View Full Version : Is the paint getting sloppier lately?
04-17-2004, 05:46 AM
With POTF2, Ep 1, and POTJ, there were some specific issues that cropped up from time to time but in general, there weren't a lot of paint problems. Now we're on year 3 of the Saga line and it seems like the more figures I see lately, the more paint slop I come across. Stuff such as eyes being different sizes from each other, eyebrows taking off halfway up the heads, hair bleeding over or being partially unpainted, pupils pointed the wrong way (aka "googly eyes"), you probably know the type. At first I thought it might be just early batches of these figures, but I'm seeing this fairly consistantly throughout the figure's run now.
I do remember some pretty big slop issues with early Saga figures, most notably Kit Fisto, but I dunno, it seems like the slop problems generally don't feel as bad up until about the middle of last year, and then started growing and growing from there.
04-17-2004, 10:09 AM
I know what you mean. Kit had that huge brown spot on his face, Lott Dodd looked like he smoked a blunt, Janus Grejatus looks like he saw a ghost and Dooku with lightning his eyes look like he is autistic. I have a Yoda withg out one fingernail painted also. Hasbro needs more consistency in their paint jobs. Wasnt there 2 different colored Fetts POC? Ridiculous.
04-17-2004, 10:32 AM
I know what you mean. Kit had that huge brown spot on his face, Lott Dodd looked like he smoked a blunt, Janus Grejatus looks like he saw a ghost and Dooku with lightning his eyes look like he is autistic. I have a Yoda withg out one fingernail painted also. Hasbro needs more consistency in their paint jobs. Wasnt there 2 different colored Fetts POC? Ridiculous.Yes there are 2 different POC Fetts, but that seems to be a intentional variant.
04-17-2004, 08:52 PM
Yes, I've noticed it too. I posted about some of my views on this on JT's other thread about the bad face sculpts. The biggest offenders of recent finds for me are the Lars Homestead Padmé (I bought a second one online to display with the cloak on, and her eyebrows take up most of her forehead, not to mention the thin wash of her skintone paint) the Mace Windu from the Jedi High Council set with his staring orbs, and the Passel Argente from the Geonosian War Room set which out of the number of sets I saw had brown applied to his face in ranges from sparing amounts to looking like he'd been hit in the face witha chocolate cream pie. Shu Mai seemed to have eye problems in many of the sets I saw ranging from being cross-eyed to wall eyed to one dilated pupil and one pin-prick pupil.
I remember the first figures I noticed paint problems on (beyond the obvious accidental brush slips where a spot of hand paint bleeds onto the sleeve) were Adi Gallia who had mismatched eyes on several of the ones I saw (I didn't end up with a decent one until she was remaindered in quantity at $1.98) and the Ep. 1 Yoda which had varying shades of green on his face. Between then and now, I can't think of any other big blunders, so the quality control was more effective before now.
04-18-2004, 09:27 PM
Glad to see I'm not the only one who's finding it to be this way. I remember when Kit Fisto came out, at least 1 out of every 4 had significant paint issues no matter when it was made, and at that time it seemed unusual. Now it seems to be the norm for the line.
04-18-2004, 11:00 PM
Yeah I've noticed this. The materials for the figures and the paint apps have really been going down, it's sad..of course by the materials going down I mean it literally. Most accessories today are like rubber bands. I hope the qualities go up for Episode III, this is getting pretty annoying.
04-19-2004, 01:07 AM
Maybe this is the way to keep cost down :rolleyes: since the oil prices keep rising but kid allowances and peoples salaries don't :mad:
04-20-2004, 12:10 AM
I hope it's not a cost issue, they're dumping a lot of coin on packaging like wider bubbles, clear-bands, and pose-oriented more-complicated trays (not to mention those relatively unpopular stands).
Besides, sloppier paint to save a buck ends up driving buyers away, which then costs them more money in the overall.
04-20-2004, 04:01 AM
Again, I completely agree with you. Every single paint defect you described, I could probably name dozens of examples of my figures or figures that I've seen in stores.
I remember on April 23rd 2002, the paintjobs were absolutely atrocious. I mean, I even saw a Jango Fett with Abraham Lincoln facial hair, (beard but no moustache) I kid you not. And don't even get me started on the Red Clonetrooper. I think the first batch of SAGA figures absolutely sucked as far as the paint application goes. But it doesn't seem to have improved.
