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Turbowars
05-28-2004, 06:33 PM
The buyers must be crazy or they are playing a joke on the seller. What do you guys think?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=2476&item=5900795112&rd=1

AFA graded or not this is too funny, or is it disturbing?:confused:

Reefer Shark
05-28-2004, 06:48 PM
It's disturbing... Gotta be a joke or something.

Rocketboy
05-28-2004, 06:59 PM
There are always those "Gotta have it first, no matter what the cost" people.

sith_killer_99
05-28-2004, 07:02 PM
Not even the VOTC Han...hehehe

Somehow I don't think Cloud City would let a "joke" like this slip by.

Turbowars
05-28-2004, 07:06 PM
There are always those "Gotta have it first, no matter what the cost" people.Yeah, but why Commtech Han?? They are selling the newish Scout as well and that would be worth more than the Han.

AmanaMatt
05-28-2004, 08:41 PM
Wow, that's a lot of dinero for a fig that came out years before...



...always a sucker born every minute.

Jay86
05-28-2004, 08:54 PM
Repackaged COMMTECH Han Solo = $200+ :confused: :crazed: :rolleyes:



......yeah, that definitely sums up my thoughts on this.......

Rocketboy
05-28-2004, 10:58 PM
Yeah, but why Commtech Han?? They are selling the newish Scout as well and that would be worth more than the Han.Well, there are plenty of really dumb people out there...but it's probably bogus.

Kidhuman
05-28-2004, 11:53 PM
At that price I am glad he is coming in the case I ordered. :beard:

B'Omarr Monkey
05-29-2004, 12:55 AM
You mean you don't think I should have bid? :D

Seriously, $200!! I could put a really big dent in picking up the stuff I'm missing for that. The pegs around here are clogged with HOF Hans, which I'm sure will still be on the pegs when that one hits stores.

Another thing, take a close look at that one. the paint job on the face isn't even that good.

dindae
05-29-2004, 02:11 AM
The only possible rationalization is someone gets really excited over having the perfect figure. Since 90 is the highest grade AFA gives out, I can only assume that is the reason. Still far too high for me. Like B'Omarr Monkey said I could do some damage on the items I missed.

plasticfetish
05-29-2004, 04:21 AM
At first I thought it was a prank, but the bidders have solid feedback ratings. The rest of this guy's auctions are going for a bunch also.

Spirit Obi-Wan for $90+
Yoda for $80+
Jedi Luke for $75+
Leia for $60+

And then he has a bunch of other ones as a "buy it now" $35.

Seriously, is an AFA "90" worth that much more than an AFA "85" grade?

Crazy.

sith_killer_99
05-29-2004, 09:47 AM
Since 90 is the highest grade AFA gives out, I can only assume that is the reason.

Actually U-100 is the highest grade they give out, there is one on Ebay right now:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=2476&item=5901339076&rd=1


I agree, $200 for any figure is insane, even a FF Weequay, which is why I only have the Canadian version. ;)

dindae
05-29-2004, 11:53 AM
d'oh my bad

Hellboy
05-29-2004, 01:24 PM
The whole AFA thing is such a joke if you ask me. I would never buy anything graded by them because I don't believe in supporting or even recognizing what they do. This is a perfect example of how dumb and unnecessary the whole idea is, driving up the cost of a figure for no good reason. :stupid: :greedy:

sith_killer_99
05-29-2004, 03:29 PM
I disagree, AFA has a place in the collecting community, though I admit, it would be best if they stuck to vintage figures only. I am all for an independant company capable of sorting out the high quality repros and re-seals, plus collectors can't always see an item in person, this gives peace of mind to buyers. Though like I said, they are best served in the vintage market.

I tried them once and their cases are nice, plus the cost isn't much more than the cost of a regular case.

Turbowars
05-29-2004, 04:30 PM
I didn't intend this to turn into a AFA pros and cons, but so be it. Killer is right about the use of AFA in the Vintage lines, but it's pushing it with the modern line. Personally I have no use for their service and think it's a joke to pay some a hole to grade my figures. If I ever get to collect 12 backs, it would be nice to know for sure that a card is really a C8 or C10, but until then AFA can KMA.

Kidhuman
05-29-2004, 05:29 PM
I gotta agree with Turbo gand SK99. AFA has a limited place in the collecting community. Vintage is fine, but when everything and its mother gets graded it gets ridiculous.

B'Omarr Monkey
05-29-2004, 10:59 PM
Yet another reason why I'm glad I'm an opener.

