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stillakid
03-05-2005, 08:55 AM
I didn't do any real research before dropping this thread in here so take it for what it's worth...

But I got to wondering about war songs. I don't know what was going on in WWI. WWII had the airwaves full of propaganda tunes. I think that musicians skipped Korea. Vietnam was the opposite of WWII as the protest song took over. The Cold War gave us a couple of tunes, like RUSSIANS (Sting). But the first Iraq war and Bush Jr.'s Busy Day haven't produced really anything. No songs of protest. No songs of support. Why is this? Has the music industry checked out of the political arena? Where are the modern U2-type's? Activists like Dylan or flag wavers like the Andrew's Sisters?

:confused:

Slicker
03-05-2005, 12:23 PM
Didn't the first Iraq war give us that song by Lee Greenwood or was that song just adopted for the war? I'm not sure but I remember being in 3rd grade when the war was happening and hearing that song everyday in class.

Darth Jax
03-05-2005, 12:23 PM
there were several songs done in support of the US concerning 9-11 and the subsequent military activities. Toby Keith comes to mind (courtesy of the red, white and blue). and didn't springsteen do an anti-involvement song?

Mr. JabbaJohnL
03-05-2005, 01:36 PM
Maybe people just got tired of the political retardation of our country in song form. I'd much rather hear real songs about anything but. However Green Day's American Idiot is good, unlike all the other USA junk out there.

sith_killer_99
03-05-2005, 04:26 PM
It seems to me we see more songs about supporting our soldiers rather than supporting or opposing military action. Again Toby Keith comes to mide, but there are indeed others. Mostly in the country music realm.

This allows musicians to show support for the military without endorsing any military action like Iraq and Afghanistan.

Many musicians have expressed opinions over the military conflicts without making new songs.

El Chuxter
03-05-2005, 05:18 PM
Bruce Springsteen has an album coming out soon, which is said to have at least one anti-Iraq song.

The Dixie Chicks recorded a fine track about the Vietnam War called "Travelling Soldier" around the time Bush started mentioning invading Iraq.

Mellencamp's new song "Walk Tall" is more a general anti-Bush song, but has a great anti-war line: "Be careful of those who kill in Jesus' name, 'cause He didn't kill at all."

Tom Morello has recorded several songs under the name Nightwatchman (and they sound more Dylan than Rage).

Morello also organized the Axis of Justice concerts, in which he and fellow heavy metal performers (along with Pete Yorn, who's cool but doesn't seem to fit in) fight the power.

Joan Osborne did a (disappointly tepid) version of "What's Going On" a couple of years back.

Steve Earle, Keb Mo, Kris Kristofferson, and Robert Cray have also done recent protest songs that I haven't heard.

Lenny Kravitz and Yoko Ono both did pretty bland songs at the time of the first Gulf War. (In the case of Yoko, I use the word "song" very loosely.)

Although they weren't geared toward any particular war (or were about the Vietnam War), Johnny Cash wrote and recorded anti-war songs up until his death. (If you ever decide to overlook your disdain for country, check out a track from American Recordings called "Drive On.")

That's what comes to mind at this point. I'm sure there are more. However, the fact that most radio stations (being owned by one of two conglomerates) won't play much anti-establishment music ("American Idiot" being an odd exception), they don't get heard.

And besides, you saw what happened to the Dixie Chicks. They'll never be played on country radio again. Not that that's any great loss, since country radio should be shot into the sun or something. :)

JediTricks
03-06-2005, 02:57 PM
It seems like the music industry has lost its way, become more about the "industry" aspect than the "artistic" one. There is no passion for anything real anymore except the pursuit of commercial success, and the public fuels this by continuing to support pre-fabricated artists like Britney Spears and Justin Timberlake, even the rap world has gone kinda corporate on us. Sure there is an underground, but the greedy music industry suits - the same ones who have gotten tech makers and governments alike to bend to their will despite a lack of constitutionality - drive the underground WAY underground so as not to lose a buck. This means that what you hear in the mainstream is more controlled than ever by people who don't want to offend, don't want to risk alienating any possible consumers, and don't care if the product suffers so long as they get $15 per CD that is purchased exclusively because of the 1 or 2 radio hits it features. Art appears to be dead and music is now about money - maybe that's an overly-pessimistic view of the music industry, but they brought it upon themselves. So why aren't there more songs about passionate opinions concerning world events? Because they don't sell since they're a threat to the fluff that the industry makes bank on.

Kidhuman
03-06-2005, 03:03 PM
How about War Pigs? Good "War" song

dr_evazan22
03-06-2005, 03:34 PM
U2's latest CD has a song titled Love and Peace or Else which directly references the Palestinian conflict.