I recently bought Darth Maul Theed Hangar Duel. It took me ages to finally find the best one (out of dozens) and even mine isn't perfect. Check yours and tell me if yours is painted even close to good. I know Darth Maul has a complicated facial design but how long has Hasbro been making figures?
Luke Skywalker - Jabba's Palace. Great sculpt but the paint sucks. The hair isn't painted well. The eyebrows aren't straight. And his face is somewhat dirty. This isn't just mine, every one in the store was like that.
And get this, that was the 2nd time I looked for Luke Jabba's Palace. The first time I looked, the store only had 2 in stock and the paint jobs on both of them were so bad that I didn't buy one. I chose to wait till I could find it elsewhere. And even when I did find it elsewhere, the paint job wasn't great.
Check your Anakin Skywalker - Hangar Duel. You may have got a good one but really doubt that. Take a look at the hair around the ears. I bet it's not painted correctly. Whenever I've seen this figure, there have always been parts of the hair around the ears and sideburns unpainted. And I don't think I've seen one with good eyebrows.
I remember when I was picking mine. I was looking through them. I saw onw where there were flesh coloured paint slops all over his shoulder where his Jedi braid is. I saw another with red paint all over his tunic where his pouches had been painted. I saw others with just slops on the face. Slops on his uniform. I was shocked at how bad the quality actually was. It's really damn hard to find a good figure with a good paint job these days.
I've listed a few examples, some very recent and some from the very first saga batch. I would say that SAGA has been consistent. It's been consistently sloppy with the paint applications. It really annoys me. I find it hard to like a figure when the face is all messed up because of paint slop. I honestly can't count the number of times I've had to get a pin and try and scrape slop off my figures.
I would rather they take more time and care on their paint applications than rush them out. Heck, I wouldn't mind if they were a little bit more expensive. I love Star Wars. I'm a loyal fan. I've been buying Star Wars figures on and off all my life and I expect good quality figures for the money that I pay.
Bad paint jobs are my biggest gripe with Star Wars figures. Hell, I will even put up with stupid, annoying, ridiculous, unnecessary, figure-ruining action features just as long as the sculpting is top notch and the paint job is great. (Bespin Duel is my favorite Darth Vader figure.)
Come on Hasbro, please sort it out for Episode III. I want to be able to go into a store, see some Star Wars figures and know that I'll be able to get a good quality product. A well painted, accurate miniature version of my favorite character that really looks like the character it represents.
04-20-2004, 02:14 PM
Wanted to add another point.
I know that no line of action figures will ever be perfect. I know that with an action figure line, there will always be the odd bad paint jobs. But the problem with Hasbro is that it seems like figures with bad paint are in the majority.
I mean, like I said, when I bought Darth Maul - Theed Hangar Duel, there were dozens of this figure in the store. I examined every one and they all pretty much sucked. I got the best one I could and it's far from perfect.
Same with Luke Skywalker - Jabba's Palace. It should never happen where a collector goes into a store searching for a figure that they have been excited about for over a year, only to find 2 figures... both of them with such bad paint jobs that the collector doesn't buy one.
04-20-2004, 04:50 PM
I agree this is a huge problem.
I have not opened the Ozzel I bought because I hope to return it for a better pained one. His eyebrow paint runs into his eye. The paint from his collar goes most of the way up his neck. I bought a second Bail Organa because the eyes were painted so poorly on the first one I bought.
04-20-2004, 05:36 PM
There have always been bad paint apps, you just had to look hard enough and catch things you may have past up. It does seem like now you don't have to look hard at all. I have not been satisfied with the paint apps on any of the new figures I have gotten this year. At times I have "chipped" away extra paint blobs with an exacto, or rubbed them off with nail polish remover, OR touched some paint up myself. At Hasblow, quality is job 1....hundred thousand.
04-21-2004, 12:48 AM
I saw a Dodonna today, the damn thing had a faint black line running up the left side of his jaw from his neck to his nose. What the hell was THAT?!? Usually paint errors are like googly eyes or eyebrows taking off or mustaches having problems (and that's just on the Dodonna figs I've seen lately :D) but this one was way left-field.
Trymybestus, I've seen so many funked up Maul Hangar Duel figs lately, in fact, I've not seen ONE done right yet. Lots of messy Luke's, I picked mine as the best but it still has hairline issues. My original Ani Hangar Duel was so bad I had to buy a duplicate, I figured I'd just return the first one that looks like a friggin' mongoloid, but I lost the receipt. And how many Yodas have we seen with crossed eyes?
