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Jek Porky 2002
09-22-2004, 10:53 AM
Hello guys, long time no speak!!

When watching the DVD's I noticed one or two changes, these are the ones I have noticed so far:-

Jabba The Hutt in ANH has been with replaced with the greener Jabba from TPM.

When Ben is trying to get the Death Star's tractor beam out of commission the writing that used to read "Tractor Beam" has been replaced with the shapes that we are used to seeing in Star Wars.

The Emperor in ESB has been replaced with Ian McDiarmid and also the dialog as been slightly altered.

Boba Fett is now voiced by Temura Morrisson, so he now sounds like Jango in AOTC.

At the end of ROTJ we now see the celebrations on Naboo in addition the the ones we already saw on Tatooine, Bespin and Coruscant. The Coruscant skyline has been altered also, you can now see the Senate building and Jedi Temple in the distance.

Most obviously the Spirit of Anakin Skywalker now appears as Hayden Christensen in Episode III rather than Sebastian Shaw.

Have I missed any more?

Beast
09-22-2004, 11:16 AM
ANH:

The very first shot of the Landspeeder entering into Mos Eisley Spaceport has been tweaked. The landspeeder is now much more photorealistic, and I believe some of the surroundings have been tweaked also.

The 'Greedo Shoots First' scene has been retweaked to appear better. Now Han and Greedo fire at nearly the same time, and Han shifts his body over.

The dianoga in the Death Star Trash Compactor has been slightly enhanced with CGI. Giving the eyestalk more life by featuring a CGI blink.

The lightsabers in the Vader/Ben battle have been tweaked. Ben's no longer has the fizzling stick look in the scene where he's backing away from Vader. Plus Vader's lightsaber has been finally colored red as the blast doors are closing shutting him off from the Hanger Bay as the Falcon escapes.

ESB:

The so-called Luke 'girly scream' as he falls down the reactor shaft has again been removed from this version. I still say it was meant to be there, judging by Luke's open mouth. But since so many people complained about it, oh well.

When Vader goes to the bridge of his Command Ship at the end of the film, Admiral Piett and the officer behind him used to be flipped due to flipping the film so that the scene could occur on the other side of the bridge. Causing their uniforms and rank badges to be reversed. This has been corrected for this version finally.

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

Lazer Brain
09-22-2004, 01:48 PM
anh redux

i have noticee some dialog changes with c3op, it seams as there entering the escape pod c3po calls r2 a bucket of grease and then at the purchase of the droids scence owen tells c3po to shut up, c3po says "shutting up now,sir" there were more too.

later

JEDIpartner
09-22-2004, 01:51 PM
This has been addressed in the "Audio Problems" thread. Those lines have always been in the film.

Rocketboy
09-22-2004, 02:03 PM
Did they add a tiny bit of dialogue in A New Hope?
On the Death Star, right before the 2 Stormtroopers walk down the ramp of the Falcon, one says "There's no one here" or something to that effect. Was that there before? I don't remeber hearing it. I thought they just nodded and walked down.

El Chuxter
09-22-2004, 02:12 PM
Okay, since the changes have been mentioned in other threads a few times, how about this thread becomes....

Rate the changes!

Landspeeder: Much better than the SE. Still not 100% perfect, but much nicer.

Greedo shoots. . . at the same time: Ugh! On the first viewing, it was painfully obvious that Han simply teleports to his right and doesn't blink. Could they not have made it a little less clunky? Better than the last revision, but far from great.

Jabba: The still images looked like we'd get TPM Jabba. This is closer, but there's still a weird shimmer to him that looks a bit fake. Nice to see Han's hand doesn't pass through the new Jabba, but I kinda miss the "poke" he gives the big slug. And I was one of the few folks to like Han stepping on Jabba, though the goofy cartoon face was over the top. However, Jabba looking like he's about to punch Han into ESB is far better.

Boba Morrison: I have to admit, Temeura did an excellent job of not simply cloning (pun intended) his Jango voice, so it retains a bit of the gritty edge.

OLME McDiarmid Palpatine: Excellent change. The new lines don't have the oomph of the old ones, but seeing the proper Emperor makes up for it, and he looks much better than early shots suggested.