Elsewhere in the CD are other references to some of the political work that Bono has been doing the past few years. He's been trying to get gov't's to forgive debt's that some starving African nations will never be able to repay, plus get more AIDS meds for them. He feels that Africa can become a breeding ground because of the extreme poverty and the fact that either thru war or disease there are thousands, if not millions of orphans. And not many adults to teach them. Instead the kids grow up with nothing, they know crime to survive, and resent countries (read US) that could've helped but didn't.

Sorry, didn't mean to get too political in the music thread. Check out Crumbs From Your Table from "... Atomic Bomb".

2-1B
03-09-2005, 12:21 PM
War Pigs, an all time classic, KH.

Chux, that Mellencamp lyric actually goes "He don't believe in killin' at all."

Mellencamp did "To Washington" back in 2003 and took some guff for it. Nice song.

JON9000
03-09-2005, 07:48 PM
I have had a hard time coming up with something that rhymes with "al Zaqwari" other than "I love Atari" or "I wanna go on safari" :stupid:

stillakid
03-09-2005, 11:24 PM
I have had a hard time coming up with something that rhymes with "al Zaqwari" other than "I love Atari" or "I wanna go on safari" :stupid:

How 'bout, "for Bush, the war is just another par....ty."

Mad Slanted Powers
03-17-2005, 11:11 PM
Yes, "War Pigs" was a good one, as well as "Hand of Doom" from the same album.

I just realized how funny it is that a band called War did a song called "Why Can't We Be Friends". Of course, I liked "Low Rider" and "Cisco Kid" much better. However, these are not the kind of War songs we are talking about.

On Sleater-Kinney's last album One Beat, they had a song about 9/11 called "Far Away". They also had a song called "Combat Rock". I'd not really paid attention to the lyrics but I was just reading them now and the following line could be the title of this thread:

"Where is the questioning where is the protest song?".

Maybe Rage Against the Machine needs to get back together.

El Chuxter
03-18-2005, 09:12 AM
Maybe Rage Against the Machine needs to get back together.

Not really. ;) Zach's solo stuff (at least what I've heard) sucks hard, but Morello has done some great stuff under the name Nightwatchman. (The only commercially-released tracks by him under that name are on Music That Inspired Fahrenheit 9-11 and Axis of Justice: Volume I.) And of course there's Audioslave, who have no problems questioning authority and rocking hard.

Let Zach stay in the quagmire he created.

figrin bran
04-07-2005, 01:56 AM
Wilco's "War on War" hasn't been mentioned yet.

darko666
04-09-2005, 11:41 PM
How about War Pigs? Good "War" song

how about "Battle Hymn" - Manowar

great war song \m/

Rocketboy
04-10-2005, 07:56 PM
"Sullivan" by Caroline Spine is one of my favorite war songs.

Slicker
04-11-2005, 02:21 AM
Well, if we're gonna move this into an all out best war songs thread I'd like to nominate "Sink the Bismarck" by Johnny Horton. Great, great war song.

CaptainSolo1138
04-11-2005, 01:28 PM
"Sullivan" by Caroline Spine is one of my favorite war songs.


Well, if we're gonna move this into an all out best war songs thread I'd like to nominate "Sink the Bismarck" by Johnny Horton. Great, great war song.
Hafta agree with both of those.

The new System of a Down single "B.Y.O.B. (Bring Your Own Bombs)" is very obviously about our current "war". Here's the lyrics for those interested.
http://www.lyred.com/lyrics/System+Of+A+Down/Mezmerize/B%7EY%7EO%7EB%7E+%28Bring+Your+Own+Bombs%29/

Rocketboy
04-11-2005, 05:19 PM
While I wouldn't consider it great (or even good) "Seven Nation Army" by the White Stripes was pretty popular a little while ago.

Mad Slanted Powers
04-11-2005, 06:32 PM
Well, if we're gonna move this into an all out best war songs thread I'd like to nominate "Sink the Bismarck" by Johnny Horton. Great, great war song.

He also did "Battle of New Orleans". My parents had an album called Johnny Horton On Stage if I remember the title correctly. Enjoyed listening to those songs.

I just noticed a Star Wars connection to "War Pigs". If you move the letter p, you get Warp IGs. That could be IG series droids travelling in hyperspace.

arctangent
04-12-2005, 08:34 AM
How about War Pigs? Good "War" song

when i went to see nine inch nails the support act, who were called the dresden dolls, did a kick-*** cover of war pigs. just a girl at a piano and a lunatic drummer but it was the most innovative cover of this particular song i have ever heard.

of course there are a couple of war songs by slayer: war ensemble and *clears throat* cheeeeeemmical warrrrrrrrfaiiiiiiiirrre. as tom would say. er shriek.

