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Tycho
05-10-2004, 07:34 PM
This thread strongly applies to Classic Star Wars, but perhaps we'll touch on prequel stuff.

Let's get to it:

X-wing Fighter - the SW staple, the F/X retool that's been called Dagobah or Red Leader's X-wing now is fine I guess. But it's totally offscale to all the other vehicles, while on-scale to the figures. So where do we take the X-wing?

1) re-release this thing with custom stickers to let you make a squadron with the wing decales of any pilot you choose (Porkins, Antilles, Darklighter, Skywalker, etc. - with or without battle damage or swamp gunk on it).

2) re-do the 1978 X-wing toy again, to keep it in scale with the other vehicles.

Well, they're really doing both of these things it seems. I could hardly care without New Jedi Order pilots like Jaina Solo and Coral Skip vehicles for the new X-wings to fight.


Y-wings - being re-released. It is not to scale with the figures or the F/X X-wing mold. The basic 1983 version is being repainted. Do people want a new larger one? How important is that to you?


A-wings - being repainted green. It's out there. Do people still want these? Do people care? Are kids buying these? I think this ship is actually to scale, is it not?


B-wings - not to scale if I'm not mistaken. Aren't they larger than X-wings? So then a new B-wing should be larger than the F/X X-wing. That'd be pretty big, and I could care less if they did it. A human pilot figure to replace the vintage one still could be done, but I'd rather see him carded then packed in. Anyway, the B-wing is the only Rebel fighter that is not available out there in some form or another (or has no current plans to be). Do you guys want this ship sent out again? Do you all have enough? Should they re-release the old one so that new kids can make a Rebel Fleet?


TIE Fighter - the re-release is coming, and the old improved sculpt is still at my KB Toys. TIEs should have been more available for years, but at least in recent times, Hasbro gave us the other versions of the Sienar Fleet Systems fighters used by the Empire. But the ship is not to scale. TIEs are larger than X-wings, and as seen in the trench run scene in the movie (ANH), a scale TIE Fighter would be pretty huge. If we start re-doing our fleets, this will effect every TIE version. Do we want that?

Personally, I don't want to redo my fleets. I'm happy with the ships I have, in the quantities I have (must have 6 TIE fighters from 1995). I love vehicles, but I'm much more interested in craft that we've never had the opportunity to buy before!

TIE Interceptor - a great ship, but the same applies to the TIE Fighter. Does it get remade super-sized? (to actually be to scale). This ship I don't recall seeing a lot of at retail, but then I don't shop Toys R Us a lot for my Star Wars - Walmart and Target always seem to get stuff first. But I only wanted 2 interceptors, and I'm done with them. What do I need more for?

TIE Bomber - again :rolleyes: only this ship would actually be super-huge. The bomber side hull component is also used as a boarding vehicle. The stuff on the front of it is docking tackle that can be used to couple with and cut open any hatch so that stormtroopers can spill out of it. On regular bombing runs, probably either an automated payload is in there, or a 2-man crew (on the non-pilot side). For a squad of stormtroopers to fit in there, the ship to scale would have each of the main hull portions on the body being as large as Hasbro's AT-AT toy's main body section. The TIE Bomber's a nice ship, and also a more recent release. But who needs it redone and costing like $100 bucks to make it accurate in size? What good would that do?


The Escape Pod - definitely needs a re-do and to be made larger! Too bad it's such a recent release, but it definitely could have been made nicely to scale. I'd live if they never did this, and play-wise, the Deluxe C-3PO's is fine, but then again in real play, you might evacuate your Rebel Fleet Troopers and on the "real" Tantive IV, don't you think the lifepods fit 4 or more refugees per ship? That thing could look cool on a larger scale.

Luke's Landspeeder - it's fine. They could re-release this for a cheap toy for the kids. The latest exclusive one was painted nicely.

The Jawa Sandcrawler. The one being done is a piece of vintage nostalgia, and since the Sandcrawler is not an exactly crucial vehicle to play SW with, it's not imperative it is made to scale. However, that would be nice. I plan to buy this either way. A scale one would be about as large as Hasbro's current AT-AT toy that's been out. So I'd like to get a sandcrawler as planned, but even if I did, I'd still ALSO buy a scale version and just use them in different scenes.