Final Celebration: Okay, it might be me, but it seems to go by more quickly than before, with Naboo being wedged in. And I think the shot of the Rebel pilots boogying with Ewoks was excised. But no matter. The enhanced color on Coruscant reveals Rodians in the crowd, and the cryptic "The Son of the Sun!" line is clear now. And (though I still find it a bit disrespectful), the Hayden scene is actually done rather well.

Rocketboy
09-22-2004, 02:32 PM
Landspeeder: Good job - didn't even notice!
Greedo shoots. . . at the same time: Looks the same to me - poopy.
Jabba: Better, but still looks bad.
Dianoga: Needless change, but well done.
Lightsabers: Finally(!), but Luke's lightsaber seems to change colors, from green to blue.
Boba: Nice - he is the same a s Jango. It only makes sense.
Palpatine: Good dialogue, terrible looking Palpy.
No more of Luke's scream: Thank the maker!
Vader's eyes and eyebrows: Nice, but I never would've noticed if it hadn't been pointed out.
Final Celebration: I dig it, even Hayden.

El Chuxter
09-22-2004, 03:16 PM
I forgot the dianoga! I can't believe that! I actually cheered when the "fixed" dianoga popped up. I always hated that stupid piece of pig terd, and now it looks cool!

:D

Devo
09-22-2004, 03:28 PM
changes I noticed, not mentioned above:

When Ben scares away the sandpeople in ANH theres a new sound effect.

Clive Revill is still credited as the voice of the emperor in ESB despite the change.

The SE shot of the Slave I pursuing the Falcon in ESB now has an AOTC engine noise.

My Ratings:

The new Jabba was an improvement on the old one. Whenever Hans hand passed in front of him its shadow can be seen on Jabba - nice attention to detail, makes it more believable. But whether this scene was ever necessary is arguable since the dialogue Han has with Greedo in the earlier scene is virtually identical.

The lightsabers in the duel were good but the duel remains remarkably poor. The most elaborate move, Ben's spin, comes early in the fight and is embarrassingly executed. And they rendered the usual excuse of 'but Ben was an old man' void by having Count Dooku carrying off complicated sword swings and somersaulting through the air.

Luke's lightsaber goes from obviously green to white with a subtle green tint. It seems they didn't fix the odd flickering it does and a wierd black glitch pops up at the base of the blade in one shot as it does in the original and SE versions. Then when he turns off the saber the shot still looks iffy.

Palpatine looks fine but I'm not sure why it was necessary to have him deliver the lines so slowly. The lines themselves are alright I suppose.

The redubbing of Boba fett was also alright though Temeura's pronunciation of the word 'dead' will take some getting used to.

The appearance of Naboo was OK and thankfully the Gungans aren't too audible.

Haydens head - as it is I don't like it. At first when he looks at Yoda and Ben he for some reason looks embarrassed. Then he uses the same 'rapist leer' that he used in AOTC and its just not appropriate either in AOTC or here in ROTJ. Sebastian Shaw smiled and gazed fondly at his son. Hayden looks like he's planning to kill Luke and then maybe invade Leias dreams and violate her. Badly done.

El Chuxter
09-22-2004, 03:35 PM
Haydens head - as it is I don't like it. At first when he looks at Yoda and Ben he for some reason looks embarrassed.

Of course he's embarassed. He's still a kid, and he's thinking, "Oh, crap, I killed this guy. Man, he's gonna be ticked! Man, how do I handle this?"

:D

Slicker
09-22-2004, 04:42 PM
Did they add a tiny bit of dialogue in A New Hope?
On the Death Star, right before the 2 Stormtroopers walk down the ramp of the Falcon, one says "There's no one here" or something to that effect. Was that there before? I don't remeber hearing it. I thought they just nodded and walked down.I'm pretty sure that they added that in because I don't remember hearing that before.

With the clarity of these you could watch them 5 times in a row and still see details that you never saw in the previous 749 times that you watched them. Kudos!

2-1B
09-23-2004, 12:09 AM
Well done, Devo and Chux. Very well done. :D

BanthaPoodoo
09-23-2004, 09:51 AM
Please for all that is good in this world, tell me the ugly black blob has been removed from the Emp's face.... if that has been changed, I can die a happy man.

Beast
09-23-2004, 11:30 AM
The 'Slugs' are still there, but they're harder to see in most shots. I don't think they could remove them that easily. It looks like someone painted them directly on the original prints to hide the little light on the inside of the hood. :)

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

Jek Porky 2002
09-23-2004, 02:43 PM
Also I fogot to mention, when the stormtrooper bangs his head in ANH you can clearly hear it!