:D

Deoxyribonucleic
05-29-2004, 11:45 PM
There are always those "Gotta have it first, no matter what the cost" people.

yup, you said it. That's the first thing that went through my mind when I saw it. I guess if you've got the cash to flop down on it, then so be it. Some rich people are extremely bored and may get their only pleasure from getting these things before everyone else...hehe ;)

jedimarvin
05-30-2004, 09:48 AM
I think AFA is a joke as well. However as long as there are sellers out there who don't send thier figures to AFA, I'm fine with it. Afterall, I wish I came up with the idea to charge people to let me grade thier action figures. An evil idea but a good one none the less.

It does boggle the imagination though how someone could justify spending $200+ on a $5 figure that will be released in a couple weeks. Oh well.

Deoxyribonucleic
05-30-2004, 12:39 PM
It does boggle the imagination though how someone could justify spending $200+ on a $5 figure that will be released in a couple weeks. Oh well.

I know! It's easier for me to wrap my mind around the fact that space is expanding...expanding in to what, I don't know...but something, even it is nothing it is expanding into. I'm ok with the fact that there might be a big nothingness on the edge of the observable universe, I can really understand it and feel good about it but for the life of me, I can't understand WHY someone would do that (pay 200 for a 5 coming out in 2 weeks) :confused:

Kidhuman
05-30-2004, 02:45 PM
Its so they can come to the boards and say they got it first. Guess bragging rights has its price. :beard:

Kidhuman
05-31-2004, 04:26 PM
It closed out for 816 dollars. What a tool. :greedy: :greedy: :sur: :speech: :rolleyes: :beard:

Turbowars
05-31-2004, 04:51 PM
Excuse me while I change my shorts. Cloudcity just made a killing. Now they just have to collect.

MagusPSU
05-31-2004, 05:15 PM
You know, I find this all vaguely familiar. It reminds me of the comic book market during the 90's. You had tons of books with special holo cover this and deluxe polybagging that. You had people who did sports and collector cards coming into the fold thinking they were going to make a tidy sum because some guy's Action Comics w/ 1st Appearance of Superman went for so many thousands of dollars. The reality was that the books were far from rare and had no intrinsic value as a collectable other than it might have had a #1 slapped on the cover.

Mind you, I don't think the action figure business is going to go bust like the comics market did but are there people that think OTC Han carded with this high, arbitrary rating is going to be worth the $800 paid for him? If so, I have some prime swamp land in Florida I'm looking to sell.

evenflow
06-01-2004, 12:15 PM
That is just sick. Whats wrong with people. At least if it would have been a new figure, still sick even if it was.

Deoxyribonucleic
06-01-2004, 01:55 PM
I just don't think this is real! I don't want to believe, can't believe even, that human beings can be that stupid!

Darth Alex
06-01-2004, 04:17 PM
While it's a free country, even $20 for the OTC VS Han should be too much, and paying $200 is just a sign of brain damage.
I can go get this figure at any of 3-4 stores right now near me and if you gotta pay that much just to get new packaging before everyone else you are demented.
$200 would gas my car or feed my family...man, that is just insane.

Turbowars
06-01-2004, 07:48 PM
Yeah well it was at 200, but went for $800+!!!

I e-mailed CloudCity and Ron said this,

We are as surprised as everyone else. As far as we know, there is nothing special about this figure other than it hasn't reached retail stores yet.



Ron Wallace

Director of eCommerce

Cloud City Collectibles

3290 Green Pointe Pkwy

Suite 100

Norcross, GA 30092

(678) 291-9242 x307

ron@cloudcity.com

dindae
06-01-2004, 09:38 PM
I think I will get all my figures graded and email the winner and see if he is interested. I figure at half price ($400) I could get $200,000-$250,000 then I could buy it all back for $5,000-$10,000, pay off the house, take a couple years off work, .......

B'Omarr Monkey
06-01-2004, 10:03 PM
I feel faint just thinking about all the toys I could buy for $816.00. That's way more than all the Ep. III figures, beasts and vehicles we're going to see at the end of next April will cost, by quite a bit.

Has anybody emailed the winner to ask him/her what they were thinking?

Deoxyribonucleic
06-01-2004, 10:05 PM
Heyyyyyyyy, this just hit me! :glasses:

I wonder if the person thought it was an old vintage (1977) Han Solo. What with all the OTC and the VOTC and vintage this, vintage that...people who don't know exactly what they are doing could get confused easily.

Just a thought to try to explain the outrageous amount of money spent on this item.

Hellboy
06-01-2004, 10:12 PM
I wonder if the person thought it was an old vintage (1977) Han Solo. What with all the OTC and the VOTC and vintage this, vintage that...people who don't know exactly what they are doing could get confused easily.


I thought of that too but I think it stated pretty clearly that this was a "new" figure.

My question is why start the bidding at $200 if you know the figure isn't worth that much. I don't know anything about Cloud City but maybe they bid on it themselves to create false hype. :confused:

Jay86
06-01-2004, 10:16 PM
I thought of that too but I think it stated pretty clearly that this was a "new" figure.