The Outrider - actually in SW ANH now, this ship could be redone to be to scale - making it about the size of the actually released Millennium Falcon now. The ship's a cool design, and more interior with real gunwells would be great. That silly "b-wing" conversion system, if real even in the SW universe, would make it the most expensive custom ship seen anywhere in SW. Let's drop that and concentrate on a good sculpt with smuggling compartments, a working boarding ramp, etc. I WOULD buy it. Would you?


The Millennium Falcon - this one is already being re-released with a couple of touch-ups to make it "new," but in NJO Han paints it black to camouflage his ship, and the toy never was the right scale anyway. A good one would cost $250 - but I'd be willing to buy it. For the 3 3/4" figures, it'd be about the size of the big ones they hung in TRU during 1997's promotions. But at that scale you could have cargo bays, concussion missle tubes, 2 gun turrets located on opposite sides of a real gunwell, crew quarters, and much more - not to mention a 4-seat cockpit. The Falcon is the best candidate for the ultimate redo.

Snowspeeders - there is some argument whether this vehicle was made to scale or if it should be SMALLER? They could re-release it, but I did like the firing harpoon gun even if that was offscale. Not my favorite ship, I don't care too much, but speak up if you want a snowspeeder or think you need a new scale for one.

AT-AT - I'd love a scale one - holds 24 troops in the back with stabalizer seats, plus 2 speederbikes! Can really step on a snowspeeder and cover it with its foot. Has an access tube the figures can walk through from the troop carrier to the cockpit. Room for 4 or more in the front control center (also a Vader hologram). They could do an AT-AT really nice. I'd likely buy it. With the rerelease of the driver figure, I imagine that Hasbro might want to re-release the old mold again, so new kids in the hobby can get this great piece. (It won SSG's Battle of the Machines against just about everything for best vehicle as voted by the fans around here!)


Rebel Transport - if they could spiff this once-released-vintage ship up, they could re-release it. A scale one would be way too huge IMO. Any ideas for spiff-ups are welcome.


Boba Fett's Slave-One - the Jango mold they are using is an awesome toy. I'd still like to see another one, perhaps larger, with a cool play interior including a lot of expanded universe stuff like the sleeping bunks, prisoner cages, etc. If the weapons could be placed in realistic positions authentic to the movie, that might be cool. This ship would sell if redone larger. In the meantime, as long as we are discussing it, I wouldn't mind seeing the old Boba Fett Slave One (that came with Han Carbonite) being re-released too, but repainted in Jango's colors for the landing ramp scene "Boba! Get on board!" However, if you still don't have Boba Fett's ship, the repaint of Jango's will be seriously nice looking and available soon.


Twin Pod Cloud Car - we need it. It could easily be done. A retool with firing missles to simulate the laser blasts would be cool if well-hidden. They make the pilot figure now - so what's the hold up on the vehicle? I definitely think it needs missles. It's just too boring without some play feature and that's why Hasbro's been scared to market it.


Desert Skiff - are there folks out there who never got this? A decent toy, it could be re-released as is. It would have been nicer to get a larger version and I'd guess I'd support a resculpt. The thing is, it wouldn't be too much larger than what we have already got. About the size of my desk computer's printer I'd imagine. The current skiff is about 3/4 that size already. The extra room would just benefit spacing for more displayed figures.

The Imperial Shuttle - It's available if you look online I guess. I'm not sure how easy it is to get, or if anyone out there still wants one and can't get it for any reason (other than price). A scale one would really be huge, especially if you're thinking of matching it up to its escort TIE fighters. I might buy that piece, but I have a vintage and a re-release shuttle and am pretty happy as such. Chime in on any dissatisfaction you might have with the availability or quality of this toy.


The AT-ST about wraps it up for Classic ships. Everything's almost all been made. The scoutwalker could stand another release, perhaps made of sturdier plastic on the legs. But it's possible to resculpt that better to scale and have a 2-seat cockpit. That might be cool. You could add launching anti-personnel missles to the side of the head which fire much like Jango's ship does. That'd be cool. Yeah, I'd buy it. Anyone still looking for the old one? How would a new mold sell? At $100? How would the re-release do in light of the Trilogy coming to video?

Oh - Speederbikes. The new molding being issued with the Clone War stuff actually seems more accurate. Releases with Super-Articulated Scout Troopers, Luke's and Leia's could be warranted (especially removeable helmets for the rebels), and these'd make awesome ultra figures. Why not? I'd buy them to get the figures though I don't need the vehicles. But Hasbro will have to end the super-wide hips on the speederfigures, and created SA figures that ride the bikes well. Is that too much to ask for?