Slicker
09-23-2004, 04:58 PM
And I thought that was just me hearing things. It sounds like someone hit a plastic pail with a wooden spoon. I think it's hilarious that instead of covering it up he's embracing it.

oldschool
09-24-2004, 07:53 AM
OK, I'm poor so I haven't got the DVDs yet, so I'm wondering if there is any rescoring of the music in A New Hope as was rumoured before it's release, such as the addition of the Imperial March...

ronhudy
09-24-2004, 10:49 AM
What's with the lightsaber colors?! When Ben first gives Luke his lightsaber, it's blue. As Luke is holding his lightsaber, just before Ben senses Alderaan being destroyed, the blade is plainly green...then when he goes back to his "exercises", it's blue again! And Obi-Wan's lightsaber changes from blue to purple 2 or 3 times during his confrontation with Darth...


??????????

El Chuxter
09-24-2004, 12:09 PM
OK, I'm poor so I haven't got the DVDs yet, so I'm wondering if there is any rescoring of the music in A New Hope as was rumoured before it's release, such as the addition of the Imperial March...

Haven't watched ANH, but I don't believe so. It's confirmed that Williams is rescoring parts of ANH (and possibly other films) because he let it slip in an interview, and it was confirmed elsewhere that new scenes for TPM were filmed concurrently with AOTC, which lends more credence to the rumor that the boxed set you know we'll get in 2006 or 2007 will be the Archival Editions (or whatever they end up getting named).

stillakid
09-24-2004, 12:56 PM
the boxed set you know we'll get in 2006 or 2007 will be the Archival Editions (or whatever they end up getting named).


SuperNifty*



*shout out to JediTricks :D

oldschool
09-24-2004, 02:34 PM
So, it seems that the lightsabers are still not right, seems like this should have been the easiest thing to fix, thought the same thing of the Special Edition. I wonder if any of the other flipped shots were fixed.


On second thought, maybe Luke and Bens sabers turning from blue to green and from blue to purple are a "deliberate creative decision" as an allusion to Qui-Gon and Mace Windu maybe?

I'm sure I've killed this thread now...

Mr. JabbaJohnL
09-25-2004, 10:42 AM
I saw the ANH DVD last night, here's my thoughts on the changes:
*Darth Vader's voice - it was much deeper, and less tinny. It was like the voice in ESB and ROTJ, which is great.
*Krayt Dragon call - I don't know why they changed it, but I like it.
*Landspeeder - it looks a lot better, I like when it kicks up the dust. C-3PO doesn't look fake anymore.
*Greedo vs. Han - probably the best change. It now looks like they shoot at the same time, and Han doesn't jump six feet to the right anymore.
*Jabba the Hutt - much better, but still not perfect. He looks like he should, but some of the movements still aren't great. I like the tail-stepping scene a lot better now.
*Lightsabers - why did they make Luke's green in one shot, then not even change it from white to blue? Oh well, at least Obi-Wan's and Vader's look much better.
*Extended hallway - I frankly couldn't tell a difference, but it looks good.
*Dianoga - I was expecting something more, but at least it looks a little bit better.
*Aurabesh Power sign - looks more natural, but they should've changed the numbers on Luke's binoculars too.
*Whack! - now the stormie hitting his head actually sounds loud, before I couldn't tell if it was that or another trooper turning on his comlink.
*Han's wrong turn - the stormtroopers don't look like a completely different scene anymore, I like it.
*Explosions - it looks like the exploding X-wings on the Death Star are brighter, or something.
I was blown away by the clarity of the picture! It was so cool. Now I have absolutely no reason th watch the VHSs.

Droid
09-25-2004, 11:29 AM
I do not understand why Luke's lightsaber on the Falcon in A New Hope was not fixed. First it is clearly green, then it goes to pure white. They fixed Ben and Vader's saber, but why not Luke's? I just don't get it.

Maybe I am crazy. I have not checked it against prior editions, but did they speed up Ben and Vader's lightsaber duel (Ben's turn seems quicker)? Also, did they extend it by either adding new shots or repeating shots more than once? To me the whole thing seems "faster, more intense." What does everyone else think?