04-21-2004, 01:55 PM
You mean that Yoda does not have lazzy eye? :eek: :crazed: :crazed:
04-21-2004, 02:07 PM
Just try finding a decent regular clone trooper! I mean there was paint splatter all over the place! Kidhuman, you should take your figures and put them online and list them as "rare variants." That would be hilarious. To take this a step further, if anyone did want to get their figure professionally graded (I use the term very loosly) the paint job on the figure would detract from the overall grade. Right?
04-21-2004, 04:23 PM
Lots of talk about a figure being "mint on card" with no damage done to the packaging, BUT MINT with a figure that has an obvious paint screw-up should decrease the overall score, OR are we just grading the PACKAGE ITSELF so the figure inside can look completely terrible!! What are we collecting, packages or figures?
04-21-2004, 04:27 PM
Well, it was news to me to learn that they were now grading on three categories, card-blister-figure. How long have they been doing this? If this true, don't expect any of your prequel figures to grade too high.
04-21-2004, 07:20 PM
You mean that Yoda does not have lazzy eye? :eek: :crazed: :crazed:
Actually, in ROTJ he does have a lazy eye near his death scene, but that's somehow different. :D
That grading question is good, and they should grade on the paint quality I suppose. That'd really put a kink in that type of collecting though, but perhaps put a little extra "hunt" into the game for that type of collector. I wouldn't dig it m'self tho'.
04-21-2004, 11:01 PM
I've seen so many funked up Maul Hangar Duel figs lately, in fact, I've not seen ONE done right yet.
I'm happy to say that my Maul Hangar Duel figure, which I bought yesterday, has a fantastic paint job. I would even go as far as to say that he iss the best Maul I own. :D
04-22-2004, 10:42 AM
When I found Dengar last week I noticed that all three that were available in the store had remarkably different paint schemes on the head over where the bandaged part comes close to the right side of his face. There were differing shades of brown and gray. I don't know why I let it bug me but I was there for a couple of minutes trying to decide which one I liked better. I mean, come on, it's just friggin Dengar! Not like a kick-A figure that we've been wanting forever.
I could just about overlook paint problems if Hasbro switched back to the more rigid plastic. The stuff that gets made now is way too flimsy and fragile. Bad paint job + flimsy crap + pi$s-poor distribution = why bother.
04-24-2004, 01:23 AM
That Dengar figure is a killer fig though. I've seen like 4 or 5 at retail in the past few weeks, all of them have the head wraps paint problems you mention, they're ALL different too, and they ALL looked like they were sneezed into place without any care at all. I mentioned that and the figure's dark, thick face scar paint in my review yesterday. I'm getting so sick of warning readers to watch for paint errors that are common to any specific figure in my reviews, I think of all the reviews I've done for SSG in the past 6 months, I can't think of a single figure that didn't get that warning for SOMETHING.
04-24-2004, 04:22 PM
[QUOTE=JediTricks]Actually, in ROTJ he does have a lazy eye near his death scene, but that's somehow different. :D
Well maybe Hellsbro is using those same eyes for all the yoda figures :crazed: .
On a serious note, all of the figures are going to have mistakes let's face it we collect figures that are mostly made in China by people that can't aford (sp) the luxury of blowing the amount of money we do on "toys" so why would they even care what they look like they only care about how many they can produce even if they end up looking like S***. (IMO)
04-24-2004, 06:37 PM
Both Gold Leader figures I found had sloppy paint. I too find it frustrating when we wait so long to get new figures, only to find them and pass due to poor quality. I'm hoping the figure that comes for me from down south will be a good one. The paint difficulties that I notice are usually on the human characters, the aliens and droids seem to be more forgiving of these errors.
04-24-2004, 10:40 PM
That is true JJ, most of the sloppiness comes on the humans. The droids all have good paint jobs and most of the aliens are superb. You would think it would be harder to mess up a multi-colored droid/alien than a human with a single skin tone.
05-04-2004, 06:43 PM
I just picked up a case of wave 6 at EE and what a disapointment when I got to Han the paint was sooooo sloppy that it made me cry. his hair was not painted the eye were painted in the most horrible way
05-04-2004, 08:25 PM
So your Han is basically bald? :beard:
05-04-2004, 09:26 PM
loks like Donald Trump :crazed:
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