Ah...let's talk prequels quickly. (Stuff already made)

Droid Fighters - re-releasing these made out of much stronger, hard plastic, or releasing single-packed ones that transform would be great. I think the scale is correct, though they might've needed to be like 1/4 bigger.

AAT Tank - it's been re-released for Clone Wars. An awesome vehicle, I think it might be just under scale. They could release this one more time as it is I think.

N-1 Starfighter - this is cool the way it is. Removeable R2-socket action? Might be cool. Add a ladder and a clear stand to simulate repulsorlifts?

Naboo Royal Starship? Probably good to go the way it is. Would a re-release sell? A scale one would be huge and a waste.

Anakin's Podracer - fine the way it is. If they re-release it, new podracers not made before would make sense. They could repaint it all grungy looking, as before the race, when Anakin first testfires the engines in the back of the slave quarters.

Sebulba's Podracer - ditto. The flame thrower on the side opposite his drill would be cool and add authenticity though. You could redo the whole thing and make it so it "explodes," but I'd rather they do other characters' racers before they redo Sebulba's or Anakin's.

Darth Maul's Sith Speeder - it's perfect and might sell in a re-release. I wouldn't change anything here.

Zam Wessel's Speeder - uh, a little bigger would've been better - also if the doors worked the way they did in the movie (like a Ferrari Testarosa's). But I think we're too late for that. Still available at KB toys, we don't need to do anything with this toy here.

Anakin's Coruscant Speeder - see above.


Obi-Wan's Jedi Starfighter - it's fine. A blue Clone Wars one (didn't they make green?) could be OK for those recreating everything in the cartoon series.

Owen Lars' Swoop - perfect. Loose the bad Anakin figure and you have a winner. Could stand a re-release with a new figure.

Jango's Slave One - discussed above. A re-release of the 1980 mold painted with Jango's colors instead might be cool. Again, a large scale resculpt with detailed interiors would be awesome! You can now sell this vehicle twice any time - just repaint it.


Republic Gunship - the toy is huge as it is (wingspan causes it to need to bank just to get though a couple of my doorways), but it is not to scale. A large one with speederbike storage and accurately scaled side-gunners that could seat Clones would be welcome, especially in light of seeing this vehicle in heavy use in the prequels. Perhaps a way into the cockpit from crew compartments would be welcome as a play feature. I don't know.


Hailfire droid - repainting the missles not so bright of orange, but to match the movie color scheme? The droid is not exactly a vehicle, but it's seriously cool and could just stand another release without a lot of damage.


Geonosian Fighter - the ship's not that exciting, but it's added missle features hide nicely while "make it that much more exciting" if you're trying to entice kid buyers. This vehicle's available now.

Dooku's speederbike. A nice set. It could continue releasing as it is now.


So where does that leave us?

Kidhuman
05-10-2004, 08:38 PM
DAMN Tycho, thats alot to read. To answer a question you had, Yes they are people(at least 1) who didnt get the Skiff.

I would love to see a scale Falcon and AT-AT. They would have to be huge. Also Rebel Transport would be nice. You left off the ISD. That is one I would buy with out question. I would sell a kidney on Ebay for that bad boy.

Tycho
05-10-2004, 08:54 PM
Whats an ISD?

mtriv73
05-10-2004, 09:30 PM
Imperial Star Destroyer

mtriv73
05-10-2004, 09:35 PM
I really wish we could get a Y-wing that's closer to the scale of the F/X X-wing. I'd settle for longer struts and a little wider wing area (as long as it came with a removable r5 unit.) We really need the twin pod cloud car. I don't care if it is the vintage mold, just update the paint a little. Finally, I'd like to see a tie fighter with taller wings. Nothing huge, just in scale with the existing TIE body.

Tycho
05-10-2004, 10:14 PM
Imperial Star Destroyer

Oh, well these are resculpts we're talking about. Kenner/Hasbro never made a real Star Destroyer before. True they had that 80's playset, but I don't know what it looked like - not an ISD - that's for sure.

bigbarada
05-10-2004, 10:37 PM
I would love a larger AT-AT, although I don't know if correctly scaling it would be feasible. We're talking about a toy that's over 5 feet tall!

I think about 3 feet (roughly 1 meter for any of you metric people out there) would be the most we could hope for. Although, Hasbro could redesign the entire vehicle to fit 2 AT-AT Drivers and General Veers in the head without making it much bigger than it is now (it seems to me that most of the mass of the vintage AT-AT head was needed to house the motor that made the guns move back and forth. So without that motor there is no need for that horribly misshapen head.)