Also, I noticed Hammerhead blinking in the cantina. I once again would have to dig out the old versions to check, but I'd be surprised if the old mask had any blinking capabilities. Was this added in '97 or now?

mrmiller
09-26-2004, 12:06 AM
It also seemed to me that the Dialog between Ben and Luke in Ben's Home had changed a bit.

I had been watching the Original releases and not the special editions, so I'm not sure what all was changed when, but this dialog just seemed a bit different. I guess I need to watch them both and compare, but what's the fun in that when i have you guys?

=MATT=

Mr. JabbaJohnL
09-26-2004, 01:53 PM
It also seemed to me that the Dialog between Ben and Luke in Ben's Home had changed a bit.

I had been watching the Original releases and not the special editions, so I'm not sure what all was changed when, but this dialog just seemed a bit different. I guess I need to watch them both and compare, but what's the fun in that when i have you guys?

=MATT=
No . . . the dialogue is exactly the same, unless I'm missing something?

Anyway, here's what I say about ESB:
*Emperor Palpatine - I like it. I thought it would look a lit worse than it did. It sure flickered a lot though. I also like the new dialogue, seems Vader ain't telling the whole truth.
*Boba's voice - for the most part, a good change. However I don't like how flamboyant he sounds when he says "As you wish!"
*Han's vest (or lack thereof) - this is definitely a change, and yes he wore the vest in the original version. I don't know, it looks a little fake now though, they should've just made it white and not added all those damn wrinkles.
*No scream - this one is better, dunno why he changed in the first place.
*Flipped Stardestroyer - honestly, if JJB hadn't pointed this out I wouldn't have noticed it. I don't like flipped scenes, but I didn't know about this one in the first place.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
09-27-2004, 06:01 PM
For ROTJ:
*The Rancor - holy crap! This actually looks good for once. I love this change, it even looks good when Malakili is crying in front of him.
*Ani unmasked - I like the no-eyebrows deal. Did he also look whiter and more sickly? He did to me.
*Naboo - pretty cool. The "Weesa free!" wasn't so bad.
*Anakin's ghost - I like it. I thought he wasn't going to look at Obi-Wan, judged on the footage I saw this summer, but he did, which is good. Now Anakin is whole again. :)

dr_evazan22
10-01-2004, 05:43 PM
I don't know if anyone has commented on this before...

Was watching ESB witht the commentary today. Usually I turn it off as the credits begin, but they were still talking so I let it run. Clive Revill is still credited as the Emperor, wiht no updates (that I saw) for Ian McDiarmid. There was a brief credit list for the SE.

Rocketboy
10-01-2004, 10:59 PM
They only list Sebastian as Anakin Skywalker. No listing for Hayden as the spirit.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
10-02-2004, 11:56 AM
I forgot to mention, but I really like the new sound for Boba's Slave I. Now it sounds cooler, like Jango's form AOTC.

There was some other change from one of them that I can't remember . . . it's annoying me, since I can't remember what it is.

Rocketboy
10-31-2004, 09:39 PM
DVDAnswers has a complete list of all the changes to the Trilogy. From the original to the Special Editions to the DVDs they are all there with pics and audio clips.

There were a lot of little things I never noticed on there.
For example: the added rope on Han's feet as he hangs off the skiff in Jedi.

Star Wars (http://www.dvdanswers.com/index.php?r=0&s=8&n=1&k=star+wars&c=28)
Empire (http://www.dvdanswers.com/index.php?r=0&s=8&n=1&k=star+wars&c=29)
Jedi (http://www.dvdanswers.com/index.php?r=0&s=8&n=1&k=star+wars&c=30)

Slicker
11-07-2004, 03:04 PM
It's been awhile since I've been on but who cares. Those links were really interesting. Inever knew about half of the changes in the movies. But I had a problem getting the Jedi changes most notably that the stupid page wouldn't open up.:D

Rocketboy
11-07-2004, 06:59 PM
Those links were really interesting. Inever knew about half of the changes in the movies. But I had a problem getting the Jedi changes most notably that the stupid page wouldn't open up.:DHere is an updated link to Jedi (http://www.dvdanswers.com/index.php?r=0&s=8&n=1&k=star+wars&c=7867673).

I just have a big problem with Lucas adding the rope to the sail barge! How dare he! It completely ruins the entire saga!
;)