My question is why start the bidding at $200 if you know the figure isn't worth that much. I don't know anything about Cloud City but maybe they bid on it themselves to create false hype. :confused:If they bid on their own item then they're as good as gone as far as having an eBay account goes....thats about the last thing you'd wanna do if you want your company to look good, and Cloud City's a pretty good company, as far as I'm concerned at least. I think the truth to the matter is that we're all going to have to continue sitting and staring in awe and amazement at the fact that someone actually spent nearly $1000 on a repackaged COMMTECH HAN SOLO figure with a fancy little case and a sticker proclaiming how its never been circulated and whatnot.

And Im not sure if its the price it sold for that amazes me or the fact that it started out at .99 and ended up selling for $816 or whatever.....either way, its just ridiculous.....

Bobby Fett
06-01-2004, 10:17 PM
[QUOTE=Turbowars]Excuse me while I change my shorts. QUOTE]


:D Excellent! Does Turbowars have a way with words, or what? :D

I'd like to see a copy of the price list the buyer was looking at.

But, on the bright side, we can expect to see ads like this in the future: "OTC Han - Originally $816.00, now only $4.77!"

Turbowars
06-01-2004, 11:05 PM
[QUOTE=Turbowars]Excuse me while I change my shorts. QUOTE]


:D Excellent! Does Turbowars have a way with words, or what? :D

I'd like to see a copy of the price list the buyer was looking at.

But, on the bright side, we can expect to see ads like this in the future: "OTC Han - Originally $816.00, now only $4.77!"

Thank you thank you, I'll be here all week.:D

Got to love what you said about the 816 now only 4.77:p

mm74md
06-01-2004, 11:09 PM
Well, aparently the high bidder paid. Feedback has been left....


http://cgi2.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=neotoys

Thank you for an easy, pleasant transaction. Excellent buyer. A++++++ Seller wwwcloudcitycom( 2255) Jun-01-04 11:19 5900795112

Turbowars
06-01-2004, 11:13 PM
I was just going to post that mm74md. I can't believe it was a real buyer. The dudes a wealthy idiot.

Kidhuman
06-02-2004, 08:36 AM
Idiot is right. ANyone who would buy this for that price deserves to be shot.

dindae
06-02-2004, 08:44 AM
Can't imagine the feeling of buyers remorse he will feel when he sees this at Wal-Mart pegwarming continueing to mock him. :eek:

JEDIpartner
06-02-2004, 09:37 AM
People can be absolute morons.

evenflow
06-02-2004, 09:51 AM
I think its legit. Doesn't make it right though.

bobafett07728
06-02-2004, 12:22 PM
We are also forgetting that OTHER people bid ont his as well !!!!!! Yeah, he won the auction at $800+, but had to beat someone out to get it !!!!! Its hard to believe there was a "bidding war" for this?!?!?!? Maybe I should just send my case straight to AFA before I open it, there is obviously someone else out there willing to pay a few hundred bucks for a ridiculously unneccessary repack. . . :crazed: :crazed: :D

Kidhuman
06-02-2004, 12:29 PM
Maybe I will take a different approach to your idea boba. Just send the doubles to AFA and get my money back plus more to get other cases. Its not a bad idea when you think about it.

Val Da Car
06-02-2004, 12:35 PM
as PT Barnum said

"There is a sucker born every minute" or " A collecting fool and his money are soon parted"

with this I think I will open everyone of my figures in protect.....nevermind variants, packaging or any of that!!!

Free Them all from their plastic prisons!!!!!

Deoxyribonucleic
06-02-2004, 12:49 PM
has anyone emailed this guy/gal to see why they paid so much for this figure?

just curious. maybe I'll do it when I get home from work tonight. this truly is one of the worst auctions I've seen. tsk tsk

Kidhuman
06-02-2004, 12:50 PM
If you do get a response, post it. It should be funnier than a Weequay Jedi.

Dr Zoltar
06-02-2004, 02:54 PM
I emailed the winner of the auction. Here is what my email said:


Dear Neotoys,

I don't normally do this, but this auction (#5900795112 Star Wars OTC Han Solo AFA U-90) has caused quite a stir on a number of Star Wars collection web sites such as GalacticHunter.com, Rebelscum.com, and SirStevesGuide.com.

A lot of the forum members are wondering why this item would sell for over $800. If you wouldn't mind, would you be willing to email a reply why this figure is worth $800+ to you?

If you choose to not answer my email, I can respect that as well. I do respect your privacy and this will be the only communication I send regarding this auction.


I will post his response if he sends me one.

Kidhuman
06-03-2004, 12:11 AM
Awesome good doctor. Now lets hope he responds.

Deoxyribonucleic
06-03-2004, 02:08 PM
If you do get a response, post it. It should be funnier than a Weequay Jedi.

do I sense sarcasm?? lol lol ;)

Way to go Dr. Z

I actually forgot about it until I saw this thread again this morning. Here's to hoping he/she replies!