I've dreamed about a correctly-scaled Falcon since I was a kid and if, against all odds, Hasbro were to actually make on, I would gladly pay up to $300 retail for it.

A correctly scaled TIE Fighter would also be cool, but I am kind of in the same boat as you Tycho, I have already invested too much money into creating a fleet of the current TIE Fighter toys and don't really like the idea of having to start over from scratch.

dindae
05-11-2004, 12:45 AM
I for one am not to worried about the scale issue. While I do love the new X-wing and it makes my old '95 X-wing hide in shame, I don't see the need to start back and redo everything. The exception to that is the Falcon. I would love to see a vast improvement. I was very disappointed in the new revamped falcon. I would love a cockpit I could seat 4 in, a game table with two seats, how about a pit that mechanic chewie could go in and fix the falcon. This is the ultimate of all spacecraft. Other than that I would like to see a twin pod cloud car.

amidalak
05-11-2004, 12:51 AM
personally, i hope we don't see a to-scale version of the falcon, as it would be too darn expensive and too darn big. however, 3 inches added to the length, width, and depth, having 4 seats in the cockpit, and having the entire top come off of a new mold would be perfect. pack in the OTC "vintage" SA han and chewie, figure probably about $100 price, around christmas time for the 30th anniversary, sounds perfect for collectors and might just be the Christmas toy every kid has to have (if the hasbro/star wars marketing team ever got their heads out of their backsides!) as far as the rest of the previously released ships go, i think they are fine for their retail prices, so resculpting them isn't something i'd be interested in. since i have all of them that i want, re-releasing them isn't all that important to me, either.

plasticfetish
05-11-2004, 02:00 AM
So where do we take the X-wing?
1) re-release this thing with custom stickers...
2) re-do the 1978 X-wing toy again...
I like your #1 idea a lot. That's what this last TRU deal should have been. Should have come with a droid instead of a pilot, and then re-do or reissue all of the pilots on single cards. As for the '78 X-wing -- I'm kind of looking forward to this OTC boxed version to add to my collection. I never bothered with keeping a POTF2 version boxed, 'cause you can't see it anyway. The old version is near and dear to me for what it is.

Y-wings - being re-released.
I love the Y-wings and I'm not hung up on scale issues with these. As far as this new paint job that we're getting goes -- it doesn't look very good to me at all. (But it's early yet, so who knows.) I'm sure there's plenty of people out there that missed the first one, so another release wouldn't be terrible.

A-wings - being repainted green. It's out there. Do people still want these? Do people care?
I'd say that's it for the A-wing. Both versions that we got were great, but any more would be too much.

B-wings - not to scale if I'm not mistaken. Aren't they larger than X-wings? ... Do you all have enough? Should they re-release the old one so that new kids can make a Rebel Fleet
This is the one ship that I hesitated to pick up, and missed it. I wouldn't mind a reissue of this one. Again, scale isn't a big deal with me for this one.

TIE Fighter - the re-release is coming, and the old improved sculpt is still at my KB Toys.
KB needs to mark these down to $20 now. I wanted one to have loose but $30 is too expensive. I'm probably going to buy one of the OTC boxed versions to keep packaged. I don't care about scale issues for this one either -- it's just not important to me when it comes to these toys.

TIE Interceptor - a great ship, but the same applies to the TIE Fighter. Does it get remade super-sized?
Could be reissued, but leave it the same size. Keep it cheap also, so don't include a figure... just distribute more carded TIE pilot figures.

TIE Bomber - again ... a nice ship, and also a more recent release. But who needs it redone and costing like $100 bucks to make it accurate in size? What good would that do?
No need to redo this one. Probably too soon to put them on the shelves again also.

The Escape Pod - definitely needs a redo and to be made larger! Too bad it's such a recent release...
I agree, but I don't see it happening now. I like the smaller one well enough, so It's not a big deal, but bigger would have been better. If they wanted to do it, they would have by now.

Luke's Landspeeder - it's fine. They could re-release this for a cheap toy for the kids. The latest exclusive one was painted nicely.
I agree, the last one was great. I don't think they'd put this one out again too soon though.

The Jawa Sandcrawler. The one being done is a piece of vintage nostalgia, and since the Sandcrawler is not an exactly crucial vehicle to play SW with, it's not imperative it is made to scale.
I agree. I want the one as planned, with Jawas and a droid. Super. Hopefully it won't end up being too expensive though.

