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stillakid
07-08-2004, 03:36 PM
Call me old fashioned in my thirties, but please everybody, enough with the abbreviations. Just what the hell does HOF in front of an action figure mean? What about VOTC? Seriously, if you miss a few posts or are just new to the hobby there is almost no way to figure out what people are talking about half the time.

It's bad enough that we have a "Saga" line, a "Clone Wars" line, and the new "Original Trilogy Collection" line. It'd be nice to see a normal everyday Star Wars line and call it a day. But please try to not confuse the collecting experience by dropping in your own secret decoder ring terminology. Thanks! :)

JEDIpartner
07-08-2004, 03:38 PM
HOF = "Hall of Fame"
VOTC = "Vintage: Original Trilogy Collection"

jjreason
07-08-2004, 03:48 PM
Stilla - I'm an old codger of 32 myself, but even I can tell it's the bees knees to be hip with the lingo, Daddy-O. :crazed:

Typing "ORIGINAL TRILOGY COLLECTION" and "ORIGINAL TRILOGY COLLECTION - VINTAGE PACKAGING" 1000 times a week requires way to much manual dexterity for these old crippled-up hands. That's it for me today, I'm off to take my shark cartelage :D .

Kidhuman
07-08-2004, 04:23 PM
Exactly JJ.I much rather type OTC, VOTC, OT, PT,HTF, HOF, MOC, MIB, and so on than the entire words over and over again.

plo koon 200
07-08-2004, 09:26 PM
I don't think that was his point. I think he was saying can't come up with a line and just call it Star Wars. Enough with the code names.

Jedi_Master_Guyute
07-08-2004, 10:13 PM
I agree. It'd be pointless to type that out a billion times, to the abbreviations are really necessary. I mean, c'mon Stilla, gotta get with the times daddio!! Maybe you are just getting too old. Next thing you know, you'll be waving a broom at kids yelling, "get off my lawn!" and telling them to "turn down their loud music." Get with the program, Gramps!! :crazed:

stillakid
07-09-2004, 04:51 AM
I don't think that was his point. I think he was saying can't come up with a line and just call it Star Wars. Enough with the code names.


Yeah, kinda that. I mean, it makes perfect sense for the Animated series figures to be a different "line" with different packaging. But seriously, for everything else, it's pointless. I mean, really, what was the real difference between Saga and Clone Wars? Or between Power of the Force and Saga? Nothing...nothing at all. They're all just figures in little bubbles on cardbacks. The size didn't change and the basic look didn't change. The only pertinent information a collector needs to have is when and where a "wave" will be released and what is in it. When this whole thing started up again in the 90s, my collection lived and died by the wave listings that SSG and other sites compiled. I knew essentially what was coming out when and where to get it. I could have cared less about the "line" it was from or whatever. Who cares? Once the figures come off the cards, they all look the same anyway. But now, it's less about the "waves" and all about the "lines." I think Hasbro is trying to confuse us out of the business. And now, with SSG discontinuing the standard Collector's Database (at least for the time being), I thank goodness for the KEBco One of Every Figure Club. Without a checklist to follow from here or elsewhere, I'd be sure to miss out on upcoming releases. Collecting shouldn't be this much work...

dindae
07-09-2004, 08:01 AM
The whole point is so they can go to the retail buyers and say "Hey we go a new line of Star Wars with new spiffy packaging". Remember how Wal-Mart said no more Deluxe figures then Hasbro said look we have a new line called Ultra. I still can't believe Wal-Mart fell for it. The packaging change also helps people non collectors realize "Hey there is something new out".

JEDIpartner
07-09-2004, 09:17 AM
Watch out for Old Man Stilla! ;)

stillakid
07-09-2004, 10:08 AM
Watch out for Old Man Stilla! ;)

Get off my lawn! ;)

JediTricks
07-09-2004, 06:02 PM
The whole point is so they can go to the retail buyers and say "Hey we go a new line of Star Wars with new spiffy packaging". Remember how Wal-Mart said no more Deluxe figures then Hasbro said look we have a new line called Ultra. I still can't believe Wal-Mart fell for it. The packaging change also helps people non collectors realize "Hey there is something new out".
Good post, I was just about to say the same thing. Plus, having just "Star Wars" isn't very descriptive, is it from the movie Star Wars or the classic trilogy or the whole SAGA? And there are already plenty of items in the stores called Star Wars, wrapping paper, Lego, video games, trading cards, etc.. Personally, as long as the toys remain the same and the price remains reasonable, I don't care what they're called so long as I can find 'em and open 'em.

stillakid
07-09-2004, 06:28 PM
is it from the movie Star Wars or the classic trilogy or the whole SAGA?

