in on. Looks like right now McCoy leads the doctor's vote and O'Brien and LaForge are tied. Anyone care to join the discussion?

vulcantouch
04-12-2004, 11:51 PM
but no wonder, with the hypermethodical approach you're using; you must all be computer majors :silly: to assemble a good crew you gotta go with yer gut- lookit me, i already got my entire senior staff picked out:
cappy: janeway- with that saucy jawline, she can boss me around anytime she likes :kiss:
xo: spook
3rd/nurse: t'pol :kiss:
science: data
eng: smiley
med: holodoc
conn: paris
ops/tactical: ro :kiss:
comm/astrometrix: 7o9 :kiss:
security/shuttlebay yardmaster: odo
counselor: choklotay
guinan/neelix-style civvy: quark
and aWaaay we go :cool:
vt

Arrogant Arse
04-13-2004, 01:06 PM
Oaky, I just found this thread, but here are my picks, even thought some are already done

Captain: Ben Sisko. He was by the book, but could make the tough decisions, plus great acting by Avery "Hawk" Brooks
First Officer: Spock. Very smart, very thoughtful
2nd: Data.
Doctor: Either McCoy or the EMH. McCoy was an excellent "country" Doctor who could realte to his patients. the EMH evolved and could do things most would not be able to do. It is a tough choice between one who hates technology, and technology itself, but I'll go with the EMH
Engineer: Gotta be Montgomery Scott "I'm givin 'er allll she's got"

AA

P.S. Uniforms: Red jackets from movies 2-6, followed by ST First Contact Uniforms

JediTricks
04-14-2004, 08:02 PM
... and a side of fries, please.


Worst part is, I agree with the uniforms decision. :D

Droid
04-19-2004, 12:48 PM
Tycho, I'm afraid your thread is dying! Why don't you name the doctor and engineer and throw up voting for any remaining positions.

Tycho
04-19-2004, 03:21 PM
Sorry guys, I'd been out of town visiting friends...

OK,

Our Captain is James T. Kirk.
Our Executive Officer is Spock

and....

our Chief Medical Officer is "Joe Holodoc"

our Chief Engineer is Miles Edward O'Brien.



Now let's pick who is going to fly our ship!


Choose from:

Travis Mayweather
Hikaru Sulu
Ro Laren
Jadzia Dax
Tom Paris


I was looking for multi-specialties here:

Mayweather = 0
Sulu = making a good 2nd officer, command grade material.
Ro = great for covert ops, unconventional tactics
Dax = extremely experienced scientist, Klingon combat skills, diplomatic experience
Paris = rudimentary medical nursing skills, male-female relationship specialist (...right).


This was tough because Tom Paris was the Star Trek character I felt was the most like me. I related to the guy - liking the hard to get girl, the cartoons and space fantasy adventures, racing, being a disobedient rebel, kind of a screw-up sometimes, but occasionally ready to be the hero, but also a true friend, best-pal type of guy. Heck, if there's any Star Trek character I even sort of look like, it's Tom.

However, Jadzia Dax kicks his butt all the way around: she's an experienced experimental craft test-pilot, which qualifies her for this job. However, she's got 8 life-times worth of experience in science, diplomacy (Kurzon), Klingon combat arts (Kurzon), counseling (another host), and so on. She also has command experience like Sulu, and makes a great 2nd Officer.

I wonder if Starfleet Academy has affirmative action for non-joined Trills, because how could anybody get into the school while competing with any of the joined Trills? Well, I guess they don't. If I recall correctly, Jadzia graduated from Starfleet Academy with her doctorate degrees BEFORE she was joined. Now that's impressive. Besides, now Kirk will have someone to sleep with, though from what I remember in "Trials and Tribulations," it was actually McCoy that Jadzia had been interested in - (I guess Dax had a female
host immediately prior to Kurzon).

But Jadzia Dax is my pick here.

Droid
04-19-2004, 04:37 PM
Why isn't Data the Next Generation choice, or even Wesley Crusher? Weren't they the primary navigators on Next Generation? What position will Data be nominated for?

Of the given choices, I choose Sulu.

Tycho
04-19-2004, 06:45 PM
deleted because I accidently sent in my post (next entry) too soon.

Tycho
04-19-2004, 06:50 PM
Data was 3 things:

Science Officer
2nd Officer
Operations Officer


To compare these things to other crews....(and heck, go ahead and vote if you'd like):

Science Officer
T'Pol
Spock
Data
Dax
hmmm: Janeway, Seven of Nine, or Holodoc (?)