The Outrider - actually in SW ANH now...
Yes, I'm afraid it is. Don't care about this one.

The Millennium Falcon - this one is already being re-released with a couple of touch-ups to make it "new,"...
I'm gonna wait and see, but I think this next version is going to be fine and I'm assuming that it's also going to be our last shot at this one. I don't see Hasbro (maybe some other company farther down the road though) taking another "better" go at this one.

Snowspeeders ... Not my favorite ship, I don't care too much, but speak up if you want a snowspeeder or think you need a new scale for one.
Yeah, either way for me too. I wouldn't mind a reissue in OTC window box, but I doubt it'll happen.

AT-AT - I'd love a scale one ...They could do an AT-AT really nice. I'd likely buy it. With the re-release of the driver figure, I imagine that Hasbro might want to re-release the old mold again, so new kids in the hobby can get this great piece.
I could see this happening on a really limited basis, but then again I really doubt that anyone would commit to another $100+ vehicle like this. The AT-ST I could see being re-released maybe. I'd grab one if it came out now.

Rebel Transport - if they could spiff this once-released-vintage ship up, they could re-release it.
I'm kind of surprised that they aren't hitting this idea up now.

Boba Fett's Slave-One - the Jango mold they are using is an awesome toy. I'd still like to see another one, perhaps larger, with a cool play interior including a lot of expanded universe stuff like the sleeping bunks, prisoner cages, etc.
I'm gonna buy the new one for the kid, but I'm also fine with my old one. As for interior stuff, that's where I'd like to see some play sets.

Twin Pod Cloud Car - we need it.
Yes... yes we do.

Desert Skiff - are there folks out there who never got this?
I'd assume that there's plenty that still want/need this. Put it out without a figure now, making it a bit cheaper and it'll go fast.

The Imperial Shuttle - It's available if you look online I guess. I'm not sure how easy it is to get, or if anyone out there still wants one and can't get it for any reason (other than price). A scale one would really be huge, especially if you're thinking of matching it up to its escort TIE fighters. I might buy that piece, but I have a vintage and a re-release shuttle and am pretty happy as such. Chime in on any dissatisfaction you might have with the availability or quality of this toy.
Should have never been as expensive as it was. I still don't have one, but I lost interest a while ago. I think this idea is done now.

The AT-ST about wraps it up for Classic ships.
Oh there it is... yeah, I'd buy the old version. I don't see a better more expensive version working out in general (again, maybe someone else can take a shot at it some day.)

Oh - Speederbikes. The new molding being issued with the Clone War stuff actually seems more accurate. Releases with Super-Articulated Scout Troopers, Luke's and Leia's could be warranted.
Yeah, with new figures for sure. Though the soft plastic used on the clone bikes really annoyed me.

Droid Fighters - re-releasing these made out of much stronger, hard plastic, or releasing single-packed ones that transform would be great.
I agree, but I don't see them doing these again. Unless they're in Episode 3.

AAT Tank - it's been re-released for Clone Wars. An awesome vehicle, I think it might be just under scale. They could release this one more time as it is I think.
I'd assume that they're done with this one. Still a few floating around at TRU.

N-1 Starfighter - this is cool the way it is. Removable R2-socket action? Might be cool. Add a ladder and a clear stand to simulate repulsorlifts?
With removable droid -- yes. But I doubt they'd do this one again. (Should, but won't)

Naboo Royal Starship? Probably good to go the way it is. Would a re-release sell? A scale one would be huge and a waste.
NO, I don't think a re-release would sell. I got mine for $10 on clearance, but wouldn't have bought it otherwise. It's cool, but probably too much of an investment for people in general.

Anakin's Podracer - fine the way it is. Sebulba's Podracer - ditto.
I don't see them going back at this one again.

Darth Maul's Sith Speeder - it's perfect and might sell in a re-release. I wouldn't change anything here.
I liked this one also, but I don't think they'll take a chance at reselling this one. Didn't these end up on clearance?

Zam Wessel's Speeder
This one's done. All things Zam are still peg warming in a big way.

Anakin's Coruscant Speeder - see above.
Again... done.

Obi-Wan's Jedi Starfighter - it's fine. A blue Clone Wars one (didn't they make green?) could be OK for those recreating everything in the cartoon series.
I'm a sucker for this vehicle. I like it. They made that blue/green one that wasn't out very long -- I missed out on it, and I'd buy a yellow one if they did it. Anakin's fighter is cool. I suppose it all depends on what's coming out for Ep. 3.