I was being a tad facetious with the "Star Wars" comment. I do understand the need for differing "lines," such as having a clear delineation for something like the Animated Series. But going back a few years, just what did Power of the Force mean aside from being a nebulus sort of title? Something like "Saga" makes sense if they are going to do everything like that during a certain period. But that was mixed up with "Clone Wars" which doesn't really say much in terms of what film characters we're going to get. I'd just as soon they continue with the movie name on the side of the card indicating which film the character came from and maybe change the rest of the card art to reflect each movie. So instead of having one big "line" which could potentially include everything from every movie, have one main "line" with 6 or more different kinds of cards which match up to the movies and other ancillary things, like the Animated Series.

I mean, I haven't gone researching it yet, but I haven't a clue what Hall of Fame even refers to.

JediTricks
07-09-2004, 08:23 PM
Kenner's Power of the Force line was an attempt to merge all the movies into one line without calling it "Return of the Jedi". "Star Wars" at that time was much more highly recognized as the first film's title alone so it wouldn't have done. Plus, POTF1 was going to try to reach beyond the films with EU toys, but SW had run out of gas at that time. 10 years later, Kenner (now owned by Hasbro) basically just tried to pick up where they left off, the toys don't actually say "POTF2" on 'em after all.

Clone Wars was its own separate line from Saga (again, you never saw the "Saga" name on the toys, did you?) and meant to encompass only what was within the Clone Wars EU storyline that was passing through the multimedia at the time, not dissimilar to SOTE. I'm probably not telling you anything you don't already know, but the point is still made, CW exists because it was separate from Saga, it could enhance or be enhanced by Saga but was different.

As for having a big line that contains different cardbacks for each film, that hampers brand recognition for the retailers and their customers. The Saga v2 line was the best way to do that, big borders that say what film they're from but each card ensuring that the pegs look uniform and recognizable as Star Wars toys.


Oh, and HOF figures are simply the Saga name for "older figures that are being rehashed because they're great versions", they even exist outside the Saga numbering system.

jedi-cpa
07-10-2004, 11:38 AM
Just wait, I'll bet the next will be XOTC

X-TREME!!! OTC. Where it'll be the same old vigures on new packaging which will X-Tremely **** off us collectors. Thus X TREME!!!!

JediTricks
07-11-2004, 11:44 PM
XTREEEEME!!! XOTC will simply be the '95 figures all over again, ripped buff steroid abusers. :D They'll repaint Luke & Leia so that their legs will have fleshtoned paint to make it more XTREEME! Classic R2 will now have a huge horkin' rifle and a chainsaw, and 3PO will have karate chop action and twin holstered pistols. :evil:


BTW, it's not that I don't understand the issue of the thread here, I just hate typing "Power of the Force, 95 and on" instead of "POTF2", so I expect that anybody reading my posts will have enought basic knowledge to catch the mass-accepted acronyms, and if not, they can ask since I (and probably half the users here before I saw it) would be glad to explain what they mean.

stillakid
07-11-2004, 11:51 PM
BTW, it's not that I don't understand the issue of the thread here, I just hate typing "Power of the Force, 95 and on" instead of "POTF2", so I expect that anybody reading my posts will have enought basic knowledge to catch the mass-accepted acronyms, and if not, they can ask since I (and probably half the users here before I saw it) would be glad to explain what they mean.

Perhaps a running list of the popular abbreviations could be posted as a "sticky" in the collecting area of SSG? :sur:

bigbarada
07-27-2004, 03:50 PM
A lot of the confusion is Hasbro's fault. If I asked, "Have you seen the new Han Solo?" You'd have to ask, "Which Han Solo?" because there have been four of them released in the past month alone!

So we have to break up the lines into easy to describe categories. I had no idea until recently that Hall of Fame (HOF) and Original Trilogy Collection (OTC) were actually different toy lines. And how do you differentiate the OTC Han Solo from the other OTC Han Solo? Well, one comes on a vintage style package, so we attach a "V" for vintage to the beginning. Thus everyone knows that when I say "The VOTC Han Solo is the greatest figure ever!" that I am not talking about the umpteenth rerelease of the Cantina Han on the OTC card. So no one has to call in the men in little white suits with the straight jacket.

It's not really our fault, we're just trying our best to deal with this convoluted mess that Hasbro has dropped in our laps.

Kyle Katarn
07-31-2004, 03:26 PM
I think that we need abbreviations to know which figure are we talking about, you might also call them by their original name but I'm too lazy to say: Vintage:Original Trilogy Collection Han solo 3 times in the same post I prefer saying VOTC.