Does a dark jedi die on Dagobah?

[Bossk77]

The forthcomming answer comming in not much more than a short month. "hopefully" What is the cause of the dark pressence in the cave? Dead jedi or something completely different? Penny for your thoughts. I think either a jedi died there or something saturated with the dark side was buried there, allowing Yoda to hide.

[Slicker]

I always thought the cave sequence was totally made up by Yoda as a test for Luke. I thought that he used his force powers to stir up some of Luke's feelings and that Luke failed miserably in his test. But then again I'm one of those Jar Jar Binks fans.

[Bossk77]

The next step then, how did he manage to hide his aura then?

[Billiam86]

I always thought the cave sequence was totally made up by Yoda as a test for Luke. I thought that he used his force powers to stir up some of Luke's feelings and that Luke failed miserably in his test. But then again I'm one of those Jar Jar Binks fans.

I was thinking the same thing...minus the whole jar jar binks fan thing :)

[2-1B]

I'm a Jar Jar fan and I think Yoda is working some sort of test.

"Only what you take with you" is the key here. :)

[scruffziller]

Well, according to the EU only, that cave is actually a ship(if you look behind Luke when he walks in you can see a door way panel as the entrance of the cave) and it belonged to a Bothan Dark Jedi that died there 1000s of years ago.
But I am curious if GL will put his own version in the film. I don't know who else it could be except Dooku but there really isn't anyway he is making it there from what we know already.

[The 'Xir]

Yeah this is one aspect of the OT, that Lucas has failed miserably to develop or connect with the PT! I'm assuming since nothing will be done to explain this the explanation that Slicker provided I think will be the standard, and one that I've kinda always believed myself anyways!
Now hopefully, when our heros disband at the end, they'll drop Yoda off on Dagobah first before taking the twins to their respective OT planets, and then we'll atleast have some reasoning behind lukes line, "I don't know, there's something awfully familiar about this place." :neutral: It's not that hard! :rolleyes: But I'm sure if Lucas can find a way he'll even screw this up! :ermm:

[Jargo]

Given that Luke is all wired and fearful the presence is nothing more than a projection of his fears that he himself conjures up. Hence the fact the spectre of Vader has Luke's own face. Think of it as a mirror image. but reflecting the darkness within Luke. He's fighting his own fears. I think you have to go with that in the same way we have to go with midichlorians being living things inside the cells of everyone.

As for the ship thing. Well, it is possible the cave is the resting place of the tiny shuttle that Yoda uses to escape from Kashyyk. I hear that the scene of Yoda on Dagobah was edited down or cut from the movie but being such an inhospitable place it's a definite that the Tantive couldn't have made planet fall to drop yoda off so perhaps he does use the shuttle pod to get there. He knows he isn't leaving so just lets the thing get encrusted with roots and vines and mud. and over the years a sort of cave like grotto forms around it. I dunno, I'm just supposing.
However, Yoda does seem to concentrate really hard as Luke goes into the cave so perhaps the old froggy thing is doing some force meddling in there to create the bad feeling. Messing with Luke's mind in the same way that Palpatine does with Anakin only for a better purpose.

[MaquisWarrior]

On Dagobah, a dark secret there is. The Jedi, the youglings, Clones they are. Since Jedi cannot marry or mate out of wedlock, those with the Force power few they are. You Ben- Kenobi, are one, Anakin is your brother from a certain point of view. Palpatine is his father for a clone of his old masters he is.

Many clues there are through out the previous lore of before. The Jedi see Anakin's future could not, his midi-chlolrian count high it was. Anakin quickly adapted the ways of the Jedi and the Force as will his children. Therefore separated they must always be until the day the Sith are no more.



Refrences: Dark Empire; Heir to the Empire series; Episode 1; Episode 2

[scruffziller]

It is possible that perhaps the ship is Yoda's and he is fighting with a Dark Jedi as it lands and kills him or something?:confused:

[The 'Xir]

No! :dis:

Appears Luke never visits Dagobah either! :dis: :dis: :mad:

Only listened to the Audio CD's so far and haven't read the book yet!

[rust]

Dagobah could possibly be the final trial for the Jedi. Oppo Ranscisis said 'He must face the mirror.' That cave created a mirror image of Luke. Does it make sense now?

[Imperial Monarche]

If anyone bothers to listen to the commentary on ESB, Lucas puts the whole thing to bed about why the cave is even in the movie to begin with. It's a test of a Jedi. Every situation is created by the methods the Jedi approaches it. Luke took his weapon, so he experienced conflict. If he would have gone in there with his mind as his weapon, the situation may have turned out differently. I agree that the cave is a test for all Jedi. The scene in the second Clone Wars season where Qui-Gon takes little Anakin there furthermore expresses this. But, the reason why the cave is so special is really irrelevent, at least for the movies. There is no other part in the OT that gives the origin of the cave any other thought than the actual scene it's in. It's not a major part. What is major is the IMPORTANCE of the meaning behind the scene. In no way has Lucas failed to address the origin of the cave in the PT seeing how there is no question of origin in the OT. Just, certain fan-boys have made it a quest to know little details like the cave origin.

[The 'Xir]

In no way has Lucas failed to address the origin of the cave in the PT seeing how there is no question of origin in the OT. Just, certain fan-boys have made it a quest to know little details like the cave origin.

I would agree in reference to the cave, but I wouldn't say that about Luke's line, "I don't know, there's something familiar about this place'(referring to Dagobah). Here, unless finally revealed in the book/movie, Lucas has not addressed this at all, and failed miserably when it could have been explained so easily!