Owen Lars' Swoop - perfect. Loose the bad Anakin figure and you have a winner. Could stand a re-release with a new figure.
Yeah, a new figure... like Owen! I skipped that old one 'cause of Anakin, but I wanted the bike.

Jango's Slave One - discussed above. You can now sell this vehicle twice any time - just repaint it.
I agree that they could get away with putting this out any time, pack it with a Jango or Boba figure and it's good to go. I don't see them doing the old ('80s) version again though -- no reason.

Republic Gunship.
These are still warming shelves, I figure it's done. They'd never bother with a remodel either.

Hailfire droid - ...but it's seriously cool and could just stand another release without a lot of damage.
Still being cleared out at Target... cool though. Maybe come Ep. 3 if it's in the movie, they could try and repackage it. I doubt it though.

Geonosian Fighter
I'd assume they're done with this one. Probably something new coming for Ep. 3 anyway.

Dooku's speederbike. A nice set. It could continue releasing as it is now.
Didn't see enough of these the first time. I wasn't impressed with the Dooku figure, but I could see these selling if they put it out again.

So where does that leave us?
In general, I don't see them putting out new versions or re-releasing much or any of the prequel stuff -- until long after Episode 3 anyway. I don't think we'll get any drastic upgrades to any of their already established ships from now on either. I'd assume that they might take a crack at re-releasing the various TIE ships, maybe an AT and probably the B-wing at some point. Other than that, I'd suppose that they're going to be gearing up to put this line to bed once the last movie is long past. I kind of figure that once the three prequel movies have been out and then perhaps put out as a "very special" box set, then maybe they'll come back and try to reissue some golden prequel items. We might see the N-1, a pod racer, Jedi Starship or the Republic Gunship again... but who knows?

arctangent
05-11-2004, 06:53 AM
scale doesn't really bother me that much with the vehicles - to make them bigger would mean they would be so expensive it wouldn't be worth hasbro's while. however the small panels on the tie fighter have always bugged me a bit. they don't really need to be the correct scale but bigger would be nicer.

we definately need a twin pod cloud car and the sandcrawler would be nice but i really really would like darth maul's sith infiltrator. i am surprised this was never made give the number of maul figures hasbro made.

Tycho
05-11-2004, 12:20 PM
True about the Sith Infiltrator, that and the Gungan Submarine, plus more podracers almost top my list for vehicles never made before.

But the AT-TE and the large Spider-Walker Droid are so necessary to complete the Clone Wars.

Yet this thread is not about vehicles they haven't made: Jabba's Sailbarge begs to be realized in plastic!

This thread is about re-releasing or improving upon vehicles we already have.

As it stands, a few vehicles are no longer available to new collectors, thus showing a limited market for them in the DVD release year:

No plans exist at the moment for

The B-wing
TIE Interceptor
TIE Bomber
Luke's Landspeeder
The Outrider
snowspeeder
AT-AT
desert skiff
AT-ST
Anakin's podracer
Sebulba's podracer
N-1
Droid Fighters
Royal Starship
Sith Speeder

Almost all of us have this stuff - plus anything not listed in this post is still available someway, somehow - as is most of the stuff ON THE LIST, only at online vendors. So arguably you could add the Imperial Shuttle on to the list above, since kids can't buy it in stores.

So the vehicles listed above could be intermitently offered on the shelves to new collectors or those of you who never bought the stuff listed above and want it now, or they could do approximately 5-10 new vehicles we've never seen made before - almost all prequel craft:

AT-TE*
Large Spider-Walker Droid*
Sith Infiltrator*
Gungan Bongo Sub*
Jabba's Sailbarge
Cloud Car*
Sandcrawler*
Ody's Pod
Gasgano's Pod
Teemto's Pod
Dud Bolt's Pod
Quadrinaro's Pod
Mars Guo's Pod
AT-TE Drop Ship*
MTT*

These vehicles above, plus new starfighters, an AT-PT, and other possible E3 vehicles are still good picks from the crop (especially the ones with the "*")

Lazer Brain
05-11-2004, 12:25 PM
what is Owen Lars' Swoop????
is there another discription
thanks

dindae
05-11-2004, 01:20 PM
what is Owen Lars' Swoop????
is there another discription
thanks

It's the swoop Anakin rides in episode II. They released it as Anakin's but technically he borrowed it from the Lars'.