Voyager sort of lacked a science officer because their mission (to find the Maquis) didn't call for one...

Janeway was an engineer
Chakotay? command, I guess
Tuvok - security, tactical
Harry Kim - Operations, engineering
Paris - flying, some engineering, some medacine
Torres - engineering, some science
Seven of Nine - assimilating - no doubt qualified her a bit
Kes - horticulture, counseling I guess
Neelix - supply procurement, diplomatic negotiations
Doc - medacine, science

It seems Janeway, Seven, or Holodoc is the closest Voyager has to a pure science officer (that at least was a regular cast member).


Anyway, as far as Operations Officer (with our analogy with Data),

Ops on the NX? Hoshi Sato? Not sure. Reed is more tactical, security. Mayweather is more just the pilot.

Chekov sort of handled this function jointly with Uhura. Chekov was the navigator and back-up science officer on the bridge. Uhura handled communications and more operations I think.

Data was definitely the Operations Officer on the bridge of the 1701-D & E.

O'Brien is the Operations officer on DS9, but Worf handles the military aspects of that, while Dax has some work in that area she does. However, we've already chosen O'Brien as our chief engineer.

Harry Kim was Voyager's Operations Officer. His secondary specialty was most closely related to engineering.


PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE AND INTERVIEW SKILLS, ACCOMPLISHMENTS, X-TRA CURRICULAR SPECIALTIES, ETC - all were reasons these people's captains or Ex-O's chose them to become part of the crews we knew them in.

In any case, although qualified, Data did not fly the Enterprise exclusively enough to put him in as a choice for pilot, and Wesley Crusher was not a full-fledged Starfleet Officer, when with a bending of protocals, he was given the helm of the D. LaForge would be also considerable, as until his promotion, he was the primary bridge pilot.


Hmmm.

I'd pick Seven of Nine for Science Officer and Commander Data for Operations Officer. It's the only way to get both of their skills on board our ship:

I vote:

Captain James T. Kirk (TOS)
Commander Spock (TOS)
Dr. Joe Holodoc (Voy)
Sr. Eng. Miles O'Brien (DS9)
Pilot: Jadzia Dax (DS9) (CONTINUE VOTING)
Science: Seven-of-Nine (Voy) (CONTINUE VOTING)
Ops: Cmdr. Data (TNG) (CONTINUE VOTING)

JediTricks
04-19-2004, 11:22 PM
First off, Ro Laren?!? What the hell? She was in 9 episodes, Wes Crusher had several years as helmsman of the Ent-D, as well as a penchant for ships systems, physical sciences, and theoretical sciences. I can't stand him most of the time, but Wesley Crusher is my write-in choice for Helmsman due to his versatility.

BTW, in early eps of TNG, it was LaForge who was the Conn Officer, not Data.


Our crew already has a built-in Science Officer with Spock, so IMO we're really just looking for an Ops officer with science as a secondary role.

Voyager had Annika Hansen (aka 7 of 9) act as the science officer in some episodes, but had Harry Kim as Operations Officer the whole time so he should be on the list (not that I'm voting for him). O'Brien was DS9's "Chief of Operations" which is a totally different role from an Ops or Science officer and thus doesn't come into play.

NX-01 does not have an Operations officer at all, so this role would be best filled by T'Pol, the First Officer and Science Officer. NCC-1701/A also had no Operations officer, so again, First Officer & Science Officer would be closest role.

Data is my choice for Ops, his skills were perfectly suited to the role and his scientific background was vital to the senior staff on many occasions.

Phantom-like Menace
04-20-2004, 03:20 AM
For the first time here, I'm voting for a member of the original series, and I'm still not getting my way. I'll vote Hikaru Sulu as helmsman. I've always really liked Sulu, and remember in addition to command ability, he was originally in the sciences. If I recall correctly, he was a physicist, but he may have been a biologist. I do know that he raised plants and knew quite a bit about them, so if he was a physicist, he comes with added botany experience.

For science I would choose Dax, and for operations, I would choose Data, but I'm not sure which of these two choices these characters are strictly in the running for.