El Chuxter
06-02-2006, 11:17 AM
This is not a Caesar impersonation.

Has anyone else heard Neil Young's new album, Living With War? That's got to be the most brutal musical assault on Bush and the Iraq War yet.

JimJamBonds
06-02-2006, 02:23 PM
No I hadn't heard anything about it, when did it come out?

2-1B
06-02-2006, 08:15 PM
I don't like Neil Young. Not because he's anti-Bush, because he's anti-my auditory pleasure. That guy's voice annoys me more and more over the years.

Mad Slanted Powers
06-02-2006, 09:05 PM
There are several Neil Young songs that I really like, but a lot of it I don't really care for. I have Decade, a 2-CD best of that goes through about 1977 I think. My favorites on there would be "Mr. Soul" (A Buffalo Springfield song), "Cinnamon Girl", "Down By The River", "Southern Man", "Ohio" (with Crosby, Stills & Nash), "Old Man", "Heart Of Gold", and "The Needle And The Damage Done". I've only listened to the whole thing once or twice, so I couldn't tell you what many of the other songs even sound like.

I've not heard his new album, but if it is just a Bush bashing, I can probably pass on that one. I can still enjoy a song if it is from the other side of the political spectrum from me. Heck, Neil's "Rockin' in the Free World" had some subtle digs at the elder George Bush with the "1000 points of light" and "kinder, gentler machine gun hand" lines. That's a great song. Stuff like that is a bit more clever than "Let's Impeach The President".

JimJamBonds
06-03-2006, 09:30 AM
I don't like Neil Young. Not because he's anti-Bush, because he's anti-my auditory pleasure. That guy's voice annoys me more and more over the years.

How could you not like a guy that wears a hat that says "take this job and shove it??????????????????????????????"

Darth Otis
06-03-2006, 11:52 AM
I, also, don't like Neil Young so I'll probably never hear those songs.

For those that like their music a little more hard-edged check out Ministry's new album Rio Grande Blood.

The album is totally anti-Bush and the war in Iraq.
Personally, though, I think the songs could be anti-vegetarianism and this album would still kick major butt.

Al Jourgensen is a genius!

2-1B
06-03-2006, 11:55 AM
How could you not like a guy that wears a hat that says "take this job and shove it??????????????????????????????"

Because the voice he would read it in is so g'damned whiny ? lol

Mad Slanted Powers
06-03-2006, 02:38 PM
Because the voice he would read it in is so g'damned whiny ? lol
What do you think of J Mascis' voice? The first time I heard Dinosaur Jr, I thought it sounded a bit like a Neil Young tape being eaten up by the tape deck. I actually kind of like it though. He's made some good music. Don't know if he's done any war/protest songs though.

How about that song "Bombs Below" by Living Things? I kind of like that song. I was just looking up the lyrics and it appears to be commenting on the war. It has the lines "we're gonna win the war / that's what you kids are for / we salute you / where do all the dead boys go / no solutions just bombs below."

JimJamBonds
06-03-2006, 03:52 PM
Because the voice he would read it in is so g'damned whiny ? lol

That would be your own voice then since he has a hat on and you read it. :D

2-1B
06-03-2006, 04:06 PM
Haw? :confused: I'm pretty sure I clarified the voice "he would read it in" but thanks anyway, guy. lol

:crazed:

JEDIpartner
06-04-2006, 07:33 PM
Gee... how about "The War Song" by Culture Club?!!! :rolleyes:

War, war is stupid... and people are stupid... and love means nothing in some strange quarters...

:D

Mad Slanted Powers
06-04-2006, 08:18 PM
I just remembered an old George Carlin routine where he was a DJ for wonderful WINO radio. He introduces a protest song by Danny and the Demonstrators, "Don't Want No War":

Don't Want No War
Don't Want No War
Don't Want No War
.
Don't Want No Job Neither

As an aside to that, I remember sometime back in high school walking to the school bus in the morning. It was cold, and I didn't have my gloves, so I started thinking to myself "don't got no gloves, don't got no gloves, don't got no gloves...don't got no hands neither!"

UKWildcat
06-05-2006, 02:02 AM
What about "You Dropped A Bomb On Me" by The Gap Band?!?!?!;):Dlol:thumbsup:


MSP, The Needle and the Damage Done, by Young is a fantastic song. One of my favorites!