Tycho
05-11-2004, 01:23 PM
Anakin's swoop bike. In spite of what Hasbro labels it and who used it in the movie, the bike didn't belong to Anakin, it belonged to the young Uncle Owen.

Kidhuman
05-11-2004, 05:45 PM
Or did it belong to Clieg?(however you spell his name?)

Dark Marble
05-12-2004, 02:37 PM
Great List Tycho,

I don't want to worry about getting vehicles "to scale" at this point. The newer and larger X-wings are great and I would take a larger Tie Fighter but that is about it. I have also invested lots of time and money in my vehicle collection. I have 4 of every tie so far (saga tie, interceptor, bomber) and I couldn't imagine having to replace everyone. I have already replaced several vehicles besides X-wing including POTF2 Ties and the vintage Interceptors plus Luke's speeder. Doing it for Y-wings and B-wings and skiffs ect, would be a major pain.

I love it that Hasbro is always working to reinvent the wheel so to speak but lets not go wild. I am the type of collector that wants the most accurate up to date versions in my collection and it would be too expensive to start over from scratch every few years. So I would take an "ultimate version" of the Tie Fighter and new speeder bikes but not much else. What a pain. :bored:

Tycho
05-12-2004, 03:55 PM
So what do you do with your "old ships?"

For me, I see them (the 1st editions) as sort of a sentimental piece of collecting history. The '95 x-wings still have great sound effects (I have the batteries left in one of mine) - and the snowspeeder made cool sounds, launched a harpoon, etc.

I don't blink when they come out with re-releases, improvements etc.

I think I have:

5 regular X-wings (1 DS Trench, 1 Coruscant, 1 Dagobah, 2 Endor)
2 Y-wings (1 Yavin, 1 Endor)
2 A-wings (1 Endor, 1 Executor)
1 B-wing (1 Endor)

3 Millennium Falcons (Alderaan System, Coruscant, Bespin)

6 TIE fighters (2 DS Trench, 4 Endor)
2 Interceptors (2 Endor)
2 Bombers (1 Tantive IV, 1 ISD Chimera)

3 Boba Fett Slave-Ones (Tatooine, Coruscant, Kamino)
2 Jango Fett Slave-Ones (Kamino, Geonosis)

3 Snowspeeders (Hoth)
1 AT-AT (Hoth)
6 AT-STs (4 Endor, 1 Coruscant, 1 Hoth)

It's all very specifically planned out. I don't really need any more for anything. And I certainly don't want extras sitting around.


The scene I'd most like to do with new vehicles is with CORAL SKIPPERS and YUUZHAN VONG PILOTS fighting X-wings with Jaina Solo, and Chiss Clawcraft with Jagged Fel, and maybe Han Solo in a black Millennium Falcon. That could look sweet!

But there's no reason to believe Hasbro will ever make New Jedi Order stuff unless they're smarter than we give them credit for.

Dark Marble
05-13-2004, 02:43 PM
For the most part, I just trade them in for different stuff. I had 3 POTF2 X-wings that I gave away to some kids after I got 4 of the saga X-wings which is now 5 because of the red leader version and I traded my vintage interceptors away for the new ones. But some of my collection goes like;

4 Tie Fighters (Saga versions) 2 trench 2 Shuttle
4 Tie interceptors (Because there are 4 Ties)
4 Tie Bombers (see above)
1 Darth Vader (there can be only one)

2 Shuttles (Emperor, Endor)
2 Slave I (Shadows and AOTC) Will replace shadows version with OTC
3 AT-AT (2 POTF and 1 vintage) for endor or Hoth
4 AT-ST (2 endor 2 Hoth)

3 A-wings (2 red 1 green)
2 B-wings
5 X-wings
2 Y-wings (will get new version)
4 Snowspeeders

2 Falcons (1 ESB 1 POTF2 (for ROTJ)) Will get OTC for Star Wars

And I won't go any further. I think that we have both invested a lot of time and energy in our Fleets Tycho. And I am with you, if a new "improved" version comes out, I will most likely trade up (tragic character flaw) but I would rather not. And for the limits of space and just being picky I usually ditch my older outdated vehicles either by trade-in or giving them away for the new stuff. I love collecting but it is still an expensive business and much of what we have is just fine. Could it be better ALWAYS, but that doesn't necessarily mean it must be. Great thread Tycho, a lot to think about here.
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Tycho
05-13-2004, 09:33 PM
There is indeed a lot to think about.

Now I don't own ANY of the larger version of what was originally the F/X X-wing.