As for Janeway, she does appear to have some familiarity with engineering, but she is a hardcore scientist whose specialty in the academy--and for a large part of her early career--was massive compact halo objects (MACHO). Remember, she introduced herself to Paris as being his father's science officer on the Al-Batani. You can take or leave the MACHO reference, because that is from Mosaic, a Pocket Books title, but I would argue for it's being as canon as the information in the Technical Manuals, because Mosaic (and Pathways) were both written by Jeri Taylor, the woman who partially ran the Voyager series, created the Janeway character, and knew more about that character's fictional life than anyone else.

Paris was kind of cool, especially after they made the Delta Flyer.

Droid
04-20-2004, 10:56 AM
Glad to see people agree with me that Data and Wesley both flew the Enterprise more than Ro.

However, I vote Spock for Science Officer and Data for Ops (I must say my Star Trek ignorance is showing here. I'm still not sure I understand what Ops is. Where will he sit on the bridge? :) )

If Data doesn't win for Ops change my vote to Data for Science Officer. If Data isn't in this crew we have all made a huge mistake.

Tycho
04-20-2004, 09:08 PM
That would mean we made an incorrect analysis based on the Data. :D

Tom Araya
04-20-2004, 09:23 PM
I vote....Tribbles

BoShek
04-21-2004, 11:26 PM
James T. Kirk with Archer in second. I actually like Archer's character more, he seems like a nice guy, bu Kirk will always be the man.

BoShek
04-21-2004, 11:39 PM
Sorry I only read the first page!
Pilot: Sulu (TOS)
Science: Dax (DS9)
Ops: Data

Droid
04-23-2004, 04:00 PM
Anyone else want to weigh in on this?

Tycho
04-24-2004, 04:40 PM
OK, Data has definitely been picked to be Operations Officer by a clear majority.

He joins our crew of:

Kirk
Spock
EMH
O'Brien
Data


We have a run-off for Science Officer between Spock and Jadzia Dax. Everyone re-vote for Science Officer between only Spock or Dax.

Sulu is winning our race to see who will be the pilot, but we still need some more votes for pilot. Some of you forgot.

Phantom-like Menace
04-24-2004, 06:33 PM
Dax for Science Officer.

Droid
04-26-2004, 10:48 AM
Spock for science officer.

Arrogant Arse
04-26-2004, 02:11 PM
Logic dictates that I pick Spock.

also. Logic dictates that we haul arse

JediTricks
04-26-2004, 03:03 PM
Spock

and if Wes Crusher can't get my vote, Hikaru Sulu.

Tycho
04-27-2004, 01:32 AM
OK, I think we have enough votes to learn that Spock is going to double as First Officer and Science Officer.

At the helm will be Hikaru Sulu.


Jadzia Dax with her 9 lifetimes of experience does not make our crew (even as pilot, when I think it was Toban Dax was a famous test-pilot). OK...I'm a little bummed.

Anyway, our crew as voted for so far is:

Captain Kirk
Commander Spock, Science Officer
Chief Medical Hologram
Chief Engineer O'Brien
Operations Officer Data


Now let's choose our tactical officer / chief of security.

Pick from:

Malcolm Reed
Pavel Chekov
Worf Son of Mogh
Constable Odo
Commander Tuvok

I bet you there might be some contention here, because Odo is not a tactical officer...Perhaps Worf or Major Kira might be a more suitable DS9 pick, but Worf can get his votes from fans of either show. Kira can be acceptable as a write-in.


In any case, I'll be voting for Worf, Son of Mogh, of the House of Martok!

I love the guy, so what can I say?

His instinct in a fight seems to do better than Vulcan logic. While Odo's abilities make him the perfect security chief because of his invetigative skills, he is no tactical officer. That leaves Tuvok as Worf's main competition - and we already have a Vulcan on the bridge. Worf and Kirk will just have to get along on our crew. (We'll put a Bat'leth rack behind the Captain's chair).

Phantom-like Menace
04-27-2004, 05:39 AM
No Dax?! See what you all did now?

For tactical officer, I too figure there is only one clear choice.

Worf will be the man in charge of tactical. Kirk will have to live with it.

Droid
04-27-2004, 10:23 AM
Alright, I vote Worf. I'll accept Tycho's premise that Kirk can accept it. But David is spinning in his grave (I know he blew up with the Genesis planet, it is an expression. By the way, the Genesis effect revamped a moon or planet, but it did not FORM a planet. How was the Mutara nebula turned into a planet? That always bothered me. :) )

JediTricks
04-28-2004, 08:29 PM
Sulu was originally the guy who fired weapons on the TOS Enterprise, but Chekov was the Tactical officer in TMP and the end of WOK, so that works. Chekov was ok, but nothing special.