Kidhuman
06-04-2004, 01:27 AM
do I sense sarcasm?? lol lol ;)

Ding DIng Ding. Lightbulbs appear. :p :beard:

Deoxyribonucleic
06-04-2004, 12:41 PM
Any replies yet Dr. Zoltar??

Dr Zoltar
06-05-2004, 01:58 PM
Nope. I think the buyer wants to remain anonymous. I did tell him that there are threads on several sites dedicated to this auction, so I'm certain he's aware this is a hot topic.

jjreason
06-06-2004, 04:05 PM
I think I have a theory. I've made some "misbids" on ebay before, usually as a result of being in a rip to snipe something. If you entered, say, "10,99" instead of "10.99", the bid used to go in as $1099.00. I've had to retract two bids as a result of doing this - thank God I paid enough attention to see that my max bid was 100x what I was willing to pay!

I believe that people out in cyberspace have software that will allow them to see what the leading bidder's max bid is. If they saw an inordinately high bid, and kept raising someone to make a fool of them (and make them responsible for a stupidly HUGE purchase), that would be a dirty but risk-free trick. I once emailed a guy who had paid $47 bucks for a loose POTJ Bespin guard - he advised me that this is what had happened to him.

Kidhuman
06-06-2004, 05:13 PM
CHeck the bid history JJ. Nothing like that happened. People were paying huge bucks for this bad boy. They buyer knew what they were doing. Even waited 3 days to bid again.

Date of Bid Bid Amount User ID
May-30-04 14:01:20 PDT US $816.00 neotoys( 212)
May-27-04 15:00:03 PDT US $806.00 havick27( 159)
May-30-04 14:00:45 PDT US $750.00 neotoys( 212)
May-30-04 14:00:14 PDT US $675.00 neotoys( 212)
May-30-04 13:59:16 PDT US $500.00 neotoys( 212)
May-29-04 15:03:52 PDT US $260.00 andrealynette( 33)
May-27-04 11:45:01 PDT US $252.00 havick27( 159)
May-29-04 14:45:23 PDT US $250.00 andrealynette( 33)
May-29-04 14:41:37 PDT US $240.00 andrealynette( 33)
May-29-04 14:41:25 PDT US $230.00 andrealynette( 33)
May-29-04 14:41:05 PDT US $220.00 andrealynette( 33)
May-29-04 14:40:51 PDT US $215.00 andrealynette( 33)
May-28-04 12:16:39 PDT US $205.00 andrealynette( 33)
May-28-04 12:16:30 PDT US $200.00 andrealynette( 33)
May-28-04 10:36:43 PDT US $190.00 andrealynette( 33)
May-27-04 14:36:13 PDT US $185.00 andrealynette( 33)
May-27-04 14:34:33 PDT US $180.00 andrealynette( 33)
May-27-04 14:34:19 PDT US $175.00 andrealynette( 33)
May-27-04 14:34:07 PDT US $170.00 andrealynette( 33)
May-27-04 14:33:47 PDT US $165.00 andrealynette( 33)
May-27-04 14:33:32 PDT US $160.00 andrealynette( 33)
May-27-04 14:33:16 PDT US $155.00 andrealynette( 33)
May-27-04 13:33:16 PDT US $150.00 andrealynette( 33)
May-27-04 13:33:04 PDT US $130.00 andrealynette( 33)
May-27-04 13:32:49 PDT US $125.00 andrealynette( 33)
May-27-04 04:55:37 PDT US $120.00 andrealynette( 33)
May-27-04 04:50:35 PDT US $90.00 andrealynette( 33)
May-27-04 01:05:54 PDT US $82.00 havick27( 159)
May-27-04 04:50:25 PDT US $75.00 andrealynette( 33)
May-27-04 04:50:15 PDT US $60.00 andrealynette( 33)
May-27-04 04:50:04 PDT US $50.00 andrealynette( 33)
May-26-04 19:57:03 PDT US $29.74 zzsh003( 122)
May-25-04 16:42:44 PDT US $12.00 conkistador( 659)

jjreason
06-06-2004, 08:02 PM
Okay, theory quashed (thanks, KH :mad: :D ).

How common are the "U" designated AFA figures? Do they grade a certain few direct from cases to allow a few extra elitist collectors a small number of chances at these? I know in the comic field they're starting this monkey business - sending comics direct from the printers to CGC for grading (I think they're calling them Wizard Firsts or something stupid like that) so they don't ever see the stand or shop or whatever. I think they jury's still out on whether or not these will command a premium over the regular graded books, my guess is they won't. A perfect 10 is a perfect 10 as far as I'm concerned, and I'm rather certain the majority would feel the same way.