I assume by the way you described your scenes, you might hang your ships together (2 TIES on the shuttle, ready made squadrons, etc.)?

Doesn't it bother you that your Y-wings and B-wings should both be larger than your 5 x-wings, but they are not?

Scale is really the only reason I won't buy the larger x-wing.

I know that they wanted to improve it - as the x-wing is second to the main hero ship of the Classic Trilogy (the Falcon), but they must realize that kids and display-collectors alike want to use these ships together - that's the whole point of an accesorizable toyline.

But all the ships are thrown off by that huge x-wing.

Devo
05-15-2004, 10:30 PM
"Fleet" building? Jaysus. I couldn't ever do that, all my star wars toys are restricted to my bedroom, densely packed on the shelves. I couldn't feasibly buy multiples of any particular vehicle.

Though I do have the POTF and POTJ snowspeeders, POTF and POTJ AT-STs, and POTF and Saga TIE fighters and about 6 speeder bikes. I once considered buying a second Republic gunship (and they were going cheap) to hang over my Arena diorama but its such a big vehicle I thought if I bought a second one I might be forced to make some sacrifice in the future. I won't be buying the OTC Falcon despite the cool engine.

I prefer vehicles to be in scale with figures rather than other vehicles - since its in land-based dioramas that I display mine. They have a hard enough time balancing the acceptable and the absurd when it comes to vehicles and figures let alone vehicles and vehicles. In an ideal world certainly a scale AT-AT/Snowspeeder would be cool - but unless they make it in composite pieces sold seperately or unless you build it from scratch yourself I can't see it coming to be.

Some of the presently undersized vehicles could conceivably be redone provided they don't have to exceed the size and corresponding pricetag of huge (though also undersized) toys like the Royal starship and AT-AT. I'd root for a redo of the AT-ST in scale with the figures - it would be about as tall or slightly smaller than the current AT-AT, no? And the Desert Skiff could also do with being bigger - I'd say about the same dimensions as the B-wing toy. The other case that springs to mind is the AAT - that should have been made to scale and it wouldn't have been ridiculously huge. Any release of a Rebel Transport would preferably be a new mould as the last one was the wrong shape.

B'Omarr Monkey
05-16-2004, 09:35 PM
I'm not a stickler for the scale thing. I like that they made the X-Wing more to scale, but thought the original version was just fine, and I'd be more likely to buy more of them (with stickers for customizing them as "Red 2", etc.) at $20 than at $40. For me a scale X-Wing, or Y-Wing would be like buying a less expensive version of one of those prop replicas they were selling years ago. the smaller, lighter vehicles make more sense for playability.

I'd love to own a scale version of the Millennium Falcon, but at 6 feet in diameter, where would anyone put it. I'd rather have the one available, plus a playset or two of the interior that is to scale.

AT-AT and Sandcrawler, same thing, where would we put them? Plus, how much would it cost hasbro to ship these to stores? Two of them would use up all the available shelf space, then none of us would see them.

I do like the repainted, redetailed snow speeders and A-Wings. I don't feel like such a chump for buying a second one if it doesn't look the same as the original.

I'd like to see the podracers again, and feel that these are actually the easiest things for Hasbro to make at scale. The pods are already at scale. they just need to make bigger engines, and perhaps longer coathanger pieces to connect the pods to them. they wouldn't even have to cost more.
But again, I didn't mind the smaller scale, and I'd rather have new pods and pilots. These seem like very reasonably priced vehicles for Hasbro to offer. I don't know why they don't.

I never found the TIE Interceptor, or the AOTC bikes, so I'd gladly take those if reoffered. I lucked out on the skiff, but wouldn't mind seeing this again either.

I'm probably in the minority on thinking that The Outrider was a cool looking vehicle that was lamely incarnated in plastic the first time around. I'd take a new version, knowing perfectly well, we're more likely to see a scale version of The Executor first.

The one vehicle I'd love to see offered again is the Imperial Troop Transport vehicle from the vintage line. That was my favorite as a kid. I still think of it whenever I watch ANH and Ben and Luke find the blasted Sandcrawler, thanks to the EU story that came with the vehicle.

Devo
05-17-2004, 04:42 PM
I agree with B'omarr RE: the Falcon. A scale version is a wet dream - playsets of the interior are the best we could expect.

Also they'll never go with the composite sections sold seperately idea. Hasbro create each item with the intention that it might sell on its own merits. A correct scale "AT-AT foot and lower leg" wouldn't sound exciting enough for them.