Odo I really didn't question, but I also didn't consider him as my choice since DS9 really never had a solid tactical officer besides Worf.

Tuvok was adequate, but never seemed outstanding and oftentimes no help at all. It's no wonder he stayed a Lieutenant for so long.

Reed seems almost as ready to fight as Worf, but Reed has problems accepting changes and issues about his role in the chain of command.

Worf is a very straightforward tactical officer, but has intimate knowledge of the Klingon style of battle - though this has worked against him like 30% of the time on TNG. His behavior is almost uncontrollable and would probably end up court-marshalled after he got in a fistfight with Kirk or ran off the bridge when some new Klingon political issue came his way. Worf was also a little too ready to fight and rarely recognized the need for strategic retreat.

Basically, I'm not going to vote, Chekov, Reed, and Worf are all pretty much adequate choices but none stand out for me.

Hey Tycho, you could have made Worf the DS9 tactical officer and Tasha Yar the TNG officer. ;) I don't think I would have voted for her either though. :D

Arrogant Arse
04-30-2004, 01:19 PM
I have a question, that I'm not sure was addressed. What era will this Ultimate Crew exist in? If the crew has knowledge appropriate for their era, and we mix the officers together, won't that help or hurt each one of the officers? If we mix the Kirk of up to ST:VI in with Worf (who's grandfather was Kirk & McCoy's attorney in ST:VI:D ), we might get a different result then with the Kirk of the end of ST:VI.

P.S. I'll too vote for Worf, Son of Mogh, House of Martok for security/tactical.

I know that this is probably getting this topic WAAAAAYYY off, but the discussion of Kirk "dealing with it" got me thinking.

I also know that I should probably think about more important things than that, but I'm at lunch now.:D

One thing I hope we eventually talk about is what Ship/Station is this crew on?

Droid
04-30-2004, 01:52 PM
I would assume that everyone is the age he or she was on his or her original show. I would assume Kirk is the age he was on the series not in the movies. We haven't established what era it is, but I think we are assuming that everyone has the knowledge necessary to function in whatever time he or she is in and with whatever technology he or she is using. Also, I would assume that if Worf on the crew that it our game takes place in a time period where Klingons can serve on Federation vessels.

Droid
04-30-2004, 01:53 PM
I notice there are no women in our crew. What will Kirk do? :D

Tycho
04-30-2004, 03:10 PM
Heheh. Kirk and Worf will have to learn to love each other... :crazed:


There was no particular era that I had in mind for the ultimate Trek crew. It's more like who you think does the best job, or if you vote emotionally, which one of the officers qualified for a job is your favorite character. I suppose they'd operate with "Voyager / Nemesis" levels of technology, however, any crewman from the NX or 1701-A that you may choose to populate our new crew would just "study up for it."

I think Worf won our tactical vote.

Speaking of women to populate the crew, should we choose a ship's counselor?


Choose from:

Phlox
Leonard McCoy
Deanna Troi
Ezri Dax
Neelix, Tuvok, or Janeway?

I didn't know WHO to put from Voyager. While Joe Doc Holodoc would probably be programmed for aiding the mental health of the crew, it was obvious he didn't... and he is our Chief Medical Officer on our ship anyway.

The CMO on previous starships had a psychiatric background in some cases - McCoy did and I think Phlox does.

But I can't help but think an empathic sense with extra skills in command and diplomacy come to the best use, I'll vote Deanna Troi as ship's counselor.

(Ezri Dax might have all of Jadzia's piloting skills, scientific knowledge, etc., but she's one confused girl who might one day make a good counselor, but not by the evidence we've seen so far (and Garack being her only case we've seen worked through) so I'll trust Troi's experience and inherent abilities over Dax's in this particular field any day).

Phantom-like Menace
04-30-2004, 03:23 PM
Ezri Dax

She won't win, but it'll be my vote yet again to get some form of Dax on our crew.

Droid
04-30-2004, 06:18 PM
Well I really would like to vote McCoy as I want him in the crew and am quite bitter that a computer program won the position. I mean couldn't we just program the holodeck to give us a better science officer than Spock? The holodoc is a program! Oh well, my vote is for Troi. Her empathic abilities would come in handy. Perhaps she and Spock can meld around Ponfar time.

Is there anyone here who doesn't think Kirk will spend half his time fighting Worf and half his time going after Troi?

JediTricks
05-01-2004, 12:38 AM
What the hell, Phlox, Tuvok, Janeway & McCoy as ship's counselors?!? Like Droid, as much as I want McCoy on this ship, he's NOT a counselor. Voyager had a few councelors of sorts, Kes, (who sucked) and Neelix, the ship's morale officer (who also kinda sucked).

Ezri & Troi are the only true counselors on the official list, tho' Neelix probably fits too, but Troi is the clear winner there.

Tycho
05-03-2004, 11:30 AM
Is there anyone here who doesn't think Kirk will spend half his time fighting Worf and half his time going after Troi?


Kirk and Worf will spend ALL their time fighting over Troi!

Tycho
05-03-2004, 11:50 AM
Hey, do you guys think that about wraps it? I think Troi already won, but if other votes for ship's counselor come in, we can always readjust.

So the Ultimate Crew might be:

Kirk
Spock
Holo-Doc
O'Brien
Data
Worf
Troi
Sulu

That's:

ENT: 0
TOS: 3
TNG: 3
DS9: 1
VOY: 1

Most Valuable Never Utilized from:

ENT: Phlox
TOS: Scott
TNG: Picard, LaForge
DS9: Dax, Odo
VOY: Seven

While I voted for O'Brien, I'm slightly leary that we're weak in the egineering department, but O'Brien held it together on the Defiant and that ship saw more combat than any Starfleet Vessel to star in a television series! (not to mention the station). So nah....

Does the Holo-Doc know everything Phlox does about alien medacine - probably. He's sure to have that in his database, I'd guess.

Odo's shapeshifting is undeniably a unique quality we lack on our crew's security capability, but we've been through this: he's no tactical officer.

Spock's skills as a scientist have never been in question. If he can use a database as complete as Seven's, he'd have access to knowledge comparative to that of hers or Dax's. He might lack some of the emotional capability to wager a hunch, or creatively hypothesize, but Seven doesn't do that well herself. Dax is the strongest there. She's tough competition for Spock, but he's been promoted to a Starship Captain, so his command experience is likely superior and necessary while Kirk is off the bridge fighting with Worf or in Troi's quarters.

Speaking of our captain, these days Kirk seems more ethical than Archer - imagine that! He's not as diplomatic or patient as Picard, but he's a stronger presence on the bridge if you're afraid of what an unpredictable hot-headed captain might do with all his ship's phasers trained on target. Sisko is more comparable to Kirk than Picard. But all of them demand the most from their crew with little rebellion on the senior staff, unlike one officer who tends to mother her crew quite a bit. But then you had to like that feeling of family they had on Voyager.

Oh well. Thoughts, comments?

Droid
05-03-2004, 12:20 PM
It was a fun game Tycho. Thanks for setting it up.

Arrogant Arse
05-03-2004, 12:24 PM
Quote: "Voyager had a few councelors of sorts, Kes, (who sucked) and Neelix, the ship's morale officer (who also kinda sucked). "

Didn't Voyager Kinda Suck?

Anyway, isn't Enterprise set in a time Before the prime directive, so Archer doesn't have the choice to follow or disregard it? I thought that in the build-up before the series premier, they (Paramount) said something about that it was a time before Starfleet and the Prime Directive? I could be way off base (actually probably am), but that was my imperssion. As a result of this, it gave a more "old west" feel to the show/characters/situations.

As for the Most Valuable never utilized, I'll vote Odo.

AA

JediTricks
05-03-2004, 05:04 PM
Well, of course it did AA. :D But I have to judge these characters based on who they are, not their shows. ;)


I still say that Trip Tucker would have been a strong, yet unused element to our ship... btw, which ship shall we be setting these adventures on?

Droid
05-04-2004, 10:44 AM
Enterprise D (but we'll add seatbelts)

Arrogant Arse
05-04-2004, 11:32 AM
I'd put the crew on Enterprise-E, The latest and Greatest Ship

AA

Droid
05-04-2004, 03:01 PM
We haven't seen enough of the E to know how great it is. I still vote D.

JediTricks
05-04-2004, 04:49 PM
The Enterprise D is da bomb, but would Kirk be able to captain a ship full of civilians? Ha! Who am I kidding, at the drop of a hat he'd evacuate the drive section and separate to go kick alien arse! Ent-D all the way!!!